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Tuesday, July 17, 2012

The great intergenerational con

America should have known the Boomers were evil from the moment they made "never trust anyone over the age of 30" mantra. It's always the liar who assumes everyone else is lying:
Today’s youth, both here and abroad, have been screwed by their parents’ fiscal profligacy and economic mismanagement. Neil Howe, a leading generational theorist, cites the “greed, shortsightedness, and blind partisanship” of the boomers, of whom he is one, for having “brought the global economy to its knees.”...

The screwed generation also enters adulthood loaded down by a mountain of boomer- and senior-incurred debt—debt that spirals ever more out of control. The public debt constitutes a toxic legacy handed over to offspring who will have to pay it off in at least three ways: through higher taxes, less infrastructure and social spending, and, fatefully, the prospect of painfully slow growth for the foreseeable future.

In the United States, the boomers’ bill has risen to about $50,000 a person. In Japan, the red ink for the next generation comes in at more than $95,000 a person. One nasty solution to pay for this growing debt is to tax workers and consumers. Both Germany and Japan, which appears about to double its VAT rate, have been exploring new taxes to pay for the pensions of the boomers.

The huge public-employee pensions now driving many states and cities—most recently Stockton, Calif.—toward the netherworld of bankruptcy represent an extreme case of intergenerational transfer from young to old. It’s a thoroughly rigged boomer game, providing guaranteed generous benefits to older public workers while handing the financial upper echelon a “Wall Street boondoggle” (to quote analyst Walter Russell Mead).
It's not just in the USA either. The "youth movement" was international, and so, unsurprisingly, is the cancer of Boomer-created debt. It's fine to blame today's young for taking on credit card and school loan debt, but let's not forget that it is the Boomers who created the massive public debt as well as making it impossible for those who followed them to do what they did, and shed their school loan debt in bankruptcy.

Fortunately, the time is rapidly approaching when the younger generations can band together and permit the Boomers to experience the consequences they deserve by shutting down their overly generous pensions and refusing to pay for their medical care. They'll keep voting for anyone who promises to serve their self-centered interests, but that will become increasingly irrelevant as more states and localities simply don't have the wherewithal to live up to their contractual obligations.

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Blogger Nate July 17, 2012 11:16 AM  

The Boomers raised a bunch of kids that are to lazy and apathetic to care for them... now they are old and useless... the generation they wrecked... is going to ignore them.

Justice.

Blogger Earl July 17, 2012 11:21 AM  

And you thought it was Bernanke. Darth Bernanke is ur buthexing father! Lololzlzlzlzlzlzlz

Anonymous FUBAR Nation (Ben) July 17, 2012 11:27 AM  

Where I live, the local school district always wants higher taxes for the children. What they really mean is that they want higher taxes to fund their insane pensions. I know people getting $80,000/year pensions plus gold plated health benefits, and they're going to be getting SS and medicare in a few years. Their biggest worries in life is to decide where to go on vacation next.
Meanwhile, I know people who have advanced degrees that can only get temporary jobs.

How the hell is my generation going to pay for all of this? Do the payroll taxes have to go to 40-50 percent to pay for SS and medicare?

Anonymous Justin July 17, 2012 11:30 AM  

Lets not forget the upcoming repudiation of all that absurd debt. No generation has the right to sell their children into slavery.

Anonymous Jimmy July 17, 2012 11:32 AM  

The younger generation is just as willing to vote away their futures. Look at what the student loan rate extension gotten us.... more taxes.

The only way to stop the bleeding is bankruptcy. Tear up existing contracts. Start over.

Anyways, the younger generation is unable to get jobs. They won't be able to pay for any new benefits for a long time.

Anonymous E. PERLINE July 17, 2012 11:35 AM  

I have a daughter who, with her husband, don't have a sense of budgeting for personal income.

But I never thought of the idea that boomers might lack a sense of budgeting for governmental income. That raises another specter.

Anonymous Allrighty then July 17, 2012 11:43 AM  

Time to smother the Boomers with a pillow even as their palsied claws are still feebly reaching for our wallets!

Anonymous JartStar July 17, 2012 11:46 AM  

Or the older generation can pick a fight, conscript the youth, and kill them off instead...

Blogger Joshua_D July 17, 2012 11:48 AM  

FUBAR Nation (Ben) July 17, 2012 11:27 AM
How the hell is my generation going to pay for all of this? Do the payroll taxes have to go to 40-50 percent to pay for SS and medicare?


We're not. What can't be done, won't be done. The Reset is coming, and it's going to suck for the old, unhealthy, no savings Boomers.

Of course, it may suck for us younger folks as well, but at least some of us have our health, are starting to prepare, are able to work, and see what's coming.

Blogger Earl July 17, 2012 11:49 AM  

I just got an email about seniors asking for discounts and one of them making a long list of places that give senior discounts. Ha!

Blogger Joshua_D July 17, 2012 11:49 AM  

JartStar July 17, 2012 11:46 AM
Or the older generation can pick a fight, conscript the youth, and kill them off instead...


Then who will they steal their wealth from, other old folks?

Blogger Giraffe July 17, 2012 11:50 AM  

That's great, except the day after bankruptcy the losers on welfare and the parasitic public employees (both current and retired) will be back at our door with their hands out.

True. And they vote.

But as VD said. We can't pay it even if we wanted to. 100+ trillion in unfunded liabilities means somebody is not getting paid.

Anonymous Stilicho July 17, 2012 11:54 AM  

Why do you think so many Boomers (and their parents) are so upset about Obamacare? It isn't the socialized medicine aspect of it, the Boomers are (or are about to be)the primary beneficiaries of socialized medicine via Medicare. They're just worried about everyone else jumping on what they see as their gravy train. If everyone is on the cart, who's going to pull it?

Anonymous E. PERLINE July 17, 2012 11:56 AM  

I had a friend who joked that a salaried worker was better to have than a slave because an employer didn't have to take care of the salaried worker when his working skills diminished and could just let him go. But slaves were kept for life.

The salaried worker was supposed to save for his own retirement, but it didn't take long for insiders to get wise. Now in the final year, a salaried worker puts in lots of overtime so that his lifelong pension is maximized.

Anonymous Morry July 17, 2012 11:56 AM  

The world will be a better place when the last boomer is erased from existence. It can't happen too soon. If the younger generations had any sense, they would leave them in the streets to die off, or better yet, feed them to the wolves. This is the real tragedy of the end of the Vietnam war. We could have cut the boomer generation in half if we had kept it going.

Blogger Nate July 17, 2012 11:56 AM  

My parents were conservative hardworkers that gave me a lot... and never once indulged in the idiocy of their peers. When the time comes I'll be honoured to take care of them.

But the rest of these worthless SOBs????

Piss on 'em.

Anonymous Rantor July 17, 2012 11:57 AM  

Excepting that a majority of the young have bought into big government socialism. They voted for Mr Hopey Changey who is still in the extend and pretend mode (not that the other party isn't)

The only way out is a vigorous Libertarian/Conservative movement that turns against welfare, public employee unions, school bond measures, etc... Sorry Vox, not happening this decade.

Blogger Tank July 17, 2012 12:12 PM  

While it's easy to attack a generation, keep in mind that 30-40% of us have been pushing back against this tide for decades. Unfortunately, without success.

In addition, have subsequent generations recognized the problems and voted to go in a different direction? No, if anything, the later generations voted to go further in the wrong direction.

Blogger Joshua_D July 17, 2012 12:14 PM  

Tank July 17, 2012 12:12 PM
While it's easy to attack a generation, keep in mind that 30-40% of us have been pushing back against this tide for decades. Unfortunately, without success.


Unfortunately for you, Tank, it's not going to matter. I hope you have saved and developed good relationships with your children.

Anonymous Moranderin July 17, 2012 12:14 PM  

Speaking as a Boomer, I hope the younger generations succeed in shutting down government-paid entitlements, including those I'm supposedly going to collect, getting rid of all of those overly large pensions, which I don't have, and repealing Obamacare, because I'd rather control my own healthcare.

There have always been members of each generation who recognized that government spending was out of control, that entitlements were unsupportable, and that public pensions were ridiculous. Many (though by no means all) of my friends among the Boomers recognized the situation before many of you were born, but we were outnumbered by those who cast votes based on feelings rather than economics or logic. The biggest problem I see is that too many of you seem to think the younger generations are better at recognizing the situation. I don't see that. You are group in your generation who recognize what's going on. The rest of your generation were out there campaigning and voting for the guy who was obviously going to spend lots more (Obama received two thirds of the under-30 vote) and camping out with the "Occupy" movement to complain that government should "do something" about all those rich folks. I've had lots of discussions with members of the younger generation about spending and taxes. Most of them seem incapable of understanding that "taxing the rich" won't fix all the debt problems.

I do think the spending issue will finally come to a head soon, but only because the country will literally go bankrupt. It won't be because of any great change that sweeps over the younger generation, even though I wish whole-heartedly that was the case.

Blogger Joshua_D July 17, 2012 12:22 PM  

Yes, Moranderin, the Younger Generations are just as bad as you Boomers. Please, tell me how many members of the Younger Generations serve on Municipal Boards, County Commissions, local School Boards, or State & Federal Legislatures? How many of us serve as department heads, directors, CEOs, CFOs, small business owners or college professors? How many of us are collecting Social Security, or Medicare Benefits, or getting Senior Discounts everywhere?

Yes, we're just as bad; but we're not in charge ...

...

Yet.

Anonymous Rantor July 17, 2012 12:22 PM  

@ Moreanderin

We all think the spending situation will come to a head soon, but you only have to look at Japan to realize that extend a pretend can go on for 20 years...

Iceland is the only positive model of the future and no other country is falling in line...

Anonymous JartStar July 17, 2012 12:24 PM  

Then who will they steal their wealth from, other old folks?

From the people they defeat. And even if you lose all bets are off during a major war, and you might be dead at the end of it anyways. Better than a slow lingering death on Alpo.

Blogger Joshua_D July 17, 2012 12:27 PM  

JartStar July 17, 2012 12:24 PM
Better than a slow lingering death on Alpo.


