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Thursday, August 23, 2012

Atheists and Daddy issues

Behold science in action. We'll begin with the well-known observation that many atheists have serious problems with their fathers. To this, we add the fact that scientists at Boston University, the University of British Columbia, and UC Davis have all reported evidence supporting my original hypothesis that there is a connection between atheism and higher than normal Asperger's Quotients, as well as this new study, which has the potential to explain the reason for that connection.
Older men are more likely than young ones to father a child who develops autism or schizophrenia, because of random mutations that become more numerous with advancing paternal age, scientists reported on Wednesday, in the first study to quantify the effect as it builds each year. The age of mothers had no bearing on the risk for these disorders, the study found....

The overall risk to a man in his 40s or older is in the range of 2 percent, at most, and there are other contributing biological factors that are entirely unknown.
My random thought of the day is that older fathers not only increase the number of random mutations, but also tend to behave differently than younger fathers. Certainly everyone who has multiple children knows that the youngest is brought up somewhat differently than the eldest, and at least part of this may have to do with the increased age of the father rather than "been there done that" syndrome. This means that the children of older fathers are likely to experience a double-whammy of Nature and Nurture teaming up against them with regards to the probability of their turning out neurotypical.

This all leads to my hypothesis that the reason atheists are less likely to be neurotypical and less likely to believe in the existence of gods and the supernatural is because their fathers are, on average, older. This hypothetical causal connection between the age of the father and the atheism of the child is interesting in that it would have the potential to explain both the relatively recent increase in the number of atheists as well as the reason Europe is more atheist than the United States and other religious countries.

The testable prediction generated by this hypothesis is that there will be a statistically significant difference in the average/median age of fathers of atheists and the rest of the population. The average age of the atheist's fathers should be older than the norm, while due to their much greater numbers, the average age of religious individual's fathers will very closely approximate it. Unfortunately, the USA doesn't track the age of fathers, only first-time fathers, but Australia does.

1. The average age of a first-time dad in the U.S. was 29.65 in 2010, considerably younger than a Western European equivalent of 32.51 (based on the average of UK, France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy and Spain only).

2. Between 1988 and 2008 the median age of married fathers increased by almost three years, from 31.0 to 34.1 years, while the median age of unmarried fathers who acknowledged the birth of their child also increased, from 27.0 years to 29.8 years. In 2008 the median age of all fathers was 33.1 years. [This indicates that the median age of all fathers in Australia was 30 in 1988.]


So, for the time being, we'll use 30 as our approximate average age. And like we did before, let's take an informal poll here to see if the average age of fathers of the atheists here is, in fact, above 30. Just indicate if you are atheist, agnostic, or religious, and your father's age when you were born. Here are some examples:

Vox Day: religious-25
Richard Dawkins: atheist-26
Christopher Hitchens: atheist-40
Daniel Dennett: atheist-32
Bertrand Russell: atheist-30
John Russell: atheist-50
Skatje Myers: atheist-32
Friedrich Nietzsche: atheist-31
H.G. Wells: atheist-38
Scott Atran: atheist-26


So the average age of the father of the New Atheists is 32.7. So far so good. Anyone know how old Sam Harris's or PZ Myers's fathers were when they were born?

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Blogger Shimshon August 23, 2012 4:57 AM  

Shimshon: religious-28

Anonymous Steve Canyon August 23, 2012 5:08 AM  

religious, 33

Anonymous Rantor August 23, 2012 5:20 AM  

Rantor-Religious-39

Anonymous Salt August 23, 2012 5:23 AM  

Salt religious-32

Anonymous Lulabelle August 23, 2012 5:25 AM  

Lulabelle religious - 24

Anonymous Greatheart August 23, 2012 5:33 AM  

Greatheart - Religious - 23

Anonymous Remir August 23, 2012 5:38 AM  

religious - 47

(sorry man, hope you get a good sample size)

Anonymous Steve Canyon August 23, 2012 5:39 AM  

Would birth position be of any value too? I was the oldest of 2. My brother's religious and was born when my father was 35.

