More data please
The initial results of the religion and paternal age survey have been intriguing, so much so that it may justify a more methodical investigation into the hypothesis. However, we need a bit more information in order to tease out the strength of an effect called the demographic confound.
So, if you don't mind answering the following questions, please do so, but keep the following instructions in mind: Answer only for yourself. Not your siblings, your children, or your parents. Also, Anonymous responses will not be counted.
Name. (Not real name, just make something up so we can keep things straight.)
Birth year.
Age of father at birth
Age of mother at birth
Sex (M/F)
Parents married through age 18 (Y/N)
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability. (1-7). The milestones are as follows:
1. Strong theist. 100 per cent probability of God. In the words of C.G. Jung: "I do not believe, I know."
2. De facto theist. Very high probability but short of 100 per cent. "I don't know for certain, but I strongly believe in God and live my life on the assumption that he is there."
3. Leaning towards theism. Higher than 50 per cent but not very high. "I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God."
4. Completely impartial. Exactly 50 per cent. "God's existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable." Agnostic.
5. Leaning towards atheism. Lower than 50 per cent but not very low. "I do not know whether God exists but I'm inclined to be skeptical."
6. De facto atheist. Very low probability, but short of zero. "I don't know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there."
7. Strong atheist. "I know there is no God, with the same conviction as Jung knows there is one."
Science thanks you for your assistance.
So, if you don't mind answering the following questions, please do so, but keep the following instructions in mind: Answer only for yourself. Not your siblings, your children, or your parents. Also, Anonymous responses will not be counted.
Name. (Not real name, just make something up so we can keep things straight.)
Birth year.
Age of father at birth
Age of mother at birth
Sex (M/F)
Parents married through age 18 (Y/N)
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability. (1-7). The milestones are as follows:
1. Strong theist. 100 per cent probability of God. In the words of C.G. Jung: "I do not believe, I know."
2. De facto theist. Very high probability but short of 100 per cent. "I don't know for certain, but I strongly believe in God and live my life on the assumption that he is there."
3. Leaning towards theism. Higher than 50 per cent but not very high. "I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God."
4. Completely impartial. Exactly 50 per cent. "God's existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable." Agnostic.
5. Leaning towards atheism. Lower than 50 per cent but not very low. "I do not know whether God exists but I'm inclined to be skeptical."
6. De facto atheist. Very low probability, but short of zero. "I don't know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there."
7. Strong atheist. "I know there is no God, with the same conviction as Jung knows there is one."
Science thanks you for your assistance.












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1 – 200 of 323 Newer› Newest»Shimshon
1966
28
23
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N
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Pete, 1961, 36, 29, M, Y, 1.
DarcsFalcon
1964
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34
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N
1
MEM
1976
24
25
M
Y
1
DC
1993
28
27
Y
1
Foster
1989
39
34
M
Y
1
JDC
1969
23
23
M
N
1
cannibal_animal
1990
36
36
M
Y
2
D'elba 1957 33 30 M Y 1
rycamor
1965
26
25
M
Y
2
N5
1963
21
20
Yes
1
N5 is male
Coyote
1987
36
23
M
Y
2
tdm
1942
24
19
M
Y
1
Number_Six
1962
24
25
M
Y
1
DannyR
1952
41
23
M
Y
1
papaul. 1960, 25,23, M, No(14), 3.75
1948
29
26
M
N
1
Nic, 1962, 20, 22, M, No, 1
Rantor
1964
24
39
N
1
Rantor, was your father really 15 years younger than your mother? And also, are you M or F?
antonym
1988
41
26
m
y
5
willneverpostagain
1960
24
22
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Y
1
1993
38
36
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N
3
1974
29
29
M
Y
1
JACIII
1965
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21
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y
2
1960
28
23
M
Y
1
VryeDenker
Birth year : 1982
Age of father at birth : 25
Age of mother at birth : 27
Sex (M/F) : M
Parents married through age 18 (Y/N) : N (divorced at 12, dad deceased at 19)
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability : 1 (2 during my teens).