You do have a point there.

Anonymous Ron B. July 17, 2012 12:27 PM  

As someone on the cusp of the gen x/millenial divide, I always support whatever policies I think are most likely to make this entire system collapse as quickly as possible. Massive entitlements, endless wars we can't afford, militarization of police, corrupt politicians and so on. I voted twice for Bush and once for Obama, but I'm having a hard time deciding between Obama and Romney. I think I have a pretty good track record though. The best thing that could happen to this country at this point is its complete disintegration.

Blogger Peter Garstig July 17, 2012 12:33 PM  

The question will be: what happens, if this system will go crashing.

Will it be: we did the right thing in the wrong way.

Or will it be: we did the wrong thing.

From what I understand, it will be the first answer and the cycle will start again. I see absolutely no reason to think that the masses are even capable of understanding how rigged and impossible the system currently is. At least, that's what I gather in discussions with all generations.

Anonymous JartStar July 17, 2012 12:44 PM  

What I find fascinating is to see the change in Gen Y in just a few short years. Gen X was always cynical, but Gen Y was optimistic in 2007, had their parent's wealth backing them up, a wall of college degrees, and the peak of a bubble. Now they are cynical and hipsters who dress and ink themselves to stay unemployed.

I know of no Gen-Xer that was employed regularly before the crash that has been chronically unemployed now. Companies want Xers as we have 10+ years experience in our chosen fields and a high work ethic. The Boomers wont even hire their own entitled, lazy kids.

Anonymous Fatso McGraw July 17, 2012 12:49 PM  

Neil Howe co-wrote a book called "Generations" that put forth a cycle of generational types that have occured throughout American history. I can't remember the names of the categories, but the idea is that the "greatest generation" are in their prime when the country experiences some profound challenge (WWII, for example). Hopefully they get through it, but then they indulge their offspring, who grow up actually believing they're as noble and wonderful as their parents say. Thus, the Boomers. I love boomer-bashing. They were self-absorbed smelly hippies, and now the only thing that's changed is they have wrinkles (and part of the smell is from incontinence). I say it's time for a "Bag-A-Boomer" program, an open hunting season on boomers to thin their ranks. I just hate 'em!

Anonymous Cat McClusky July 17, 2012 12:51 PM  

Oh but please recognize the profound cultural impact that the boomers bestowed on civilization.

The rich cultural legacy of Woodstock, The Beetles, flower power, sexual freedom, mind expansion; the list goes on and on.

At the grocery store, the other day I spotted a aged boomer dude rooting through the whole foods section. He had his Bob Marley t-shirt stretched over his keg sized gut. His pate was shiny on top and with about three strands of dried up grey hair clasped together in back. Hemp shorts and sandals completed the iconic ensemble.

I gazed upon him with admiration. Damn it, I'm proud to be a Boomer!

Anonymous Erdo July 17, 2012 12:54 PM  

The other day I was approached on the street by some baby boomer begging for change. He had a sob story about how he lost his job and his home, and had all these medical problems, and people should help him and his family. This is a typical boomer: lazy, whiny, narcissistic piece of trash looking for a handout. I, of course, didn't give him a penny, told him he got what he deserved, smiled and kept on walking.

Blogger Joshua_D July 17, 2012 12:56 PM  

Cat McClusky July 17, 2012 12:51 PM

I gazed upon him with admiration. Damn it, I'm proud to be a Boomer!


If you're going to go Boomer, you might as well go full Boomer.

...

Note to self: Invest in Marley tees and hemp shorts to use as Boomer bait.

Anonymous Toby Temple July 17, 2012 12:58 PM  

The "youth movement" was international

And continue to flourish. Sadly, most of the youth today are socialists...

Anonymous Stilicho July 17, 2012 1:00 PM  

The Alpo generation...that sounds like a fitting fate for the boomers.

Anonymous Stilicho July 17, 2012 1:06 PM  

To the tune of Lee Greenwood's Proud to be an American:

He's proud to be a Boomer, with his trousers stained with pee.
And he won't forget the Pols who lied to give him stuff for free.
So he stands up, next to you, and sharts his shorts today.
He's proud to be a Boomer who's convinced that he won't pay...

Anonymous RS July 17, 2012 1:10 PM  

I can't remember a generation in American history that has so abused its children the way the Boomers have either through abandonment or abortion. When a society as a whole fails to cherish and protect their seemingly most valuable asset, it deserves the fate it will ultimately suffer.

Anonymous Morry July 17, 2012 1:11 PM  

"I say it's time for a "Bag-A-Boomer" program, an open hunting season on boomers to thin their ranks."

LOL, awesome. Like I said above, the biggest tragedy of the Vietnam war was that it ended before cutting the Boomer generation in half. Imagine if for every Boomer walking around today, one was sent to their grave before 1980.

Anonymous OK July 17, 2012 1:12 PM  

I see no reason to heap blame on any age group. Baby boomers did not vote for Lyndon Johnson and his massive increase in social programs. Nor did they vote for FDR and his social security system. So it is even more valid to blame the "greatest generation" for our troubles.

As for "don't trust anyone over 30", that was just a flippant remark by one guy. The media jumped on it to paint a whole generation.

Baby boomers grew up expecting to get nuked out of existence at any given moment by the USSR.

Additionally, the men expected to get drafted and sent off to the jungles to fight and die for a war that was not being fought to win.

So some of them went over the edge, who wouldn't?

I was born in '46 and drafted in '67 when LBJ was fully up to his neck in Vietnam, so I know something about this.

If you never got drafted during an unpopular war, then a bit of humility is advised regarding baby boomers.

Anonymous Feh July 17, 2012 1:25 PM  

So according to OK, the stupidity of the "Greatest Generation" means the Boomers are off the hook for their stupidity.

I guess we can thank the Greatest Generation for raising hopelessly self-absorbed people who are incapable of accepting responsibility for their actions. People like... OK!

Blogger IM2L844 July 17, 2012 1:25 PM  

Oh, bother! It looks like it's going to be a blustery, blustery day.

Anonymous Feh July 17, 2012 1:27 PM  

This is a typical boomer: lazy, whiny, narcissistic piece of trash looking for a handout.

Did he tell you it was all his daddy's fault for sending him to Vietnam?

Anonymous WinstonWebb July 17, 2012 1:28 PM  

If you never got drafted during an unpopular war, then a bit of humility is advised regarding baby boomers.

*brown flag*

Military conscription status is a bogus metric for commenting on observable piss-poor behavior by a recognizable group.

That's like saying I'm not allowed to comment on black crime rates if I've never been to prison.

Anonymous Josh July 17, 2012 1:32 PM  

If you never got drafted during an unpopular war, then a bit of humility is advised regarding baby boomers.

Fuck you, go home, rot, and die...

Blogger Nate July 17, 2012 1:32 PM  

"If you never got drafted during an unpopular war, then a bit of humility is advised regarding baby boomers."

I will paraphrase...

"we got drafted... and it wasn't fair... so now we will take it out on our kids."

Blogger Nate July 17, 2012 1:34 PM  

"Fuck you, go home, rot, and die..."

amen.

Anonymous OK July 17, 2012 1:34 PM  

Feh, I said no such thing. I was showing that this generation bashing is of little use.

The youth vote overwhelmingly went to Obama, and I read somewhere that he still has majority approval of young people.

Personally attacking me for not taking responsibility for my action is puzzling. That has nothing to do with what I said.
I paid for the last 4 years of my college education on my own. I have paid my own way since I was 19.

I will gladly take responsibility for my own actions, but I will not take responsibility for any particular group of which I happen to belong by accident of birth.

Anonymous OK July 17, 2012 1:37 PM  

Some of the comments about me here are the same type of thinking I used to see from radicals in the 1960's. The eat shit and die, I am right and you are wrong attitude. It is the same thing you are making fun of in others.

Anonymous WinstonWebb July 17, 2012 1:38 PM  

I will gladly take responsibility for my own actions, but I will not take responsibility for any particular group of which I happen to belong by accident of birth.

NABBALT, snowflake?

Anonymous jerry July 17, 2012 1:40 PM  

Baby boomers did not vote for Lyndon Johnson and his massive increase in social programs. Nor did they vote for FDR and his social security system. So it is even more valid to blame the "greatest generation" for our troubles.

Finally someone is talking sense here.

All this stupid reverence for the generation that heartily welcomed the "New Deal".

Anonymous WinstonWebb July 17, 2012 1:42 PM  

All this stupid reverence for the generation that heartily welcomed the "New Deal".

Where did you observe that here?

Anonymous Feh July 17, 2012 1:42 PM  

Personally attacking me for not taking responsibility for my action is puzzling. That has nothing to do with what I said.

I don't know how I came to think that when you said, "it is even more valid to blame the "greatest generation" for our troubles" and then whined about nuclear war and being drafted, that you were trying to dodge any responsibility for being a typical boomer (a lazy, whiny, narcissistic piece of trash looking for a handout).

Anonymous OK July 17, 2012 1:43 PM  

jerry,
Right. It was when LBJ's Great Society program kicked in that the financial fate of the USA was sealed and the coffin nailed shut. It was impossible to finance it without debt.

The oldest Baby boomers were not old enough to vote when LBJ was elected.

Anonymous Josh July 17, 2012 1:46 PM  

OK, short version: NABALT

Anonymous Erdo July 17, 2012 1:47 PM  

"Did he tell you it was all his daddy's fault for sending him to Vietnam?"

ha, actually no. He might have been too young to go to Vietnam (which is too bad, I guess, because we could have been rid of him!). Maybe the best solution to the boomer problem today is to urge them to commit suicide in far greater numbers.

Anonymous Josh July 17, 2012 1:48 PM  

So...all the trillions and trillions of dollars in private debt...that is crippling any economic recovery...none of that was taken out by boomers?

Anonymous WinstonWebb July 17, 2012 1:48 PM  

Josh,
The other "B" is of paramount importance. It's an enduring description of their behavior.

