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Monday, April 16, 2012

Interview with John Derbyshire

Vox Day interviewed the “summarily executed” ex-National Review writer about his controversial magazine article on April 10th, 2012:

Somehow you managed to turn yourself into a bigger media discussion point than the guy who went and shot five people out in Tulsa. That seems a little ironic in light of concerns regarding racism in America.

I think it was two guys who did the shooting, two guys were arrested.

That's right. But it just seems odd that some advice to your children on dealing with race in America somehow trumps actually going out and shooting people. I find it remarkable that the media considers the John Derbyshire story to be more significant and indicative of racial problems in America than a pair of folks going around shooting and killing black people.

I think you may be exaggerating there, Vox. I read a prominent newspaper every morning and the Tulsa shootings have been in that newspaper and I have not.

I've seen stories about you in the Guardian and other UK newspapers.

Oh, I got a notice in the Russian press too. A Russian friend sent me something all in Russian. It was quite well done. So yeah, I'm a worldwide sensation. Fifteen minutes of fame or what?

After all this time and all you've written, is it surprising that this article should be the one to which everyone pays attention?

It is a bit surprising, yes. I'm a bit surprised. I didn't think there was anything that much out of the ordinary in it. I've written similar things before and the tone wasn't anything sensational. It's an odd thing. People pick these things up and they buzz around for a few days... that's the news business.

I was impressed with Mark Steyn's defense of your article, or rather, your employment by National Review. Was it disappointing to see the opinions of Ramesh Ponnuru, Jonah Goldberg, and some of the others who took the opposite position?

You know, Vox, I have to confess I try not to read negative stuff about myself. You can call that cowardice if you like. The way I look at it is why spoil my digestion? But I've been going by friends who have pointed me to various things, a friend sent me an email saying Goldberg's really slagged off on you. Okay, fine, so I'm not going to read Goldberg. But friends did email me and said Mark Steyn's put up a very good and thoughtful piece and you really should go and look at it. So I did read Mark's piece and yes, I thought it was very judicious, very well done. And that nice little quip about if stuff published on Taki's Magazine is so outrageous, why is Taki still on the National Review masthead. So yeah, I really did like Mark's piece. The other pieces, I don't know, as I said, I try not to read negative stuff about myself. Why upset yourself?

For the most part, there's been a tremendous amount of support for you across the right blogosphere, whereas there hasn't been much defense of Rich Lowry's position except by the other writers at National Review. I would estimate that eighty to eighty-five percent of the comments have been running in your favor. I thought that was really striking, because I'm not sure that would have been the case ten years ago.

Do you mean the comments on the National Review blog?

I mean the comments on pretty much every blog where it's been discussed, with the exception of the left-wing blogs where the competition is to see who can feign the most outrage.

I am in quite high spirits because I've had tremendous email support. I've had hundreds of emails and I'm going to have to do some collective thank you for them somewhere because I've totally given up trying to deal with them. I'd answer a dozen and forty more would come up in the meantime. It's been almost a tsunami. I'm taking my life in my hands here, I know, but almost none of them have been negative even though my email address is right there on my web page. I think by the time I got through the first few dozen, there were two negative ones. And they weren't vituperative, they were sarcastic and sneering, but they weren't horrible. Everything else was really positive and supportive. That's just tremendous, I'm really heartened by it. I am going to read them all. I can't possibly answer them all, but I am going to read them all. People have been great.

I get the definite impression that something has changed. You talk about how 50 years ago, you would have had some different opinions more in line with the Standard Model view of race. And certainly 20 years ago, the reflexive anti-racist position was the normal one in educated society. But now things have changed and people are much less terrified of having the race card waved at them. Have you noticed that yourself?

There are a number of things in play there. One, which I've written about more than once, I think, in the United States, is just despair. I am of a certain age, and I was around 50 years ago. I was reading the newspapers and following world events and I remember the civil rights movement. I was in England, but we followed it. I remember it, I remember what we felt about it, and what people were writing about it. It was full of hope. The idea in everyone's mind was that if we strike down these unjust laws and we outlaw all this discrimination, then we'll be whole. Then America will be made whole. After an intermediate period of a few years, who knows, maybe 20 years, with a hand up from things like affirmative action, black America will just merge into the general population and the whole thing will just go away. That's what everybody believed. Everybody thought that. And it didn't happen.

Here we are, we're 50 years later, and we've still got these tremendous disparities in crime rates, educational attainment, and so on. And I think, although they're still mouthing the platitudes, Americans in their hearts feel a kind of cold despair about it. They feel that Thomas Jefferson was probably right and we can't live together in harmony. I think that's why you see this slow ethnic disaggregation. We have a very segregated school system now. There are schools within 10 miles of where I'm sitting that are 98 percent minority. In residential housing too, it's the same thing. So I think there is a cold, dark despair lurking in America's collective heart about the whole thing. That's one factor. Another factor is the Internet, especially YouTube. Now, you can log on any morning to the Drudge Report and see videos of crowds of black Americans misbehaving. Maybe there should be some videos of white Americans misbehaving, but there just aren't that many. People are seeing these things and it's fortifying that despair.

I'm a bit scared of it, it's making us kind of cold. But we're still mouthing the platitudes. It's something happening under the surface and it hasn't really come to the surface yet except perhaps in reaction to events like this. But I do think that in our innermost hearts we're in a state of despair.

One of the things I've noticed, living in Europe, is that Europeans really don't get the American racial obsession. It's pretty clear that approved racial etiquette in the United States is not normal and one wonders how long it can last.

That's always been the case to some degree. Back in the 1930s, Agatha Christie wrote a book called "10 Little N-words". Do you know that book?

I do.

That wasn't the title of the book of course. I'm trying to observe the proprieties. It was published like that in Britain, but her American publisher wouldn't publish it under that title. The American publication was "And Then There Were None".

That was before World War II, in the 1940s. But it was published under the original name in England until the 1960s, well into the 1960s. So we've had this difference in sensibilities between polite, well-educated, upper middle class Americans and Europeans for a long time. We've always had that. But contra that, it seems to me, based on reading the newspapers, that the British are even more prissy than the Americans about these things. We're constantly hearing about somebody getting prosecuted for yelling a racist word at a soccer player or something like that.

I exchanged some email with Jonah Goldberg about this and the thing that really appeared to bother him, and the thing that appears to have bothered your other critics the most, was the idea that one should not stop and offer assistance to a black individual in apparent distress. Obviously, you're not a Christian, so barring any sort of Good Samaritan Christian duty, why do you think there's been such a negative response to that particular piece of advice.

I must say, I think they have a point. If I was to write it over again, that would be just about the one thing I would change. I actually wanted to add some qualifiers to that point, just to tell people to be more wary in that situation, but you know, I'm a writer and I was over my allotted word count. I would rewrite that if I could. But again, I'm giving advice to kids and kids don't have much judgment. I do think you need more judgment in a situation like that and I put a link to where it happened. You get a regular trickle of stories about people who have tried to help in those situations and come to grief, where they've been turned on or its been some kind of con.

I noticed you used the words "apparent distress" in your article. I thought it was fairly obvious you were indicating that not all distress is necessarily real and sometimes it's a trap.

Yeah, and if you're giving advice to kids, they don't have the judgment to know what's a trap and what isn't. I don't think it's that bad advice even as it stands. But it's the one thing I would have elaborated on if I'd had more words to use.

One thing I think people neglect to consider about the Good Samaritan is that he wouldn't have been in any position to help the man if he didn't have an animal to put the guy on, money to pay his medical bills and leave him in the inn for a couple of days.

