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Friday, July 06, 2012

Impeccable and ironic timing

As per Robert Prechter's socionomic principle of the habitually delayed reaction of government to events, it is often a counterintuitive indicator of coming war when the democracies cut their military forces to minimal levels, which is why these British force reductions are somewhat ominous:
n which case Philip Hammond, the Defence Secretary, is taking an enormous gamble when he claims that the 20 per cent reduction in the size of the standing Army will be made up for by a sizeable increase in the number of reservists to 30,000. Ever since the Coalition announced last summer that it was downsizing the Army from around 102,000 to 82,000 as part of its cuts to the MoD budget, senior officers have been struggling to find a way to maintain some semblance of its war-fighting capabilities while reducing this once proud institution to its smallest size since the Duke of Wellington took on Napoleon’s Grande Armée.

Their task has been made all the more difficult by the knowledge that the Government’s decision to shed 20,000 jobs was dictated entirely by budgetary requirements rather than any grand strategic vision for our Armed Forces. For the changes announced by Mr Hammond yesterday are simply designed to cut spending. As most officers know only too well, the demands made on the 100,000-plus Army during a decade of almost continuous combat operations have stretched its resources to breaking point.

Nor is there any reason to believe – despite the Army’s withdrawal from Afghanistan, due to be completed by the end of 2014 – that the next decade will not be as challenging.
It's interesting to see that the British Army is now smaller than it was after the disarmament program that followed the Great War and preceded World War II. There are obvious parallels to "the Geddes Axe" and the 10-Year Rule.

"In the immediate aftermath of the First World War, Britain faced serious economic woes and heavy defence cuts were consequently imposed by the British Government in the early 1920s as part of a reduction in public expenditure known as the "Geddes Axe" after Sir Eric Geddes. The Government introduced the Ten-Year Rule, stating its belief that Britain would not be involved in another major war for 10-years, and was abandoned in 1932."

In the interwar period, the Regulars were reduced to 115,000, supported by a 150,000-strong reserve, the Territorial Army. That compares to today's planned British Army of 82,000 plus 30,000 reservists. It's interesting, is it not, to see how the force minimization tends to correspond to periods of economic weakness. The historical patterns are suggesting that large-scale war is on the horizon, the question is where and with whom?

However, it is the USA that matters most in this regard, and I don't think its forces have been cut quite as drastically yet. So, I suspect we'll need to see similar cuts in the USA, and more economic contraction, before this part of the pattern can be considered complete.

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Anonymous Anonymous July 06, 2012 6:34 AM  

Troop reductions are planned, but haven't been implemented. But the mandatory cuts take effect this coming year and $600 billion has to come from the DOD. Seems like troop cuts are inevitable.

I have also noticed a lot of articles in favor of returning to a military draft in the last year or so. Last scale war guarantees conscription. Sucks to be you if you are nearing 18 in the next 5 or 6 years...

Anonymous CrisisEraDynamo July 06, 2012 6:51 AM  

Ah, an analysis that would do John J. Xenakis proud.

According to him, the coming wars won't just be any old regular war, but a particularly savage "generational crisis war" that will rip the world root from stem.

Anonymous VryeDenker July 06, 2012 6:52 AM  

"Ah, an analysis that would do John J. Xenakis proud.

According to him, the coming wars won't just be any old regular war, but a particularly savage "generational crisis war" that will rip the world root from stem."

It could almost be described as being of "biblical" proportions.

Anonymous Rantor July 06, 2012 6:58 AM  

So the so called Conservative party, pro EU, supportive of Republican/Democratic reforms (you haven't seen them change any of Tony Blair's destruction of the House of Lords have you?) and now wnsuring that Britain is increasingly helpless in the face of external or internal trouble (have you seen how many Islamists live in England today?)

They are allowing the nation to further slip from their grasp. Once the Islamists can elect enough members to Parliament, look out for major change.

The House of Lords, however antiquated an institution, was the only check and balance on the Prime Minister and the House of Commons. Its final gutting ensured that the emergence of a Dictatorship of the Proletariate was likely to come to pass. (Much like the 17th Ammendment destroyed an improtant check on the popular will versus the State's interests - A nail in the coffin of Federalism)

I think the coming crises maybe more internal than external for the UK and many European states.

Anonymous VD July 06, 2012 7:14 AM  

Ah, an analysis that would do John J. Xenakis proud.

Based on the average saeculum length, America's next crisis war should be around 2020. But given our global reach, that comes down to 2017 based on the beginning of the English crisis. In other words, we're already in the target, but not the black.

Anonymous TheExpat July 06, 2012 7:22 AM  

And Prechter is calling for a major C-wave bottom, which means a high likelihood of serious conflict, in or around 2016.

Which, if he is right and things are basically downhill from here through the majority of the next presidential term, means that it will be suicide for the party that wins the presidency and/or control of congress, and the smart people will wait in the wings and position themselves as attractive saviors to take over at the bottom and ride the bounce/up-wave.

Anonymous Rantor July 06, 2012 7:27 AM  

@ The Expat, One of my concerns exactly... although my hope is that a new party arises, some kind of Libertarian group. Unfortunately Prechter's studies indicate we should expect more Socialism/reliance on the State. What we need is for a majority to realize that the two parties have failed, the state is not the answer, etc...

I can always hope.

Anonymous Honesty July 06, 2012 7:42 AM  

Prechter has zero credibility.