Steve Canyon
1974
33
28 (27, but turned 28 2 weeks later)
M
Yes
2
Remir
1991
47
41
M
Yes
1
Amir
1967
23
18
M
N
1
Fred
1954
42
39
M
Y
1
1981
38
37
M
Y
1
I'm adopted.
1960
late twenties
mid twenties
M
Yes
1
My natural parents were college kids at time of birth, lower twenties.
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Vox, you are on the right goal but wrong substance. The Enlightenment was mostly a movement of atheists. In noticing the movers and shakers, none of them except J.S. Mills, had a father connection. They lived lives of roaming (leaving home early), their father died early, non-existent childhood. It is obvious to me that atheists have father issues. But I don't think it is age related but the lack of - or abusive relationship with father.
Looks like the '90s: there are no women on the internet.
Name: Keb
Birth year: 1980
Age of father at birth: 29
Age of mother at birth: 28
Sex (M/F): F
Parents married through age 18 (Y/N): Y
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability. (1-7): 2
Red
1967
24
24
M
N
1
RC
1960
18
17
M
Y
1
Titus
1976
38
32
M
Y
1
Just Mark
1964
47
37
Sex (M/F) M
Parents married through age 18 (Y/N) Y
1
Name: Sharon
YOB:1967
F: 37
M: 39
S: F
My father died when I was 17; however they were still married.
TP: 1
Salt
DOB: '53
F: 32
M: 28
S: M
M>18: N
TP: 1
1. Clint
2. 1969
2. 27
3. 22
4.Male
5. Yes
6. 1
BN
1979
21
19
M
Y
1
Josh
1985
34
30
M
Y
1
Name. Mr. B.A.D.
Birth year. 1979
Age of father at birth 23
Age of mother at birth 22
Sex (M/F) M
Parents married through age 18 (Y/N)N
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability. 7
SarahsDaughter
1975
33
29
F
No (Divorced when I was 6, Mother died when I was 17)
1
oops, erased the wrong number. Im a 1
Jim,
1967
23
23
M
Y
1
Pigskinner
Birth year.- 1957
Age of father at birth-44
Age of mother at birth-43
Sex Male
Parents married through age 18 Yes
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability. - 1
Paradox
Birth year: 1977
Age of father at birth: 27
Age of mother at birth: 17
Sex: M
Parents married through age 18: Y
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability: 2
However, I was raised by my grandparents starting at age 3.
Age of step grandfather at birth: 53
Age of grandmother at birth: 38
Parents married through age 18: N
ridip
1965
21
21
M
Y
1
I actually debated answering 1 or 2 because I don't like speaking in absolutes. Could there be no God? Theoretically Yes, but I don't see how. Is there no God? The chances are vanishingly small. 5 9's or better.
I agree with Paul on this, "If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable."
William
1960
24
23
M
Y
1
Name: Paul
Birth year: 1976
Age of father at birth: 22
Age of mother at birth: 20
Sex (M/F): M
Parents married through age 18 (Y/N): N
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability: 1
Name: Sam the Man
Birth year: 1964
Age of Father at Birth: 35
Age of Mother at Birth: 30
Sex: Male
Parents married through 18: Y
Strength of Belief: 2
Name: Dennis
Birth year: 1959
Age of father at birth: 29
Age of mother at birth: 25
Sex (M/F): M
Parents married through age 18 (Y/N): Y (still married)
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability: 1
Name: Speaker
Birth year: 1986
Age of father at birth: 36
Age of mother at birth: 35
Sex (M/F): M
Parents married through age 18: Y
Strength of beliefs: 6
DW
1989
26
29
M
Y
1
MEC
1956
34
31
Male
yes
1
RP
1970
25
24
M
Y
2
Name: GunBarrelAg
Birth year: 1973
Age of father at birth: 27
Age of mother at birth: 22
Sex (M/F): M
Parents married through age 18: Y
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability. (1-7): 6
Name: MK
Birth year: 1961
Age of father at birth: 33
Age of mother at birth: 30
Sex (M/F): M
Parents married through age 18 Y/N): Y
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability: 3
Mike M.
1963
24
19
M
Y
2
1971
24
25
M
Y
1
Jay S.
