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Saturday, April 07, 2012

Profiles in intellectual courage

The NRO crew provides some striking profiles in intellectual courage:

"Does @NRO want to be associated with someone who publishes racist trash like this? I know I don't"
- Ramesh Ponnuru

"For the record, I find my colleague John Derbyshire's piece fundamentally indefensible and offensive. I wish he hadn't written it."
- Jonah Goldberg

"Needless to say, no one at National Review shares Derb’s appalling view of what parents supposedly should tell their kids about blacks in this instantly notorious piece here."
- Rich Lowry

"Why National Review must fire John Derbyshire"
- Josh Barro

Apparently these various National Review writers want Americans to remain trapped in the same clueless, post-racial, Orwellian delusion they have inhabited for the last fifty years. And yet, John Derbyshire's article that has inspired such rabid ritual denunciation is little more than a calm and perfectly reasonable collection of observable realities of race in America:
(6) As you go through life, however, you will experience an ever larger number of encounters with black Americans. Assuming your encounters are random—for example, not restricted only to black convicted murderers or to black investment bankers—the Law of Large Numbers will inevitably kick in. You will observe that the means—the averages—of many traits are very different for black and white Americans, as has been confirmed by methodical inquiries in the human sciences.

(11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites. The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81; forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in countless everyday situations.
This isn't the first time I've been pleased that I write for WND and not NRO. Now, in the past, I have been urged by some to abandon what they errantly consider to be my "support for segregation". What they fail to understand is that I don't support segregation per se. I don't actually have a position on it, any more than I have a position on gravity or oxygen. There is nothing to support, there is only an observation to be made: Humanity is intrinsically and naturally self-segregating. It is desegregation that is unnatural, that requires the imposition of force to maintain for even brief periods, and which is both inherently unstable and antithetical to the collective will of every people on the planet.

My own perspective should be perfectly clear, but I shall elucidate it anyhow. Due to past desegregation imposed by force of one kind or another, be it private action or government policy, rapid large scale segregation is going to take place because the vast majority of people on every possible side find it to be desirable. That future segregation is going to be either voluntary or involuntary, and will be either violent or non-violent. Therefore, government policies should, to the greatest extent possible, be strongly biased towards voluntary, non-violent, and gradual segregation in order to reduce the risk of rapidly destabilizing multi-ethnic and multi-racial societies.

Multiculturalism is dead. Desegregation is dead. MLK's dream is dead, and more importantly, it was never more than wishful thinking anyhow. Racial equality is the same failed myth as every other aspect of human equality, none of which have ever been shown to exist in any tangible form. And all that dropping weak-kneed to one's fainting couch or clinging to the oft-disproven canards of the racial equalitarians will achieve is to increase the level of violence and amount of involuntary cooperation that will eventually be required to recreate the historic balances that were originally brought about by the natural processes of group behavior. The American black/white situation is only one, and one of the smaller and less problematic, of the resegregations that should probably be anticipated in the medium term.

Ponnuru, Goldberg, Lowry, and Barro have humiliated themselves with their craven responses. John Derbyshire is not merely right, but it is not even remotely reasonable to pretend that he is incorrect in any significant detail. The truth is what it is, and it will usually come out in the end no matter how desperately the children try to cling to their fairy tales. Pointing and shrieking "RACISS" is the modern equivalent of crying "WITCH" at the height of the Salem witch trials... and is not going to change the probable course of future events in the least.

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Anonymous Holla April 07, 2012 9:38 AM  

What's ironic is that Derb has been pulling the authentically Progressive line for years - he's a racist, xenophobic atheist who loves eugenics and hates immigration. NRO looked the other way, probably because they're too illiterate to parse his screeds. I'm glad he's finally dropped all attempts at subterfuge though and just went for broke.

I'm sure Taki's Magazine will put put his kids though college.

Lulz!

Blogger Vox April 07, 2012 9:41 AM  

I'm glad he's finally dropped all attempts at subterfuge though and just went for broke.

He's 70 and he's got cancer. I suspect he no longer cares to play the media career game. Still, it's impressive how fast the yapping dogs turn on their own.

Anonymous Holla April 07, 2012 9:49 AM  

Is Derb really "one of their own," or a left-over from the WFB days?

Despite my disagreeing with him in every possible way on every possible subject, he's got class and genuine intellect, which none of the NRO brats can claim.

Anonymous zen0 April 07, 2012 9:57 AM  

Pat Buchanan on why profiling blacks is a most rational response

He's got crime stats on his side.

Anonymous Anonymous April 07, 2012 9:57 AM  

As a 55 yr old southerner, I experienced the joys of desegregation in 1970. Mr. Derbishire's article reflects my experience of being bused to an inner-city high school to achieve racial balance. I sent the article to my kids, since he wrote the issues more succinctly than I have ever seen.

Anonymous zen0 April 07, 2012 9:59 AM  

Holla April 07, 2012 9:49 AM

Is Derb really "one of their own," or a left-over from the WFB days?

Despite my disagreeing with him in every possible way on every possible subject, he's got class and genuine intellect, which none of the NRO brats can claim.


Pretty transparent, there, Holla.
You are like Jon Stewart featuring Ron Paul.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza April 07, 2012 10:01 AM  

It is amazing American media still airs nonsensical speeches from the 1960's with worship. It is really getting old.

My 'celebrating courage' file just got bigger.

Anonymous Orville April 07, 2012 10:02 AM  

Damn the messenger and ignore the message. Aside from the factual racial differences, the black culture is broken. I don't hate black's but I despise the existing culture. I believe I read in the last week that now 74% of all black births are out of wedlock, essentially single parent families, with no sound male influence to properly shape the next generation. Problem is that cultural cancer is spreading to Hispanic and white races too.

It's obvious at this point that race wars are coming (again) to the USA. Kansas City had them in the 60's when I was in the 5th grade. Schools were shut down for weeks, and my dad had to be very careful of what route he took to work in the city.

Anonymous Anonymous April 07, 2012 10:06 AM  

He's right. Many of those who agree with him will publicly state otherwise. The possible punishments and retaliations levied against those who aren't independently wealthy or self-supporting will scare most of those who agree to disavow him. A charge of racism or prejudice would destroy my career, which is why this a posted anonymously.

Blogger Robert April 07, 2012 10:07 AM  

I wonder if NRO would host a debate on whether segregation was actually better for blacks than "desegregation"? Why not? And MLK's goofy rainbow dreams were not wishful thinking, but lies to get white liberal support. Perhaps having a quasi-black President has actually been a step forward to a truly just society, where each ethnicity can govern itself in largely separate domains. God knows what we're trying now isn't working, for most of us, white and black.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus April 07, 2012 10:07 AM  

Let's face it - if the folks at NRO were honest, every last mother's son among them would admit to giving their kids the EXACT SAME ADVICE.

Anonymous Anonymous April 07, 2012 10:20 AM  

Luther's dream was that we could live as equals, not that we all are equal. It was based on the fact Christianity could rise people above their genetic limitations. With America's rejection of Christianity it was inevitable the dream would die.

Anonymous The One April 07, 2012 10:21 AM  

Above post was mine. Apparently my name had illegal characters earlier. Okay?

Anonymous Holla April 07, 2012 10:34 AM  

"Pretty transparent, there, Holla.
You are like Jon Stewart featuring Ron Paul." - Weeno

What, you mean respecting people who formulate views which run contrary to mine solely on the basis of their good faith and intellectual honesty? Is transparent? Have I ever said anything different?

For example, I'd never say the same thing about you.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box April 07, 2012 10:38 AM  

Much accuracy here.
The elephant (or HYENA, rather) in the middle of the room is the willful ignorance of Khazakh-Papists like HITLERyClit who brought US the multiCULTi/PC/feminStaazi bullshit stories, and hypocrite preachers like Jackson & Sharpton out there creating the racism they claim to oppose for filthy lucre's sake - BOTH of which merit contempt!
The former is a traitor to her country and her race, the latter are the epitome of avarice and betrayal.
All these enciters of the public ignorant are our ruin!

Anonymous cherub's revenge April 07, 2012 10:41 AM  

I think it was Paul Gottfried who once observed that National Review exists to "throw conservatives under the bus".

Anonymous Pablo April 07, 2012 10:41 AM  

Multiculturalism has always been doomed to fail. It's like a 6th grade classroom wherein the teacher tells the students that each student must be friends with all of the other students in the classroom, knowing damn well that it's unenforceable and that natural divisions will make themselves apparent in the schoolyard at recess.

It irks me to no end that some progressive idiot somewhere is getting paid by the taxpayer to promote such an ideology.

Anonymous Mr Green Man April 07, 2012 10:41 AM  

All of this became clear to me one day when I made a website for an alumni association of a historically black college.

Apart from meeting in a "Christian" church that had more city council election posters and "Black Power" and "No To White Influence" signs than crosses, I was third on the agenda, which meant that I got to hear them talk about how:

1) First, in the upcoming election, they wanted the whites the hell out, and they wanted to be left alone to make their own enclave.

2) Second, as it came to education, they wanted the white recruiters the hell out of their high schools. They understood that their kids who got sent off to Harvard or Yale or Berkeley, unless they were on a sports team, quickly became grist for the White Liberal Guilt Industry and a desire to have the right "complexion" on campus, regardless of the individual results of education for those people.

I walked away understanding: Most groups want to be left the hell alone to do their own thing; they just don't like the idea of the government telling them they have to be separate or integrated. It's a shame they went on to elect the same people who gin up grievances to get government money to give to the politically connected.

Anonymous CrisisEraDynamo April 07, 2012 10:47 AM  

You say segregation is like gravity or oxygen.

What, then, do you make of the increasing rates of interracial marriage, as well as no social stigma surrounding such a thing?

Anonymous zen0 April 07, 2012 11:04 AM  

Have I ever said anything different?

Have you ever said anything useful?

Anonymous alexamenos April 07, 2012 11:04 AM  

What, then, do you make of the increasing rates of interracial marriage, as well as no social stigma surrounding such a thing?