(Laughs) Come on now, Vox. You're lawyering it. I've made my semi-apology, let's leave it at that.

Fair enough, fair enough. So Mark Steyn referred to what he called your "summary execution" by Lowry. Was it really that summary? Were you given any opportunity to walk yourself back or was it just a case of you've stuck your head in it, so off with your head? Lowry seemed to view the article as some sort of resignation, was that your intention?

Not at all. I thought it was just a routine piece.

The other theory that was making the rounds was that your obvious guilt could be mitigated by the fact that you'd been affected by your cancer treatments. Is there any veracity to that?

Nope, I don't believe that at all. I'm on a monthly chemotherapy cycle and at the beginning of the cycle, where they pump the poison into you, you really are out of it for a few days. But then, a couple of weeks later, you're back pretty much to normal. And that piece was written at the end of the cycle, so, no, I don't believe it's got anything to do with it.

National Review has a long and rather Stalinist history of purging its writers, including Joe Sobran, Samuel Francis, Ann Coulter, and now you. Is this part of National Review's culture or is there something else going on there?

On National Review's behalf, let me just correct you on Coulter. She wasn't a National Review employee, they just syndicated her column and they stopped syndicating it. I think that was all that happened there. I'm sorry to sound defensive on National Review's behalf, but it is something they have to do, to some degree. I actually spoke to Bill Buckley about this a couple of times. As a committed conservative, it hurts to say this, but there are a lot of crazy people on the political right and if you're going to have any kind of presentation in the media marketplace at all, you do have to keep fending them off. Unfortunately, it's a matter of judgment about which ones you fend off and which ones you let into the tent. It's awfully hard to get right, and I know, Bill Buckley had said to me, that he didn't think he'd always gotten it exactly right. It's an approximate art. You sometimes boot out the wrong person and sometimes keep in the wrong person. Bill called it a policing exercise and it does have to be done. If you're going to be a, oh dear, respectable publication, and get your ideas out there in the marketplace, you do have to draw a line against the craziest of the crazies. It's not an easy line to draw. It's not an easy judgment to make. Sometimes you get it wrong. I think Bill got it wrong with Sam Francis.

You sound remarkably comfortable having been found to be on the wrong side of the line.

Well, I say again, it's a hard thing to get right. Did Rich Lowry get it right in my case? You be the judge.

Who will be the next to be purged at National Review? Most of the betting money is going towards Mark Steyn or Victor Davis Hanson.

What, no Mark Krikorian? No, VDH and Mark Steyn will have positions at National Review as long as they want them. VDH will self-purge before it becomes necessary to excommunicate him.

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103 Comments:

Anonymous Faust April 16, 2012 12:28 AM  

The thing that really struck me in this whole thing, and I've probably read at least 50 web pages and articles discussing it, is that nobody ever said Derb was wrong. They called him a monster, they called him a racist, and they called him a bigot, but I never saw one person say "Your concerns are unfounded and I can show you why."

Anonymous Outlaw X April 16, 2012 1:14 AM  

I'm sorry to sound defensive on National Review's behalf, but it is something they have to do, to some degree.

Bullshit!!!!! Sobran talked about it in one of his columns, Derby is delirious. It is why I never read them.

Anonymous Difster April 16, 2012 1:22 AM  

Of course not Faust, what did you expect?

He wasn't wrong, he was just incorrect.

Anonymous AdognamedOp April 16, 2012 1:55 AM  

Re: The Tulsa shootings.
That story faded from the MSM radar after it turned out one of the "white" guys was actually a Cherokee Indian whose Father was murdered by a Black man. They couldn't perpectuate the Whites killing Blacks en masse myth with a suspect who fell into the "Brown person" sub-category of caucasoidism.
In the leftist table of victims, "Brown" people rank higher than caucasoid females, Negroids, and even queers, in some cases. This indigenous Indian getting back at his fathers killers was too much for the sloganeering idiots to handle, so they let it go.

Anonymous David April 16, 2012 2:48 AM  

Joe Sobran was articulate, insightful and wrote well-reasoned arguments. Bill Buckley purged him from NR because he dared to criticize Israel. Bill got it wrong with Joe and Sam Francis.

Anonymous Jimmy April 16, 2012 2:53 AM  

Now that I finally read it from the constant reminds of Vox via these articles, I have to say it was a laugh riot; however, there is no "amulet" for accusations of racism as his article has proven unless you're black. Even Hispanics are not immune as was proven from the recent TM shooting. I do sense that there are limits to tolerance of bad black behavior, but it won't be today.

Anonymous John D. April 16, 2012 3:37 AM  

So D was of sound mind, yet didn't predict how, in this racially charged moment in history, his confessional wasn't going to put his ass in a sling. That's an intelligence test of sorts right there.

Anonymous Idle X April 16, 2012 3:42 AM  

As the great Malcolm X said in 1964 (about two months before he was assassinated) in New York City:

"I believe in the brotherhood of man, all men, but I don't believe in brotherhood with anybody who doesn't want brotherhood with me. I believe in treating people right, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to treat somebody right who doesn't know how to return the treatment."

If groups of African Americans continue to commit the majority of violent crime in the United States, it should be continued to be pointed out. They are not upholding their end of the bargain. I will continue to avoid those situations for safety reasons.

Anonymous desertdaniel April 16, 2012 4:36 AM  

Vox--Tried to comment on WND article; they said I had to be "moderated"! Couldn't figure that one out. I've greatly enjoyed your work there. Nice to find intelligence and style combined. I don't know Derbyshire's work--don't read National Review. Most of what he said seems like common sense. The racial intelligence stuff bothers me, though. Jensen and Shockley transisterized it quite a while ago--and got royally short-circuited, as I remember. I think the dividing line between "them" and "us" is that between Christian and pagan, not black and white. Of course there are cultural differences; there always are. If I remember my Bible correctly, God only created one kind of human.

Anonymous Roudntine April 16, 2012 5:13 AM  

Derb is right to be surprised. The only reason it caught attention was become someone at the Guardian stumbled across it and spread it globally.

Anonymous FP April 16, 2012 6:10 AM  

"I'm sorry to sound defensive on National Review's behalf, but it is something they have to do, to some degree."

Meh, but who are the crazies of the crazy anymore? Mainstream conservatism just keeps drifting left for fear of offending liberals/progressives aka the MSM.

Anonymous Rosalys April 16, 2012 6:52 AM  

I don't think there is any genetic component to the general lower IQ's of black people; it's a matter of attitude. Any black who tries hard and studies is accused of "acting too white". Very negative peer pressure of the worst kind. The race-baiting, shake-down-artist likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be out of a very lucrative job is "we could all only learn to live with one another"!

This bad attitude appears to be peculiar to American blacks. I know a family that has emigrated from Haiti, they used to go to my church and they are wonderful people. My husband and brother work with people from West Africa and there is no problem with them.

The real trouble is that the bad-ass blacks with a chip on their shoulder are a "protected political class" who are allowed to get away with way too much. However, it's open season on the likes of Clarence Thomas who is the best justice we have on the Supreme Court.

A few bad-asses need some severe whoopin' and then maybe we'll start to see some change in attitude. (Hope springs eternal - but I'm not holding my breath!)

Anonymous VD April 16, 2012 7:14 AM  

This bad attitude appears to be peculiar to American blacks. I know a family that has emigrated from Haiti, they used to go to my church and they are wonderful people. My husband and brother work with people from West Africa and there is no problem with them.

No doubt that is why Haiti and West Africa are such wonderful places to live. I suggest you should probably revisit both your assumptions and conclusions before attempting to place the blame on the attitudes of American blacks.