Anonymous Feh July 06, 2012 7:52 AM  

The size of the military must logically be driven by threats to the nation. Who and where is Britain's enemy? (And by this I mean an entity capable of threatening the existence of Britain, not a threat to liberal sensibilities like Libya.) There isn't one. Ergo, even an Army of 82,000 is too large.

What Britain really needs is a super-sized border patrol to keep foreign "vibrancy" at bay. Alas, Leftists persist in regarding vibrancy as a good thing rather than a threat to the nation.

Anonymous Salt July 06, 2012 7:53 AM  

(a significant proportion of Britain’s 14,000 active weekend soldiers are female).

That bodes well.

/s

Anonymous scoobius dubious July 06, 2012 8:06 AM  

"The House of Lords... was the only check and balance on the Prime Minister and the House of Commons. Its final gutting ensured that the emergence of a Dictatorship of the Proletariat was likely to come to pass"

Except that it's not a dictatorship of the Proletariat strictly speaking (the "real" UK proletariat vehemently oppose what's going on, but mostly to date they've just fumed in impotent rage), it's a dictatorship of the Alliance of Untermenschen (or Lumpenproletariat, i.e., your old friends the swarms of swarthy resentful immigrants, the more useless and violent and undermining, the more useful to their allies) with the bien-pensant hostile elite, with You Know Who in the vanguard, as usual. Wow, who could have seen that one coming.

The real purpose of pointless lengthy foreign wars for both Britain and the USA is to keep the military permanently occupied in attriting actions overseas, so they won't be able to come home and clean house, where the real trouble is. Like, defending borders and points of entry and that sort of thing.

The rightful peoples of both nations are gradually waking up as to what's being done to them (demographic race-replacement), and YKW and Friends are in an awful hurry to get the whole job finished and done with before the giant awakes from the anaesthesia and takes them to task for their evil. Getting the military out of the way is part of that larger goal: so expect simultaneous troop reductions and ludicrous deployments overseas, the farther away and the sillier the purpose, the better.

The Marxists, having been bested and ruined in every contest because their theory is both evil and insane, have not given up: since the Western proletariat have never rallied to their cause in any numbers, their goal now is to liquidate the (white) proletariat and find a new people, stupid enough and pliable enough to bend to their ridiculous schemes. The whole thing is simply so that this non-productive sociopathic elite can remain in charge. YKW are the same way: they don't really care a fig about ideology, they just want one, and any one will do, that puts them in charge over the hated goyim.

The real purpose of the Left is white genocide.

Anonymous rob_jessel@yahoo.co.uk July 06, 2012 8:23 AM  

Hello there,

Thought I should know that your Conservapedia article has been hijacked. I would change it myself, but I don't have editing rights.

Also, what's with "popoli"? Is there something I'm not getting?

Cheers,

Rob

Anonymous Rob July 06, 2012 8:23 AM  

*let you* know

Anonymous Stilicho July 06, 2012 8:45 AM  

War with China has been inevitable since they entered into the world markets in competition with the West.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler July 06, 2012 8:52 AM  

From a Peter Meyers' newsletter:

Dambisa Moyo, a former investment
banker turned economic writer, has argued in her book Winner Take All
that the world is facing a crisis in the form of a commodity shortage.
According to a recent review in the Guardian:

{http://m.guardian.co.uk/global-development/2012/jun/24/natural-resources-and-development-china?cat=global-development&type=article

Dambisa Moyo: 'The world will be drawn into a war for resources'
The controversial writer and economist on why she believes the economic
rise of China, combined with the west's complacency, leaves us facing a
future of terrifying global instability
Decca Aitkenhead
The Guardian, Sun 24 Jun 2012 20.00 BST}

{quote}
""If Moyo’s calculations are correct, we are in big trouble – which makes
the central premise of her book, Winner Takes All, all the more
arresting. Governments across the world, she writes, have singularly
failed to grasp what’s coming – with one sensational exception. “Simply
put, the Chinese are on a global shopping spree.” State-sponsored
Chinese corporations are busy buying up commodities across Africa, North
America, the Middle East, South America – anywhere they can – in a
concerted strategy to seize control of resources before the rest of the
world wakes up to the looming crisis.""


The war of the future is already being built. Not only is there going to be a "War over Resources", Europeans, thru their complancency and foolishness, are facing existential genocide. America is falling apart.

As I have said over and over now, Life is War. To survive requires that people work together as a group. China certainly is. China is in a sorts Fascist. Their people work together as a whole to accomplish their task. Muslims work together for their faith to win the world.

Europeans? Committing suicide. "Life is War". As Xenophon rightly points out, a teaching of the Spartans, Real Libertarianism is based on men living the agrarian life and learning the Art of War. That is where true Liberty lies.

Economics is War.

Anonymous Koanic July 06, 2012 9:05 AM  

So, I just figured out the Bane - Vox connection.

Obviously both are Sigmas. BUT -

Bane was a melonhead sigma. Vox is a Thal sigma.

The improbability of Vox is that he attained sigma despite being high-IQ thal (should've been delta at best, gamma/omega more likely). The improbability of Bane is that he became sigma despite being high-IQ melon (should've been alpha or beta).

Vox benefited from an extremely lucky (from Thal adaptation standpoint) childhood, Bane suffered from extremely fucked up childhood.