1976
44
24
M
Y
7
1965
24
22
M
Y
1
Log
1975
18
18
M
N
1 (former 7)
correction... damn dyslexia...
Paradox
Birth year: 1977
Age of father at birth: 27
Age of mother at birth: 17
Sex: M
Parents married through age 18: NO
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability: 2
However, I was raised by my grandparents starting at age 3.
Age of step grandfather at birth: 53
Age of grandmother at birth: 38
Parents married through age 18: Yes
Name. David
Birth year. (1979)
Age of father at birth (died before my birth - age 26)
Age of mother at birth (age 27)
Sex (M)
Parents married through age 18 (N, due to death of father)
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability. (1)
Winston Smith
1959
28
27
M
N
1
Bocafan
1954
27
25
M
Y
2
Name. qwerty987
Birth year.1953
Age of father at birth. 52
Age of mother at birth.30
Sex (M/F). M
Parents married through age 18 (Y/N). Y Father deceased at my age 6
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability. 1
Nick
58
26 (not 24 as in prior survey)
21
M
Y
1 (only rational explanation)
Name. FP
Birth year. 1977
Age of father at birth 40
Age of mother at birth 30
Sex M
Parents married through age 18 No
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability: 3
1979
39
32
M
Y
2
Name. CMC Ultra
Birth year. 1967
Age of father at birth: 29
Age of mother at birth: 29
Sex: M
Parents married through age 18: Yes.
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability: 1
Moose
1965
25
24
M
Y
1
Name: Junior G
Birth Year: 1968
Age of father at birth: 25
Age of mother at birth: 24
Sex: M
Parents married through age 18: Yes
Strength of belief: 1
Peregrin
1958
27
24
M
Y
1
DaveD
1972
Dad:34
Mom:38
Male
No
1, maybe an occasional 2.
Whtbread
1982
25
24
M
N
1
scotto
1953
28
25
male
yes
1
bix nood
1985
29
34
M
Y
2
gwani
1991
31
29
F
Y
1
Rapunzel
1979
27
22
F
Y
1 (with a reservation similar to Ridip's)
Lulabelle
1964
24
22
female
yes
1
Faust
1984
33
34
M
No
1
Daniel
1987
36
32
M
widowed
1
Gracie
1963
31
27
F
Y
1
Rally
1970
21
21
M
No
3
Ryan
1974
28
25
M
Y
6
Karen
1960
25
24
Female
Yes
2
Karen
1961
26
24
F
Y
1
scroos
1965
18
18
M
Y
1
Mr. Nightstick
1979
29
27
M
Y
2
David
1949
24
24
M
Y
2
Vandelay
1985
30
30
M
Yes
5
TontoBubbaGoldstein
1965
26
26
M
No (Divorced @ 3 years old)
Varies between 5 & 6.....
IT'S SCIENCE, DAMMIT!
El Borak
1966
22
20
M
Y
1
Joshua_D
1977
18
18
Male
No.
1
snowdog
1965
21
19
M
N
4
LES
Birth year: 1948
Age of father at birth: 24
Age of mother at birth: 18
Sex: M
Parents married through age 18: N
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability: 1
691
1986
30
31
M
Y
6
MJC
1973
36
27
M
Y
1
Peregrin
1958
27
24
M
Y
1
Ken in Louisville
1982
27
24
M
Y
7
fatherof10
1967
25
25
m
y
1
passinthrough: YOB:1960 Father's age: 22 Mother's age:21
Sex:F Married Y Scale=1
SlackAttack
1987
24
22
M
Y
2
Name. Frank Brady (I don't care to be anonymous)
Birth year. 1942
Age of father at birth: 29
Age of mother at birth: 21
Sex (M/F): M
Parents married through age 18 (Y/N): Y
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability: 1
And I "know" because of some life-experiences that are otherwise inexplicable.
Esw
1970
16
14
M
Y
1
name: dudemanhey
birth year: 1981
father's age: 36
mother's age: 29
sex: Male
parents married thru 18: No
belief strength: 1
Nebo
1970
23
25
Male
Yes
1
name: steveo
birth year: 1959
father's age: 31
mother's age: 36
sex: Male
parents married thru 18: Till death did them part (Y)
belief strength: 1
I find it amusing that some idiot seriously thinks I can't see how he's trying to salt the data. I mean, pattern recognition is my thing....