Blogger PCA April 16, 2012 7:19 AM  

"I don't think there is any genetic component to the general lower IQ's of black people; it's a matter of attitude."

"The racial intelligence stuff bothers me, though. Jensen and Shockley transisterized it quite a while ago--and got royally short-circuited, as I remember. I think ..."

It's interesting to note that anyone who disagrees with this part of what Derbyshire wrote seems to find themselves using the words "I think" a lot. Which is fine: You folks are entitled to your opinions too.

But let's be clear that opinions are all they are. We've got data on black intelligence and some hopeful conjectures about how we might account for it in order to maintain our faith in the idea that all men are "equal" in every possible respect. It may be a comforting or politically correct thing to believe, but do we actually have any legitimate reason to believe it to be true?

Anonymous Anonymous April 16, 2012 7:31 AM  

We've reached overload and the resulting numbness that follows. We whites have been told we have to walk that razor's edge of racial orthodoxy and any deviation from it would bring damnation down upon our heads. Well, you can only tolerate so much cognitive dissonance; the high priests of said racial orthodoxy have played the race card one too many times against folks who bear no one any ill will, while the observably destructive behavior of their constituency continues on unchallenged, uncondemned.

As you have noted, Vox, Mr. Derbyshire only cited what all of us know, deep down, is true about black behavior en masse. Call me a racist! I'm done!

Regards,
David Smith

Anonymous zen0 April 16, 2012 7:52 AM  

I think that's why you see this slow ethnic disaggregation.

What an opportune word. Sounds like de-segregation but is opposite.

Anonymous HongKongCharlie April 16, 2012 8:01 AM  

Bullshit!!!!! Sobran talked about it in one of his columns, Derby is delirious. It is why I never read them.

Outlaw X, so you are into juvenile name calling in place of thinking. Toast!

HKC

Anonymous Idle X April 16, 2012 8:07 AM  

Perfect timing.

First Intelligence Gene Discovered 4/16/12

How long before some enterprising scientist with balls decides to do a study comparing brainscans between ethnic populations, looking for these markers?

Think of the possibilities. We could be extremely specific. Not just Asian v. Black v. White, but Congolese v. Namibian, or Okinawan v. Japanese. Maybe Pygmie Subgroup A v. Pygmie Subgroup B.

MOTHER NATURE? YOU BE RACISS!

And the dominoes begin to tumble into place...

Anonymous Idle Instigator April 16, 2012 8:14 AM  

My favorite Haitian joke:

What's the worst part about being HIV positive?
Having to tell your parents you're Haitian.

Anonymous Idle Instigator April 16, 2012 8:32 AM  

//stirs pot

You know where these genetic tests are going to lead, right? Genetic engineering.

We will have 6'4" North Korean Super Soldiers with added rod cells in their retinas so they can see in the dark, extra melanin in the skin so they never sunburn, and a more efficient metabolism to get by on only a few Metal Gear rations.

GOD HELP US ALL.

Blogger Markku April 16, 2012 8:38 AM  

de-segregation

Desegregation is malaggregation.

Anonymous Big bill April 16, 2012 8:42 AM  

We have reached a different stage. In the olden times, the reason for permitting barriers between black and white was due to recognized disparities, cultural differences and the like.

This was countered by the idea that racial separation itself caused the disparities. Once we eliminate the separation, the groups will become equal.

Now that that dream has failed we cannot merely recognize out error and return to the old relations in which people will be free to serve and socialize with whom they wish.

We despair because we now know, deep in our hearts, that we will be NAM keepers for the rest of our racial life, as will our children. As will our children's children until we are extinct.

No amount of sacrifice, no degree of abasement, will ever be sufficient to atone for our race guilt.

Of course non-Christian New Americans such as the Chinese, Koreans, Indians who maintain their neoptism and race loyalty are much better suited to the world of ethnic antagonism that the liberals and corporations have recreated in America in the last 40 years and will survive.

We, on the other hand, will silently go extinct suffering from a terminal case of Christian race-guilt.

Blogger Hermit April 16, 2012 8:47 AM  

"I know a family that has emigrated from Haiti, they used to go to my church and they are wonderful people."

We have a family from Somalia at our congregation. Great people, I don't have a bad thing to say about them. However, I've met hundreds (at least) of blacks in my lifetime. To be completely honest, the vast majority of them I couldn't put them back on the boat fast enough. The exceptions are merely that. The rest of them have done more than their share of ruining this country.

Anonymous Cryan Ryan April 16, 2012 9:00 AM  

An earlier poster (AdognamedOp) pointed out why the Tulsa case fizzled while Derb's column was the talk of the web.

The kid who killed the blacks was an Indian.

Oooooops! Can't drop that story fast enough!

Nothing to see here folks...move along now...

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler April 16, 2012 9:06 AM  

Didn't Pat Buchanan get axed from National Review? Why isn't he in the list of canned authors from NR?

Anonymous The Gray Man April 16, 2012 9:17 AM  

Rosalys April 16, 2012 6:52 AM

I don't think there is any genetic component to the general lower IQ's of black people; it's a matter of attitude. Any black who tries hard and studies is accused of "acting too white". Very negative peer pressure of the worst kind. The race-baiting, shake-down-artist likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be out of a very lucrative job is "we could all only learn to live with one another"!


Attitude has only to do with how much you learn and how disciplined you are, your IQ is at least 50 to 75% hereditary. To pretend there is no genetic component is to ignore the facts.

You can't win an argument by being defensive--too many right wingers come from your perspective, then wonder why no one listens.

Anonymous Smarty Pants April 16, 2012 9:34 AM  

Asian's will eventually take over the global Economy because they are much, much smarter than whites and also outnumber them.

Americans are probably the dumbest whites in general. If Germany had a white population as large as America it would be a much more successful country than America is and the same point is applicable to almost any European country with the exception of Ireland. The success of America is mainly due to population size and the importation of highly skilled immigrants. Immigrants will no longer want to come to America as it falls apart and if America does allow in immigrants it will create yet more racial and ethnic diversity and create a non-white power elite who were eventually depose of them or make them nothing more than there puppets.

Anonymous Ampontan April 16, 2012 10:06 AM  

"If Germany had a white population as large as America it would be a much more successful country than America is and the same point is applicable to almost any European country with the exception of Ireland. The success of America is mainly due to population size and the importation of highly skilled immigrants."

Many of whom came to the United States from Germany because they thought life was a deadend there.

I wouldn't be too sure about that "highly skilled immigrants" stuff. The major waves of immigration in the late 18th to very early 19th centuries weren't of people who were "highly skilled", but rather "highly motivated" and observant enough to see that their options outside of Europe were better.

Blogger Hermit April 16, 2012 10:08 AM  

"Asian's will eventually take over the global Economy because they are much, much smarter than whites and also outnumber them."

IQ is only a fraction of a population's success. White's are infinitely more innovative. Your argument might work better if there wasn't a giant body of water or a massive continent separating the two populations. Throwing millions of cheap soldiers over a shared border will eventually wear the less populated one down. But shipping them thousands of miles, over sea or air, and you have to a lot craftier to have any chance of success.

Anonymous The other skeptic April 16, 2012 10:30 AM  

Thought crime is a greater evil that physical crime!

If we let the thought criminals go undetected, the whole world will fall apart.

Anonymous T.N.Toluene April 16, 2012 11:13 AM  

"there are a lot of crazy people on the political right"

Typical pseudo-con: attacking other rightists.

No enemies on the right! We must stick together.

