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Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Natural enemies

Louis CK observes that feminists and comedians are natural enemies. And he also demonstrates on The Daily Show that whereas backing down and apologizing is neither funny nor courageous, kicking fascistic feminists demanding male subservience to female sensibilities in the teeth can be a bit of both.

LCK: For me, any joke about anything bad is great. Any joke about rape, the Holocaust, the Mets, whatever -- any joke about something bad is a positive thing.

JS: You have now crossed the line, mister!

LCK: I've read some blogs during this whole thing that has enlightened me with things I don't know. This woman said something how rape polices women's lives, they have a narrow corridor, they can't go out late, they can't go to certain neighborhoods, they can't dress a certain way, because they might -- that's stuff I didn't know. And it's a part of me now in a way that it wasn't before and I can still enjoy a good rape joke....

Here is the last thing I want to say about it. This is also about men and women. Because a lot of people are trading blogs and stuff about this with each other. Couples are fighting about Daniel Tosh and rape jokes. But they're both making a classic gender mistake. The women are saying here's how I feel about this. But they're also saying my feelings should be everyone's primary concern. Now the men are also making this mistake, they're saying your feelings don't matter, your feelings are wrong, your feelings are stupid. If you've ever lived with a woman, you can't step in shit worse than that, than telling a woman her feelings don't matter. So, to the men I say listen, listen to what the women are saying about this. To the women I say now that we've heard you, shut the fuck up for a minute and let's all get back together and kill the Jews. That's all I have to say about it.

JS: Send your complaints to Brian Williams, care of NBC....

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60 Comments:

Anonymous Mr. Nightstick July 18, 2012 10:05 AM  

The thing that impresses me most about you Vox is your incredibly strong stomach.

Anonymous Richardthughes July 18, 2012 10:09 AM  

Death touches us all, and yet we can joke about it.

Anonymous stg58 July 18, 2012 10:09 AM  

Incredibly man like stomach.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box July 18, 2012 10:13 AM  

That was fkn AWESOME!

Anonymous Stickwick July 18, 2012 10:15 AM  

This woman said something how rape polices women's lives, they have a narrow corridor, they can't go out late, they can't go to certain neighborhoods, they can't dress a certain way, because they might -- that's stuff I didn't know.

Rape polices our lives? I never give a thought to it. All of that stuff he listed is just Common Sense 101.

I don't see why rape should be a taboo subject when it comes to jokes. The whole point of humor -- which feminists obviously miss -- is that it plays on misery and discomfort. (Didn't C. S. Lewis explain this? I can't remember.)

Anonymous Toby Temple July 18, 2012 10:18 AM  

To the women I say now that we've heard you, shut the fuck up for a minute and let's all get back together and kill the Jews. That's all I have to say about it.

I loled hard!

Anonymous dh July 18, 2012 10:20 AM  

> Rape polices our lives? I never give a thought to it. All of that stuff he
> listed is just Common Sense 101.

Right, and my response to that is "so what". The strong will take what they want from the weak, when they want it. I am in the bottom 50% of men for ability to fight off an attacker. Therefore there is a huge swatch of my city where I will not go in certain circumstances.

Does that mean violence polices my life? YES.

And the answer is so what.

Anonymous Josh July 18, 2012 10:22 AM  

To all women who live in fear of rape:

Either get a gun, or shut up about it.

Anonymous Spectator July 18, 2012 10:35 AM  

The first time I had that discussion with my current girlfriend, in which she said rape is never funny, I simply responded "I don't know, have you ever raped a clown before?" I find one way or the other this comment will end the debate one way or the other.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 18, 2012 10:36 AM  

This whole controversy was manufactured anyway. I'm glad to see Louis CK have some real fun with the whole thing.

I wonder if it will come up in a future episode of his show...

