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Monday, April 09, 2012

A purge too far

It's a little-known fact, but I was once selected as the heir apparent to William F. Buckley by his syndicate, Universal Press Syndicate. As he was getting quite old and obviously approaching the end of his run, they'd looked over all the columnists of my generation and decided that I was the one whose intelligence and writing style was most similar to that of Buckley.

The syndication went nowhere; the Dallas Morning News was the only paper to pick up my UPS column - which was the same as my WND column - and we learned that the newspaper editors a) believed that my sentence structure was too complex and my vocabulary was too expansive for the eighth-grade reading level they were targeting, and b) didn't want another right-wing columnist when they already had Ann Coulter. The outcome might have been very different if UPS sold its columns in package deals the way some of the other syndicates do, but they reasonably believed every column should stand on its own. So, after 18 months, Universal gave up and my second spell as a nationally syndicated columnist came to an end. But it always gave me a small sense of accomplishment, because I'd long been a reader of William F. Buckley's magazine.

I used to read National Review in the library at college. I liked Commentary as well, but National Review always had a compelling sense of ideological style to it that made it seem both relevant to the times as well as moderately intellectual. I fell out of the habit of reading it after college, but then discovered NRO and The Corner not long after it was introduced online and began reading that on a daily basis. I thought about looking into becoming an NR contributor from time to time, but there was never really any reason to do so since WND's traffic was already blowing away NRO's and it would have been a step down in terms of readership even if it was a step up in terms of prestige.

I let my subscription to NR Digital go more out of a general sense that things were ideologically falling apart there than in response to any specific event. I disliked the growing My Party Left or Right theme there, was mystified by the total lack of competence concerning economics, and found the purge of Joe Sobran to be reprehensible. But I still read The Corner every day even though I seldom bothered with the articles on the main page. Readers here will recall that "NRO'S CORNER" was one of the featured Day Trip links for most of the last seven years. But then I read this post by Rich Lowry yesterday:
Anyone who has read Derb in our pages knows he’s a deeply literate, funny, and incisive writer. I direct anyone who doubts his talents to his delightful first novel, “Seeing Calvin Coolidge in a Dream,” or any one of his “Straggler” columns in the books section of NR. Derb is also maddening, outrageous, cranky, and provocative. His latest provocation, in a webzine, lurches from the politically incorrect to the nasty and indefensible. We never would have published it, but the main reason that people noticed it is that it is by a National Review writer. Derb is effectively using our name to get more oxygen for views with which we’d never associate ourselves otherwise. So there has to be a parting of the ways. Derb has long danced around the line on these issues, but this column is so outlandish it constitutes a kind of letter of resignation. It’s a free country, and Derb can write whatever he wants, wherever he wants. Just not in the pages of NR or NRO, or as someone associated with NR any longer.
Now, I know Derb, I've read his articles, I've read his books, I've interviewed him, and I've exchanged email with him. He is a good, decent, and intelligent man. And since National Review does not wish to associate with him any longer, I do not wish to support it in any way, shape, or form. So, I have removed the link from this blog and will not be reading either National Review or The Corner anymore. I would encourage those who number themselves in the Dread Ilk to similarly remove their bookmarks and ignore what has become an entirely superflous organ of the squishy Republican center.

I'm not doing this solely out of loyalty to Derb. If National Review was still publishing anything of genuine significance or interest, I would have to continue reading it simply for the information. But National Review no longer publishes anything that is remotely controversial, new, or interesting; Derb was last of that breed still remaining there. After all, one hardly requires National Review to be exposed to the following dogma:

1. Israel must be supported at all costs because it is the only democracy in the Middle East. Followed by an article about the Egyptian/Palestinian/Iraqi/Iranian/Syrian elections....
2. Any amount of immigration from anywhere is good for America as long as it is legal.
3. We love [insert race or other interest group here] more than liberals do.
4. Hispanics will turn conservative Real Soon Now.
5. [Insert most liberal candidate running] is actually the real conservative and should be the Republican candidate.
6. Winning elections is more important than purity of principle. Or any principle, for that matter.
7. [Republican] may be bad, but [Democrat] is worse.
8. I am a huge [Yankees/Red Sox] fan even though I don't follow baseball and am from [city nowhere near NYC or Boston].
9. Support for the troops by finding further occupation for them in as-yet uninvaded Middle Eastern countries. Faster please!

Actually, after thinking about what I've read at NRO over the last few years, I find myself wondering why I was still bothering to read it at all. The inertia of habit, I suppose. Anyhow, I emailed both Derb and Jonah Goldberg yesterday. Derb appreciated the support although he noted that the retroactive admission that Enoch Powell had been right all along didn't do Mr. Powell much good. Jonah and I had a civil exchange in which we simply had to agree to disagree, for while he considered the article to have been offensive and indefensible, I think it is very easily defended indeed. But, as I told Derb, the eventual conclusion is obvious: "As was the case with Enoch Powell, it will one day be common knowledge that John Derbyshire was right."

I think it is very telling already that at most of the sites where Derbyshire has found support, the comments are running heavily in his favor, whereas at most of the places that condemn him, public comments are not even being permitted. My conclusion is that the race card had a lot more power and the equalitarian dogma was much more convincing when most white knowledge of the behavior of the African underclass was theoretical; desegregation, immigration, and smartphone videos means that the equalitarian propaganda is being rapidly trumped by actual experience and observation.

And finally, Derb's focus on race realism is based solidly on the same reasoning that is shared by numerous observers of societal decline across the political spectrum. The rationale for his actions is probably best explained here, in a section taken from his 2012 speech at CPAC.
This is from Chapter 21 of The Bell Curve[1], in which Herrnstein and Murray are discussing possible consequences of cognitive stratification. Perhaps the most startling of the possibilities they suggest is that, quote, "Racism will emerge in a new and more virulent form." Here is the passage that follows.

The tension between what the white elite is supposed to think and what it is actually thinking about race will reach something close to breaking point. This pessimistic prognosis must be contemplated: When the break comes, the result, as so often happens when cognitive dissonance is resolved, will be an overreaction in the other direction. Instead of the candor and realism about race that is so urgently needed, the nation will be faced with racial divisiveness and hostility that is as great as, or greater, than America experienced before the civil rights movement. We realize how outlandish it seems to predict that educated and influential Americans, who have been so puritanical about racial conversation, will openly revert to racism. We would not go so far as to say it is probable. It is, however, more than just possible. If it were to happen, all the scenarios for the custodial state would be more unpleasant — more vicious — than anyone can now imagine.

I should explain that by the phrase "the custodial state," Herrnstein and Murray mean a sort of Indian-reservation policy in which the elites "fence off" the low-IQ underclass.

That our elites might turn racist does indeed sound outlandish. The reigning doctrine on race throughout the Western world today is the Standard Social Science Model, which I'll just trim down to "Standard Model" in what follows. According to this doctrine, all observed group differences are the result of social forces. The Standard Model says that there is a conceivable, discoverable, attainable configuration of social forces in which all group differences would vanish; and that we ought to strive to shift our own society towards that configuration. Among our political and cultural elites, the Standard Model is universally accepted.

Looking to the future, there are three possibilities. One of them, Possibility One, is that our elites will continue to adhere to the Standard Model. The other two are implied in the extract I just quoted from Herrnstein and Murray: Possibility Two: We may attain "the candor and realism about race that is so urgently needed." Possibility Three: Our elites will revert to "open racism."
I expect Possibility Three. So does Derb. And the hostile reactions of people towards Derb's futile attempts to push Possibility Two only underlines the assurance of that expectation. The European elites are already beginning to change direction; once that takes place, the American elites will be quick to follow.

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131 Comments:

Blogger Markku April 09, 2012 9:16 AM  

John's the trouble starter
f*cking instigator...

Anonymous CJ April 09, 2012 9:19 AM  

Jonah and I had a civil exchange in which we simply had to agree to disagree, for while he considered the article to have been offensive and defensible, I think it is very easily defended indeed.

I assume you meant Jonah considered it"indefensible."

Blogger Vox April 09, 2012 9:22 AM  

I assume you meant Jonah considered it"indefensible."

Yes, corrected.

Anonymous The Gray Man April 09, 2012 9:25 AM  

Bravo.

And no surprise that Jonah would refuse to see your side of things. His last name ends in -berg and he is a semi-prominent media figure.

Anonymous CJ April 09, 2012 9:35 AM  

All group differences aren't attributable to social forces: I don't think early intervention will increase the number of white cornerbacks and running backs.

However, social forces contribute to the negative consequences stemming from differences. I think Vox has pointed out before that prior to the War on Drugs, black and white crime rates were nearly at parity. The Moynihan Report described the problems with welfare, and the death of manufacturing and the post office leaves fewer jobs for low IQ individuals.

Derb's "candor and realism" (or Holder's "honest conversation") will have to eventually get down to grapple with the question "what do we do about it?" Fixing drug prohibition, welfare, and providing unskilled and semi-skilled jobs will have to be part of any solution to the low IQ problem.