Anonymous Hong Hu Shi August 23, 2012 5:39 AM  

Hong Hu Shi - Religious - 35

Blogger Booch Paradise August 23, 2012 5:41 AM  

religious-40

Anonymous Greatheart August 23, 2012 5:44 AM  

What about variables such as lifelong religious vs. fathers age and formerly athiest/agnostic converted to religious vs. fathers age? Or do those not matter at this point?

OpenID edwin2026 August 23, 2012 5:48 AM  

Indoexpatriate - Religious - 30

Blogger bethyada August 23, 2012 5:50 AM  

bethyada - religious - 23

Anonymous Remir August 23, 2012 5:50 AM  

Vox is probably going to be overloaded with results as it is, but it most likely won't hurt to include a little more info as long as we decide what the extra data will be early in the thread.

I'm the youngest of 5.

Anonymous philip August 23, 2012 5:56 AM  

religious - 26

(youngest sibling also religious - 38)

Blogger Reed Miller August 23, 2012 5:56 AM  

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Blogger Vox August 23, 2012 5:57 AM  

What about variables such as lifelong religious vs. fathers age and formerly athiest/agnostic converted to religious vs. fathers age? Or do those not matter at this point?

Irrelevant for this purpose.

Anonymous Angel August 23, 2012 6:03 AM  

Religious and my Dad was 20.

For some reason I would assume the conclusion would be the opposite. That men would be better Fathers and more willing to seek out the supernatural the older they are. But just using my own experience there I guess.

Anonymous MK August 23, 2012 6:09 AM  

Agnostic 33

Anonymous DC Al Fine August 23, 2012 6:14 AM  

DC Al Fine, religious, 28

Blogger Andrew Cordeaux August 23, 2012 6:20 AM  

Andrew Cordeaux - religious - 22

Anonymous Koanic August 23, 2012 6:22 AM  

Higher Asperger's quotient scores for atheists is at least partly due to higher Asperger's scores for high-IQ population, since self identifying as atheist requires IQ above certain level.

Higher probability for older fathers having children with autism may be due to the same high IQ late bloomer effect. Not sure about schizophrenia; don't understand that one well. But it could also be the same effect, depending on the causes of schizophrenia.

Also, the strong religious tend to have children younger, so if upbringing has effect on subsequent belief, age of father would be conflated with that effect.

Anonymous Pablo August 23, 2012 6:23 AM  

Religious - 22

Anonymous Pete August 23, 2012 6:23 AM  

Religious, 37

Anonymous Anonymous August 23, 2012 6:36 AM  

Atheist - 20

Blogger Dan Hewitt August 23, 2012 6:38 AM  

Religious - 23

Anonymous Anonymous August 23, 2012 6:47 AM  

Religious - 37

Anonymous SSt August 23, 2012 6:53 AM  

Religious (elder child) - 28

Anonymous Thom August 23, 2012 6:53 AM  

Religious - 40

Anonymous Chev August 23, 2012 7:00 AM  

Chev - 35 - Religious - only child

Anonymous Michael Maier August 23, 2012 7:00 AM  

Michael Maier - religious, father's age 20

Blogger Eric Mueller August 23, 2012 7:05 AM  

Christian- 28

Anonymous Sharon August 23, 2012 7:11 AM  

Religious - 37

Anonymous ODG August 23, 2012 7:11 AM  

Religious - 25

Anonymous ODG August 23, 2012 7:14 AM  

I'll throw in for my brother as well:
Religious - 23.

My family is proof of your hypothesis. My brother is a minister, and our father was two years younger when he was born. I am not a minister, yet still religious, born two years later. It's a good thing my parents didn't have another child two years later, or he'd be a godless heathen!

It's Science!

Blogger thak August 23, 2012 7:22 AM  

Religious - 24

My younger brother is a pastor, and my dad was 25 when he was born.

My younger sister is religious as well--don't know if you're counting females in this--and dad was 27 when she was born.

Blogger Big Bob August 23, 2012 7:22 AM  

Big Bob - religious - 31

older brother - religious - 28

younger brother - religious - 37

Anonymous BN August 23, 2012 7:28 AM  

BN religious 21

Anonymous JCB August 23, 2012 7:29 AM  

JCB - religious 29

Anonymous Houston August 23, 2012 7:35 AM  

Religious - 25

Anonymous Megabozz August 23, 2012 7:35 AM  

Megabozz, religious, 52

Blogger Vox August 23, 2012 7:36 AM  

It's Science!

