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Monday, March 26, 2012

WND column

Hispanic kills black, whites to blame

The overwrought response of America’s blacks to the shooting death of one Trayvon Martin has been illuminating, indeed. What it demonstrates is that what passes for black political leadership has absolutely no intention of giving up the race card until the last individual of European descent has disappeared into the multiracial melting pot that is pushed so assiduously upon the American public by the mainstream media. And the media response to their usual histrionics indicates that these intentions are entirely irrelevant.

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Blogger SarahsDaughter March 26, 2012 5:04 AM  

In the event anyone feels like trolling a Social Justice/White Privilege site (Vrydenker and I have been banned from commenting on the site) here's a little fodder...
Un-Fair Campaign: "The tragedy about this story has nothing to do with the ethnicity of the shooter. It has everything to do with the fact that the victim was shot because he was black in a white neighborhood. The shooter was protecting everyone's white privilege."

UnFair Campaign

Blogger Lucas March 26, 2012 5:28 AM  

Cultural marxists promote racial division because the enlargement of their socialistic power depends on it.

After they gain control of everything, there won't be anymore race-based grieving.

Just ask China.

Anonymous Idle Spectator March 26, 2012 5:29 AM  

I really loved how they listed him as a "white hispanic."

You've got to be shitting me (Or on me?).

NASCAR is the only acceptable race card around these parts here, skeeter.

Anonymous Rantor March 26, 2012 6:10 AM  

Enjoyed the article, although you may be ten to fifteen years off on who can remember any hint of segregation. I realize that integration was a 1960's effort, but it took a long time.

My grandparents lived in Greenwood, Mississippi. The hospital had private rooms only, to prevent whites from having to share a room with blacks. As a small boy, I can remember a nurse scolding me for using the "wrong bathroom." There were no signs, you just had to know, or go where directed. The city also had some white's only establishments, including a downtown restaurant which was a "club" so that they could screen out any blacks. Public schools were integrated, but any white that could afford it sent their child to private, white's only, schools. In many of these cities, this type of segregation continued through at least the 1970s.

The community organizers are certainly doing all they can to polarize communities against each other. They are a part of the reason that deep divisions remain. Your editorial does a great job in laying out the state of play. I fear that short of the second coming, there is little hope that this divisiveness will ever end.

Whether Travon died due to an overzealous neighborhood watchman or he actually did something to provoke and lead to the shooting may never be revealed. It seems that only one living person knows the truth. Nevertheless the reverends and community organizers will go forth and spread hate and monger fear to help ensure that their community remains seperate.

Anonymous Anonymous March 26, 2012 6:46 AM  

I think eventually he'll be prosecuted. Mostly because he admitted that he was following Martin, who was unarmed and only walking on a street. What happened thereafter, which may not ever be exactly known, won't absolve him of profiling Marin. He probably won't be charged with murder, but he's going to get something.

Blogger mmaier2112 March 26, 2012 7:04 AM  

Sadly, I think Anon @ 646 is probably right.

If the homo-bridge-jumping-dude was found guilty, this White Hispanic will, too.

Anonymous Snoogins March 26, 2012 7:13 AM  

Don't be so sure. The defense has started to leak info because of the "journalstic" coverage.

The picture shown on TV? He was 13. Facebook picture? Shirt off, gangster pose.
Zimmerman? Nose was allegedly broken by Treyvon. Witness reports Treyvon had jumped Zimmerman, and was ontop of him pummeling away before the shooting.

Blogger MikeT March 26, 2012 7:22 AM  

The initial reports made it sound like Martin might actually have had reason to believe he was being stalked.

Anonymous Anonymous March 26, 2012 7:30 AM  

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/black-panther-rage-10g-capture-trayvon-killer-article-1.1050370

http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2011/08/beat-whitey-night-goes-viral-black.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2110078/Boy-13-doused-gasoline-set-alight-racially-motivated-attack-Kansas-City.html

Anonymous HongKongCharlie March 26, 2012 7:33 AM  

I'm seeing a gangsta wannabe and a cop wannabe. The gangsta wanna be would still be alive if the cop wannabe had followed the advice of the 911 dispatcher.

Should he be charged with something? My gut feeling is yes.

HKC

Anonymous VryeDenker March 26, 2012 7:51 AM  

He should be charged with the illegal possession of balls and having the audacity to defend himself.

Anonymous VD March 26, 2012 8:07 AM  

Should he be charged with something? My gut feeling is yes.

With what? Making you feel bad? The gangsta wannabe would be alive if he simply stayed in his own neighborhood. He didn't have to be there and he certainly didn't have to attack Zimmerman.

Zimmerman did nothing wrong. The only reason there was a neighborhood watch was because the police were failing to provide security for the neighborhood. And the police and the prosecutor both know Zimmerman didn't do anything wrong, that's why they didn't even bother to arrest him. If it weren't for the Africans being stirred up by the usual race-baiters thinking they could make some hay from a rare incidence of white-on-black crime, this would be nothing.

Anonymous Papapete March 26, 2012 8:18 AM  

Did Zimmerman do something stupid? A highly qualified maybe. Did he provoke an attack? Highly unlikely. Was he legally justified? Almost certainly.

Anonymous zen0 March 26, 2012 8:20 AM  

Just one more reason to be hatin on the Miami Heat.

Anonymous FrankNorman March 26, 2012 8:28 AM  

Vox, if the "race-baiters" got their obvious wish and things went to a full-scale race war, how would that turn out for them?

I suspect they have not really thought things out.

Anonymous daddynichol March 26, 2012 8:35 AM  

Perhaps Detroit, Chicago, East St. Louis, LA, Miami and a few more vibrant communities will burn to the ground this summer. Urban renewal at its finest!

Anonymous Cnair March 26, 2012 8:41 AM  

Vox said The gangsta wannabe would be alive if he simply stayed in his own neighborhood.

Good point, he definitley had no right visiting his father. Little thug...

Blogger JACIII March 26, 2012 8:41 AM  

I'm all for that daddy nichol, except for the refuge part.

Anonymous Zartan March 26, 2012 8:45 AM  

Yeah, because as a teenager I never told fibs to my parents like "I'm going to the store to buy some skittles"

Seventeen. Night. Skittles. I'm not buying it.

Anonymous Anonymous March 26, 2012 8:56 AM  

Ninja say what?

Anonymous VD March 26, 2012 8:56 AM  

Good point, he definitley had no right visiting his father. Little thug...

Did he live in the neighborhood or not, Cnair? And he obviously was a little thug or he wouldn't have attacked a neighborhood watchman. I've encountered neighborhood watchmen before, and you know, strangely enough, I've never once felt the need to attack one.

Of course, I'm not a little thug.

Blogger Lucas March 26, 2012 9:03 AM  

VD,
If it weren't for the Africans being stirred up by the usual race-baiters


The "Africans"? Thankfully I was alone when I read that.

Anonymous Oh, Snap! March 26, 2012 9:10 AM  

Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery.

--Malcolm X

Blogger LP 999/Linda March 26, 2012 9:12 AM  

Where is La RAZA for GZ? Nowhere. Black panthers, check. Sharpton, Louis and Jackson, all present in full moron mode!

Another attack on carry and conceal. Another story to rile up the coming race war during an election year. No logical coverage towards what the Castle law or stand your ground means, all emo-media BS.

No national attention for the scores killed in Chicagoland's gang clusterf-ck, SWAT team, drone antics - no national attention.

Complete silence.

Yet we are to believe this one case diverts the country's attention from MASS unemployment for whites, latinos and blacks.

Anonymous mjb March 26, 2012 9:13 AM  

Is this the first time a Hispanic killed a black kid and got away with it?

I've confronted some of my friends on this. Many of them sporting hoodies in protest of their perceived injustice on Trayvon. When I point out that Zimmerman is in fact not white, a few of them even got angry at me. When I show the photo of Zimmerman, they then typically turn it into an argument about justice.

We're going to have more race riots, I believe.

Blogger LP 999/Linda March 26, 2012 9:15 AM  

If our country was in such a state of great prosperity and economic recovery would any of this happen?

Anonymous JP (real one) March 26, 2012 9:15 AM  

If this happened in the Southwest, I wonder if any of those militant Latino groups would show up and back Zimmerman. That might chase the Panthers away....

Blogger LP 999/Linda March 26, 2012 9:16 AM  

It is rumor that GZ is half Latino, half Jewish, anyone else hear this?

Anonymous Dr. T March 26, 2012 9:17 AM  

Juts nitpicking: The guy was not visiting his father. Both he and his father were visiting his father's fiancee. He was probably not well known in the community.

On a side note: I remember a posting in this forum about the mechanisms of White Flight: One respectable black moves into the neighborhood, friends and relatives visit, eventually move in, some of which might be less respectable, ...

Anonymous Josh March 26, 2012 9:19 AM  

if zimmermann had been an actual cop, no doubt this would have been an "nwa was right" post by vox. because even the police thought zimmermann was too messed up to be cop, he's now a vigilante hero.

Anonymous Josh March 26, 2012 9:21 AM  

he's latino and was adopted by a jewish couple

Anonymous mjb March 26, 2012 9:23 AM  

Josh,

You might be right, actually. I'm all for bringing justice to Zimmerman if he was out of place in shooting the kid. I just want everyone to have all the facts. It wasn't a case of a white man freaking over a black guy.

If Zimmerman is found not guilty, I'll be watching for riots. Even if Zimmerman is proven innocent, certain aspects of the black community will not care, or believe it.

Anonymous Josh March 26, 2012 9:25 AM  

zimmerman is probably going to be killed by a black panther before he ever sees a trial

Anonymous Manager at Best Buy March 26, 2012 9:30 AM  

Damn. There go all my plasma TV's.

Anonymous JP (real one) March 26, 2012 9:33 AM  

On second thought, since Zimmerman is only described generically as "Hispanic," he may not get support from any community.

If he were Cuban or Mexican, we might be seeing counter-protestors, though...

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 9:37 AM  

Zimmerman! Neighborhood Watchman! And if you could just show me one Neighborhood Watch program that trains its people to stalk and confront suspects directly... that would be awesome.

Also...

Since when do I have to live in a neighborhood to walk there?


