Sunday, August 19, 2012

Mailvox: a subscription, canceled

A former Gary North subscriber writes to share his experience:
I joined a few months ago in hopes of learning why I should believe in free trade. Dr. North and I immediately locked horns as he would not answer my questions. Every time I cited another scholar's position he dismissed them as a statist or a mercantilist.

He said I wanted to stick a gun in someone's belly. I was stunned at his behavior. So I cancelled my subscription.

Only recently did I discover your ongoing debate with him over free trade. What a pleasure to see an intellect of your capacity dismantle Gary North for the intellectual fraud that he is.
Not only are the economics better here, but it's really hard to beat the price. As for North, one shudders to consider the psychosexual foundation for what appears to be his favorite metaphor. And for those who still find the free trade position entirely convincing, I hope you will note that unlike its defender, I am quite willing to answer questions concerning the subject.

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Anonymous tviper August 19, 2012 5:02 PM  

shudders, indeed. I still read his articles on Lew Rockwell, but with a giant grain of salt.

Anonymous kh123 August 19, 2012 5:03 PM  

"He said I wanted to stick a gun in someone's belly."

He forgets to add the horns, tail, and cackling in graveyards at night.

Anonymous LES August 19, 2012 5:43 PM  

Yes, thank you, Vox.


Anonymous DW August 19, 2012 6:07 PM  

A possible conversation that might scandalously rise to the surface In the future:

Gary North: "I bet you wanna just stick a gun in that guys ass, don't you?!"
Man: "No...not at all, actually, why would I--?,
Gary North: "Don't lie, you statist! I can see the lust for violence in your eyes. You can't wait to pound--I, I mean 'point'--your gun in that guys ass!"
Man: ????

In all honesty, before this debacle of a debate, I used to enjoy reading Gary Norths articles, even if I disagreed with a lot of his writings. Now? Its pathetic, and his constant resorting to credentials is irritating in the third degree.

Anonymous Suomynona August 19, 2012 6:16 PM  

Scare tactics and shaming are two of the most useful propaganda tools for controlling people and still be considered a good guy concerned for doing the right thing. If those don't work then of course the ally mask comes off and it's threats, intimidation, underhanded tactics - anything's game at that point.

I don't believe Mr. North would hesitate to approve sticking a gun in the belly of anyone who stood in the way of free trade.

Anonymous Suomynona August 19, 2012 6:19 PM  

Correction: that is, "would NOT hesitate"

Anonymous Suomynona August 19, 2012 6:19 PM  

Wait, I was right the first time. Never mind. Yikes.

Anonymous Outlaw X August 19, 2012 6:21 PM  

"Money for Nothing - Chicks for free". ~ Dire Straits.

there for free trade.

Anonymous Outlaw X August 19, 2012 6:22 PM  


Anonymous No_Limit_Bubba™ August 19, 2012 6:39 PM  

Is it just me (operater related issue) or has Autocorrect become more aggressive of late?

I'm using a 'droid.

Anonymous Doppelganger 天皇 tennō August 19, 2012 6:49 PM  

You silly Americans! Know you not of "Golden Lily" and "Black Eagle?" You cerebrally masturbate over so-called -- free trade, and your open borders, but have no clue whatsoever as to what really drives your monetary policy. Understand this first, then all others come to focus, properly...

Anonymous Outlaw X August 19, 2012 6:54 PM  

Mark Knopfler was one of the most brilliant song writers there ever was, and if you don't think he understood economics just look at the lyrics of "Telegraph Road."

Anonymous Idle Spectator, Economist Extraordinaire August 19, 2012 7:10 PM  

I don't really think Gary North is an intellectual fraud, I just think he's getting into his "Honey, what is the blue pill for again, prostate or blood pressure?" stage of his life.

Anonymous zen0 August 19, 2012 7:13 PM  

Not only are the economics better here, but it's really hard to beat the price. VD, VoxDay Blogspot, 2012.

The price of admission: your mind. HH, Steppenwolf, 1927.

Anonymous zen0 August 19, 2012 7:17 PM  

Doppelganger 天皇 tennō August 19, 2012 6:49 PM

More like a Doppelspammer tenn0......

Anonymous Idle Spectator Channels Gary North Through Séance August 19, 2012 7:24 PM  


Back in my day we used typewriters for our Ph.D. and we liked it! You kids today with your logs. Just logging in everyday on topics and commenting. Get off my free trade lawn you bastard.

I like Ike.

Blogger Exarch August 19, 2012 7:40 PM  

"how ill favoradly do gray hairs become a fool" --Shakespeare, Henry IV

Anonymous Flinders August 19, 2012 7:54 PM  

In light of all of this, I like it how his website is called, "Specific Answers".

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 19, 2012 7:58 PM  

Gary North - economic retardism dovetailing with his theological retardism.

Anonymous Idle Spectator Channels Gary North Through Séance August 19, 2012 8:20 PM  

WAIT VOX! WAIT! Let me calculate this free trade thingy with my modeling skills.

A gallon of gas is 25 cents...

And a pair of tennis shoes is 5 dollars...