Anonymous OK July 17, 2012 1:49 PM  

Feh,
I accept that you have a disgust with "typical baby boomers". I just think that painting a whole generation because of the actions of the loudest cohort of them is misguided and misses the reality of what happened. I can tell you that most of us were fairly normal just like any other generation.
We just adapted a bit to the zeitgeist of the times.

Blogger Joshua_D July 17, 2012 1:52 PM  

snOw flaKe

Anonymous Kickass July 17, 2012 1:54 PM  

Nice!

Blogger Nate July 17, 2012 1:57 PM  

"The eat shit and die, I am right and you are wrong attitude. It is the same thing you are making fun of in others."

Wrong.

What we are making fun of in others is gross stupidity to think that you're the smartest people to ever live... and that you could wreck the whole country for your own benefit.

Generations are collectively defined.

Everyone didn't storm the beaches at Normandy... but that is how that generation is remembered.

Everyone may not have piled up mountains of debt and wrecked the political and civil structure of the nation in the name of progress... but that is your legacy.

Deal with it.

Anonymous Abandon Ship! July 17, 2012 2:02 PM  

My, my. Such animosity!

I'll be having pangs of remorse thinking about you bitter Gen-whatevers, when I'm kicked-back at West End Beach on Roatan, soaking my dentures in a frozen daiquri.

Anonymous OK July 17, 2012 2:02 PM  

Nate,
And what is the latest generation voting to do then? Last I heard Obama won the youth vote. So Obama is your legacy then?

By your reasoning that means young people today are helping to institute communism or fascism or whatever it is that Obama is doing. Does that make them better than the greatest generation who voted in FDR and LBJ, or the boomers who voted in Reagan and the rest of them?

Anonymous Moranderin July 17, 2012 2:03 PM  

Joshua_D wrote:

"Yes, Moranderin, the Younger Generations are just as bad as you Boomers. Please, tell me how many members of the Younger Generations serve on Municipal Boards, County Commissions, local School Boards, or State & Federal Legislatures? How many of us serve as department heads, directors, CEOs, CFOs, small business owners or college professors? How many of us are collecting Social Security, or Medicare Benefits, or getting Senior Discounts everywhere?"

And when I was young, very few Boomers served on any of those various boards, in legislatures, or in positions of power in business. I railed against government entitlements, fat pensions issued just for longevity, and all the rest. It didn't do any good because far too many people from ALL generations discovered that they could suck at the government teat if they just voted for the guy who promised the most stuff. I railed more, as did others of my generation, but we were drowned out by those shouting, "Gimme!"

Eventually, your generation will be in charge. Chances are it won't be you, personally, just members of your generation. Just like me and my few fellow railers are now. It's entirely possible your generation will seize the day, take the bull by the horns, grab the brass ring, or whatever trite phrase you want to use, and actually do something about entitlements and pensions and the debt which is burying us all. If so, more power to your generation. I'll be the first to stand and cheer.

I'm not collecting Social Security, Medicare, or collecting Senior Discounts -- though the latter are mostly granted by private businesses and, as such, have no place in this discussion -- but I have become pretty cynical in my 50+ years. There's a reason we all know this quote (the gist if not the exact quote):

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy..."

In Rome they called it bread and circuses. In the U.S., I guess it's Obamacare and reality TV. Either way, as long as the majority of people from ALL generations care more about the latest episode of Glee or American Idol (or all of those other similar shows) than they do about government spending, the only solution to the problem is going to be economic collapse, hyper inflation, or maybe a nice, big war.

I don't defend the Boomers as a generation, nor do I defend those who came before us. I just don't believe things will be any different when Gen X, Gen Y, or the Millennials are in charge.

Anonymous Ron B. July 17, 2012 2:12 PM  

"And what is the latest generation voting to do then?"

The best thing to do is vote for reps and support policies that will bring about the complete disintegration of this degenerate country in the shortest period of time.

Anonymous Stilicho July 17, 2012 2:16 PM  

I'll be having pangs of remorse thinking about you bitter Gen-whatevers, when I'm kicked-back at West End Beach on Roatan, soaking my dentures in a frozen daiquri.

Until the Hondurans develop a taste for Soylent Boomer or just for the gringos' stuff.

Blogger IM2L844 July 17, 2012 2:18 PM  

It's entirely possible your generation will seize the day, take the bull by the horns...and actually do something...

Utter nonsense!

It will be totally entertaining, if I'm allowed, to watch from afar as Generation Z.2 marches this bunch through the compulsory self-execution stations in 2045 with the caveat "It was your idea to begin with. You had your chance to make a difference and you did nothing but talk. Now, stop your bitching and moaning and get your lazy ass in there. We're running low on soylent green".

Anonymous jerry July 17, 2012 2:19 PM  

Winston Webb: Where did you observe that here?

What I observe here is a bunch of putzes whining about the boomers. Yeah it was the boomers who sucked off the teat but it was the "Greatest Generation" that whipped out it's saggy bloated jugs, shoved them in their kids' mouths and promised that mommy would let 'em suckle for as long as they wanted.

Anonymous Stilicho July 17, 2012 2:25 PM  

By your reasoning that means young people today are helping to institute communism or fascism or whatever it is that Obama is doing. Does that make them better than the greatest generation who voted in FDR and LBJ, or the boomers who voted in Reagan and the rest of them?

No shit Sherlock. It should be expected that from the eternal solipsism of the Boomer mind we see this attempt to escape blame for generational failures by ranking other generations as worse. No one has claimed that these other generations don't have their faults, but that does not excuse the Boomers' failures any more than those same failures will provide an acceptable excuse for succeeding generations' if they fail to fix the problems.

Anonymous Stilicho July 17, 2012 2:27 PM  

it was the "Greatest Generation" that whipped out it's saggy bloated jugs, shoved them in their kids' mouths and promised that mommy would let 'em suckle for as long as they wanted.

Yet here you are, whining that the tit is being taken from you.

Anonymous alexamenos July 17, 2012 2:31 PM  

I see no reason to heap blame on any age group.

Let's see if I can help you find some....

1) Baby boomers killed roughly 1 out of every 3 kids they conceived (personally, I was quite lucky to survive my mother's womb...I'm kind of a bastard, don't you know...);

2) It's kind of tough to get all that yard work done because dead and rotting fetuses can't handle a leafblower, so Boomers have been importing Mexicans to do the jobs all those (aborted) white people ostensibly won't do;

3) Those Mexican immigrants aren't real helpful when it comes to taking care of Grandma, so Baby Boomers are going to completely bust the economy to keep themselves in adult-diapers, leaving the wreckage to be cleaned up by others.

That ain't a stellar record.

And the Baby Boomers are different--they have been the generation that viewed their heirs as an inconvenience--like no other generation they've viewed their white kids as racists who needed to be diversified and they've viewed their retirements as something to be funded from their kid's future labor rather than from their own savings.

Things will be different when Gen X is in charge, not because we're more enlightened or noble, but because we won't have a choice in the matter.

Blogger Nate July 17, 2012 2:31 PM  

"And what is the latest generation voting to do then? Last I heard Obama won the youth vote. So Obama is your legacy then?"

/facepalm

1) obama was born in 1961. He's not a Gen Xr.

2) one candidate does not a generation make. Gen X's legacy has not even remotely been set yet. When it is set... it will be collectively set.

Blogger Joshua_D July 17, 2012 2:35 PM  

alexamenos July 17, 2012 2:31 PM
I see no reason to heap blame on any age group.

Let's see if I can help you find some....

1) Baby boomers killed roughly 1 out of every 3 kids they conceived


There is that.

Blogger Joshua_D July 17, 2012 2:38 PM  

I'll add that Baby Boomer parents have collectively encouraged their daughters to pursue a career and postpone marriage and children until later ... usually their early 30s, and usually too late. So y'all not only aborted your children, you also pre-aborted your grandchildren.

Damn.

Blogger JDC July 17, 2012 2:41 PM  

My parents are gone, but the wifey and I have already begun plans in our big country house for her parents. Why? Because her parents spent time with her, and displayed a sacrificial parental attitude where they placed their own needs behind the needs of their children.

They didn't allow the state to raise her by sending her off to daycare and public school and public universities...only showing up at her wedding grumbling about cost. They haven't lived their golden years demanding to be visited in Boca because they didn't want to get their fat asses out of their lounge chairs.

You reap what you sow. You care about nobody but yourself - don't expect the world (or your children) to come to your aid when you are in need.

Anonymous Mam July 17, 2012 2:46 PM  

It won't be long before the baby boomers are nothing more than a pathetic bunch of decrepit seniors barely clinging to their wasted lives and stewing in their own feces at the hospice. That should give us hope for the future. As none other than the Beatles put it: You've got to admit it's getting better.

Anonymous Alan Greenspan July 17, 2012 2:47 PM  

"Things will be different when Gen X is in charge, not because we're more enlightened or noble, but because we won't have a choice in the matter."

No, no they won't be different.

Blogger Nate July 17, 2012 2:47 PM  

"No, no they won't be different."

Math must be a really tough subject for boomers.

Anonymous JohnR July 17, 2012 2:48 PM  

I do love these threads too.

They bring out the inner asshole in everyone.

Anonymous RINO July 17, 2012 2:50 PM  

Of course there's reason to heap blame on a single age group. The Boomer generation is a shameful freakshow. A shameful freakshow that's the equivalent of driving a dump truck full of cute innocent babies into the ocean while the driver is getting a blowjob and throwing money out the window.

If one generation has been running everything for the last twenty years then they're getting the blame for it. And I don't want to hear all the boomers whose feelings are hurt talking about Obama winning the youth vote and how young people are so bad. Young voter turn out is like 50% or so, the real winner of the youth vote is "no one".

What happens when you fill the United States Congress with baby boomers?

What happens when you fill the financial sector with baby boomers?

They're a giant plague destroying everything in their path.

Anonymous Alan Greenspan July 17, 2012 2:50 PM  

No, Nate, your generation are not special snowflakes either.

You won't do what's never been done and you won't win what's never been won.