Anonymous Joshua_D April 09, 2012 9:36 AM  

Wait ... do people still think liberal, elite whites are not racist?

Blogger JartStar April 09, 2012 9:53 AM  

I'd be interested in seeing some examples of what the European elites are doing in this regards.

Anonymous Pablo April 09, 2012 9:56 AM  

Vox, I've been mulling over the information you shared recently about a society being able to tolerate (roughly) 5 to 11% of its population being culturally different, and how this society changes dramatically as that percentage increases. It's helped me understand some things about my own country (Canada) and my own culture (Quebecois). Here's my question: do you think it even remotely possible for the present social unease to be remedied without violence, or are we doomed to an eventual race war of some sort?

Blogger stats April 09, 2012 10:01 AM  

CJ said, "I think Vox has pointed out before that prior to the War on Drugs, black and white crime rates were nearly at parity."

What do you mean by "parity". Equal? Are you saying the percentage of crime for blacks and whites was the same before the war on drugs? Would love to see these stats.

Anonymous Stilicho April 09, 2012 10:07 AM  

I have yet to see a detailed assertion that Derb was wrong and explaining how he was wrong. All I've seen, and this includes his "friends" from NRO, is a blanket assertion that Derb was wrong which merely implies that it was RACISS! Have any of Derb's critics been asked whether they would give their own daughters similar advice?

Good on ya for taking a stand, Vox. NR is free to publish whatever drivel they like. Just as we are free to mock it or ignore it as it deserves. I have previously defended NR because, despite its editorial stance, it had diverse opinions in its pages about a variety of important issues. That ship has sailed. That bird is no more. That diversity of opinion is clearly gone and, as a result, so is my readership.

Anonymous The other skeptic April 09, 2012 10:10 AM  


Vox, I've been mulling over the information you shared recently about a society being able to tolerate (roughly) 5 to 11% of its population being culturally different, and how this society changes dramatically as that percentage increases.


I dunno about you, but I think that number is bigger than 11% in the US (and I am ignoring the Jews and the Asians, although they make up reasonable percentage of the Left Coast.)

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein April 09, 2012 10:21 AM  

Kudos for delinking The Corner. I suspect that their current editor will be known as the one who removed NR from athwart of history and placed it in the ash can. Although I often enjoyed VDH, Jonah, and Steyn (and Derb, of course).... not being exposed to that insufferable little twit, Rich Lowery has already lowered my BP. My cardiac health thanks you, Vox.

Anonymous daddynichol April 09, 2012 10:21 AM  

I've not had any luck finding a working link to Derb's article. Link anyone? Thanks.

Blogger Ghost April 09, 2012 10:21 AM  

The only thing I disagreed with Derb about in his article was limiting the warnings to being about blacks. I would have included la raza.

Anonymous ZT April 09, 2012 10:22 AM  

Sadly it is all ready happening.

When the break comes, the result, as so often happens when cognitive dissonance is resolved, will be an overreaction in the other direction. Instead of the candor and realism about race that is so urgently needed, the nation will be faced with racial divisiveness and hostility that is as great as, or greater, than America experienced before the civil rights movement.

Tulsa OK men arrested on shooting spree


Suspect England wrote on his Facebook page that his father, Carl England, was shot and killed April 5, 2010, almost exactly two years before Friday's shootings.

A black man was charged and is serving a prison sentence for the crime.

On Thursday at 4:04 p.m., England wrote, "Today is two years that my dad has been gone shot by a f------ n----- it's hard not to go off between that and sheran I'm gone in the head." According to England's Facebook page, his girlfriend, Sheran Hart Wilde, recently died.


As things get more economically desperate and people start feeling hopeless, then expect more of this.

Anonymous Mr Green Man April 09, 2012 10:27 AM  

Given that good fences make for good neighbors, one could always start to subdivide the United States, devolve power, and set up more of a loose confederation in the style of the original constitution or, better yet, the fix needed for the Articles of Confederation. There are some states -- e.g., New York, Iowa, Michigan, California -- where you can readily identify at least two distinctly different groups, potentially more, and that's just looking at voting behavior.

Rather than making "majority-minority" Congressional districts to provide representation in the grand fight over imperial plunder, create smaller units that were autonomous...

That would never work; you'd have to have a federal government that released the reins of power. Better to try to bludgeon others into giving you theirs -- it's the American way.

Anonymous Anonymous April 09, 2012 10:28 AM  

I believe that one's attitude towards race is partly innate (biological hard-wiring to protect our own and mistrust the other) and a sense of realism that you mentioned in your article.

If one lives in the burbs with the elitist SWPL lifestyle, the narrative is easier to swallow. But those who have been exposed first-hand or via internet (excluding MSM, of course) see things differently.

Which is where basic human empathy comes in. True empathy and sense of justice. Progressives argue some anti-racism is expected, but human beings see the immediate injustice and turn away from this 'end justifies the means' mentality.

- Lovekraft

Anonymous zen0 April 09, 2012 10:29 AM  

Derbyshire Article Link

Anonymous Anonymous April 09, 2012 10:30 AM  

National Review is an enemy of truth and freedom.

Derb was the only reason to go there. Now there is no reason.

I plan to send $20 a year to Derb (what an NR subscription costs).

Anonymous CJ April 09, 2012 10:33 AM  

"What do you mean by "parity". Equal? Are you saying the percentage of crime for blacks and whites was the same before the war on drugs?"

That's the way I remember it, but it's been awhile and I couldn't find the post on a quick site search. If Vox is still checking the comments, he can provide confirmation or correction.

Blogger Nikis-Knight April 09, 2012 10:36 AM  

Still standing athwart history yelling stop. Now facing the wrong direction. Sad.

Anonymous The other skeptic April 09, 2012 10:42 AM  

And now, Eric "I'll act Black faster than you can say Furious" Holder discovers why Voter ID laws might be needed.

Anonymous Anti-Gnostic April 09, 2012 10:47 AM  

"Derb's "candor and realism" (or Holder's "honest conversation") will have to eventually get down to grapple with the question "what do we do about it?" Fixing drug prohibition, welfare, and providing unskilled and semi-skilled jobs will have to be part of any solution to the low IQ problem.
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You're trying to solve the low IQ problem while ignoring the race problem. The former can largely be sorted out by property rights, and depriving the cognitive elite of the ability to use government against their own low IQ kin. The race problem is insoluble under the current dialectic. There is just no way such biologically and culturally disparate people can build a sustainable society.

As Peter Brimelow says, it will all end in tears.

Anonymous Anonymous April 09, 2012 10:48 AM  


The European elites are already beginning to change direction; once that takes place, the American elites will be quick to follow.


They'll become white faster than you can say furious.

Anonymous Baseball Savant April 09, 2012 10:51 AM  

It does get a little tiring about Yankees/Red Sox fans. I've never been to the Northeast, but have been a dyed in the pinstripes Yankees fan since I can remember. My dad's favorite player growing up was Mickey Mantle so I heard all kinds of stories about Mantle, Clete Boyer, Bill Skowron, Elston Howard, Roger Maris, Whitey Ford, Bobby Richardson and Tony Kubek. He even threw in a little Tom Sturdivant & Gil McDougald if I was lucky.

Also when I was a little boy Don Mattingly started playing for New York and I am from the same hometown. We got WPIX in our cable televsion so it was Yankees games all the time. So it was easy to be a fan of the Yankees.

What sort of makes me sick is all these "Yankees" fans who don't know the starting lineup of the 1996 team let alone the 1978 team. I used to ask kids who wore Yankees gear what the starting lineup of the 78 squad was, but they can't even get the 96 team right.

As for the Red Sox, piss on them and their fans.

Anonymous JC April 09, 2012 10:55 AM  

The only thing that came close to an argument against what he wrote (I read an awful lot of comments) was saying that the same thing could be said about men and women. As if I wouldn't give the same advice to my hypothetical daughter about staying away from congregations of men or living in towns with mostly men.

The thing is, I haven't even read up on the data he is referencing and it doesn't matter. The responses made it sound like it was some poorly written "screed" with the n-word sprinkled throughout. It wasn't anything like that. Its really telling how uncomfortable all these arseholes must be with their own fiercely held beliefs.

Thanks for this Vox, I've deleted NRO from my bookmarks and yesterday I immediately went and bought Derb's latest book and sent him a short supportive email. Derb actually started me reading this blog after following a link in one of his articles.

I'm going to miss Radio Derb and still kind of liked VDH and Steyn. Both those guys will probably end up like Derb though. I imagine VDH will eventually just lose it over the Mexican invasion. You can read both of them elsewhere anyway. Goldberg was alright too but his joining in means I won't be reading much of what he says anymore.

I don't comment here an awful lot but I read the blog every day.