Totally, dude! How much do they pay for a Nobel prize anyhow?

Anonymous DW August 23, 2012 7:36 AM  

DW Religious 26
Younger siblings: 28 and 30

Anonymous Asatru Heathen August 23, 2012 7:39 AM  

Asatru Heathen - religious - 22

Mini Heathen 1 - religious - 24
Mini Heathen 2 - religious - 26

Blogger SarahsDaughter August 23, 2012 7:47 AM  

Religious - 33

Anonymous Joe Doakes August 23, 2012 7:50 AM  

Joe Doakes - oldest of 6 - religious - 30

Catholic family, my two baby brothers were born 15 and 17 years after me, Dad was 45-47 - brothers are not religious.

Anonymous jay c August 23, 2012 7:51 AM  

Jay c - religious - 32

Blogger Eric I. Gatera. August 23, 2012 7:53 AM  

E.G - Religious - 36

Blogger JD Curtis August 23, 2012 7:57 AM  

religious-41

Atheists most certainly do have daddy issues.

Anonymous jay c August 23, 2012 7:58 AM  

Brother - religious - 22
Sister - religious - 23
Sister -religious - 24
Sister - nonreligious - 26
Brother - religious - 27

Anonymous Stickwick August 23, 2012 8:00 AM  

Stickwick: religious-23
Carnaby: religious-24

Blogger crazyivan498 August 23, 2012 8:02 AM  

myself atheist 28.
brother- atheist 31
brother- agnostic 33
brother- reglious 35

Anonymous antonym August 23, 2012 8:06 AM  

antonym: agnostic, 41

Anonymous The Great Martini August 23, 2012 8:08 AM  

Wow. Tony Randall's kids are going to be so damn crazy.

Anonymous HH August 23, 2012 8:09 AM  

HH religious - Catholic ---

Siblings and age of father at time of birth: 25, 27, 29, 31, 32

My kids and my age at birth: 25, 27, 29, 30


However --- I can't support the conclusion that VD is is obviously trying to drive this to -- atheism is a product of genetic mutation :).

Anonymous No_Limit_ Bubba™ August 23, 2012 8:12 AM  

Myself- agnostic - 27
My Dad- atheist- 44
My half-sister- Christian-76 (!)
My mom-Church organist-36

Anonymous Shild August 23, 2012 8:14 AM  

"My random thought of the day is that older fathers not only increase the number of random mutations, but also tend to behave differently than younger fathers. Certainly everyone who has multiple children knows that the youngest is brought up somewhat differently than the eldest, and at least part of this may have to do with the increased age of the father rather than "been there done that" syndrome."

How do older fathers differ from younger? Is an older father worse in the role than a younger, all else being equal? I ask because my father was in his 20s with my siblings and me, so I have no experience being raised by an older father.

As for the "daddy issues" hypothesis of atheism, I'm skeptical but I think it raises some interesting questions. I remember reading an article years ago which argued that atheism is in fact an expression of a deep seated Oedipus complex. The atheist in this scenario is acting on a subconscious desire to kill his father and take his place so that he can enjoy unlimited sexual freedom.

Probably Buncombe, I know, but interesting.

Blogger Unknown August 23, 2012 8:16 AM  

Religious, 21

Anonymous Starbuck August 23, 2012 8:20 AM  

Me - Christian/Religious - My dad was 21

My Son - Christian/Religious - I was 26

Anonymous fred August 23, 2012 8:21 AM  

religious - 50 (I am the oldest of three)

Anonymous Baseball Savant August 23, 2012 8:23 AM  

Me: Christian/Relgious - May Dad was 36
My Son: Chrisitan/Religious - I was 29 (my son was my 3rd child)

My ages for my kids

1st - 25
2nd - 28
3rd - 29
4th - 32
5th - 34

Anonymous AmyJ August 23, 2012 8:26 AM  

AmyJ - religious - 25

Anonymous Athor Pel August 23, 2012 8:32 AM  

Is Asperger's a birth defect?

Blogger Vox August 23, 2012 8:36 AM  

I can't support the conclusion that VD is is obviously trying to drive this to -- atheism is a product of genetic mutation :).