Anonymous Jimmy July 18, 2012 10:40 AM  

Commedians should joke about anything, but it was a long time since I've been to a comedy club. They substituted jokes for profanity and vulgarity, and they largely laid off of partisan jokes that reflect negatively on Democrats and Liberals especially Obama (he isn't funny as I'm told). Comedy is as PC as they are Liberally slanted. That's why comedians shot themselves in the foot by putting their foot into their mouths. Self-censorship is a problem that they fail to acknowledge.

Go ahead and do the rape jokes, but they have much further to go if they really care about their profession.

Anonymous lol July 18, 2012 10:45 AM  

There is nothing funny about rape, except forcing sexual intercourse upon another person. Rape is a natural part of human life and civilization. It is a logical outcome of the war between the sexes and the war over who will seed the next generation.

Anonymous JartStar July 18, 2012 10:48 AM  

Tosh called out his detractors recently by pointing out that he jokes about things far worse than rape.

Blogger IncorrectlyRight July 18, 2012 10:51 AM  

To all women who live in fear of rape:

Either get a gun, or shut up about it.


Or get an anti-rape condom. But that's not even distributed or civil.
A quasi-feminist on Facebook told me that women are allowed use anti-rape condom the same way that storekeepers should boobytrap items when someone steals them. lol

Blogger SarahsDaughter July 18, 2012 10:54 AM  

I can't go where I want to go and do what I want to do either. Gravity polices that.

Anonymous Houston July 18, 2012 10:58 AM  

It's almost as if women and comedy are natural enemies. Watching an old MST3K * episode last night, I could only shake my head at Mary Jo Pehl's unfunny eye-rolling, shouting, and grimacing. Bitchiness per se is not humorous. IIRC, Vox claimed this is due to a general female inability to grasp and exploit irony.

* Mystery Science Theater 3000

Anonymous Rantor July 18, 2012 11:03 AM  

But humor need not be crude or disgusting. For whatever reason, I went to you tube to watch some Jonathan Winters recently. Much of what I saw was hilarious, first-rate comedy. Comedy that can bring you to tears.

SO while comedians can joke about anything, there is no need to go the profane route.

Anonymous re allow anonymous comments July 18, 2012 11:16 AM  

Even Steve Sailer wouldn't allow that to be said on his blog

Anonymous Stickwick July 18, 2012 11:19 AM  

Watching an old MST3K * episode last night, I could only shake my head at Mary Jo Pehl's unfunny eye-rolling, shouting, and grimacing.

To be fair, most of the host segments on MST3K are pretty lame. BTW, which episode were you watching? (I've got "Riding with Death" playing on YouTube as we speak.)

Anonymous alexamenos July 18, 2012 11:27 AM  

Rape East Congo Style -- not all that funny.

Feminist Rape Hysteria -- just freaking hilarious.

(Is it true that men don't irrationally fear getting mugged in the way that feminists fear getting raped because men don't secretly harbour dark and lurid mugging fantasies?)

Anonymous Bathazaar The Thermian July 18, 2012 11:29 AM  

Thanks for the laugh!

Anonymous patrick kelly July 18, 2012 11:29 AM  

Oh, I sometimes have dark, lurid mugging fantasies, but they involve multiple blood soaked mugger carcasses littering the street.

Anonymous Houston July 18, 2012 11:35 AM  

The comedy bar is set pretty low in the host segments, but Joel Hodgson (with his deadpan style) was better than Pehl on her best day. Prof. Bobo doing the Matlock shtick in the "Agent for H.A.R.M." episode was brilliant. The episode I'm referring to is "Invasion of the Neptune Men". Pretty good riffing in that one.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 18, 2012 12:32 PM  

Forgive me in advance...I heard a hilarious rape joke in Charlotte - but I cannot repeat it.

Blogger WATYF July 18, 2012 12:46 PM  

Rape polices our lives??

You know what else polices our lives? Gravity. If it weren't for stupid, evil, raciss gravity, I would be able to jump off tall buildings without any consequences. I would be able to flap my wings and fly around like a birdie. How DARE gravity keep me from doing whatever I wanna do!!!