Blogger Ghost April 09, 2012 10:57 AM  

C'mon, man. Even Jesus hates the Yankees.

Anonymous Anti-Gnostic April 09, 2012 10:59 AM  

"They'll become white faster than you can say furious."

I tend to agree with this. Prosperity and a US defense umbrella allow Europeans to pretend otherwise, but at bottom the Continent is still a bunch of wildly diverse ethnic nation-states. Historically, Europeans have had no problem overthrowing governments and slaughtering people in all sorts of ways.

Despite all the liberalism, avant-garde pretensions, etc., I really don't see Europeans abandoning their ancestral homelands. Which means when the money runs out and the US bases start closing, the Saracens will be jumping in the Meditteranean and trying to swim home.

Blogger Desert Cat April 09, 2012 11:02 AM  

Nikis-Knight April 09, 2012 10:36 AM
Still standing athwart history yelling stop. Now facing the wrong direction


Thread winner!

Anonymous Houston April 09, 2012 11:05 AM  

About ten years ago I heard a caller on the Michael Savage show ranting that blacks should be put in concentration camps. He was a self-described lifelong liberal Democrat, elderly, who had lost all patience with black underclass savagery. I realized then that the most violent white racists of the future would be ex-liberals, not just because of dashed illusions, but because the Left is the party of social engineering.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation (Ben) April 09, 2012 11:06 AM  

NRO showed their true colors in the fall of '08 when they supported the bailouts. Anyone who supports bailouts cannot claim to be a conservative in any sense.

Also, the constant baying for war really started to piss me off. For the love of God, we just destroyed Libya and now these jackasses want us to annihilate Iran when there's no proof that Iran is building a nuke or that even if they get a nuke they would be dumb enough to use it. Ajad isn't even a dictator, the mullahs hate his guts, and he's on his way out. What are the neocons going to say when Ajad is out of office?

It looks like the neocons at NR are going to be getting their wishes because Obama has just made an ultimatum to Iran.

It's all FUBAR.

Anonymous JC April 09, 2012 11:10 AM  

*meant write in place of read.

Another thing I forgot to mention is that if you go over to NRO and read some comments in hijacked corner posts (Lowry disabled comments in the one announcing Derb's "resignation"), you see a lot of people justifying it because liberals will think their racists and because liberals look for and post racist comments on conservative websites.

They can't even see that when they care what the other side thinks of them that they've already lost.

Anonymous JC April 09, 2012 11:12 AM  

*they're

I'm not doing well tonight.

Blogger Positive Dennis April 09, 2012 11:19 AM  

I was thinking about unbookmarking the Corner yesterday. I get about two ideas a month for my blog from the Corner-often Conrad Black. I go there under the assumption it is enemy territory. Is two ideas a month enough to go there?

Anonymous The Logical German April 09, 2012 11:20 AM  

I can't wait till the European ethnic and racial wars kick in. Us Germans are going to erase everyone of non-German heritage from our lands.

Anonymous RC April 09, 2012 11:20 AM  

Informing daughters of cads, boys of bullies, sons of women's wiles, whites of blacks, drunkenness with pregnancy, low N with marriage success - who doesn't need to know?

After reading the MSM's reactions, I'd expected Derb's piece to be so much more than solid advice to the young and ignorant. I was disappointed. I'm left to wonder what percentage of those screaming for his head have had the exact same discussion with their progeny. Those that haven't put their children in the middle of harm's way.

Anonymous ThirdMonkey April 09, 2012 11:21 AM  

Possibility Three already exists. The only reason BHO is president, and will be re-elected, is that most of the people who voted for him were shamed into it, and they will be shamed into it again, although not as many as were in 2008. The so-called "Tea Party" Congress of 2010 are totally uneffective because they are scared of being labeled racist. The elites have it figured out: just the mere threat of being labeled a racist keeps everyone in their place. Kudos to Derb for not playing the game.

Vox, I never understood why you had a link to NR in the first place. My mother-in-law, who has had a subscription since the late fifties, told me that in the past 15 years that NR has more often than not irritated the crap out of her. After discussing Derb's kerfuffle yesterday afternoon, she concluded that she would take Bill's advice and "cancel my own G-dam subscription."

Blogger Matthew April 09, 2012 11:24 AM  

Derb has Paypal donation set up on his website, for anyone who wants to speak with his wallet.

Anonymous Stilicho April 09, 2012 11:34 AM  

Still standing athwart history yelling stop. Now facing the wrong direction. Sad.

Standing athwart history yelling "faster please!"

Anonymous Buck Swamp April 09, 2012 11:44 AM  

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is not only revolutionary, in the eyes of the existing powers it's treasonous.

Blogger RobertT April 09, 2012 11:52 AM  

When Buckley was still with us I was a rabid follower of National Review and NRO. But it's a very difficult thing to keep an organization rooted. Witness the ivy league and mainline churches. Once the founder is gone they all meander of course until they're no longer recognizable. RIP National Review and NRO.

Anonymous Redjack April 09, 2012 12:02 PM  

Derb commited proffesional suicide to make a point. Interesting. We will see if it worked.

Blogger Doom April 09, 2012 12:06 PM  

I sidelined NR/NRO a very long time ago. So a writer writes the truth, and is actually rather... polite doing so as I see things, and he gets fired from a "conservative" mag? Makes perfect sense... to conservatives who have put Romney up for president.

It's not that I quit, it's just that I don't care about some things anymore. I realize they are required to happen. If a kid runs out in the street and gets hit by a car, well... I don't have to be happy with things as they happen, I just have to deal with them from my end. Glad you finally dumped the rag though. Good on you.

Anonymous Anonymous April 09, 2012 12:12 PM  

CNN BREAKING NEWS:

"State Attorney Angela Corey, appointed as a special prosecutor in the February shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, has decided against sending the case to a grand jury, her office said Monday.
"The decision should not be considered a factor in the final determination of the case," Corey's office said in a statement.
"At this time, the investigation continues and there will be no further comment from this office," the statement said."

Get ready for the Fire Sales!

Anonymous daddynichol April 09, 2012 12:23 PM  

The serve for Derbyshire's article must be a busy one. Once again, I get the notification:

The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.

It's been that way for a couple of days now. What I've read thus far is spot on and will be forwarded to others. Some will understand while others will scream, "RACISSS!" then faint.

Blogger Bob Wallace April 09, 2012 12:32 PM  

I used to be a newspaper reporter and editor, and found newspapers are run by fools, which is why so many of them have gone out of business. And good riddance. I dont' read newspaper, I don't watch TV news and I don't read magazines. I get everything from the Internet, which is so far above the MSM its' become pathetic.

Anonymous daddynichol April 09, 2012 12:37 PM  

Dat Sta 'torney Angela Corey, she be a cracker bitch! We's gonna be all in yo' faces now! - Laquita Johnson

Let the summer festivities begin!

Anonymous cherub's revenge April 09, 2012 12:46 PM  

"State Attorney Angela Corey, appointed as a special prosecutor in the February shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, has decided against sending the case to a grand jury, her office said Monday.

Then Zimmerman's screwed. If she wanted cover she'd have let a Grand Jury return a "no bill."

If there's credit to be had from the howling hoards for bringing charges, she's not going to let it go to some faceless GJ.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza April 09, 2012 12:48 PM  

This reminds of that 2006 BBC article about 'the human race splitting into' 2 sets of people.

Option 3.

We are seeing open racism today in what is reported; Rev. Wright's latest sermon (see bell curve ref.), CNN's ok with saying f-cking n*****, CNN's completely creepy Saturday night race show with Don Lemon. According to morning talk radio, the black panthers apparently want everyone to hoodie-up, strap your boots on, for some absurd riot. This is all utter soulsucking self-destruction, endless conquer and divide.

None of this reflects a fictional economic recovery or the hiring of millions of unemployed Americans or the success of affirmative action.

In our area, 4 black men were killed in 3 days and the pastors are speaking out to promote overall peace. These 4 men were involved in crimes, police killed them.

Around here, this is a regular occurrence, whether its white, Latino, black, etc., (stretch with me) but the media is riling up the hatred b/c the wars are failing, pro-bank austerity is coming and the welfare isn't enough.

All for what? To re-elect the current administration and sell ads.

Would the worthless national media come to the rustbelt since they care about the poor, unemployed, Americans? No, they don't care and would never come and see the reality of race relations/social class has wrought.

Blogger Positive Dennis April 09, 2012 12:56 PM  

I would love to be a fly on the wall when Jonah talks to his daughter about the goyim. I intend to talk to my daughter about this when the time comes and I am not even Jewish.

Anonymous Scintan April 09, 2012 12:56 PM  

I just read Patterico's response to Derbyshire's article. I'm not impressed, to say the least.

