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Monday, July 30, 2012

Road Warrior, California-style

VDH continues to chronicle the decline and fall of the Golden State:
Sometimes, and in some places, in California I think we have nearly descended into Miller’s dark vision — especially the juxtaposition of occasional high technology with premodern notions of law and security. The state deficit is at $16 billion. Stockton went bankrupt; Fresno is rumored to be next. Unemployment stays over 10% and in the Central Valley is more like 15%. Seven out of the last eleven new Californians went on Medicaid, which is about broke. A third of the nation’s welfare recipients are in California. In many areas, 40% of Central Valley high school students do not graduate — and do not work, if the latest crisis in finding $10 an hour agricultural workers is any indication. And so on.

Our culprit out here was not the Bomb (and remember, Hiroshima looks a lot better today than does Detroit, despite the inverse in 1945). The condition is instead brought on by a perfect storm of events that have shred the veneer of sophisticated civilization. Add up the causes. One was the destruction of the California rural middle class. Manufacturing jobs, small family farms, and new businesses disappeared due to globalization, high taxes, and new regulations. A pyramidal society followed of a few absentee land barons and corporate grandees, and a mass of those on entitlements or working for government or employed at low-skilled service jobs. The guy with a viable 60 acres of almonds ceased to exist.

Illegal immigration did its share. No society can successfully absorb some 6-7 million illegal aliens, in less than two decades, the vast majority without English, legality, or education from the poorer provinces of Mexico, the arrivals subsidized by state entitlements while sending billions in remittances back to Mexico — all in a politicized climate where dissent is demonized as racism. This state of affairs is especially true when the host has given up on assimilation, integration, the melting pot, and basic requirements of lawful citizenship.
I find it amazing that even still, those who are generally cognizant of the dangers of immigration still cling to the notion that there is any meaningful difference between legal and illegal immigration. I note that a simple amnesty would render all that illegal immigration legal at a single stroke; would VDH or any other legal immigration supporter genuinely imagine that legalization would make all the problems he observes go away?

To be clear, I am not intrinsically opposed to all immigration in all circumstances. But history indicates that once a single immigrant population exceeds around 1-2 percent of the total population, they begin to present a long-term societal problem.

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78 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous July 30, 2012 11:29 AM  

As a long-time resident of Fresno, California, let me assure you Fresno is not about to go bankrupt like Stockton. Our level-headed mayor and city council are working together to make the changes needed. Fresno is home to all the good, decent people in the Golden State.

Anonymous Jimmy July 30, 2012 11:29 AM  

The true reason for the city bankruptcy is the public union salaries, pensions, and retirement benefits. A city can easily cut services to everyone including illegal aliens, but they can not cut union benefits, which are codified by law. Bankruptcy is the only solution.

Anonymous Starbuck July 30, 2012 11:36 AM  

All this is of course the fault of the baby boomers.

I should be executed at once. Come get me...

Anonymous David July 30, 2012 11:38 AM  

Unfortunately Governor Jerry Brown has his Keynesian head all set on two massive public works projects to "rescue" the state 1930s style. A bullet train from SF to LA, starting in Central Valley and massive canals to pipe water from North to South California.

The fool has no clue this will drive his state to bankruptcy even faster. And he actually believes the economy will recover and he will reap the benefits of that his second term. All this has been mentioned in news article out here in the last week.

Anonymous JartStar July 30, 2012 11:40 AM  

I read the entire thing and I can say only one thing: Move!

Nobody cares about his private fight for his property and will mourn his noble death, or the death of vast portions of California. All one can do now is move away from the coming storm.

Anonymous zen0 July 30, 2012 11:50 AM  

Fresno is home to all the good, decent people in the Golden State. @ anon

That be you, Holla?

Anonymous Mike M. July 30, 2012 12:11 PM  

The problem is, California will drag the rest of the country down when it falls.

What's needed is a Federal state bankruptcy law that specifically requires the dissolution of the state and the proscription of all current and former elected officials.

The state no longer exists, the star comes off the flag, the President appoints a Territorial Governor. All the elected officials are proscribed, and may never hold ANY office, vote, or make political contributions again. AFTER the debts are paid off, Congress may consider the readmission of some or all of a Territory to the United States.

Sensible nations don't allow the Proven Irresponsible vote.