Anonymous civilServant April 16, 2012 11:14 AM  

Now, you can log on any morning to the Drudge Report and see videos of crowds of black Americans misbehaving.

Misbehaving?

Anonymous YIH April 16, 2012 11:24 AM  

For those equalitarians out there here's some homework:
Detroit was a major hub of commerce and manufacturing when it was majority white. After the 60's it soon became politically dominated by blacks. The population is about 88% black now as well. The city is now a bankrupt, decayed hellhole. South Africa has severely gone downhill since the blacks took over as well.
In regards to blacks such as Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, ect. a friend put it best: ''Just because you can find a needle in a haystack does not mean haystacks are a good source of needles''.

Anonymous civilServant April 16, 2012 11:25 AM  

We, on the other hand, will silently go extinct suffering from a terminal case of Christian race-guilt.

Is non-christian tribalism the path to survival?

Anonymous Karsten April 16, 2012 11:27 AM  

"I'm sorry to sound defensive on National Review's behalf, but it is something they have to do, to some degree. I actually spoke to Bill Buckley about this a couple of times. As a committed conservative, it hurts to say this, but there are a lot of and if you're going to have any kind of presentation in the media marketplace at all, you do have to keep fending them off. Unfortunately, it's a matter of judgment about which ones you fend off and which ones you let into the tent."

If I ever had any sympathy for JD, it disappeared with the above comment.

He's still operating by exactly the same mentality that Lowry is. It's just a question of degrees.

Both still believe that "respectability" means "not as far Right as someone else." Both are still operating on the principle that, "I'M the sane one, but him, HE'S the nutty extremist who is de-legitimizing our movement."

I would have hoped that this experience would have cured JD of this notion, but evidently not.

Notice that JD is not saying that NR needs to keep a watch out for contributors who are too far left; no, he accepts the premise that it keeps needing to police itself to keep out contributors who are too far right.

"Crazy people on the political right," JD says. How predictable that this would be his concern, not "crazy people on the political left."

Leftists consider everyone to the left of them to be somehow purer, nobler than they are. Yet too many rightists, particularly faux-rightists, follow the same line of thinking! Both groups consider respectability and even morality to lie at their own positions or to the left of themselves; never to the right of themselves.

JD is still thinking, "Well, at least I'm crazy, like so-and-so to my right," evidently not realizing that now, the majority of the chattering class puts him in the "crazy" category.

Paleoconservatives think alt-righters are beyond the pale. Alt-righters think Stormfront is beyond the pale. Heck, I have a feeling that the even KKK goes around patting itself on the back, saying, "At least we're not Neo-Nazis."

Everyone stands in their position, thinking, "My point is as far right as anyone can go. Anything farther is intolerably extreme."

This has to stop.

It's high time for the right to stop subconsciously accepting the belief that "lefter" is "better" in any way, and to consider that maybe the so-called "crazies" even further right actually have the superior insight.

Blogger WATYF April 16, 2012 11:49 AM  

VD said: No doubt that is why Haiti and West Africa are such wonderful places to live. I suggest you should probably revisit both your assumptions and conclusions before attempting to place the blame on the attitudes of American blacks.

I can't say that I don't agree with him somewhat, though. I used to live in East Africa and my family has lived there for a number of years now, and I notice a stark contrast in the "attitudes" of African blacks vs American blacks.

Do you think that "statistically lower IQ" is the sole cause of the differences in the civilized structures that are in place between the various races? Do you think it could be something spiritual, rather than biological? After all, the Jews and the Arabs clearly share a common ancestor, and yet their societies are vastly different in terms of "civility".

WATYF

Blogger rcocean April 16, 2012 11:59 AM  

JD's support for NR's previous purges confim's my belief that he deserves no sympathy.

Anonymous Sojourner April 16, 2012 12:02 PM  

But what is he going to do about his radio program? Is that done? No more? That was the highlight of my Friday's listening to him.

Blogger rcocean April 16, 2012 12:03 PM  

Karsten makes an interesting point. The left and right always seem to be asymmetrical in their political beliefs. The Left believes in only criticizing those to the right, otherwise its "pas d'ennemis `a gauche"

The meanwhile right has no friends to *its right and is always trying to befriend the liberals.

Anonymous Cryan Ryan April 16, 2012 12:54 PM  

"Asian's will eventually take over the global Economy because they are much, much smarter than whites and also outnumber them"

Asians may average a bit higher IQ, but has anyone noticed on funny home videos or youtube that the kids kayaking off 100 foot waterfalls, jumping off buildings on their bikes, riding bicycles down the slopes of volcanoes at 100 mph, skiing down sheer cliffs, doing double back flips on motorcycles, and swimming with great whites are almost always white boys?

There is something different in our genetic makeup that causes us to get a rush out of wrestling gators, hunting lions with a bow, jumping and flying off the highest peaks, and descending into the deepest ocean trenches.

Who knows why we do it.

The Spanish invaded Mexico with a few hundred men, and wiped out an entire civilization, against 500 to 1 odds. Just for the fun of it.

Yeah, the Asians made a fuss with Nanking and Pearl Harbor, but then they found out what it was like taking guns to an atomic bomb fight.

Right now, Jews and smart white guys are creating nuclear drones that will vaporize a square mile at a time, 10 meters deep.

Jews, Asians, and the lesser peoples will be watching on judgement day, wringing their hands and sniffling, but it will be white boys pulling all the levers and leveling entire civilizations.


Just for the 'ell of it.

Anonymous TLM April 16, 2012 1:23 PM  

"Asian's will eventually take over the global Economy because they are much, much smarter than whites and also outnumber them"

Keep dreaming Hong Kong Phooey. Asians are the master-Beta race. Your women love us white boys and always will. For every "highly intelligent" Asian, there's 1,000 other gambling addicted, dirt poor, ignorant peasants with the morality of a Bangkok whore roaming the slums and country-sides of Korea, China, Thailand, etc. And the Japs are too busy to rule over anything as they have no time to produce anything but more anime porn for their degenerate masses.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 16, 2012 2:38 PM  

Genetics don't just determine IQ, but other mental aspects as well. One thing that is almost certainly genetic is, for lack of a better word, EQ, Entrepreneurial Quotient, a person's psychological ability to take calculated risks. Read the book Hypomania for a summary, but basically some people are simply more comfortable living with uncertainty and trusting to their own abilities. The majority of the human race - of any ethnicity - finds it very uncomfortable to be on their own and prefers life as a well-treated serf to life as a yeoman responsible for his own success or failure. Of course the "well-treated" part is usually more promise than reality, but at least if it all goes to Hell the serf can blame someone else for his misery...

Anyway, people who are willing to leave their home and travel halfway across the globe (in olden times on leaky bundles of sticks sailing across the open ocean) to start over in a new land where they didn't know anybody, they were a signficant portion of the Hypomanics in their home populations. That's one of the things that led to the US national character - we were a nation founded by entrepreneurs and risk-takers. Our population has had a higher percentage of people willing to take responsibility for themselves than most other nations because we've self-selected for it. We have high EQ.

Slaves transported to the new world weren't coming of their own accord, so their descendants don't share the same hypomania as do the descendants of people who came willingly. Of course in any population there will be the outliers, and so in Haiti where the majority of the population are not hypomaniacs you'll find a few who are. Those few are likely to decide moving to the US to start over is a good risk and will take it, while the rest stay behind. So it's no surprise that Hatians who willingly emigrate to the US will fit in better with the higher EQ folks already living here than will genetic lineages that had no choice in the matter.

