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Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Plato and the fear of raciss

I find the behavior of some white readers here to be tremendously informative with regards to the way in which they react to the occasional "Vibrancy is our strength" posts. What is quite clear to me is that despite the evidence of some 40+ years of affirmative action and forced integration achieving little more than exchanging segregated neighborhoods for segregated schools and the highest incarceration rate on the planet, many white Americans, even conservative white Americans, are so afraid of being called raciss that they will bury their heads in the sand rather than recognize the readily observable realities of their multi-ethnic society.

Now, it's important to first understand that social homogeneity has been considered to be a vital aspect of civilization for more than a thousand years before the Northern Europeans were civilized. Consider Karl Popper's summary of Plato:

"Plato’s theory was a form of the organic theory of the state, even if he had not sometimes spoken of the state as an organism. But since he did this, there can be no doubt left that he must be described as an exponent, or rather, as one of the originators, of this theory. His version of this theory may be characterized as a personalist or psychological one, since he describes the state not in a general way as similar to some organism or other, but as analogous to the human individual, and more specifically to the human soul. Especially the disease of the state, the dissolution of its unity, corresponds to the disease of the human soul, of human nature. In fact, the disease of the state is not only correlated with, but is directly produced by, the corruption of human nature, more especially of the members of the ruling class. Every single one of the typical stages in the degeneration of the state is brought about by a corresponding stage in the degeneration of the human soul, of human nature, of the human race. And since this moral degeneration is interpreted as based upon racial degeneration, we might say that the biological element in Plato’s naturalism turns out, in the end, to have the most important part in the foundation of his historicism. For the history of the downfall of the first or perfect state is nothing but the history of the biological degeneration of the race of men."

Now, I am an anti-Platonist and anti-idealist, so please don't confuse his arguments with mine. My object in quoting that passage from The Open Society and Its Enemies is merely to point out that the connection between a heterogeneous population and the degeneration and ultimate downfall of the state has been understood for more than 2,360 years. I note that it is tremendously ironic that so many of the stated objectives of modern left-liberals have their roots in Plato's political philosophy even though those objectives are structurally undermined by the left's simultaneous rejection of Plato's core postulates as well as the structural basis of his ideal state. As Popper points out, Plato is the ultimate reactionary; his philosophy is not so much conservative or reactionary as literally prehistoric, and those progressives who look to his utopian ideals as a guide are attempting to progress to an imaginary prehistory.

But that doesn't mean all of his social observations are incorrect, to the contrary, we have seen the pattern play out over and over again. The ongoing breakdown of the European Union can be seen as a straightforward application of the inevitable degeneration of the multi-ethnic state, in that the Germans are unwilling to make the same sacrifices for the Greeks, the Italians, and the Spanish that the West Germans were willing to make on behalf of the East Germans only twenty years ago.

Now, I think Plato observed the symptoms and correctly diagnosed the disease, but came up with an insane plan of treatment to place the patient in a permanent induced coma. Multi-ethnicity is, when viewed through the lens of the organic theory of the state, a societal cancer. Like cancer, it will either be excised or the state will die. The proponents of universal equalitarianism and diversity have not only rejected this long-recognized principle, but have made a fundamental error in grasping the difficulty of civilizing human populations. They believe that civilization is a pure accident of geography, that if one takes a highly civilized group of people from an advanced civilization and places them in a barbarian culture, within three generations that group will turn into barbarians behaving in a manner identical to the barbarians around them, and that if one takes a wholly uncivilized group of people from an barbarian culture and places them in a highly civilized culture, within three generations that group will turn into highly civilized people behaving in a manner identical to the highly civilized people around them. It's little more than replacing Plato with William Golding, and works about as well as replacing the most influential philosopher in human history with a petty novelist would lead you to expect.

In light of this juxtaposition of Plato with Golding, consider the following news report from the UK:
A gang of 20 hooded youths stormed a pub after the Champions League final before dragging away a 25-year old man and stabbing him to death in scenes 'like a horror film', friends said today. 'True gent' Luke Fitzpatrick was killed and his father Bernard, who threw himself on top of his son in a desperate attempt to shield him, remains in a critical condition in hospital after being stabbed four times. The pair were attacked when a gang armed with bats and knives stormed the north London pub after father and son had watched Chelsea win the cup together at on Saturday.... 'There were about 20 young black guys all with their hoods up armed with sticks and bats and knives. They just ran in the pub and started trying to attack people. It was really frightening. But it should not have happened to Luke, it shouldn’t have happened to anyone, but he was a complete innocent.'
Now, had this happened in the USA, it would be blamed on the legacy of American slavery. Of course, there is no black legacy of slavery in England; the "youfs" are most likely descended from Africans who immigrated to the UK from the Caribbean as the 1948 Windrush generation, or directly from Africa in more recent years. There are at least 200 years separating the Afro-Caribbeans of the UK from the African American population, possibly as much as 340 years in the Western hemisphere alone. And yet, the similar behavior of both African populations, particularly in the predilection of young male Africans for committing crude and violent mob attacks on innocent non-Africans minding their own business, is readily observable and gives the lie to the diversity crew's theory that civilization is vicinity-based and can be successfully installed in a population in a few generations or less.

This isn't to say any one race or population group is necessarily any more or less capable of civilization than another; remember that it took more than 1,200 years for the white Northern Europeans to become civilized despite their close contact with Roman civilization. The challenge is that since it obviously takes more than the 360 years that the African population has been exposed to European civilization for a people to become fully civilized, the societies of the West are not merely betting their civilizations on the correctness of the fictional Golding theory, they are doing so in the face of more than 2,500 years of historical evidence. Now, if one wishes to dismiss all of philosophy dating back to Plato, all of the criminal statistics compiled by the various national police forces, and the entire written historical record in favor of crying raciss, that's perfectly fine. MPAI. But don't do so in the belief that your position is a serious one that is intellectually credible in any way, shape, or form.

History doesn't care how it makes anyone feel. The objective truth cannot, by definition, be defined, let alone influenced, by subjective or dynamic elements. If one wishes to contest facts and observations, that's intellectually legitimate, but it is the very singular reliance upon the rhetoric of racism that should be one's first clue that the multiculturalists and diversity advocates know they have nothing.

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Anonymous Idle Spectator May 22, 2012 6:20 AM  

You think you are excited about vibrancy? Feel these nipples!

Anonymous TLM May 22, 2012 6:51 AM  

Actually, if the reports from England are accurate, the UK nigs appear to be more brazen then their American cuzins. The black terror on whitey seems to be concentrated in major city shitholes and less likely to happen in states with liberal gun laws and/or a population of Americans who still dont believe in taking s*it from anyone, especially some young punk hood rat. When one considers British history, its amazing how such a people became so neutered.

Anonymous Roundtine May 22, 2012 6:52 AM  

Even though demographics are very clear and easy to understand, people cannot change their thinking. They have not studied history. They do not grok the situation. Just like if you laid out why the U.S. or Europe was going broke in 2000, they might see the merit of the argument, but not comprehend what it means. They cannot imagine the change because they are the frog in the well: they only see a small piece of the sky, the present.

Blogger mmaier2112 May 22, 2012 7:05 AM  

"... in that the Germans are unwilling to make the same sacrifices for the Greeks, the Italians, and the Spanish that the West Germans were willing to make on behalf of the East Germans only twenty years ago."

Excellent observation.

But this reminds me, I need to stock up on ammo and get a shotgun.

I might have some racist tendencies to work out, you know?

Blogger Nate May 22, 2012 7:10 AM  

This post reminds me of the controversies about the word niggardly.

Anonymous dan May 22, 2012 7:40 AM  

So, what's next? Tribalism?

If a (alleged) common culture, an military force or a commonly held Constitution will not hold a Country together, what will? Even the term "Nation" has come to refer to different ethnic groups within the same political confines.

It all sounds pretty bleak.

Blogger Vox May 22, 2012 7:49 AM  

So, what's next? Tribalism?

Dynamic political geography, war, and ethnic cleansing.

Anonymous formerly no name May 22, 2012 7:49 AM  

In the days when it was over 90% white, Detroit was known as the "Paris of the West."
Detroit vs. Pittsburgh: The Difference between 'Most Miserable' and 'Most Livable' is Skin-Deep

Blogger Nate May 22, 2012 8:04 AM  

"Dynamic political geography, war, and ethnic cleansing."

in the short term. In the long term we can look for the dominant government style through the world to change to rule by the elite. China is already there. I know everyone thinks china is commie... but if you note the government appointments are all handed down to the children of various officials. Princelings... if you will. hell they even have their own little town to grow up in.

Blogger finndistan May 22, 2012 8:10 AM  

Vibrancy is strength... Let's ask that to vibrants.

Was sitting with three girls, from different backgrounds that are origins of vibration.

Various quotes, none mine, from a three hour chat:
"First I thought you were from xxx (vibrant place), I had not talked with you then" says one girl
"They hate us, we hate them, so simple"
"She was dating a guy from zzz (vibrant place)"..."Whore"...
"These men I call street dogs".. "not all".. "no, so what.. street dogs they are"..pointing to the group of 15 africans hanging around behind us..."watch out what you say"..."they are black, so what?"...laughing,"they will burn you"..."I speak what I think"
"(different)She hangs out with street dogs"..."Yea, she is a rat (said with more disgust than the previous "whore")"...

This is a little sample of the conversation I just listened through and found fascinating.

Even the ones with majorly vibrating origins do not favor vibrancy.

Looking at the origin places of vibrancies, none of them follow the mantra "diversity is strength", it is more like "if you are different, burn or die, or both".