Anonymous PC Geek July 30, 2012 12:11 PM  

@JartStar

All one can do now is move away from the coming storm.


Good point - the only thing one can do in the face of such madness is to run the hell away...but where do you go? Which states are safer/saner and actually stand a chance of maintaining basic civilization in the years to come?

OT: Whatever happened to Hypergamouse? I haven't seen an update in quite a while.

Anonymous Gx1080 July 30, 2012 12:15 PM  

Heheh. Commiefornia got what it deserved.

May the gated communities off all the "progressives" get sacked for all their worth. Specially the scum at Hollywood.

Anonymous Matt July 30, 2012 12:16 PM  

would VDH or any other legal immigration supporter genuinely imagine that legalization would make all the problems he observes go away?

He is not yet strident about it, but he and at least a few other mainstream conservative writers are starting to dip their toes into the "mass legal immigration is not necessarily the crowning glory of civilization" waters. VDH, Steyn, Instapundit, Coulter, and so on have all made some tentative steps in that direction.

The rank-and-file is probably ahead of them. There's a reason National Review closed comments when they sacked Derb.

Anonymous Angel July 30, 2012 12:17 PM  

I know I am late to the party on this, but between the 70 billion we just promised to Israel to build and maintain their rockets and the massive amount of US money that flows into Mexico....how are we a sovereign country at all?

Being awake kind of sucks.

Anonymous Angel July 30, 2012 12:19 PM  

@ Mike M.

I don't see why we don't simply sell the states? Kind of like how you sell a foreclosed home. Someone out there has got the money and they can buy a lot of land and a lot of people at fire sale prices.

Anonymous Noah B. July 30, 2012 12:22 PM  

This sounds terrible, however, VDH may have stumbled upon a solution with the striking confirmation of Keynesian theory found in the modern-day contrast between Detroit and Hiroshima. Clearly the answer is for the government to nuke California to stimulate economic growth.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 30, 2012 12:23 PM  

Being awake kind of sucks.

That's why I've been playing a lot of Skyrim. At least the politics there make sense with both sides having good arguments and bad aspects. In reality, it is just all evil.

Anonymous RedJack July 30, 2012 12:28 PM  

VDH is tied to the old family homestead, but he at least realizes that home he remembered died a long time agon.

Time to leave. Much like parts of the Southwest, you are no longer in the USA, but Northern Mexico. Leave before you loose your head. Burn the land before you go.

Anonymous Cheddarman July 30, 2012 12:35 PM  

It is interesting, in a dark sort of way, how California is slowly but surely loosing the ability to maintain a complex society.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus July 30, 2012 12:36 PM  

The only question is, who're going to be the guys wearing the leather and riding the jetbikes, and who're going to be the guys running through the field with a sweater but no pants?

Anonymous HardReturn¶ July 30, 2012 12:38 PM  

cue the DK "California Über Alles" earworm...
What about expulsion? No more federal money and representation for CA until certain goals achieved. Or at least double secret probation.

Anonymous TLM July 30, 2012 12:39 PM  

....A coarsening of popular culture — a nationwide phenomenon — was intensified, as it always is, in California. The internet, video games, and modern pop culture translated into a generation of youth that did not know the value of hard work or a weekend hike in the Sierra. They didn’t learn how to open a good history book or poem, much less acquire even basic skills such as mowing the law or hammering a nail. But California’s Generation X did know that they were “somebody” whom teachers and officials dared not reprimand, punish, prosecute, or otherwise pass judgment on for their anti-social behavior.........

This old "democrat" boomer has been writing and bitching about his lot in life for a few years now. Nothing more than sour grapes and a refusal to take any responsibility for his or his party's actions these past 4 decades. Yeah Vic, those violent 80's video games like Starcastle & Tempest are at fault. It had nothing to do with the your generations "sexual" liberation, abortion (the boomers crowning achievement), and pilfering of the public treasuries for your own gain. Reading that article reminded me of Hannibal Lecter verbally chastising Jodie Foster on her heritage & upbringing, but refusing to use those perceptive powers on himself.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 30, 2012 12:40 PM  

It is interesting, in a dark sort of way, how California is slowly but surely loosing the ability to maintain a complex society.

What is even more interesting is how nobody seems to know why. I mean, most libertarian and a few conservative bloggers know, but nobody in the mainstream press seems to understand.