Name. SharpsKC
Birth year. 1977
Age of father at birth 26
Age of mother at birth 30
Sex (M/F) N
Parents married through age 18 (Y/N) N (divorce when I was 11)
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability. 5
For what its worth AQ tested last year at 34
Fatso McGraw
1969
26
24
M
Y
1
stevev
1958
32
30
Male
Yes
1
Name: dixiedog
Birth year: 1965
Age of father at birth: 27
Age of mother at birth: 22
Sex (M/F): M
Parents married through age 18: N
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability. (1-7): 1
Brian
1983
22
21
Male
No (Divorced when I was 4; Rarely saw my dad.)
1
Solemn
1987
25
21
Male
Yes
1
Orville
28
27
M
N
1
Marcus
1974
44
45
Male
Yes
6
CJ
1976
33
31
M
Parents married through age 18: Y
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability: 2
BW
1985
39
39
M
Y
1
Marcus Update: I made a mistake. My religious indicator should be a 2. I thought you were running them from atheist to believer, not the other way around!
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Tonya
1970
18
18
Female
Y
1
Name. Gacierdude
Birth year. 1960
Age of father at birth. 24
Age of mother at birth. 21
Sex (M/F). M
Parents married through age 18. (N)
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability. 1
Remo
1970
29, 28
Male
NO
Strength of belief - 1 there is absolutely a sovereign GOD.
Leterren, 1992, 31, 33, M, Y, 1
SCP
1970
26
23
M
Y
1
Celeriac
1986
27
27
F
Y
1
Noah B.
1978
27
22
M
Y
4 (This is somewhat of an arbitrary answer -- I don't know how to rationally assign a probability metric to the likelihood of God's existence. A better answer would be, I have no idea how likely it is that God exists.)
Name--jwshell
Birth year--1961
Age of father at birth--22
Age of mother at birth--19
Sex--M
Parents married through age 18 (Y)
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability--1
JAQ
1956
25
21
M
Y
1
BrentG
1971
29
22
M
Y (still married)
1
Name: Baseball Savant
Birth Year: 1977
Age of father at birth: 36
Age of mother at birth: 21
Sex-M
Parents married through age 18: Yes
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability - 1
Whoops, JAQ was me.
just read through the comments. In case you were wondering VD, yes my father was 15 years older than my mother at the time I was born.
JI
1965
33
33
M
No
2
Name: T. Parker
Birth Year: 1965
Age of Father at Birth: 29
Age of Mother at Birth: 26
Sex: M
Parents married through age 18: Y
Strength of belief on the SoTP: 1
CCD
1979
22
21
M
No
1
- realmatt
- 1985
- 30
- 25
- M
- No
- 4
For the record, I am inclined to believe the connection, if there is one, has more to do with a legitimacy, certainty and a father's connection to and embodiment of both.
Name: Aviendha
Birth Year: 1974
Age of Father at Birth: 28
Age of Mother at Birth: 26
Sex: M
Parents married through age 18: N; divorce at 13
Strength of belief: 1
cave horse
1969
22
21
M
N
2
John B.
1953
Father: 26
Mother: 27
M
Y
6
Alat
1982
Father: 21
Mother: 21
M
Y
6
Name: Ib Meritor
Birth year: 1966
Age of father at birth: 36
Age of mother at birth: 33
Sex (M/F): M
Parents married through age 18 (Y/N): Y
Strength of belief on the SoTP: 1
tviper
1970
27
25
M
Y
1
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Rico
57
35
35
m
n
1
wuzrobbd
1965
29
23
M
N
1
Joe Sensei
85
23
21
M
Y
1, Soli Deo Gloria
ApolloK
1984
23
20
M
N
2 (5 during those teen years)
Name. Scott
Birth year. 1979
Age of father at birth 29
Age of mother at birth 30
Sex (M/F) M
Parents married through age 18 (Y/N) Y
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability. (1-7). 2
Nick P
1990
30
28
M
N
1
Redlegben
1971
30
28
M
Y
1
ThirdMonkey
1979
Father 25
Mother 22
Male
Y
1
Giraffe
1974
dad 36
mom 32
male
Y
2
Julie
1966
Dad 41
Mom 40
F
Y
1
Lamarck
1987
26
17
M
N
6
Ain
1977
22
19
M
Y
1
Gustavo
1950
30
29
M
Y
1 Almighty God Creator of the Universe
Like Frank Brady above, my experiences have proved that God exists and he loves us.