The aggressor is not the first person to resort to violence. The aggressor is the one who makes the violence necessary. So before we go saying who "jumped" who... we should think real hard about what we're suggesting.

If I'm walking around alone at night and I notice some punk is following me... its gonna send up red flags. So yeah... I would be considering a pre-emptive strike myself.

and lets not forget the other part of the new witness' story that Zimmerman was shoving Trayvon (what a stupid F'ing name) into the dirt after he shot him.

Look I don't think criminal charges would stand up... but that doesn't mean Zimmerman is anything but a scumbag... and in civil court there is no doubt at all that Zimmerman would get totally wreck. Deservedly so.

Zimmerman acted stupidly... and now some excellent gun laws are being threatened because of his stupidity.

Piss on him.

Anonymous VD March 26, 2012 9:41 AM  

if zimmermann had been an actual cop, no doubt this would have been an "nwa was right" post by vox. because even the police thought zimmermann was too messed up to be cop, he's now a vigilante hero.

No, even I wouldn't object to a cop shooting someone who attacked him and had him down.

zimmerman is probably going to be killed by a black panther before he ever sees a trial

That would certainly prove that Africans aren't incapable of civilized society. Please. The New Black Panthers aren't any more serious about that than Al Sharpton is about whatever he's babbling about. It's just fund-raising rhetoric intended for media consumption. Every sensible black is terrified of a race war.

Anonymous Josh March 26, 2012 9:45 AM  

No, even I wouldn't object to a cop shooting someone who attacked him and had him down.

You wouldn't be questioning the official story and the police report?

Anonymous VD March 26, 2012 9:53 AM  

You wouldn't be questioning the official story and the police report?

Not if it was consistent with what the witnesses said as well as the video cameras. It's when the official story and police report are contradicted by the witnesses and the cameras all miraculously stop functioning and the film disappears that I question it.

In case you haven't noticed, I don't question every single police shooting. I do, however, question those wherein there is quite obviously something fishy. And in this case, all of the fishy behavior is clearly on the part of the innocent St. Trayvon crowd.

Zimmerman acted stupidly... and now some excellent gun laws are being threatened because of his stupidity.

It was always going to be something. This is far more defensible than any number of potential incidents, in fact, the usual suspects never would have chosen it if they hadn't erroneously believed Zimmerman was white when they went about blowing up the media profile. I don't think Zimmerman's behavior was optimal, but at the end of the day, he was a decent guy doing his best to protect his neighborhood from crime. Like it or not, that's a heroic thing to do.

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 9:54 AM  

"No, even I wouldn't object to a cop shooting someone who attacked him and had him down."

You keep phrasing things like Zimmerman was just walking down the street and got jumped.

Zimmerman was the one doing the stalking. He went looking for a fight and found it. Zimmerman created this whole situation.

Put yourself in a bad neighborhood at night... walking alone. You see some dude skulking around behind you acting all froggy. Situational awareness kicks in and you start getting froggy yourself.

Again... you are justified in shooting someone during a fight.

That doesn't mean its ok to go around starting fights so you can kill people.

Anonymous Stingray March 26, 2012 9:56 AM  

Every sensible black is terrified of a race war.

I am not so sure the percentage of sensible blacks outweighs that of insensible blacks any longer

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 9:57 AM  

"I don't think Zimmerman's behavior was optimal, but at the end of the day, he was a decent guy doing his best to protect his neighborhood from crime. Like it or not, that's a heroic thing to do."

A decent guy? Who are you?

1) No one that wants to be a cop is a "decent guy". People that want to be cops are either bullies, or were bullied and now want their turn.

2) It takes a special kind of psycho to be mentally un-fit for police work in today's day... especially when one is a sacred minority.

He's not a decent guy. He's an deranged idiot that was superficially appearing to do what decent guys do.

Anonymous Josh March 26, 2012 10:00 AM  

he was a decent guy doing his best to protect his neighborhood from crime. Like it or not, that's a heroic thing to do.

bitch please. who calls 911 46 times in a year, especially to report windows left open? dude wanted to be a cop, but since he couldn't, I guess he decided to be an informant.

Anonymous CJ March 26, 2012 10:04 AM  

Vox,

"Did he live in the neighborhood or not, Cnair?"

No he did not. What's the point of bringing this up? Is it open season on people from out of the neighborhood?

"And he obviously was a little thug or he wouldn't have attacked a neighborhood watchman."

How do you know who attacked whom? You have previously stated that you have been up to your elbows in another person's blood but have never started a fight. Would any person you've overpowered have been justified in shooting you after losing the fights that they started?

Anonymous Stilicho March 26, 2012 10:05 AM  

2) It takes a special kind of psycho to be mentally un-fit for police work in today's day... especially when one is a sacred minority.

Or someone who scored too high on the entrance exam...

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 10:09 AM  

So Zimmerman (douchebag) calls 911 and says Trayvon (stupid name) is walking slowly.. "looks drugged" and is "looking at people's houses".

Of course... toxicology was clean on Trayvon... and I'm just thinking here... what else do you look at when you are walking through a neighborhood?

Sensibly... the 911 operator tells Zimmerman (douchebag) to stand down. This pisses Zimmerman off and he complains that "these assholes always get away".

Who? The non-drugged people walking back from the store after a skittles run?

Zimmerman (douchebag) deserved to get his ass kicked.

Anonymous Anonymous March 26, 2012 10:10 AM  

That would certainly prove that Africans aren't incapable of civilized society.

Yeah, cause we're still waiting for proof. How many years until we give up waiting for the African Fairy?

Every sensible black is terrified of a race war.

Yup, both of them.

Anonymous CJ March 26, 2012 10:10 AM  

The elbows-deep-in-blood thing is likely an erroneous conflation of a few different posts. But my point still stands. Would anyone you've ever beaten be justified in shooting you after losing a fight they started?

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 10:11 AM  

But hey... Zimmerman got arrested in 05 for attacking a cop.

So he can't be all bad.

Anonymous guest March 26, 2012 10:25 AM  

"Since when do I have to live in a neighborhood to walk there?"

When there is a "Great Recession". Police services during a "recession" contract in protection only around the high value milk cows ie... upper income taxpayers and if its really bad contracts further still to only include the banksters and politicians. Hat tip: Chodorov.

Anonymous alexamenos March 26, 2012 10:32 AM  

Anybody know anything about the neighborhood? Does it lean more white or more hispanic? How bad is the crime there?

The context is relevant....I think 'neighborhood watch' and I think about my old man sitting on the front porch looking across his perfectly manicured lawn at his neighbor's perfectly manicured lawn. If a black person were to ever drive through the neighborhood it'd be a historical event, so I don't know how he might respond. A CWL doesn't really come into play in their neighborhood watch.

I'm guessing Zimmerman is in a very different neighboorhood. I'm pretty sympathetic to folks having a desire to carve out a halfway decent neighborhood for them and theirs and I figure when they're real close to the frontlines they're going to have to be extra vigilant, and all that this entails.

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 10:36 AM  

weird... see just Saturday I was walking around a lower middle class neighborhood that I didn't live in... and I was even wearing a hoodie.

Its a miracle someone didn't jump out and shoot me.

of course I didn't have any skittles on me so I probably didn't look to scary.

Anonymous VryeDenker March 26, 2012 10:37 AM  

Josh:"bitch please. who calls 911 46 times in a year, especially to report windows left open? dude wanted to be a cop, but since he couldn't, I guess he decided to be an informant."

Dude, that's exactly what a neighbourhood watch is supposed to do.

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 10:41 AM  

"Dude, that's exactly what a neighbourhood watch is supposed to do."

Yes. And ya know what they are NOT supposed to do? Go around stalking people at night because they happen to be "walking slow and looking at houses".

Again... Zimmerman has a nice little history of violence including an attack on a cop and domestic violence.

We're not talking about your do-gooder busy body neighbor trying to do everyone a favor here.

Anonymous alexamenos March 26, 2012 10:45 AM  

Obviously nate is an anti-semite.

Anonymous rienzi March 26, 2012 10:47 AM  

Personally, I could care less whether the angels are on Martin's,or Zimmerman's side.

What does concern me is that my,almost completely white, gated community, is, unfortunately, only a few miles from a very vibrant area.

What I do want to see running through the tiny, little minds of the vibrant, honor student, hoody youths, who covet my stuff, is the thought that, if they so much set foot within the gates, some raciss honky might cap their ass on sight. Thank you Mr. Zimmerman.

They stay in their 'hood, I stay in mine, unicorns and rainbows for all.

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 10:48 AM  

"Obviously nate is an anti-semite."

Well played sir.

Anonymous guest March 26, 2012 10:52 AM  

"Again... Zimmerman has a nice little history of violence including an attack on a cop and domestic violence."

The thing is Nate the lines between the badge gang and what Zimmerman did are very fine in this economy thus the reluctance of the authorities to prosecute. The cops are nothing more than rent-a-cops for their wealthy clientele at this point. Zimmerman had the sanction of the community (Neighborhood Watch) and though he wasn't paid he was probably getting perks in other ways from the community. The only thing Zimmerman was missing was a uniform with a shiny badge.

Anonymous The other skeptic March 26, 2012 10:55 AM  

FrankNorman said on March 26, 2012 8:28 AM

Vox, if the "race-baiters" got their obvious wish and things went to a full-scale race war, how would that turn out for them?

I suspect they have not really thought things out.


They are probably only looking for a nice little race riot like those in LA and earlier, which were quite useful for the race hustlers ...

It remains to be seen whether the rest in Florida are so brow beaten by the media and the race hustlers that they won't fight back.

Anonymous the abe March 26, 2012 11:04 AM  

Ah, one of the blissful benefits of an off-shore's locale is that I've been very blissfully ignorant of this crap until the last few days.

It's stories like these, moreso than tales of political, financial corruption that stir contempt and indifference to the fate of the our civilization. Banksters and career politicians at least have boilerplate sophistry, a bought & paid-for media, and legalese to veil their iniquity. Hoary canards like make wrestling storylines seemed layered and nuanced. A society that inculcates and fosters the kind of stupidity it takes to make this story relevant is one that shows little promise for surviving.