Anonymous Smarty Pants April 16, 2012 2:39 PM  

Its funny how ignorant most of use are. Most of the Nobel Prizes won by America over the past 50 years are due to immigrants or there offspring working within American University's.

Asians have been shown to have higher IQ's, better work ethics and are also more productive than whites. In relation to IQ's not only do they have a higher general average, they produce much more people with genius level IQ's per capita, as much as three times as many as whites, plus when you take into consideration just how much they outnumber whites you start to realize the importance of this. With Economic growth becoming more and more related to technological innovation, Asians will thrive and take over whites with ease. The majority of whites don't have IQ's large enough even to understand programming languages. Whites won't be able to adapt to the new economic climate like Asians will.

Anonymous Smarty Pants April 16, 2012 2:50 PM  

Also most of use seem to forget that Asia was in fact hundreds of years ahead of whites in ancient technology. Even when Europe was at its most productive and successful it was fairly even with Asia, rather than miles ahead of it. With the exception of the Arts there had never been any large gulf what so ever up until the 19th Century. Any gulf that was there was purely down to Europeans adoption of Christianity and its worldview. The collapse of Asia as an international force had more to do with its adoption of European political ideologues. With white people rejecting Christianity or embracing forms of Christianity than don't produce the same productive effects of the old time religion, whites won't be able to compete with Asians.

Anonymous cherub's revenge April 16, 2012 2:57 PM  

WATYF: After all, the Jews and the Arabs clearly share a common ancestor, and yet their societies are vastly different in terms of "civility".

Not when you get them together for a family reunion back in the old neighborhood.

Anonymous cherub's revenge April 16, 2012 3:04 PM  

With the exception of the Arts there had never been any large gulf what so ever up until the 19th Century.

Hence so many Chinese explorers and scientists, philosophers, mathematicians, inventors and colonizers prior to the 19th C. being household names.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 16, 2012 3:07 PM  

Attitude has only to do with how much you learn and how disciplined you are, your IQ is at least 50 to 75% hereditary. To pretend there is no genetic component is to ignore the facts.

But of course success and failure in a competitive environment is usually determined at the margins. The amount of IQ (plus everything else that matters in life) determined by culture is likely the difference between a decent life and a fiasco. A person with an 85 IQ is perfectly capable of being a functional adult and living life as something other than a perpetual train wreck. But he'd better get as much out of his potential as he can. A guy with a 120 IQ can afford to slack off a bit and still be okay, but the guy on the left slope of the bell curve needs to give 100%.

I think 50 years ago the 85 IQ folks did a lot better in terms of being competent human beings. Culture does matter. It's the difference between functional and dysfunctional.

Anonymous cherub's revenge April 16, 2012 3:08 PM  

Asians have been shown to have higher IQ's, better work ethics and are also more productive than whites.

Yet they bang on Whitey's door day and night by the millions trying to get into his house. What's up with that?

Anonymous Smarty Pants April 16, 2012 3:13 PM  

"Hence so many Chinese explorers and scientists, philosophers, mathematicians, inventors and colonizers prior to the 19th C. being household names."

Just because your historically ignorant doesn't mean your right. Start by looking up some information on Chinese astronomy and mathematics. You will see they were years ahead of Europeans. You can look up the others at a later date and see that your wrong about them as well. Also I clearly pointed about that most of Europe's success was due to there relationship with Christianity rather than there intellect or general creativity.

Anonymous Smarty Pants April 16, 2012 3:18 PM  

"Yet they bang on Whitey's door day and night by the millions trying to get into his house. What's up with that?"

And when they get into America they are much more successful and productive than there whites counterparts. Also as I said as the American Economy collapses they will no longer feel the need to move to America. Part of the reason for Asians wanting to leave there homelands is due to there nations adoption of European political ideologues.

Anonymous cherub's revenge April 16, 2012 3:36 PM  

Just because your historically ignorant doesn't mean your right.

Hey, well educate me. Hell, educate the whole forum Yan Shen and post some info about some Asian groundbreakers we should all know about, but mysteriously don't.

Anonymous cherub's revenge April 16, 2012 3:42 PM  

And when they get into America they are much more successful and productive than there whites counterparts.

Yet, they can't achieve these levels at home among billions of other Asians. Why is that.

Uncle Sam say "30% tariff and no student visa" and 200 million Asians go back to scratching mosquito bites on their asses and slogging in rice paddies faster than you can say "how much you pay for my daughter".

I wouldn't have your wife quit her day job at the massage parlor just yet in anticipation of you Asian supremacy fantasy fulfillment.

Anonymous Poli_Mis April 16, 2012 4:00 PM  

Americans are probably the dumbest whites in general. If Germany had a white population as large as America it would be a much more successful country than America is and the same point is applicable to almost any European country with the exception of Ireland. The success of America is mainly due to population size and the importation of highly skilled immigrants. Immigrants will no longer want to come to America as it falls apart and if America does allow in immigrants it will create yet more racial and ethnic diversity and create a non-white power elite who were eventually depose of them or make them nothing more than there puppets.

I am in Germany right this very moment on a 10-day work trip.

The mind rot of the youth here is FARTHER along than you realize.

In addition, I have been badgered by more able-bodied young men here for handouts on the streets and in the train stations than I was on my last trip to Beggar Land -- I mean San Francisco. And all were white.

Anonymous TLM April 16, 2012 4:05 PM  

And when they get into America they are much more successful and productive than there whites counterparts.


You're correct. All those Chinese restaurant slave-laborers, excuse me, I mean cooks, have such better homes than me in their gated high-end communities. And let's not forget those super-successful Asian massage parlor business women who've accumulated vast fortunes giving white men "happy endings".

Anonymous Smarty Pants April 16, 2012 4:11 PM  

"Yet, they can't achieve these levels at home among billions of other Asians. Why is that."

And Jews weren't successful entrepreneurs when they lived in Russia but when they came to America there were. Why is that?

Use your brain there's more opportunity due to there being more money and freedom. As I have said before the problems in Asia are mainly due to the adoption of European ideas. As America collapses and the money and the freedom dry up and the economic advantages Asia have take full effect, this will no longer happen.


Also go read a book or even look up a wikipedia article to find out the information. Its not my job to educate you. Do it yourself.

Here's a hint:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_mathematics

Anonymous Cryan Ryan April 16, 2012 4:12 PM  

Hey Smarty Pants,

When you use "your" for "you're", and "there" for "their", it gives people the impression that you are kind of a...

well...

a dumbass.

If you are trying to win them over to your way of thinking, and you demonstrate with your poor, third grade level grammar that you are well, sort of dumb...that doesn't help yer argument...see?

Just trying to help.

Anonymous Smarty Pants April 16, 2012 4:18 PM  

"I am in Germany right this very moment on a 10-day work trip.

The mind rot of the youth here is FARTHER along than you realize.

In addition, I have been badgered by more able-bodied young men here for handouts on the streets and in the train stations than I was on my last trip to Beggar Land -- I mean San Francisco. And all were white."

It's irrelevant to the point. Per capita the average white German is more productive than the average white American. The same can be said for most nations in Europe. America with the amount of whites it has should be more successful than it is. The only real explanation for why it isn't more successful is that they are much lazier or they are dumber.

Anonymous Smarty Pants April 16, 2012 4:27 PM  

"Hey Smarty Pants,

When you use "your" for "you're", and "there" for "their", it gives people the impression that you are kind of a...

well...

a dumbass.

If you are trying to win them over to your way of thinking, and you demonstrate with your poor, third grade level grammar that you are well, sort of dumb...that doesn't help yer argument...see?

Just trying to help."