You have a whole state that has devoted itself to building the progressive Utopia, and while the State government managed to avoid mass murder, the end result was the same as the Soviet Union. And we have two Presidential candidates, along with a slew of Congress folks, who want to do the same damned thing.

Meanwhile, the rest of us are stuck on pop news, celebrity gossip, and prime time television.

MPAI

Anonymous JartStar July 30, 2012 12:50 PM  

Good point - the only thing one can do in the face of such madness is to run the hell away...but where do you go? Which states are safer/saner and actually stand a chance of maintaining basic civilization in the years to come?

Parts of the Mid-West and the South. Remember when the city of Rome was sacked, Visigoth Spain carried on for centuries much the same as before and was not a bad place to live.

OT: Whatever happened to Hypergamouse? I haven't seen an update in quite a while.

Vox suspended it for the time being.

Blogger Jamie-R July 30, 2012 12:51 PM  

The key is to convert them away from failed culture and towards the knowledge of Christ. I don't live there it's not my problem. America has always had challenges put in front of it.

Anonymous Stilicho July 30, 2012 12:52 PM  

Good point - the only thing one can do in the face of such madness is to run the hell away...but where do you go? Which states are safer/saner and actually stand a chance of maintaining basic civilization in the years to come?

That's a conversation we need to have around these parts, but no one seems to have any definitive ideas as to where the best places are. The Southeast would be optimal in many ways, but for the large vibrant population. The northern mountain states (ID, MT, WY) appear to be viable options, but you'll have to plan on being a pioneer of sorts.

Blogger Aurini July 30, 2012 12:56 PM  

We've been running for a long time. Rhodesia, South Africa, the dying downtowns of our cities... we're fast running out of places to run to.

Anonymous Sojourner July 30, 2012 1:09 PM  

I agree all that has been shown above and in the comments is indicative of a coming societal failure and yet, as Christians, our answer remains the same: If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways,then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14

Somehow I think we're too prone to bitching and laughing at places like California and failing to realize this whole country is pretty much there. California's fall will simply be the horn to announce that rest of the USA is to follow. It's easy to run I admit, and often look to that possibility myself, but it doesn't take away my responsibility as one who is called by God to pray for this state and this nation. God says himself He will heal the land if the believers submit themselves to Him, so it goes to show, we've been doing a TERRIBLE job at it.

Blogger Aviator4 July 30, 2012 1:28 PM  

I predict that by 2015, when California's debt has reached a point in which there is no chance it can possibly ever be repaid along with an even lower bond rating and greater deficits, they'll plead to the federal gov. for a bailout. Basically, they'll essentially demand that the other 49 states, including all the states that have been responsible with their budgets and are actually operating in the black (Virginia, Indiana, Wyoming, etc.) to pay for their many years of union beholden, reckless spending so they can continue on with their pollyanna ways. Illinois will then follow right behind them.

Blogger papabear July 30, 2012 2:02 PM  

"What's needed is a Federal state bankruptcy law that specifically requires the dissolution of the state and the proscription of all current and former elected officials.

The state no longer exists, the star comes off the flag, the President appoints a Territorial Governor. All the elected officials are proscribed, and may never hold ANY office, vote, or make political contributions again. AFTER the debts are paid off, Congress may consider the readmission of some or all of a Territory to the United States."

Sounds unconstitutional.

Anonymous Roundtine July 30, 2012 2:02 PM  

That's a conversation we need to have around these parts, but no one seems to have any definitive ideas as to where the best places are. The Southeast would be optimal in many ways, but for the large vibrant population. The northern mountain states (ID, MT, WY) appear to be viable options, but you'll have to plan on being a pioneer of sorts.

Those are good choices. Also, three few would think of here: ME, NH and VT. ID has more favorable politics, but those three have more favorable demographics if you're doing a replacement strategy. If you're willing to put up with the hippies, VT has the most lax gun laws in America.

Anonymous Gx1080 July 30, 2012 2:03 PM  

@TLM

Hmm, that escaped me for a moment. Boomer's cognitive dissonance is so prevalent that it gets imperceptible.

That guy seems to be the kind of liberal that will keep voting for the policies that led Commiefornia to ruin wherever he goes.

Anonymous Roundtine July 30, 2012 2:06 PM  

To wit, I came across this: According to John Tucker of the Peace and Justice Center in Burlington, Vt., African-Americans find it hard to live in the states. Tucker said the small number of people with the same background combined with a lack of job opportunities and cultural offerings keep minority populations away.It's the snow.

