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Saturday, July 14, 2012

The total safety of vaccines

Of course, nothing like this unfortunate little incident of gene-swapping viruses could ever possibly occur with human vaccines. Because scientists have performed all sorts of scientific experimentsstatistical reviews and so they can assure you that no vaccine has ever been scientifically proven to harm anyone ever.
Three vaccines used to prevent respiratory disease in chickens have swapped genes, producing two lethal new strains that have killed tens of thousands of fowl across two states in Australia, scientists reported on Friday. The creation of the deadly new variant was only possible because the vaccines contained live viruses, even though they were weakened forms, said Joanne Devlin, lead author of the paper published in the journal Science....

The viruses emerged in 2008, a year after Australia started using a European vaccine along with two very similar Australian vaccines to fight acute respiratory disease in poultry. The illness causes coughing, sneezing and breathing difficulties in birds, normally killing 5 percent of them. The two new strains, however, were far more harmful, and since they were created have killed up to 17 percent of chicken flocks across Victoria and New South Wales, the two main chicken rearing states in Australia.
Of course, if these Australian scientists utilized the system presently used by the U.S. vaccine reporting system, their reports would show that twelve chickens had died for reasons that were inexplicable, but definitely had absolutely nothing to do with the vaccines they received the previous day.

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Anonymous The CronoLink July 14, 2012 5:54 PM  

Expect the attack of the mutant zombie chicks.

Anonymous realmatt July 14, 2012 6:13 PM  

Just think of all those unvaccinated chickens who would have put these dead chickens in danger.

Anonymous bw July 14, 2012 6:47 PM  

“It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine" - Harvard Doctor and NEJM Editor, 2000


Current events/lies coming from "authorities" are such an emotional topic for most.

1918 Influenza, WWI returning soldiers, and vaccines

Polio vaccine and SV40 simian virus (w/20 yr incubation or so - and Polio was disappearing rapidly w/out vaccine)

The HIV/AIDS/Military/WHO/Homo-thing is fun too.

world-renowned biologist Isaac Farlane Bernet's published remarks that molecular biology may get out of hand like atomic physics and be used for evil purposes and "practical applications of molecular biology to cancer research might be sinister."

Which would lead us to New Orleans in the early 60's - and Alton Ochsner. (see: DrewBrees post-game pressers)

Anonymous The other skeptic July 14, 2012 6:55 PM  


1918 Influenza, WWI returning soldiers, and vaccines


The centenary is coming up in a few short years ...

Anonymous jack July 14, 2012 7:23 PM  

We had our latest order of new chicks vaccinated for chicken respiratory disease. Of the 27 four promptly died and most of the rest showed what we considered adverse reaction to the treatment. Time will tell [7 months until they start laying eggs] whether the vaccine had a permanent effect. Otherwise, they seem healthy and very active at 7 weeks age.

We will never use any chicken vaccine again. What we will do, as we have been doing, is to use apple vinegar in their water to boost the immune system, and olive leaf powder in food for viral problems. And, of course, powdered garlic for worming.

Its true; the best methods are the natural ones and the folk ways that have worked for hundreds of years are still around for a reason. They work.

Anonymous zen0 July 14, 2012 8:18 PM  

The CronoLink July 14, 2012 5:54 PM

Expect the attack of the mutant zombie chicks.


Charley Sheen will take care of that.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 14, 2012 9:22 PM  

OT: For C2C'ers: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/07/14

Without a doubt the vaxs don't work.

On a recent episode of NeoconnedNCIS this very story unfolded in the case of a dead soldier and the Army didn't know, couldn't identify it.

Anonymous Orion July 14, 2012 9:31 PM  

"They had to vaccinate the village to save it." Will replace the old catch phrase eventually.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 14, 2012 10:25 PM  

In Germany some are more equal than others

Anonymous The other skeptic July 14, 2012 10:27 PM  

Now there's an immunization program that is useful

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, Johns Hopkins July 14, 2012 11:29 PM  

The creation of the deadly new variant was only possible because the vaccines contained live viruses, even though they were weakened forms, said Joanne Devlin, lead author of the paper published in the journal Science....

Like I said before, these new vaccines coming down the syringe are nothing like the ones you've seen in the past decades. Just wait till microbiologists start manipulating individual surface proteins on a virus. Good thing it was only in Gallus gallus domesticus and not in people.

Anonymous Idle Spectator July 14, 2012 11:51 PM  

The Devil's Rejects: Chicken Fucker

"Clevon!"
"Yaah boss?"
"You know why I come to get these chickens?"
I love his pensive stare at 0:48.

"Now I ain't calling you chickenfucker, but, that boy over there looks sexually frustrated."

I was waiting to post this about chickens, and now we are on the subject. It is finally my chance to SHINE!!1!

Abnormal chicken relations are brought to you by Rob Zombie.

Anonymous harry12 July 15, 2012 12:01 AM  

FYI:

Why Are Scientific Retractions Increasing? Article

Anonymous Joe Ruskendude July 15, 2012 12:05 AM  

After all these years, you delete a comment from me, because of what? Because I went over the line? No. Not at all. To protect yourself defensively.

Remember that. That I won, and you lost. It doesn't matter all the times that I haven't been able to do you damage. That's to be expected, but by me winning once, that could be a bad omen for you.

Money. When it comes to business, you're not easy going and flexible at all. I'm glad I'm not enslaved to money.

The real battle will be fought if I'm ever on a level playing field with you. Well, it's not like you have a lot of connections. I only care to do battle if you're getting endorsed by decent-appearing people. I have to know who they are first. I only know of a couple right now.