Could it be that marriage today isn't what marriage was yesterday? If marriage signifies nothing more than cohabitating f-buddies, then today's interracial couple isn't all that different from, say, Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings.

Anonymous Anonymous April 07, 2012 11:08 AM  

Agree with the poster above that only Christianity as a common bond can overcome the "natural" forces to segregate.

Secular integration is forced and results in the sum total being less than the individual parts.

If I'm not mistaken one of the main commie atheists used desegregation as a tool to weaken some countries/peoples he was fearful of.

Blogger Vox April 07, 2012 11:08 AM  

What, then, do you make of the increasing rates of interracial marriage, as well as no social stigma surrounding such a thing?

First, you're crazy if you think there is no social stigma. Second, the increasing rates, which are still very low at around 2% for whites, have to do with immigration, not any progressive ideals. Whites are 3x more likely to marry Asians than blacks, for example, so the more Asians and Hispanics, the more "interracial" marriage there is. It doesn't mean whites are any more inclined to marry blacks than before.

Anonymous hood April 07, 2012 11:11 AM  

"no social stigma"

denying gravity doesn't mean you can fly.

Anonymous Stingray April 07, 2012 11:11 AM  

He's 70 and he's got cancer.

He's 70?! Wow. I used to read NRO pretty religiously before I started reading here. I haven't in quite some time. I remember Derb posting pics of his daughter shooting and talking about his wife. She seemed like a great lady and that they have a great family. I wish him well with his cancer and hope it is treatable.

Did anyone at NRO get his back? Williamson?

Anonymous The other skeptic April 07, 2012 11:15 AM  


The American black/white situation is only one, and one of the smaller and less problematic, of the desegregations that should probably be anticipated in the medium term.


What, then, do you consider the larger and more problematic desegregations?

Anonymous alexamenos April 07, 2012 11:16 AM  

Also, good for Derbs taking one for the team on his way out.

Let the NRO go ape-stuff and kick him out of their little club.

It seems to me that the NRO, the New Republic, the Huffington Post, etc. are all basically one big club (which is divided into cliques).

Members of the club must distinguish themselves from dumb white trash. Because dumb white trash are most likely to live in close to black and brown, they're also most likely to hold race realist "aka, raciss" views.

So, members of the club distinguish themselves from the white trash by denouncing raciss. Derb's sin, then, was to open club doors to white trash.

Anonymous Cryan Ryan April 07, 2012 11:17 AM  

Good ol' Derb.

His column will be forwarded far and wide.

Wise folks will heed the advice. Dumbasses will continue muddling along.

Blogger bluespapa April 07, 2012 11:38 AM  

Half a truth is a lie.

Integration us as old as history, and forced segregation is usually more appalling, more destructive, and more bloody than forced integration. Multicultural communities are as old as civilization, and the urge to cleanse them as recent as the morning news.

History isn't half the truth. Propaganda is.

Anonymous Anonymous April 07, 2012 11:40 AM  

Reverse trayvon martin incident:

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/crime/taco-bell-shooting-victim-was-holding-leash-not-weapon-4-4-2012

Black man sitting in his car at taco bell, shoots hispanic man who was walking his dog, claims self defense, not arrested.

Blogger Baloo April 07, 2012 11:44 AM  

Agree, agree, agree. I've linked to this with heaps of links to other commentary, sane and otherwise, here:
http://ex-army.blogspot.com/2012/04/expecting-spanish-inquisition.html

Anonymous The Logical German April 07, 2012 11:50 AM  

In America interracial marriages make up one in seven of all marriages and have nearly doubled in occurrence over the last thirty years. From 2008, 22 percent of black male newlyweds, which is more than one in five, married a woman who was not black.

http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2010/06/interracial-marriage-rate-increases-to-one-in-seven/

Anonymous Anonymous April 07, 2012 11:52 AM  

Desegregation is terrible and dangerous. My mother, stepfather, father, etc all have stories about being forced to go to some black school across town just to even things out or horror stories about small race riots.

My mother staid home for weeks after she walked down a flight of stairs and saw a black kid with a small ax sticking out of his afro. This was after spending her entire life in Catholic school. This was in Brooklyn, the nations great "MELTING POT".

Nonsense.

Blogger John Regan April 07, 2012 11:55 AM  

I'll agree with you about one thing: shouting down this kind of conversation is a bad idea. These opinions need to be aired out.

I have to disagree about nearly everything else. Segregation is prevalent as a primitive impulse; it is not "natural" or rational. Standing alone, exchange between people of different abilities and aptitudes whether culturally or in economic trade has been an unambiguous good throughout human history. We're better off when we transcend tribalism rather than remain mired in it.

You might also consider the fact that genetic flaws are associated with a gene pool that is too narrow, not one that is too broad. This suggests that rigid tribalism and segregation is actually harmful to the species.

And as far as "intelligence" goes, we have our measures and they are limited and imperfect. Dyslexic people can be very intelligent but since they can't absorb information and understanding well by reading, a written test cannot fairly assess their intelligence.

I won't dispute that there are racial disparities in intelligence as we usually measure it, but you and Derbyshire and others make too much of it. Ultimately intelligence is about understanding reality. Sometimes that is best done through abstractions and written communication, but not always. People who come by their understanding differently are not really less intelligent for that reason. They may not be less intelligent at all.

In any case, it seems to me that these are points worth exploring, but such conversations are invariably strangled in the crib. And that's what's really unfortunate about episodes like the Derbyshire flap.

Anonymous VD April 07, 2012 12:00 PM  

In America interracial marriages make up one in seven of all marriages and have nearly doubled in occurrence over the last thirty years.

You're underlining my point. It's mostly non-white people marrying other non-white people. When an Arab immigrant woman marries a Black man, it's an interracial marriage. But it doesn't change the fact that very few whites are marrying non-whites. The main increase with whites is white men marrying Asian women, which is about half of all male interracial marriages.

Anonymous CatDog April 07, 2012 12:01 PM  

"You might also consider the fact that genetic flaws are associated with a gene pool that is too narrow, not one that is too broad. This suggests that rigid tribalism and segregation is actually harmful to the species."

It does in relation to medical health but there is in fact a correlation between a narrow gene pool and high intellect.

Anonymous MadFrog April 07, 2012 12:01 PM  

I've always been curious how many whites truly believe O'Brien is holding up five fingers.

Blogger Ghost April 07, 2012 12:07 PM  

One of the biggest problems facing my children's generation is that they are being told to love and respect everyone no matter what, while the black kids in the same class are being taught that white people are evil and would enslave them again in a heartbeat.

When I was in high school, the whites sat with whites, blacks with blacks, Asians with Asians, Latinos with Latinos, down syndrome with down syndrome. If the school had forced as to have multicultural seating arrangements in the lunch room, it would have been violent and messy.

Anonymous The Logical German April 07, 2012 12:10 PM  

I don't really get why you seem to not be bothered by some forms of interracial marriage but against others. Surly any white person marrying out side of there race is a bad thing, since there are so few of us in the world at the moment in relation to those of other races. On top of that there children in a lot of cases will marry whites. Also with the lower birth rates in Western white nations this makes the problem even worse.

I don't even know if a lot of Americans should even qualify as white anyway, since a significant amount of them have Native American ancestry.

Anonymous The other skeptic April 07, 2012 12:11 PM  

Found an on-line version of An Economic History of Rome and it does not seem to be scanned, so it might play well with my Kindle.

Anonymous The other skeptic April 07, 2012 12:14 PM  

Anonymous April 07, 2012 11:40 AM

Reverse trayvon martin incident:

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/crime/taco-bell-shooting-victim-was-holding-leash-not-weapon-4-4-2012

Black man sitting in his car at taco bell, shoots hispanic man who was walking his dog, claims self defense, not arrested.


That was clearly preemptive self defense. The Hispanic was thinking about using the dog to attack the black.

Anonymous Slartibartfast April 07, 2012 12:28 PM  

Lowrys' post at NRO will not allow comments.

Blogger John Regan April 07, 2012 12:29 PM  

@CatDog: Narrow gene pools are associated with anomalies, including high intellect but also including imbecility and retardation. The occasional genius aside I don't think there's any rational, evidence based argument that a narrow gene pool is better than a broad one. Quite the contrary.

Blogger JD Curtis April 07, 2012 12:32 PM  

The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites

Yet I believe that the disparity was not so great in years past. For instance...

"...test results in which literate black draftees from a few northern states outscored white draftees from several southern states. Blacks draftees from New York, for instance, scored higher than white draftees from Mississippi, Louisiana, and Arkansas, while black draftees from Illinois could add Alabama and Kentucky to that list. Black conscripts from Ohio received even higher scores, bettering white draftees from all the previously mentioned states as well as Oklahoma, Texas and Tennessee (Yerkes, 1921, 690-91, tables 205, 206)" Link

I think this has more to do with the decline of the nuclear family than anything else. That and the intervention of leftists on education policy matters.

Anonymous T14 April 07, 2012 12:37 PM  

Yet the keep they'll keep the vomitous Kathryn Jean Lopez? Aka "soldiers shouldn't be tainted by playboy!" lady?

I had no idea the good Derb had cancer. A shame. He was a stunningly bright man for a non-German white.

Anonymous Jim April 07, 2012 12:45 PM  

You may not be interested in tribalism, but tribalism is interested in you. You can be friends with people from other races, enjoy each others company, spend a lot of time together, but when the chips are down they are going to side with their own race over you. I've seen it repeatedly and had it happen to me personally.

Blogger RobertT April 07, 2012 12:45 PM  

The lengths to which political correctness will go, even in supposed bastions of conservative thought, never fails to amaze me. Killing the messenger has not been a good idea since the Persians turned it into an art. The pillorying of a decent man for speaking the truth is unfortunate. I myself have wondered what I would think if I were in Zimmerman's shoes - accused of murder for defending myself from certain murder by millions who are being encouraged by the President, the media and every black politician in America to string you up without benefit of trial or even consideration of the evidence. They want Zimmerman's blood.

I would certainly be fired for the thoughts I've been having.

Too bad more people don't have similar thoughts.