WATYF

Blogger WATYF July 18, 2012 12:47 PM  

haha... dang it... someone already beat me to the punch. :^D

WATYF

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 18, 2012 12:57 PM  

How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb?

That's not funny!

Anonymous E. PERLINE July 18, 2012 1:05 PM  

You're a lot better-looking and a lot more civilized than that guy in the past, the guy you knew who devastated women. How come he had power over them that you could never understand? I'm going to answer that question for free, though it took me a lifetime to learn.

First of all, most women need a father. They hope their boyfriend will become the father figure they never had. But all men are conditioned by their mother. The chance for them to learn how to be father instead of some woman's extra baby, is almost non-existent.

Here's how to recognize, and perhaps emulate one of the rare and mysterious specimens: A real man always conveys the impression that he could guide a woman through life effortlessly, yet--although he adores women--he really doesn't need them.

That's it.

Blogger Ghost July 18, 2012 1:05 PM  

It's not rape if you yell "Surprise!"

Anonymous paradox July 18, 2012 1:37 PM  

I do not find Louis C K funny, more repulsed by the man than anything. However, that was pretty damn funny.

Anonymous Stickwick July 18, 2012 1:38 PM  

The comedy bar is set pretty low in the host segments, but Joel Hodgson (with his deadpan style) was better than Pehl on her best day.

True. And, the segments in "Pod People" and "Cave Dwellers" were actually kinda sorta funny.

Anonymous Gx1080 July 18, 2012 1:52 PM  

Man, that Louis CK guy is funny. Steward was about to piss his panties.

Also, if women are so worried about getting raped, you know, they can get a gun. If Fenimists actually cared about individual women instead of wanting to create a totalitarian state, they would be 100% against gun control laws. But then they wouldn't be the good little Marxists that they are.

Blogger Buckeye Copperhead July 18, 2012 1:57 PM  

"Qualifications?"
"Rape, murder, arson, and rape."
"You said rape twice."
"I like rape."

(courtesy of Blazing Saddles)

Anonymous Vidad July 18, 2012 2:06 PM  

@Stickwick

Come on... host segments "pretty lame?" There was a lot of brilliance there. The stupidity gives it that extra something.

My wife would agree with you and Houston on Pehl. She doesn't like her and found Dr. Forrester to be much funnier.

I'm more generous. I found Pehl funny on occasion. Dr. Forrester was perhaps a touch better. I found Mike to be my favorite host, however. I realize that breaks with much of nerddom, but his stupid smile and upbeat personality cracked me up. The writing got to be darn good in some of the later episodes.

Anonymous Stickwick July 18, 2012 2:14 PM  

Vidad,

I FF through most of the host segments -- they're just a bit too silly for me. Aside from the aforementioned segments in the Joel episodes, the only host segment I found truly funny was the bit in "Space Mutiny" with the 'bots installing railings all over the ship. Okay, and Servo's Canada song in "The Final Sacrifice" was kinda funny, too.

Mike is my favorite host, too. Speaking of which, the Rifftrax gang is beaming its version of "Manos: The Hands of Fate" into theaters next month.

Anonymous notsbakker July 18, 2012 2:19 PM  

"Qualifications?"
"Rape, murder, arson, and rape."
"You said rape twice."
"I like rape."

(courtesy of Blazing Saddles)


Classic.

My favorite one:
Oh, you're a feminist?
That's so cute!

Anonymous George July 18, 2012 2:40 PM  

Louis CK had nothing to back down from in the first place. Regarding the Tosh controversy, he made the point of saying that he never supported or agreed with Tosh's rape jokes. He didn't even know about them when he tweeted a virtual thumbs up to Tosh, which got him in trouble with some because they thought he was endorsing Tosh's rape jokes.