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 11:07 AM  

"The thing is Nate the lines between the badge gang and what Zimmerman did are very fine in this economy thus the reluctance of the authorities to prosecute. The cops are nothing more than rent-a-cops for their wealthy clientele at this point. Zimmerman had the sanction of the community (Neighborhood Watch) and though he wasn't paid he was probably getting perks in other ways from the community. The only thing Zimmerman was missing was a uniform with a shiny badge."

I agree. That's why I consider the position Josh and I to have to be the rational one. We're anti-cop. Period. Zimmerman = cop.

Anonymous WinstonWebb March 26, 2012 11:09 AM  

It's not often that I believe that Vox's logical conclusions are incorrect. Actually, there not really bad in this case. But, based only on the information that we have right now, Nate's breakdown of circumstances and conclusions seem much more plausible to me.

I wish I had something more material to add, but I'm just waiting to see how this all plays out.

Anonymous WinstonWebb March 26, 2012 11:10 AM  

Damn.

there = they're

Anonymous The other skeptic March 26, 2012 11:11 AM  

VD did not seem to say this (explicitly) in his article, so maybe he does not believe it, but it seems to me that this is really just another move in the battle between the two white groups he mentions. "Progressive" whites use diversity to harass the other whites.

Our goal should be to drive the consequences of some of that diversity back on them. Let those being exploited know that they are being used and that the "progressives" surely have little use for the diverse when the diverse achieve the goals of the "progressives".

Anonymous guest March 26, 2012 11:17 AM  

"I agree. That's why I consider the position Josh and I to have to be the rational one. We're anti-cop. Period. Zimmerman = cop.

Zimmerman used excessive/deadly force that was completely unnecessary for the situation and attack level but cops get away with doing that on a macro community level too often. The cops like Neighborhood Watch as it makes their jobs of "servicing" and protecting easier.

Anonymous DonReynolds March 26, 2012 11:18 AM  

Over StPatrick's day weekend, fifty blacks were shot in Chicago....ten of them died and 40 survived. (The youngest killed was 1 year old and the youngest to survive was about 6 years old.) Sadly, none of the shooters called 911 or waited until the police arrived to help sort out blame or accurately determine the race of the shooter. This is normal and ordinary in American cities, large and small, yet none of the race hustlers (or their media enablers) ever raise even one peep about the slaughter of blacks that goes on every day.

After decades of guilt projection over lynchings (North and South) of blacks in this country, now they want to do the same thing. The New Black Panther Party has put a cash reward on the life of Zimmerman and thousands march in the street to compel his arrest on the charge of murder. (Zimmerman comes from a mixed tribe, mostly hispanic, but with close relatives who are black.) The police arrived on the scene before the blood was dry, interviewed witnesses, and found that the physical evidence was consistent with the story given by the shooter. Even though recent Facebook photos of Trayvon Martin were available on the internet, the media widely distributed his "little boy" photos. These are very different from the gangsta pix, complete with gold grill teeth, flashing gangland signs, that I have seen.

Of the tens of thousands of deliberate shootings in this country every year, mostly by determined criminals, some by police, and even fewer by citizens in self defense, the race hustlers pulled this one from the fishbowl as the "racial outrage" of the month. Like Jena 6, Duke lacrosse team, and Twanna Brawley, it should sell a lot of t-shirts, bumperstickers and posterboard.

Anonymous ScottA March 26, 2012 11:21 AM  

He didn't make 46 calls in one year. It was over 7 years. If Trayvon was wearing Khakis (that fit) and brooks brothers, no one would have called the police. Hoodies and baggy pants make you look like a criminal no matter what your race is. I'd even suggest black people wear hoodies and baggy pants so they do look like criminals for street cred and then they can cry racist when people notice it. If I'm walking down the street and five guys with hoodies are doing their pimp walk, I'm going to avoid them. If they all look like Carlton Banks, my guard isn't going to go up.

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 11:33 AM  

" If they all look like Carlton Banks, my guard isn't going to go up."

What does your guard do when you're walking down the street and you notice some guy following you?

Anonymous DonReynolds March 26, 2012 11:36 AM  

Nate....."weird... see just Saturday I was walking around a lower middle class neighborhood that I didn't live in... and I was even wearing a hoodie.

Its a miracle someone didn't jump out and shoot me.

of course I didn't have any skittles on me so I probably didn't look to (sic) scary."

Don't give up, Nate! Keep trying. We all hope you succeed.

Perhaps if you stop your car in a black neighborhood at night and (wearing a nice suit, white dress shirt and tie) you leave your car and walk around the neighborhood? If they don't think you are a cop, maybe an "unarmed black kid" will discuss the latest political events with you and only charge you a wallet and a watch. Maybe they will only pour gasoline on you and set it afire. Remember, they are too poor to afford firearms.

If you are going to wear a hoodie, make sure you wear your Air Jordans, so they will think you have something to take.

I will eat your Skittles while you are gone.

Anonymous Todd March 26, 2012 11:38 AM  

I was talking to my ardent liberal feminist friend about this case over a few drinks. I told her it probably would blow it in Obama's face like that "other learning experience". I make a comment about Jesse Jackson and the other muck rackers not waiting for the facts to come out and then we get into an argument about slavery and how blacks are disadvantaged and we need to help them.

Long story short, I get her flustered and she blurts out "but we have to help them because they are genetically inferior" ... the learning experience was all hers because right then and there she knew that she was the true racist and I made sure she knew it.

She tried to retreat with some comment by Bill Maher but I talked over her by saying "ya know Bill looks like a Ferengi from one of those Star Trek series, always drooling over himself and especially for the shiksas".

Anonymous Josh March 26, 2012 11:40 AM  

I didn't know Geraldo Rivera read vp...

Anonymous Gapeseed March 26, 2012 11:41 AM  

Vox - you seem to posit future conflict between whites and Asians. Could you explain that point a bit more? I would think that whites and Asians would be natural allies against the affirmative action establishment.

Anonymous DonReynolds March 26, 2012 11:42 AM  

" If they all look like Carlton Banks, my guard isn't going to go up."

Nate ...."What does your guard do when you're walking down the street and you notice some guy following you?"

Fella....all sidewalks are bi-directional. Everyone walking on the same street is either "following you" or walking toward you! Which is worse?

I suspect you believe it has to do with you and not that they have someplace to go.

Anonymous Anonymous March 26, 2012 11:45 AM  

Zimmerman started walking back to his truck when the 911 dispatcher suggested he stop following. If you listen to the 911 call his breathing slows down at that point. He also says that he can't see the guy anymore. So he goes back to his truck and Trayvon, who ran ahead to break contact, goes back and ambushes Zimmerman. The second 911 caller talks of one guy standing on top of another and the guy on the ground yelling for help. Trayvor's dad said the voice yelling for help wasn't his son. Zimmerman is found by the police with his nose bleeding, bleeding from the back of his head(!) and the back of his shirt wet with grass clippings. The second 911 caller describes the person being shot as the one who was on top of the other guy.
So Nate, when you say he should have gone back when the police told him to, he in fact did.
The only argument you can make against Zimmerman is that he shouldn't have been active in the neighborhood watch, and he should never have left his truck.

Slowpoke

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 26, 2012 11:47 AM  

The Holy Martyr St. Trayvon was apparently on a 10-day suspension from the local publick edumacation establishment for attacking a bus driver, which was no doubt just part of his tender peace-loving nature. It looks increasingly like a case of gangsta-wannabe meets mestizo badge-gang wannabe. White racism is to blame of course.

Anonymous Clay March 26, 2012 11:57 AM  

I was wondering when the Trayvon zit would pop over here.

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 26, 2012 11:59 AM  

Meanwhile, to further demonstrate the nature of the Ministry of Truth's agit-prop campaign over this case (whose ultimate purpose is to overturn 'stand-your-ground' and 'castle-doctrine' self-defense protections), Auster has contrasted the photos commonly used by the usual suspects (of a pre-teen Marton and a 21-year old Zimmerman) with more recent photos of each. Interesting to see how many of folks here - some of whom should know better - have fallen for the agit-prop campaign.

Anonymous Anonymous March 26, 2012 12:02 PM  

Everyone should read this: Trayvon Martin FAQ.

Anonymous Peter March 26, 2012 12:05 PM  

This "I'm (he's) not a racist" , "he's not really white" pleading won't get us anywhere. He's both because they want him to be and that's how the story will be played. We're all under attack. Today we're all Zimmerman.

Anonymous LES March 26, 2012 12:08 PM  

Letter to the Editor, Eugene, Oregon Register Guard, March 24, 2012

I was appalled to find in the March 16 newspaper yet another front-page story about a black criminal (“Killer gets life sentence”). That, after the March 15 front-page article about three black people sentenced for pimping. I’m tired of seeing people of color portrayed in the news almost exclusively as athletes, entertainers and criminals.

The article about the killer was accompanied by a sweet story about (white) Junction City residents preparing for the weekend Daffodil Drive Festival, and a story about a (white) contractor struggling with the effects of the economic downturn. Section B had a story about a (Latino) man accused of hit-and-run assault next to a story about charity donations accompanied by photos of smiling (white) women.

Where are those same sweet stories about our black, Latino, Asian, Arab and Native American neighbors — teachers, workers, business people, parents and students of color who help make our community a better place to live?

I had little support for making friends with people of color when I was young. I’m thankful my life is now enriched by friendships with many brilliant, dignified and courageous women and men who deal daily with the ongoing legacy of racism, including incredibly inaccurate stereotypes about intelligence, trustworthiness, morality, family life, etc., that result in unfair and demeaning treatment at work, in school, and in nearly every public venue. As the only major newspaper in Eugene-Springfield, The Register-Guard can help by showing the rich diversity and humanity of all sectors of our community.

CAMERON JEANNE HUBBE
Eugene

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 12:10 PM  

"Fella....all sidewalks are bi-directional. Everyone walking on the same street is either "following you" or walking toward you! Which is worse?

I suspect you believe it has to do with you and not that they have someplace to go."

Reading comprehension fail.

Zimmerman called 911. Listen to the call. He clearly WAS following Trayvon. There is every reason in the world to conclude that Trayvon felt like he was being stalked... because Zimmerman all but announced his intentions to stalk him.

Its sad to see people here just blindly falling into one side or the other without putting any thought into it at all.