I have only encountered ONE other Melonhead Sigma - Cedonulli

Based on Nate's natural status, I would assume he is Melonhead Alpha.

For an example of a Thal of extremely high intelligence with an "expected" sociosexual rank, see Mencius Moldbug. For an example of classic Thal high-intelligence dysfunction, see Texas Arcane. His clinical IQ is absolutely ridiculous: 183 . See here.

Anonymous VryeDenker July 06, 2012 9:09 AM  

The only thing that will make the majority realise that would be a major catastrophe. Something like a global war.

Anonymous Josh July 06, 2012 9:10 AM  

No, wheeler, economics is not war, because it is the study of voluntary exchange...war is certainly an example of involuntary exchange (japs invading manchuria, russia invading poland, etc)

Anonymous Koanic July 06, 2012 9:11 AM  

Moral of the story:

When you start talking about high-IQ Thal and Melonhead Sigmas, the air gets very rare indeed.

Considering we're selecting tiny minorities of a base population comprising less than 1% of the white public.

Frrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreaks!

Anonymous Josh July 06, 2012 9:22 AM  

Koanic is currently our clubhouse leader for weirdest comment of the day...

Anonymous harry12 July 06, 2012 9:29 AM  

Josh:
Koanic is currently our clubhouse leader for weirdest comment of the day...

+1

Anonymous VD July 06, 2012 9:30 AM  

The size of the military must logically be driven by threats to the nation. Who and where is Britain's enemy?

Same as it always is. France and Germany, AKA the European Union. Better hope they've got explosives in the Chunnel.

Anonymous Josh July 06, 2012 9:36 AM  

Same as it always is. France and Germany, AKA the European Union. Better hope they've got explosives in the Chunnel.

If britain balls up and withdraws from the EU, would the frogs and krauts use military force to try and keep them in?

Anonymous The other skeptic July 06, 2012 9:43 AM  

It probably doesn't matter. With so many criminals in government agencies, few of us are likely to survive

Anonymous The other skeptic July 06, 2012 9:44 AM  


Same as it always is. France and Germany, AKA the European Union. Better hope they've got explosives in the Chunnel.


Such a nice choke point.

Anonymous scoobius dubious July 06, 2012 9:46 AM  

"Bane was a melonhead sigma. Vox is a Thal sigma."

What the #$%& is he babbling about? Is this from one of those crazy-theory books from the 70s that explains all of human reality in five easy steps or something?

"Who and where is Britain's enemy?"

Quite clearly in the Houses of Parliament, I'd say. Right close to home. And in Buckingham Palace. And in the mosques and the madrassahs -- not in Pakistan, you know, but in Greater Pakistan, which is to say, in Britain. And in the banks, and the universities. And in the American banks and universities, too. You know, the usual hangouts for the usual suspects.

Anonymous Koanic July 06, 2012 9:49 AM  

Sometimes intelligence is the ability to see what is right in front of one's face.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler July 06, 2012 9:50 AM  

Josh, you certainly don't know economics at all!

Did not FDR curtail petroleum sales to Japan in order to make it react to America?

Did not Britain from WWI and beyond put a blockade against Germany?

Did not Carnegie use his vast wealth to drive out competitors? Carnegie was a very brutal capitalist. Isn't that how monopolies are formed--to put out one's competitors? Is that not warfare? Economics is based on Competition, is it not? One competes with another? If there is a competition there is a winner and a loser. In games, the loser does not get the crown. In economics, it is much the same way. Economics is War, Josh! The creation and existence of monopolies proves this FACT!

What is it then when you undersell your competitor to drive him out of business?

WAR. War by other means. Countries do this all the time! Japan's government aided Japanese car companies when these companies sold their cars in the US under cost in order to drive American Car companies out of business!

This goes on all the time---everytime!

There is absolutely NO honesty in business! A business man must always be vigilant when his workers seek to embezzle funds or machines. That is War. The news lately is how many people in Michigan are being arrested on embezzlement charges. That is war.

Or how about when a partner attempts to push the other partner out and take over a busines?

That is War.

Just today in the same Peter Meyers newsletter, takes about the Basle Accord set up by the British and American Bankers, on their terms, which was aimed at the Japanese banking system, and caused the Japanese economy to tank!

Economics is War. Always has been, always will be. To put your competitor out of business, to corner the market, to seize a larger share, to seize another business---all is WAR.

Economics is used to manipulate, push, gain an advantage, to cause a war. Etc. All those corporate raidings in the 70s?

WAR. Life is War. Economics more so! And now a War over resources. Resources is a part of economics. To control resources is a part of economics and sometimes that includes War. War to control either by physical force or by manipulation of economic means. Either way, it is war.

Josh, you don't understand Economics at all. Rarely does economics exist in your fantasy world of "science". Economics is hardball preying on other individuals to take their money away from them! It is a nasty, brutish sport.

Anonymous scoobius dubious July 06, 2012 9:54 AM  

"If britain balls up and withdraws from the EU, would the frogs and krauts use military force to try and keep them in?"

[five minutes of laughter]

WHAT military force? WHAT will to use military force?

France/Germany/Britain going to war, in this day and age. Heh.

I'd love to see the contemporary RoE for a fake brawl between the neo-Berbers, the neo-Turks, and the neo-Pakis. All fought by their white dhimmis, of course. Until the neo-mestizos from across the Atlantic intervene for some bogus reason or another. Pfft.