I know you'll fuck it up just like the Boomers.

Anonymous Rantor July 17, 2012 2:51 PM  

@ Nate, the point isn't that Obama is an X'r the point is that the X'rs and Millenials, by a large majority, voted for him.

Try convincing X'rs or Mills that the Department of Education should be gotten rid of. Nearly impossible, despite the fact that in some 36 years as a cabinet level organization it hasn't improved anything.

You can blame the boomers for raising them that way, but I see little difference among the various generations. If anything the younger ones are more rabidly socialistic and self-centered.

Anonymous jerry July 17, 2012 2:53 PM  

Baby boomers killed roughly 1 out of every 3 kids they conceived

Who was on the Supreme Court in 1973?

Hey, it wouldn't happen to be "The Greatest Generation", would it?

Blogger Joshua_D July 17, 2012 2:57 PM  

Listen jerry, or should I say, civilServant, be gone with your annoying rhetorical questions!

Anonymous Rantor July 17, 2012 2:57 PM  

Interesting point, in the Wisconsin recall election, the X'rs (Biggest age group supporting Walker) and Boomers voted for Walker, the Mills voted for the Dem and the Unions...

And this was a minor reduction in Union rights and privileges. Hopefully the Mills will wake up and join the X'rs in countering continued socialism and economic can kicking.

Blogger Joshua_D July 17, 2012 2:58 PM  

JohnR July 17, 2012 2:48 PM
I do love these threads too.

They bring out the inner asshole in everyone.


Assholes are like opinions; everybody has one. Wait ...

Anonymous Orion July 17, 2012 3:03 PM  

Meh, MPAI is cross generational. My father died when I was 15, a solid union member teacher and member of the Democratic party and a definite vote for Carter if he had lived to the end of that year. I like to think I may have argued around to my view of reality as he was personally fairly cautious with his money, but have no idea really. My mother, despite my telling her Obama was a mistake voted for him. My sister and her husband also. Me, I actually voted for Bush 1.0 in '92 thinking it would make a difference. Without a frontier for those that don't fit in the round peg holes to drift to, any society is doomed to repeat Herodotus' cycles. People get into complacent ruts, and the elite manipulate them and the system until it breaks. We happen to be on the cusp of another break point. Boomers simply happen to be the generation that reaps the most benefits and those that live to see the break will reap the harshest harvest as the ones that were the final tools of the cycle. Sure a high percentage have a lot of blame to shoulder, but then so does the "Greatest Generation" that failed epically to raise them well.

Anonymous jerry July 17, 2012 3:06 PM  

The Greatest Generation brought on all of this crap.

Here's a hint: when you see a whiny, bratty, spoiled kid in the grocery store screaming for Lucky Charms - a haggard, lazy, careless a-hole parent is not far behind.

But by all means let's pile on the kid. Daddy gets a pass for his despicable behavior cuz he stormed the beaches in Normandy, after all.

Anonymous JI July 17, 2012 3:09 PM  

My goodness you generalize a lot, Vox. "They", the evil Boomers, did not all subscribe to the idea that those over 30 cannot be trusted. I'll bet a higher proportion of your own nasty little generation is more disrespectful and contemptuous of those over 30 than were the Boomers.

Anonymous Josh July 17, 2012 3:16 PM  

So...JI...vox is contemptuous of...himself?

Blogger IM2L844 July 17, 2012 3:20 PM  

The Greatest Generation brought on all of this crap.

Naw. I blame Protagoras.

Anonymous alexamenos July 17, 2012 3:27 PM  

You won't do what's never been done and you won't win what's never been won.

I know you'll fuck it up just like the Boomers.


You're quite wrong on this Mr. Greenspan, if for no other reason than there will be little "it" left for us to fuck up.

30 years from now we'll be minorities in a fiscally broken, plausibly failed state. Think of it like the Baby-boomers took a big old dump in the stew, and the question of whether said stew will be delectable when it's Gen-X's turn is simply moot.

Anonymous jerry July 17, 2012 3:27 PM  

IM2L844, you are all idiot and no substance.

Blogger Nate July 17, 2012 3:32 PM  

"No, Nate, your generation are not special snowflakes either.

You won't do what's never been done and you won't win what's never been won.

I know you'll fuck it up just like the Boomers."

Imbecile. it has nothing to do with my generation being less willing to screw it up. The fact is... you already screwed it so royally... Gen X will never have the CHANCE.

The country is collapsing under the weight of your mistakes.

Saying.. "well you guys would've done the same" is just you deflecting. I can't sink a ship that's on the bottom buddy.

Blogger Peter Garstig July 17, 2012 3:35 PM  

All I know is that the boomers were the first generation to dislike both their parent's generation as well as their children's generation. It would have been a first in either case, but they did it in both directions. That's just despicable.

Blogger Joshua_D July 17, 2012 3:36 PM  

jerry, I think you've missed a couple of your meds. Go check your pill box.

Anonymous alexamenos July 17, 2012 3:36 PM  

Who was on the Supreme Court in 1973?

Hey, it wouldn't happen to be "The Greatest Generation", would it?


Regardless of which old men happened to be sitting on the Supreme Court in 1973, it was Baby Boomer Mamas killing their children as a matter of convenience.

I can't help but wonder what sort of moral malaise these folks must be in today. I have one boomer friend who is quite amiable and likable and cheerful 95% of the time, but get quite a bit of liquor in him and he'll confess that he will burn in hell for an eternity (hypothetically speaking, of course) for aborting his kids. For everyone of those millions and millions Gen X kids killed, there's at least one or maybe two tormented parents,

Perhaps 'it's for the children' is most effective precisely because of the underlying guilt felt by these Boomers???? Boomers, they're numerically powerful and spiritually weak -- that's a really bad combination in a democracy.

Anonymous HardReturn¶ July 17, 2012 3:40 PM  

Maybe there's a market for something I call "Die Boomerdämmerung." Artistry showcasing the death spiral of their self-seeking, self-satisfying, self-absorbed, self-gratifying, navel-gazing, beard-stroking vainglory. I'd laugh, I'd cry, I'd kiss $100 goodbye. Something that would make Ricky Wagner proud. That kind of Gesamtkunstwerk might even get me to repatronize the arts.

Anonymous Frederick303 July 17, 2012 3:46 PM  

As a chap who is technically a baby boomer (1964) I note wide divergence between the 1946 baby boomers, who were doing the partying at school in the mid to late 1960s and the folks of my high school class of 1982. In fact I saw a large difference between the class of 1979 and 1982 in attitudes, the 1979 class having more in common with the Abby Hoffmann then my own class, which was very much of a Ronald Regan generation.

In fact see a vast difference in attitudes between the folks that came of age pre 1974, when the general feeling on the economic front was that the times ahead would better, rather then those that have come after, where the general attitude has been that to achieve what our fathers did was doing well.

Actually as I attempt to classify each generation, once I look at the details the generalizations break down. I worked for a fellow that was a squad leader in Vietnam in 1968; he was a 1946 birth year. Not a bad chap and I doubt any here would dare say that he was a slacker to his face.

The fact is the variation within a generation is at least as great as the differences between generations. So to be honest I think these intergenerational generalizations are all crap. Few of you will walk away from the responsibilities to your parents, when they are in need, respect and love will prevent that.

Are you all so short sighted that you do not see this will apply in the times ahead across the broad reach of most families?

If there is to be conflict when some sort of a fiscal wall is hit, it will be between the productive classes and the non productive classes, as it always has been in the past. Older family members who worked for 40 years will be taken care of, somehow, those that were bumps on logs will not be. I do not see any intergenerational aspect to it.

Anonymous No_Limit_Bubba July 17, 2012 3:49 PM  

"As sure as water will wet us. As sure as fire will burn.
The gods of the copybook headings with terror and slaughter return."
Rudyard Kipling The Gods of the Copybook Headings*


*
Should be required reading of the Ilk.

Blogger Peter Garstig July 17, 2012 3:56 PM  

Did he just say 'chap'?

Blogger IM2L844 July 17, 2012 3:58 PM  

IM2L844, you are all idiot and no substance. You have misidentified succinctness as unsubstantial.

Anonymous zen0 July 17, 2012 4:04 PM  

A jolly good boomeer bashing, whot?

Meanwhile, ate zerohedge an S&P study on company pensions is discussed:

An aggregate $578 billion or 29.5% underfunding or the $1.96 trillion in obligations is increasing as the rates of return are reduced thanks to yet more unintended consequences of the Fed's ZIRP and perhaps most worrying is there comment that "The American dream of a golden retirement for baby boomers is quickly dissipating; plans have been reduced and the burden shifted with future retirees needing to save more for their retirement. For many baby-boomers it may already be too late to safely build-up assets, outside of working longer or living more frugally in retirement."

Anonymous jerry July 17, 2012 4:07 PM  

"Regardless of which old men happened to be sitting on the Supreme Court in 1973, it was Baby Boomer Mamas killing their children as a matter of convenience.

Actually, it is not "regardless". It takes one kind of evil to kill ones baby. It takes a very special kind of evil to institutionalize the killing of babies on a massive scale.

You morons want to blame a generation? Blame the generation that made killing babies a constitutional right.

Anonymous Ach July 17, 2012 4:09 PM  

"No, Nate, your generation are not special snowflakes either.

You won't do what's never been done and you won't win what's never been won.

I know you'll fuck it up just like the Boomers."


This is like Hitler saying to Dönitz in May 1945, "here ya go, buddy! You won't do any better, but have dun trying!"

Anonymous Ach July 17, 2012 4:10 PM  

fun trying

(d'oh)

Anonymous OK July 17, 2012 4:10 PM  

Frederick 303 says:
"The fact is the variation within a generation is at least as great as the differences between generations. So to be honest I think these intergenerational generalizations are all crap. "


That about sums it up. Many of us boomers are just as disgusted with some of our peers as anyone else. On the other hand there are plenty of people who are not aged 50 to 66 who are or have caused a lot of grief to society.

Additionally, boomers did not make abortion legal and no boomers today are getting abortions, yet millions continue to be aborted. So that one can't be laid on us either.

