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Monday, February 27, 2012

Team Calvin: Question One

Three weeks ago, in response to the idea that we non-Calvinists were as prone to contortionism as I accused the Calvinists of being, I offered The Calvinist Challenge, in which I asked Team Calvin to produce the five most difficult questions they could devise in order to determine whether or not I would be forced to resort to similar contortions of Scripture in my responses.  Nine of the planet's finest Calvinist minds busily occupied themselves with concocting more than 30 questions, and after an intense series of debate during which charges of heresy were hurled back and forth and Markku narrowly escaped the fiery fate of Michael Servetus, they finally settled upon five of them. Here is the first question, followed by my response.
AA. Vox: Is this paragraph something you could write and agree with? If not please make it something you agree with, while editing, changing and deleting as few words as possible.

The God I worship is probably not aware of much of what is happening on earth today. You should not tell a child that God has a plan for her, because not only does He not know which husband will be right for her in twenty years, He doesn’t even know that she will be alive tomorrow. And it’s quite possible that if she does die, he will not be aware of it. If on the other hand she lives through an accident in which the car is totaled, thanking God for protecting her may be giving him credit for something he didn’t do. It is quite possible that my God knows less about your daughter than you do. To find out what is happening somewhere on earth, my God has to do research (or, if you like, “go and see”) to find out about it. My God most likely doesn’t have enough knowledge about me and my soul to know what I will do in a given circumstance.
No. The edited version that is consistent with my beliefs is as follows:

The God I worship is not necessarily aware of everything that is happening on Earth today. You should not tell a child that God has a specific plan made just for her, because not only is it possible that He does not know which husband she will choose in twenty years, He doesn’t necessarily know that she will be alive tomorrow. And it’s quite possible that if she does die, He will not be immediately aware of it. If, on the other hand, she lives through an accident in which the car is totaled, thanking God for protecting her may be giving Him credit for something He didn’t do or even intend. It is even possible that God knows less about your daughter's current activities than you do at the moment. To find out what is happening somewhere on Earth, God customarily investigates Himself or instructs others to find out about it and inform Him. However, due to God's knowledge of human nature and the human heart, He most likely has sufficient knowledge about me and my soul to know what I will do in any given circumstance.

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7 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous March 13, 2012 11:19 PM  

What happened to all the comments in all the threads?

Anonymous micah rehn November 04, 2012 10:21 PM  

Your God must not have the hairs of your head numbered, nor care/know about the sparrow when it falls.

Anonymous Anonymous January 28, 2013 3:33 PM  

Hence, your god is no God at all.

Blogger Chad Ressler February 20, 2013 1:22 PM  

Nine of the planet's finest Calvinist minds:

1) James White
2) Al Mohler
3) John MacArthur
4) R.C. Sproul
5) D.A. Carson
6) J.I. Packer
7) C. Sam Storms
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For the final two, I would add two current bloggers:

8) TurretinFan (turretinfan.blogspot.com
9) Jamin Hubner (realapologetics.org)

Were any of these people one of the 9? Just curious.

Anonymous MikeM May 23, 2013 1:27 AM  

If God were unaware of who would be alive tomorrow, how then did he choose those called out ones in Christ before the foundation of the cosmos? Eph. 1:4 My somewhat extended literal translation. Do you take the term "foundation of the cosmos" to be something other than prior to the creation of the sidereal universe?

I am assuming that you accept the Word of God as propositional truth. If you do not, then we have no basis for discussion.

Blogger jamsco June 13, 2013 5:07 PM  

Hi Vox Readers,

All of the comments (and there were many) resulting from this post were deleted when Vox switched to a new commenting system.

But if you'd like to read a (admittedly biased) summary of the discussion from one of the Calvinist arguers (me), please go here.

And if you'd like to see my summary of the more unique segment of Vox's theology, you can go here.

Anonymous FeorRef March 19, 2014 11:57 PM  

Wow, a real life Pelagian. Vox wouldn't stand a chance with James White.
Kind of wish I hadn't searched for "Calvin" on here (I came here because of the "Insect" thing hehehe). But I have a habit of doing that with christian sites to see what I'm getting into. I need a break from debating. Nice to see Calvinists are being represented though, especially ones that reference Dr. White and TurretinFan. Semper Reformanda!

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