This century is going to be hilarious. But a Samuel Beckett sort of hilarious.

Anonymous scoobius dubious July 06, 2012 10:00 AM  

"War with China has been inevitable since they entered into the world markets..."

*has been* inevitable? I've got news, bub: China has been at war with us for decades already. They just haven't bothered to tell you yet. It's not how they roll.

Anonymous Feh July 06, 2012 10:01 AM  

Same as it always is. France and Germany, AKA the European Union. Better hope they've got explosives in the Chunnel.

Are you kidding me? Neither France nor Germany has the capability or the intent to invade Britain. Germany in particular is completely gutless and debellicized.

And in any event, Britain does not need an army to put a stop to that "threat", just one SSBN on patrol.

Anonymous Josh July 06, 2012 10:02 AM  

Yeah, there doesn't seem like there's enough military men and materiel for a proper war over there...but countries can certainly rearm quickly

Anonymous FUBAR Nation (Ben) July 06, 2012 10:03 AM  

Prechter is like Harry Dent. He gets the overall picture right in due time, but his calls in the interim are horrendous.

Remember Dent's 36,000 dow book anyone? Or Prechter's calling for a big crash in the latter part of 2009?

Anonymous Josh July 06, 2012 10:05 AM  

Britain has nukes, France has nukes, Germany does not.

That matters a great deal.

Blogger Rahul July 06, 2012 10:06 AM  

The Bilderberg group is plotting the next war with the Mullahs.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 06, 2012 10:07 AM  


I'd love to see the contemporary RoE for a fake brawl between the neo-Berbers, the neo-Turks, and the neo-Pakis. All fought by their white dhimmis, of course. Until the neo-mestizos from across the Atlantic intervene for some bogus reason or another. Pfft


They can buy stuff from the Weapons Shops of Cathay. It looks like they will not make the mistake of producing weapons systems that require high IQ operators to operate effectively.

Anonymous Anonymous July 06, 2012 10:08 AM  

So, I just figured out the Bane - Vox connection.

Obviously both are Sigmas. BUT -

Bane was a melonhead sigma. Vox is a Thal sigma.

aba-dee aba-dee aba-dee, that's all folks....

Blogger Astrosmith July 06, 2012 10:10 AM  

To know what Koanic is talking about, go to vault-co.blogspot.com and read Texas Arcane's off-the-wall race theories.

And after reading Bane for a few years before he passed away, Koanic, I believe he was a Thal, not a melonhead.

As for myself, my trouble in finding hats large enough to fit makes me a Thal too.

Anonymous JartStar July 06, 2012 10:33 AM  

Same as it always is. France and Germany, AKA the European Union. Better hope they've got explosives in the Chunnel.

Assuming the war stays conventional the UK can't lose so long as the US is on their side. Even if the US stayed directly out of the war the amount of US shipping materials that would arrive in the UK would keep them in the fight.

And if France or Germany were to attack US merchant fleets, trying a rehash of the failed WWI German policy, they'd pick a fight they couldn't win. They might as well torpedo a Carnival cruise ship of seniors off the Florida coast for good measure.

Anonymous Koanic July 06, 2012 10:39 AM  

Bane a Thal? Ridiculous. No truth obsessive systematizing whatsoever. Allusive storytelling and social dominance, like Nate. Plus Bane was a natural. No analysis of social mechanics like Vox.

"aba-dee aba-dee aba-dee, that's all folks...."

It's hard to take this seriously when the mean IQ in my forum is higher than mine.

Anonymous Stilicho July 06, 2012 10:40 AM  

*has been* inevitable? I've got news, bub: China has been at war with us for decades already. They just haven't bothered to tell you yet. It's not how they roll.

Lighten up, Francis. Read it as "shooting war" if we need to make that distinction. Your larger point is correct, they certainly view it as a conflict/clash of civilizations. Have a scooby snack for good behavior.

Anonymous JartStar July 06, 2012 10:42 AM  

Now that I think about it, the amount of out of work young people in the US, combined with a lack of national pride and tremendous angst about the future tells me that the US psyche might be ready for a large, conventional, “just”, war.

If the EU starts throwing punches at itself I’m sure the US will be eager to join in the “fun”.

Anonymous Daniel July 06, 2012 10:47 AM  

Based on Nate's natural status, I would assume he is Melonhead Alpha.

So, he's secretly a mutated orphan partisan on one side or the other of the Wolverine-Buckeye rivalry?

That makes total sense. Pretending to like SEC football would be the perfect cover.

Blogger thimscool July 06, 2012 10:51 AM  

I love it when Wheeler breaks open a new can of pineal glands to chew on.

War, Josh! WAR!

Anonymous Josh July 06, 2012 10:56 AM  

LIFE IS WAR! EVERYTHING IS WAR!

THIS...

IS...

SPARTA!

Anonymous rycamor July 06, 2012 11:11 AM  

Ah... nothing like Fridays at VP.

Anonymous Clay July 06, 2012 11:25 AM  

Don't France & the UK "share" an aircraft carrier now? I mean, an "almost" carrier? (compared to ours)

Watch out for the the Frogs when it's their "turn"!

Anonymous Koanic July 06, 2012 11:26 AM  

Obsessive crankery is a Thal characteristic, and I take pride in the fact that I've apparently beat Wheeler at his own game - and in fewer words!

His longing for Sparta is just a displaced longing for Neanderthal society, something none of us will ever find amongst the Cro-Magnons.