So the posts above have established that boomers were not responsible for the unsustainable expenditures of SS or the Great Society, and were not responsible for making abortion legal, and we can't be blamed for Obama. So basically blaming boomers specifically for our troubles today is not supported by facts. As part of the American electorate, sure we share responsibility with everyone else of voting age, which includes those aged 18 to 49 and those aged 67 to 105. There are a lot more of them than us.

Anonymous Starbuck July 17, 2012 4:12 PM  

Nate July 17, 2012 1:57 PM "The eat shit and die, I am right and you are wrong attitude. It is the same thing you are making fun of in others."

Wrong.

What we are making fun of in others is gross stupidity to think that you're the smartest people to ever live... and that you could wreck the whole country for your own benefit.

Generations are collectively defined.

Everyone didn't storm the beaches at Normandy... but that is how that generation is remembered.

Everyone may not have piled up mountains of debt and wrecked the political and civil structure of the nation in the name of progress... but that is your legacy.

Deal with it.



I will remember that when your generation got homosexual marriage approved in the law. Your generation will be known as the one that sucked each others dicks.

Anonymous Poli_Mis July 17, 2012 4:15 PM  

Forgive me if this was mentioned above and I did not see it, but let us not forget that the intent was to implement 'social insurance' -- AND THEN -- an entire generation of lazy and degenerate boomers failed to provide for themselves knowing they could ride the Uncle Sugar wagon. This conflated this dangerous social ill into the entitlement asteroid that will not only take out the modern day dinosaurs but all other life with it.

Blogger Nate July 17, 2012 4:15 PM  

"I will remember that when your generation got homosexual marriage approved in the law. Your generation will be known as the one that sucked each others dicks."

Actually that was the Boomers as well. Xers aren't in power.

Yet.

regardless its entirely possible that X will have a terrible legacy as well. After all... it hasn't been defined.

The one thing that will NOT be X's legacy... will be sinking a ship.

Because the ship is already sitting on the bottom of the ocean.

Anonymous lol July 17, 2012 4:22 PM  

Boomers: "wah wah, there was an arms race, wah wah, we had to go to war, wah wah, our parents were douche bags, wah wah, our kids are brats, wah wah, wah wah"

What a bunch of whiny shits the boomers are.

Anonymous Starbuck July 17, 2012 4:34 PM  

Actually that was the Boomers as well. Xers aren't in power.

Yet.

regardless its entirely possible that X will have a terrible legacy as well. After all... it hasn't been defined.

The one thing that will NOT be X's legacy... will be sinking a ship.

Because the ship is already sitting on the bottom of the ocean



Aye.. That I agree..

But like you, most boomers weren't hippes, most boomers weren't on power, most boomers were working folks or wealthy and investing...

Truth be told. I have no idea how or why the boomers messed everything up. But they did.. And don't worry. Obama Care will get them. The government will deny treatment for people into their 60's and older... aka death panels. The gen x'rs won't have to put up with the boomers as long as the boomers put up with their parents in their old age.

And as to the yahoo's who demand every baby boomer be executed in a horrible fashion. Yeah.. bite me. I never killed my children, I supported them and I spent time to teach them many things. So now you want to kill me? Good luck buddy, but ther are 3 boys that seem to care for me and I gurantee you they would turn your worthless whiny ass into paste. You might want to see a shrink about your homocidal tendencies, they are going to get you killed..


You do have that going for you..

Anonymous Pablo July 17, 2012 4:38 PM  

FTW!
Could not have been stated any better.

Anonymous jerry July 17, 2012 4:40 PM  

What a bunch of whiny shits the boomers are.

I can't decide what's worse - "wah, wah there was an arms race" or "wah wah there was a great depression"

Oh well, since it was The Greatest Generation that gave us the New Deal and also gave us the arms race - I think I know who's worse.

Anonymous alexamenos July 17, 2012 4:42 PM  

So the posts above have established that boomers were not responsible for the unsustainable expenditures of SS

Boomers will skull-fornicate their remaining unaborted children before they'll give up their SS welfare benefits--to say that they're not responsible for the unsustainable expenditures of SS is to miss the not-so-unrelevant fact that SS was sustainable until the boomers started retiring.

Anonymous OK July 17, 2012 4:43 PM  

What a bunch of whiny shits the boomers are.

I was trying to help those who weren't there understand the feeling of the times. I could say what a bunch of angry shits the young people are. Feral beasts with no conscience or respect for others I see. Flash mobs waiting to prey on others, hatred lurking in the background ready to burst into view at the least provocation. But I won't say that.

Anonymous OK July 17, 2012 4:45 PM  

the not-so-unrelevant fact that SS was sustainable until the boomers started retiring.

No it wasn't. That it was unsustainable was a known fact back in the 1960's when Congress started funding it with IOU's.

Anonymous Ron B. July 17, 2012 4:47 PM  

"And don't worry. Obama Care will get them. The government will deny treatment for people into their 60's and older... aka death panels."

Exactly. This is actually one of the best reasons to support Obamacare, Boomer population control, same as you would do for any animal infestation. When we gen x and y-ers decide we want to pull the plug, we can just say, "sorry mom and dad, it's not us, the death panel made the decision, surely you understand."

Blogger Nate July 17, 2012 4:53 PM  

"And as to the yahoo's who demand every baby boomer be executed in a horrible fashion. Yeah.. bite me. "

You're miss reading the anger.

What we want is for you to reap what you've sewn. You have three boys that will be taking care of you... the way you took care of them... the way I will be taking care of my parents.

But the majority of baby boomers have NOT sewn that.

Anonymous lol July 17, 2012 4:53 PM  

"I could say what a bunch of angry shits the young people are. Feral beasts with no conscience or respect for others I see. Flash mobs waiting to prey on others, hatred lurking in the background ready to burst into view at the least provocation."

Well, you can thank their parents, the Baby-Boomers.

Anonymous Stilicho July 17, 2012 4:54 PM  

The most amusing part of this thread is all of the Boomers whining that it was this or that or someone else or that you guys are just as bad. I wonder where the stereotype of the Me Generation comes from...

Anonymous James Dixon July 17, 2012 4:54 PM  

> 1) obama was born in 1961. He's not a Gen Xr.

While they're details are often suspect, Wikipedia can normally be relied upon for definitions:

Generation X, commonly abbreviated to Gen X, is the generation born after the Western post–World War II baby boom ended.[1] While there is no universally agreed upon time frame,[2] the term generally includes people born from the early 1960s through the early 1980s, usually no later than 1981 or 1982

Anonymous Gimme Sum July 17, 2012 4:55 PM  

Can't you shoot all the leeches who don't work or pay taxes today? That should help the bottom line. Generation EBT?

Anonymous Get it yourself July 17, 2012 4:57 PM  

Only suckers pay taxes.

Anonymous alexamenos July 17, 2012 4:59 PM  

No it wasn't. That it was unsustainable was a known fact back in the 1960's when Congress started funding it with IOU's.

Congress started messed with the funding of SS because they wanted to fund a war with SE Asia, not because SS was unsustainable in and of itself.

Of two things we can be virtually certain:

1) The current path of SS is absolutely unsustainable vis a vis the demographic size of (unaborted) Gen-Xers relative to Baby Boomers; and

2) Baby Boomers are going to suck every nickle they can out of SS as they take the metaphorical ship down with them.

I am quite confident when I say that Baby Boomers are as likely to literally skull fuck their (unaborted) kids as they are to give up their welfare benefits simply because however improbable the former the latter is even less probable.

I know this because a) I listen to Boomers talk; and b) I watch their actions.

Blogger Nate July 17, 2012 5:00 PM  

"
Generation X, commonly abbreviated to Gen X, is the generation born after the Western post–World War II baby boom ended.[1] While there is no universally agreed upon time frame,[2] the term generally includes people born from the early 1960s through the early 1980s, usually no later than 1981 or 1982"

Wiki may say early.

Mid-60 is far more widely accepted.

Anonymous OK July 17, 2012 5:02 PM  

The most amusing part of this thread is all of the Boomers whining that it was this or that or someone else or that you guys are just as bad. I wonder where the stereotype of the Me Generation comes from...

Pointing out a sense of balance is not whining, it is pointing out a sense of balance. The term whining could also be used to characterize those blaming all the world's troubles on people between the ages of 50 and 66. It is pretty ridiculous on its face.

And for Nate, I was not saying Obama was of your generation, I was saying that by the logic you use on boomers we can blame your generation for electing him, and therefore we can blame you for his policies. Not that I believe that, but it is according to your logic.

OpenID ZT July 17, 2012 5:03 PM  

Nate: My parents were conservative hardworkers that gave me a lot... and never once indulged in the idiocy of their peers. When the time comes I'll be honoured to take care of them.

This is as it should be, kids take care of their parents. Not kids take care of someone else's (Unless they volunteer or are paid).

As for GenX and Y I think we have done more to recognize the failures and are starting to move to make changes. At least I hope they are but they are just moving into political power to start making change.

Anonymous lol July 17, 2012 5:04 PM  

Honor thy father and mother. Assist their suicide.

Anonymous alexamenos July 17, 2012 5:05 PM  

What we want is for you to reap what you've sewn. You have three boys that will be taking care of you... the way you took care of them... the way I will be taking care of my parents.

Exactly -- I have no problem taking care of my own, it's the impositions of Baby Boomers who susbstantially say that I owe them something by virtue of the fact that they've become old and unproductive....

And I mean this quite literally--I manage a company with a fair amount of fairly old people, the majority of whom expect me to go on paying them exactly the same amount (if not more) for doing less and less work each passing year. It's an astonishing and infuriating level of entitlement that makes me want to throw them catfood and crackers retirment parties.

Blogger Nate July 17, 2012 5:07 PM  

"And for Nate, I was not saying Obama was of your generation, I was saying that by the logic you use on boomers we can blame your generation for electing him, and therefore we can blame you for his policies. Not that I believe that, but it is according to your logic."