Funny, how Europeans are the only ones whose politics are based on vibrancy rather than benefiting the nation.

What are the chances that if the people in the puc resisted they would be charged with hate crimes?

It is high time that we start talking about crimes of treason. The word has to make itself into the society, it will vibrate the non-vibrating population into awakening. simple things, like diversity & proximity is war..., if you so much like diversity why you live in a european neighborhood, why is it the poor westerners do not create ghettos but we have to provide downtown housing to vibrants so no ghettos will be formed... etc etc, or simple slogans, based on facts but working as slogans, referencing to treason, genocide, rape, assault, i.e. simple bu effective things, insults and accusations.

Lessons to be taken from the leftist's books, from their abortion campaigns, antifa assaults, etc etc

Anonymous Travis May 22, 2012 8:18 AM  

The thing that holds me back to make such statements as Vox is the fact that we all know plenty of minorities who do the right thing...good fathers, husbands, and employees. So if we can witness upright moral men/women minorities in our own lives we know race is not something that prevents assimilation and good virtues from existing. If a few can do it right than the masses can do it right.

Anonymous Smarty Pants May 22, 2012 8:20 AM  

I don't get all the references to Golding.

Also Aristotle is the more influential philosopher.

Anonymous ijjjji May 22, 2012 8:27 AM  

Beautifully written, Vox. Multiculturalism is a cancer. A terminal one. But thug Africans or peaceful northern Asians, the result is the same, the eradication of one people and their replacement with others. That's important to remember.

Anonymous Allabaster May 22, 2012 8:27 AM  

If it does not come from a zombie plague, I'm sure the collapse of western government will bring us the kingdom of Nate sooner or later.

Anonymous Splash Daddy May 22, 2012 8:34 AM  

"I find the behavior of some white readers..."

It's because most people don't really know how to think, they only know how to feel. It is also complicated by their "kindergarden Christian" mindset - it's a small world after all. They have a black or hispanic neighbor who is an educated professional, Christian, etc., just like him. Since he likes this person, and since he is the only close contact of that race, he feels it is wrong when someone expresses a negative stereotype. He refuses to consider that his friend is an exception even though the evidence is clear that his friend is an exception.

Most people also can't seem to grasp that a limited flow of immigrants can be assimulated into a host culture whereas a tsumani of immigrants simply transfers their native culture to the host.

Anonymous Roundtine May 22, 2012 8:37 AM  

What's the timeline on the tribalism? Many Hispanics self-report as white and there's always the Sailer strategy of breaking one group out of the Democrat majority. Furthermore, most minorities live in proximity to each other, increasing the odds of intra-minority conflict rather than minority-white conflict. Or let's say the Hispanics decide they want the Southwest, I could see blacks being strongly opposed to that.

Anonymous Salt May 22, 2012 8:44 AM  

He refuses to consider that his friend is an exception even though the evidence is clear that his friend is an exception.

Most non-whites I know who fit this descriptor admit that they are just that. They too don't appreciate the average non-white ethnic vibrancy.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza May 22, 2012 8:47 AM  

Great wisdom.

"This isn't to say any one race or population group is necessarily any more or less capable of civilization than another; remember that it took more than 1,200 years for the white Northern Europeans to become civilized despite their close contact with Roman civilization. The challenge is that since it obviously takes more than the 360 years that the African population has been exposed to European civilization for a people to become fully civilized, the societies of the West are not merely betting their civilizations on the correctness of the fictional Golding theory, they are doing so in the face of more than 2,500 years of historical evidence. Now, if one wishes to dismiss all of philosophy dating back to Plato, all of the criminal statistics compiled by the various national police forces, and the entire written historical record in favor of crying raciss, that's perfectly fine. MPAI. But don't do so in the belief that your position is a serious one that is intellectually credible in any way, shape, or form."


A few weeks ago I felt a little pressured to write a post that I didn't really believe in as it related to painting an entire situation racisssss! I learned that it was not the correct decision even though it seemed like a 'nice' thing to do. I learned that feelings, fears and being nice have no place in this topic.

Multi-culti and the ignoring of the obvious is plain stupid. It is indeed playing a dumb ostrich.

Blogger Vox May 22, 2012 8:52 AM  

So if we can witness upright moral men/women minorities in our own lives we know race is not something that prevents assimilation and good virtues from existing. If a few can do it right than the masses can do it right.

You're confusing assimilation and training with civilization. The question isn't what the few do when they're surrounded by advanced examples, it's what they would do if surrounded by their own and free of any civilizational pressures. Consider the behavior of various third world dictators. Bashar al-Assad did his postgraduate work in London. Saloth Sar was educated at the Sorbonne. They were fully assimilated, returned home, and ruled as barbarian kings.

After 400 years of exposure, plenty of individual Africans are capable of being productive, law-abiding citizens in a European civilization. This does not mean they are capable of maintaining a European-style civilization on their own, much less developing one. History suggests that they will need at least another 800 years for that. In the meantime, it is a gargantuan mistake and a veritable crime against everyone, Europeans and Africans alike, to permit the various pre-civilized populations to destroy the civilized societies.

It's simply not true to claim the African American of today is the savage that the African tribesman of 500 years ago was. But it is equally untrue to think that after 400 years of exposure to civilization, he can be expected to be identical with other populations who have benefited from 2,000 years of exposure to civilization, including around 800 years of being civilized.

The evidence is all there. These are straightforward claims that can be readily reviewed.

Blogger Vox May 22, 2012 8:53 AM  

I should add that it is not only equally untrue, it is spectacularly unfair.

Anonymous hmi May 22, 2012 8:54 AM  

There may be arguments for some political benefit to uniform populations, but they aren't Plato's (and Popper is one of the worst guides to Platonic thought). More specifically, there are some arguments to that effect in The Republic, but it is fairly easy to show that they are all undercut by other considerations in the dialogue; only a flat reading of that dialogue, one that takes everything Socrates puts forward at face value (and that simplistically identifies Socrates as the unique bearer of Plato's "message"), could result in the conclusion that Plato was a reactionary who championed the thought that heterogeneous populations lead to "the degeneration and ultimate downfall of the state."

We might begin at the beginning of the Republic, where Socrates is outside of Athens proper, having gone down to Piraeus to witness a foreign goddess (Bendis) being welcomed to the city. Without anyone asking him a thing, Socrates volunteers that the parade the Athenians put on was good, but that the one put on by the Thracians was equally as good. These are not the words of someone who is a simple advocate of reactionary purity, and the entire rest of the dialogue has to be understood against this dramatic fact that Plato put into the second sentence of the dialogue. It is also necessary to consider what to make of the fact that the conversation Socrates will narrate takes place entirely at the home of Cephalus, a foreigner and friend.

Plato may be no friend to contemporary progressives, but neither is he much comfort to reactionaries—which ought not be much of a surprise after reading a couple of dozen dialogues in which Socrates is forever extolling moderation.

Blogger Vox May 22, 2012 8:55 AM  

Also Aristotle is the more influential philosopher.

Depends upon your perspective. In the socio-political arena, I think it's very clear that Plato is much more influential.

In the long term we can look for the dominant government style through the world to change to rule by the elite.

That's what the Ciceronian cycle indicates. Democracy leading to aristocracy.

Blogger Nate May 22, 2012 8:56 AM  

"If it does not come from a zombie plague, I'm sure the collapse of western government will bring us the kingdom of Nate sooner or later."

Hey.

There are worse super villian world dictators. I would pretty much build a massive palace.. take on a bunch of concubines and whiskey and set about to becoming the most powerful drunk hermit in the world.

Blogger Nate May 22, 2012 8:57 AM  

"That's what the Ciceronian cycle indicates. Democracy leading to aristocracy."

its my theory that China vindicates his position.

Anonymous Shutterbug May 22, 2012 8:58 AM  

"...why is it the poor westerners do not create ghettos but we have to provide downtown housing to vibrants so no ghettos will be formed..."

Poor westerners do to create ghettos. They're called trailer parks.

Blogger Vox May 22, 2012 8:59 AM  

More specifically, there are some arguments to that effect in The Republic, but it is fairly easy to show that they are all undercut by other considerations in the dialogue; only a flat reading of that dialogue, one that takes everything Socrates puts forward at face value (and that simplistically identifies Socrates as the unique bearer of Plato's "message"), could result in the conclusion that Plato was a reactionary who championed the thought that heterogeneous populations lead to "the degeneration and ultimate downfall of the state."

Popper not only successfully anticipates your argument, but is careful to point out sections of The Laws and other references to underline his claim. I'm a little amused by your "flat reading" and "simplistic" claim, as you appear to be imitating the discredited "Delavagus"-style approach. But rather than get derailed by a tangential topic here, I will address your point in a future post and we can discuss it then.

Blogger Nate May 22, 2012 9:06 AM  

"flat reading" is the new "nuance".

Anonymous hmi May 22, 2012 9:07 AM  

Popper was a smart guy who understood Plato poorly, and a screwed up interpretation of one dialogue is scarcely helped by adding in a similarly useless interpretation of another. I have no idea how Delavagus reads Plato, but I would be interested to hear why you think the dramatic setting of a Platonic dialogue is irrelevant to its meaning. I'd be happy to discuss that issue anytime.