Well English isn't my first language. But the fact that you are resorting to attacking my grammar rather than refuting my arguments makes you look like a dumbass. A dumbass who's incapable of doing so hence is resorting to nitpicking.

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Anonymous Rosalys April 16, 2012 5:30 PM  

I never meant to imply that Haiti and West Africa are wonderful places - you couldn't pay me enough to go there - only that they don't carry around a chip on their shoulder. Maybe it's just that the few I know had the means and the intelligence to exit a hell hole. Probably the fact that they are Christians also has something to do with it.

Anonymous cherub's revenge April 16, 2012 5:54 PM  

And Jews weren't successful entrepreneurs when they lived in Russia...

You never can tell. The Jewish narrative constantly shifts back in forth between how awesome they were in a particular country and how oppressed they were.

Like how they were so poor they had to lend out money to make a living.

Or how the Jewish furriers were reduced to distributing caviar to the nobility to keep from starving. Shit like that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions

That sure as hell doesn't support your earlier assertion. Actually it's worse than I thought. China - where good ideas go to die.

Anonymous Poli_Mis April 16, 2012 6:18 PM  

It's irrelevant to the point. Per capita the average white German is more productive than the average white American. The same can be said for most nations in Europe. America with the amount of whites it has should be more successful than it is. The only real explanation for why it isn't more successful is that they are much lazier or they are dumber.

That sounds like a lot of conjecture on your part. Can I see some data to back that up?

I had to postpone my most recent trip a few times to account for my German colleagues' many days off due to state holidays. There are many. Ironically, I am here to help them as the purpose of my trip is to help them spend vacation money the six weeks of entitled time off on leisure travel. I will say that again ... SIX WEEKS. That is like getting the equivalent of half-maternity leave every single year.

All the data I've read compared number of hours worked in total. Total hours worked. See how I didn't try to sound smart like you and use words like 'per capita?' Per Capita is used in statistics. Descriptive and predictive stats compare samples of populations. Americans put in far more hours than any Western European country. We just do not get all that guaranteed time off.

The company I work for is multi-national. We have offices everywhere around the globe. Guess where the slowest, least producing teams I work with reside? Lieb Heimatland Ade, indeed. They are not lazy per se, but they do lack the sense of urgency found in the other teams. India comes to mind.

Now, let's review. I have years of personal, up-close observation with many Germans. You have what looks like opinion unless I see some data.

Anonymous Smarty Pants April 16, 2012 7:29 PM  

@Poli_Mis

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2010/08/04/why-dont-americans-have-longer-vacations/the-vacation-gap-between-the-us-and-europe-is-wider-than-we-think

Since your point seems to be based purely on personal observation here are a number of people with there personal observations that are the opposite of yours:

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2010/8/4/why-dont-americans-have-longer-vacations/who-deserves-vacation-more

Anonymous FHL April 16, 2012 7:47 PM  

I haven't read any of the comments, just shooting off the post direct:

This Derby guy seems a lot nicer and more gentle in person than when he publishes an article.

But I had a chuckle when I read the article itself; it reminded me of the warnings my parents used to give me when I was little concerning white people (I'm Christian Egyptian, and the town I grew up in had virtually no blacks; I was the only non-white). They called the whites "Amrican" (arabic for "Americans"):

"Don't marry a white girl! She'll cheat on you! For sure!"
"Don't go on dates! That's what the Amrican do to have sex! They call themselves Christians but their frauds!"
"Don't listen to those Amrican when they invite you to hang out with Muslims! They're just inviting themselves to be tricked into converting or killed!"
"Don't go to sleepovers! Those Amrican children do drugs and drink alcohol! We're different!"

And I said "But Moooom... Daaaaad... not everyone is like that!"

Of course, not everyone is... but everyone I hung out with was, haha!

Every group can be broken down further into separate groups. Eventually you will be able to tell who is part of who (to a degree, this isn't a science).

But if you stereotype too large a group, you will undoubtedly strike a chord with someone, as you will be clearly incorrect. Sometimes I wonder if saying "Black people are violent" is like saying "Asians have squinty eyes." Even the Russians?

Anonymous Poli_Mis April 16, 2012 7:51 PM  

@Smarty Pants,

You will need to do a lot better than that. I don't give a bucket of warm spit what the NYT say.

It really is charming that you think that agit-prop outfit is still a reputable newspaper.

Certainly they've *never* stirred the pot of class warfare, gender bias, race baiting, etc. Oh, wait. Except nearly everything they've ever published since I was born into this material plane.

Every bit of that claptrap was to continue to drive public opinion to socialism. Be happy with less was a great deal of the message.

What next? Links from Huffington Post, Media Matters, or Mother Jones? As far as trolls go, you really are not that good.

Anonymous Cryan Ryan April 16, 2012 8:02 PM  

Smarty Pants,

I didn't offer argument for the simple reason that you don't seem to be sure what you are saying.

But if English is not your primary language, that would explain your grammar.

I was just trying to offer some constructive criticism.

Maybe you should live another 20 years, get some experience, sharpen up your skills, then come back.

I'll be wallowing in big social security checks by then,and with luck will have plenty of time on my hands to point out your errors of thought.

Anonymous Smarty Pants April 16, 2012 8:11 PM  

@Cryan Ryan

The fact that your unable to comprehend what I saying doesn't mean I don't understand it.

Anonymous Smarty Pants April 16, 2012 8:13 PM  

@Poli_Mis

You seem to have missed the fact that the premise of the article is taken from an academic economic paper.

Anonymous Cryan Ryan April 16, 2012 8:14 PM  

You're.

That's you are. You're.

Your is not the same word.

Do your understand?

Anonymous zen0 April 16, 2012 8:22 PM  

(I'm Christian Egyptian, and the town I grew up in had virtually no blacks; I was the only non-white). They called the whites "Amrican" (arabic for "Americans"):
FHL April 16, 2012 7:47 PM

The advise of your parents was correct. But like you said later, with experience comes discrimination.

Anonymous FHL April 16, 2012 8:42 PM  

@zen0

Thanks for the reply.

Indeed. But I also wonder what good it is to warn the youth- I think people naturally understand how different groups behave.

If a person's daughter is hanging out with a "gansta" with a gold "grill" do you really think her dad will convince her to leave by saying "he's dangerous"? Isn't that why she's hanging out with him in the first place?

At least, in my youth, whenever I ended up in trouble it was because I went looking for trouble. With experience comes discrimination- but not only in the sense of who I hang out with, but who I am and what I seek, as well.

Anonymous FHL April 16, 2012 8:45 PM  

@zen0

...although I also suppose you can't not say anything either. Would be stupid to think "Oh, I shouldn't warn them about cigarettes, they're just gonna smoke anyways."

I don't have any kids, just some thoughts.

Anonymous zen0 April 16, 2012 8:46 PM  

Indeed. But I also wonder what good it is to warn the youth-

Because in that small moment of decision, it might be remembered. It is an obligation of parenting. They know when they do it that it may or may not be a help, because they only learned that their parents were right after they got kids.

Anonymous Bobert April 16, 2012 8:46 PM  

@Poli_Mis

Maybe there is more to life than work - something almost no american seems to understand.

Whether or not Europeans are more productive per capita (and the evidence suggests that they are), they seem to get that there is more to life than the office. What is the purpose of a a high GDP if you have no life? Well at least the executives at the top get to enjoy it. Especially since Americans are more religious than Europeans, you would think they would understand that and not glorify spending your life chasing mammon via long hours in the office.

Are the Germans too lazy (doubt it - they still have a nicely functioning society even in the face of all the EU retardation) or are you and many other Americans simply too driven, too focused and anxious over work and material production.