I'll start paying attention to these guys, and start trying to figure out who they are:

fraterslibertas.com

Anonymous outlaw x July 15, 2012 1:41 AM  

jack

Feed those chickens sour krout ad well. Proven metod against bird flu in chickens

Anonymous VD July 15, 2012 2:54 AM  

After all these years, you delete a comment from me, because of what? Because I went over the line? No. Not at all. To protect yourself defensively.

No, the comment was deleted because it was Anonymous. Anonymous comments are not permitted. This is not a difficult concept.

Anonymous Noah B. July 15, 2012 3:31 AM  

"I'm glad I'm not enslaved to money."

Hope things in fantasyland are going well, bro.

Or, if you're entirely self-sufficient, there are many here who would like details.

Anonymous Noah B. July 15, 2012 3:33 AM  

Sweet Lord -- someone had to bring up "Devil's Rejects."

Anonymous Soga July 15, 2012 3:45 AM  

harry12:

Ah! Money quote! Bolded in the link you posted for extra effect as well:

"For those convinced that science is self-correcting, and progresses in a forward direction over time, we offer only discouragement."

Well, well, well. If ever there was an AWCA moment to take advantage of, this is it. It seems that even scientists are not immune to the fallen nature of man - who will lie and hold to pretty lies for an ideology. Perhaps Western civilization would do very well to learn that lesson if it is not already too late.

Anonymous Idle Spectator July 15, 2012 4:27 AM  

Sweet Lord -- someone had to bring up "Devil's Rejects."

IT WAS ME! Now get one of those nice long-legged Rhode Island Reds for yourself. Becaw!

//runs out

Anonymous damaged justice July 15, 2012 9:50 AM  

Joe: Cry more.

Blogger Spacebunny July 15, 2012 10:24 AM  

But I got that comment saved in ScrapBook, baby.

So repost it using a name and stop all of your incessant crying already. Or are you too stupid to figure that out?

Anonymous bw July 16, 2012 1:04 AM  

It shows how desperate you are to keep people from remembering the past, and from knowing that you sell a book that was once free...

WTF is crazy going on about with her moral posturing about all things "free"??

And where the hell is everyone at when the Vaccine threads appear?
Dots need connecting and there's a great deal of info amongst the ilk. Was the "rapture" real and did I miss it?

Anonymous FrankNorman July 16, 2012 5:47 AM  

What do links to free ebooks have to do with chickens dying from bad vaccines?

Blogger Vox July 16, 2012 8:37 AM  

What do links to free ebooks have to do with chickens dying from bad vaccines?

Nothing. Joe, not only are you wildly off-topic, but I delete anything I want for whatever reason I like. If you don't like it, start your own blog and post to your heart's content. I don't recall deleting your earlier comment, but not only do I delete dozens of Anonymous and off-topic comments every day, but the Blogger spam filter catches five or six non-spam commenters every day.

Unless you become considerably less annoying in a hurry, I will simply leave you in the spam trap. Given that I am on the home stretch of a very long novel, I am not inclined to put up with much from annoying commenters these days.

Anonymous Luke July 16, 2012 12:41 PM  

Back on topic... What is the best online guide to what vaccines are worth the risk, especially for young children? My wife and I have (so far unvaccinated) 15-day-old twins, so the subject is particularly of interest to us these days.

Anonymous LL July 16, 2012 1:52 PM  

Like I said before, these new vaccines coming down the syringe are nothing like the ones you've seen in the past decades. Just wait till microbiologists start manipulating individual surface proteins on a virus.

The HPV vaccine is made from individual viral proteins that are sort of...combined with a membrane structure. Oh, and there are over 100 variations of HPV. Does that make you feel sick to your stomach, in light of this story, as it does me?

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, Johns Hopkins July 16, 2012 4:59 PM  

The HPV vaccine is made from individual viral proteins that are sort of...combined with a membrane structure. Oh, and there are over 100 variations of HPV. Does that make you feel sick to your stomach, in light of this story, as it does me?

I would not worry about that one too much. Lots of viruses have many, many variations. It's how they evolve to stay ahead of defenses. The Human Papillomavirus is not very dangerous at all. It's only transmitted by skin-to-skin contact due to viral shedding at the top of a papula. The respiratory diseases in the article are far more dangerous because it is airborne, and was severe enough to cause death to begin with.

The cervical cancer thing is because you can't see the warts up on in there. And usually it still takes years for the initial dysplasia to form a malignant cancer.

Now, technically HPV can cause penile cancer in men, but that's less than a 1 out of a million chance. I say that because about 800 new cases are diagnosed every year.

Anonymous LL July 17, 2012 7:23 AM  

Yes, lots of viruses have many variations, but not lots of viruses have a vaccine that is pushed universally for young girls (and now boys) with no idea on the length of time it stays effective. I sent Spacebunny an article about how they've already done studies saying that there is herd immunity (yes, we mocked the story and study), which may lead to other strains being covered by new vaccines. Then you have something similar to this article's point. Different vaccines, on closely related strains, being used in different groups or overlapping groups of girls and women. The continuity of civilization rests in the womb of women. It matters.

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, Johns Hopkins July 17, 2012 6:25 PM  

I sent Spacebunny an article about how they've already done studies saying that there is herd immunity (yes, we mocked the story and study),

Well, kind of, as the women all sleep with the same small proportion of the men. Cleanliness is next to Godliness. More for me!

Then you have something similar to this article's point. Different vaccines, on closely related strains, being used in different groups or overlapping groups of girls and women.

But see, the thing is, even if the genes got switched between the various HPV strains, chances are the HPV would not be more dangerous. Possibly scenarios include a more agressive time table in a strain leading to cancer. Or maybe a "safe" strain of HPV could turn into another one of the "high-risk" malignant types. Or maybe the wart would appear on a different skin site. That's about it really.

The continuity of civilization rests in the womb of women. It matters.

I don't know about that. We are already developing artificial wombs.

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