Why do you hate science?

Blogger A August 23, 2012 8:37 AM  

Adam - religious - 38

Blogger Leni Dog August 23, 2012 8:37 AM  

Religious 21

N5

Anonymous No_Limit_Bubba™ August 23, 2012 8:38 AM  

It wouldn't surprise me, in the least, to find a genetic component in religiosity or lack thereof.

However, I suspect that children of older fathers tend to be less religious just because the were born more recently. It is much easier to grow up nonreligious today than it was 20, 50, 100 years ago. etc. You need to control for this.

I also suspect that the older age of the new athiest's dads may be a simple function of being upper class--they tend to postpone childbearing.

Anonymous Alexamenos August 23, 2012 8:39 AM  

Atheist (agnostic per local definitions) - 17

Yea, I'm quite literally a bastard--is that enough of a daddy issue for you?

Anonymous Anonymous August 23, 2012 8:44 AM  

Religious - 28
Brother religious - 32
Wife religious - 19
Sis in law religious - 25

Anonymous Mr. Nightstick August 23, 2012 8:44 AM  

Religious 30

Blogger wrf3 August 23, 2012 8:44 AM  

wrf3:religious, 33

Anonymous Faust August 23, 2012 8:45 AM  

Religious - 34

Anonymous Wayne August 23, 2012 8:53 AM  

Wayne - religious - 27

Anonymous Toby Temple August 23, 2012 8:53 AM  

Religious - 40

I have 2 brothers, both are also religious:

eldest bro - 38
youngest bro - 43

But we were born and raise in the Philippines. So that should be the main factor.

Anonymous rycamor August 23, 2012 9:00 AM  

Religious: 26

Anonymous Sam the Man August 23, 2012 9:05 AM  

Sam the man, religious, father 35 when born

Anonymous Wendy August 23, 2012 9:08 AM  

Religious - 39

Anonymous tungsten August 23, 2012 9:09 AM  

Religious - 23

Anonymous JartStar August 23, 2012 9:10 AM  

This could in part explain the rise in autism as well.

Religious - 37

Anonymous Shawn August 23, 2012 9:14 AM  

Religious - 26

Blogger Elder Rock August 23, 2012 9:18 AM  

Religious - 26

Anonymous rienzi August 23, 2012 9:23 AM  

religious - 26

Anonymous Josh August 23, 2012 9:24 AM  

Josh religious - 34
Sister religious - 36
Brother religious - 39
Brother religious - 39 (twins)
Sister religious - 42

Anonymous Azimus August 23, 2012 9:24 AM  

Me - Religious - 26

[siblings]
Sister - Religious - 29
Other Sister - Religious - 32

Anonymous Rally August 23, 2012 9:29 AM  

Agnostic, 21

Anonymous Roundtine August 23, 2012 9:30 AM  

Me - Religious - 40
Sister -Religious - 42

Blogger Giraffe August 23, 2012 9:33 AM  

Me religious 36
Brother R-34
Brother R-38
Brother R-41
Sis R-43

Anonymous Beau August 23, 2012 9:45 AM  

Religious - 25

Anonymous The other skeptic August 23, 2012 9:50 AM  

Greg Cochran has a posting in this as well

I always thought this stuff was made up by feminists trying to draw attention away from the problems of women delaying having children so they could ride the cock carousel during their prime fertility years.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus August 23, 2012 9:50 AM  

Darth Toolpodicus - Religious - 25

Blogger Astrosmith August 23, 2012 9:54 AM  

Astrosmith - religious - 23

Blogger Astrosmith August 23, 2012 9:56 AM  

Astrosmith - religious - 23

Anonymous Daniel August 23, 2012 9:57 AM  

Atheist William Lowe's atheist father, according to his testimony, was 31 when William was born.