Anonymous cannibal May 22, 2012 9:08 AM  

I have a friend who I will use as an example to demonstrate a point. She's a small-town girl that grew up with a bunch of teachers constantly teaching her the 'right-thinking' viewpoints: diversity is strength, the sexes are perfectly interchangeable, blank slate, nurture over nature, all poor and minority people have a type of moral clarity that other groups have lost, caring a lot about career success indicates a stunted personality, the left is full of smarter and morally superior people, all people are unique and special individuals, etc. ad infinitum ad nauseum. Basically, standard leftist fare, much of which is mutually incompatible, but let's leave that aside for now. She is of somewhat above average intelligence like any college student, but not particularly bright, although her 'right-thinking' beliefs carry with them the assumption that she is both morally and intellectually superior to the yokels that think differently than her. She is extremely quick to start speaking the party line and condemn anybody who does not, and has a prepared list of exceptions to any general trend somebody might espouse. In sum, she is a card-carrying member of what might be called the Slave Left: not particularly bright, doesn't question the party line, doesn't herself particularly understand the party line, but condemns anybody who does.

The problem is the Slave Left controls such a gigantic portion of public opinion that nobody dares to question it. It's like the revolutions that would sweep across a country quickly if given the opportunity but never start because nobody is willing to fire the first shot. Everybody is scared and thinks that they would have few supporters or worse are completely alone in doubting the 'right-thinking' lessons we've all been taught, and nobody wants to face the whole weight of society crashing down on them alone, whether from their boss, their friends, their church, their parents, their kids, even their spouse. To make it in this country, whether in the media, in government, in law, in business, whatever, you HAVE to espouse those opinions and woe be to those who do not.

Anonymous James Dixon May 22, 2012 9:24 AM  

> If a few can do it right than the masses can do it right.

It almost always unwise to generalize from the few to the many.

Blogger finndistan May 22, 2012 9:27 AM  

Trailer parks are not places where the police cannot enter unless armored, emergency vehicles cannot enter unless protected by police, women cannot walk safely unless protected by men, blonde women cannot walk safely even if they are protected by men, do not have leakages that go and rape and assault in other non-ghetto parts of town.

Trailer parks compared to ghettos is comparing a zit to skin cancer.

Anonymous The Anti-Gnostic May 22, 2012 9:32 AM  

If a few can do it right than the masses can do it right.

No they can't, no more than just because Bill Gates is smart, wealthy and devoted to his family means everybody can be smart, wealthy and devoted to their families.

Blacks, like everybody else, fall along a bell curve for g-intelligence and time preference. Their median is lower than Anglo-European medians and their right side-tail is thinner. They will never assimilate; the medians are just too far apart. It's the same story EVERYWHERE: the First Nations in Canada, Aboriginals in Australia, Roma in Europe, Africans in America.

Nations are people, not ideas. We would all be happier if the various nations withdrew to their own geographic redoubts and interacted or not as they chose. I would add that the net effect of affirmative action and immigration is to deprive lower-g nations of their natural elite and middle class backbone. The exodus of Arab Christians from the Middle East is a good example of this.

Anonymous the abe May 22, 2012 9:35 AM  

Completely breaking with cultural programming is a spectacular feat. Martin Heidegger suggests that Geworfenheit is impossible to break clean and free of. (for more on that, check out Open Society vol. 2)

While I roundly reject secular humanism, I'd be lying if I said I'm still not tainted by it at gutteral levels through years reared in public schools & elitist pop culture.

But there is hope, after all.

Because they say a conservative is just a liberal who got...

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus May 22, 2012 9:36 AM  

Of course, Plato was black, and the Greeks stole all of their philosophy from Africa, as we all know.

Blogger Nate May 22, 2012 9:40 AM  

"If a few can do it right than the masses can do it right."

The ability to become civilized is not the issue. The issue is... how long will it take for them to do so?

No doubt the romans had this same internal debate about the ability of the blue butted barbarians to the north. The point is that we don't have 2000 years to civilize them.

Anonymous Boris May 22, 2012 9:42 AM  

I don't see how this is anything more than confirmation bias. A sensationalized story about some gangs committing race-related violence is taken as emblematic of the culture. However, racial violence (in the US at least) is at the lowest point in history--except for a spike in white hate crimes after Obama's election. (Of course, many of your rage-addled white supremacist readers thin that any crime committed by someone black against someone white is automatically racial, but that is nonsense.)

And then, according to the selfsame FBI statistics that these same low-rent white commenters masturbate to, whites commit more racially motivated hate crimes than blacks--by a wide margin. But facts are often ignored to keep one's indefensible ideologies safe and warm.

Anonymous Daniel May 22, 2012 9:46 AM  

Vox
Consider the behavior of various third world dictators. Bashar al-Assad did his postgraduate work in London. Saloth Sar was educated at the Sorbonne. They were fully assimilated, returned home, and ruled as barbarian kings.

See also Jay-Z. Why else does the concept of "fronting" exist? Civilization with a backbone can be as personally dangerous to the willfully uncivilized as barbarism will be to the naive but civilized.

Barbarians aren't stupid. The successful ones know how to mimic civilization for gain or to protect their own hide. Barbarians will temporarily set aside Whiskey Tango Foxtrot behavior when Civilization implements rule 303, after all.

Anonymous The Anti-Gnostic May 22, 2012 9:53 AM  

And then, according to the selfsame FBI statistics that these same low-rent white commenters masturbate to, whites commit more racially motivated hate crimes than blacks--by a wide margin. But facts are often ignored to keep one's indefensible ideologies safe and warm.

"white" = latino, when they want the numbers to come out that way. Also, this is a carefully parsed statistic. White assaults on blacks can be "hate crimes," while the six-to-ten times more black assaults on whites drop out of your metric.

I notice your disdain for "low-rent." All the multi-culty liberals I know will pay a $50-100K premium for a house with white neighbors.

Anonymous camelite May 22, 2012 10:08 AM  

'civilization' V 'exposure to civilization': Discuss the difference (nice little pivot at the end there Vox)

p.s. I had a longer comment but lost since blogspot now assumes you want to use your gmail account to comment.

Blogger Nate May 22, 2012 10:10 AM  

"I don't see how this is anything more than confirmation bias."

Oh look... its Boris.

Look mate... you keep bringing up confirmation bias. We have word for that... we call it "projection."

I note you once managed to use the phrase in the very same comment where you laid out the excuses you would use to dismiss the evidence that may be presented pre-emptively.

We also have a word for that. We call it "cognitive dissonance".


So sincerely... and with all due respect... piss off.

You're no where near tall enough for this ride.

Blogger Vox May 22, 2012 10:15 AM  

Popper was a smart guy who understood Plato poorly, and a screwed up interpretation of one dialogue is scarcely helped by adding in a similarly useless interpretation of another. I have no idea how Delavagus reads Plato, but I would be interested to hear why you think the dramatic setting of a Platonic dialogue is irrelevant to its meaning. I'd be happy to discuss that issue anytime.

Sounds good. I won't deny that what I've read of Popper's interpretation is contrary to the ones taught to me in my Classics classes, and while I have read several of the dialogues as well as most of the Republic, I wouldn't say that I have sufficient grasp of the details to have my own position. Nor am I any sort of Popperian fan boy. But we'll obviously discuss all that sort of thing in the future. Out of curiosity, have you read The Open Society and Its Enemies?

Blogger Vox May 22, 2012 10:21 AM  

I don't see how this is anything more than confirmation bias. A sensationalized story about some gangs committing race-related violence is taken as emblematic of the culture. However, racial violence (in the US at least) is at the lowest point in history--except for a spike in white hate crimes after Obama's election.

That's because by your own admission, you don't keep up on the news and are therefore entirely unfamiliar with the pattern of behavior of unprovoked mob attacks by Africans on non-Africans. Furthermore - and I will do a post on this soon - the reason overall crime is down is because 40 percent of Africans between the ages of 20-29 have been incarcerated and over 30 percent are under supervision of the criminal justice system, mostly courtesy of the drug laws.

In other words, the U.S. system addresses the real problem, but does so indirectly, inefficiently, and unjustly, locking up hundreds of thousands of young Africans who have not and will never harm anyone simply to catch the tens of thousands who are incapable of controlling their violent savagery.

Anonymous Fatherof10 May 22, 2012 10:38 AM  

Could this be the start of civilizing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR_k227Ilbs

Anonymous The other skeptic May 22, 2012 10:44 AM  

"Now, had this happened in the USA, it would be blamed on the legacy of American slavery. Of course, there is no black legacy of slavery in England; the "youfs" are most likely descended from Africans who immigrated to the UK from the Caribbean as the 1948 Windrush generation,"

Bingo. Legacy of American Slavery.

Anonymous hmi May 22, 2012 10:50 AM  

"But we'll obviously discuss all that sort of thing in the future. Out of curiosity, have you read The Open Society and Its Enemies?"

I hesitate to say yes, as I read it roughly 35 years ago. Clearly, he knew something about the disasters of modern totalitarianism, and I recall thinking he was somewhat interesting on Hegel, but it was also clear to me that Plato was not his strong suite. I sold off my copy of Open Society around 1983 and have never looked at it again—I would not be competent to discuss it in any detail. But Plato—anytime.

Anonymous The other skeptic May 22, 2012 10:51 AM  

White males are just such unproductive, civilization destroying ass-holes

We will no doubt find in due course that he is Scotts-Irish.

Blogger Vox May 22, 2012 10:52 AM  

Bingo. Legacy of American Slavery.

It would certainly make for an interesting argument. They can't shake off the legacy of slavery that ended 178 years ago in a different country in a different continent, but merely moving them to London is sufficient to otherwise civilize them. But if you think about it, the "legacy of slavery" argument is little more than a watered-down version of the more historically supported "thousand years to civilization" concept.

Blogger The Aardvark May 22, 2012 10:53 AM  

Rantlet involving the name-calling of the Left
here .

Anonymous The other skeptic May 22, 2012 10:55 AM  

No doubt, though, hmi has read the source documents that Kurland and Learner discuss.