Assume the white population of the United States is 90%...

Carry the 7 and round... YES YES YES! IT works.

Blogger tz August 19, 2012 8:31 PM  

The crucial matter is whether the law - rights, contracts - are intrinsic to 'free' trade across 'invisible lines (the Rio Grande isn't), or not.

If he means he wants to be free to obtain stolen merchandise, or get a price that reflects dumping toxic waste into the river sickening and killing people without someone with a gun saying no, he is talking about a different thing entirely.

Perhaps someone should take all his copyrighted material and put it on a server "across the invisible border" and claim 'free trade' when he complains.

Anonymous Salt August 19, 2012 11:36 PM  

I've seen Ilk draw blood on someone, but this is pure vampire. North better stay out of the sun and away from garlic bread.

Anonymous A.Handle August 20, 2012 12:37 AM  

"Scare tactics and shaming are two of the most useful propaganda tools for controlling people and still be considered a good guy concerned for doing the right thing..." - Suomynona

Excellent points and you just described how the typical badge gang member corrals the sheeple. Ironic that.

Vox, the badge gang is at it again and this time in the vid it appears their victim is actually walking away. "Saginaw, Michigan police shooting of homeless man 45 shots.".

Anonymous Noah B. August 20, 2012 1:50 AM  

I had never heard of Gary North before he was mentioned on here recently, but having read excerpts of his work, I'm surprised he could make a living by selling subscriptions to his nonsensical rants.

Blogger Morrison August 20, 2012 6:52 AM  

VOX, what is North's favorite metaphor?

And what is the psychosexual motivation you referred to?

Blogger Morrison August 20, 2012 6:56 AM  

By the way, VOX, I am ashamed to admit that my family got very involved in North's Y2K debacle.

I despise North utterly...your intellectual take down of his incompetence is great therapy to me.

Anonymous VD August 20, 2012 7:27 AM  

VOX, what is North's favorite metaphor? And what is the psychosexual motivation you referred to?

He is very fond of referring to people wanting to stick their guns in other people's bellies. I leave it to you to consider why that might be.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza August 20, 2012 7:34 AM  

North has been around for long time, its no surprise he finally received some criticism for his op-eds.

Anonymous Josh August 20, 2012 10:06 AM  

He is very fond of referring to people wanting to stick their guns in other people's bellies. I leave it to you to consider why that might be.

He's a calvinist, he probably just thinks that God is the one sticking the gun into someone's belly.

Which is even more disturbing.

Anonymous John Regan August 20, 2012 3:19 PM  

He's got his hard core followers, but I think I'm glad I don't know any of them:

Anonymous John Regan August 20, 2012 3:25 PM  

@Noah B:

True it is astonishing that he makes any money at all on his writing, though I believe he was an early starter in the "newsletter" scam business; his other source of revenue, so far as I have been able to glean from his writings, is running a chain of day care centers, profiting from the destruction of America's families.

Not a pretty picture.

Anonymous JP (Real One) August 20, 2012 4:22 PM  

I know someone who runs a day care center inspired by North and it's anything but "destruction of the family." The children, some of whom are non-Christians, learn the Bible, obedience and how to read at a very young age. These are kids that would be sent to a private day care no matter what...why not an explicity Christian one that does a better job?

Please do a little due diligence before you spew such garbage, OK?

As for his biggest source of income, he got in on cell phone space way back in the 1980s. Granted, it may be the only investment idea of his that really panne out, but he (and subscribers who followed him) did hit that goldmine.

I have my share of disagreements with Dr. North, but this kind of hack job sounds like the crap from the "scholars" at the SPLC.

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Anonymous John Regan August 20, 2012 8:18 PM  


I'm sure there are rationalizations and justifications for aiding and abetting parental abdication. Especially maternal abdication. The fact remains, he's willing to profit from, and thereby encourage, a worrisome social trend. If he profited from pornography because he was nicer to the women involved and gave them a dose of the bible would you defend that?

North is essentially misanthropic, and that's his core, not his professed Christianity, which is quite a different thing entirely.

Though I'm sure nobody can tell him that.

Blogger R. Bradley Andrews August 21, 2012 4:55 AM  

The service that hosts his twice a week email sends out quite a bit of "get rich quick" type mails. Interesting stuff from Agora, but the email promotions are pretty horrid.

I still would like to know how your (VD) anti-free trade position deals with the issue of who makes the rules. Or point me to the comments where it was discussed after I stopped following them.

I am certainly not arguing in favor of free trade, but I think the alternative is just as bad. Kind of like types of governments....

Anonymous Anonymous August 24, 2012 11:53 PM  

When I told him his site was not worth the subscription fee, he said:

"You have no idea how much money I make every day.  

It is enormous."

Anonymous John Regan September 11, 2012 10:00 AM  


In case you missed it, North is off the deep end on another topic:

Not that I'm an Obama fan by any means, but his fixation here is just nuts. Pathological.

Perhaps it's better not to engage at all or mention him further, but I thought you might like to know what he's up to when it follows pretty closely in time your own posts about North.

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