I realize that you aren't counting history for converts (either to or from religion) but I'll just note that I am a former "from birth" atheist and an adult convert to your religious category. I only mention that because I most certainly was the atheist son of an old father. That said, for me:

Religious - 38

Anonymous CJ August 23, 2012 9:59 AM  

CJ - Religious -33

Blogger vandelay August 23, 2012 10:03 AM  

Agnostic - 30

Anonymous FrankNorman August 23, 2012 10:04 AM  

FrankNorman: Christian, Dad was 30

Anonymous Flinders August 23, 2012 10:08 AM  

Religious - 21

Anonymous ridip August 23, 2012 10:08 AM  

ridip: religious-21

Anonymous HardReturn¶ August 23, 2012 10:09 AM  

religious - 31

Anonymous Andre August 23, 2012 10:17 AM  

This may also have something to do with the personality of people that decide to wait more to have a child, as well. Aren't there studies showing that atheists/agnostics tend to have less children, and at older age?

It may also have to do with the COMPETENCE required to have a child as well. That includes being a Gamma feminist, which almost certainly will make it more difficult to find a mate to even get the project on the road.

And I know some atheist couples who do not want to have a child because "what's the point?". One of them mentioned that a human being is just a "machine that produces poop". Another, an insufferable, extremely leftist philosophy student said that she "hates the notion that the purpose of human beings is procreation. Because humans have absolutely no purpose whatsoever, and so even bearing children is nonsensical".

Anyway:

Religious - 40

Anonymous duckman August 23, 2012 10:18 AM  

Religious - 25

(I'm the oldest. My youngest sibling, a brother, was born when Dad was almost 33. This brother is probably the most religious of the four of us. My sister, who was born when Dad was 30, is the least religious. One other brother was born when Dad was 28.)

Anonymous tviper August 23, 2012 10:19 AM  

Religious - 27

Anonymous scoobius dubious August 23, 2012 10:20 AM  

Given the peculiarity (which is not to say it's unhelpful) of this methodology, would you say there was also a point in time where it was possible to plot, say, a belief in heliocentricity (as against terracentricity) or a belief in flat-earthism or round-earthism, based on data like a father's age?

I say this because it should be obvious: either God/gods exist(s) or else He/they does/do not, and whichever way the truth obtains, it's always been one way or the other since before the dawn of civilization, whether human beings agreed or not. In the same way, the solar system has always been structured (at least for as long as it's existed) in the way which it always has been: and the beliefs of Akhenaten or Copernicus or Ptolemy have only altered what humans thought about the case, they have never altered what actually _was_ the case.

Granted that people generally tend to take an emotional and personal interest in the existence (or not) of God, whereas their emotional and personal stake in heliocentricity has varied from time to time and place to place. Still, the question seems worth asking: if this methodology means anything useful in a debate about atheism, can/could it be useful in debates about other hard-to-determine (historically, I mean) questions?

What, for instance, might age of fathers have to do with belief or disbelief in racially-inherited/determined IQ differentials?

Anonymous whtbread August 23, 2012 10:20 AM  

Religious - 25

Blogger Mark Plus August 23, 2012 10:28 AM  

Those biblical patriarchs who allegedly fathered sons at preposterous ages, like when the 100-year-old Abraham fathered Isaac, should have generated whole tribes of atheists according to this reasoning.

Anonymous jack August 23, 2012 10:31 AM  

Religious 25

Anonymous BAJ August 23, 2012 10:32 AM  

BAJ - Religious - 27

Anonymous jack August 23, 2012 10:33 AM  

Mark Plus

Consider their home environment. If you were raised by a Saint you would probably be religious. Then, too, the tribe itself might have had a policy of stoning if you were overly non-religious.

Anonymous DrRansom August 23, 2012 10:39 AM  

Religious - 30

Anonymous Jamsco August 23, 2012 10:56 AM  

Religious - 30

Anonymous Peggy August 23, 2012 10:57 AM  

Religious -- 38

(I had one of the highest theist Asperger's Quotients when you did that survey, though I'm not autistic.)

Blogger jamsco August 23, 2012 10:58 AM  

You might also want to do this with Birth Order.

Anonymous Mohawk August 23, 2012 11:03 AM  

Religious - 25

Anonymous Chris C. August 23, 2012 11:06 AM  

Religious - 15

Blogger JDC August 23, 2012 11:12 AM  

Religious - 23

Anonymous Thomas August 23, 2012 11:20 AM  

Religious - 26

Anonymous kh123 August 23, 2012 11:22 AM  

"at preposterous ages"

Another scientific pronouncement. Because mankind has always remained physiologically static, yes?