Anonymous Anonymous April 07, 2012 12:52 PM  

If I were Zimmerman I would claim Trayvon called me a wetback and enlist La Raza.

Blogger Jehu April 07, 2012 12:53 PM  

May God bless John Derbyshire.

Blogger RobertT April 07, 2012 12:55 PM  

Finally NRO is getting some on line readership. Their servers are clogged, at least the link to Derb's article is. Good for Derb.

Anonymous CatDog April 07, 2012 1:07 PM  

@John Regan: It depends on just how narrow the gene pool is. If it is to the degree that they are engaging in incest then yes retardation is a problem, but if it is just between people with the same ethic background then it has been showing to correlate with having a larger intellect.

Anonymous Outlaw X April 07, 2012 1:13 PM  

This isn't the first time I've been pleased that I write for WND and not NRO. Now, in the past, I have been urged by some to abandon what they errantly consider to be my "support for segregation". What they fail to understand is that I don't support segregation per se. I don't actually have a position on it, any more than I have a position on gravity or oxygen. There is nothing to support, there is only an observation to be made: Humanity is intrinsically and naturally self-segregating.

Is this why I Hate Yankees and Californians moving to Texas? Boy I hate them. Is I racist?

Anonymous Outlaw X April 07, 2012 1:24 PM  

Vox, I hope that paragraph I quoted goes down in History. It is probably the most brilliant thing you ever wrote (not for sure). "Position on on oxygen and gravity". That is above the fold of any writer I have read. It is so GK Chesterton.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein April 07, 2012 1:40 PM  

"Surly any white person marrying out side of there race is a bad thing, since there are so few..." Stop calling me "Surly"...

Anonymous bw April 07, 2012 1:59 PM  

and don't call me "Surly"...

You almost pulled off a classic. Precision is needed!

Blogger LonewackoDotCom April 07, 2012 2:30 PM  

The reaction to Derb's piece shows yet again why the TPers need to be opposed. They're supposed to be TrueConservatives and the OneAndOnlyTrueOpposition to the far-left. Yet, none of them are capable of pushing back against Derb's critics effective. Not only that, but they aren't willing to do it, they can't see the value in it, and they can't and won't help those (like me) who could do effective pushback against Derb's critics.

If you want to strike back at the far-left, the TPers aren't on your side.

Anonymous Sojourner April 07, 2012 2:47 PM  

Listen to Derb Radio every Friday/Saturday (whenever I have the time). Man opened my eyes to a great many things and I find it an utter shame he is agnostic (He never sounded like a man who flat out denied God). He has never mentioned (that I can recall) that he has cancer. More power to him and may these fools who jump ship so quickly get what's coming to them.

Blogger kurt9 April 07, 2012 2:55 PM  

It should be noted that Derbyshire is married to a Chinese lady and has mixed-race kids. Just how much of a "segregationist" or "racist" can he be?

Anonymous Anonymous April 07, 2012 3:05 PM  

you're going to "elucidate.." ?

Anonymous 11B April 07, 2012 3:22 PM  

JD Curtis April 07, 2012 12:32 PM

The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites

Yet I believe that the disparity was not so great in years past. For instance...

"...test results in which literate black draftees from a few northern states outscored white draftees from several southern states.


Why did the researcher specifically write "literate black draftees" and "white draftees"? Does this mean they chose a population of literate blacks to compare IQs with illiterate whites? Given the data was from WW1, I am sure a significant number of draftees were indeed illiterate.

Anonymous Anonymous April 07, 2012 3:30 PM  

Can anyone recall an article that dealt with whenever people are outraged over some "racist" thing someone has written that it is always referred to as a "screed" among other things. I vaguely recall the article being titled Anti-Anti-Racism something.

Anonymous Anonymous April 07, 2012 3:33 PM  

It should be noted that Derbyshire is married to a Chinese lady and has mixed-race kids. Just how much of a "segregationist" or "racist" can he be?

That's been brought up a few times by the people who are outraged at Derb and it is prefaced by, "Not that it should matter but..."

They see their white whale, nothing is going to get between them and that.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein April 07, 2012 3:54 PM  

@ bw Mea culpa! Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop using Google quotes.....

Anonymous Sojourner April 07, 2012 4:17 PM  

Fun times reading the twitter reactions (posted at the very bottom of the comments of the article). Idiots will yell the loudest but most sane people just nod in agreement. I love the reaction to the stay away from large concentrations of blacks. They're outraged yet I guarantee most have never been in such a grouping.

Anonymous Anonymous April 07, 2012 4:21 PM  

For me, all links to Derbyshire's article in question are blocked including the one on this page. I can go to his web site and pull up other articles written by him but not this one. What gives?

Anonymous C bowen April 07, 2012 4:27 PM  

“Tell me where Jesus would allow drug dealing on the corner? Tell me where Jesus would allow people to shoot guns for no reason, missing and then hitting a child who is paralyzed for life? And we don’t do anything but have a funeral. But let a cop shoot [a black man], and you set his car on fire and burn up the police stations. Contradictions."

Bill Cosby 2011

It would appear there is nothing unusual about Derb's advice.

Anonymous Anonymous April 07, 2012 4:37 PM  

Funny, can't read the article.

Anonymous Anonymous April 07, 2012 4:42 PM  

Lowrys' post at NRO will not allow comments.

But his previous post does - to which I submitted the following:

You're a coward, Lowry. Not allowing comments on your dutiful swipe against Derbyshire speaks volumes. You obviously realize there will be a backlash. Political correctness makes filthy politicians out of everyone who cave to it, and villains out of everyone who doesn't. Conservatives like you are only interested in conserving your own asses. It is this witch hunt against Derbyshire that is appalling, but it is not surprising. If there was any real opposition to stinking leftist ideals, propaganda and lies, this country would not be in its current state. As such, you're nothing but a useless bag of hot air.

Comments must be moderated. It has not yet been posted. I will be surprised if it is.

Anonymous Idle Spectator April 07, 2012 4:45 PM  

This man Derbyshire has some very, very, very, big balls.

I bet he uses his balls as a pillow at night. The subtle heat of the epididymis and gubernaculum and the soft compression of the testes nourishes his comfort for a gigantic brain. I bet he uses his balls to knock out hippies and multiculturalists cold, lobbing them like he would a weaponized yo-yo with a tenuous spermatic cord.


I say what I say under the name of a simple Spectator in the Arena of Faux Pas. He does it in a magazine under his full name.

Anonymous Anonymous April 07, 2012 4:45 PM  

Takimag appears to be down. I'm surprised it handled the load as well as it did so far.

Anonymous Anonymous April 07, 2012 4:48 PM  

You are right, Derb does have big brass ones. I was always surprised NR didn't firing him over appearing at HL Mencken Club conferences.
http://www.hlmenckenclub.org/

If anyone remembers, Sam Francis was done in by Dinesh D'Souza for attending an AmRen conference or something.

Blogger davemartin7777 April 07, 2012 4:48 PM  

Racists will always say or do racist things while denying they are racists, that's part of the racist game.

Most everyone has racist thoughts in their head, what make you a racist is whether you act on them or not.

I've once worked with a racist in the cancer treatment field. Everyone white was treated with courtesy, everyone in a minority, gay, brown or black was treated rudely... they thought that was just the way he was with everyone but I knew better.

Anonymous Sojourner April 07, 2012 4:58 PM  

So sure enough The Blaze has an article on the hoopla and as I was scanning down I came across this post: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/woman-facing-felony-charges-after-waitress-is-attacked-for-delivering-wrong-order-at-red-lobster/ Before I even opened it up I said, "Guarantee they're black women." Sure enough. I mean, when will people finally have the scales fall from their eyes?

Anonymous Idle Spectator April 07, 2012 5:10 PM  

"Racists will always say or do racist things while denying they are racists, that's part of the racist game."

So avoiding large groups of blacks in an effort to avoid violent crime is a game now. HOW FUN! We should turn it into a video game. Bring the beer.

"I've once worked with a racist in the cancer treatment field."

Then you should know better than anyone that malignant cancer rates vary from race to race. MOTHER NATURE? YOU BE RACISS!!!

Anonymous realmatt April 07, 2012 5:36 PM  

@ John Regan

Whether it's better to set aside differences or not, even the glaringly obvious ones, the fact remains that this is the world and denying reality is dangerous and stupid.

Enjoying another cultures' arts and crafts is not the same as wanting to live with them. That's what vacations are for.

Anonymous realmatt April 07, 2012 5:41 PM  

You're underlining my point. It's mostly non-white people marrying other non-white people. When an Arab immigrant woman marries a Black man, it's an interracial marriage. But it doesn't change the fact that very few whites are marrying non-whites. The main increase with whites is white men marrying Asian women, which is about half of all male interracial marriages.

I have noticed more and more teenage white girls with black kids recently. And it's not just the fat whales you normally see because black men love the "thick" (obese) ladiez. It's hot girls.

Then I see some stupid white kid with his pants under his ass, walking and generally behaving like a complete jamoke and it all makes sense.

Granted, I live in NY, but I didn't see it as often 10 years ago. I realize it will never become the norm, if even because it's a mathematical impossibility, but it's still worth noting.

Anonymous Anonymous April 07, 2012 5:53 PM  

Ha. Intellectual courage?

Look I know Vox doesn't want the fame, talk shows and success. He's carved his little niche in the internet and that's fine. However, I'd never begrudge a man from distancing himself from what my Dad referred to as a Career Limiting Manouvere in his version of the talk.

Ultimately, there will be times when it is worth risking everything for truth, justice and what is right. The rest of the time you're better off playing dumb, implying, omitting and if cornered, lying.

Anonymous Gen. Kong April 07, 2012 5:56 PM  

Anon of 10:20 AM: Luther's dream was that we could live as equals, not that we all are equal. It was based on the fact Christianity could rise people above their genetic limitations. With America's rejection of Christianity it was inevitable the dream would die.