No mate. You obviously didn't follow the logic. Gen X didn't elect Obama.

Generations are not defined by single presidents.

Anonymous OK July 17, 2012 5:13 PM  

"Generations are not defined by single presidents."

We agree on something. Good place to quit and go eat.

Blogger Joshua_D July 17, 2012 5:13 PM  

If and when we Xers get "into power," which may or may not happen (I mean really, do you know anything about us?), the Boomers would surely end our political careers as soon as we started cutting their entitlements.

"As Senator Joshua_D, I will really vote end this unsustainable debt by truly cutting all entitlement programs starting with Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid!"

... crickets ... followed by grumbles ... boos .... and probably geriatric violence ...

Anonymous Frederick303 July 17, 2012 5:16 PM  

There is seemingly a lot of hostility to the baby boomers here, yet a really doubt that young folks share that hostility for their individual parents. Cannot those who are blaming all the ills of the present world on the baby boomers or the “greatest generation” see that each and every one of these folks that make up the generations are individuals. Some good and some bad.

If I look at the present generation, I see a lot of hardworking kids who do not have the chances that I had, due to the outsourcing of jobs from the 1970’s and on. I also see some kids who are slackers and would remain adolescents if the world would let them. I also see a number of kids who are not so hard-working, but are this way as they do not see a path to the success their parent knew and so are optimizing their day to day life. Then I know some real heroes, who went to war for a stupid cause, but did it for the best of motivations. All are individuals, not part of a homogenous generation.

If folks posting here are displacing their displeasure of their present circumstances on a group or a generation, then you had better reexamine your axioms. Blaming others as a group tends to move one into the “victim” class, even if it is only in your own mind. It is not healthy. Each generation faces unique challenges, and I am afraid that the present on faces some pretty severe economic and social ones. So did prior generations, while those challenges may now seem not so severe, they were very real to the folks that lived through those times.

Just another point of view to consider.

Anonymous No_Limit_Bubba™ July 17, 2012 5:30 PM  

Social Security = Ponzi Scheme = Unsustainable.


This has been known since the '30s.


Not rocket science.

Anonymous jerry July 17, 2012 5:30 PM  

Stilicho: "Yet here you are, whining that the tit is being taken from you."

No, that was Vox.

Anonymous jb July 17, 2012 5:35 PM  

The entire issue, be it boomers or x'rs or the present post'ers or whatever label one wishes to adopt ...

Life has always been about gittin' up off yer butt and gittin' a job and cutting your own way. Pay your bills and live within your means and take care of you and yours.

Or not. This inter-generational bullshit is bullshit. Period.

Anonymous alexamenos July 17, 2012 5:39 PM  

Social Security = Ponzi Scheme = Unsustainable.

Social Security is a bit different from a Ponzi Scheme:

A Ponzi Scheme requires a con to bring in new investors, and it goes bust when the pool of investors coming in is too small to provide returns to the higher levels of the pyramid;

As for Social Security, the pool of new investors is already too small to support the retirees. Unaborted Gen-xers aren't *investing* in SS because they've been conned, but instead because they have guns pointed at their heads.

Anonymous kh123 July 17, 2012 5:41 PM  

"This inter-generational bullshit is..."

Apparently not representative of an historical phenomena, complete with large percentage of peoples in x-timeframe participating in, parroting, or in general fostering movements that emerged from their midst.

The Third Reich and Bolsheviks appeared out of nowhere as well, with no one to blame.

Anonymous jb July 17, 2012 5:54 PM  

The Third Reich and the Bolsheviks appeared out of "nowhere?"

Good Lord Almighty. Someone actually wrote those words? Oy vey!

Anonymous Gx1080 July 17, 2012 6:01 PM  

Never ones to miss an oportunity to say "fuck you son, I got mine", Boomers keep showing what a bunch of entitled shits they are.

You know, is a GOOD think that Social Security on the US is a Ponzi scheme. That means that it depends on each generation being richer than the last one. Guess what isn't true anymore?

Anonymous realmatt July 17, 2012 6:06 PM  

I hate baby boomers. Everything about them sickens me. At least their idiot parents, the "Greatest Generation" had something substantial to latch onto, whether they right or not. These retards just went around like pussies talking about Vietnam.

I just imagine their disgusting stupid smug male feminist faces and their middle age earrings and goatees and feel like vomiting. They accomplish nothing and pretend to have seen it all. Typical stupid liberal worthless Alan Alda pieces of shit I can't stand them.

Fuck the Beatles.

They make me hate the Beatles.

Anonymous Looking Bird July 17, 2012 6:16 PM  

Man, this thread is starting to be a real buzz-kill.

(Calls back to the old lady) "Is there any roaches left in the ashtray?"

Anonymous E. PERLINE July 17, 2012 6:27 PM  

I'm a WW2 veteran and I see a lot of anger out there, and it's all directed toward the preceding generations. The strong influence of the media plus our herd instincts, makes most of us think like the socialists of old, even though socialism has been a failure.

The reason our socialism doesn't work is that we aren't like the ants or bees, we're primates. Have you ever seen a primate that was selfless?

Anonymous OK July 17, 2012 6:39 PM  

realmatt, Alan Alda is not a baby boomer, neither were the Beatles.

Anonymous CynicAle July 17, 2012 6:46 PM  

"I just don't believe things will be any different when Gen X, Gen Y, or the Millennials are in charge." Moranderin

Don't Effing blame Gen X you bastard. We'd love to fix the Boomers fuckups, but they won't retire, promote us or get out of the workplace!

...and don't expect it to change when Gen Y/Mils are all about "community" and "going along to get along" They *FEAR* individuality.

Anonymous CynicAle July 17, 2012 7:00 PM  

Wherein Jerry shows just why the Boomers are so despised they don't believe in individual responsibility. "You morons want to blame a generation? Blame the generation that made killing babies a constitutional right."

Making a thing LEGAL does not make it COMPULSORY. I very much doubt that the Greatest Generation was forcing women to get abortions. If you have statistics or evidence please provide it now.

I'm calling you out. PUOSU

Anonymous Foetus July 17, 2012 7:02 PM  

"Honor thy father and mother. Assist their suicide."

I would, but I was aborted, Foetus

Anonymous Anonymous July 17, 2012 7:03 PM  

Peace love dope to u all.

Anonymous WhatiZgenX July 17, 2012 7:05 PM  

"The Generation X Aptitude Test:

1. Do you want to change the world?
A. Yes, and I’m proud to say we did it, man. We changed the world. Just look around you!
B. Yes, absolutely, and I promise I will get back to doing that just as soon as interest rates return to where they’re supposed to be.
C. Omigod, omigod, changing the world and helping people is, like, totally important to me! I worked in a soup kitchen once and it was so sad but the poor people there had so much dignity!
D. The way you phrase that question is so fucking cheesy and absurd that I am not even sure I want to continue with this pointless exercise.

That’s the only question on the GXAT. I could tack on a bunch of stuff about John Hughes movies and George Stephanopoulos and the Austrian version of “Rock Me Amadeus,” but there is no need. We’re done. If you chose d, accept it: you’re an Xer, even if you happen to be eighty years old. As people like Coupland have been pointing out for years now, X is more a sensibility than a rigidly confined demographic.

X Saves the World, Jeff Gordinier"

Anonymous TLM July 17, 2012 7:14 PM  

That was beautiful.

Anonymous Wedgie July 17, 2012 7:24 PM  

Divide and conquer.

Anonymous jerry July 17, 2012 7:25 PM  

CynicAle: I'm calling you out. PUOSU

Calling me out about what?!?

Anonymous CynicAle July 17, 2012 7:56 PM  

@jerry

"I very much doubt that the Greatest Generation was forcing women to get abortions. If you have statistics or evidence please provide it now."

Anonymous jerry July 17, 2012 8:00 PM  

Never said they were.

Anything else?

Anonymous III July 17, 2012 8:01 PM  

My father, who was born in 1937, raised by his grandparents, married my mother who bore him 2 sons and a daughter... worked his butt off his entire life to provide clothing, food, and shelter for his family and provide a comfortable retirement without having to rely on handouts, puts most of this generation, and the generation before it, and my generation to shame.

I feel myself fortunate that I was able to be at his bedside today, his hand in mine, looking into the eyes of a man as he went and slept in the Lord.

Anonymous RedJack July 17, 2012 8:08 PM  

As I have said before. Many boomers will have a rather horrible end.

I have an idea of how my generation will react when it is time. Nomads are not know for being sentimental.

Anonymous Looking Bird July 17, 2012 8:08 PM  

Do the boomers honestly believe that given any disposable income the Xers might have, that Xers are going to forgo their i-gizmos, their hooking up money, and their tattoos just to keep boomers alive and comfortable well into their 80's and beyond?

Why of course the Xers will work double shifts and then step up and donate half their paychecks to Social Security and then go on to live like paupers themselves!

Boomers, I salute you. You gave so much and asked for so little.

Anonymous CynicAle July 17, 2012 8:10 PM  

Let me restate your argument as it progressed:

You asserted that the Boomers are not responsible for the abortions they performed.
Jerry:Who was on the Supreme Court in 1973?

Hey, it wouldn't happen to be "The Greatest Generation", would it?


You asserted that the Greatest Generation is to blame for the slaughter because they sat on the court that ruled in Roe v. Wade
Actually, it is not "regardless". It takes one kind of evil to kill ones baby. It takes a very special kind of evil to institutionalize the killing of babies on a massive scale.

You morons want to blame a generation? Blame the generation that made killing babies a constitutional right.


You assert that it is less evil to murder someone than it is to pass a law making allowing said act. If I may attempt to clarify further by applying your logic to another historical period with a question.
Were the lawmakers that allowed slavery to be legal more evil the slave owner?

Again, Your argument falls flat. I re-state if you have evidence that the greatest generation killed more children in peacetime than the boomers, please provide it now.