Anonymous Darth_Toolpodicus July 18, 2012 2:43 PM  

"Oh, I sometimes have dark, lurid mugging fantasies, but they involve multiple blood soaked mugger carcasses littering the street."

beat me to the punch!

"Conan! What is best in Life?!?"

"To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the Lamentations of the Women!"

Anonymous FP July 18, 2012 3:18 PM  

I'll care about women's feelings about rape jokes when Sharon Osbourne gets the same amount of flack as Tosh when she makes fun of a man having his wang cut off by his wife and tossed into the garbage disposal. Wench couldn't even get through her apology without laughing. Lefties had no problem defending her.

LouisCK isn't usually funny IMHO.

Roissy weighs in on Tosh Scandal

Anonymous michael maier at work July 18, 2012 3:31 PM  

patrick kelly July 18, 2012 11:29 AM
"Oh, I sometimes have dark, lurid mugging fantasies, but they involve multiple blood soaked mugger carcasses littering the street."

Classic. Thank you.

Anonymous Luke July 18, 2012 4:05 PM  

Old rape joke:

Confucious say rape is impossible; woman can run faster with dress up, than man with pants down.

Rest of the Conan saying, as I've heard it:

"...and to take a man's wife while he watches".

Anonymous bob k. mando July 18, 2012 4:37 PM  

no, "lamentation of their women" is the full Conan quote. what you're quoting is supposedly from Genghis Khan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PQ6335puOc



notsbakker July 18, 2012 2:19 PM
My favorite one:
Oh, you're a feminist?
That's so cute!



except feminism isn't funny OR cute.

men. why you always gotta be lying to women?

Anonymous bob k. mando July 18, 2012 5:11 PM  

some things that ARE funny:
Sully Erna is only 5' - 5". this explains a certain man crush that gets displayed around here every so often.

you remember a couple of blog posts back when Vox was tantruming because the world at large wasn't paying enough attention to his SSS ( Silly Sigma Snowflake ) opinions? ya, i've got a solution:
https://ws.elance.com/file/ROMAN-BLOGGING-INFOGRAPHIC.jpg?crypted=Y3R4JTNEcG9ydGZvbGlvJTI2ZmlkJTNEMjgyMjEwMTclMjZyaWQlM0QtMSUyNnBpZCUzRDIxMTg4MTU=


cogent current commentary on the Penn State saga:
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17t7ur2g6afl1jpg/original.jpg

Anonymous scoobius dubious July 18, 2012 5:26 PM  

So, is today like The He-Man Woman-Haters Club Day around here or something?

The argument against rape jokes I think has less to do with whether they offend someone personally or hurt their feelings or whatever, and more to do with not wishing to help trivialize a crime which has often not been taken as seriously as it ought to be. Lots of cultures, and lots of legal systems, have taken a cavalier attitude towards rape in the past; the feminists fought hard to draw glaring red lines around the subject, and forced people (through shaming and humorlessness etc) to grant the matter a certain gravity that it didn't always have.

Granted if you applied this logic to every pet cause that every group has a problem with, we'd all soon be unable to even talk at all, much less tell jokes. So it's an argument subject to legitimate criticism. But life is full of nooks and crannies, and I'd be willing to simply grant the feminists their taboo in this instance, if in return they'd back away from some of their sillier positions. In a more serious-minded world, people would also stop making cavalier jokes about male-on-male prison rape, a subject of utter horror and an ongoing human-rights atrocity in this country, and take the matter seriously enough to put a stop to it. Think of what people are snickering at, when they snicker about that.

But like I say, you can't draw red lines around everything, so I admit all those counter-arguments have substance.

Anonymous DD July 18, 2012 5:52 PM  

If it weren't for stupid, evil, raciss gravity,

you forgot sexiss. how dare you. everyone knows that gravity is sexiss.

Anonymous Noah B. July 18, 2012 6:09 PM  

"How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb?"