Anonymous Sexual Chocolate Imperion August 23, 2012 11:39 AM  

Flaming Lutheran - 26

Brother - Scorching Lutheran - 29
Sister - Incinerating Lutheran - 31

Child X,Y, and Z - Excruciating Lutheran female partner says -- NO! (We are certainly not Roman Catholic) - 29+

Blogger Crude August 23, 2012 11:39 AM  

By the way, speaking of atheists...

There's now a full-blown intellectual Cult of Gnu civil war on.

The Gnu+ have decided to purge themselves of the Gnu-. All atheists must be united in their support of feminism, gun control, homo/trans-rights, socialism and more!

Anonymous Emperor of Icecream August 23, 2012 11:39 AM  

Religious -- 24

My two brothers are religious also. My dad was 29 and 34 respectively when they were born.

If you want to take the whole family, girls included, you have nine religious children whose average paternal age at birth is 30.33

Though I suspect that coming from a large family is a confounding factor.

Anonymous Josh August 23, 2012 11:40 AM  

Who will be doing the peer review?

Anonymous diffeomorph August 23, 2012 11:42 AM  

Former atheist, now Christian: father was 36

Anonymous Emperor of Icecream August 23, 2012 11:44 AM  

Even for an informal online poll, though, posting the result you want before you asked for answers was bad methodology, as most people here are favorable to you and would presumably want you to be proved right

Anonymous Simon Grey August 23, 2012 11:51 AM  

Well, since this is for science...

Simon, religious: 26
Older sister, religious: 24
Brother #1, religious: 28
Brother #2, religious: 30
Brother #3, agnostic (I think): 33

Anonymous The CronoLink August 23, 2012 11:53 AM  

Religious - 23

Blogger Vox August 23, 2012 12:08 PM  

Even for an informal online poll, though, posting the result you want before you asked for answers was bad methodology, as most people here are favorable to you and would presumably want you to be proved right

I think, based on the very small number of atheist replies compared to their more active presence on other threads, you have it backwards. Moreover, you don't seriously think that this methodology is one I would utilize to attempt proving anything, do you?

Have you truly observed so little about how I operate?

Anonymous mjb August 23, 2012 12:09 PM  

MJB: Religious - 22

Blogger Good Will August 23, 2012 12:16 PM  

Good Will -- 27

Blogger Good Will August 23, 2012 12:16 PM  

Oh, and religious.

Anonymous The One August 23, 2012 12:29 PM  

Well I'll be the outlier. Very religious, father 39. On the other hand my father had a high mass (catholic) when he got married and ages very slowly.

Blogger Jehu August 23, 2012 12:40 PM  

Jehu-religious 24
Older brother---religious 19

Have you considered investigating any possible relationship between divorced parents and atheism? The mechanism would seem pretty straightforward.

Anonymous AB August 23, 2012 1:02 PM  

Father 34, religious

My Sister: father 39, atheist

Anonymous Anonymous August 23, 2012 1:11 PM  

religious - 18

Blogger IM2L844 August 23, 2012 1:12 PM  

Religious - 24

My daughter was born when I was 31 and she seems to be following the same pattern of intellectually honest skepticism that I went through at her age (21). She'll come around. The facts are compelling.

Anonymous Suomynona August 23, 2012 1:22 PM  

No_Limit_Bubba™ August 23, 2012 8:38 AM

However, I suspect that children of older fathers tend to be less religious just because the[y] were born more recently.


Huh? There is zero correlation between a person's current age, whether born more recently or in the distant past, and the age of his father at the time he was born. An 80-year old man could be the son of an older father.

Blogger Res Ipsa August 23, 2012 1:23 PM  

Religious-24

Anonymous Passinthrough August 23, 2012 1:31 PM  

religious-22

Blogger ajw308 August 23, 2012 1:41 PM  

Religious - 25

The problem I see with this data is it's hardly a random sample.

Anonymous Matt_OKC August 23, 2012 1:41 PM  

religious - 36

Anonymous Nebo August 23, 2012 1:48 PM  

Religious- 24

Anonymous willneverpostagain August 23, 2012 1:50 PM  

Believer--Father 25 yrs.