Incidentally, the permanent collapse of classical Greece was clearly related to lower Neanderthal expression in the darker invaders. Someone who knows more history might pinpoint the particular miscegenations/migrations/conquests.

Anonymous MendoScot July 06, 2012 11:30 AM  

Gratuitous Chuck Norris link.

Anonymous Koanic July 06, 2012 11:32 AM  

"Don't France & the UK "share" an aircraft carrier now? "

That has the potential to generate some delightfully retro-modern naval combat.

Anonymous Poli_Mis July 06, 2012 11:34 AM  

Same as it always is. France and Germany, AKA the European Union. Better hope they've got explosives in the Chunnel.

Vox, is that even necessary? I thought the bloody thing has to shut down due to fire or something about every two weeks.

Anonymous LES July 06, 2012 11:41 AM  

I just recently learned that Roosevelt had ramped up production of military materiel that matched Nazi Germany before Pearl harbor was attacked.

Blogger Rahul July 06, 2012 11:45 AM  

"I just recently learned that Roosevelt had ramped up production of military materiel that matched Nazi Germany before Pearl harbor was attacked."

The U.S. knew that the Japanese would attack. They lined the ships up at Pearl Harbor as a pretext to go to war. The U.S. broke the Japanese naval codes.

Look up the McCollum Memo. I've gotten into nasty arguements with neocons regarding this.

Blogger Astrosmith July 06, 2012 11:52 AM  

http://vault-co.blogspot.com/search?q=melonhead+neanderthal

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler July 06, 2012 12:02 PM  

Josh, when unions find recourse in violence to get what they want, that is war. Does not the transportation unions strike "to force" their demands? Is that not blackmail?

Did George Soros play the money markets when he shorted the Thai bat? Was he not playing the markets for his own self-aggrandizement or was he opening an economic textbook and following the science there altruistically?

Does George Soros do anything altruistically? Did Carnegie?

You make fun of the Spartans, and you all laugh, but their approach to the world is far more wiser than yourse. They approached reality thru hard core objectivism that life is hard, and it is not an even playing field.

Dr. Makow at his site has an article, Liemore, the biggest scam in banking history about the Libor Index put out by the major banks. 350 Trillion rides on the Libor. The tiniest fractions can be billions upon billions of dollars. So what happened at the Libor?

"The LIBOR scandal, called LieMore by a witty commentator, involving the manipulation of LIBOR rates by Barclays Bank..."

Read further into the article and "Whitehall" types influenced people at Barclays to MANIPULATE the Libor index.

Oh, yess, crack open any economic textbook and do you find the word "Manipulate" in there? Did Barclay executives have an economic textbook in hand and applied economic principles scientifically?

Rush Limbaugh called out at the beginning of the Obamanation that Hussein, to him, was trying to crash the system! BHO was trying to crash capitalism. Why? To discredit it! It has nothing to do with economic science! It all has to do with Marxist Ideology of discrediting capitalism and bringing in socialism! He has increased federal payrolls! He has increased federal spending!

Economics is a form of warfare! From blockades, to monopolies, to government spending. Economics is war.

The wisdom of the Spartans was to see all of reality as war---and then prepare for it, to be aware of it, to see it and know it. To be Prepared---is the Boy Scout motto.

From BHO to Soros, to Barclays to BofA, none of these people engage in economics as a science! Economics is engages as a form of warfare. As Vox pointed out in his quotation of Karl Marx in Free Trade---Free Trade, economics, is a Tool of War to get rid of Nations and Nationalism! Free Trade is a tool of deconstruction!

Wow! Does any economic textbook talk about this? Or how about the US military intervention in Central America on the behest of Chiquita Bannana (where we get the term "Banana republics")? Or how about the Opium wars or the Boer war for diamonds? Cecil Rhodes brought in the British military to secure his monopoly.

Right now, the Communist Government of America is conducting War upon the remnants of the WASP population of America. That war is being conducted thru Free Trade and wasteful government spending!

How do you like them apples? Economics is Warfare.

Anonymous Azimus July 06, 2012 12:10 PM  

Wasn't the battleship arms race going on at the same time as this "Geddes Axe" deal? Since UK's... let's say "primary"... force was historically the Royal Navy, what was the corresponding strength of that branch of the British forces? Seems a bit singular to focus on the army.

Anonymous Azimus July 06, 2012 12:14 PM  

I retract my question... it seems that was a politicians arms race... purely plans on paper and budgeting and the like.

Anonymous Josh July 06, 2012 12:15 PM  

You make fun of the Spartans, and you all laugh, but their approach to the world is far more wiser than yourse. They approached reality thru hard core objectivism that life is hard, and it is not an even playing field. 

What's my approach to the world?

And if the spartans were so wise, why did they get conquered?

Anonymous cheddarman July 06, 2012 12:19 PM  

Vox,

How necessary are conventional forces to countries like the U.S. and Brittan, both whom have ample nuclear weapons?

Same for China, India, Russia and France

It seems as if conventional forces are needed mostly for fighting 3rd world countries and domestic insurgencies like Chechnya in the former USSR

India and Pakistan have large conventional forces, but a conflict between those 2 countries would probably go nuclear if one of them were loosing in a conventional conflict

That said, i think the U.S. would rather commit financial suicide than cut back on "defense." The "Cuts" to military spending are only decreases in the projected increases.