It was no such thing. "Luther" aka St. Martin the Adulterer was a communist whose version of Churchianity wasn't substantively different from that of Jeremiah Wright or Jeffrey Pfleger. He was offed by his Marxist bosses when his group sexcapades had become so brazen and over the top that Hoover's FBI had him on tape screaming "I'm f**cking for Jeezuus", exposure of which would have derailed the whole agenda. The tapes were sealed for 75 years by a Marxist Federal Mullah. I plan to make a ringtone of St. Martin screaming "I'm f**cking for Jeezuus" to play for Churchians who continue to buy into the Ministry of Truth mythology about his holiness.

Anonymous cherub's revenge April 07, 2012 6:04 PM  

This suggests that rigid tribalism and segregation is actually harmful to the species.

Yeah, it's been just horribly detrimental to the Jews. Just a measly 40% of the Forbes List. Just imagine what they could've done if they had dropped their ethnocentrism.

Anonymous Anonymous April 07, 2012 6:12 PM  

I'll bet the white/asian mixing is highly geared towards engineers as well. Why? It's got nothing to do with race. If you're an engineer and working with/alongside women, those women are asian. The statistics likely get even worse if including "her parents aren't divorced" as a limiting factor.

Anonymous Idle Spectator April 07, 2012 6:38 PM  

"Yeah, it's been just horribly detrimental to the Jews. Just a measly 40% of the Forbes List. Just imagine what they could've done if they had dropped their ethnocentrism."

Also Japan too! Japanese die in a pool of Herro Kitty blood everyday from the violence inflicted on their Island of Misfit Toys. And those bastards were looting the moment the electricity went out after the tsunami.

Anonymous John D. April 07, 2012 6:40 PM  

Yet I can pretty much guarantee that if you take a racial mixture of young children and raise them in a neutral environment, they won't become adults who prefer to segregate along racial lines. Race preference is learned and culturally transmitted. So your philosophy is one of fatalistic preference.

Anonymous Idle Spectator April 07, 2012 6:51 PM  

"...if you take a racial mixture of young children and raise them in a neutral environment"

Meanwhile, in the nearby Land of Good Fortune, the princess was waiting in the highest tower of her castle. Sipping her tea slowly, she sighed pensively to herself. Nearby, atop his noble steed, rested...

"Race preference is learned and culturally transmitted."

That's quite true. Like culturally avoiding blacks commiting the overwhelming share of violent crime.

In the same way learning that touching a hot stove tends to burn your hand, or sticking conductive material in an electrical outlet tends to shock you.

Anonymous John D. April 07, 2012 7:01 PM  

"I'm glad he's finally dropped all attempts at subterfuge though and just went for broke. "

Sooner or later true racists always self-detonate. No matter how subtly they control themselves, there is always the urge to blurt it all out. Gradually they embolden themselves bit by bit and then comes a day when they're feeling particularly secure in their bigotry, or perhaps agitated by some thorn or another, as Derb was by "the talk." It all comes spilling out.

Anonymous The other skeptic April 07, 2012 7:03 PM  


He was offed by his Marxist bosses when his group sexcapades had become so brazen and over the top that Hoover's FBI had him on tape screaming "I'm f**cking for Jeezuus", exposure of which would have derailed the whole agenda. The tapes were sealed for 75 years by a Marxist Federal Mullah.


Detail, schmetails ... do you have a link? I head it was "I'm Fucking for God!"

Of course, depending on whether or not you are a Trinitarian, there might be no difference.

Anonymous John D. April 07, 2012 7:03 PM  

Victor Davis Hanson is another one who will probably one day go down in a ball of flames.

Anonymous The other skeptic April 07, 2012 7:16 PM  

It is widely claimed that MLK plagiarized something like one third of his doctoral thesis.

It would be interesting to get hold of the Dark Messiah's thesis.

Anonymous VD April 07, 2012 7:18 PM  

Yet I can pretty much guarantee that if you take a racial mixture of young children and raise them in a neutral environment, they won't become adults who prefer to segregate along racial lines. Race preference is learned and culturally transmitted. So your philosophy is one of fatalistic preference.

Sure you can, John D. Sure you can. That is one of the dumbest things anyone has ever said here. You clearly know nothing about human nature. People naturally segregate over everything. Even political party identification has been shown to be sufficient to significantly reduce empathy.

Also, you're behind on the science. It is now known that modern humanity isn't even all genetically the same species.

Anonymous The other skeptic April 07, 2012 7:22 PM  

If you are black and you shoot a mental retard, no problems. Obama doesn't care.


The dog, Lady, stayed by Adkins' side until the Humane Society came. Adkins lived with his mom and dad. He's 29, but his family says he's mentally disabled and has the mental capacity of a 12-year-old. He didn't drive, and walked wherever he went.

Anonymous dh April 07, 2012 7:30 PM  

> Multiculturalism is dead.

You only think this because you are old and white.

Anonymous dh April 07, 2012 7:31 PM  

> It would be interesting to get hold of the Dark Messiah's thesis.

I don't think he wrote a thesis. Good question, anyone know for sure?

Anonymous CAB April 07, 2012 7:34 PM  

No more Radio Derb, it seems.

Anyone who has read Derb in our pages knows he’s a deeply literate, funny, and incisive writer. I direct anyone who doubts his talents to his delightful first novel, “Seeing Calvin Coolidge in a Dream,” or any one of his “Straggler” columns in the books section of NR. Derb is also maddening, outrageous, cranky, and provocative. His latest provocation, in a webzine, lurches from the politically incorrect to the nasty and indefensible. We never would have published it, but the main reason that people noticed it is that it is by a National Review writer. Derb is effectively using our name to get more oxygen for views with which we’d never associate ourselves otherwise. So there has to be a parting of the ways. Derb has long danced around the line on these issues, but this column is so outlandish it constitutes a kind of letter of resignation. It’s a free country, and Derb can write whatever he wants, wherever he wants. Just not in the pages of NR or NRO, or as someone associated with NR any longer.

Anonymous zen0 April 07, 2012 7:40 PM  

It all comes spilling out. John D.

The truth you mean?

You did read the actual article he wrote, correct? With the links?

Anonymous John D. April 07, 2012 7:41 PM  

"That is one of the dumbest things anyone has ever said here."

I wonder how many times you've said that and to how many people. They can't all be among the dumbest things said.

Your reply makes a pretty bold assertion, if I'm reading you right. You believe that a group of interracial children will somehow spontaneously come to prefer the company of their own race. Do you have any evidence this is true? I think they will assort racially to the extent that the racist culture they exist in instills that preference. In other word, it's influences like Derb's talk, and also regrettably, the "black talk" that instigated it, that creates the preference for segregation. The issue isn't whether the urge to self segregate doesn't exist, it's whether it is a natural human instinct, as you seem to believe, or is a cultural artifact that is propagated down through generations.

Blogger Patrick Adkins April 07, 2012 7:44 PM  

Vox, Derbyshire was absolutely right.

I know this personally.

cut and paste this link to see what I am talking about, please.

http://thoughtsandrantings.com/2012/04/07/follow-up-why-i-wrote-what-i-wrote/

-Charles Patrick Adkins
Owner
thoughtsandrantings.com

Anonymous pdimov April 07, 2012 7:47 PM  

Race preference is learned and culturally transmitted.

It's exactly the other way around. Race preference is the default. Lack of race preference is learned. This is easy to observe, although you can rationalize it away by postulating that children prefer their own race because their racist parents have taught them to do so.

Similarly, little boys hold distinctly sexist views, absent indoctrination; and again, the explanation usually employed is that their sexist fathers have taught them so.

Anonymous zen0 April 07, 2012 7:50 PM  

For anyone who can't link the Derbyshire article, try this:

It might reset a few times, must be popular....a perfect response to the Trayvon demogoguery that is a symptom of the perversion of democracy known as ochlocracy.(mob rule)

Anonymous pdimov April 07, 2012 7:51 PM  

You believe that a group of interracial children will somehow spontaneously come to prefer the company of their own race. Do you have any evidence this is true?

In one experiment, some kids were given blue T-shirts, others red. After a while, they spontaneously segregated along red/blue lines and held "colorist" views.

Anonymous Gen. Kong April 07, 2012 7:53 PM  

Derb surely knew he would be thrown under the bus by the "conservatives" over at NRO. He's 70 and on chemo so he simply doesn't care. It's been amusing watching the little Animal Farm conservatives in action - behavior not unlike that on display in Stalin's USSR. Derb mentioned some hate facts in his article, which cannot be permitted to stand. Interesting to see Jonah Goldberg being a Liberal Fascist himself.

Anonymous zen0 April 07, 2012 7:56 PM  

The issue isn't whether the urge to self segregate doesn't exist, it's whether it is a natural human instinct, as you seem to believe, or is a cultural artifact that is propagated down through generations. John D.

So.......which is it?

Anonymous John D. April 07, 2012 8:01 PM  

"This is easy to observe, although you can rationalize it away by postulating that children prefer their own race because their racist parents have taught them to do so."

From a couple web searches, it seem that the studies that have been done are questionable exactly because of this. Not only do you have to control for parent/family influence, but also influence by outside culture in general. I'm willing to go either way on the basic psychological findings. Whether they should have any place in social engineering is another question entirely. There will always be people who think segregation is cool, even if there is no inevitable psychological rationale for it, and the opposite is true as well.

Anonymous Sojourner April 07, 2012 8:23 PM  

Not sure if that means an end to Radio Derb (the quote from above). I thought that appeared on his own website and not from NRO.

Either way that statement by Lowry is disgusting and now that Derb is gone I have absolutely no reason to ever head on over to NRO again. Those is the high places truly have no backbone and only seek what will keep them in those high places.

Anonymous TLM April 07, 2012 8:27 PM  

Anyone that's spent time around real niggers, not the white-acting black couples that sprinkle themselves around white suburbia, know that any hope of us living in harmony with them has been dead for at least 30+ years. American blacks will always blame whitey for their failures as a race in this country. Yeah , yeah, I know I,m raciss and all that. FU.

Anonymous CAB April 07, 2012 8:35 PM  

Not sure if that means an end to Radio Derb (the quote from above). I thought that appeared on his own website and not from NRO.