Alternative punchline:

Only one. She just holds the light bulb and waits to the world to revolve around her. (As I originally heard the joke, it was "Mac programmers" instead of feminists, but it really works both ways.)

Anonymous scoobius dubious July 18, 2012 6:50 PM  

Q. How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb?
A. That depends. Is your praxis of "change" grounded in a Marxian hermeneutics, or a post-Kristeva conceptualizaion of gender-performing dynamics? Keeping in mind that the act of "changing a light bulb" is structured like a language.

Anonymous MendoScot July 18, 2012 7:43 PM  

It's sad. Billy Connolly used to be able to do this stone cold, after years in Hollywood he has to be drunk. The first time my PB, Glasgow coal town father heard his Crucifixion, he laughed 'til he cried.

Anonymous Days of Broken Arrows July 18, 2012 8:34 PM  

Rape is never funny unless it's women making prison rape jokes about men, which they do all the time. Then we're "allowed" to laugh.

Also, regarding women living in fear of rape -- everyone lives in fear of violence. Men don't wantonly go out late at night without watching their back.

Anonymous zen0 July 18, 2012 9:08 PM  

scoobius dubious July 18, 2012 5:26 PM

So, is today like The He-Man Woman-Haters Club Day around here or something?

The argument against rape jokes I think has less to do with whether they offend someone personally or hurt their feelings or whatever, and more to do with not wishing to help trivialize a crime which has often not been taken as seriously as it ought to be. Lots of cultures, and lots of legal systems, have taken a cavalier attitude towards rape in the past; the feminists fought hard to draw glaring red lines around the subject, and forced people (through shaming and humorlessness etc) to grant the matter a certain gravity that it didn't always have.

Granted if you applied this logic to every pet cause that every group has a problem with, we'd all soon be unable to even talk at all, much less tell jokes. So it's an argument subject to legitimate criticism. But life is full of nooks and crannies, and I'd be willing to simply grant the feminists their taboo in this instance, if in return they'd back away from some of their sillier positions. In a more serious-minded world, people would also stop making cavalier jokes about male-on-male prison rape, a subject of utter horror and an ongoing human-rights atrocity in this country, and take the matter seriously enough to put a stop to it. Think of what people are snickering at, when they snicker about that.

But like I say, you can't draw red lines around everything, so I admit all those counter-arguments have substance.


I'm sorry, this is the COMEDY thread. Your attempt at irrelevant meandering musings just aren't funny.

Maybe you could join some support group like blatherers anonymous. They would be obliged to put up with stuff like that, and thank you for it.

Anonymous Cat McClusky July 18, 2012 9:09 PM  

For the comedian who is even remotely interested in maintaining or acuiring a career in the field, there are a number of subjects that are absolutely taboo to joke about.

Islam (or any religion except Christianity)
Homosexuality
Atheism
Leftist Political Philosophy
If your white you cannot rif on any ethnic group but your own and possibly Asian.
ProChoice
Uhh,.... Let's see. How about Che Guevara? John Lennon? The late, great, No-Limit-Nigga?

Any comedian that conspicuously avoids these topics may be funny but they are hardly the scathing iconoclasts they may like to be perceived as.

Any comedian that thinks that mocking Jesus, Christianity, or Christians is courageous or too-cool-for-school is actually rather pathetic.

Anonymous Spectator July 18, 2012 10:38 PM  

Ditto to whoever mentioned Billy Connolly, but it's amazing his commments because "controversial" while bill hicks and joe rogan have just verbally fisted hecklers without any remorse and nobody seemed to say boo. Really all everybody needs to do is just ignore these idiots making something out of nothing and let it be forgotten. Honestly it's what most hecklers deserve. Most comedians i've seen will give a loud audience member at least a chance to shut up if they are just talking and being rude, but if they are trying to call them out and purposely heckling then it's in the Comic's code to just take them down as hard as possible, otherwise the rest of the crowd could take their lead. It's like the equivalent of the Drum Major trying to pick a fight with the linebacker, and challenging him in front of his peers. He is going to demolish them fast to send a message. In this case it's somebody in the crowd (often drunk) making the mistake of trying to win over a professional comedian who has years of experience cracking jokes at other people's expense, and a microphone. What happens after may be ugly, but it's necessary