I noticed how you seemed to compliment what a sense of urgency the Indians have. Maybe always living and working with a sense of urgency is not healthy, spiritually, mentally, or physically. I find it hilarious that on a libertarian blog you glorify some of the most overworked, exploited, beaten-down slaves on the planet. Have fun working 100 hrs/week only to watch most of your alleged productivity get given to your massively overpaid CEO's and stolen via inflation. And the rest can be spent on health care conditions due to stress and overwork.

Anonymous Bobert April 16, 2012 8:50 PM  

@TLM

Dude...you really need to chill. Your discussion asians and their culture goes way beyond legitimate discussion of their success or lack thereof (both of their culture in their homelands and in the US). Your posts have really jumped the shark into a simple hate-filled screed.

Anonymous FHL April 16, 2012 8:54 PM  

@zen0

True. Wise words.

Blogger dubeaux April 16, 2012 9:10 PM  

Three things:

1. In his interview with Derbyshire, VD says "eighty to eighty-five percent" of the comments across the right-wing blogosphere have been running in Derb's favor, i/c NRO. That's not what I saw at NRO or THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE. Most of the NRO comments are supportive of Lowry, with the majority of these expressing varying amounts of hostility towards Derbyshire in particular and "race realism" in general. A surprising number are extremely emotional, though not quite at the level of hysteria some leftist commenters have displayed at TAKIMAG (although the comments there are indeed overwhelmingly supportive of Derb's POV).

A bigger surprise to me was THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE. In the comments to Noah Millman's blog entry, a solid majority denounced Derbyshire, again often in emotional, self-righteous terms. I had not realized that the politically correct view of race (i.e., no heritable racial differences exist, they are culturally determined and low black IQ & high black crime is due to past racism) was so dominant there.

2. VD also says "20 years ago the reflexive anti-racist position was the normal one in educated society." Depends how you define "educated society," and where. In the South, most educated people knew the score on race and always had. In the rest of the country, I suppose "anti-racist" was the default position, but only on the commanding heights, where conformity and orthodoxy were most strictly enforced. The work of scientists like Arthur Keith, Carleton Coon and R.R. Gates had never been de-bunked, only attacked or ignored, by the Boasnians in charge of the anthropology departments, and the more recent findings of Jensen, Shockley and the sociobiologists presented powerful challenges to the "Standard Model" of anti-racism even then. And there were plenty of educated people all over the country who knew this perfectly well.

However, although "something has changed," I don't think it's for the better. Even as the scientific basis for racial differences, including its heritable basis, has grown stronger in the past two decades, anyone saying so in a public forum - like Derbyshire - is more likely to be "outed," vilified, and (if possible) fired now than ever before. Perhaps this is only a sign of desperation from the egalitarians, but it is happenening.

3. I doubt Victor Davis Hanson or Mark Steyn will be purged from NR. VDH is an aggressive neocon in foreign policy whose scholarly reputation gives undeserved (but highly appreciated) weight to his views. Mark Steyn - as Lawrence Auster has noted many times - never actually says anything really heterodox about Third World (even Muslim) immigration into Europe or America (such as ending it and encouraging such immigrants to go back).

Anonymous TLM April 16, 2012 9:26 PM  

Bobert

Mind your business Sir White Knight of Betaville. Let Smart Pants defend the obvious contradictions I pointed out in his superior Asian society. If you're gonna take potshots at whitey, be prepared to defend your position in the face of overwhelmingly contradictory observable evidence. In other words, quit acting like such a fag.

Anonymous zen0 April 16, 2012 9:50 PM  

Mark Steyn - as Lawrence Auster has noted many times - never actually says anything really heterodox about Third World (even Muslim) immigration into Europe or America (such as ending it and encouraging such immigrants to go back).

Have you not heard of America Alone, for which Steyn has been excoriated as anti-muslim??

Blogger dubeaux April 16, 2012 10:04 PM  

zen0: Yes, I've heard of America Alone. Yes, Steyn was excoriated - by the Left. Did he recommend anything other than the usual neocon nostrums (like assimilation or more vigorous prosecution of the GWOT)) to solve the Muslim problem?

Anonymous Smarty Pants April 16, 2012 10:56 PM  

@TLM

I pretty sure whites are more represented among the lower classes, cleaners, prostitutes, violent criminals, non-violent criminals and fast food workers per capita. Not to mention that your women are easier and fatter. Not all Asians are smarter than all whites but on average they are and at the higher levels of intellect they outnumber whites 4 to 1. Deal with it. Your time on top is slowly coming to an end.

Whites can go after Asian women all they like we have plenty for ourselves, all your doing is making yourselves less white by marrying and breeding with them. Also through choosing Asian women use are admitting there superiority to white women.

Anonymous zen0 April 16, 2012 11:02 PM  

I pretty sure whites are more represented among the lower classes, cleaners, prostitutes, violent criminals, non-violent criminals and fast food workers per capita.

Well, that pretty much categorized you as a statistical idiot.

But carry on...maybe we can discover other categories of idiocy that you are capable of.

Anonymous Smarty Pants April 16, 2012 11:31 PM  

Doesn't really Zeno since the statement is true. If you adjust for population size whites would be over represented in those things in relation to Asians. They would be underrepresented in relation in jobs that require high intellect as well in relation to Asians. Obviously the fact that this is a majority white nation will factor into it but still doesn't refute the point.

Anonymous Smarty Pants April 16, 2012 11:43 PM  

You are happy to point out how much smarter you are than blacks but as soon as it is pointed out that use are much dumber than Asians you get pissed off. The fact is the only thing that made whites special was Christianity and without that your civilization is inferior to Asia's. The inane watered down Christianity embraced by Americans isn't enough to stop your demise though.

Your raw capabilities in relation to Asians mean you won't be able to compete when you lose the advantage you have at the moment. That advantage will be gone when the financial collapse happens.

Anonymous Josh April 17, 2012 12:26 AM  

A bigger surprise to me was THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE. In the comments to Noah Millman's blog entry, a solid majority denounced Derbyshire, again often in emotional, self-righteous terms. I had not realized that the politically correct view of race (i.e., no heritable racial differences exist, they are culturally determined and low black IQ & high black crime is due to past racism) was so dominant there.

Noah Millman is AmCon's resident liberal, fwiw...

Blogger dubeaux April 17, 2012 12:48 AM  

Josh: Didn't know Millman was the resident liberal at TAC. I know Dreher is the resident milquetoast...but I digress. Anyway, thanks.

Millman's critique of Derbyshire's article is milder than most and much milder than some of the comments to his critique.

Looks like - on some issues, with some writers - TAC is going all wobbly.

Anonymous Poli_Mis April 17, 2012 6:39 AM  

I noticed how you seemed to compliment what a sense of urgency the Indians have. Maybe always living and working with a sense of urgency is not healthy, spiritually, mentally, or physically. I find it hilarious that on a libertarian blog you glorify some of the most overworked, exploited, beaten-down slaves on the planet. Have fun working 100 hrs/week only to watch most of your alleged productivity get given to your massively overpaid CEO's and stolen via inflation. And the rest can be spent on health care conditions due to stress and overwork.


Glad I amuse you. But you simply have no friggin' idea what you are talking about. Your generalities bear no witness to my or my companies' reality.