Anonymous CynicAle July 17, 2012 8:16 PM  

The sane Boomers, in the last decade recognized the shame of their generation

The Worst Generation
Or, how I learned to stop worrying and hate the Boomers"
by Paul Begalia (A boomer himself)

At the risk of feeding their narcissism, I believe it's time someone stated the simple truth: The Baby Boomers are the most self-centered, self-seeking, self-interested, self-absorbed, self-indulgent, self-aggrandizing generation in American history.

I hate the Boomers.

I KNOW IT'S A SIN to hate, so let me put it this way: If they were animals, they'd be a plague of locusts, devouring everything in their path and leaving but a wasteland. If they were plants, they'd be kudzu, choking off every other living thing with their sheer mass. If they were artists, they'd be abstract expressionists, interested only in the emotions of that moment--not in the lasting result of the creative process. If they were a baseball club, they'd be the Florida Marlins: prefab prima donnas who bought their way to prominence, then disbanded--a temporary association but not a team.
----------SNIP-----------
And don't give me this crap about Boomer music. The Beatles were all born before the end of the war. So was Janis. So while the Boomers can claim they had the good taste to listen to gifted pre-Boomers, when it came their turn to make music, the truest expression of their generation, what did they give us?

Disco.

The generation that came before the Boomers gave them Dylan. The Boomers gave us KC and the Sunshine Band. Thanks a lot.


And he praises Gen X

IN THE LONG RUN, will it matter that one generation was so spectacularly selfish? Maybe not. In a great karmic irony, the Worst Generation may in turn be raising another great one. Having taught the children of the Baby Boomers off and on for five years now, at the University of Texas and at Georgetown, I find them to be the opposite of everything I despise about their parents--they are engaged in their communities, spending endless hours volunteering to build housing for the poor or to feed the homeless. They are concerned about their classmates, having calmed down the PC mania and replaced it with a sensible sensitivity to the feelings of others. They care about the future and are concerned about their grandparents. They are more responsible in their private lives and more engaged in our public life. I have no idea whether it's because of the Boomers or in spite of them.

And unlike me, who spews vitriol and venom at the Boomers, their kids roll their eyes and let out an ironic laugh. That's another thing: These kids are ironic but not cynical. They're Letterman's children. And they seem to understand that their parents are growing older but not growing up.

Anonymous Zartan July 17, 2012 8:36 PM  

A google search shows an interesting collection of links about the boomers

Baby boomers: powerful and selfish written by a Boomer

Economic Perspectives:Baby Boomers - The Most Selfish Generation

Hey Kids of Baby Boomers, Forget About Your Inheritance boomers plan to spend all their money

Generation X Stymied by Baby Boomers Refusing to Give Up Jobs
'I am part of the most selfish generation in history and we should be ashamed of our legacy,' says Jeremy Paxman
"And then the Luckiest Generation tut at the level of anti-social behaviour they claim to see. It strikes me as more of a wonder the streets aren't full of demonstrators demanding compulsory euthanasia." Jeremy Paxman, a baby boomer

Anonymous Idle Spectator July 17, 2012 8:40 PM  

As a millennial, it is always fun reading the comments on this subject.

Anonymous jerry July 17, 2012 8:51 PM  

CynicAle: Let me restate your argument as it progressed:

You asserted that the Boomers are not responsible for the abortions they performed.

Nope. Never said that.

You asserted that the Greatest Generation is to blame for the slaughter because they sat on the court that ruled in Roe v. Wade
No again. I said they were to blame for making it a constitutional right.

You assert that it is less evil to murder someone than it is to pass a law making allowing said act.

Wrong again. I said it was a special kind of evil, not that it was more evil. (BTW, the supreme court does not pass laws)

Were the lawmakers that allowed slavery to be legal more evil the slave owner?

Don't know. Never made that argument.

Again, Your argument falls flat. I re-state if you have evidence that the greatest generation killed more children in peacetime than the boomers, please provide it now.
Sorry, but I never made that argument.

You are not very good at this, are you?

Anonymous CynicAle July 17, 2012 8:51 PM  

@Alan Greenspan stated "You won't do what's never been done and you won't win what's never been won."

Gen X has founded/started/created:

SpaceX
Yahoo!
Amazon.com
google
wikipedia
craigslist
myspace (where did facebook get it's idea from?)
PayPal
eBay
Square
Twitter
The FPS (Wolf3D)
Unreal <- CliffyB, heck most of modern gaming was GenX's doing
Kiva, Microlending

GenX took the post-arpanet internet and made it what it is today. We took the internet and made it a usable tool for business, communication, and fun.

Yeah, we kind of revolutionized the world in a way unseen since the industrial revolution - kind of a big deal, but we don't usually brag about our actual accomplishments. Sadly we hear endlessly about how you turned some farm into mud, got high, and had sex in the sixties.

Anonymous zen0 July 17, 2012 8:58 PM  

This has to be one of the silliest recurring threads at this blog. Probably the only silly one.

I am sure it serves some useful purpose for somebody somewhere at some particular time, but in comparison to the usual topics? .... Silly.

Anonymous CynicAle July 17, 2012 9:16 PM  

jerry:"Nope. Never said that."
"Regardless of which old men happened to be sitting on the Supreme Court in 1973, it was Baby Boomer Mamas killing their children as a matter of convenience."

jerry: Actually, it is not "regardless". It takes one kind of evil to kill ones baby. Blame the generation that made killing babies a constitutional right.
This is, despite your protestations, an assertion that the War generation, not the boomers are responsible for the abortive slaughter.

jerry:"You are not very good at this, are you?"

Better than you'd think. Even if I made a mistake in my arguments They may not be wrong.

Anonymous CynicAle July 17, 2012 9:20 PM  

@Idle Spectator
"As a millennial, it is always fun reading the comments on this subject."

Don't leave us hanging! Speaking for yourself, what do you think about the state of the world that the Boomers are leaving?

Anonymous kh123 July 17, 2012 9:23 PM  

"Someone actually wrote those words?"

No, they came out of a vacuum. The same as Social Security, National Socialism, euthanasia, choice. Are you not reading what's written, good sir?

Anonymous johnc July 17, 2012 9:49 PM  

If women would begin to prefer home life more than careers, in theory, the economic situation would improve. As would family life.

Anonymous Outlaw X July 17, 2012 9:55 PM  

Fortunately, the time is rapidly approaching when the younger generations can band together and permit the Boomers to experience the consequences they deserve by shutting down their overly generous pensions and refusing to pay for their medical care.

To blame the National debt on the "Boomers" is akin to blaming the current economic condition on poor people buying houses. Short sighted and a non sequitur. Not worthy of your intellect.

Anonymous jerry July 17, 2012 9:58 PM  

This is, despite your protestations, an assertion that the War generation, not the boomers are responsible for the abortive slaughter.

Wrong. You made up the part about me saying boomers are not responsible. And you just quoted me clearly saying it is "evil to kill ones baby".

Even if I made a mistake in my arguments they may not be wrong.

That's the thing about straw man arguments. They aren't "wrong". They're just logically flawed.

I counted six of them from you in this thread. That's why I said you are not very good at this - you don't seem to be able to argue with my actual statements so you make up a kooky strawman argument ("I very much doubt that the Greatest Generation was forcing women to get abortions") and pretend that I said it.

My advice to you is to learn better argumentation skills, and the application of logic in rhetoric. This online video series might be a very good place for you to start.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

Anonymous lol July 17, 2012 10:07 PM  

The situation is very simple. Death panels for Baby Boomers. It is called population control. Baby boomers are basically an entire generation of parasites and leeches. If they have to be killed off with death panels, well, that might be the most peaceful way of doing away with them. It is a simple cost/benefit analysis. Baby boomers cost our country and our society more than they are worth. They should be done away with. Off with their heads. It can't happen soon enough.

Anonymous diffeomorph July 17, 2012 10:20 PM  

Millennial here. Fuck the boomers. That is all.

Anonymous Outlaw X July 17, 2012 10:21 PM  

The situation is very simple. Death panels for Baby Boomers. It is called population control. Baby boomers are basically an entire generation of parasites and leeches. If they have to be killed off with death panels, well, that might be the most peaceful way of doing away with them. It is a simple cost/benefit analysis. Baby boomers cost our country and our society more than they are worth. They should be done away with. Off with their heads. It can't happen soon enough.

The people behind the eugenics aren't just coming for the "Boomers", they are coming for us as well. You can continue in your ignorance and blame a generation, a race or a religion, but it will end up at everyone feet after you cross that Rubicon.

I am going to assume most of this thread was satire, because if not we are in a world of hurt.

Anonymous lol July 17, 2012 10:22 PM  

"This has to be one of the silliest recurring threads at this blog. Probably the only silly one."

Yeah, no. Unfortunately, this is one of the most important topics for discussion in our country today. The question is, will we continue to let the parasites and leeches in the baby boomer generation monopolize political power for their own degenerate ends, or will we take action against these scum and do what should have been done decades ago and wipe them out?

Anonymous Outlaw X July 17, 2012 10:24 PM  

Messed up, the first paragraph is supposed to be bold as a quote in my 10:21 PM comment, sorry.

Anonymous zen0 July 17, 2012 10:28 PM  

lol July 17, 2012 10:22 PM

"This has to be one of the silliest recurring threads at this blog. Probably the only silly one."

Yeah, no. Unfortunately, this is one of the most important topics for discussion in our country today.


MPAI .'. lol = MP

Anonymous Hunter F. Thompson July 17, 2012 10:32 PM  

Did anyone see this?

“We’re in a very unfortunate position to be here,” Richard Duncan, author of The New Depression, warned on CNBC’s “Squawk Box Europe” Monday.

He made some sense right here:

“When we broke the link between money and gold, this removed all constraints on credit creation. This explosion of credit created the world we live in, but it now seems that credit cannot expand any further because the private sector is incapable of repaying the debt it has already, and if credit begins to contract, there’s a very real danger that we will collapse into a new Great Depression,”

Then towards the end, a real doozie. A commenter caught it as well:

I think that this guy understands what is happening, America is drowing in its own financial debt. Yet, the last part threw me, where he said "...governments in the developed world should borrow “massive” amounts of money at the current low interest rates to invest in new technologies like renewable energy and genetic engineering. Even if this is wasted, at least we could enjoy this civilization for another ten years before it collapses,” he said."
WTF?!! This is excatly what we should not be doing! He almost had me.