http://youtu.be/2PdKpR9qNtg The Bill Hicks Classic

http://youtu.be/IU_3b2_33vI Joe Rogan shows perfect crowd control

http://youtu.be/A8QxTezQz18 and demanding a feminist heckler shows tits

Anonymous bw July 19, 2012 1:01 AM  

Any joke about rape, the Holocaust, the Mets...and let's all get back together and kill the Jews

Awesome.

And telling your woman that feelings "don't matter" and are very deceptive ("the heart, who can know it..") is EXACTLY what needs to be done. Of course, pointing out that you recognize that the standard is the same for YOU is helpful.

Anonymous III July 19, 2012 2:15 AM  

Rape the rapist back, have an orgasm... then feel guilty about it.

Anonymous Luke July 19, 2012 3:32 AM  

Scoobius, try this one on for size: feminism is one of the key dangers to America and the West today, ahead of Islam, perhaps even ahead of Peak Oil and bad government. Humor is a great way to damage feminism's public image and drive prominent feminists into appearing (revealing their true nature) absolutely batshit insane to those who don't yet grasp what they are. If the odd genuine (as opposed to "I didn't climax when we did it/after our date, he didn't call me, so I wuz RAAAAPPEDDD!!!!!") rape victim gets a case of transient hurt feelings, that's a small thing compared to the fate of the West, as much at risk as it was at Platea.

That explained, I hope genuine (as opposed to that from feminazi/libtard/halfway-to-homo types) reservations about the subject of this thread will cease to be seen here.

Kind of related:

how does a lesbian feminist tell if her girlfriend is likely cheating on her? She starts shaving her legs more often than twice a year.

How do you tell which one is the bride at a lesbian wedding?
She's the one whose underarm hair is braided.

What do you have when you have 50 lesbians and 50 post office workers?
100 people who don't do dick.

Blogger IM2L844 July 19, 2012 8:03 AM  

I know I harp on this a lot, but it really is the heart of the matter.

Feminism is just a single facet of the multifaceted culture war being waged against Christendom and, more generally, western civilization as we know it.

While feminists are the enemy and deserve no quarter, they, along with many other groups we occasionally focus on around here, will continue to persist in winning the war in the court of public opinion until we drive a steak through the heart of moral relativism.

See: Is Anything Really Right or Wrong?

As for offensive material from comedians in a comedy club, pfffft! As my grandmother use to say: "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen". The easily offended don't have a bitching leg to stand on when they intentionally put themselves in a situation where it is known to be likely they will encounter something that offends their sensibilities. Simple!

Sorry, zen0, I wasn't feeling particularly funny or clever this morning.

Blogger IM2L844 July 19, 2012 8:06 AM  

Stake not steak! I guess that was a little funny.

Anonymous Noah B. July 19, 2012 11:53 AM  

'And telling your woman that feelings "don't matter" and are very deceptive ("the heart, who can know it..") is EXACTLY what needs to be done.'

Yes, but it is probably wise not to say it that way. Tell a woman bluntly that her feelings don't matter, and chances are, she will immediately get angry and stop listening. Tell her that feeling safe isn't the same thing as being safe. Tell her that if she wants to feel safe and actually be safe, she needs to take responsibility for her own well-being and self-defense.

Anonymous Daniel July 19, 2012 12:31 PM  

My favorite part is when CK says, "Because stereotypically speaking, feminists can't take a joke..." and some women start booing, proving his point and he turns to them and says, "See?"

Anonymous Grinder July 19, 2012 12:37 PM  

It's not the rape joke that is funny so much as how offensive it is to many people. The way their faces change expression is comedy gold.

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