Anonymous Anonymous because the truth could get me fired May 22, 2012 10:56 AM  

Vox wrote, This isn't to say any one race or population group is necessarily any more or less capable of civilization than another; remember that it took more than 1,200 years for the white Northern Europeans to become civilized despite their close contact with Roman civilization.

Maybe this isn't to say so, but it's still true: Some population groups are more capable of civilization than others.

I disagree about the time it took Northern Europeans to adopt "civilization". A few more-or-less random thoughts:

-Northern European peoples had a head start. A rape and pillage economy is very far from civilization, but I suspect there were still more prominent elements of civilized behavior among the Germans and Vikings than among almost any non-Arab African people group today. I doubt there are many comparable examples from Africa. I could be wrong, of course; other than a single PC African history class in college, I admit to knowing little about it.
-Much (most?) of Northern Europe was never under Roman rule. They were influenced by Rome and hired as mercenaries, but never conquered. Africa, on the other hand, was entirely conquered by European powers and ruled by them for at least a century--much longer than that in some areas. The Vikings and Germans adopted civilization almost entirely on their own.
-Northern Europe was civilized more by Christianity than by Rome. As Olaf & Company converted to Christianity so did their culture. Government, religion, and family life all became more civilized. Africa, on the other hand, holds the oldest continuously Christian nation on the planet. The Coptic church predates the Lutherans, the Cambrians, and the Catholics, and Ethiopia is still hell compared to the Soviet Union under Krushchev.

Anonymous Shild May 22, 2012 10:57 AM  

civ·i·lized
adjective
1. having an advanced or humane culture, society, etc.
2. polite; well-bred; refined.
3. of or pertaining to civilized people: The civilized world must fight ignorance.
4. easy to manage or control; well organized or ordered: The car is quiet and civilized, even in sharp turns.


Could you possibly write more about your definition of "civilized" and the specific differences between civilized and non-civilized people? Do you think it's primarily a difference of beliefs (religion, philosophy, etc) or genetics? Genetics doesn't make much sense to me, unless you think the northern Europeans grew civilized by breeding with the Romans. This would also suggest that Africans, for example, can only become civilized by breeding with whites and asians, which the individual examples already discussed tend to contradict.

I ask because the dictionary definition is vague and doesn't address causes and we seem to be using the "I know it when I see it" criteria so far.

Anonymous Boris May 22, 2012 10:58 AM  

That's because by your own admission, you don't keep up on the news and are therefore entirely unfamiliar with the pattern of behavior of unprovoked mob attacks by Africans on non-Africans.

I keep up with the news just fine. The pattern you perceive is not borne out in the larger statistics, which should be a clue as to the strength of your conclusions.

And, again, you conflate crime with racially motivated crime, which tends to be more of a white problem--at least in the US.

Anonymous Noah B. May 22, 2012 11:01 AM  

"I don't see how this is anything more than confirmation bias."

OK, look at it this way. Despite whites making up a far larger fraction of the US and the UK than blacks, when was the last incident of a large mob of whites attacking blacks?

Anonymous Anonymous because the truth could get me fired May 22, 2012 11:04 AM  

Boris wrote, The pattern you perceive is not borne out in the larger statistics, which should be a clue as to the strength of your conclusions.

Wow! Talk about confirmation bias...

Anonymous The other skeptic May 22, 2012 11:05 AM  


But if you think about it, the "legacy of slavery" argument is little more than a watered-down version of the more historically supported "thousand years to civilization" concept.


I agree with you. I was simply making a snide remark about what the usual suspects would claim.

My (current*) view is that behavior is predominantly genetic, and it takes a long time to drive the genes for savage behavior out of the gene pool. (The number of genes controlling these things is also relatively large, which accounts for their approximately normally distributed nature. In the limit, a binomial distribution is a normal distribution.)

* when I was younger I dabbled with blank-slate ideas, but I am cured now.

Blogger Vox May 22, 2012 11:09 AM  

I keep up with the news just fine. The pattern you perceive is not borne out in the larger statistics, which should be a clue as to the strength of your conclusions. And, again, you conflate crime with racially motivated crime, which tends to be more of a white problem--at least in the US.

You're wrong, it absolutely is born out in the statistics where blacks commit a disproportionate amount of the violent crime in the USA. And your error in citing "racially motivated crime", where Hispanics are counted as white perpetrators but Hispanic victims, has already been pointed out. Moreover, no one but you has referred to Officially Designated Racially Motivated "hate" crimes, but merely crimes committed by Africans against non-Africans.

The hate crime statistics are bogus and you know it.

Do you think it's primarily a difference of beliefs (religion, philosophy, etc) or genetics?

I think it is a combination of culture, tradition, and genetics. Higher testosterone levels and lower IQs don't come from culture and tradition. But short-term focus, laziness, and poor impulse control don't come from genetics. Civilization is a long-term process of weeding out the barbarian aspects of culture and tradition while breeding out the genetic proclivities that incline individuals towards a ready resort to violence.

Anonymous Josh May 22, 2012 11:12 AM  

And, again, you conflate crime with racially motivated crime, which tends to be more of a white problem--at least in the US.

humor us and give us ten examples of white mobs beating blacks

Anonymous Noah B. May 22, 2012 11:19 AM  

Boris, any examples of a gang of whites kidnapping, gangraping, mutilating, and killing a black couple?

Anonymous alexamenos May 22, 2012 11:20 AM  

I don't see how this is anything more than confirmation bias.

The question of confirmation bias has been upfront in my mind of late, so I look for contrary evidence, or more specifically for the evidence presented by people with very different biases. For instance, I could easily gather up half a dozen examples of roving youths kicking the crap out of Whitey for some perverted justice for St. Skittles.

I compare my putative list of black gang assaults on whitey to a list provided by Tim "Whitey Hatin'" Wise:

There’s a reason that privileged white frat boys at Cornell University threw bottles at black students last week while chanting taunts about Trayvon in the process. There’s a reason that a white Miami firefighter thought nothing of taking to his personal Facebook page and saying that Martin, and for that matter pretty much all “urban youth,” are products of their “failed, shitbag, ignorant, pathetic, welfare dependent excuses for parents.” There’s a reason a white police officer in New Orleans likewise thought it perfectly appropriate to all but gleefully bray about Martin’s death, intoning on Facebook, “Act like a thug, die like one!” There’s a reason a firearms dealer in Florida made a financial killing selling a shooting target made to resemble Trayvon Martin, whom the target-maker calls a “thug,” and whom the entrepreneur feels deserved to die.

Recapping some of the very evil things that Whitey has done to black people in response to the St. Skittles incident:

1. Threw some bottles while saying rude things;
2. Said some rude things on Facebook;
3. Also said some rude things on Facebook; and
4. Sold some pictures.

So...while I have a list of brutal, physical assaults carried out by gangs of blacks on people for no reason other than the color of their skin, 2 out of the top 4 on Tim Wise's list are Facebook comments.

Facebook comments.

This isn't to say that I can't find any examples of racist related gang violence carried out by white dudes....

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-five-charged-in-mob-attack-at-tinley-park-restaurant-20120521,0,6533031.story

anti-racist = anti-white

Anonymous DonReynolds May 22, 2012 11:25 AM  

Boris..."Of course, many of your rage-addled white supremacist readers thin[k] that any crime committed by someone black against someone white is automatically racial, but that is nonsense."

No Boris...it is the Holder Justice Department and the MSM that immediately and automatically insist that any black person injured (or says they were) by a non-black (even if they are not white) is a racially-motivated hate crime. The over-hyped case of Trayvon Martin is a good example. He was not killed because he was black. He was killed because he attacked a Hispanic almost a foot shorter than himself in the dark and did not know when to quit. Clearly, there was no option left to Zimmerman other than show his pistol to Martin, which led to both of them struggling over the weapon. Was it Zimmerman's plan to cheat Martin of his civil rights? No, as his head was repeatedly slammed into the sidewalk....that may not have been his first thought. Did Zimmerman pack the 9mm pistol thinking...."yeah, tonight I am gonna find a black punk and plug him." I do not believe there is anyone who thinks so. (Maybe you can be the first, Boris.)

Boris....."And then, according to the selfsame FBI statistics that these same low-rent white commenters masturbate to, whites commit more racially motivated hate crimes than blacks--by a wide margin. But facts are often ignored to keep one's indefensible ideologies safe and warm."

No Boris, you got it wrong again. ONLY whites can be accused and convicted of hate crimes because Eric Holder's Justice Department is not colorblind. In Eric Holder's (and Obama's) view, ONLY whites can be guilty of hate crimes. How many racially-motivated acts of violence have occurred lately, some of them "revenge for Trayvon"? Answer: quite a few, actually. How many have been charged with hate crimes? Virtually NONE....ZIP....NADA. So when blacks cannot be accused of hate crimes, it does no good for an idiot to point at such numbers. Everyone here already knows the score.

Blogger Positive Dennis May 22, 2012 11:25 AM  

I saw an interesting comment on the subject of free birth control in a Facebook thread. A liberal said that he favored free birth control as a benefit to soceity because it kept "those people" from having too many children and be a burden to soceity. I pointed out that "those people" we're Blacks and Hispanics. He of course, somewhat incoherently, dined that was what he meant.

Anonymous Vidad May 22, 2012 11:35 AM  

@ Nate

"There are worse super villian world dictators. I would pretty much build a massive palace.. take on a bunch of concubines and whiskey and set about to becoming the most powerful drunk hermit in the world."

Tiberius Nate. That's not the worst thing in the world.