Zimmerman created this situation... not Trayvon.

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 26, 2012 12:17 PM  

Meanwhile, back in the hinterlands of Oceania, here's a story that will not be getting any coverage. The negroid perps of the crime will not be charged with a hate crime, naturally, 'cause only crackahs can be raciss. Just ask Eric "My People" Holder.

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 12:18 PM  

Also... we have a witness that says she heard Zimmerman confront Trayvon... which makes Zimmerman the aggressor.

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 12:20 PM  

"So Nate, when you say he should have gone back when the police told him to, he in fact did. "

Pick a name like a grown up then we'll continue this.

Anonymous IanB March 26, 2012 12:21 PM  

Nate: Isn't it the job of a neighborhood watchman to take on situations so that other members of the community don't need to?
To say that he created the situation because he followed a suspicious character (who evidently was worth following) is silly, it's his job to create those situations so that they don't materialize with someone less prepared.
He saw a suspicious character, he decided to act in order to protect his neighborhood, and he was obviously justified in suspecting Trayvon to be a danger.

Anonymous DonReynolds March 26, 2012 12:29 PM  

Nate, if you believe people walking behind you are "following you", perhaps you are thinking about it too much. They may be more worried about you than you are about them. (That is my normal take on people walking in the same direction.....even though they are behind me!)

More disturbing is your steady insistence that it is OK to circle back and ambush those you believe were following you earlier....and it is their fault that you feel threatened...and no matter how much you beat them, it would be completely unsporting (even for a person almost a foot shorter than yourself) to pull out a pistol and shoot you to prevent further beating. How much of a beating would justify use of a concealed firearm to stop the attack? A broken nose? Injuries to the back of the head? Maybe some ordinary foot stomping, when the future shooter is on his back?

I realize it would actually be different to be followed by a Neighborhood Watchman of any race in this country. They are rare. More likely, if I were actually followed, it would be one of the local punks looking for some easy cash, or a panhandler....but in most cases, it is just another ordinary person walking somewhere, not "following" anyboody.

Anonymous CJ March 26, 2012 12:32 PM  

"To say that he created the situation because he followed a suspicious character (who evidently was worth following) is silly, it's his job to create those situations so that they don't materialize with someone less prepared."

No, it was not his job. The cops told him to stop following him. The neighborhood watch manual says not to confront or try to apprehend people. His job was done when he called the cops.

Anonymous JP (real one) March 26, 2012 12:36 PM  

As expected, Oh-Bomb-Ya is using this as an excuse to worsen race relations. "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon." Really? That's all you can say. You were edumucated as a constitutional "scholar" and you'd rather stir the pot than tell people to wait for more facts and due process of the law?

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 26, 2012 12:36 PM  

There is also a witness who states St. Trayvon the Holy Martyr was slamming Zimmerman's head on a concrete sidewalk before being dispatched to his eternal repose, which if true would rise to the level of attempted murder rather than a fistfight gone out of control. Not that one could expect any such thing in the travesty of a system such as exists in the Banksta Banana Republick, but once upon a time in the distant past there used to be trials and similar court proceedings to determine what the facts of a case were.

Anonymous CJ March 26, 2012 12:44 PM  

"How much of a beating would justify use of a concealed firearm to stop the attack?"

Legally, this is the where the case should turn. Even if Zimmerman started a fight with Martin and got his ass kicked, there could be a point when Martin lost his right to self defense if he used more force than necessary to repel an initial attack from Zimmerman. The broken nose by itself isn't evidence one way or the other; it could've been from the first punch thrown. Similarly, the injury to the back of the head could be from a sucker punch, or from a 250lb guy getting dropped by a punch or takedown. Being mounted and getting punched weighs more in Zimmerman's favor, but anybody who's been in a fight knows it's not that cut and dried.

Anonymous IanB March 26, 2012 12:45 PM  

CJ:
His job is to protect his neighborhood.
Would you say that of a father guarding his home? "It wasn't his job to stop the suspicious guy on his lawn, his job is to call the cops."

Anonymous IanB March 26, 2012 12:49 PM  

And legally, with the "stand your ground" law, you fortunately don't have to make the right call about whether the person beating your ass is going to kill you or not.

Anonymous Frederick303 March 26, 2012 12:50 PM  

Nate,

Considering how big you talk about being an armed bad-ass your posts now are out of character. You sound like a progressive liberal women who lives in an all white enclave and thinks that her colored cleaning women makes her circle of acquaintances “diverse” Perhaps before you comment again you should go change your tampax and think.

Now I personnel think one should wait until the grand jury report is in, before declaring him innocent or guilty. That said I think Vox’s takes seems to be closer to the truth then yours. You are assuming motivations without facts, just supposition on your part as to Zimmerman’s motives. The fact is the neighbor hood is exactly 49 percent white, these neighborhoods are generally high crime, the reports seem to indicate this neighborhood had 5 to 8 break-ins in the last year, around 40 over a 5 year period. That is quit a lot. Zimmerman was doing nothing more than trying to keep the forces of anarchy at bay.

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 12:51 PM  

"More disturbing is your steady insistence that it is OK to circle back and ambush those you believe were following you earlier....and it is their fault that you feel threatened...and no matter how much you beat them, it would be completely unsporting (even for a person almost a foot shorter than yourself) to pull out a pistol and shoot you to prevent further beating. How much of a beating would justify use of a concealed firearm to stop the attack? A broken nose? Injuries to the back of the head? Maybe some ordinary foot stomping, when the future shooter is on his back?"

This paragraph indicates you're not paying attention.

I specifically said the shooting was almost certainly justified.

My point has been only that Zimmerman was being an idiot... and is a complete douchebag.

Blogger Huggums March 26, 2012 12:52 PM  

This is an extremely annoying case. I knew this would blow up. Everyone's brain goes flying right out the window when race is involved. The only question that matters is "did Zimmerman act in self-defense? How do we know?"

"The gangsta wannabe would be alive if he simply stayed in his own neighborhood. He didn't have to be there and he certainly didn't have to attack Zimmerman." - VD

If what "John", the eyewitness says is true and I have no reason to believe it isn't, then I come down on Zimmerman's side 100%. That being said, I don't agree with this statement. If you'd said, "The gangsta wannabe would be alive if he didn't attack Zimmerman," I'd be with you. Are you and I and everyone else supposed to be afraid to go anywhere we don't need to be for fear that someone may decide we don't belong and kill us? I'm not asking this from a practical standpoint. I'm asking from a moral one. I realize that there was a series of thefts/break-ins committed in Zimmerman's neighborhood. He's sees a new suspicious looking face. He's the neighborhood watchman, so he checks it out. I get all that, but your statement implies that it's fine to kill him simply for being somewhere he didn't live.

Anonymous CJ March 26, 2012 12:54 PM  

IanB,

No, but the situations aren't similar. Anybody can walk down the sidewalk, while nobody has a right to be on someone else's property. If I were the father in your hypothetical, I would tell my wife to call the cops while I grab the 12 guage and tell the guy to get off the lawn.

For the record, I think Castle Doctrine is less open to abuse than Stand Your Ground.

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 12:57 PM  

"Considering how big you talk about being an armed bad-ass your posts now are out of character."

I am greatly irriated by Zimmermann's actions because they make the lives of those of us who regularly go armed more difficult... not less.

I go armed all the time... even sitting here at my desk or on the pew at church. Because of that fact I am keenly aware that getting into a fight is not an option... and since getting in a fight is not an option I have to make different tactical decisions than I may make otherwise.

Zimmerman didn't bother to think about any of this... because he's a douchebag wanna-be cop. Its not that I don't think he had a right to shoot the guy stomping a mud hole in him. Its that he shouldn't have put himself in that situation to start with.

Zimmermann very much reminds me of gamma White Knight that ends up getting his ass kicked.

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 12:59 PM  

"I realize that there was a series of thefts/break-ins committed in Zimmerman's neighborhood. He's sees a new suspicious looking face. He's the neighborhood watchman, so he checks it out."

I would get all that too.. if we were talking about someone other than Zimmermann.

Anonymous Josh March 26, 2012 1:01 PM  

Even if Zimmerman started a fight with Martin and got his ass kicked, there could be a point when Martin lost his right to self defense if he used more force than necessary to repel an initial attack from Zimmerman.

So...you lose your right to self defense if you repel an attacker by kicking his ass...but not if you shot someone...apparently that is not more force than necessary...

B brilliant logic there

Anonymous IanB March 26, 2012 1:02 PM  

CL,

okay, but I would think that a neighborhood watchman (or anyone in the neighborhood) has a reasonable right to protect their community and observe suspicious foreigners.
If he called the kid a slur or shoved him around that's a different matter. If he was observing and questioning him, and then got bushwacked, I just don't see how you could reasonably criticize him.

Anonymous III March 26, 2012 1:04 PM  

Made Nigga

Nate, assuming that Zimmerman was stalking Trayvon, and Trayvon perceived that as a threat to his person, when Zimmerman retreated back to his truck, Zimmerman was no longer stalking Trayvon and no longer a perceived threat. While Zimmerman may have been overzealous in protecting his neighborhood, Trayvon had his black nigga gangsta ego bruised and, rather than continuing on his way after Zimmerman retreated, in turn stalked Zimmerman to his truck where things escalated.

Anonymous Josh March 26, 2012 1:07 PM  

This is an extremely annoying case. I knew this would blow up. Everyone's brain goes flying right out the window when race is involved.

Yup. Whenever the discussion turns to race, people become retards.

Anonymous WinstonWebb March 26, 2012 1:09 PM  

Nate March 26, 2012 12:57 PM

I am greatly irriated by Zimmermann's actions because they make the lives of those of us who regularly go armed more difficult... not less.

Zimmerman didn't bother to think about any of this... because he's a douchebag wanna-be cop. Its not that I don't think he had a right to shoot the guy stomping a mud hole in him. Its that he shouldn't have put himself in that situation to start with.

Zimmermann very much reminds me of gamma White Knight that ends up getting his ass kicked.


My thoughts precisely.

Anonymous DonReynolds March 26, 2012 1:11 PM  

"How much of a beating would justify use of a concealed firearm to stop the attack?"