Anonymous Anonymous July 30, 2012 2:09 PM  

"those who are generally cognizant of the dangers of immigration still cling to the notion that there is any meaningful difference between legal and illegal immigration"


I would venture to say that most illegal immigrants don't stand a chance of meeting the requirements for legal immigration, which is precisely why they come in illegally. Your statement would only make sense if you were of the leftist persuasion, i.e. that all people are of equal worth.

-Robard.

Anonymous scoobius dubious July 30, 2012 2:20 PM  

Eh, nothing a few well-placed neutron bombs wouldn't fix.

We still have a few of those lying around, right?

Anonymous FP July 30, 2012 2:25 PM  

Mike: "The problem is, California will drag the rest of the country down when it falls.

What's needed is a Federal state bankruptcy law that specifically requires the dissolution of the state and the proscription of all current and former elected officials.

The state no longer exists, the star comes off the flag, the President appoints a Territorial Governor. All the elected officials are proscribed, and may never hold ANY office, vote, or make political contributions again. AFTER the debts are paid off, Congress may consider the readmission of some or all of a Territory to the United States.

Sensible nations don't allow the Proven Irresponsible vote."

This is sarcasm, right?

Anonymous sww July 30, 2012 2:38 PM  

"I find it amazing that even still, those who are generally cognizant of the dangers of immigration still cling to the notion that there is any meaningful difference between legal and illegal immigration."

Perhaps it is based on the notion that legal immigration would be so limited by the ineptness of government bureaucracy as to make it a effectively a non-issue.

Anonymous Stilicho July 30, 2012 3:16 PM  

Those are good choices. Also, three few would think of here: ME, NH and VT. ID has more favorable politics, but those three have more favorable demographics if you're doing a replacement strategy. If you're willing to put up with the hippies, VT has the most lax gun laws in America.

Except that I despise New England.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus July 30, 2012 3:19 PM  

"If you're willing to put up with the hippies, VT has the most lax gun laws in America."

The hippies can be made to move.

Anonymous Josh July 30, 2012 3:29 PM  

Why do you retards think that the south is going to have problems because of the number of blacks? We have less black on white violence because people self segregate and the populace is well armed. As a hunting guide in mississippi told a friend of mine:

"our niggers aren't like your niggers. our niggers behave."

Anonymous cannibal_animal July 30, 2012 3:40 PM  

I'm okay with the bankruptcy plan, with one additional measure. All those above the age of 18 at the time of bankruptcy are forbidden to move elsewhere until the debt is paid. The kids that didn't make the debt don't have to pay for the sins of their fathers (or more accurately, their mothers) but the rats should not be permitted to flee to other states and ruin them as well. If all of California has to become a ghetto for the light to be seen, so be it. Apologies to the Ilk caught on the ship as it sinks, but containment must be a priority.

Anonymous Clay July 30, 2012 3:51 PM  

Josh July 30, 2012 3:29 PM

As a hunting guide in mississippi told a friend of mine:

"our niggers aren't like your niggers. our niggers behave."


He was right, too. They stay in their places; we stay in ours.

Anonymous Ain July 30, 2012 3:54 PM  

California has been destroyed by politicians, certain public employee unions, and unlimited immigration. The state is so gerrymandered that even with an legislature approval rating of 8%, only a few seats were changed. It can't be stopped. Politicians have ruined this state, just as they are ruining the rest of the country. The USA is done.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch July 30, 2012 4:55 PM  

Only the Catholic Church will be able to rebuild civilization. The good clergy needs to kick out and excommunicate the bad.

Hungary looks like a hopeful country. Russia's Putin looks to be turning his country into a good direction, and his stance on Syria looks good.

Blogger Beefy Levinson July 30, 2012 5:06 PM  

The Catholic Church is one of the biggest cheerleaders for the unlimited immigration that has destroyed California.

Anonymous stats79 July 30, 2012 5:17 PM  

Beefy Levinson July 30, 2012 5:06 PM
The Catholic Church is one of the biggest cheerleaders for the unlimited immigration that has destroyed California.


Of course let's not forget which tribe lobbied most strongly and potently for open immigration.