Anonymous Vidad May 22, 2012 11:36 AM  

People are such pussies on this stuff. It's time to just spit it.

I long ago lost my fear of being called "raciss." Facts are facts.

Anonymous DonReynolds May 22, 2012 11:38 AM  

Noah B..."Boris, any examples of a gang of whites kidnapping, gangraping, mutilating, and killing a black couple?"

A journalist would say....there was that case of Tawana Brawley. No, that was not a black couple. How about the case called the Duke Lacrosse Gangrape? Didn't she (the stripper) have a boyfriend? I know he was not there at the time, but doesn't that make that about a black couple? I mean, they would have gangfucked her anyway, even if her brave boyfriend had been there.....but only because there were so many involved....and they were college atheletes. So I guess that would be a good example....probably the best example of a black couple that almost were tormented and raped and burned by angry white racists yoots.

But ask me a much easier question, Noah. Ask how many whites (male and female) have been victimized by overwhelming numbers of justifiably-violent hopeless and unarmed honest black citizens? (Laughing so hard, I can barely type. How can journalists do this with a straight face?)

Blogger Vox May 22, 2012 11:39 AM  

I agree with you. I was simply making a snide remark about what the usual suspects would claim.

Actually, one could have questioned my claim about the likelihood of the attackers being Afro-Caribbean since the number of Africans from Africa has increased dramatically in the last decade: "The black population has increased from 1.1 million to over 1.5 million from 2001 to 2009, a growth of 40%".

"In the 2001 UK Census, 565,876 people stated their ethnicity as Black Caribbean, 485,277 as Black African".

So, there are probably more Black Africans than Black Caribbeans there now.

Anonymous Suomynona May 22, 2012 11:39 AM  

Boris is a clown. He's so obviously racist against whites, it's likely he's black. Boris the black is trying very hard to pretend he has a brain but he isn't pulling it off. The fact that he projects black ignorance, laziness, and victim mentality onto whites is also a very good indication that Boris is just another black with a giant chip on his shoulder, who couldn't see the truth if it was rammed up his black ass with a 2X4.

If Boris is white, he is a libtard, a blithering idiot, useful only to the agenda that created him.

Either way, Boris has shown himself to be as capable of engaging in honest discourse as a scat-flinging monkey.

Blogger Stuff Black People Don't Like May 22, 2012 11:45 AM  

Vox -- it's simple:

You don't base social policy on individuals.

Anonymous civilServant May 22, 2012 11:45 AM  

the connection between a heterogeneous population and the degeneration and ultimate downfall of the state has been understood for more than 2,360 years.

Tribalism is the way of the world yes. But Christians are called to another way. "There is neither Jew nor Greek" and so on. Should Christians ignore this propositional relationship? Or should they give up on any notion of citizenship in any nation at all and leave politics taxation police powers et al to those who ignore God? Or should they attempt some kind of hybrid - practicing universality in Church while practicing tribalism outside of Church?

Blogger Nate May 22, 2012 11:46 AM  

"Tiberius Nate. That's not the worst thing in the world."

I simply don't have the energy to go Nero or Caligula... Drunkeness relaxes me... and BJs put me in a good mood... I would simply be far to content with ordering executions or imprisonment... much less mass murder.

I would like require the NFL to go year round... and its possible that the Titans may become suspiciously successful... and the SEC may win the national title every year... wait that already happens..

Blogger Nate May 22, 2012 11:47 AM  

" I would simply be far to content with ordering executions or imprisonment... much less mass murder."

And before you ask... where did you think the BATF, IRS, EPA, and Department of Education folks were going to go?

Anonymous civilServant May 22, 2012 11:51 AM  

in that the Germans are unwilling to make the same sacrifices for the Greeks, the Italians, and the Spanish that the West Germans were willing to make on behalf of the East Germans only twenty years ago.

Actually they probably are less willing now. Re-unification costs have exceeded anything the Germans imagined. Observing the German experience has caused South Korea to cool its efforts to reunite with the North.

Blogger Nate May 22, 2012 11:54 AM  

" Observing the German experience has caused South Korea to cool its efforts to reunite with the North."

What could South Korea possibly gain by joining North Korea? Its like a dog contemplating a mutually beneficial relationship with fleas.

Anonymous civilServant May 22, 2012 11:55 AM  

So, what's next? Tribalism?

Dynamic political geography, war, and ethnic cleansing.


Will the American Anglos drive out the American German/Irish?

Anonymous kh123 May 22, 2012 11:56 AM  

So where does football rioting in general fit into all of this. A cross section of random clips on Youtube tends to show the majority of whatever native nationality being the ones banding together and destroying/looting property, assaulting other clubs or passersby, etc. And that's when the cameramen aren't assaulted or chased away outright; clubs apparently look askance at anyone with that kind of equipment well before they plan their outings.

Among The Thugs is an interesting read on this front, btw.

Blogger Nate May 22, 2012 11:58 AM  

"Will the American Anglos drive out the American German/Irish?"

/facepalm

Chaos is what it will be. lots of killing... lots of violence... not so much driving out of anyone. Largely I expect it to boil down to an urban vs rural thing as people voluntarily segregate themselves in the interest of self preservation.

Blogger tz May 22, 2012 11:59 AM  

The question is whether the cause of barbarism is genetic or because there is the Devil out there actively trying to destroy the world.

Before the Civil Rights movement, Blacks had a slightly higher rate of brokenness (single parents, divorce, etc.) than whites, but most had the standard Christian family and doctrine. I'm not sure but I would suspect the black muslim movements for everything else still push for stable families.

It wasn't the Romans or Greeks that created civilization, it was Natural Law. If you think the Romans "civilized", watch "The Passion of the Christ". We cannot create the city of God here, but the citizens of the city of God exiled here to the city of Man will transform it and create civilization.

Northern Europe became civilized when they became Christianized.

The poor have had the secular government schools, which have educated - indoctrinated - the children and they are practicing as they have learned their lessons well. Survival of the fittest.

It is not so much as I don't see any evidence that "vibrancy" is bad, only that it is the barbaric form of paganism and is not evenly distributed, but is that cause or effect? World War II was fought against racially pure pagans that used their intelligence and will to make barbarism efficient. World War I was Christendom committing suicide.

The United States of America only had liberty and continual prosperity not because of wise leaders, or leaders of English descent, but because of the faith of those in leadership - political and cultural, even when there were contradictions and stains. We believed in God. Strongly. And when things cooled, we had the Great Awakenings to make sure the flame would not go out. That did not happen in the 1960s. Instead of renewing our faith in God, we had the pill and the sexual revolution. The pleasures of the flesh superseded the spirit. And, oh, big government will take care of the poor, sick, and elderly, we don't need your stinking churches anymore!

With the broken families in whites, it might just take a few more years, and there might be a stronger dying echo of Christendom which will have to fade, or they might simply not be visibly barbaric because they are comfortable. But I don't think it will last much longer. We already see this with the police. The murderers with badges are rarely black. They represent "civilization". Where are the (true) Christians?

Anonymous Noah B. May 22, 2012 12:00 PM  

Tawana Brawley... wow, I had forgotten about that one! And an interesting aside to the Duke Lacrosse incident that few seem to be aware of is that Crystal Mangum (the stripper) is now criminally charged with murder.

It's always interesting to see what innocent lambs' causes the media takes up.

Anonymous DonReynolds May 22, 2012 12:03 PM  

Roundtine..."Furthermore, most minorities live in proximity to each other, increasing the odds of intra-minority conflict rather than minority-white conflict. Or let's say the Hispanics decide they want the Southwest, I could see blacks being strongly opposed to that."

I wish that were true. Many blacks already know they have a much better deal with Anglos running the country than they will ever get from Hispanics. The worst of whites may talk about ethnic cleansing, but the Hispanics have already DONE it countless times. And the black whine about poverty and disadvantage are not going to go over well with Mexicans. Hispanics already outnumber blacks and their numbers are increasing much faster. Maybe this is justice or maybe it is "just us" for blacks to eventually find themselves having to deal with Hispanics in the future. I call it "Realpolitik", American style.



The big push right now among "community organizers/activists" is forging weak links between different ethnic groups to present a united front against "whitey".

Anonymous formerly no name May 22, 2012 12:08 PM  

Among The Thugs is an interesting read on this front, btw.

Read that book when it came out about 20 years ago. No fatalities, but near the end a cop is knocked unconscious and has one of his eyeballs sucked out.

Anonymous civilServant May 22, 2012 12:09 PM  

Or let's say the Hispanics decide they want the Southwest

You speak of them as if they are one tribe. They are not. La Raza is broken up into a number of sub-tribes equal to the number of barrios. Their intra-racism is spectacular. And this is typical of all non-nationalized tribes and even most nationalized races.

A return to racial groupings and ethnic cleansing will not stop at some broadly-defined nation. It will devolve all the way down to clan and will destroy everything outside of the clan. Those who eagerly anticipate a return to tribalism will get far more than they wish and lose far more than they are aware they have.

Anonymous DT May 22, 2012 12:12 PM  

And, again, you conflate crime with racially motivated crime, which tends to be more of a white problem--at least in the US.

LOL! Only whites b raciss!

Is it a bad sign that I find myself wondering if a Nate dictatorship would be better than the Federal government? I bet my taxes would be lower providing for his palace, concubines, and alcohol then they are providing for the countless wars (war on-or-for poverty, drugs, terrorism, racism, environmentalism, feminism, college education, housing, etc, etc) of the current regime.

Then again, I don't know just how much Nate can drink, or how many BJs he needs in a day. But I'm betting it's less than the Secret Service, and we're paying for that now.