Anonymous Matt April 09, 2012 1:00 PM  

When I was young, every year my grandmother bought me a subscription to Readers' Digest. At the time it was still pretty much its proud and venerable self, before its gradual transition to just another worthless supermarket tabloid. Young as I was, I noticed the transition over the years and was surprised and delighted to read a National Review piece about the decline and fall of the magazine. As a middle school kid, it was very cool (in a nerdy way) to see that I'd noticed something subtle happening that I noticed before it was pointed out by something so distinguished as National Review.

And so I hate to see the same thing now happening to National Review itself, of which I'd also been a long-time reader. But it is clear that the magazine doesn't really stand athwart anything now, and is more or less just a party rag. I regret this, but it is what it is.

Anonymous Papapete April 09, 2012 1:04 PM  

As a theoretical point, I have some reservations about the data in "The Bell Curve". Standardised IQ tests depend heavily on educational acumen, and there is a strong anti-intellectual strain that runs through black culture. I spent 6 years in grade school and junior high (just shows how old I am) in majority black schools and interracted with a lot of black children. There were many black kids who seemed to have good minds but the majority weren't interested in school, and a significant number were actively trying to sabotage everyone else. There were a couple of black kids with middle-class parents who actively encouraged their intellectual development, and they were in Honors classes and scoring A's routinely. Interestingly enough, they were attacked even more viciously by the black troublemakers than any other nerds.

Of course, that's a theoretical point. It doesn't change the practical aspects of the situation in the least, except to note that if it's cultural, the glorification and imitation of black culture by white America is even more dangerous than previously thought.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic April 09, 2012 1:21 PM  

* Still standing athwart history yelling stop. Now facing the wrong direction. Sad.

* Standing athwart history yelling "faster please!"

Bending over before history yelling, "Harder!"

Anonymous Karsten April 09, 2012 1:21 PM  

The title of this piece is very instructive: "A purge too far." There are some on the traditional Right who think that, okay, we do need to purge/suppress the so-called "anti-Semites" (i.e., anyone who isn't a lackey for Israel) so that we don't "look like neo-Nazis."

But it never ends there. First they come for the "anti-Semites." Then they come for the "racists." They they come for the "homophobes." And pretty soon, there are no actual conservatives or conservative positions left.

The policy of retreating before boundaries that are forever shifting leftward never results in regrouping and a counter-attack. It always just leads to more retreating.

We need to stand our ground and, more than that, welcome and honour voices to the right of our own positions (wherever those may be), rather than denounce them or disassociate ourselves from them for political expediency.

Anonymous Anonymous April 09, 2012 1:33 PM  

Great piece - and as others have also said, I would never have known this blog existed but for Derb's recommendation.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza April 09, 2012 1:36 PM  

It is sad and these are all fine people, its just a ideological disconnect...

Anonymous cherub's revenge April 09, 2012 1:40 PM  

As a theoretical point, I have some reservations about the data in "The Bell Curve".

If The Bell Curve is as far as you've delved into this topic, then you've barely dipped your toe in the ocean.

OpenID jeofurry April 09, 2012 1:47 PM  

For years now the only stuff I have ever read from over there was stuff that I first found out about reading here. I shall not miss it one bit.

Anonymous Country Lawyer April 09, 2012 1:49 PM  

Option three is not just a possibilty, but a strong one.

Western culture currently hammers home the intrinsic racist and evil nature of white people.

At some point the majority of them may embrace that identity.

Treat someone like a monster long enough and they will come to believe it and become one.

Anonymous cherub's revenge April 09, 2012 1:55 PM  

I just read Patterico's response to Derbyshire's article. I'm not impressed, to say the least.

I too just read it (due to your mentioning it) and it essentially boils down to "well, I know some blacks who are good folks".

Wow, how freakin' original. I've never seen that line of argument before. Hell, I'm so convinced I'm going to buy a house in Gary tomorrow. At 5k a piece, I'll buy 20 of them.

Anonymous CrisisEraDynamo April 09, 2012 2:02 PM  

I doubt there will be any racist renaissance or sexist Great Awakening.

For one, the Millennials and the kids coming up today do not have any racist attitudes. From birth, they are taught to accept all colors, and that people who don't do this are beyond the pale.

Secondly, boys and girls hang out as friends more, not necessarily for romance. This shows less sexism than their parents and grandparents. What's more, women are outpacing men in employment and education.

Also, a wide acceptance of homosexuality and gay marriage among Americans. This didn't exist before.

Thus, if there is any racism at all, it's being done by Generation X. Time is moving forward, and these attitudes are on their way out, at least in America.

You left the US of A in the 1980s, Vox (or was it the 1990s?) Either way, don't be so sure that those trends will ever reverse. Time moves in only one direction: forward.

Anonymous Noah B. April 09, 2012 2:30 PM  

@CrisEraDynamo

"You left the US of A in the 1980s, Vox (or was it the 1990s?) Either way, don't be so sure that those trends will ever reverse. Time moves in only one direction: forward."

Just out of curiosity, have you seen Hotel Rwanda?

Anonymous Roundtine April 09, 2012 2:31 PM  

"For one, the Millennials and the kids coming up today do not have any racist attitudes. From birth, they are taught to accept all colors, and that people who don't do this are beyond the pale.“

And therein lies its own destruction. People are not taught to accept all colors, they are taught that all colors are the same. If you deviate even slightly from this line, you are beyond the pale and cast from polite conversation. So what happens when it breaks down? The Derbs of the world are realists who do not hate people, they won't turn to racism. Christians will not turn to racism, but their numbers are dwindling. What happens to maleducated Millennials who are told that all people are equal? It's nice to hope they won't turn to racism, but they just accept what they are told. If the elite tell them to be racist, they will be racist. To be anti-racist in the future will be beyond the pale, and to be anti-racist will mean saying things on par with Lincoln: to believe in racial inequality, but to treat others with dignity.

Anonymous Roundtine April 09, 2012 2:36 PM  

"Time moves in only one direction: forward."

Time moves in a circle, according to the Chinese, they are increasingly part of the global elite and they also hold "racist" attitudes. The whole ballgame is changing.

Anonymous Gen. Kong April 09, 2012 2:43 PM  

Stilicho: I have yet to see a detailed assertion that Derb was wrong and explaining how he was wrong. All I've seen, and this includes his "friends" from NRO, is a blanket assertion that Derb was wrong which merely implies that it was RACISS! Have any of Derb's critics been asked whether they would give their own daughters similar advice?
There's been no refutation of any kind, only point and splutter (to borrow Steve Sailer's phrase). The reaction has been very telling. There's nothing conservative or even American about NRO. They're leftists and Marxists just as much as their dinner-party companions at the New Duranty Times are. The only difference is that they are more openly enthusiastic about endless wars abroad to make the Umma safe for feminism and sodomy. They Obamabots like to pretend they're against wars (even though they're really for them).

Anonymous VD April 09, 2012 2:44 PM  

For one, the Millennials and the kids coming up today do not have any racist attitudes. From birth, they are taught to accept all colors, and that people who don't do this are beyond the pale.

Sure they don't. Like the 19 year-old white guy who shot 5 black people in Tulsa two years after a black man shot and killed his father, right? When is the last time a white Generation X guy went on a serial spree killing blacks?

Anonymous WinstonWebb April 09, 2012 2:47 PM  

Yeouch!

VD +1
CrisisEraDynamo -5

Anonymous Jack Amok April 09, 2012 2:50 PM  

Houston says : “About ten years ago I heard a caller on the Michael Savage show ranting that blacks should be put in concentration camps. He was a self-described lifelong liberal Democrat, elderly, who had lost all patience with black underclass savagery. I realized then that the most violent white racists of the future would be ex-liberals, not just because of dashed illusions, but because the Left is the party of social engineering.”

Leftists are first and foremost Groupists. Nobody is an individual to them, everyone is a member of one or another group and according things based on group membership. The IWSBs that Deb mentions aren’t allowed to exist in Leftopia. Well, maybe I should rephrase that. Leftists are narcissistic sociopaths. They don’t really see other people as individuals, but just as members of one or another group.

As for the groups themselves, well, the least capable are always looking to shackle the more capable to themselves. Group membership is great if you’re the lowest functioning person and get the share in the productivity of the higher functioning folks. And so we have Papapete’s observation: “There were a couple of black kids with middle-class parents who actively encouraged their intellectual development, and they were in Honors classes and scoring A's routinely. Interestingly enough, they were attacked even more viciously by the black troublemakers than any other nerds.”

Reminds me of the old joke about the resident of Town A who remarks that his neighbor moved from Town A to the rival Town B and raised the average IQ of both places. That’s a story that comes from an individualist society. In a collectivist one, the guy stays in Town A and votes for more welfare.

Anonymous Anonymous April 09, 2012 2:57 PM  

Can there ever be break between the elites and the underclass? That would represent a complete disintegration of the Democratic party What political coalition takes it place?