Anonymous fish July 30, 2012 5:30 PM  

The Catholic Church is one of the biggest cheerleaders for the unlimited immigration that has destroyed California.

Liberation theology baby~!

Blogger Laramie Hirsch July 30, 2012 5:32 PM  

"The Catholic Church is one of the biggest cheerleaders for the unlimited immigration that has destroyed California."

Actually, I believe you are referring to the liberal Catholics who are Catholic in name only, yet care nothing about the Christian Tradition they supposedly claim. For example, I present Nancy Pelosi.

Just as America is full of cancer, so, too, is the Catholic Church. But I assure you, there is a difference between the two institutions.

Blogger Nate July 30, 2012 5:46 PM  

"He was right, too. They stay in their places; we stay in ours."

You can't expect people who've never lived in the deep south to understand this stuff. It really has to be seen to be appreciated.

Anonymous cheddarman July 30, 2012 5:57 PM  

"I predict that by 2015, when California's debt has reached a point in which there is no chance it can possibly ever be repaid along with an even lower bond rating and greater deficits, they'll plead to the federal gov. for a bailout." - Aviator4

IMO, as states that have practiced socialism like California and Illinois go bankrupt and seek bailouts, the productive states will eventually say "go to hell." It will take time, and i would expect the parasite states to get bailouts at first.

we will see a parallel with the bailouts of Greece in the EU. The Germans were willing to pony up cash, and the bankers thought they could keep it all together. Eventually, however, the parasite states will be forced out of the EU or USA, or the productive states will start leaving.

We have already lived through a nearly forgotten parallel in modern history. As the former Soviet Union could no longer pay the bills, or maintain a reasonable standard of living for the masses, slavic and non-slavic peoples who had been part of the imperial Russia Empire and the USSR went their own way (Slavic Eastern Europe, Georgia, Uzbekistan, Khazakstan, Turkmenistan, etc). The U.S. helped pry some of these countries out of the hands of Russia,with the "colored" revolutions, and moved NATO into former Russian colonies such as Poland. The Russian communist ruling class had to let the empire go, there was no way they could have crushed the breakaway states and survived. It will be the same with America. The ruling elites wont be able to control their 3rd world imported mobs. The mobs will want to be ruled by their own, not white Ivy league graduates.

The next great powers to be, China, India, whom ever, may have an interest in breaking up the US as its internal weaknesses become apparent to the world, just as the US did to its rival, the USSR.

Anonymous Curlytop July 30, 2012 5:59 PM  

Nate: "You can't expect people who've never lived in the deep south to understand this stuff. It really has to be seen to be appreciated."

Amen, brother.

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 30, 2012 6:00 PM  

Much of the misery and collapse can be readily ascribed to what Paul Kersey has termed "weaponized equality" and the relish at which the ruling Babylonian vampire-squids and their legions of willing accomplices have been willing to deploy it. Another factor is the willingness of those targeted by this doomsday device to accept its lying premises and to gladly dig their own graves as they sing praises to the Mocha Messiah.

Blogger rcocean July 30, 2012 6:17 PM  

Come visit California, like I do every year, and follow its politics and you'll see how utterly worthless "Libertarians" and neo-cons are. Demographics are destiny. You want to let in 20 million poor/uneducated Mexicans its gonna effect your politics and your economy. But they'd rather put their hands over their ears and chant "those damn unions" or "if only we had lower taxes".

Blogger JohnG July 30, 2012 6:19 PM  

On the duty to pray for the nation...I don't think the old man is letting 200+ million people off the hook. All these things must come to pass as somebody said...

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 30, 2012 6:23 PM  

Cheddarman remarks:

IMO, as states that have practiced socialism like California and Illinois go bankrupt and seek bailouts, the productive states will eventually say "go to hell." It will take time, and i would expect the parasite states to get bailouts at first.

As long as the beast situated in Sodom-on-Potomac remains in place, it will continue to serve as the blood-funnel of its vampire-squid owners to suck every bit of wealth from the productive. Those states who want to tell Illinois and California to go to hell will be unable to do so as the beast has no intention of letting them get away. The entire system exists to serve the squids. The legions of low-level zombie-parasites who populate places like the two hellhole states mentioned are there to carry out the looting - both directly and indirectly - on behalf of their masters. VDH still doesn't get it.