Anonymous Daniel May 22, 2012 12:14 PM  

The only difference between Nate's dictatorship and the current government is that he'd be more direct about implementing the spanking machine.

Anonymous formerly no name May 22, 2012 12:20 PM  

... pattern of behavior of unprovoked mob attacks by Africans on non-Africans.

Racially liberal journalist is tracking this phenomenon:
The return of race riots to America and how the media ignore them.

Anonymous civilServant May 22, 2012 12:28 PM  

Observing the German experience has caused South Korea to cool its efforts to reunite with the North."

What could South Korea possibly gain by joining North Korea?


You ask this? Surely a Southerner would understand simple affinity for one's own kind?

Anonymous Daniel May 22, 2012 12:29 PM  

Nate
... and the SEC may win the national title every year... wait that already happens..

...Now they lose it every year too, because they've grown accustomed to playing with themselves.

Although your SEC would be a lot cleaner, tamer and gently constructive organization than the current Securities and Exchange Commission. If they appointed the Ol' Ball Coach, Saban, Miles, Petrino (oops), and Chizik as commissioners, you'd have an infinitely more trustworthy brain trust at the helm.

Anonymous Suomynona May 22, 2012 12:29 PM  

Vidad May 22, 2012 11:36 AM
People are such pussies on this stuff. It's time to just spit it.

I long ago lost my fear of being called "raciss." Facts are facts.


Having always had a disdain for humans in general, and their opinions in particular, I tend to push back even harder when someone attempts to push me around with absurd accusations. This tendency has served me well in today's putrid culture of political correctness with its thought police in every corner of our society, waiting to pounce on anyone who dares utter, or allude to, "wrong" or "unacceptable" thinking.

I know that I'm far from alone or abnormal in my unPC opinions. I know that I am a decent human being and no stinking liberal POS will ever convince me that I'm otherwise simply because I don't bow to the ideals of their leftist ideology. But most people do fear being accused of being hateful or some other not nice thing, so they shut up.

This strategy obviously works very well. The majority of those who comprise this polite society will be trampled under by a minority of those who don't give a shit about it, or them.

Anonymous civilServant May 22, 2012 12:33 PM  

Will the American Anglos drive out the American German/Irish?

Chaos is what it will be. lots of killing... lots of violence... not so much driving out of anyone.


In such an environment calories will be in short supply. Driving-out is much more efficient than thorough killing. The only reason thorough killing would be sought is if one seeks mere killing.

Will you motorcycle down the road with both guns blazing?

Largely I expect it to boil down to an urban vs rural thing as people voluntarily segregate themselves in the interest of self preservation.

Ah. So city folk will kill their food growers while farmers kill their markets?

Blogger Nate May 22, 2012 12:46 PM  

"Will you motorcycle down the road with both guns blazing?"

We've been over this. I will assimilate resources and consolidate power.

Blogger Nate May 22, 2012 12:48 PM  

"In such an environment calories will be in short supply. Driving-out is much more efficient than thorough killing. "

This is simplistic thinking. minimal killing begets voluntary segregation exaggerating the rural vs urban conflict that already exists. The urban population centers shrink as the population spreads out... thus the markets move... the cities turn to zombie wastes as the starvation sets in... and eventually... they are taken back.

Blogger Vox May 22, 2012 12:49 PM  

Tribalism is the way of the world yes. But Christians are called to another way. "There is neither Jew nor Greek" and so on. Should Christians ignore this propositional relationship? Or should they give up on any notion of citizenship in any nation at all and leave politics taxation police powers et al to those who ignore God? Or should they attempt some kind of hybrid - practicing universality in Church while practicing tribalism outside of Church?

That depends. If they want a theocracy, then they can go ahead and enforce Christian principles with the full force of the law. That's the John Calvin way. If not, then they had better accept the the tribal realities and govern appropriately.

Will the American Anglos drive out the American German/Irish?

No, there are far more troublesome tribes that require addressing first. The important divide in the USA is not the black/white one, but the Hispanic/white one, although the former may trigger the latter.

A return to racial groupings and ethnic cleansing will not stop at some broadly-defined nation. It will devolve all the way down to clan and will destroy everything outside of the clan. Those who eagerly anticipate a return to tribalism will get far more than they wish and lose far more than they are aware they have.

That's probably true, but keep in mind, the tragedy will not be the fault of those who opposed multiculturalism and immigration, but those who supported it. It's already a done deal, it's just a matter of time now. If we had wise leaders, they'd already be acting to support peaceful and non-violent segregation now in order to reduce the coming chaos, but we don't have them. The reason to "eagerly anticipate" it is that the sooner it happens, the less awful it will be.

For example, had the process begun in the UK in 2001, there would have been one-third fewer Africans to consider. If it doesn't begin until 2025, there will probably 3 million+ instead of 1.5 million.

Blogger Joshua_D May 22, 2012 12:53 PM  

Nate May 22, 2012 12:48 PM
"In such an environment calories will be in short supply. Driving-out is much more efficient than thorough killing. "

This is simplistic thinking.


Well ... I mean ... look who you are replying to.

Blogger Spacebunny May 22, 2012 12:55 PM  

Boris-
Of course, many of your rage-addled white supremacist readers thin[k] that any crime committed by someone black against someone white is automatically racial, but that is nonsense.


Of course, many of your rage addled anti-racist friends think that any crime committed by someone white against someone black/gay/female/etc is automatically a hate crime. You and everyone who subscribes to this nonsense are simply a blithering idiots.

Anonymous Boris May 22, 2012 1:04 PM  

The hate crime statistics are bogus and you know it.

I assume this is another point on which you have firm beliefs and flaccid evidence.

But keep in mind that your commenters (and I assume you) take the FBI at their word for crime statistics in general, but claim conspiracy when it comes to the same organization's findings on hate crimes. That is the sort of logical inconsistency that defines the white power types.

Blogger Spacebunny May 22, 2012 1:13 PM  

But keep in mind that your commenters (and I assume you) take the FBI at their word for crime statistics in general, but claim conspiracy when it comes to the same organization's findings on hate crimes. That is the sort of logical inconsistency that defines the white power types.

Yawn - almost every white on black/minority crime is labeled a hate crime and yet virtually no black/minority on white crimes are - isn't that racist? The idea that a crime is somehow worse because of a specific motivating factor is just completely and utterly ridiculous and anyone who believes that there is such a thing as a hate crime is an utter moron.

Blogger Vox May 22, 2012 1:22 PM  

But keep in mind that your commenters (and I assume you) take the FBI at their word for crime statistics in general, but claim conspiracy when it comes to the same organization's findings on hate crimes. That is the sort of logical inconsistency that defines the white power types.

Boris, you're a moron. We're simply recognizing what the FBI itself says about its statistics. You quite clearly haven't read the FBI reports. Do you not notice what is missing from the FBI Hate Crime report on offenders?

58.6 percent were white.
18.4 percent were black.
8.9 percent were groups made up of individuals of various races (multiple races, group).
1.1 percent were Asian/Pacific Islander.
1.0 percent were American Indian/Alaskan Native.
12.0 percent were of unknown race.


First, where are the Hispanics, Boris? Is it your conclusion that they simply don't commit hate crimes? Because, you see, they represent 67% of the victims of "ethnicity based" hate crime. Second, note that whites commit disproportionately less hate crime than blacks do. The amusing thing is that all you do is complain that my evidence is "flaccid", which, even if it was true, is still vastly superior to anything you have cited.

The reality is that whites don't commit much hate crime and the FBI statistics are indicative of the brewing black-brown race war of the sort seen in South Central LA where the blacks are being ethnically cleansed out of Compton.

Anonymous Boogeyman May 22, 2012 1:49 PM  

I'm not racist, I hate everyone pretty much equally... except Gypsies. Don't get me started about the Gypsies!

Anonymous Boris May 22, 2012 2:04 PM  

Ah, yes the race war that racists have been predicting for 70 years now. I'm sure it's coming. Any time now. Seriously. Wait for it. I think it's beginning in just a minute. For sure, this time.

Anonymous Gen. Kong May 22, 2012 2:06 PM  

Auster gives a wonderful summary of the PC-leftist mindset today in regard to the ongoing groid intifada against whitey ginned up by the Ministry of Truth with their Martyrdumb of St. Ashtrayvon fable:

What I just said is highly compressed and needs to be unpacked to be made clear. Here goes:
1. If blacks are violent toward whites, and whites notice this and speak about it, then they, the whites, are racist.

2. From which it follows that the more violent blacks are toward whites, the more racist whites are for noticing and speaking about this black anti-white violence.

3. But whites, particularly liberal whites, don’t want to be, or to appear to be, racist.

4. Therefore the more violent against whites blacks become, the less the liberal whites will notice the black violence and speak about it.

5. Which means that the more violent against whites blacks become, the less the liberal whites will be on guard against it, and the more they will deliver themselves into the maw of death or grave injury at the hands of savage blacks.


Morlocks and eloi indeed. Leftism is truly a religion of death.

Anonymous Vidad May 22, 2012 2:10 PM  

@ Suomynona

My misanthropic tendencies are moderated by my Christianity, but I know how you feel.

Try taking a potshot at Lincoln's reputation. Or telling people that women's suffrage was a bad idea. Or that the Articles of Confederation were better than the Constitution. Or that we never had it as good after we traded King George for President George. Or that Apartheid held South Africa together better than the touchy-feely Mandela lovers would admit, or that the relative IQ of varied populations is a good predictor of their relative success in civilization, government, etc...

Anyhow, it's not really a hatred of people that makes people turn on you... it's a digging for facts and relying on observation rather than a superimposed ideology.