Anonymous DonReynolds April 09, 2012 2:58 PM  

I had my last exchange with John Derbyshire a couple of months ago, a little discussion of a particular issue at the time...not much really. I argued that the elites were well-aware how dangerous blacks are in this country, even though their speech is to the contrary. They spend a good deal of their wealth making sure their kids do not go to black schools, that they live in (often gated) neighborhoods where blacks are typically excluded, they buy burglar alarms for their homes and cars, they pay extra to park in well-guarded parking garages, they insist on extra security for their offices and businesses, even hiring security guards. (Law offices in Atlanta typically hire armed escorts to get their secretaries safely home.) The elites KNOW how dangerous blacks are, even if they are too gutless to say those words in public in this country. We know that they know, because of their behavior, and all the money they spend to insulate and protect themselves and their families from blacks.

John did not agree with me, he sided with Jared Tayor instead....the elites are delusional and they actually believe all that PC nonsense they spout.

I still disagree, John. The elites are not that honest in public. They are not delusional and they are not stupid. They know. They just wish WE did not know too.

Anonymous Joe Ruskenbro April 09, 2012 2:58 PM  

Derb's firing shows that the squeaky, racist wheel can sometimes result in oil being applied to smooth the way for change. Or, more likely, the squeaky wheel, screeching like a fingernail on a chalk board, unable to distinguish between intelligence and education, is deemed defective and is completely eliminated.

I predict one of two things will happen: Vox Day will be eliminated from WND, or WND will become branded as the race pig site. However, either of these happening is totally dependent on the funk. Without the funk, nothing will likely change, but with funky strategy, change is possible. For example, as a secondary, funk strategy, Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell could be ridiculed for sharing a site with a logic bozo who considers them to be inferior in intelligence, where Derb's firing is used as ridicule leverage.

The application of the funk, to lube the way for one of the two above possibilities, is dependent on me, a very presumptuous idea indeed, though not utterly presumptuous, as I share the name of a dead funkmeister.

The funk is elusive in its own funky way. Nothing will happen today. Nothing will happen tomorrow. Whatever will happen, will happen in its own funky time.

Tap your foot and mark my words.
In the future you'll go unheard.
Your one affiliation can be broken.
His love of money, he leaves unspoken.

He's backed down once on you.
He'll back down twice on you.
It'll be three times the hurt.
And what you cannot subvert.

Seek then, the shoulder of a friend.
Seek those here you won't offend.
With some as friends given to you,
by his affiliation is how they knew.

Half or more to you must be given.
And this is why you are forgiven.
Those left, you earn by rank deeds.
What you deserve, I gladly concede.

Anonymous moog April 09, 2012 3:06 PM  

As a theoretical point, I have some reservations about the data in "The Bell Curve". Standardised IQ tests depend heavily on educational acumen, and there is a strong anti-intellectual strain that runs through black culture.

Consider the possibility that IQ determines or strongly influences culture, and not the other way round. Raise all black babies in adopted, white upper middle class SWPL families, and they'll still be a standard deviation lower IQ than whites on average. And they'll tend to recreate their own anti-intellectual culture again if left to their own devices.

Liberals must believe that culture is the crucial factor because they want to believe that they can culturally engineer their way to some utopian future. The idea that race, IQ, and other factors puts definite limits on human malleability does not play well with the liberal agenda.

Likewise, pointing out that some blacks are smart and are not anti-intellectual rather misses the point since we're talking about group averages, not individual exceptions. The exceptions don't invalidate the averages, they confirm it.

Anonymous Roundtine April 09, 2012 3:14 PM  

"Derb's firing shows that the squeaky, racist wheel can sometimes result in oil being applied to smooth the way for change. Or, more likely, the squeaky wheel, screeching like a fingernail on a chalk board, unable to distinguish between intelligence and education, is deemed defective and is completely eliminated."

Liberals do look funny turning the steering wheel on a car with no wheels.

Anonymous DonReynolds April 09, 2012 3:15 PM  

To those who keep repeating that there are no racist young white people in the USA or that their days are somehow numbered, I simply have to tell you. The skinheads are more racist than any Klansman I ever met and a good many of the bikers would fit in this same barrel. Add to that any white who has been in federal or state prison, which is more than you think, then there is still quite a racist population in this country. Don't even get me started on rural whites and those from small towns in remote areas. And finally, there is no reason to believe that urban whites can be victimized by blacks and Hispanics for decades...in school, in the neighborhood, at work.....and not have any deep felt animosity toward blacks. Yes, there is no shortage of racism in the USA. No, I do not see this as a problem at this time. And NO, political correctness may have snuffed out racist speech but that did not do anything more than harden a few hearts along the way.

Anonymous ZT April 09, 2012 3:17 PM  

To good not to post this

STUNNING LACK OF DIVERSITY IN OBAMA CAMPAIGN, PHOTOS REVEAL

Anonymous Smarty Pants April 09, 2012 3:20 PM  

"Likewise, pointing out that some blacks are smart and are not anti-intellectual rather misses the point since we're talking about group averages, not individual exceptions. The exceptions don't invalidate the averages, they confirm it."

The average women has a higher IQ than the average man. Higher IQ's are much more likely to be found among men though and at the top levels of IQ women are very unlikely to be found.

If people want to accept IQ as a hugely important factor in American success they should be for inviting smart Asians and Indians into America and allow them to take there best jobs and let them become a hugely successful minority. They should also want them to marry white women to raise the average IQ of the nation. Plus should be for adjusting the education system to separate the smarter Asians from the dumber whites.

Anonymous CrisisEraDynamo April 09, 2012 3:24 PM  

Vox, you'll have to do better than bringing up one racist killing spree to disprove me.

Like I said, there's less racism among the younger set. Same with sexism (at least against women. Sexism against men, though, is perfectly acceptable.)

Anonymous cherub's revenge April 09, 2012 3:31 PM  

The average women has a higher IQ than the average man. Higher IQ's are much more likely to be found among men though and at the top levels of IQ women are very unlikely to be found.

If people want to accept IQ as a hugely important factor in American success they should be for inviting smart Asians and Indians into America and allow them to take there best jobs and let them become a hugely successful minority. They should also want them to marry white women to raise the average IQ of the nation. Plus should be for adjusting the education system to separate the smarter Asians from the dumber whites.


It's not a matter of "accept". It's a matter of is. And it also doesn't follow that just because there are other higher IQ people outside of a nation that they should be let inside.

Obviously all the high IQ people in Asia and India couldn't keep them from becoming backward hellholes so why would they be any better here.

As for Asian/White hybrids being a national IQ booster, I would point you to Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and the Chuvash. Been tried and failed.

Anonymous CrisisEraDynamo April 09, 2012 3:31 PM  

@ DonReynolds

Skinheads more racist than Klansmen…sounds interesting. Care to share a story?

How about one of a more middle class white person having antipathy towards other races?

Anonymous VD April 09, 2012 3:31 PM  

Like I said, there's less racism among the younger set.

Quoting yourself, that's very convincing. The younger set will be more racist than the elder generations by the time they reach the age that those generations are now due to their greater exposure to other races. Once they know a few people who have been raped and beaten up, they'll stop believing their multicultural school propaganda quickly enough. Exposure always breeds more racism. Back when Minnesota was 98% white, no one I knew ever expressed a racist thought. Now that it's full of Somalis and other Africans, far more people are openly racist.

Anonymous moog April 09, 2012 3:32 PM  

You left the US of A in the 1980s, Vox (or was it the 1990s?) Either way, don't be so sure that those trends will ever reverse. Time moves in only one direction: forward."

Time moves forward; history zigs and zags and also goes in circles sometimes.

I'm still living in the USA and can't help noticing that the SWPL youth may talk a good game about equality, but they mostly only live with and socialize with other SWPL youth. Actual day-to-day life with NAMs is for the white proles and other "losers".

I think option three is a possibility. When people flip they flip hard. Consider the NSDAP, though heavily supported by conservative Germans, also had a large "beefsteak" membership (brown on the outside, red on the inside). People change sides often, and can find easy reasons to do so without seeming to violate their own "deeply held beliefs". People are fickle that way. And I'm not concerned whether one thinks the nazis were "left wing" or "right wing" - that's not relevant.

I don't think VD or anyone else is saying that we're going to suddenly return to 1950s-era Eisenhower conservativism. It will be something new - just not something that is a simple forward projection of current trends. Projecting current trends to continue forward forever is always proved wrong. The more out of whack with reality a ruling ideology becomes, the more inevitable it is that historical trends are due for a course correction.

It - option three - probably won't be something that most conservatives will like either - but I'll bet many jump on the bandwagon anyway. Throw a drowning man a rope and he'll grab on to it - even if the rope looks like a poisonous snake.

It's not predictable how option three might come about, but if it does it will once again make "left" and "right" pretty meaningless terms.

Anonymous CrisisEraDynamo April 09, 2012 3:33 PM  

I say these things because it's like you've found leprechauns or unicorns.