I work for one of the best tech companies in existence today. Every one of our employees has a wonderful standard of living in the over 100 countries we have offices. Further, maybe you are one of those sad blokes who didn't get to choose your career -- perhaps it chose you. Maybe you don't even have a 'career' but really have a string of jobs that you simply must perform. I don't know or care. As for me, I have a career doing something I love. I get to solve problems and make it possible for people all over the world to travel for business or pleasure. No, I don't work too hard. I have seen a company more committed to work-life balance. I nearly get to do anything I want. And get paid handsomely for it. I know I am lucky. But I also know that I created every bit of this so-called luck.

Bobert, if you are challenging me to 'whip it out' to see whose Libertarianism is 'bigger' then I can assure you I would win. Stop making broad claims about slavery. You sound like a jackass. My Indian colleagues don't make candles for Pier One. They are all highly intelligent technology workers who live a lifestyle that one generation ago seemed like science fiction. Maybe you should stop purchasing your housewares at WalMart if you are so concerned about the plight of the oppressed. Again, don't know or care.

I am about as tired as I can be with this back and forth ...

Anonymous Poli_Mis April 17, 2012 6:44 AM  

"I have seen a company more committed to work-life balance."

That should read: I have never seen a company more committed to work-life balance.

Blogger Markku April 17, 2012 9:04 AM  

Well English isn't my first language.

It's even easier then, since you have to approach foreign languages more logically. An apostrophe denotes one or more omitted letters, except for its usage for the possessive case.

"You're" is "You are" with the space and "a" replaced by the apostrophe.

Blogger Markku April 17, 2012 9:18 AM  

As for "its" vs. "it's", it's a bit more complicated. "It's" would be a consistent way to express both "it is" with the space and "s" omitted, or the possessive case for "it". However, there is no other possible way to express the omission, but there is one for expressing the possessive. Since the possessive for "he" is "his" and "our" is "ours", it is logical that the possessive for "it" should be "its".

So, the principle is, abbreviation by apostrophe is less flexible, so that if the word you're thinking of could represent abbreviation, then it does represent it. The other word represents the possessive.

Blogger Markku April 17, 2012 9:31 AM  

The space and "i" omitted, that is.

Anonymous civilServant April 17, 2012 12:01 PM  

Indeed. But I also wonder what good it is to warn the youth-

Because in that small moment of decision, it might be remembered.


Correct. Even those who rebel against what you say precisely because you say it will reach a point when they realize they are failing. They will then cast about for another approach. If you have told them what is right and wrong and have told them what actions to take and not to take they will recall it.

Anonymous Emperor of Icecream April 17, 2012 12:56 PM  

NR should have purged Derbyshire back when he wrote that A Brave New World sounded just fine to him.

Instead they published the piece.

Blogger Marc B April 17, 2012 5:38 PM  

"WATYF: After all, the Jews and the Arabs clearly share a common ancestor, and yet their societies are vastly different in terms of "civility"."

Long after the separation of the tribes (as reported in the bible), Arabs were the leading importer of Sub-Saharan African slaves into Arab lands for centuries. Jews, on the other hand, moved from Babylonian captivity and into Eastern and Central Europe, mixing some with indigenous populations.

Those imported African slaves were absorbed into and mixed with Arab populations, producing Arabs with a darker complexion (among other traits) due to a significant Sub-Saharan admixture. Arabs without this African admixture can easily be mistaken for Europeans. The gulf between Jews and Arabs in the year 2012 can easily be explained by the over five centuries of intense Arab miscegenation with blacks.

Anonymous Geoff-UK April 17, 2012 6:07 PM  

@Smarty Pants

Up front, I admire the Chinese and Japanese inventions throughout history. But to predict the future, those indicators of IQ are meaningless. In fact, IQ as a predictor of genetic success is meaningless.

Average Asians may indeed be smarter than the average Caucasian. This is irrelevant to their future success as a group (genetically speaking) unless that IQ is applied to war. Success is defined biologically as existing:
Crocodile = very successful, millions of years, yadda yadda yadda.
Dodo bird = not so much.

Demography is Destiny. You either wipe out competitors via war, or you out-breed them. Or both.

Remains to be seen whether Canadiens, Hispanics, Western Europe descendants, Indians, Muslims, or what-have-you will win. If there was a way to put money on it and live to see the outcome in 200 years, I would, sadly, have to put my money on Muslims. They have no qualms about out-breeding the rest of the world, out-emigrating from their sheiss countries and into Western Civ-based countries, nor do they have a problem killing non-Muslims in ever increasing numbers. They don't have to be rocket scientists to kill everyone outside their gene pool. Watch "Idiocracy" to get a taste of what the world's future is probably like. It ain't gonna be The Jetsons.

Anonymous cherub's revenge April 17, 2012 8:12 PM  

Those imported African slaves were absorbed into and mixed with Arab populations, producing Arabs with a darker complexion (among other traits) due to a significant Sub-Saharan admixture. Arabs without this African admixture can easily be mistaken for Europeans. The gulf between Jews and Arabs in the year 2012 can easily be explained by the over five centuries of intense Arab miscegenation with blacks.

Arabs were fairly well known for castrating their male Sub-Saharan African slaves. The Arab group with the highest known Sub-Saharan admixture is the Bedouins at around 2%.

What's your definition of "significant"?

Anonymous Bobert April 18, 2012 8:11 PM  

@Poli_Mis

Every one of our employees has a wonderful standard of living in the over 100 countries we have offices.

I wonder what *wonderful* tech company is? All I see out in the tech world is sweatshop conditions, having escaped such a situation myself. I would love for there to be sufficient counterexamples, but it seems like everywhere I look I see abuse and horrible working conditions. Our consultants in hyerabad were in hte office for telemeetings with us at 11:00pm their time and they came into the office normal time. They literally worked 16-18 hour days, 6 to 7 days a week. IT is the field that coined the term "death march" in a modern corporate context.

Anonymous Poli_Mis April 19, 2012 6:12 AM  

@Bobert

If I knew you, I would tell you. I prefer to keep some level of anonymity as the world devolves into madness that will likely soon seek out online histories of 'hate speech' for prosecution or at least speech that needs re-education. But trust me, we are definitely an exception. The chairman and CEO (serious multi-millionaire) drives a Jeep Wrangler with a hunting sticker on it. He means it. There is no Maserati in his driveway.

When we have quarterly all-hands meetings, they are given at polar opposite ends of the day. One in the morning in the US. The other late at night for those in Asia. That's right, the CEO puts himself out to deliver another presentation late at night because the people in Asia are just as important to the company as their US counterparts. No bull.

Also, I want to point out that my entire team was moments ago kicked out of a conference room where we were really hot and heavy in a working session because the German office's Yoga instructor arrived and that is where they do that oh-so-productive stuff in the middle of the workday.

Anonymous Poli_Mis April 19, 2012 6:15 AM  

@Bobert

Oh. We are not publicly traded. That means a lot. All those sweatshops were likely publicly traded. I have never worked for a publicly traded company. Perhaps that is why my life is so damned charmed.

Blogger David B Marshall June 14, 2012 6:27 PM  

The word is "fired," not "purged." NR is a business, not a totalitarian political party, and John Derbyshire didn't wind up behind barbed wire in Siberia. "Stalinist?" Poppycock. No business is obliged to buy essays from John Derbyshire, much as I enjoyed many of them.

Anonymous Anonymous July 04, 2012 3:40 PM  

The thing that really struck me in this whole thing, and I've probably read at least 50 web pages and articles discussing it, is that nobody ever said Derb was wrong. They called him a monster, they called him a racist, and they called him a bigot, but I never saw one person say "Your concerns are unfounded and I can show you why."

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This is the best comment I have read about this sorry affair, and one of the best I have read about the censorship of political correctness.

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