It is interesting to me that we are cutting troop levels while buying worthless weapons systems like the F-35 lightning and F-22 Raptor. seems as if the military industrial complex is calling the shots, rather than rational defense needs...then of course, that has been the case since WW 2 or before.

Anonymous Vidad July 06, 2012 12:21 PM  

@Josh

Because they were weakened by white man's firewater. Duh.

Anonymous Clay July 06, 2012 12:22 PM  

And...did you just have to bring up the Boy Scouts?

Anonymous Josh July 06, 2012 12:22 PM  

No, we need those weapons systems because they create jobs!

Anonymous Stilicho July 06, 2012 12:33 PM  

Wasn't the battleship arms race going on at the same time as this "Geddes Axe" deal? Since UK's... let's say "primary"... force was historically the Royal Navy, what was the corresponding strength of that branch of the British forces? Seems a bit singular to focus on the army.

Yep. But the nations of the West and the Empire of Japan negotiated treaties limiting the number and size of battleships (giving birth to the "pocket battleship" as a way around the treaties). The Brits felt that this gave them room to limit military spending. The Japanese felt that this gave them time to build their navy (in violation of the treaties) to a size that could take on the Western powers in Asia.

Blogger Markku July 06, 2012 12:38 PM  

How necessary are conventional forces to countries like the U.S. and Brittan, both whom have ample nuclear weapons?

An invader might calculate that the country is not going to nuke itself, so any ground lost to fallout in their own country would be made up for easily taken land from the enemy, if it has very little conventional forces.

Anonymous Josh July 06, 2012 12:48 PM  

I'm a O65-C30-E74-A44-N7 Big Five!!

Big five personality test, be interesting to see what the ilk are like

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey July 06, 2012 12:58 PM  

Civil war, in Britain and Europe as well as the US.

Blogger thimscool July 06, 2012 1:20 PM  

What's my approach to the world?

Obviously, Josh, you are insufficiently bellicose and you naively assume that trade and economics can happen without "the gun in the room"... in short you are a free trade libertarian.

Wheeler spelled all this out for you, didn't you read it? He's not beating that drum for nothing, you know.

Also... aren't you Jewish?

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler July 06, 2012 1:22 PM  

I see that Vox is reading Karl Popper's, Open Societies and its Enemies. The first chapter after the intro is on Heraclitus. Popper paraphrases Heraclitus such:

“For he declares that strife or war is the dynamic as well as the creative principle of all change, and especially of all differences between men. And being a typical historicist, he accepts the judgement of history as a moral one; for he holds that the outcome of war is always just: ‘War is the father and the king of all things. It proves some to be gods and others to be mere men, turning these into slaves and the former into masters ... One must know that war is universal, and that justice—the lawsuit—is strife, and that all things develop through strife and by necessity.’”

War is the Father and King of all things. "All things" includes economics. Economics is a tool of war as much as militaries are tools of economics. Julius Caesar, in counterdistinction to the laws of his days, went on a 5 year pillaging and terror campaign of the Gauls to loot them.

Why? So he could come back to Rome and finance the rebellion against the Senate and set himself up as king of Rome using the underclass as his power base. He was a very shrewd man.

Strife in all things. Heraclitus considered the law suit in the law courts as "War". So is economics.

Liberty exists on the back of the Warrior. If you are into liberty and Freedom, it is not in libertarian ideology/sophistry where you find it. You find liberty/freedom in boot camp, in training throughout early life in physical fitness, (the Boy Scouts) and in military knowledge and battlefield skills. That is where liberty exists, partially. The other exists in Wisdom. The third in Group. Only as a group, can you fight war--to maintain liberty.

Liberty is secondary. The first thing is "Life is War". On top of that, are all things, in this world, is based. The Spartans understood that perfectly and Clinias the Cretan, at the beginning of Plato's Laws warns not to dismiss or forget that injuction. You are on a fool's quest for the fountain of youf if you don't understand that first reality.

And don't forget that right now, Obama, as the Marxist he is, is ALSO shrinking the military! They are also ending battalions here in America! Obama is set to finish off America like Bill Clinton who sold satelite technology to the Chinese and let them buy super computers!

How are Americans, and the FFofA, idiots! War is coming---always comes! And Britain and America are shrinking their military.

Blogger thimscool July 06, 2012 1:26 PM  

Wheeler, are you a scout master?

Anonymous Heh July 06, 2012 1:48 PM  

"Don't France & the UK "share" an aircraft carrier now? "

On Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and alternate Sundays, the French use it...

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler July 06, 2012 1:58 PM  

No, I'm an Eagle Scout. I recognize late in life that many of things I am today was made in the Boy Scouts. Furthermore, I believe Lord Baden-Powell was influenced partly by the Agoge of the Spartans.

Just one example. In the Boy Scouts, what most would consider inconsequential and of little use, is the skill of tracking and of plant identification. These two things, that I practiced, have sharpened my eyes and mentally to "Observe". In plant identification, one has to observe differences and the tiniest of differences do matter. There are some 20 different species of oak. How do you tell the difference?

One of the beginning steps of Wisdom, is the power of observation. That has to be inculcated, trained. How many people have that training today? In tracking, one must search out clues and notice the tiniest of things. That is very important training that most dismiss.