Anonymous Clay April 09, 2012 3:34 PM  

VD said:

"It's a little-known fact, but I was once selected as the heir apparent to William F. Buckley by his syndicate, Universal Press Syndicate. As he was getting quite old and obviously approaching the end of his run, they'd looked over all the columnists of my generation and decided that I was the one whose intelligence and writing style was most similar to that of Buckley."

So...were you officially initiated or annointed? Was there some dark ritual, involving goats, or other assorted livestock? Or Ann Coulter?

Blogger Markku April 09, 2012 3:36 PM  

I think it will end with China seeing that its time has come, when the social cohesion in USA gets low enough.

Anonymous Justin April 09, 2012 3:37 PM  

"We may attain "the candor and realism about race that is so urgently needed." Possibility Three: Our elites will revert to "open racism.""

Judging by the regular comments on blogs which identify as "race realism" (ISteve, Mangan's, etc.) the majority of followers of these blogs partake in emotional "open racism" not candor not maturity not open-mindedness. Thus, Possibility Two seems not only far-fetched for liberal elitists but also far-fetched for populist conservatives. The hypothesis that more "race realism" might ease society into a soft landing as opposed to a hard one on race seems tenuous, judging by the anecdotal evidence of commenters (as opposed to commentators)in the race realism blogosphere. Since the day of reckoning will likely be ugly, perhaps trying to postpone it as long as possible is the best course.

Blogger Desert Cat April 09, 2012 3:46 PM  

Clay April 09, 2012 3:34 PM
So...were you officially initiated or annointed? Was there some dark ritual, involving goats, or other assorted livestock? Or Ann Coulter?


Goats, assorted livestock, pentagrams, black candles, *and* a gaunt Ann Coulter in black hooded robe wielding a scythe.

I'd flee the scene too...

Anonymous moog April 09, 2012 3:48 PM  

"If people want to accept IQ as a hugely important factor in American success they should be for inviting smart Asians and Indians into America and allow them to take there best jobs and let them become a hugely successful minority. They should also want them to marry white women to raise the average IQ of the nation. Plus should be for adjusting the education system to separate the smarter Asians from the dumber whites."

There are a lot of other things going on behind national success stories than just IQ; high IQ is important but importing a bunch of high IQ types from alien cultures is pretty stupid for obvious reasons which hopefully no one here needs to have spelled out. IQ is not morality, IQ is not loyalty, IQ is not identity.

As pointed out, mixed asian/caucasian societies in central asia are hardly a good argument for racial mixing. One would think that a conservative would be all in favor of us remaining ourselves. No one supports IQ-fetishism except for the handful of internet bloggers who think they will be personally benefit from such a system.

Nevertheless, the reality of racial differences in IQ has to be pointed out given the strong social pressures to deny it entirely. Just because IQ is real doesn't mean one has to go to the opposite extreme of race-blind IQ-fetishism. It's as though we're being told we have two choices, both of which will result in effective suicide of the West. No third choices allowed!

There are other options.

Anonymous FP April 09, 2012 3:49 PM  

"Thus, if there is any racism at all, it's being done by Generation X. Time is moving forward, and these attitudes are on their way out, at least in America."

Thats not what I've seen in the meatspace or online. I see far more millenials than my fellow gen-x'ers (I'm at the end of gen-x at 33) open to seeing reality and voicing that opinion, especially regarding sexism/feminism.

Somewhat OT but interesting story, note the comments:

http://bojack.org/2012/04/trimet_security_follies_never.html#comments

Woman waits for friend to ride into work with them at the Max train in Portland OR and gets accosted by cops for it, threatened with fine/banishment for loitering. Lots of crime happening on the Max lately, especially related to drugs and vibrant youths.

Anonymous Joe Ruskenbro April 09, 2012 3:50 PM  

Roundtime, quoting my funky words, says:

"Derb's firing shows that the squeaky, racist wheel can sometimes result in oil being applied to smooth the way for change. Or, more likely, the squeaky wheel, screeching like a fingernail on a chalk board, unable to distinguish between intelligence and education, is deemed defective and is completely eliminated."

Liberals do look funny turning the steering wheel on a car with no wheels.


I understand the sin of assuming too much, but shouldn't the discussion be in the correct context? Of course it should.

I spent 3 months and 20 days of "real jail" for "conservative" crimes of civil disobedience, in particular, for helping block the doors of multiple abortion clinics. I'm not so bold these days. Maybe it's because that real jail really works.

How many days, Roundtime, have you spent in jail for opposing abortion? There was an additional 20 days of work furlough, all coming from an original sentence of 1 year and a $2000 fine, which eventually got reduced. Wait. I forgot about the 10 days of real jail in Los Angeles.

I say "conservative" because I'm not a "conservative", though I may be a conservative-type.

Please continue with the proper context, and I'll do my best to check out.

But wait, since race is the subject, I think I should talk about a black man. Back in those days, I was fond of Alan Keyes

I voted for him as the Republican nominee, and then wrote him in when I voted in the main election. I wouldn't vote for him now. The Republican party has become the party of socialism-lite, abortion, and homosexuality. Breit Bart and Ann Coulter, one dead and one living Rebublican party homo endorsers.

Yea, I'm a real flaming-liberal kind of guy. No, Roundtime, I'm guessing that I got you beat in lots of ways when it comes to "conservative".

As far as the funk, we all know that the funk is universal. It's not liberal, it's not conservative, and it's not whatever. No, the funk is the funk, the whole funk, and nothing but the funk. And if I was a liberal, I would have turned that last sentence into a sacrilege.

OpenID ZT April 09, 2012 3:54 PM  

If people want to accept IQ as a hugely important factor in American success they should be for inviting smart Asians and Indians into America and allow them to take there best jobs and let them become a hugely successful minority. They should also want them to marry white women to raise the average IQ of the nation. Plus should be for adjusting the education system to separate the smarter Asians from the dumber whites.

Eh, we already do that with Jews and pretty much any IT or technical field already.

Anonymous paradox April 09, 2012 3:58 PM  

Ugh... nothing worse than a Yankee fan. They should be purged from baseball. My son's baseball team has Northern transplant coaches and everyone of them is a damn Yankee's fan. One thing about it... we Brave fans don't bow to political correctness. The raciss Tomahawk Chant is still a favorite at Braves game.

Anonymous Smarty Pants April 09, 2012 4:02 PM  

"There are a lot of other things going on behind national success stories than just IQ; high IQ is important but importing a bunch of high IQ types from alien cultures is pretty stupid for obvious reasons which hopefully no one here needs to have spelled out. IQ is not morality, IQ is not loyalty, IQ is not identity."

What do you consider an alien culture? Can fellow whites be from alien cultures? Are Jews from an alien culture? Do Jews intermarrying with non-Jews destroy white identity? The Irish have very low IQ's for whites but share our "culture" so should IQ trump culture and hence we shouldn't invite them in with us?

"As pointed out, mixed asian/caucasian societies in central asia are hardly a good argument for racial mixing. One would think that a conservative would be all in favor of us remaining ourselves. No one supports except for the handful of internet bloggers who think they will be personally benefit from such a system."

His examples are irrelevant to the point. We're not talking about the average Asian here we are talking about High IQ Asians. Most of these guys are perfectly fine with High IQ-fetishism as long as it confirms the beliefs or ideas without taking it to its logical conclusion.

Should we be for those with higher IQ's being allowed to engage in Polygamy so there are more children with good high IQ genes?

Anonymous moog April 09, 2012 4:02 PM  

"Judging by the regular comments on blogs which identify as "race realism" (ISteve, Mangan's, etc.) the majority of followers of these blogs partake in emotional "open racism" not candor not maturity not open-mindedness. Thus, Possibility Two seems not only far-fetched for liberal elitists but also far-fetched for populist conservatives. The hypothesis that more "race realism" might ease society into a soft landing as opposed to a hard one on race seems tenuous, judging by the anecdotal evidence of commenters (as opposed to commentators)in the race realism blogosphere. Since the day of reckoning will likely be ugly, perhaps trying to postpone it as long as possible is the best course."

No, postponing things will only make the counter-reaction worse when it comes.

What people write on anonymous comments matters little to what they might do in real life. Stop affirmative action now, deport the illegals, enforce the border, put a moratorium on all immigration, and you will have satisfied the vast majority of those emotional "open racists" you talk about, who would be much happier with a reasonable, rational reform of the system, rather than a bloodbath.

Most people don't want a bloody revolution, but keep pushing them in that direction and see what happens. Our elites are too insulated from reality, too arrogant, too greedy, and too full of their own conceited self-righteousness to try to cool things off with reasonable reforms. Worse, they are actively dumping fuel on the fire, as for example encouraging the ongoing Trayvon Martin hoax.

Anonymous moog April 09, 2012 4:07 PM  


What do you consider an alien culture?


If you have to ask that question you probably don't have a culture to defend anymore. There's no "outside" and no "inside" just a vague "humanity" and the usual collection of harridans hectoring people with shaming language implying "waycism".