CJ...."Legally, this is the where the case should turn. Even if Zimmerman started a fight with Martin and got his ass kicked, there could be a point when Martin lost his right to self defense if he used more force than necessary to repel an initial attack from Zimmerman. The broken nose by itself isn't evidence one way or the other; it could've been from the first punch thrown. Similarly, the injury to the back of the head could be from a sucker punch, or from a 250lb guy getting dropped by a punch or takedown. Being mounted and getting punched weighs more in Zimmerman's favor, but anybody who's been in a fight knows it's not that cut and dried."

I would say that Zimmerman either (a) showed much more restaint than I ever would, to have taken such a beating before pulling out the pistol, or (b) was physically unable to pull out the pistol, because of the violence being inflicted by Martin. Either possibility, tends to support the claim (supported by witnesses) that the shooting was motivated by self-defense.

Personally, I would not wait for the beating by someone almost a foot taller than myself. Since Martin ambushed Zimmerman, it may not have been possible for the fatguy to retreat to the safety of his vehicle in time. I would have pulled out the pistol to prevent any beating and if it had already started, I would hope it would stop the attack without having to fire. But in the dark, that might not work. A warning shot may have been wiser. but there is every indication that Martin had his hand(s) on the pistol when it was fired, which would explain why the pistol did not eject the brass and it was only fired once. Thus, a warning shot was not practical since they were struggling with the pistol. (Both knew the pistol was present.)

Anonymous CJ March 26, 2012 1:11 PM  

"So...you lose your right to self defense if you repel an attacker by kicking his ass...but not if you shot someone...apparently that is not more force than necessary..."

Think it through. For instance, let's say that Zimmerman confronts Martin and grabs him, Martin responds by punching him hard enough to knock him down, resulting in a broken nose and a gash to the back of his head. The initial attack is repelled, Martin totally acted in self-defense.

BUT then, rather than walk away, call his dad, or call the cops Martin mounts Zimmerman and starts punching him and/or slamming his head into the concrete. That's not self-defense anymore. Martin is the aggressor now, and Zimmerman may have a reasonable fear that he's going to get killed or seriously messed up.

I have no idea if this is what happened, but if it is, Zimmerman was justified in using deadly force, but he's still a dumbass. I basically agree with Nate.

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 26, 2012 1:11 PM  

Don Reynolds:
Of the tens of thousands of deliberate shootings in this country every year, mostly by determined criminals, some by police, and even fewer by citizens in self defense, the race hustlers pulled this one from the fishbowl as the "racial outrage" of the month. Like Jena 6, Duke lacrosse team, and Twanna Brawley, it should sell a lot of t-shirts, bumperstickers and posterboard.

It will do a lot more than sell t-shirts, bumperstickers and advertising on the idiot box. Most here are completely failing to see the bigger picture. The purpose of the Ministry of Truth agit-prop campaign now underway is two-fold: 1) Use the case to destroy all self-defense legal doctrines - abolishing 'stand-your-ground' and 'castle doctrine' in particular; 2) Gin up more black-on-white hatred and racially-motivated attacks throughout the country like 'Beat-up Whitey Day' (Iowa), the 'Knockout Game' (St. Louis), etc. - down to outright voter intimidation of non-elite whites as happened in Philadelphia in 2008. This is how the usual suspects operate and it is right out of their playbook going back to the days of the Frankfurt School, Alinsky, et al. Note also how the ostensible "conservative opposition" is falling nicely in line according to the usual Repuke pattern. His High Holiness the Apostle of Pure Light the Right Reverend St. jesse is calling for "war" (against whom? - Mestizos?) and the New Black Panther Party is put out a contract on Zimmerman no doubt to the cheers and huzzahs of Rich Lowry, David 'Pink Velvet' Frum and assorted members of the fierce "conservative opposition."

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 1:18 PM  

"Personally, I would not wait for the beating by someone almost a foot taller than myself. Since Martin ambushed Zimmerman, it may not have been possible for the fatguy to retreat to the safety of his vehicle in time. I would have pulled out the pistol to prevent any beating and if it had already started, I would hope it would stop the attack without having to fire. But in the dark, that might not work. A warning shot may have been wiser. but there is every indication that Martin had his hand(s) on the pistol when it was fired, which would explain why the pistol did not eject the brass and it was only fired once. Thus, a warning shot was not practical since they were struggling with the pistol. (Both knew the pistol was present.)"

I agree with all of this... except I would argue you never fire a warning shot. We saw the trouble that stirred up just last week. Once the confrontation becomes imminent.. you do what you can to create some distance between you and your attacker, draw, and put him down.

Again... I believe the shooting was justified. I also believe Zimmerman was an idiot.

Anonymous Josh March 26, 2012 1:19 PM  

I have no idea if this is what happened, but if it is, Zimmerman was justified in using deadly force, but he's still a dumbass. I basically agree with Nate.

He's not a dumbass, he's a hero for protecting his community against the dangers of hoodies and skittles!

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 1:20 PM  

"Nate, assuming that Zimmerman was stalking Trayvon, and Trayvon perceived that as a threat to his person, when Zimmerman retreated back to his truck, Zimmerman was no longer stalking Trayvon and no longer a perceived threat. While Zimmerman may have been overzealous in protecting his neighborhood, Trayvon had his black nigga gangsta ego bruised and, rather than continuing on his way after Zimmerman retreated, in turn stalked Zimmerman to his truck where things escalated."

And if that is what happened... then the shooting is justified. Which I have said I believed all along. But if its true, it also means Zimmermann was an idiot... which I have said all along.

Anonymous Josh March 26, 2012 1:23 PM  

Zimmerman and morons like him aid the gun grabbers, because it gives them ammo to portray ccw folk as vigilantes and wannabe cops who will start shooting people in the street

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 1:24 PM  

I was just reminded of a post VD put once...

Anyone remember the one about the old blue hair that got a radar gun and was using it on people driving by and trying to report it to the cops?

Anyone wanna bet VD didn't call her a hero?

Anyone wanna bet that pretty much all of you people defending this "neighborhood watchmen" weren't nearly so charitable to the dear blue hair that was just out trying to keep the neighborhood safe?

neighborhood watch is a spectacularly stupid idea... if not outright evil.

Anonymous Josh March 26, 2012 1:32 PM  

Nate...that's different...because her community wasn't facing the dire threats of hoodies...or skittles...or skinny black dudes in high school...

Anonymous VD March 26, 2012 1:37 PM  

If what "John", the eyewitness says is true and I have no reason to believe it isn't, then I come down on Zimmerman's side 100%. That being said, I don't agree with this statement. If you'd said, "The gangsta wannabe would be alive if he didn't attack Zimmerman," I'd be with you. Are you and I and everyone else supposed to be afraid to go anywhere we don't need to be for fear that someone may decide we don't belong and kill us? I'm not asking this from a practical standpoint. I'm asking from a moral one.

I wasn't making any sort of point there beyond pointing out the totally obvious in response to someone else doing the same. I don't think anyone can reasonably disagree with it. That being said, yes, I do think it is a bad idea, bordering on stupid, to go prowling around other people's houses at night in a hoody. Particularly, though not only, if you're black.

I've had curious people poke around my property. I don't like it and it's annoying when they do it even though I know they mean no harm by it. But doing so in a neighborhood that is getting constantly burgled borders on the insane. That doesn't mean that Martin was actually up to no good, in fact, his aggressive response to being challenged was noticeably different than the way actual thieves usually respond, which is acting innocent. He was too young and foolish to realize that the proper response to any sort of guard, official or otherwise, is "hey, I'm just passing through...."

Anonymous Geoff-UK March 26, 2012 1:41 PM  

Banksters are robbing anyone holding a dollar bill blind--yet the media cycle has latched onto this man bites dog story and won't let go.

We are doomed. DOOMED I SAY!

P.S. Nate has a great point about unnecessary shootings by cops and cop-worshippers. But Rienzi makes a non-legal argument I find interesting: "What I do want to see running through the tiny, little minds of the vibrant, honor student, hoody youths, who covet my stuff, is the thought that, if they so much set foot within the gates, some raciss honky might cap their ass on sight. Thank you Mr. Zimmerman. They stay in their 'hood, I stay in mine, unicorns and rainbows for all." --Eggshell-skin-color redoubts are increasingly far away from jobs in downtown, and given demographic/birth rate info, unlikely to get closer. Anyone know when the Blue line train from Atlanta will go all the way to my gated community in Chattanooga? I'd love to have a bigger job pool to pick from. Or maybe I can copter-pool with some venture capitalist dude who has his own chopper.

Anonymous VD March 26, 2012 1:43 PM  

Anyone wanna bet that pretty much all of you people defending this "neighborhood watchmen" weren't nearly so charitable to the dear blue hair that was just out trying to keep the neighborhood safe?

"From January 2011 to February 2012 records show there were 402 calls to police from that neighborhood, five were about burglaries, but a majority of the calls were about disturbances."

Zimmerman called 911 46 times since 2001. So, at an annual rate, Zimmerman made 1.1% of the 911 calls from his neighborhood over the last 12 years. Clearly, there were some pretty serious issues there. Either that or everyone in the neighborhood is simply crazy.

Anonymous Josh March 26, 2012 1:45 PM  

VD,

Several years ago, in this post, you stated: " I'd be tempted to break a few windows, or maybe just a windshield, if I knew my neighbor was a volunteer spy"

Have your thoughts on civilian informants changed over the years, or is this case an exception?

Anonymous Clay March 26, 2012 1:48 PM  

VD said:

"I've had curious people poke around my property. I don't like it and it's annoying when they do it even though I know they mean no harm by it."

Maybe you should take down those pink flamingos.

Anonymous WinstonWebb March 26, 2012 1:48 PM  

Josh,
Nobody likes a snitch.
Well, except cops. 'Cause that's really the only statistically significant way that they actually solve crime - TV forensics shows notwithstanding...

Anonymous josh March 26, 2012 2:03 PM  

Nobody likes a snitch.Well, except cops. 'Cause that's really the only statistically significant way that they actually solve crime - TV forensics shows notwithstanding...

Say...ya think him being a snitch might have been why the cops never took him into custody?