Snickers
1986
32
30
M
Y
1
wrf3, 1955, 32, 29, M, N, 2
GmBH
1971
33
24
Male
N
1
Castricv
1979
26
22
M
Y
1
Pyro
1984
39
40
M
Y
2
Yuanti,
1984,
Father: 31,
Mother: 29,
Sex: M,
Married thorugh 18: Yes,
Belief: 1
duckman
1957
25
23
M
Y
1
Leatherwing
1964
36
31
M
Y
1
whoschad
1980
32
25
M
Y
1 (up from a 6 a decade ago)
Baseball Savant
August 26, 2012
1:18 PM
just read through the comments. In case you were wondering VD, yes my father was 15 years older than my mother at the time I was born.
He was 10 years older at the time of their marriage, 12 years older as the time of Savant's conception, and is now 23 years older than the mother of his son.
;)
WinstonWebb
1975
19
20
M
Y
5
Buckeyecopperhead
1970
29
23
M
Y
1
1. Strong theist. 100 per cent probability of God. In the words of C.G. Jung: "I do not believe, I know."
Name. Res Ipsa
Birth year. 1972
Age of father at birth 23
Age of mother at birth 21
Sex (M/F) M
Parents married through age 18 (Y/N)Y (still married today 43 + years)
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability. 1
Incidental info:
Father has a post grad degree
Mother is an RN.
Myself, brother and sister all have advanced degrees as well. We all attended private christian schools as kids. We all earned at least our first degree at Christian colleges. All of us are married to our first and only spouse too.
ODG
'72
25
24
M
Y
1
Name. mmaier2112
Birth year. 1972
Age of father at birth 20
Age of mother at birth 21
Sex (M/F) M
Parents married through age 18 (Y/N) Y
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability. (1-7) 2
Former 6, if it matters in the least.
And I'm with ridip on the last answer. But even though my fears are fleeting and ridiculous given the gifts I've experienced, I do still have my moments of doubt.
And there are a LOT more 1's than I'd have expected, too.
First Time
1957
28
21
F
Y
1
ChillyWilly
1968
30
28
M
y
2
1946
30
22
M
Y
1
Donald
1947
30
24
M
Y
2
GregLH
1979
29
27
M
Y
1
Birth year. 1962
Age of father at birth 22
Age of mother at birth 20
Sex (M/F) M
Parents married through age 18 (Y/N) Y
Strength of belief on the Spectrum of Theistic Probability. (1-7). The milestones are as follows: 1
LP9
1980 even though I should have been born in 1890.
Father: 30
Mother: 30
Female
Y
# 1 - we all love the Lord.
I dunno Vox, I think your readership and like minded may skew the data. I bet you already figured that though.
J. J.
1968
26
23
M
Y
1
Panelvan
1981
35
32
N (father died @ 17.6 years; otherwise would be Y)
6
Panelvan
Correction to above:
Panelvan
1981
35
32
N
2
Hi Vox!
I filled it up at Susan's but I didn't knew it was more detailed here so I will add my data here, feel free to ignore the one at HUS:
Anacaona
1978
27
23
F
Y
1
CrazyBob
1969
27
27
M
Y
1
Evans
1962
23
24
M
Y
1
Panelvan says:
Shit, I am hungover.
Male
Andre
1979
40
26
M
N
2
Samgar
1982
21
19
Sex M
Parents married through age 18 (Y)
Strength of belief 1-2
An Average American
1959
33
31
Male
N
5
Maiken430
1970
26
26
F
Y
1
Gladys Stout-Pamphlet
1971
24
21
F
N
1
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