Blogger Desert Cat April 09, 2012 4:20 PM  

Smarty Pants April 09, 2012 4:02 PM
Should we be for those with higher IQ's being allowed to engage in Polygamy so there are more children with good high IQ genes?


Now *there's* an idea. =^D

Blogger Markku April 09, 2012 4:21 PM  

And I assume the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.

Anonymous cherub's revenge April 09, 2012 4:23 PM  

We're not talking about the average Asian here we are talking about High IQ Asians.

I say we do this "high IQ hybrid" experiment with Israel first. I mean what could be better than crossing millions of high IQ Asians with the grandaddy IQs of them all, the Ashkenazi?

It's a small country, tight borders for experimental control and full of good scientists to monitor it. If it works out for them over 40 years I'll consider it. Deal?

Anonymous Geoff-UK April 09, 2012 4:24 PM  

[[[QUOTE]]]Markku April 09, 2012 3:36 PM

I think it will end with China seeing that its time has come, when the social cohesion in USA gets low enough. [[[ENDQUOTE]]]


No need. China doesn't need the headache of attacking the US--we have too many rednecks with guns. Lot easier for them to just take over the entire Pacific Rim with no interference from us. Good luck to our friends in Japan--they're going to need it. And you Aussies should learn to say "thank you sir, may I have another" in Mandarin. You guys gave up your guns, after all--don't be surprised when the local gangster comes calling when he knows you can't fight back.

Anonymous Gen. Kong April 09, 2012 4:32 PM  

Vox:
Sure they don't. Like the 19 year-old white guy who shot 5 black people in Tulsa two years after a black man shot and killed his father, right? When is the last time a white Generation X guy went on a serial spree killing blacks?

The 19 year-old shooter (Jake England) is at least partially Cherokee Indian*, as can be seen from his picture. His older companion in the shooting spree is obviously white. Not that it matters to "anti-racists" who know that even black-on-black murders are whitey's fault.

*I read somewhere that England had self-identified as Cherokee. The Cherokee are fairly numerous in OK, but by no means the only tribe present.

Anonymous Joshua_D April 09, 2012 5:00 PM  

England is a "White Cherokee", Gen. Kong. Get it right.

Blogger Doom April 09, 2012 5:08 PM  

Country Lawyer,

Treat someone like a monster long enough and they will come to believe it and become one.

I actually think that many of the things done by "liberals" is with the intent of creating the opposite effect, and for various commercial or social reasons. They intend to have the opposite of their proposed effect but their useful idiots get out and make it happen. Watch as species go extinct from animal rights activists lawsuits, watch as drinking water pollution increases as eco-idiots demand more laws (so as to break enforcement, corrupt the system just to supply water and thereby allow very tainted water to be consumed), watch as forests are destroyed thanks to the direct and indirect actions of "conservation groups", etc. It's a truly evil world. I no longer believe these people are insane, they are simply unscrupulous (evil).

Anonymous Justin April 09, 2012 5:15 PM  

"Stop affirmative action now, deport the illegals, enforce the border, put a moratorium on all immigration, and you will have satisfied the vast majority of those emotional "open racists" you talk about, who would be much happier with a reasonable, rational reform of the system, rather than a bloodbath."

You could be right, but I doubt it. The greatest racial tension in America is still between whites and blacks. Solving for Mexican immigration won't help that. Likewise, affirmative action may piss a lot of people off and cause more harm than good but blacks who attend Harvard are not the greatest cause of tension between blacks and whites. It's the violent crime in the streets that converts a liberal into a reactionary.

I don't see the productive value in constantly going on about blacks having lower IQ's than whites on average. It may be true, but pointing it out again and again doesn't solve anything.

Today 1 in 4 working age black males are out of the work force verses 1 in 10 in 1970. That problem is our key trend in rising racial tensions in the US. This trend is a function of culture not genetics. For instance, in 1970 many blacks were comfortable working as waiters and bartenders and many whites were comfortable dining at a place where the servers were black -- but how many blacks do you see working in white owned restaurants today? (Go to a restaurant in New Orleans to see the lone cultural exception.) It is as if the culture has become more segregated not less in forty years.

Anonymous Country Lawyer April 09, 2012 5:32 PM  

Doom,

On the racism bit, they've been playing on white guilt for so long, and the big kid on the playground has "taken it" for so long, and apologized and hung his head in shame, that they really don't expect a different reaction.

At some point the big kid either gives up entirely, or he snaps and flies into a rage. They expect the first reaction.

Anonymous Anonymous April 09, 2012 5:45 PM  

From personal experience the second reaction is more likely, since we're talking about a massive group of humans here.

Currently moderates and conservatives are becoming more openly aggressive about race, basically saying they aren't going to allow themselves to be bullied (as much) anymore. But if liberals break and come full circle, then the entire rotten structure will come down. Except firstly the abolition of the "white hispanic" category, and an ultimatum to all whites who have profited off selecting "hispanic" or "native american" or any minority group on the census- either fall in line with the rest of the whites or be treated like the minorities.

It will probably reach this point, seeing as grassroots republicans are tired of the war and the rolling over and the moderates are fed up with nothing getting done. That liberals could be the cause of a new Jim Crow is surprising to me since it's mostly their fault that racial tension in this country is building, what with 3 out of every 4 of the immigrants to arrive in this country since 1960 arriving between 1990 and 2010. By anyone's count that's far too rapid- 30 million immigrants, one third of them illegal and in just 20 years? Anyone would be pissed off. Currently immigration rates are falling due to the bad economy, but the immigrants themselves aren't leaving in great numbers. If the economy does rebound, and the recession ends, expect mass rage on the part of nativeborn Americans (mostly whites, and most of them young with many college grads) as they find themselves constantly competing with a renewed tide of immigrants trying to get those nice new jobs.

Now that all the jobs are overseas, unless there's another artificial bubble with non-essential jobs all over the place keeping people happily employed, which is hugely unlikely, expect anger.

In fact even if the economy doesn't recover, expect anger. OWS is just a leftist reaction to the lack of jobs for non-essential degrees. Once more essential (or anyway degrees that aren't plain stupid like Black Transvestite Studies) like engineering and biology graduate to find sparse jobs, the pressure will be on corporations that have brought in cheaper, harder working (because they don't want to lose their jobs and lose their greencard) immigrants.

We are headed for a time of great change, great upheaval. "We must secure a future for white children and the white race" will become the talk of the day. Hardship brings hate, and the Millenials (I know because I am one) have been raised to believe as long as we like the things society likes, and get a degree- any degree- then we will be successful. The next ten years will see our entitlement complex transformed into a torrent of hate.

Anonymous Anonymous April 09, 2012 7:36 PM  

Escape from new york was glimpse of the future, except everyone in the future new york confinement area will be black

Anonymous Sojourner April 09, 2012 7:45 PM  

Hot Air weighed in and they choose wrong. No need to head over there anymore either. Love when Morrisey mention's the bit about blacks being intellectually inferior to whites being stupid but doesn't show any reason why he's wrong.

The Right has lost it, and I suppose just like Christianity is in the midst of a great falling away from it's true principles so is it the same with politics. Wheat from chaff and all that.

Anonymous Sojourner April 09, 2012 7:51 PM  

BTW..I must be blind today but I'm missing wherever that PayPal link is on Derb's page. Any one have the direct link?

Anonymous Anonymous April 09, 2012 7:55 PM  

Difficult to even know where to begin to describe how and why you're wrong since you're wrong at so many different levels. I just encourage you to keep reading opinions on why Derbyshire made a fatal misstep, and keep thinking about it.

Anonymous Sojourner April 09, 2012 8:02 PM  

There's your damn problem...why should I read "opinions" refuting him when he posted actual factual evidence? Do people even comprehend what they're talking about anymore? I have yet to see ANYONE try and take down the facts he posted. Period.

Blogger JohnG April 09, 2012 8:49 PM  

Morrisey is a tard. His thing on the shooting (TraaaaaayVON wuz hunted down and shot like a DAWG!) a week or so ago was that you can't shoot anybody, even if they're beating your a$$. Most of the comments on that line mentioned was pro-Derb at least through the last couple pages of them. But just typical reflexive Republican cowardice in the face of being called a racist. Buchanan says the same thing, it's just couched in statistics. I swear, 0bama could engage in canabalism on the front lawn and nobody would say boo.

Anonymous bob k. mando April 09, 2012 8:51 PM  

That liberals could be the cause of a new Jim Crow is surprising to me

it shouldn't.

structurally, the position of the Democrats is exactly the same today as it was in 1850: racial preferences for one group and racial penalties for another.

the only thing that HAS changed in the intervening ~160 years is the racial designation of the former and latter groups.

the Republican position is also ( nominally ) still the same as it was in 1850: racial equality before the Law. the Republicans just don't have the balls to actually go through with it any more.