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 26, 2012 2:20 PM  

Josh: He's not a dumbass, he's a hero for protecting his community against the dangers of hoodies and skittles! That you, Richie? Your Marxist-sounding remark discredits your argument. St. Trayvon the Holy Martyr was apparently slamming a hispanic guy's head (portrayed by the Ministry of Truth as "white") into a concrete sidewalk. Even those here who are less-than-sympathetic to the cop-wannabe for the most part admit that the killing was probably justified if the circumstances are borne out. Zimmerman may well be a dumbass cop-wannabe who should have backed off when advised (not ordered) to do so by the police dispatcher (though according to some accounts he took the advice). One of the fundamental rules is to try to avoid situations where you have to use a gun. However, if some 6'3 hoodie-clad gangsta-wannbe was slamming his noggin into a concrete sidewalk, even a dumbass mestizo cop-wannabe has a fundamental right to keep himself from getting killed. Or, do you take the view of D'Won Mocha Messiah, Eric 'My people' Holder, Rich Lowry, David 'Pink Velvet' Frum, the Ministry of Truth and other leftists who think negroids have a blanket right to kill because anyone who resists being killed is being raciss?

Anonymous VD March 26, 2012 2:21 PM  

Have your thoughts on civilian informants changed over the years, or is this case an exception?

No. Local security guards are not civilian informants, be they hired or voluntary. However, I can't say I'm in favor of the "call 911" form of security myself. I'd prefer private local security that resorts to the reasonable use of lethal force without bringing the government into it. I can't say it would bother me much if local neighborhood watches shot strangers wearing hoodies on sight and mounted their hooded heads on poles around the perimeter. The practice worked well back in the day, after all.

I note that it has now become readily apparent that Martin was the aggressor from the start.

"With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities have revealed to the Orlando Sentinel. That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities say."

As some of the early reports implied, Zimmerman followed Martin, gave it up, and was returning to his vehicle. Then Martin approached Zimmerman, attacked him, and was killed in justifiable self-defense.

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 26, 2012 2:36 PM  

Meanwhile, in today's vibrant olde London Towne, a five-year old 'proxy-white' Indian raciss is prevented from spreading the evil of racism by three heroes of color in the holy struggle against all racism

Anonymous TheVillageIdiotRet March 26, 2012 2:40 PM  

To all the Africans in America
Happy Cesar Chavez Day

DIVERSITY IS DEATH

DannyR

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 2:43 PM  

apparently Vox has decided he likes snitches.

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 26, 2012 2:55 PM  

Vox:

No. Local security guards are not civilian informants, be they hired or voluntary. However, I can't say I'm in favor of the "call 911" form of security myself. I'd prefer private local security that resorts to the reasonable use of lethal force without bringing the government into it. I can't say it would bother me much if local neighborhood watches shot strangers wearing hoodies on sight and mounted their hooded heads on poles around the perimeter. The practice worked well back in the day, after all.

This is the type of security enjoyed by our overlords, so I can see Vox's point. He just wants the practice extended to the neighborhoods of helots, zeks and proles. You have to parboil the heads and coat them with wax or polyurethane before mounting for a proper display. Otherwise they decay too rapidly from crows and the like. Even then, regular replacement is needed.

Anonymous Clay March 26, 2012 2:57 PM  

I would hope the widow-lady down the road from me would call the cops & snitch if she saw a truck-load of hoodies come from my direction with my stereo equipment & TV's in the back. Hell, I'd appreciate the call from one of my male neighbors, too.

Anonymous Josh March 26, 2012 3:03 PM  

apparently Vox has decided he likes snitches.

maybe he misread it as snatches

Anonymous Josh March 26, 2012 3:07 PM  

I would hope the widow-lady down the road from me would call the cops & snitch if she saw a truck-load of hoodies come from my direction with my stereo equipment & TV's in the back. Hell, I'd appreciate the call from one of my male neighbors, too.

Yeah, that's exactly what happened here...

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 3:07 PM  

"I would hope the widow-lady down the road from me would call the cops & snitch if she saw a truck-load of hoodies come from my direction with my stereo equipment & TV's in the back."

What if she just saw the one kid in a hoodie... holding a bottle of ice tea and some skittles. You want her to dial 911 then?

Anonymous VD March 26, 2012 3:09 PM  

apparently Vox has decided he likes snitches.

How does that compute? All I've stated is that I'm in favor of armed citizens confronting, and if necessary, blowing away suspicious strangers in their neighborhoods. I don't see that they need to call the police in order to do that.

The ideal setup would be a buddy system where one guy does the walking with another guy listening in and providing overwatch with a scoped rifle and laser. I don't think too many troublemakers will insist on causing trouble with the first guy once the little red dot starts dancing around his torso.

Anonymous Josh March 26, 2012 3:10 PM  

he was clearly a pimp buying skittles for his hoes...and pimping is illegal

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 3:11 PM  

Do you people really not recognize that from now on in every political battle over gun rights we're now going to have to hear about this douchebag and what he did?

Zimmerman is money in the bank for the morons at Handgun Control.

Anonymous Josh March 26, 2012 3:14 PM  

How does that compute? All I've stated is that I'm in favor of armed citizens confronting, and if necessary, blowing away suspicious strangers in their neighborhoods. I don't see that they need to call the police in order to do that.

how do you define suspicious in this context? hoodie and skittles?

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 3:16 PM  

"All I've stated is that I'm in favor of armed citizens confronting, and if necessary, blowing away suspicious strangers in their neighborhoods. "

So... simply being somewhere while black is good enough to get you shot.

My buddy Tony comes out to watch the UFC with me... its over after midnight... ya see him there and don't know him... so you get to off him?

come on.

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 26, 2012 3:22 PM  

Josh: he was clearly a pimp buying skittles for his hoes...and pimping is illegal

What possibly could have led to the tragic demise of St. Trayvon the Blessed Holy Martyr? Was it just mindin' his own peace-lovin' pimpin' bizness in the nice vibrant 'hood where he be hangin' - or was it slamming the hispanic cop-wannabe's head into a concrete sidewalk? Inquiring minds want to know.

Anonymous Josh March 26, 2012 3:22 PM  

My buddy Tony comes out to watch the UFC with me... its over after midnight... ya see him there and don't know him... so you get to off him?

only if he has skittles

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 3:32 PM  

"Was it just mindin' his own peace-lovin' pimpin' bizness in the nice vibrant 'hood where he be hangin' - or was it slamming the hispanic cop-wannabe's head into a concrete sidewalk? Inquiring minds want to know."

for the 100th time... the shooting was justified. That doesn't mean that Zimmermann isn't a total douchebag. For example... after he shot Trayvon... he shoved the mans face into the dirt and held it there. Self defense don't ya know.

Blogger Giraffe March 26, 2012 3:32 PM  

"All I've stated is that I'm in favor of armed citizens confronting, and if necessary, blowing away suspicious strangers in their neighborhoods. "

So... simply being somewhere while black is good enough to get you shot.


That's an interesting interpretation, Nate.

Anonymous Josh March 26, 2012 3:39 PM  

Was it just mindin' his own peace-lovin' pimpin' bizness in the nice vibrant 'hood where he be hangin' - or was it slamming the hispanic cop-wannabe's head into a concrete sidewalk? Inquiring minds want to know.

He was minding his own business until the moron wannabe cop decided to be a hero and followed him...

Zimmermann created the situation by confronting him

if his version of the events is accurate, the shooting was justified as self defense...however...it doesn't change the fact that zimmermann was a moron...

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 3:42 PM  

"That's an interesting interpretation, Nate."

Consider what "evidence" zimmerman used to call Trayvon suspicious. He was black. He was walking. He was ummm... appeared to be looking around at people's houses (douchebag's words not mine).

Anonymous VD March 26, 2012 3:52 PM  

So... simply being somewhere while black is good enough to get you shot.

Why do you think "being somewhere while black" = "suspicious"? Why do you think "being somewhere while black" = "stranger"?

If Tony comes over to your house and is accosted by an armed neighborhood watchman, presumably he would have the intelligence to answer, when asked what he is doing there, that he is on his way to watch UFC with his good friend Josh, not physically attack the man.

Anonymous Clay March 26, 2012 3:57 PM  

I think Tony is Nate's friend.

(but, Josh probably has a black friend named Oliver that he watches UFC with)

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 3:58 PM  

"Why do you think "being somewhere while black" = "suspicious"? Why do you think "being somewhere while black" = "stranger"?"

Because apparently that is the standard the douchebag you're defending applied.

Anonymous Josh March 26, 2012 4:01 PM  

(but, Josh probably has a black friend named Oliver that he watches UFC with)

JaQandavious, actually

Anonymous WinstonWebb March 26, 2012 4:03 PM  

Officer Barbrady often shakes down my good friend Token when he's on his way over to watch Terence & Phillip.

Anonymous Josh March 26, 2012 4:10 PM  

Officer Barbrady often shakes down my good friend Token when he's on his way over to watchTerence & Phillip.

Are you sure that it wasn't that Irish cop that framed Mr Jefferson?

Anonymous MikeH March 26, 2012 4:19 PM  

"You wouldn't be questioning the official story and the police report?"

Not if it was consistent with what the witnesses said as well as the video cameras. It's when the official story and police report are contradicted by the witnesses and the cameras all miraculously stop functioning and the film disappears that I question it.
Cops shoot people all the time. Typically, the only time we discuss it here is when it is grossly and obviously unjust.

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 26, 2012 4:33 PM  

Josh: He was minding his own business until the moron wannabe cop decided to be a hero and followed him... That's simply a naked assertion on your part, nothing more. It could very well be true, and it could likewise be true that the cop-wannabe was just a grandstanding moron who was playing hero. On the other hand, it could instead be true that Zimmerman was simply doing his job by trying to prevent another burglary - of which there had been a number in that very subdivision.

For example: the phrase ....appeared to be looking around at people's houses could refer to walking onto private property to see if a house is a candidate for breaking into (not so innocent); it could also mean that Martin was merely looking at houses from the public sidewalk (innocent). Which was it? I have no idea what is meant - exactly - by the vague phrase ....appeared to be looking around at people's houses. You have no idea of whether Martin was "minding his own business" or casing a house for a break in - which is certainly not "minding his own business." Neither does anyone else here.