He hosts transcripts on his own website, but the audio is only on NRO, as far as I know. I'm assuming that means it's over, but I'd love to be wrong.

Either way that statement by Lowry is disgusting and now that Derb is gone I have absolutely no reason to ever head on over to NRO again. Those is the high places truly have no backbone and only seek what will keep them in those high places.

Agreed. There are other authors there worth reading, but I may stop visiting there on principle now.

Blogger Positive Dennis April 07, 2012 8:39 PM  

I plan to buy his book immediately.

Anonymous JT April 07, 2012 8:42 PM  

Well, if sarcasm is the last refuge of the scoundrel then calumny is somewhere earlier in the chain.

Blogger Nate April 07, 2012 8:48 PM  

I wish you guys would come down to the rural deep south. You wouldn't believe how different the blacks are down here. Everything is "yes sir" and "no sir". Polite and respectful... legitimately helpful.

kin folks say I'm full of it.. then they come visit... and by the time they leave they are calling people and saying the same thing... and getting called liars themselves.

Anonymous Paul Hobbs April 07, 2012 8:52 PM  

It's nice to know where you people stand. You're smart not to go around any black people. I'd also be careful about which white people you hang out with, especially if you're going to be speaking.
I also completely understand why most of you won't sign your names to this crap.

Blogger Nate April 07, 2012 9:07 PM  

Paul Hobbs

I note you refuse to name names. How about you call out the individuals you're specifically addressing and we'll go from there. Otherwise... you're just another weeping vagina with hurt feelings. Are you taking a stand? Or are you just taking a shot and running off with your tail tucked?

Anonymous Stilicho April 07, 2012 9:22 PM  

NRO-niks are always looking for a Sista Souljah moment. Alas, they never quite find it. The Catholic version of Churchianity practiced by many, if not most of the core crew, is simply incompatible with a coherent conservatism. Ponnuru adds a verbose stupidity to the mix, making quite the witches' brew of a politically correct, neo-con suicide pact. No wonder they like Sanctorum and Captain Underoos so much--it's like looking in a mirror.

Anonymous zen0 April 07, 2012 9:30 PM  

Paul Hobbs:

Did you read Derbyshire's article or not?

(If not you have no reference point for any of this conversation.)

Anonymous Public Service Announcement April 07, 2012 9:37 PM  

Vox eliminated NRO from his day trip list and substituted Taki's Magazine.

Blogger SarahsDaughter April 07, 2012 9:44 PM  

I wish you guys would come down to the rural deep south. You wouldn't believe how different the blacks are down here. Everything is "yes sir" and "no sir". Polite and respectful... legitimately helpful. - Nate

Same experience I've had in Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, and the Military culture as a whole. To the point I don't understand what people are talking about anymore with their racism/racial issues. Most of the people I interact with day to day are not white.

Anonymous Retrenched April 07, 2012 9:44 PM  

Makes me wish I had a subscription to NR,just so I could cancel it.

Blogger tz April 07, 2012 9:45 PM  

Anyone remember when they purged the late, great Joe Sobran for "anti-semitism"?

Anonymous Anonymous April 07, 2012 9:58 PM  

I met Jim Geraghty for coffee in Ankara in the late spring of 2005. Absolute beta male pussy. I met him because I had been a fan of NRO for the previous few years, though my enthusiasm for NR was waning as I was becoming more libertarian. He could not see what had become so clear to me and many others that Bush was NOT conservative. He was not, at that time, willing to write off Bush as "not conservative", and we even talked at lengthe about the issue. This was AFTER the medicare expansion, Patriot Act, and many other overtly non-conservative actions.

Ramesh Ponnuru - a self-impressed pussy. Skinny, dorky, Indian pussy who grew up thinking he was so much smarter than everyone mainly because he and everyone else assume that skinny, dorky Indian pussies who study all day MUST be smarter than most other people. They are not, they just have nothing else to do but study, so they get better grades.

Rich Lowry - never met him, but don't need to. Have you seen him on television?! Absolute, unrepentant beta pussy.

And, by the way, this is coming from a predominantly beta male (a recovering one), so I know a fellow beta when I see one. The problem with these guys is that they are the uber-dorky beta types, NOT beta types with some level of redeeming physical courage, ballsy wit or sharp, unapologetic intellect. They were the real-deal dorks, who were and always have been DESPERATE to gain respect and recognition through their academic and intellectual pursuits. Rich Lowry has often stated that he always wanted to work for NR. I have no doubt a teenage and college age Romesh fantasized about the sex, the accolades, and the money he'd get once (ONCE!) the world realized and understood his GENIUS!!! .

Anonymous cherub's revenge April 07, 2012 9:59 PM  

Anyone remember when they purged the late, great Joe Sobran for "anti-semitism"?

Sobran, Brimelow, Sailer, Sam Francis, Revilo P Oliver, Derbyshire. The list of fired writers is a thousand times more prestigious than the chumps that soil their pages now. Steyn and VDH will get it soon enough.

Hell, Buckley was just bragging a few years ago about how he helped kill the John Birch Society.

NR has been a false-front keeping conservatism in check, trotting behind the left by maybe 5 years, since day 1.

Anonymous Anonymous April 07, 2012 10:14 PM  

God, what a marketplace of racist, sexist smelly shit this blog is.

Anonymous yep April 07, 2012 10:20 PM  

If you can find a library with the first 10 years (1955-65) of National Review,that stuff is worth reading. Beyond that you have next to nothing that you can't get in a better form from this blog, isteve, altright or the other major reactionary, paleo or HBD blogs and websites.

Anonymous Anonymous April 07, 2012 10:25 PM  

Vox,
Since we're all descended from Noah, about 6500 years ago, thats pretty rapid for speciation in humanity. Plus 'species' is a largely nonsense term.

Tennwriter

Anonymous NorthernHamlet April 07, 2012 10:25 PM  

Why don't we deal with the individuals, black or white, on the merits of their own choices, actions, and character? If some blacks have lower IQ scores, a measure I thought Vox didn't care for, does it stand to reason that some of them may still be more intelligent than some whites? or less criminal? or more well read? If you're in Atlanta for a weekend business trip, would the above mentioned article be of any use when choosing a bar?

Anonymous yep April 07, 2012 10:27 PM  

"God, what a marketplace of racist, sexist smelly shit this blog is."

You're a turd that-no doubt having any idea of what you're talking about- takes pride in the 100 million murdered by the radical egalitarians in 20th century.

Do some penance by doing some research on the Holodomor. It's not very pretty. And keep in mind that these were the people who BEGAN the cycle of mass slaughter that the NS emulated and continued some years later.




ach

Anonymous zen0 April 07, 2012 10:32 PM  

God, what a marketplace of racist, sexist smelly shit this blog is.

You must suffer some form of blogian copraphagia in order to notice. These types of aberrant compulsive behaviors can be treated if you choose to seek help.

Anonymous Anonymous April 07, 2012 10:33 PM  

Heck, all the proof you need is that Christopher Buckley actually voted for Obama. Holy shit man. If you can't verbalize and teach your own children the philosophy of liberty that is the foundation of conservatism, then what the hell are you actually doing? A few basic lessons in life from day one keeps people from voting for a charlatan like Obama, yet Christopher Buckley did. Says much about his parents as well.

Anonymous yep April 07, 2012 10:33 PM  

I wish you guys would come down to the rural deep south. You wouldn't believe how different the blacks are down here. Everything is "yes sir" and "no sir". Polite and respectful... legitimately helpful. - Nate

Same experience I've had in Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, and the Military culture as a whole. To the point I don't understand what people are talking about anymore with their racism/racial issues. Most of the people I interact with day to day are not white.



Is that some different subspecies of black that lives in the cities and has ethnically cleansed working class and middle class whites from every major Southern city.

Anonymous yep April 07, 2012 10:36 PM  

Rural Southern whites and blacks celebrating their common culture:
http://glpiggy.net/2012/04/01/details-on-south-carolina-hate-crime/
Sadly, in this case, I happen to know the victim personally, and he honestly didn’t start anything, mouthed off to anyone, nor was he drunk. The first thing that was said, was the group of guys called him a tree honkey….whatever that is…along with other racial things, and all he said as he turned towards them was, “Why would you call me anything or say anything to me? I haven’t said anything to you.” From that point on he was attacked…..Tazed on the head, and beaten.

And from the victim’s sister:

He was not even slightly intoxicated and he was never even given a drug/alcohol test. The officer who came to the crime scene marked that he was intoxicated because he was seemingly intoxicated. He was nearly dead and couldn’t even speak hardly! Anyone would have seemed drunk after being beaten in the face by up to 30 men! The officer also stated that no follow up report should be pursued. Even though this was attempted murder! And, no, he did NOT “mouth off”. This was an unprovoked attack. I know all of this for a fact! This was MY BROTHER!!

Anonymous FP April 07, 2012 10:47 PM  

Derb and NRO are "parting ways". Lowry and others just don't get it. I like many others have gotten tired of the racism card just for merely daring to speak against the welfare state.

NRO link

Anonymous cherub's revenge April 07, 2012 10:55 PM  

Is that some different subspecies of black that lives in the cities and has ethnically cleansed working class and middle class whites from every major Southern city.

I've done a lot of fishing in the rural South and I haven't witnessed anything like what they describe.

I even saw "projects" down there in towns of just a few thousand people along the Tennessee River. They weren't multi-story, like you find here in Chicago,but clearly "projects" nonetheless. And they were filled with the same angry look, sideways hat, pants around the knees thugs blaring rap music, and 300 pound loud black women as you'd find here, with a county mountie circling them in his patrol car the same as any CPD.

Anonymous Dr. J April 07, 2012 11:18 PM  

Nate said:

I wish you guys would come down to the rural deep south. You wouldn't believe how different the blacks are down here. Everything is "yes sir" and "no sir". Polite and respectful... legitimately helpful.

Must be the whole "armed society = polite society" equation. Rural whites are a bit different stock than the metrosexual eloi of the cities who serve themselves up before the subhuman city Morlocks. Just look at how city whites laid down in Milwaukee on multiple occasions last summer to take their pastings from "youth" mobs. It's starting in Minneapolis now too - the joys of diversity brought to you by a nation that seeks its own destruction.