Anonymous bob k. mando April 09, 2012 8:58 PM  

the only problem i had with Derb's column were the items on finding a 'high IQ, middle class black' to befriend and how they were in such high demand.

not because this isn't probably quite true in the urban, SWPL areas. no. because it was DISRESPECTFUL TO ANY BLACK 'FRIENDS' THAT DERB MIGHT PURPORT TO HAVE.

seriously, you think Sowell is going to be eager to take phone calls from Derbyshire when Thomas KNOWS that part of the reason why Derb wants to call him a friend is as a protective 'amulet against charges of 'racism'?

Anonymous zen0 April 09, 2012 9:40 PM  

*I read somewhere that England had self-identified as Cherokee. The Cherokee are fairly numerous in OK, but by no means the only tribe present.

O goody. Search Jewish Cherokee and get this furball rollin'.

Jews shootin blacks! Hot damn.! All the categories get re-aligned.

Anonymous James Dixon April 09, 2012 9:46 PM  

> If people want to accept IQ as a hugely important factor in American success they should be for inviting smart Asians and Indians into America and allow them to take there best jobs and let them become a hugely successful minority.

What the *beep* do you think H-1B visas are used for?

> Like I said, there's less racism among the younger set.

Funny. I heard the same things said about both gen X and gen Y. How did that work out? According to you they're racist.

> Difficult to even know where to begin to describe how and why you're wrong since you're wrong at so many different levels.

Pick one. It's not that hard. We'll be waiting... and waiting... and waiting.

> I just encourage you to keep reading opinions on why Derbyshire made a fatal misstep, and keep thinking about it.

We know why. It doesn't seem that you do.

> I have yet to see ANYONE try and take down the facts he posted. Period.

And you won't. You won't even see someone seriously try to argue that the facts don't support his conclusions.

Anonymous fanofcarolus April 09, 2012 9:47 PM  

Here is a question to ponder: Will race work against Obama in 2012 as much as it worked for him in 2008.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler April 09, 2012 10:03 PM  

The victims of NR are Buchanan, Sobran, and Francis. They were ALL right on! Enoch Powell was right too! Buchanan, Sobran, Powell, and Francis were all nationalists.

I too quit reading NR twenty years ago. It was just plain awful and not really conservative at all.

Vox, your post is excellent! Right on!

Blogger Matthew April 09, 2012 10:07 PM  

Sojourner, it's a bright yellow button marked Donate, just to the right of his "mugshots".

Anonymous bob k. mando April 09, 2012 10:23 PM  

Steyn makes a cogent point about NR's inherent hypocrisy:
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/295591/re-derb-mark-steyn
"PS If Derb’s piece is sufficiently beyond the pale that its author must be terminated immediately, why is its publisher — our old friend Taki — proudly listed on the NR masthead?"

one wonders if Steyn will develop the spine to resign to the rhyme ...

Anonymous Anonymous April 09, 2012 11:54 PM  

http://lewrockwell.com/williams-w/w-williams120.html

Anonymous Roundtine April 10, 2012 12:30 AM  

"I understand the sin of assuming too much, but shouldn't the discussion be in the correct context? Of course it should."

Joe, I wasn't talking to you directly because I assumed you were not speaking in the first person as having purged Derb yourself. I was speaking of liberalism. An ideology can only purge in the name of progress for so long before it starts losing important things, like the truth. Also, NR would fit into the description as well, they can only purge "controversial" writers for so long before they have none left and later realize, they also do not have any great writers or thinkers left. It seems that purging Derb may be the point at which they too are sitting in a car with no wheels, going nowhere.

Anonymous Papapete April 10, 2012 12:53 AM  

"Consider the possibility that IQ determines or strongly influences culture, and not the other way round. Raise all black babies in adopted, white upper middle class SWPL families, and they'll still be a standard deviation lower IQ than whites on average. And they'll tend to recreate their own anti-intellectual culture again if left to their own devices."

I did and what I am saying is that in my experience what you're saying isn't true. No I don't have mass data to back me up but I do have what I have seen, both as a child and as an adult. A number of white families I have known have adopted black babies and those children have grown up high-achieving families and have become high achievers themselves. I'm not claiming scientific authority but I do know what I've seen and experienced, including several families in my church who have adopted babies from Burundi and Rwanda. Those children seem to be just as smart and with just as high a potential as the natural born children in the family.

Certainly I could be wrong, but I haven't been convinced otherwise as yet.

Anonymous Soga April 10, 2012 1:13 AM  

Whoever thinks that Millennials aren't racist haven't played any recent online video games...

Anonymous Anonymous April 10, 2012 1:50 AM  

Anonymous at 7:55 at 9pm

I need to know why you think Derbyshire made a fatal misstep.

I have my reasons, but I want to hear someone else's reasons for having the same opinion as me.

Anonymous Dat_Truth_hurts April 10, 2012 1:58 AM  

@ Papapete

The Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study:

This 1976 study tested the IQs of white, black, and mixed-race
children, all adopted by advantaged white families. As always,
whites scored about 15 points higher than blacks. Mixed-race
children placed according to their genetic makeup, partway
between white and black (despite the double discrimination
mixed-race children face).

Twelve families mistakenly believed their mixed-race child was black, and raised them accordingly; those children scored like the other mixed-race children (similar genes), not like the black children (similar environment).

Blogger Jamie-R April 10, 2012 3:27 AM  

All NR is doing is protecting the party, but I don't see why conservatives are against this, no one who is offended by it will be voting for them at the coming election, and they will find offending rednecks and conservatives to be a much larger problem. They don't live out in places like Sanford, these NR writers, and they don't experience the realities others do. Voters are everywhere, and seemingly, they assume black and liberal voters are the ones they need to be worried about when 'protecting the brand'. Idiots, all of them.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza April 10, 2012 7:29 AM  

"It's a little-known fact, but I was once selected as the heir apparent to William F. Buckley by his syndicate, Universal Press Syndicate."

I forgot to say how cool that was, congrats. But WND was a better choice. It is more dignified to be affiliated with Mercer and Buchanan over X.

Anonymous Jesh April 10, 2012 8:26 AM  

Yankees hands down. Boston is 2nd but not nearly like the Yanks. People are probably giving Yankees tickets away because they are a horrible team. In general I hate New York teams the most though- especially the Jets.

Anonymous Anonymous April 10, 2012 2:35 PM  

@Ghost
"The only thing I disagreed with Derb about in his article was limiting the warnings to being about blacks. I would have included la raza."

Well,I think the first warning should have been about the foremost fifth columnists in USA,the Jews.

Anonymous Jimmy April 10, 2012 4:57 PM  

"All NR is doing is protecting the party"

You do know that the Right is always doing a poor job of defending its views. It is pathetic. This action against Derb is about protecting its own bacon against the Liberal propaganda machine. This is not to say that Derb is right or not.

Anonymous Surak April 11, 2012 5:50 AM  

Differences in intelligence have nothing to do with the failure of the civil rights movement to end racism. The problem is that civil rights was corrupted by those who turned it into the anti-discrimination movement. The turning point for America in regard to concerns about racism, sexism, and all the other isms was the redefinition of the word 'discrimination.' Until the late 1960s, the definition of discrimination was something like this, 'The ability to see differences... considered a higher ability than generalization.' In other words, discrimination was something positive that intelligent people did. By the early 1970s the definition had been deliberately (and brilliantly) changed to, 'To treat others badly on account of differences in race, gender and other factors.' As soon as discrimination was no longer a postive thing to do, Americans lost the right to make many of the most important decisions about their lives.

The reality is that there are countless differences among groups of people that need to be taken into account by any sane person. Those differences are primarily cultural, but people get confused because cultural differences often run parallel to racial or ethnic differences. People treat the obvious but trivial physical differences as causally important while missing or denying the all-important cultural differences. That, for instance, is why Jamaican-Americans have consistently done better than and don't generally get along with American-born blacks.

Genuine racism is stupid (and rare in America), but all people do and must discriminate to succeed or even survive. In other words, we are all guilty and in constant fear of being found out. Read the book Risk to understand how people try to ensure their well-being and that of their loved ones - you will find that life is a matter of playing the odds. We can seldom have adequate knowledge about individuals we encounter, so we use easily observable indicators such as race, gender, age, clothing, body language, etc. to make what must often be split-second guesses or extremely important decisions about a person's values or intent. Taking away peoples' right to discriminate is the ultimate suicidal collectivization of society.

Many of America's problems would be solved if discrimination came back into fashion. Violence, threats and harrassment directed at others who are different is always wrong, cannot ever be tolerated, and must be prevented or punished. But people should be allowed to decide who they will associate with or do business with. Imagine society as a rock polisher. You put rocks into the tumbler, add water, and start the tumbler. Days later all you have is wet rocks. To get the rocks polished and beautiful you have to add some kind of grit to the tumbling process. That's what discrimination is to society. That's why the American dream worked until the government became determined and powerful enough to outlaw such a fundamental human process.

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