The Boy Scout movement, if you read Scout books from the 1950s, was this "Training boys to be men". No boy knows what it means to be a man. "To be a Man", unlike a woman, has to be trained into a boy. I believe that the Boy Scouts is the best organization/insitution for that. It needs perfection and a return to basics and fundamentals. (Right now, like everything else it is being compromised by liberals in the organization.)

Anonymous The Anti-Gnostic July 06, 2012 2:14 PM  

Civil war, in Britain and Europe as well as the US.

Correct. The current system is devoted to maintaining the established order of incoherent, artificial nation-states filled with people who bitterly resent each other.

The Western democracies are heavily reliant on their--strike that, the US's--central armed forces to maintain this order. When these armies realize their pensions are up in smoke, they will leave the bases and head home with as much materiel as they can steal.

Hopefully, like the Afrikaner government, the remaining actual men in SAC disable the nukes before some crazed feminist colonel decides to blow it all to hell.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler July 06, 2012 3:08 PM  

Air Force is shutting down its Music Bands

It is mo' better to subsidize metzisos and all their babies, white women with their mulattoes, than to continue to have European culture! More Important according to the Hussein in Chief.

It is a dark day in Heaven when the United States of America, that once powerful nation that defeated two enemies on opposite sides of the earth and then put a man on the moon to be ruled by a "Hussein". This has got to be the most scandalous in History. A man that is called "Hussein" assumed the Cherry Blossom Throne. What a slap in the face of the WASPs--as it was intended to do!

How disgustful!

Anonymous Josh July 06, 2012 3:11 PM  

So a spartan, who reveres a society in which there was a formalized system of buggering little boys, wants to increase the boy scouts, which provide amble opportunity for those seeking to bugger boys to find victims...

Are we sure wheeler isn't sandusky?

Anonymous Josh July 06, 2012 3:16 PM  

Wheeler, who gives a fuck whether our tax dollars are wasted on useless military bands that serve no purpose other than to reinforce the worship of the state and its leaders?

Blogger Nate July 06, 2012 3:19 PM  

"It is a dark day in Heaven when the United States of America, that once powerful nation that defeated two enemies on opposite sides of the earth and then put a man on the moon to be ruled by a "Hussein"."


We need a "Shit Wheeler Says" section of the blog.. dedicated as a monument to the ever expanding capacity of The Great Stupid.

Anonymous Josh July 06, 2012 3:36 PM  

He's on the mount rushmore of tarding for sure

Anonymous Azimus July 06, 2012 3:36 PM  

The Anti-Gnostic July 06, 2012 2:14 PM

The Western democracies are heavily reliant on their--strike that, the US's--central armed forces to maintain this order. When these armies realize their pensions are up in smoke, they will leave the bases and head home with as much materiel as they can steal.


It is literally uncountable... the number of historic examples that refute this statement. Soldiers walking because they haven't been paid on time? What is this, the Thirty Years War? No even the African dictators figured out that you keep paying the elite 10% of the armed forces to keep the other 90% dancing to the music. There will be desertions, of course, but nothing like what you're implying, especially after they catch and quickly execute a couple.

Anonymous Mr. Nightstick July 06, 2012 4:36 PM  

For the US to fight a war, we need a villain to fight if we are gonna win. We only win against villains.

Anonymous ENthePeasant July 06, 2012 4:40 PM  

It doesn't necessarily mean Nation state war, but it certainly means local chaos that may well expand into war. The real lesson here is that sinking economies always mean a reduction in the armed forces... and then social spending, which leads to chaos by the worst elements of a society who come to believe they are owed. I don't post many comments here any longer. I'm always saying the same things over and over... and since I've said everything I believe at least four or five times I hesitate. But with all the new people here perhaps it won't be so boring... If anything this is a situation very close to WWII. Technologically we are at the same point the Brits were in after the Boer Wars. We have it, (the great unwashed) they don't, so we've not changed our strategy, tactics and techniques under the assumption that drones, missiles, over the horizon attack aircraft, satellites, instant world wide communications, and much more, don't apply to us. This always leaves the big heads with the idea that they can rely on what's successful against Arabs. It's a western disease of which the cure is always facing an equal. Who that will be I have no idea. The bottom line is the chances for war/conflict are high at this time period, regardless of the size/organization of Western militaries.

A couple of questions to Az: name five examples of the Brits shrinking their military that didn't lead to war? If executing people is the answer how come we didn't defeat the Vietnamese and "uncountable" other examples? I would suggest you're letting your own fears explain the motives of others?

Anonymous Azimus July 06, 2012 5:27 PM  

ENthePeasant July 06, 2012 4:40 PM
A couple of questions to Az: name five examples of the Brits shrinking their military that didn't lead to war? If executing people is the answer how come we didn't defeat the Vietnamese and "uncountable" other examples? I would suggest you're letting your own fears explain the motives of others?


Hi EN -

I assume I'm "Az". While I would love to provide you with five (why five?) examples, this is not something there's a Wikipedia article to peruse, but how about the end of Operation Banner, and the withdrawl of British Troops from the Northwest Territories pursuant to the Jay Treaty? In both cases the British reduced their number of troops, and it didn't/hasn't led to war.