Anonymous Curlytop July 30, 2012 6:52 PM  

Gen. Kong: "The entire system exists to serve the squids. The legions of low-level zombie-parasites who populate places like the two hellhole states mentioned are there to carry out the looting - both directly and indirectly - on behalf of their masters.

Astute observation as always.
Don't forget those who reside outside those two states, yet still vote for the same Thing 1 and Thing 2 options. Most states in this "union" are merely a few paces behind Illinois or Cali.
Had a convo today with a relative over the matter of Messiah/Mittens option. Agreed that both are mirrors, yet still wasn't quite ready to let go against the dogma of jack-ass vs rino mentality. The US political paradigm is one hell of an illusion to break.

Anonymous Luke July 30, 2012 7:10 PM  

About the blacks in the Deep South "behaving", "knowing their place", etc.: that would seem repudiated by the recent sacking of a Wal-Mart in Jacksonville, FL by >300 homies, with few direct repercussions to the perps, legal or otherwise.

Blogger Joshua_D July 30, 2012 7:20 PM  

Luke, let me correct you here: Florida is not in the South. I mean, I could understand how people can get to thinking that North Carolina isn't in the South. I find myself thinking the same thing, lately. But Florida? It might as well be New York, with a bunch of Cubans.

Blogger Unknown July 30, 2012 7:26 PM  

Back in 1986 Congress proposed the Simpson-Mazolli immigration law, intended to amnesty some illegal aliens - those who were in the US for at least 6 years and continuously working - and provide necessary enforcement measures so that we could finally get the illegal immigrant problem under control. As first proposed, this law had lots of teeth, real sanctions for those who violated the law, both those who hired illegals and the illegals themselves. Additionally, the law only amnestied about 300,000 illegal workers. A decent compromise. Well, at the very last minute, at the behest of California growers, Senator Pete Wilson (R-CA) inserted measures that basically nullified enforcement mechanisms, placed the burden on the US government to prove that a petitioning alien didn't qualify for the amnesty and opened up the amnesty to any person who could "demonstrate" that they worked in agriculture for at least 90 days during the previous several years. As a result, instead of having an enforceable immigration law that awarded amnesty to a certain definable number the American people were stabbed in the back by Pete Wilson and his agricultural backers (Republican to a man) who left us with an immigration law that was very difficult to enforce and additionally encouraged over 4 million people to fraudulently and successfully petition for amnesty. As late as the late 1990s, immigrants were arriving daily who were successfully petitioning for amnesty under the 1986 law. For all I know there are still open cases of immigrants petitioning under the 1986 law.

Since 1986 I have known that the US government has no intention of ever enforcing immigration law as promised to the people. This applies to Republican as well as Democrat governments.

I bet that Hanson, was one of these CA growers who demanded of Pete Wilson at the time that the immigration law be changed simply to suit his labor preferences. As Vox pointed out, all we need to do is have another amnesty and our immigration problem is solved because, after all, it is only the fact that the immigrants are illegal that is the problem. Right?

Blogger rcocean July 30, 2012 7:38 PM  

Don't get too mad at Pete Wilson, he later led the charge on Prop 187 while Bob Dole, Jack Kemp, and Bill "the one armed bandit" Bennett publicly called him a racist. Later, he came to Washington DC and argued against Jorge Bush's Amnesty. In the 80s - when I lived full time in Sacramento - Wilson was regarded as a bland moderate Repub. Today, he couldn't get elected dog catcher - too "Right-wing".

Blogger A July 30, 2012 8:09 PM  

I think Catholics openly encourage Latin and South American immigration because those areas are predominantly Catholic. It's a win-win for Catholics to see the last vestiges of Protestantism disappear no matter how much of a hell-hole the country becomes afterwards for regular folk.

Blogger Unknown July 30, 2012 8:53 PM  

>>> Don't get too mad at Pete Wilson....

No, get mad at Pete Wilson, very mad. I have had enough of Republicans who spend that next phase of their life making feeble amends for the enormous damage that they wrought when they had the power. Yeah, I can imagine that someday even Bush, McCain.....will make an about face on immigration. Too late. We don't need them.

Pete Wilson caused great damage to this country. Nothing he does or has done since can compensate for this damage.

Blogger Beefy Levinson July 30, 2012 9:23 PM  

"I think Catholics openly encourage Latin and South American immigration because those areas are predominantly Catholic. It's a win-win for Catholics to see the last vestiges of Protestantism disappear no matter how much of a hell-hole the country becomes afterwards for regular folk."