Glad you specified rurual south - I've never witnessed on-the-job laziness more striking than the surly sea-mammals staffing most fast food joints during my 7 years in Atlanta.

Anonymous Anonymous April 07, 2012 11:22 PM  

Nate, it's because in many areas of the south, the memory is still strong among blacks about what happens when they get out of line.

They tow that line for a reason, you can thank Nathan Bedford Forrest for your pleasant trip.

Anonymous TLM April 07, 2012 11:29 PM  

Doesn't matter in DT Atlanta. The thugs are all over. Stay in large groups, and always be packing and ready to use. Eye contact is key as well. The people that bow their heads when passi these young homies are just asking to get rolled. Look those f*ckers directly in the eye and dont flinch at their BS antics. Let them know they'll pay a price screwing with you. You don't have to be a superbadass, just be willing to send the message that you are not to be messed with.

Anonymous Idle Spectator April 07, 2012 11:52 PM  

That is exactly what I do TLM. Except the group thing. Mr. Weapon and Mr. Body Language handle that one nicely.

I've noticed the blacks Nate is talking about are usually the older generations, and better behaved. Also more rural areas like he said are much better than urban. Military... that one could go either way. But Atlanta = shithole.


"Vox eliminated NRO from his day trip list and substituted Taki's Magazine."


Vox is an instigator! Instigator! He should be fired.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box April 07, 2012 11:57 PM  

If I were Zimmerman I would claim Trayvon called me a wetback and enlist La Raza.

A much more viable and strategic defense than claiming a lid who was nothing but skin and bones was attacking, after not following instructions to leave the issue to the cops. Being a Khazakh however, trumped all other race cards in the deck: Money talks and bullshit walks...It is what it is!

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box April 07, 2012 11:57 PM  

*kid

Anonymous Outlaw X April 08, 2012 12:03 AM  

"Nate, it's because in many areas of the south, the memory is still strong among blacks about what happens when they get out of line.

They tow that line for a reason, you can thank Nathan Bedford Forrest for your pleasant trip."

I see, you know what is going on down here in the south, yet you cannot even find a name to post under. Nate is right, it is the Yankee that is more prejudice and they project it on the southron. I am sick of you people and it has been true since de Tocqueville

Anonymous Outlaw X April 08, 2012 12:15 AM  

"God, what a marketplace of racist, sexist smelly shit this blog is."

Capital "G" for "God", good for you, and tomorrow is Easter Sunday the day God rose from the dead. You want racist? Is that what you want? You want smelly is that what you want? Then go to F*cking Detroit. I am a sexist so you got me there. Women should not be in combat.

Think before you post Ms/Mr no name.

Anonymous Anonymous April 08, 2012 12:18 AM  

"The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites. The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81; forty percent of blacks have IQs that low"

Black people have been the target of eugenic tinkering for the last century at least. The "war on poverty" took the black father out of the home. The "war on drugs" run by corrupt politicians and the CIA keeps potent drugs on the street and feeds the prison beast. Planned Parenthood is a fixture in poor black neighborhoods, ensuring that around %50 of black babies are aborted. Public education dependably lowers literacy and math proficiency year after year for all public school kids but especially poor inner city kids who have no other education options (John Taylor Gatto). Gangsta culture, egged on by race baiting leaders, is pervasive enough to shame those who have natural talent out of excelling and acting "white". With all this I have to ask how much effort it would take for an average black child born in these circumstances to reach adulthood with an unscathed IQ. I think its a leap to conclude such IQ deficiency is automatically innate. I'm not saying blacks aren't responsible for their current circumstances but lets put it into perspective. There are certain elites who are very pleased with their situation.

Anonymous paradox April 08, 2012 12:22 AM  

"Outlaw X

Is this why I Hate Yankees...
"

You said it Outlaw... I can't stand them... they have invaded my area. Went to my son's baseball game today Half his coaches are Yankees... ugh... and you can hear the wives of Yankee coaches 500 yards away at the bleachers.

We Southerns every now and then may talk to each other while sitting on the bleachers, but I swear you can hear a frakking Yankee discussing their personal life a mile away.

Their children are absolute rude, obnoxious brats too. They mimic their parents but are 10x louder. If my son ever yelled from the bleachers at a child batting to "coach" them on how to correctly bat, my son would have a belt across his a$$. That is for the coach to say and shows the child has a severe lack of self-control for an outburst like that to occur.

Now I do have a copperhead friend, but his children are well behaved and don't have the obnoxious Yankee ethnic trait.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 08, 2012 12:23 AM  

And right on cue, from Baltimore we find this story of a tourist beaten, stripped naked and robbed on the street by a crowd that just laughs. It happened on St. Paddy's Day, but the local news just got the video today, the same day Derb was fired. Almost like there's some sort of cosmic karma thing going on.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/04/06/crowd-beats-strips-robs-tourist-on-st-patricks-day-incident-caught-on-camera/

Anonymous Outlaw X April 08, 2012 12:36 AM  

"You said it Outlaw... I can't stand them... they have invaded my area. Went to my son's baseball game today Half his coaches are Yankees... ugh... and you can hear the wives of Yankee coaches 500 yards away at the bleachers."

I found if you completely ignore them instead of busting their ass you get better results. You are funny and made my day. To bad you can't use a DVR at a baseball game and speed through the Yankee stuff. Then you would not have to beat the sh*t out of them.

Anonymous Outlaw X April 08, 2012 12:45 AM  

You have been attacked Vox and have a virus Trojan.

Anonymous paradox April 08, 2012 12:47 AM  

I found if you completely ignore them instead of busting their ass you get better results. You are funny and made my day.

I know why the Yankee parents don't bust their obnoxious kids ass because obnoxious is a Yankee trait and they think it's fine for a child to behave that way.

MY Southern children know better than to ever do something like I seen that Yankee kid do today.

Anonymous Idle Spectator April 08, 2012 1:08 AM  

I feel like that Mark Twain book A Connected Yankee in King Vox's Court.

Anonymous Anonymous April 08, 2012 2:02 AM  

Black people have been the target of eugenic tinkering for the last century at least.

You'll have to explain why essentially every single majority-black population ANYWHERE shows the same dysfunctionality. In the U.S., in sub-saharan Africa, in the carribean, etc. It's just one clusterf after another.

Anonymous VD April 08, 2012 2:41 AM  

Your reply makes a pretty bold assertion, if I'm reading you right. You believe that a group of interracial children will somehow spontaneously come to prefer the company of their own race. Do you have any evidence this is true?

There is copious evidence all around you. The mere existence of the different races, sub-races, and language groups is evidence. But since you probably mean "scientific evidence of the obvious", here is evidence that only children with "a rare neurodevelopmental disorder missing 28 genes" don't exhibit racial preferences, although they do exhibit sexual preferences.

"Typically, children exhibit an “in-group” bias when presented with this test – they tend to attribute positive characteristics to the figures perceived to be of the same ethnic group as themselves, and negative characteristics to the figures perceived to be different. And the children in the control group confirmed this. They showed a strong bias towards their own ethnic group, attributing positive characteristics to the figures with pinkish-tan skin and blonde hair (the “Caucasians”) more often than to those with brown skin and black hair (the “non-Caucasians”). By contrast, no racial bias was evident in the children with WS – they attributed the positive and negative characteristics equally to the Caucasian and non-Caucasian characters. Sex-role bias, however, was identical in the two two groups."

Your reasoning is every bit as foolish as the sexual equalitarians who thought that making little boys play with dolls will cause them to develop the same preferences as little girls. That didn't work either.

Blogger Spacebunny April 08, 2012 3:07 AM  

Your reply makes a pretty bold assertion, if I'm reading you right. You believe that a group of interracial children will somehow spontaneously come to prefer the company of their own race. Do you have any evidence this is true?
Your comment made a bold and stupid assertion. And you have no evidence to back your claim up either. I on the other hand, knew a black boy at University who was raised as an only child in a white family in small town Wisconsin (now interraccial adoptions in the US are very difficult, but 40 years ago this was not the case) Whitest black man you've ever met - until he went to University. Guess who he started hanging out with then? And this despite the fact that the campus was primary white. So, what was that you were saying again?

And dear, one of the stupidest things is not the stupidest thing.

Anonymous Anonymous April 08, 2012 5:03 AM  

So instead I should pick an anonymous handle there "Mr. Outlaw"?

Ok, call me "Rusty Nail".

I lived in an 80+% black 'hood in the south for more than four years. Nigs are certifiably crazy.

And, oh yeah, GFYS.

Anonymous Anonymous April 08, 2012 5:05 AM  

Every white neighborhood has that one crazy white guy. Every black neighborhood has that one NOT crazy black guy. If you're lucky.

Anonymous John D. April 08, 2012 5:34 AM  

"(now interraccial adoptions in the US are very difficult, but 40 years ago this was not the case)"

The prime reason for that is because black organizations think black adoption into white families will destroy racial identity, so either their fears are unfounded or the tendency to the tendency to cling to racial identity isn't as strong as you think.

From what I've seen, there is definitely the ingrained capacity to perceive race at a very early age, and also a race preference in children at an early age. The question is whether it's strong enough so that, if it is not compounded by further racial bias during childhood development, it will grow into a strong tendency to assort racially in adulthood. I doubt anyone knows the answer.

Anonymous kh123 April 08, 2012 5:40 AM  

"Also, you're behind on the science. It is now known that modern humanity isn't even all genetically the same species."

You've brought this up several times before. As German police are known to say: Papers, please.

Blogger Spacebunny April 08, 2012 5:44 AM  

The question is whether it's strong enough so that, if it is not compounded by further racial bias during childhood development, it will grow into a strong tendency to assort racially in adulthood. I doubt anyone knows the answer.

Well, at least now we know why you make such stupid statements, you clearly can't read for comprehension. Did you even read the rest of my comment,dear? If you had read it and understood it you wouldn't have made yet another stupid comment.