In knowledge there is much sorrow.

Anonymous Chad May 22, 2012 2:10 PM  

I wouldn't put this on the minority population, but rather how society deals with minorities such as blacks. Black culture has diverged so far from the productivity and intelligence of whites largely because the government has subsidized them to do so. Blacks didn't really have it so bad until the government started 'helping'. Now the black family is in shambles and they've been fed the blame whitey mentality so they don't attribute their situation to anything they've done.

Contrast that with the Asian minorities and the difference is astounding. The Asian minority generally exceeds the white majority while the black and hispanic minorities lag far behind. The difference is that the Asians aren't pandered to in the same way as blacks and hispanics. So would Asians be considered a detriment to American culture?

Anyone else ever read Thomas Sowell's analysis of race relations?

Blogger Joshua_D May 22, 2012 2:17 PM  

Boris May 22, 2012 2:04 PM
Ah, yes the race war that racists have been predicting for 70 years now. I'm sure it's coming. Any time now. Seriously. Wait for it. I think it's beginning in just a minute. For sure, this time.


I know right! It's not as if we have tremendous amounts of historical records highlighting the various race wars throughout the history of man!

Anonymous VD May 22, 2012 2:24 PM  

The Asian minority generally exceeds the white majority while the black and hispanic minorities lag far behind. The difference is that the Asians aren't pandered to in the same way as blacks and hispanics. So would Asians be considered a detriment to American culture?

Of course. Don't make the mistake of substituting "productive and law-abiding" with "culture". Immigrants in sufficient numbers always change what the culture is, regardless of whether one views the change as an improvement or not. The primary difference is that Asians tend to boost GDP while other minorities tend to decrease it. But all act to the detriment of the culture that preceded their arrival.

Blogger R. Bradley Andrews May 22, 2012 2:26 PM  

Isn't a big part of the problem the idea that no firm moral "rules" exist?

Couldn't we have a more diverse society (skin color) if we had a unifying belief I what is right and wrong?

We tolerate thuggish behavior in the name of not judging others.

Anonymous Noah B. May 22, 2012 2:26 PM  

"Ah, yes the race war that racists have been predicting for 70 years now. I'm sure it's coming. Any time now. Seriously. Wait for it. I think it's beginning in just a minute. For sure, this time."

Try telling that to one of the whites who has fled from Rhodesia or South Africa. I have a feeling that would be an educational experience for you.

Anonymous Gen. Kong May 22, 2012 2:57 PM  

Noah B. Try telling that to one of the whites who has fled from Rhodesia or South Africa. I have a feeling that would be an educational experience for you.

Those who can see don't even need to go that far. For the past five decades or so, blacks have been engaged in an initfada or 'dirty-war' of murder and rape against whites in the USSA with the full connivance of the Ministry of Truth and the police/judicial state apparat. One of the whines of Marxists is about the large number of blacks lynched by mobs in the post Civil War and Jim Crow eras (about 4000 from 1865-1940). There have been over 200,000 whites killed by blacks since 1960, which is never mentioned by the Ministry of Truth or the assorted professional liars in academia. Hell, there have already been something like 15-20 whites killed by Sons of Obama in response to the Martyrdumb of St. Ashtrayvon. It's a one-sided war. The big lie rolls on.

Anonymous MendoScot May 22, 2012 3:11 PM  

Boris May 22, 2012 2:04 PM
Ah, yes the race war that racists have been predicting for 70 years now. I'm sure it's coming. Any time now. Seriously. Wait for it. I think it's beginning in just a minute. For sure, this time.


70 years, eh? Would that be the second half of the 20th century?

Over the second half of the 20th century, conflicts within national boundaries became increasingly dominant. One-third of all countries experienced civil conflict. Many (if not most) such conflicts involved violence along ethnic lines

Anonymous Clay May 22, 2012 3:11 PM  

Ole Boris disappeared faster than a plasma TV in a black flash mob.

Anonymous MendoScot May 22, 2012 3:17 PM  

Curses, wrong link.

Anonymous Chad May 22, 2012 3:27 PM  

I'm just saying that government programs will affect how culture shapes. In this case underperforming and claiming victim status has been a lucrative business for those who perpetuate it and for those politicians who maintain power because of it. Cultures adapt to feedback. Hypothetically black culture would be vastly different if they weren't the beneficiaries of policies that lower standards in the name of helping them. Tolerating substandard performance and thuggish behaviour has done more damage to black culture than overt white racism ever did.

Anonymous Orion May 22, 2012 3:54 PM  

"> If a few can do it right than the masses can do it right."


A point not mentioned is that the majority of ANY group aren't the drivers of civilization. The bulk of any group are simply barbarians. The difference between Western culture and the vibrant ones is that the leadership/active minority has supported the effort toward civilization. As the leadership continues to under cut the active minority that strive for structure and productivity, you'll see more of the fraying of the social fabric as society breaks down. I can already hear the cries of "tribalism" and racist, but when things fall apart the survivor types look for like minded to gather together for support. They can go the route of enclaves of structure/civilization or barbarian. In vibrant cultures, there just hasn't been enough exposure to civilization to create the interest amongst the leaders in preserving it. Homo sap can be pretty thick and take a long time to learn how to get along in a non-zero sum system.

Anonymous Geoff-UK May 22, 2012 4:02 PM  

Where to escape to? U.K. is lost. Canada losing. Australia has no gun rights nor much arable land so they can't feed themselves--and China could roll over their small population during lunch. New Zealand during dessert. We're fooked. How far north do you have to go to get away from the coming unpleasantness? Int'l freaking Falls?

Anonymous The One May 22, 2012 4:06 PM  

Vox already stated the truth. Increased testorene leads to increased aggression and the muscles to back it up. Marriage also decreases testorene lvls and blacks have the lowest marriage rates around.

Anonymous Gen. Kong May 22, 2012 4:13 PM  

One of Auster's readers has provided a nice historical overview of LA's Dodger Stadium and the attendant shiny utopia created by adding lots of vibrancy.

Blogger Huggums May 22, 2012 4:42 PM  

"That's because by your own admission, you don't keep up on the news and are therefore entirely unfamiliar with the pattern of behavior of unprovoked mob attacks by Africans on non-Africans. Furthermore - and I will do a post on this soon - the reason overall crime is down is because 40 percent of Africans between the ages of 20-29 have been incarcerated and over 30 percent are under supervision of the criminal justice system, mostly courtesy of the drug laws.

In other words, the U.S. system addresses the real problem, but does so indirectly, inefficiently, and unjustly, locking up hundreds of thousands of young Africans who have not and will never harm anyone simply to catch the tens of thousands who are incapable of controlling their violent savagery." - Vox

This part is a little confusing. I'd read that for black males in that age cohort, it's something like 1 in 10 or 1 in 9 that are incarcerated. Also, do you mean that over 30% of blacks in that age group or 30% of that 40%? Mayhap I confuse myself. Yea, verily.

Anonymous III May 22, 2012 5:30 PM  

Dreams of a Skinny Ass Nigger

Anonymous FP May 22, 2012 5:36 PM  

Viva the post-racial president! When even the liberal whiteopia NW states recognize the reality of crime, you know the vibrancy shakedown game is in serious trouble. The folks fleeing corrupt, broke and crime ridden Portland Oregon don't want a new light rail line to the suburbs... but the feds/state/local leaders say its a done deal suckers. Pay up and watch the crime come to you via train.

http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=133770465749746700

Anonymous Stilicho May 22, 2012 5:53 PM  

Tribalism is the way of the world yes. But Christians are called to another way. "There is neither Jew nor Greek" and so on. Should Christians ignore this propositional relationship? Or should they give up on any notion of citizenship in any nation at all and leave politics taxation police powers et al to those who ignore God? Or should they attempt some kind of hybrid - practicing universality in Church while practicing tribalism outside of Church?

About what I would expect from you. God does not require his worshipers to invite barbarians into their homes and thank them when they drop a deuce on the floor before setting fire to the curtains.

You still bore me.

Anonymous JCclimber May 22, 2012 6:44 PM  

Vox, it goes back further than a relative newcomer like Plato.
God's commands to the descendants of Jacob about keeping the "strangers living among you" and alliances with the people living in the palestine region were absolutely correct.

They weren't allowed to inherit land, participate as priests, and so on. This is from a God that loves all His children, but wanted Israel to be His ambassadors to the world to bring the world to Him. Not by assimilating and conquering, but by their example.

If only they'd listened.....

Anonymous FP May 22, 2012 6:51 PM  

For you Boris, from Denver with love.

Drive Thru Grape Soda attack

Anonymous mountainsniper31 May 22, 2012 6:59 PM  

"40 percent of Africans between the ages of 20-29 have been incarcerated..."

The operative word is "have," not "are." 40% at one point HAVE served some form of incarceration, from one day to life. I believe the percentage of Africans having been put through the criminal justice system with any outcome is closer to 75%.

A good friend of mine had Army recruiter duty out of the El Segundo station between 2005 and 2007, where he was assigned the South L.A. territory. His challenge was that every prospective enlistee (black) had a criminal record which was disqualifying or required a waiver. These "youths" (typically 17-21 years old) were the good ones of the community, without felonies. An extremely large percentage of Africans are career criminals with no prospect of becoming productive members of society, and simply exist as a net drain on society's efforts to remain civilized.

Anonymous zen0 May 22, 2012 8:14 PM  

Race war documented for Boris

Its already happening, Boris, its just that only one side seems to realize they are engaged.

Blogger Chelm Wiseman May 22, 2012 8:26 PM  

This isn't to say any one race or population group is necessarily any more or less capable of civilization than another; remember that it took more than 1,200 years for the white Northern Europeans to become civilized despite their close contact with Roman civilization.