Catholics who are insulated from vibrant communities do tend to have that romantic view of Mexican Catholicism, i.e. the Cristeros, little statues of Our Lady of Guadalupe on every fire place, mamas and papas churning out five or six children, abuelas dressed all in black weeping in the back pews, and so on.

A lot of those things still exist to be sure, but the Church in Mexico has been bleeding membership for decades. There's an old joke that illustrates it: When the Church opted for the poor, the poor opted for the Pentecostals. There are a few Catholics, especially in the hierarchy, who believe their own propaganda about traditional Catholic Mexican families. Once they arrive in the US they tend to assimilate into the worst characteristics of black American society: crime, drugs, illegitimacy, and gang violence. One reason why the Church in America is losing so much money even though the Catholic population keeps going up is that Mexican peasants don't and often can't donate as much as the Anglos.

Protestantism doesn't need any Catholic help in disappearing. It's been committing suicide for generations.

Blogger Nate July 30, 2012 9:57 PM  

"About the blacks in the Deep South "behaving", "knowing their place", etc.: that would seem repudiated by the recent sacking of a Wal-Mart in Jacksonville, FL by >300 homies, with few direct repercussions to the perps, legal or otherwise."

haven't looked into it. I would wager that the wal-mart was a black wal-mart in black part of town... and thus... no one really gives a damn.

Anonymous 11B July 30, 2012 10:17 PM  

Pat Buchanan and VDH are a nice one-two combination. Buchanan writes about the big picture and what is going to happen as whites become a minority. And Hansen documents precisely what Buchanan predicts in his daily depictions of the Central Valley.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 30, 2012 10:53 PM  

Don't worry, there is a committee who will save the world

I guess they think they are designing a camel.

Anonymous cherub's revenge July 30, 2012 11:59 PM  

About the blacks in the Deep South "behaving", "knowing their place", etc.: that would seem repudiated by the recent sacking of a Wal-Mart in Jacksonville, FL by >300 homies, with few direct repercussions to the perps, legal or otherwise.

I would think a bigger repudiation would be the ceding of the entire cities of Jackson, Birmingham, Memphis and whole counties in Georgia to Blacks and that certainly wasn't the case in 1960.

Blacks' "place" in the South is exactly that as the North: wherever they can gain a beachhead and Whites flee.

Anonymous O.C. July 31, 2012 1:01 AM  

Well, unless I'm mistaken, the U.S. acquired California from Mexico via the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

Can't we just say, "Oops, sorry, our mistake" and give it back?

Anonymous 11B July 31, 2012 2:12 AM  

Well, unless I'm mistaken, the U.S. acquired California from Mexico via the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

Can't we just say, "Oops, sorry, our mistake" and give it back?


I'd rather deprive the Mexicans of the freebies and other benefits and get them to leave. The US has put a whole lot of infrastructure into California and there is no way I'd give it back to a nation that stole it in the first place and did absolutely nothing to develop it during the short time they possessed it.

Blogger Andrew Cordeaux July 31, 2012 2:15 AM  

I just love that Jerry Brown is governor again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW8UlY8eXCk

Anonymous Ain July 31, 2012 4:43 AM  

"Actually, I believe you are referring to the liberal Catholics who are Catholic in name only, yet care nothing about the Christian Tradition they supposedly claim. For example, I present Nancy Pelosi."

The Catholic church has a vested interest in keeping immigration unlimited. They would be dead without the immigrants, legal or otherwise. This is the first time I've seen someone claim otherwise.

Anonymous Ain July 31, 2012 5:05 AM  

Catholic tattoos are *immensely* popular with the gang bangers.

Anonymous FrankNorman July 31, 2012 5:19 AM  

I'd rather deprive the Mexicans of the freebies and other benefits and get them to leave. The US has put a whole lot of infrastructure into California and there is no way I'd give it back to a nation that stole it in the first place and did absolutely nothing to develop it during the short time they possessed it.

How long would any of that "infrastructure" last?

Anonymous RedJack July 31, 2012 7:31 AM  

"Catholic in name only" is a nice cop out.

They claim to be Catholic, use the lable Catholic as a way to get votes and support, and make up a good portion of the bishops.

Every time I see that phrase, I know that the poster is a traditional Catholic who has chosen to ignore the status of the Catholic Church in the new world. It is a Marxist front!