Anonymous John D. April 08, 2012 6:38 AM  

Well, at least now we know why you make such stupid statements, you clearly can't read for comprehension. Did you even read the rest of my comment,dear? If you had read it and understood it you wouldn't have made yet another stupid comment.

Good one. You have a data set with one member. In itself, that proves nothing. If you can show that a statistically significant portion of black adoptees preferentially self-assort on meeting their peers, that would be something. As is, you have nothing.

So his white parents encouraged him to explore black culture when he got to college. There, I just explained your sample.

Blogger Spacebunny April 08, 2012 7:48 AM  

In itself, that proves nothing.

It proves that your dreams of unicorns and rainbows is demonstrably, if not statistically, wrong.

So his white parents encouraged him to explore black culture when he got to college.

No, dear, they didn't. They sent him to a predominately white school for the exact opposite reason. Still not much progress on the reading comprehension front, huh?

And you have exactly.....nothing, to back up your original idiotic naked assertion. So, unless you have some actual facts or even anecdotal evidence to back it up, I'd say we're done here.

Anonymous VD April 08, 2012 7:54 AM  

If you can show that a statistically significant portion of black adoptees preferentially self-assort on meeting their peers, that would be something.

You're ridiculous, John D. You've already made it clear that you subscribe to the nurture hypothesis and you will cling to it regardless of what the scientific evidence says. It is ludicrous for you to appeal to science when you're already ignoring what science has demonstrated with regards to the limited influence of nurture as well as the instinctive human tendency to segregate. You won't believe your eyes and you won't believe science because you prefer to cling to your outmoded, anti-scientific fictions about human equality.

You've brought this up several times before. As German police are known to say: Papers, please.

And I've provided the links before too. Africans are pure homo sapiens sapiens. Non-Africans are not.

Blogger Nate April 08, 2012 8:43 AM  

"Is that some different subspecies of black that lives in the cities and has ethnically cleansed working class and middle class whites from every major Southern city."

No. Its the benefit of voluntary segregation. Down here there are whole towns that are all black... and whole towns that are all white. Everyone knows it... and everyone likes it that way. There are poor black towns and there are poor white towns. Its a Great Depression after all... there is plenty of poverty to go around.

The over all effect appears to be that folks are not as on edge with each other day-to-day... but it is widely known that there are places you just don't go after dark. There are places white folks don't go without good reason. There are places black folks don't go without good reason. When the sun goes down... everyone likes everyone else to be on their side of the line.

now... exceptions are made... ignorant travelers obviously passing through get a pass. On more than one motorcycle adventure I've found myself at a nice little gas station and seen it suddenly fill with 20 or 30 black folks... all come out to see what the crazy white boys are doing here. You get your gas. You pay for your gas. You leave. Which is all they want anyway. You also thank God you're well armed.

Remember in the rural world everyone knows everyone. It takes 30 seconds to make some kind of connection between you and some random stranger on the street. Once that connection is made you're not just some nameless member of the other race. Now that civilizing point won't hold true when the real bad times come... and they are coming. But it holds for now.

Anonymous Stilicho April 08, 2012 8:46 AM  

I find it amusing that not a single one of Derb's critics (or the ankle biters here) has tried to claim that it was bad advice to give to his daughter. At best, they snipe around the edges, trying to discredit the notion of any differences among races beyond skin color. More typically, they scream RACISS and run away. Come on you retarded liberals, at least try to claim that, while the advice is sound, it's only necessary because whitey is RACISS!

Anonymous John D. April 08, 2012 8:50 AM  

"And you have exactly.....nothing, to back up your original idiotic naked assertion. So, unless you have some actual facts or even anecdotal evidence to back it up, I'd say we're done here."

That's right, we're done, but I didn't make my half baked assertions into a blog post. If you care to assert that human behavior is as simple as spawning salmon, you should really bring more to the table than biased hunches.

Anonymous John D. April 08, 2012 9:03 AM  

"You've already made it clear that you subscribe to the nurture hypothesis and you will cling to it regardless of what the scientific evidence says."

No I'm willing to acknowledge the role of nature, I'm just not willing to resign myself to it to the exclusion of nurture, as you seem willing to do. If babies are little incipient racists, so be it. That would still not form the basis for drawing any firm conclusions. If it's irrational to be strictly in the nurture camp, surely it's irrational to be strictly in the nature camp.

Blogger Spacebunny April 08, 2012 10:05 AM  

If you care to assert that human behavior is as simple as spawning salmon, you should really bring more to the table than biased hunches.

You mean like the uninformed, biased hunches you brought to the table? Pot, kettle and all of that. You don't even have the benefit of being able to offer a single anecdote to back up your idiocy. Brilliant.

Anonymous VD April 08, 2012 10:09 AM  

No I'm willing to acknowledge the role of nature, I'm just not willing to resign myself to it to the exclusion of nurture, as you seem willing to do.

That is a massive retreat from your previous statement. You're conveniently forgetting that you claimed this: "I can pretty much guarantee that if you take a racial mixture of young children and raise them in a neutral environment, they won't become adults who prefer to segregate along racial lines. Race preference is learned and culturally transmitted."

You made a naked and absurdly false assertion. All of the evidence suggests that race preference is innate and instinctive, which nevertheless doesn't mean that it can't be further reinforced by experience. And there is no evidence whatsoever in support of your previously stated position.

I'm only surprised that you're not one of the "race doesn't exist" crowd.

Anonymous Roundtine April 08, 2012 10:53 AM  

I have a feed link to the corner, it updates when Derb has a new post. Bye-bye Corner & National Review.

Anonymous Anonymous April 08, 2012 11:59 AM  

Geez, I guess he hit a nerve, over 2300 comments.

Anonymous vandelay April 08, 2012 12:14 PM  

Just came across this in the VP archives. Vox quoting Jonah Goldberg speaking about conservative criticism of his views on gay marriage:

"if I really wanted to ingratiate myself with Andrew [Sullivan] I would not only be in favor of gay marriage but -- even better -- I'd stop being chatty with the Derb and start denouncing him as a walking, talking crime against humanity."
- http://voxday.blogspot.ca/2004/02/jonahs-not-cool-but-i-am.html

Which is exactly what NRO has now done, precisely out of concern of what the left thinks of them. I wonder if Goldberg realized he was making a prediction.

Blogger JACIII April 08, 2012 12:22 PM  

If you really want to experience how stupid people can be while still having the capacity to use language visit the comments of almost any post on this topic.

Most fall under "He Raciss!" ad hominem, ad populum, straw man, genetic fallacy.... It's like a checklist.

Blogger rcocean April 08, 2012 1:10 PM  

You believe that a group of interracial children will somehow spontaneously come to prefer the company of their own race. Do you have any evidence this is true?

See Barack H. Obama

Anonymous Jack Amok April 08, 2012 1:10 PM  

Just caught a snippet of an Agatha Christie novel on TV. An Englishwoman is complaining about the many foreigners at the nearby youth hostel. She said "Oh, their often quite agreeable people, but they can turn on you in an instant. You just never know where you stand with foreigners."

And I think that's the basic issue. The more alike you percieve someone to be to yourself, the more comfortable you are predicting where you stand with them. If you're never quite sure if an interaction is going to continue on nicely or turn disagreeable, it's an uncomfortable position and no sane person wants to live their entire life like that. Moments of adventure, sure, but constant tension is bad. It's worse if there's a high potention for "disagreeable" to mean "violent." It's also worse if times are tough and there's already a general feeling of incipient desperation about.

The more someone looks like you, the less worried you are about predicting their behavior. "Looks like" in this case includes racial features, dress, and behavior. If someone has different skin color, but dresses and acts like you, you're going to be more comfortable than if they act different.

So, it's not impossible for people of different races to live in proximity and get along, but it does require a few things. One, everybody has to share the same general standards of dress and behavior. Two, neither group can encourage any degree of gratuitous violence. Three, society needs a reasonable degree of prosperity and has to discourage zero-sum thinking.

We're 0 for 3. We used to do better...

Anonymous kh123 April 08, 2012 1:32 PM  

"And I've provided the links before too. Africans are pure homo sapiens sapiens. Non-Africans are not."

Found a few articles so far using terms "race", "inequality", and "[H]omo sapiens sapiens" in the blog search engine. One from '07 on a NY Times article that mentions research done from U. Chicago, Maryland, and Cornell; another citing a Hunter's Civic Biology textbook. There's a third describing "Denisovan" genetics, identified ex post facto as a Neanderthal line that's still present in New Guinea; and a fourth - again both NY Times. Another a Wired article on law enforcement DNA profiling.

Most of the other results tend to be political, or critiques of science fetishism and TE(p)NS.

Anonymous kh123 April 08, 2012 1:33 PM  

...Besides lactose intolerance, cold case ID'ing, and evolutionary chronologies, I don't see where the "subspecies" aspect comes into play. Even the Denisovan example above rests heavily on the shoulder of TE(p)NS and evo anthropology when it comes to deducing time frames and neanderthalensis species identification. Goes without saying that the former might as well be Keynesian economics and the latter phrenology.

Like I've said before, I don't necessarily disagree with your conclusions; I just want something more to go on besides NY Times articles.

Anonymous VD April 08, 2012 1:58 PM  

Look up "Neanderthal". The WSJ and a number of Science magazines have had articles on it.

Anonymous Anonymous April 08, 2012 2:00 PM  

"Vox eliminated NRO from his day trip list and substituted Taki's Magazine."

How about The Occidental Quarterly, Lagriffedulion, or the Journal of Irreproducible Results?

Anonymous The other skeptic April 08, 2012 2:27 PM  

VD says:

And I've provided the links before too. Africans are pure homo sapiens sapiens. Non-Africans are not.


I think this is incorrect. Modern sub-Saharan Africans are just as derived as most other populations and seem to have some amount of archaic introgression, albeit from different groups than Denisovans and Neaderthals.

It is most likely, as well, that the Biological Species Concept would assert that all existing groups form one single species (like, say, Canis lupus familiaris) because they can and do interbreed and produce interfertile offspring.