This is the kind groupthink we are dealing with. I much rather hasten the collapse now. 10 years from now, we will at least be 10 years into the recovery...

Anonymous hoosiertoo July 17, 2012 11:32 PM  

My, my. Petulant little twats railing against their parents generation. Just like their daddies and their daddies before. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. I always find these threads amusing. Some of you need to get over yourselves.

Meantime, boomer that I am (1959), I'll do what I can to change what I can and that'll have to do. I'm headed of to a rally this weekend for a wee bit of debauchery before coming back to work Monday and trying to get a decent days work out of some of generation whatever's close to useless younglings.

In the words of the immortal Buster Kilrain: "Any man who judges by the group is a pea wit. You take men one at a time."

Anonymous lol July 17, 2012 11:54 PM  

The only good boomer is a dead boomer.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 18, 2012 12:13 AM  

Who cares about this intergenerational stuff ... it seems that it is pretty easy to get a US birth cert in Hawaii even if you weren't actually born there.

Blogger Doom July 18, 2012 3:41 AM  

Hmm...

Dot Com bust...
Housing Bubble burst...
Higher Ed burst...

Boom Burst...
I like this one, linguistically as well as otherwise, the best. And I can almost see my monicker in there. Which... would fit. :) I'm all happy.

Anonymous FP July 18, 2012 4:00 AM  

Starbuck: "I will remember that when your generation got homosexual marriage approved in the law. Your generation will be known as the one that sucked each others dicks."

I think I'd prefer that moniker than the "depends on what the definition of is, is" generation. Oh, excuse me. Is Bill Bennett is calling again, telling me to man up and marry one of his career conservative gals and slave away for the system thats in its death throes?

Anonymous Xer July 18, 2012 5:14 AM  

"Gen X has founded/started/created:

SpaceX
Yahoo!
Amazon.com
google
wikipedia
craigslist
myspace (where did facebook get it's idea from?)
PayPal
eBay
Square
Twitter
The FPS (Wolf3D)
Unreal <- CliffyB, heck most of modern gaming was GenX's doing
Kiva, Microlending"

And don't forget who is on the front lines exposing all the status quo BS especially in finance? Xer's like Taibbi, Vox, ZH, etc... While most Boomers slop up NBC,MSN,CNN etc.. for their "news" basically the status quo.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 18, 2012 6:37 AM  

I don't know Vox, are the younger generations smart enough to do this considering their mind controlled, checked out, doped up, maxed out, dysfunctional current states?

Agreed Xer, gen X has created very innovated goods and services. While I am negative on the 1990's and gen xer's, I do love them. (I rarely use the word love so accept it as my approval without the usual protests I throw around about the 1990's X'ers.)

While I am negative about the talk of having this great successful future I hope for the best and want everyone to be happy, successful, healthy, etc. - these wishes simply are not realistic although nice to think. I wish the younger generations would become the courageous leaders that my father became.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 18, 2012 6:37 AM  

I know a family that was pushed into utter financial ruin by a wild spender, gambler wife who is also a cat lady. The complete devastation has cost them over hundreds of thousands of dollars, their quality of life, house, savings, and broke the spirit of the husband. Her excuse, "I won't be denied."

I was speechless and infuriated at such an self-destructive thought process.

Meanwhile, her daughter is an unrecoverable situation from job losses, a 4closure and a critical decline in health. The daughter has foodstamps when the parents have money for food but it gets gambled away.

The husband who is completely checked out of the marriage and only has his sister, brother and daughter as family.

Does the wife care? No, she spends her newly earned soc. sec check at the slot machines and lives in filth. The daughter and husband left her stupidity.

Yeah, she won't be denied, the princess routine of a boomer...From what else I understood she will not be reasoned with. Last I heard the wife is living in the another 4closed home with the cats and the daughter/father moved into a rental.

Note, the following is not the best comment: What saddens me is how some boomers interview me up north. In NC, they treated me with such friendliness and usually hired me that day. Boomers up north treat me with disdain, won't hire me after I jump through their hoops. My references are usually already working there and pull for me. But instead they opt to hire according to their demographics policies or give the most discriminatory (rumored) reasons why they won't hire me. I don't understand how boomers expect all these retirement perks during a depression or after one when they won't let the young people work. Have some boomers never heard of "tax rolls/gov't revenue"? I know several married aunts that draw a hefty pension, have their husbands money and still work - yet they are not happy.

Amazing.

Moving along.

It amusing that so much of what is unconstitutional is now constitutionally demanded by both parties over 50; welfare, (mediscams); medicare, medicaid, soc. sec., etc. The fear mongering about rationing, pulling the cord on granny. It borders on boomer hysteria. Then the matter of being neoconned or brainwashed - these people actually fear a couple of alleged true believers terrorists when an actual attack is a false flag or an statistical improbability.

Some boomers today are unable to be reasoned with, incredibly selfish, confident that they will never suffer/be broke, spend wildly and believe everything the police state media tells them. On the other hand, there are other boomers who have no one to vote for as they view politics in the following; incoherent, stupid, diversionary and sophomoric. The wealthy boomers or older Americans are leaving the country in droves and so they should.

Let the younger generations deal with the housing disaster, lack of employment, edu-debt doom - see if I/we do anything.

Speaking of edu-debt, I recently applied to return to college as a joke with my friends. We wanted to see if we'd receive grants or loans. One friend received an option of a $45k Stafford loan. I received a 20k loan - we all laughed and asked for grants. We were denied for various bureaucratic (lies) reasons I haven't blogged about it yet but the topic is in for a huge eff you Stafford.

Anonymous Luke July 18, 2012 7:20 AM  

Hoosiertoo said:

"In the words of the immortal Buster Kilrain: "Any man who judges by the group is a pea wit. You take men one at a time."

Including in a flash mob, at NOW HQ, or among the staff at the Lubyanka? Seems a waste of time to me better spent on getting a better sight picture or reloading. Much of the time birds of a feather clearly DO flock together; if they don't start of BOF, they end up that way soon enough.

Anonymous Rosalys July 18, 2012 7:20 AM  

"One key reason: their indebted parents are not leaving their jobs, forcing younger people to put careers on hold." I don't know if this belongs as a reason for the younger generation being screwed. I know plenty of people who are not quite retirement age who can't find a decent job because of so called age discrimination. I also would not blame anyone who is of retirement age for not leaving their job. With the uncertainty ahead I wouldn't dare quit my job. I understand that my Social Security benefits will probably, out of necessity, be curtailed in the future and I want to save what I can now while I am still able to work. I also realize that all those savings can disappear in hyperinflation. I have some friends who have taken early retirement because they "have enough". I really fear for them as enough won't be enough in a very short time.

But the younger generation IS getting screwed! As a boomer I am ashamed of my generation and want to apologize to you youngsters for what we've done to you. I would gladly give up my "rights" to SS and Medicare in exchange for this country turning around and getting itself back on the correct, Constitutional path.

But you youngsters (young women mostly) have to stop being stupid. You spread your legs for any low life cretin out there and either refuse to get married or wonder why no one will marry you. And yet increasingly you have children anyway, which is the #1 cause of childhood poverty. The geezers are not blameless in this either. The WWII generation as well as we boomers did not do an adequate job passing on the values that we grew up with. We sowed the wind and now we are reaping the whirlwind. A Godly people would never have allowed this to happen.

Anonymous RedJack July 18, 2012 9:52 AM  

Rosalys,
You are right. However you have to look at the economics of it.

For a woman to marry, have children, and stay at home, her husband (or herself) have to support it. If she gets pregany without marriage, the state does and she has a standard of living like she was makeing $45K a year. Or more depending on the state.

It is literally more expensive to have a kid and be married. Many young women have figured this out, and now we have three generations of welfare families.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 18, 2012 12:39 PM  

Like equality my wish for everyone to be happy, successful and healthy isn't realistic. That is not our world...

But some boomers don't know economics, banking - they know Hannity, Beck and simpleton politics while they are being RIPPED off. Meanwhile, the youth have (nearly) no future.

Anonymous jerry July 18, 2012 7:00 PM  

But some boomers don't know economics, banking - they know Hannity, Beck and simpleton politics while they are being RIPPED off

Beck predicted the meltdown.

Anonymous Questall July 18, 2012 7:04 PM  

jerry "Beck predicted the meltdown."

Source?

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 19, 2012 12:05 PM  

I don't hate boomers, I dislike their choices similar to how I simply don't 'like' everyone just to be nice.

Today, I was interviewed by 4 boomers. I didn't want to attend an interview since my parents and I are in a big move to another state.

At the end of the interview they told me I will not be hired b/c I am too 'smiley and I changed how I was sitting 3 times'.

As if I could be diverted.

I asked them if they think their soc. sec., pensions/death benefits will be paid to them and I asked if they believed we are in a economic depression?

They told me I was crazy, they will have all their money and we are in a recovery.

In a symbolic gesture, I took my copy of the position and ripped it in two and walked out. They were silent.

One of them called me and offered me the job, I said no.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 19, 2012 12:06 PM  

The phone call came later that day after I had left their office.

Anonymous jerry July 19, 2012 9:40 PM  

Source?

Umm, Glenn Beck.

Blogger Spacebunny July 20, 2012 1:56 AM  

jerry, do try not to be an ass and answer the question if you want to continue commenting here.

Anonymous whatever July 20, 2012 2:19 AM  


The public debt constitutes a toxic legacy handed over to offspring who will have to pay it off in at least three ways: through higher taxes, less infrastructure and social spending, and, fatefully, the prospect of painfully slow growth for the foreseeable future.


The logic error is assuming we have to pay it back at all. I know, I know, OH NO! So many scams stop working when people who never promised anything to anyone stop paying back debts for money they never received. That, in fact, someone else received and nobody even bothers to deny that they never received anything for the debts they are supposedly obligated to pay.

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