As for the 2nd comment, why we didn't defeat the Vietnamese. As far as I can tell, you have misunderstood me. My point was that soldiers don't desert en masse simply because they haven't been paid. The reference to the Thirty Years War, probably the last international war fought predominantly with soldiers of fortune, was the last instance I can think of where not paying the army was a big concern. Modern nations have perfected methods of keeping soldiers on duty, not the least common of which is fear (that is, execution). In Napoleon's time, soldiers' pay in the Grand Armee was in arrears by years. The American Revolutionary Regular, as well as Confederate troops, were "paid" using worthless, or near-worthless currency, when even that was available. In most of today's warzones there's nothing to spend money on anyway, so it means precious little to the fighting men. Ergo, his statement on mass walkoffs in the military for lack of pay was repeatedly refuted by history.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler July 06, 2012 5:34 PM  

And Nate, by your comments, you approve and applaud a Black in leadership over you?

When the Bible commands the Hebrews not to have foreigners over them, where do you get defensive? If you're a bible thumper, where is your reasoning?

Second, Aristotle passes on a Greek proverb, "Tis meet that Greek rule barbarian". "meet" is another word for "righteous". It is abnormal and dysfunctional that a Black rule over Europeans. But that is a sign of the dysfunctionality, and abnormality of America. Nate, you love what is unrighteous?

It is a disgrace of the WASP that a black man rules his country! No wonder. You will become dhimmis of the brown horde.

America delenda est!

Anonymous Azimus July 06, 2012 5:35 PM  

ENthePeasant
I would suggest you're letting your own fears explain the motives of others?


I am not sure what you think I fear from my original statement?

Anonymous ENthePeasant July 06, 2012 6:04 PM  

I'm saying that shooting people doesn't make them fight or stay. A cause does, as in the case of the Grand Armee and the confederacy. It's tricky business to start shooting soldiers for not being paid. You might well be giving them a cause.

Blogger JohnG July 06, 2012 7:09 PM  

Oh good, the Brits are now officially unable to field a single brigade. Well in theory they could, but they whine immensely about the cost of the whopping 8k people they deploy. Note that we had to let them have bombs to use on Khadaffi.

I think if I were Vladimir, I'd be licking my chops on the idea of reacquiring Poland and the Czech republic - they've rebuilt since 90. Not one country would lift a finger.

Blogger Nate July 06, 2012 10:35 PM  

"And Nate, by your comments, you approve and applaud a Black in leadership over you?"

You're a blithering idiot Wheeler.

I do not consent to be governed by the federal institution located in Washington DC. It has nothing to do with the color of the man sitting in the oval office.

The fact that I don't accept 5 dollar bills should give you a clue as to why.

Anonymous But why? July 06, 2012 10:40 PM  

"I think if I were Vladimir, I'd be licking my chops on the idea of reacquiring Poland and the Czech republic"

What would he do with them? Why would he want them? They weren't exactly a source of profit for Russia from 1945-89.

Anonymous Anonymous July 07, 2012 4:50 AM  

China is digging up all the resources in Aus. Previously they used Aus workers. Now they are importing their own workers and growing their own food to feed them and paying barely anything in royalities. In short, Aus has been colonised by the Chinese, and our government let it happen. The minute someone starts to try and bring the Chinese to heel expect them to move their military in to 'protect' their interests. I just hope the US still honours the ANZUS treaty, which Howard used as a pretext to go to Afghanistan.

China is also building hundreds of miles of tunnels deep under their own mountains, which some believe are fallout shelters for a nuclear war.



@ Josh "Yeah, there doesn't seem like there's enough military men and materiel for a proper war over there...but countries can certainly rearm quickly"

Not in Western countries, but China has all the weapons and personnel it needs. By the time the West realises its at war China will have won.




@ Josh (again): "Britain has nukes, France has nukes, Germany does not." Germany will not be the agressor, except in a leave me alone sort of way. The rest of europe will turn on Germany as their economy continues strong and the war will be to seize their resources. France and Britain won't nuke what they want.



@ Rahul: "The Bilderberg group is plotting the next war with the Mullahs." - Right after they finish their war against white people. With America circling the drain its a year or two out.




I expect attempts at appeasement first anyway, where the West bends over and lets China keep hoarding all the resources of the world and the West gets nothing but a repreive for a few more years.

As nations go to war, expect civil war within countries as well, both from organised insurgents (Chinese immigrants) and disorganised bastards (muslims immigrants), combined with a rebellion against the government by the majority of the population who refuse to fight in the wars and refuse to be drafted, taxed etc any more.

Basically, the Bildeberg group planned the destruction of the West and were going to implement their NWO, but didn't see the rise of China, who are going to get in the middle and fuck things up. So, the governments (who are lackeys of the Bildeberg group) are not only going to be fighting the citizens of each country in order to get them into line but they are going to be fighting off China.

- Breeze

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic July 07, 2012 9:01 AM  

Azimus - yes, ideology is a big motivator. But get rid of the bennies and tell me how many actual trigger-pullers will fight and die so strangers can have the right to gay marriage, abortion and transfer payments.

When the US's increasingly Hispanic army starts pilfering rifles and ammo, who's going to stop them? The by-then lesbian Secretary of Defense?

Military men are careerists like everybody else. If you're hardcore, where would you rather work: the gay, female pageant the US military is becoming, or getting paid six figures by Xe to be an international badass?

Anonymous Gx1080 July 08, 2012 6:38 PM  

Dunno. Basic logic says that cutting military forces sends a signal of weakness, specially if it's for paying off an underclass...that may just sell their host for the right to rule the land in the name of the invaders.

That's a cause for war, not a synthom.

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