Anonymous bw August 23, 2012 1:52 PM  

religious - 37

Anonymous onejohn512 August 23, 2012 1:53 PM  

I was an atheist / agnostic - father's age at birth 41

Sister religious 29
Brother atheist / agnostic 30
Sister agnostic 32
Sister agnostic 35
Sister religious 37
Brother religious 39
Onejohn512 41 *Convert to Christianity

Anonymous szook August 23, 2012 1:55 PM  

szook - religious 30

Anonymous paradox August 23, 2012 1:56 PM  

Grown up theistic then Christian, agnostic/atheist/deistic now Christian - 27

Brother - 30, not religious


I can tell a difference in my two sons. Oldest was born when I was 26, youngest when I was 31. The oldest loves to hear Bible stories. The youngest not so but he is just 4.

Anonymous Ten41 August 23, 2012 1:56 PM  

Religious - Father 44

Anonymous Ten41 August 23, 2012 2:02 PM  

Religious - 44

Anonymous ThirdMonkey August 23, 2012 2:05 PM  

Religious - 25

Anonymous GmBH August 23, 2012 2:06 PM  

Christian -33

Blogger RobertT August 23, 2012 2:17 PM  

16

Blogger RobertT August 23, 2012 2:18 PM  

religious

Anonymous Laidley Hall August 23, 2012 2:26 PM  

My father: atheist, 37
My brother: religious, 23
Me: formerly atheist, 37
My son: religious (age 10), 39

Anonymous Laidley Hall August 23, 2012 2:27 PM  

Oops..my father was 28 when my brother was born, not 23.

Anonymous Shutterbug August 23, 2012 2:37 PM  

Shutterbug - religious - Christian - 19
sister - religious (new age, unitarian or whatever) - 22
brother - atheist - 29

Anonymous Contemplationist August 23, 2012 2:39 PM  

Atheist - 31

Anonymous MC August 23, 2012 2:45 PM  

Religious- 25

Anonymous Redlegben August 23, 2012 2:56 PM  

Religious-30

Anonymous Deckard August 23, 2012 2:59 PM  

Religious - 25
Brother - Religious - 27

Anonymous debbs August 23, 2012 3:01 PM  

Religious - 25

Anonymous T14 August 23, 2012 3:02 PM  

Agnostic 33
Agnostics/atheists almost certainly have a higher average here. in fact, I recall seeing something like that

Blogger James Jones August 23, 2012 3:05 PM  

Religious - 20
Brother non-religious - 23

Blogger James Jones August 23, 2012 3:05 PM  

Religious - 20
Brother non-religious - 23

Blogger Earl August 23, 2012 3:13 PM  

Religious, dad was 22. Former nihilist with daddy abandonment issues.

Anonymous WaterBoy August 23, 2012 3:14 PM  

Myself: Agnostic - 26
Older bro: Religious - 24
Younger bro: Religious - 28
Wife: Religious - 37
Wife's bro: Religious - 36

Anonymous Anonymous August 23, 2012 3:18 PM  

religious -- 24

Blogger Monica August 23, 2012 4:22 PM  

Myself: Religious - 36
Husband: Agnostic - 20

Blogger Monica August 23, 2012 4:25 PM  

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OpenID leterren August 23, 2012 4:41 PM  

Religious, father was 31

(My sister, religious, father was 26)

Anonymous the bandit August 23, 2012 4:48 PM  

Religious, eldest, 30

Younger brother, religious, 34

divorced at 35

Anonymous The Stranger August 23, 2012 5:06 PM  

The Stranger: religious, 20.

Anonymous Anonymous August 23, 2012 5:20 PM  

weren't john the baptist's parents old?

Anonymous Anonymous August 23, 2012 5:23 PM  

My father had 4 children, 3 sons. The two sons he had over the age of 40 are more religious than the son had at age 29. All are theists.

Anonymous Daniel August 23, 2012 5:26 PM  

This is a fun parlor game:

John Derbyshire's dad, John Robert was (in the younger's words) a "militant atheist."

John Robert was born when his own father was 28.

So for J.R. Derbyshire - atheist, 28.

John Derbyshire himself claims religion, and was born when his dad was almost 46, so...

for John Derbyshire - religious, 46.

That ought to throw things off course!

Anonymous Daniel August 23, 2012 5:26 PM  

Oops. John Derbyshire's dad should be listed at 45, not 46.