This is new... I agree with the first part of this sentence. However, I disagree that Rome was the civilizing influence on Northern Europe. What evidence do you have of this?

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler May 22, 2012 8:48 PM  

For being a Mensa member, Vox, you are so thoroughly wrong.

First, Plato's Republic is not idealistic whatsoever. It was based on an actual historical entity, the Spartan Republic.

I note that it is tremendously ironic that so many of the stated objectives of modern left-liberals have their roots in Plato's political philosophy even though those objectives are structurally undermined by the left's simultaneous rejection of Plato's core postulates as well as the structural basis of his ideal state.

Sparta is NOT an "ideal" state but a state "according to nature". And Second, how is the left taking from Plato when Plato's whole talk is about "Righteousness" which you don't even know the meaning of. Righteousness is about having a caste system and a hierarchy. How does the Left take anything from Plato? Sparta ran a successful city state on exactly those principles that Plato enumerated but Plato did NOT cook up those ideas, he got them from the Doric Greeks.

To be "Anti-Plato", just because you yourself, Vox are wrapped up in the error of the so-called Enlightenment is laughable. Plato and Socrates are the Foundation of Western Culture. Your rejection of Plato means you are outside Western Culture and civilization. That's right your Libertarianism is an Enlightenment concoction cooked up by Atheists and Jews. Vox you are Anti-Western Culture.

Anonymous Idle Spectator Channeling Wheeler Through Séance May 22, 2012 9:05 PM  

To be "Anti-Wheat", just because you yourself, Vox are wrapped up in the error of the so-called new types of bread is laughable. White and wheat bread are the Foundation of Sandwich Culture.
Your rejection of wheat bread means that you are outside of Sandwich Orthodoxy and kitchen nuance. That's right your Free Fooderness is a recent concoction cooked up by Vegetarians and Vegans. Vox you are Anti-Sandwich Culture.

Anonymous Vidad May 22, 2012 9:08 PM  

@JCclimber

Good point.

I was considering the same during a particularly good cigar earlier.

Blogger Chelm Wiseman May 22, 2012 9:17 PM  

Plato and Socrates are the Foundation of Western Culture.

Plato and Socrates were pederasts.

Anonymous p-dawg May 22, 2012 9:17 PM  

In such an environment calories will be in short supply. Driving-out is much more efficient than thorough killing. The only reason thorough killing would be sought is if one seeks mere killing.

This is not true. If you want to prevent raiding, guerilla attacks on your borders, or a possible re-invasion, thorough killing is preferable. Additionally, with a reputation for thorough killing, your enclave is more likely to be left alone by independent raiding parties. Finally, thorough killing prevents the taking of prisoners and the treating of enemy wounded, which are huge drains upon your resources.

Anonymous Anonymous May 22, 2012 9:58 PM  

Vox are you familiar with the late Australian philosopher David Stove? He largely forgotten despite being intellectually superior to the well known 20th century philosophers. Before relying on Popper you should read Stove's "Popper and After: Four Modern Irrationalists" which was reprinted later as "Anything Goes" and later "Scientific Irrationalism: Origins of a Postmodern Cult"

Stove also wrote about Hume's inductive skepticism, Plato and his idealism, women's intellectual capacities, and shoddy evolutionary explanations.

BTW, your style reminds me of Stove.

Anonymous III May 22, 2012 10:13 PM  

Right Wheeler! Sparta was just a shadow of the coming Popeism... which explains the buggery... which is according to nature!

Anonymous Anonymous May 22, 2012 11:18 PM  

Boris is suffering from dick envy

Anonymous CMC May 22, 2012 11:26 PM  

The important divide in the USA is not the black/white one, but the Hispanic/white one....

Would you expand on this? Do you mean that even though either of them could tree a few cities, only the hispanics could actually slice-off (and hold?) parts of the country?

Anonymous 11B May 22, 2012 11:38 PM  

Vox wrote, "where Hispanics are counted as white perpetrators but Hispanic victims..."

Boris, here are some examples of where Hispanics are counted as "white" when they are perpetrators.

Just look at each of these links to the Wisconsin Department of Corrections Sex Offender Registry. Look at their photos and ask yourself if they appear white. Then look at what is listed in the database under race.

MARCELINO ROSARIO-RIVERA

JUAN VILLEGAS

GREGARIO M MORALES

JUAN R NIETO

Now this is just Wisconsin's sex offender list. But if other states and the FBI do the same, it completely blows white crime rates out of whack.

Blogger Nate May 23, 2012 12:17 AM  

"First, Plato's Republic is not idealistic whatsoever. It was based on an actual historical entity, the Spartan Republic. "

And there he is... the world's most literate mongoloid spouts his idiocy.

Anonymous The other skeptic May 23, 2012 1:09 AM  


Finally, thorough killing prevents the taking of prisoners and the treating of enemy wounded, which are huge drains upon your resources.


That must be why DHS ordered 450M .40 cal HP rounds.

Anonymous kh123 May 23, 2012 1:46 AM  

"...and Ethiopia is still hell compared to the Soviet Union under Krushchev."

And before Nikita? Maybe here you have a case of organized terror being more efficient in Europe and Eurasia than in Africa, even when a red banner's the common thread.

Off hand, Ethiopians tend to be the most mild mannered of Africans I've come across.

Anonymous Anonymous May 23, 2012 5:47 AM  

Ah, yes the race war that racists have been predicting for 70 years now. I'm sure it's coming. Any time now. Seriously. Wait for it. I think it's beginning in just a minute. For sure, this time.

Utter moron. What do you think gang violence is?

Anonymous Boris May 23, 2012 6:17 AM  

Its already happening, Boris, its just that only one side seems to realize they are engaged.

The You Tube video did not present any evidence of a race war. Perhaps "race war" now means "several isolated incidents that I assume had something to do with race because I hate black people." I particularly enjoyed the irony of using a song about mental illness in that video.

You know who probably needs to be warned about the impending "race war"? Your boss. Unless you are scared to tell her, which, of course, you are.

Blogger Nate May 23, 2012 7:49 AM  

Oh look... Boris is still jabbering like an idiot.

Well hell... at least for once he managed to get through a whole two sentences without typing the words, "confirmation bias".

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler May 23, 2012 12:19 PM  

Do you Vox know the essence of Plato's Republic?

What is the essence of the Book?

It is a discussion of "dikaios". Do you even know what that means?

If Plato's Republic is "And so by reason of the smallest part or class, and of the knolwedge which resides in this presiding and ruling part of itself, the whole State, being thus constituted according to nature, will be wise; and this, which has the only knowledge orthy to be called wisdom, has been ordained by nature to be of all classes the least." (Republic, B. Jowett translation, 429)

"According to Nature" how can it be "idealistic"? Is "according to Nature" idealism? come on Vox.

Do you even know the Laws of Nature? The Laws of Nature that the Greeks discovered?

Blogger Spacebunny May 23, 2012 12:26 PM  

Oh look... Boris is still jabbering like an idiot.

And Wheeler, but from a different end of the spectrum.

Blogger Nate May 23, 2012 5:13 PM  

Oh Wheeler is at the same end... Just a different flavor of jabbering idiot.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler May 23, 2012 9:27 PM  

I ask a serious question and the flippant attitude is just amazing. Ignorant is what Ignorant does.

I pointed out that Vox doesn't know what he is talking about. He has no clue on the Natural Law, he does not know a lot about Classical Greece. Yet, he condemns Plato and yet he knows nothing of the thesis of Plato's major work and how that all fits in.

What is "Dikaios" in Plato's Republic? Can he answer that? The whole book is on that premise. Yet, certainly Nate you have NO clue either. What is Righteousness? And what part is it "According to nature"? Is "According to Nature" idealism?

So we can't answer these questions so we resort to ad-hominems. Great.

Anonymous LuxLibertas May 24, 2012 3:59 PM  

The truly diakaios person will be crucified.

Blogger BunBun4life April 09, 2013 12:52 PM  

Brits are so fucking scared of being accused of being racist (well there are LAWS, you can go to fucking jail, and the laws LITERALLY use the words: construed as racist by complainant - mean if they think its racist, IT IS - puts way to much power in their hands) that they lie to the public, to each other, to themselves and the world. 'They just need education, it's a response to OUR racism, blah blah, and I hear the same shit that was spoonfed to Americans since 1960, LIES they didn't work, they won't work EVER. Blacks and whites are DIFFERENT. They are savage low to no impulse control animals.
in the meantime, the cops were so scared of accusations of racism they failed to investigation 'child sex grooming gangs' of Pakis, because they were 'Asian' and thats what they call Pakis there.

In Sweden its so bad when a horrible crime is commited the description of the wanted animals will say male, 5.5", 18-25, last seen wearing track suit pants and a gray hoodie. THATS IT. No race, no fucking ANYTHING. They don't even keep records of crimes perpetrated by race, ethnic background, religion, nothing - because that would be RACIST.

Give me a fucking BREAK! I am so sick of reading about 86 year old women raped and killed, children shot in the face, heads crushed with rocks, and kids being tortured to death because 'they're witches', women being honor killed, savage heinous gang rape - a daily occurrence these days - in the US its blacks and hispanics, in Europe its blacks, ANY muslims, particularly Somalians and Afghani pack animals - our HIGHEST IMMIGRATED GROUP the majority of whom are unmarried males ages 15 to 30. We now have 12 year olds trying to rape women. You can't even send a 12 year old to prison in Sweden. 12-15 year olds are beating people to death, raping, etc., and that never was happening before.

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