If we take the most common interpretation of the phrase - which was admittedly vague, Zimmerman confronted Martin as he was trespassing on private property looking for an easy place to break in and steal things. Is he not supposed to confront someone doing this? Let it happen then call the cops?

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 26, 2012 4:59 PM  

Nate: So... simply being somewhere while black is good enough to get you shot.

Here is a perfect example of the denial of reality and its replacement with a leftist-generated mythology. This is reality: Black thugs routinely assault, kill and rape whites with near-total impunity - fully backed by a legal establishment that justifies every murder, rape and assault as somehow being the victim's fault. (The 23-year old mentioned, Chris Kernich, died in the hospital six days after the beating). One of his killers, beneficiary of an apparently bottomless legal slush-fund to pay legions of shysters and parasite ambulance-chasers to fight convictions endlessly through a rigged judicial system, recently had his conviction overturned. The truth is that being white in the wrong place can get you killed anytime for any reason, or for no reason at all. I find it curious that some here prefer instead to believe in mythologies manufactured by Marxists.

Anonymous Josh March 26, 2012 5:47 PM  

I find it curious that some here prefer instead to believe in mythologies manufactured by Marxists.

and what is the mythology that nate and I believe?

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 5:55 PM  

"Black thugs routinely assault, kill and rape whites with near-total impunity - fully backed by a legal establishment that justifies every murder, rape and assault as somehow being the victim's fault."

I know that. I don't dispute that at all.

What I dispute is the notion that douchebags like Zimmermann are therefore justified in starting fights with blacks and then shooting them.

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 5:58 PM  

"For example: the phrase ....appeared to be looking around at people's houses could refer to walking onto private property to see if a house is a candidate for breaking into (not so innocent); it could also mean that Martin was merely looking at houses from the public sidewalk (innocent). Which was it? I have no idea what is meant - exactly - by the vague phrase ....appeared to be looking around at people's houses. You have no idea of whether Martin was "minding his own business" or casing a house for a break in - which is certainly not "minding his own business." Neither does anyone else here."

We know that Trayvon's tox came back clean. And we know that our Hero Douchebag also described him as "looking drugged". Thus I conclude that his description is unreliable... and that's being charitable.

When you're walking back from the store through a neighborhood... what exactly do you have to look at but people's houses?

Anonymous Josh March 26, 2012 6:10 PM  

funny how certain people have a generally low opinion of hispanic folk, except for this one guy in this instance, he's totally believable

Anonymous civilServant March 26, 2012 6:55 PM  

"What I dispute is the notion that douchebags like Zimmermann are therefore justified in starting fights with blacks and then shooting them."

Often just looking at one of these people is considered an act of disrespect and a justification for retaliatory mad-dogging. From there violence is only an opportunity away.

When you're walking back from the store through a neighborhood... what exactly do you have to look at but people's houses?

A perfect opportunity.

You know this.

Anonymous civilServant March 26, 2012 6:59 PM  

"funny how certain people have a generally low opinion of hispanic folk"

You should hear how the blonde Mexicans talk about los indios.

Anonymous TLM March 26, 2012 7:01 PM  

Nate is 100% correct. This Zimmerman guy is a prototypical goof wannabe somebody. He got his wish and will now reap the whirlwind. It only takes a few of these assholes to ruin it for the rest of us that pack in a professional manner. These jackasses almost always gravitate to a position of quasi authority that they always take too far, as they are unfit for any type of professional service (I cant believe I just referred to law enforcement as a professional service). We just had some idiot Constable here shoot a lady for suspected "shoplifting". They are all cut from the same cloth. And really, what 28 yr old volunteers for Neighborhood Watch? It's usually some guy in his 60's making sure no one walks on his manicured lawn.

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 26, 2012 7:01 PM  

When you're walking back from the store through a neighborhood... what exactly do you have to look at but people's houses? Nothing much, I expect. If all Martin was doing was looking at houses from the sidewalk, Zimmerman's behavior in confronting him was unjustified. It would be just as you characterize it - grandstanding douchebag idiocy on steroids. If Martin was walking up to the windows and doors of houses in the neighborhood (which is not an all-white gated community, but mixed in racial makeup - so we can dismiss the "raciss" card being dealt here) looking for an opportunity to break and enter, it's a different situation. Two very different types of behavior - each of which can be described as "...appeared to be looking around at people's houses." The "looked like he was on drugs" is meaningless nonsense.

As a general rule I am considerably less than supportive of the 'neighborhood watch' type of security that allows a character like Zimmerman, whose revealed history indicates he was very much a cop-wannabe, to patrol the streets unsupervised. For one thing, such cop-wannabes are often all-too-willing to go along with whatever homeland security directives emanate from the regime and the likes of the $PLC - no matter how absurd or totalitarian they are. The line between 'neighborhood watch' and 'stasi snitches' is a thin one at best.

Josh: funny how certain people have a generally low opinion of hispanic folk, except for this one guy in this instance, he's totally believable. That was quite lame. In first place more than one witness has reported that St. Trayvon the Holy Martyr was slamming Zimmerman's head on the concrete sidewalk - not just Zimmerman. You even have been forced to admit the shooting itself was likely self-defense. I dare say that the only reason Zimmerman has been defended at all is due to the fact that he's a non-white. If Zimmerman were actually white, he would have been charged with a hate crime and already on the fast track to the pen - and certain death at the hands of the predominant population there in short order. (All unreported of course.) No trial necessary.

Anonymous Stilicho March 26, 2012 7:12 PM  

for the 100th time... the shooting was justified.

Then embrace that result. There's no need to feel like you have to make excuses for the shooter being a douchebag. There's been way too much delving into subjective motivations on this thread that's little more than pure speculation. Actions are what matter.

Besides, all I've seen on here is that some think they could have handled the situation better than GZ. So what? That may make them better at unarmed combat, but that doesn't change the pertinent facts. Chubby losers should be free to defend themselves too. GZ was, by all accounts, trying to protect his neighborhood. Any ineptitude doesn't change that. Does anyone but the severely retarded think that it is improper to confront a suspicious character about his presence in your neighborhood? Or should the good little sheeple just wait for the Po Po to investigate after the fact?

That boy may deserve a swift kick in the ass for the manner in which he did this, but not for trying to do it it the first place. What he really needs is training.

@Josh: you're right in the sense that the hooded thug look alike was perfectly free to walk down that street, but the converse is true as well--the Barney Fife wannabe was also perfectly free to ask him what the hell he was doing there. Why do you want to prosecute the brown man for doing something he was perfectly free to do?

Anonymous VD March 26, 2012 7:13 PM  

funny how certain people have a generally low opinion of hispanic folk, except for this one guy in this instance, he's totally believable

Yes, because the witnesses, the 911 call, the police, and the prosecutor have all supported his story. And besides, you've clearly forgotten that he's not just hispanic, he's "white hispanic".

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 26, 2012 7:13 PM  

I see that Churchianity has weighed in on the farce. And folks wonder why I have so much more respect for Islam. Is there anything on earth more utterly loathesome than such a collection of bogus self-righteous leftist hypocrites?

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein March 26, 2012 7:38 PM  

If the Z-man hadn't been packing, there would be a badly beaten or dead Hispanic guy and a perp that looks a lot like the POTUS's son ( If he had one..).

Blogger LP 999/Eliza March 26, 2012 8:20 PM  

@ Gen. Kong

As a general rule I am considerably less than supportive of the 'neighborhood watch' type of security that allows a character like Zimmerman, whose revealed history indicates he was very much a cop-wannabe, to patrol the streets unsupervised. For one thing, such cop-wannabes are often all-too-willing to go along with whatever homeland security directives emanate from the regime and the likes of the $PLC - no matter how absurd or totalitarian they are. The line between 'neighborhood watch' and 'stasi snitches' is a thin one at best.

+++++++++

The same concern crossed my mind over the weekend as American media was in full lynch GZ mode. The personality of a neighborhood watcher is sometimes troubling in terms of people pleasing and authority worship. They are well meaning and sometimes in their well meaning spirit get into trouble. Their white knight side is problematic as well. However, it appears that Martin punched, struggled with GZ and there is a witness to corroborate this(?).

Anonymous Monkey Boy March 26, 2012 8:41 PM  

Have you seen the photo of this guy, he is clearly not "white" hispanic, he is mestizo. Mixed race at best. No one would call a mixed race guy with a white mother and black father but who clearly looked black, a white African American would they.

Anonymous jp (real one) March 26, 2012 9:12 PM  

http://grumpyelder.com/?p=20730

BTW, this is where I did my undergrad in the early 90s. I remember 5 or 6 "hate crimes" back then. All involved blacks jumping whites. Once, when a white girl was attacked, we came close to a big clash outside the dorms.

I can't wait for Biden to say "this could've been my son" and then for Al, Jessie and the Panthers to call for justice and an end to racial violence.

Anonymous The other skeptic March 26, 2012 11:25 PM  

It' funny. I work with a lot of black people. They are Indian (from India). Some have really dark faces, some are light skinned. They are all technicals (no, they do not carry anti-aircraft guns on their backs).

I do not fear for my life in dealing with them, and I can tell the difference between them and African Americans, and most of them are f*cking good, technically.

However, I think Zimmerman, whatever he is, did the right thing.

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 11:28 PM  

"Yes, because the witnesses, the 911 call, the police, and the prosecutor have all supported his story."

Bzzzt.

1 witness.

The other witness... the one that actually attaches her name to her story... tells it quite differently and includes the bit where after Trayvon was shot... Douchebag shoves his face into the dirt and holds it there.

Blogger Nate March 26, 2012 11:33 PM  

"In first place more than one witness has reported that St. Trayvon the Holy Martyr was slamming Zimmerman's head on the concrete sidewalk - not just Zimmerman. "

This is false.

One witness... who will not be named... report that. The other witness... who actually puts her name out there... does not. In fact... she says it was Trayvon having his face shoved in the dirt after the shot.

make of it what you will.

Zim is not being defended because he's a minority. He's being defended because the right wing loves a good neighborhood watch... and from the time the left shouted RACIS!!!! The right has been in full on lockdown... brains turned off.

Anonymous The other skeptic March 26, 2012 11:41 PM  

Nate said on March 26, 2012 11:28 PM

"Yes, because the witnesses, the 911 call, the police, and the prosecutor have all supported his story."