Anonymous WinstonWebb August 23, 2012 5:30 PM  

WinstonWebb: agnostic, 19

Anonymous Daniel August 23, 2012 5:39 PM  

...and now that I think of it, Derbs should be listed as an agnostic even though technically he culturally identifies with the Anglican Church (weakly, if at all anymore).

So agnostic, 46.

And thus ends the the Tri-Part Confusion of John Derbyshire's Faith or Lack Thereof.

Anonymous Emperor of Icecream August 23, 2012 5:47 PM  

**I think, based on the very small number of atheist replies compared to their more active presence on other threads, you have it backwards.**

Fair point.

**Moreover, you don't seriously think that this methodology is one I would utilize to attempt proving anything, do you?**

Bad methodology is bad methodology. I don't care much what you intend to do with it.

Anonymous kman August 23, 2012 5:58 PM  

Religious - 27

Blogger James Higham August 23, 2012 6:08 PM  

Yep, probably time to give it a rest in my case.

Anonymous nordicthunder August 23, 2012 6:32 PM  

religious - 23

Anonymous stg58 August 23, 2012 6:43 PM  

stg58 - Baptist - 44 oldest of 5. next three brothers are absolute lunatics, youngest sibling, sister is also Baptist (my dad was 55 when she was born) and most similar to myself.

My dad was the exception to the rule. He started off as an orthodox Jew in the Bronx in 1932, then at Columbia went through his objectivist phase in the 1950's with Alan Greenspan. Became an atheist for a few years, then became one of the JBS' primary speakers and writers. That led him to my mom (aged 24 when I was born), a Primitive Baptist from Pasadena, Texas. After they married, my dad slowly became a Christian, and was baptized in a country pond in East Texas. He isn't around anymore to be interviewed about his awesomeness, sorry Vox, but he was a big fan of yours.

Anonymous tinlaw August 23, 2012 6:53 PM  

religious - 19

Anonymous Don August 23, 2012 6:58 PM  

religious - 20

Anonymous daddynichol August 23, 2012 7:20 PM  

religious - 30

Anonymous servant August 23, 2012 7:37 PM  

formerly agnostic, now believer father was 37
brother formerly Catholic, now born again same father only 40

Anonymous Anonymous August 23, 2012 7:42 PM  

religious - 50

Blogger Lucas August 23, 2012 7:43 PM  

Lucas - Religious - 24

Blogger Michael E August 23, 2012 8:14 PM  

religious - 22

Anonymous Anonymous August 23, 2012 8:17 PM  

von Fackenheim, atheist, 39

Anonymous RC August 23, 2012 8:22 PM  

Believer - 18

Anonymous MendoScot August 23, 2012 8:22 PM  

Religious - 41

Anonymous castricv August 23, 2012 8:26 PM  

Religious - 26

Anonymous Curlytop August 23, 2012 8:43 PM  

Christian, youngest of two,
older sister(Christian) - 25
me- 29

I think the daddy issue variable has a lot of merit. There's a common saying that the way a person views their earthly father has a correlation with how they view their Heavenly Father. While it isn't full-proof, I note 9/10 people I know w God issues definitely have daddy issues: male and female.

Anonymous Michael August 23, 2012 9:05 PM  

Hope I'm not too late.

Religious, father was 27 when I was born.

Anonymous George August 23, 2012 9:19 PM  

If this little theory were true, it would be an outstanding reason for men to wait until they are older to father children.

Anonymous George August 23, 2012 9:20 PM  

Oh...Sorry

Me: Non-religious
Father: 27

Anonymous Daniel August 23, 2012 9:32 PM  

Bad methodology is bad methodology. I don't care much what you intend to do with it.

Then you are an idiot about information gathering. Methodology is determined by the intention.

Anonymous bix nood August 23, 2012 9:47 PM  

me (religious) - 29
sister (religious) - 36

Anonymous No_Limit_Bubba™ August 23, 2012 9:49 PM  

@Suomynona

Nice catch. Not sure what I was thinking...

Mea culpa.

Anonymous bix nood August 23, 2012 9:50 PM  

also, these two are very interesting:

girlfriend (religious) - 43
best friend (religious) - 49

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