My bride is a Catholic, and we went to a parish a few weeks ago where the priest sang the praises of open borders and socialized medicine. Never mind that some bishops are screaming about it.

There are at least two Catholic churches in the USA, and a schism is going to happen. The only question is when.

Anonymous Shutterbug July 31, 2012 7:48 AM  

"Good point - the only thing one can do in the face of such madness is to run the hell away...but where do you go? Which states are safer/saner and actually stand a chance of maintaining basic civilization in the years to come?

Parts of the Mid-West and the South. Remember when the city of Rome was sacked, Visigoth Spain carried on for centuries much the same as before and was not a bad place to live."

If you leave California, you're required to leave your Californicatin' ways behind and vote libertarian. You won't be allowed to infest our neck of the woods with your statism.

Anonymous Clay July 31, 2012 8:47 AM  

" Luke July 30, 2012 7:10 PM About the blacks in the Deep South "behaving", "knowing their place", etc.: that would seem repudiated by the recent sacking of a Wal-Mart in Jacksonville, FL by >300 homies, with few direct repercussions to the perps, legal or otherwise."

Luke, guess what State's Capitol was the only one the Yankees didn't even try to capture in The War Of Northern Agression?

Yep, that would be Tallahassee. Those people didn't even give enough of a crap about Florida. Didn't count as the "Deep South" to them, I suppose, either.

Anonymous Stilicho July 31, 2012 9:10 AM  

"He was right, too. They stay in their places; we stay in ours."

You can't expect people who've never lived in the deep south to understand this stuff. It really has to be seen to be appreciated.


I have lived there. There is some truth to this line of thought, but the danger is in the normalcy bias of those who blithely assume that the status quo will not change. When the dole ends, expect unrest. The degree of violence and the exact form may vary by location, but there will be such unrest. The important question is how will it be dealt with? The answer to that determines whether a particular area is suitable for living.

Anonymous Clay July 31, 2012 9:11 AM  

OK....maybe they "tried", but not too damn hard. They sent the third-string in, got their butts kicked, and game over.

Anonymous Stilicho July 31, 2012 9:17 AM  

Catholics who are insulated from vibrant communities do tend to have that romantic view of Mexican Catholicism, i.e. the Cristeros, little statues of Our Lady of Guadalupe on every fire place, mamas and papas churning out five or six children, abuelas dressed all in black weeping in the back pews, and so on.

Go to the Boston suburbs and drive around neighborhoods where the most common lawn decoration is Bathtub Mary or Jesus on the half-shell. You'll find those types among the older Italian, Portugese, and Irish immigrants. The politics of those areas are decidedly socialist. That's a product of the countries of origin and the social/political teachings of the RCC. It's a deangerous combination as far a liberty is concerned.

Anonymous Anonymous July 31, 2012 9:30 AM  

The old saying is probably true: "As California goes, so goes the Nation".

Once the election is over, and President Obama wins, Ca declares bankruptcy, and the WH gives them a bailout. IL immediately follows suit.

(I'd say the odds of Governor Romney winning are 1 to 12.)

kevino

Anonymous Luke July 31, 2012 12:05 PM  

For anyone who is demographicology-challenged to the point that they believe there is a future for whites in the Deep South, I strongly suggest looking over the chapter covering pages 83 - 94 in Thomas Chittum's prescient "Civil War Two":

http://www.resist.com/CWII.pdf

There are plenty of easy-to-read maps there showing likely future over the next couple of decades for specific parts of the U.S. Note that Chittum predicted 2020 for the open military phase to have clearly commenced.

Alabama/NW Florida: page 85
Tennessee: page 87
Mississippi: page 88
Georgia: page 90
Texas: page 93
NM/CA/AZTX chart: page 22

At least look at the map on page 91, which shows likely future international boundaries for the ethnically-based countries expected to succeed the U.S.A.

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Best to not stop before getting to Wyoming, better Montana/Idaho. (New Hampshire/ Vermont/ Maine would do IMO, but for lack of natural resources and proximity to New York/ Pennsylvania/ Ohio/ etc.)

Good map of where John Rawles suggests reloing, with which I concur:

http://www.survivalblog.com/img/redoubt.jpg

Is from this mid-length essay: http://www.survivalblog.com/redoubt.html

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