Bzzzt.

1 witness.

The other witness... the one that actually attaches her name to her story... tells it quite differently and includes the bit where after Trayvon was shot... Douchebag shoves his face into the dirt and holds it there.


I can imagine doing that if the f*cker had banged me on the back of the head, had broken my nose etc... after such minor provocation.

Indeed, I might have even pissed on him.

You seem to be emotionally invested in your position.

Anonymous Outlaw X March 26, 2012 11:57 PM  

The biggest problem in America is not just PC, it is liars. Liars cause all the problems. their agenda will fail with time, yet we have to wait for their stupidity to be exposed, refused and repudiated.

Anonymous The other skeptic March 27, 2012 12:20 AM  

Some thugs shoot someone

I guess the President didn't shed a tear over her death. She probably didn't look like his daughters.

Anonymous Josh March 27, 2012 12:44 AM  

You seem to be emotionally invested in your position.

Yes, Nate has a history of hating cops and cop wannabes

Anonymous Oregon Mouse March 27, 2012 12:51 AM  

Somewhat off topic but

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/trayvon-martin-trademarks-769123

I feel the imminent discrediting of the families grief approaching. The sooner the better. There is an outside chance the mother is copyrighting her son's name only to keep others from profiting off it as the Nation of Islam and Black Panthers have done but I would be stunned if this is the case. I'm guessing this move is on advise from the reverends. Mr. Zimmerman will get screwed in the civil suit even if he wins on self defense. These people live for the payout.

Anonymous FP March 27, 2012 2:02 AM  

More info from Trayvon

Martin's tweets

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 27, 2012 3:10 AM  

Looks like Mercer's on top of the issue also. Auster's coverage has been excellent. The Holy Blessed Martyr St. Trayvon's halo looks more and more tarnished with each passing revelation. What a great loss for humanity. A real Albert Schweitzer and Albert Einstein rolled into one hoodie. We need to build a 500-foot statue of St. Trayvon the Holy one on the National Mall.

Anonymous Outlaw X March 27, 2012 4:55 AM  

"Do you people really not recognize that from now on in every political battle over gun rights we're now going to have to hear about this douchebag and what he did?

Zimmerman is money in the bank for the morons at Handgun Control."

Only if you let it be. I don't know what happened, but any asshole can be used to take gun rights away, no matter. I don't care what happened, cops shoot more folks than anyone and they lie about it. If the Bastard is guilty hang him if not, give him an award.

To say don't shoot because of gun rights is to say you have none. You can have guns as long as you don't shoot anyone. Bunch of BS, Nate. The trigger is not the gun, but the people who refuse to pull it because they are scared of their rights being taken away.

I may have over simplified the issue, but that is the way I see it.

Blogger Jamie-R March 27, 2012 5:44 AM  

Nate's initial posts were on the money, and, begrudgingly, I'll say Josh backed him up. But Josh is terrible as a drinking sidekick.

Yup. Whenever the discussion turns to race, people become retards.

Hey Josh, substitute "race" for "Ron Paul's foreign policy". Then you'll get what I think of all of you.

Anonymous FP March 27, 2012 5:45 AM  

T-shirt support for Trayvon... thats raciss?

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/trayvon-martin/cracker-tshirt-759832

Blogger LP 999/Eliza March 27, 2012 6:18 AM  

Semi OT: regarding twitter, try tweetpsych.com, its somewhat interesting.

We now approach day 4 or 5 of Zim-tin. For the record, I feel sorry for both parties. All these stories adds fuel to the fire of America's decline. Yet black on white crime is blacked out by the media. Anyone recall last spring's problems at local fairs?

I guess Americans don't mind the NDAA, drones and unemployment. Funny, just as OWS was going home the race warlords are promoting this story, now big cities hold protests; LA, Atlanta, Detroit. All vibrant cities to be avoided.

I tried to watch 7pm to 10 tv news channels. It was wall to coverage against Zim/GZ and nothing mentioned about Martin's school suspension, pot problem and stolen jewelry. (Too bad this country continues to penalize pot heads).

Blogger Jamie-R March 27, 2012 7:01 AM  

The problem with America is it lacks common sense in favour of too many ideological narratives. It's a dynamic positive and a fatal flaw.

Anonymous Anonymous March 27, 2012 7:08 AM  

I can't wait for the facts to come in and we get the typical Vox "uh you guys misunderstood what I originally meant"

Blogger DrewG March 27, 2012 9:01 AM  

It is an interesting case and begs many good questions. If attacked by an unarmed man at what point can deadly force be used in self defense? Unless you are old or a women, if attacked by only one person it would seem, in today’s legal and cultural climate, a much safer play to just take your beating. Might not be right, but I would say the chance you would survive the beating is very good, while the chance you will not end up in jail for killing a single unarmed attacker bad.

Probably a good lesson for everyone, either mind your own business or learn to fight. If the white Mexican had been able to hold his own in a fight or had not gone around looking for trouble, he wouldn’t be in this pickle.

I am a little surprised the white African teenager did not take the white Mexican’s gun away from him when he drew it…….

Anonymous The other skeptic March 27, 2012 11:04 AM  

This shooting did not generate as much media attention

Maybe Obama should declare Bo Morrison his long lost son as well.

Anonymous The other skeptic March 27, 2012 11:06 AM  


I am a little surprised the white African teenager did not take the white Mexican’s gun away from him when he drew it…….


He probably had not learned how to take the slide off of a Kel-Tec like the ever so capable women on CSI Miami do.

Anonymous The other skeptic March 27, 2012 11:10 AM  


Zimmerman is money in the bank for the morons at Handgun Control


I don't see this. The DoJ "gun walking" scheme was also money in the bank for handgun control.

However, I suspect that the Dark Messiah must be getting some sort of kick-back from gun manufacturers and importers, because they have been doing very well ever since he was elected.

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 27, 2012 1:58 PM  

Jame-R:

The problem with America is it lacks common sense in favour of too many ideological narratives. It's a dynamic positive and a fatal flaw.

Pearls of wisdom from a disarmed drooling drunken Neo-Trotskyite lickspittle from a totalitarian banksta colony in the southern hemisphere.

Anonymous cherub's revenge March 27, 2012 2:07 PM  

Nate: Yes. And ya know what they are NOT supposed to do? Go around stalking people at night because they happen to be "walking slow and looking at houses".

When it's a seventeen year old black in a hoodie with a full gold grill that's exactly who they should be following and watching.

Anonymous cherub's revenge March 27, 2012 2:21 PM  

WinstonWebb: Zimmermann very much reminds me of gamma White Knight that ends up getting his ass kicked.

My thoughts precisely.


Really, 'cause Trayvon beez daid. Whose ass was kicked?

Anonymous cherub's revenge March 27, 2012 2:39 PM  

Do you people really not recognize that from now on in every political battle over gun rights we're now going to have to hear about this douchebag and what he did?

Nate, you're 48 hours behind the times. The narrative around St. Trayvon is quickly collapsing. It's come out he'sa gold grill wearing, gang sign flashing, pants around the knees, caught with burglary tools and jewelry that wasn't his, swinging on a bus driver, suspended from school with drugs, "No Limit Nigga".

This is Duke Lacrosse, Tawan Brawley, Jena-6 all over again. This is going to be a positive for gun self-defense as those stories are buried in just the local media.

The media screwed the pooch for their anti-gun, anti-White agenda by making this story so big and having it blow up in their face...again.

Anonymous FP March 27, 2012 2:51 PM  

Student walk-out protest at a Miami high school turns into a flash mob on a walgreens:

http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/21007056287333/student-walk-out-for-trayvon-gets-out-of-control/


Security cam video:
http://www.local10.com/news/Surveillance-video-Protesters-ransack-store/-/1717324/9719542/-/wl79hlz/-/index.html

Anonymous cherub's revenge March 27, 2012 3:05 PM  

Oh, this just keeps getting better and better. Nature trumping nurture.

Police: MU student severely beat, kidnapped girlfriend

A Millersville University student is charged with severely beating his ex-girlfriend and kidnapping her from a campus dormitory this weekend.

Akeem M. Johnson, 24, punched the victim at least 10 times Saturday morning before forcing her from her room at Burrowes Hall and into his car, according to a police affidavit.

--

On Friday night, he stood prominently at an on-campus rally regarding the death of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin, holding a sign saying, "I am Trayvon Martin."


Too funny. Yes you are.

Anonymous xXx March 28, 2012 1:04 AM  

If Zimmerman were Cuban, the Florida Cuban community would likely give him support. Like wise if Zimmerman were a Mexican from the Southwest he would get support from some Mexican groups. Unfortunatly form Zimmerman his Hispanic heritage comes from Peru.

Blogger Luke March 28, 2012 5:10 PM  

Anyone seen the Chappelle Show bit, "When Keepin' It Real Goes Wrong?"

[Narrator Voice] "Now when this Neighborhood Watch Douchebag Busybody Cop Wannabe asked what he was doing walking through a gated community at night, young Trayvon Martin had a number of options. He could have ignored him and kept walking. He could have said, 'I am walking back to my father's fiancee's house from the store, she lives here and we are staying with her for a few days.' He could have said, ‘Mind your own business, I am doing nothing wrong. Stop following me or I will call the police!' He could have called his father or his girlfriend to come sort it out and read this guy the riot act. He could have just broke into a run. He could have asked Zimmerman if he'd like to buy some skittles, or some quality ladies' diamond rings he was 'holding for a friend'. But Trayvon chose to do none of these things. Befitting his Twitter user name, 'No Limit Nigga', Trayvon Martin decided… to Keep it Real."

Anonymous Geoff-UK March 30, 2012 2:15 PM  

@Luke,
"Anyone seen the Chappelle Show bit, "When Keepin' It Real Goes Wrong?"


Sir, that is comedy genius you have referenced, and you have done so in an unexpected but perfectly relevant way to illustrate what COULD have happened that night, but didn't. KU-DOS!!!

Blogger Luke March 30, 2012 4:44 PM  

Thanks Geoff. See also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhgwy9y5ttA

Anonymous Anonymous March 31, 2012 5:17 PM  

Zimmerman is a jew racial Hispanic. He is not Caucasian, (White).

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