That does not mean to say that different groups do not have genetical determined common behavioral complexes, just as different breeds of Canis lupus familiaris do. Just try getting, say, a Labrador to herd sheep like the various breeds of sheep dogs. (And, cross breeds can produce unwelcome results :-)

Anonymous John D. April 08, 2012 5:18 PM  

That is a massive retreat from your previous statement. You're conveniently forgetting that you claimed this: "I can pretty much guarantee that if you take a racial mixture of young children and raise them in a neutral environment, they won't become adults who prefer to segregate along racial lines. Race preference is learned and culturally transmitted."

You made a naked and absurdly false assertion.


It's not a naked assertion, and I can produce literature that supports theories of racist nurture as well, probably more than you can produce about biologically ingrained race preference. That would still be my wager. The entire thesis of your post here is it's no use trying to integrate society because no matter what you do, people will prefer to live with/interact with their own race. That is at least as unsupported as anything I've said. It's no use just saying oh, integration has been tried and failed. It's been tried for a pitifully short historical period. It's had some failures and some successes.

Blogger Spacebunny April 08, 2012 5:31 PM  

It's not a naked assertion, and I can produce literature that supports theories of racist nurture as well, probably more than you can produce about biologically ingrained race preference.

Good grief. Literature that supports a theory? Are you for real? So no actual studies, just some opinions that support other opinions. Brilliant. By all means, produce them.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box April 08, 2012 5:36 PM  

Among the sex-biassed test groups, did the white males of British & German descent segregate & start cornholing eachother while fingering beads & worshipping idols?
Just curious.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box April 08, 2012 5:45 PM  

If I were an Old-Money, Filthy-Rich "Jew", I could devise no better strategy to clear all the "goyim" out of the way than generously paying JewsMedia propagandists & Rev. Mulebreys to pit the two largest but declining groups (blacks due to abortion, internal violence & willful ignorance, whites due to faggitry, doperism & "educated" ignorance) against one another.
Once my encited race-war was over, I could then get more wetbacks into the country to vote for my fellow communists & clean up the mess for a begrudged half-shekel a month.
Soros is not stupid. Same can't be said for Derbydroids, NRObots & street chuckers who faithfully buy his bullshit.

Anonymous FP April 08, 2012 5:55 PM  

You know, having looked over the corner blog page and some of the responses there, I think there is one question we truly know the answer to.

Derbyshire will no longer be on the NR November 2012 cruise this year.

Anonymous pdimov April 08, 2012 6:42 PM  

It's not a naked assertion, and I can produce literature that supports theories of racist nurture as well, probably more than you can produce about biologically ingrained race preference.

Your assertion was that children raised in a neutral environment display no race preference. This is not a theory of racist nurture; this is a theory of racist nature. Namely, of its complete absence.

On a not entirely unrelated note, I just came across this interesting article, on NRO, of all places.

Anonymous lolwut April 08, 2012 7:33 PM  

"If it's irrational to be strictly in the nurture camp, surely it's irrational to be strictly in the nature camp."

Or not. Fallacy of the mean

Anonymous NorthernHamlet April 08, 2012 7:48 PM  

"No I'm willing to acknowledge the role of nature"

VD,
Which racial lines do children segregate along, all other races except the child's? Do lesser percentages of racial heritage demonstrate a lesser plausibility of favoring that particular race? If not, why not?

Do you believe in dealing with individuals based on their own character and actions or on the possible actions of others in a group they may or may not yet identify with (we not knowing upon first meeting)? Is cultural identification the whole hog or can one identify partially with a group whilst rejecting values one dislikes?

Anonymous cherub's revenge April 08, 2012 7:57 PM  

That is at least as unsupported as anything I've said. It's no use just saying oh, integration has been tried and failed. It's been tried for a pitifully short historical period. It's had some failures and some successes.

What are you? A freakin' sociopath who gets off watching groups forced together fight? You're likea kid who mixes ant colonies to witness the battle.

"Hey, who the f*ck cares who dies in my social experiment, I got some "successes".

Libtards are absolute misanthropic nutjobs. There's no other explanation folks.

Anonymous cherub's revenge April 08, 2012 8:05 PM  

Liberal "logic": "Whites are racists who have visited unimaginable horrors upon defenseless non-Whites. Non-whites must be allowed to live with these horribly violent racist Whites for their own good."

I mean who but a sociopath would want to see defenseless, helpless, poor non-Whites be forced to live among evil, racist Whites?

Anonymous Idle Specator April 08, 2012 8:30 PM  

Desegregation happened back in the 1960s. That is going on 50 years ago.

Why do they call themselves Progressives? They should be called Regressives. They remind me of Baby Boomers who still think they are cutting edge and "with it."

Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, why are they still here inflicting us with their brain plagues? When will these fossils die?

Anonymous Ideel Speckehter April 08, 2012 8:45 PM  

Well, I guess this cloud has a silver lining. Formed from viral capsids and polymerase RNA.

Hepatitis B and C killing Baby Boomers

"Look honey, that's what we call a black and white television! No no no, don't touch it, it is fragile now."

Tell me how good Woodstock was again.

Where were you when Kennedy was shot? Answer: No one cares about Camelot anymore.

Tell me how no one you know voted for Nixon again. GOFUKURSELFKICKSBABYUTERUSTUBES

Blogger The Social Pathologist April 08, 2012 9:29 PM  

@John D

In the early 70's research was done in an attempt to find a scientific approach to eliminate racism. Unfortunately the data showed that human being has instinctive preferences for people who appear the same as them. The phenomenon is called homophilly and it's present even before socialisation. Our brain wiring makes the majority of men naturally prejudiced.

Now it is possible to overcome prejudice on an individual basis, i.e it is possible for lets say a white to feel totally comfortable with particular black or Chinese, but it's when it comes to dealing with a group, the brain tends to think in terms of heuristics.
Unfortunately, individual interactions are not the basis for group dynamics.

The best example of this that I can think of was during Hurricane Katrina at the Superdome. It was being used as a refugee centre for people who were fleeing New Orleans. Black people (majority) automatically segregated themselves from white non American tourists who were visiting New Orleans. These whites had no past history of any animosity towards the black community. In the end, the National Guard had to escort the whites from the Superdome as their real threat to their lives.

I'd love to think that everyone could just get along, but the scientific data doesn't support it.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet April 08, 2012 11:54 PM  

"homophilly"

Social pathologist, isn't homophilly equally true given any characteristics or values, say age, hair color, or favoring mercy over punishment? Why does the conversation seem to revolve more on women, muslims, and blacks then sticking to one's age group to circumnavigate crime or stupidity?

Blogger The Social Pathologist April 09, 2012 3:03 AM  

@NorthernHamlet.

No, it's not true for any given characteristics.

There is a homophillic hierarchy. People first differentiate themselves on the basis of sex, then color, then behaviour. Certain characteristics elicit more attraction or repulsion than others.

The researchers tried really hard to make discrimination go away, even by mixing people into groups at a young age and weighting the groups for appropriate diversity; it didn't matter. People are born to prefer their own instinctively to the other. It seems to be hard wired.

People aren't blank slates after all.

Blogger The Social Pathologist April 09, 2012 3:11 AM  

Oops made a mistake. (I was trying to recite facts from memory)

Race trumps sex in the hierarchy.

Here is an interesting paper for your reading pleasure.

ftp://www.soc.cornell.edu/csi/Networks/mcpherson%20smith-lovin%20cook%20ars.pdf

Anonymous Idle Spectator April 09, 2012 3:52 AM  

"People aren't blank slates after all."

Like I said, these people are Regressives. This whole diversity thing hasn't changed from hip social science seminars advancing the ideas since the 1970s. Anyone up to date in anthropology, genetics, and political science cannot possibly take it seriously.

Human Biodiversity is the new progressivism. An ability to understand and predict the world far greater than what we knew in previous decades.

But you have to whisper it softly, like as if you were secretly a Communist in the 1950s. Infiltrate and undermine the diversity apparatus. Shhhhhh.

Go forth, Rebels.

Anonymous Anonymous April 09, 2012 4:14 PM  

I didn't read most of the comments so I apologize if this subject was brought up earlier. I have read somewhere that Nilotic Blacks [Ethiopians and Somali's] have higher intelligence levels than other AFrican ethnic groups. The Nilotic Blacks do have different features, more of a Semitic appearance. Indeed some do speak Semitic languages. Of course Ethiopians have a very ancient culture, it's one of the oldest Christian cultures in existence today. Also there is a ton of Jewish influence there as well. I talked to a highschool teacher in the Twin Cities, she teaches at an inne-r city school with alot of American Blacks, and Hispanics, and quite a large Somali population as well. She said there is serious conflicts betwe. American Blacks and the Somalis. The Somali's don't want much to with the American Blacks and they do not have the entitlement mentality that US Blacks do. The Somalis tend to work much harder and value self-sufficiency far more than US Blacks do. That was the teacher's personal take on the subject. Has anyone else here observed the same thing?

Anonymous Geoff-UK April 09, 2012 5:04 PM  

Nate, I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying now vice your original post (you clarified daytime and nighttime behavior). I think you've said you're from Bama, so I concur that whites who find themselves North of Vulcan after dark are taking a risk, and Canadiens who decide to jog in Mountain Brook after dark will see flashing gumball lights before they jog 100 yards.

The question I have is, why are the above two situations so horrific to libs?

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@John D.

So when are you moving to Detroit?

Anonymous Anonymous April 09, 2012 7:42 PM  

Little kids are the most sexist and racist people on earth. It has to be beat out of them with both bludgeons of mass media and public 'edgumacation'.

Anonymous Jonathan April 10, 2012 6:03 PM  

"He was a stunningly bright man for a non-German white."

hahaha, what is wrong with you people?

Anonymous Boris April 18, 2012 9:20 PM  

These comments have been illuminating. The naked racism was not a surprise. The surprise was how cowardly most of you guys are. I mean, you've used pure reason to uncover the truth of the inferiority of blacks, so why not shout it from the rooftops? Tell your bosses. Tell your wives. Don't bend to the "big lib lie" that individuals should be given equal and fair treatment. Re-brand discrimination as the purview of the discriminating thinker.

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