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Thursday, August 16, 2012

The vibrant conundrum

A Cincinnati man violates the Derbyshire Principle and pays the price:
Pat Mahaney was walking home Saturday with a six-pack of beer, looking forward to a quiet evening watching sports, when something hit him in the back of the head.

“The next thing I knew I woke up on my neighbor’s front step and the life squad was there,” the 45-year-old North College Hill resident said Wednesday.

Six teenagers “were just bored and were looking for something to do,” a police report said, when they ambushed Mahaney as he turned off Simpson Avenue onto Dallas Avenue. He was immediately knocked unconscious.
The report says "The first five arrestees were: twin brothers Tyree and Terrell Mizzell, Lamont Champion and Daquan Cain, all 13-year-olds; and Michael E. James, 14." Remarkably, it is even noted deep within the text that "the suspects are black".

The problem is that there is simply no easy and politically acceptable solution to the challenge presented by these bored young savages. They are still not civilized after more than 150 years of full immersion in quasi-European civilization and the historical pattern suggests they cannot be for at least another six to eight centuries. It increasingly appears they never will be, given the demographic and economics patterns that indicate European civilization in the Americas is much more likely to collapse than survive in its present form. Partition and segregation is probably the optimal post-collapse outcome at this point.

In the USA, and to a lesser extent in England, European civilization has been noticeably degraded in the last thirty years by African culture. This process can only continue, given the birth demograpics, and a melange of African, Hispanic, and European culture is the most probable outcome if the expected collapse does not occur. Such melanges can be positive, after all, the mix of Celtic, Saxon, Danish, and Norman cultures produced America in its original form. But something on the order of Brazil is probably a best case scenario, which anyone familiar with the South American nation would probably agree is at least a step or two downward, its soccer, supermodels, and samba notwithstanding.

Now, European culture will likely win out again in the North American continent, but after retreating to a post-collapse rump and going through a long revitalization process. We've seen both the Germans and the Russians go through the first part of this after WWII and the collapse of the Soviet Union, respectively, and now it appears the American turn is approaching.

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Anonymous Stilicho August 16, 2012 6:05 AM  

Economic collapse tends to focus priorities. It will probably speed the process as tribal loyalties become more important for survival. It's a fascinating regression in some ways: Lockean republic--Rousseauesque socialism--Hobbesian jungle.

Anonymous Musashi August 16, 2012 7:44 AM  

Perhaps a difficult and politically unacceptable solution will determine the fate of America. Crazier things have happened.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box August 16, 2012 7:45 AM  

The most destructive element in European culture in North America has been the influences of Vaticanism, Khazakh graft & bribery, and its metastazation into atheistic doperism & fagitry: Blame blacky all you want, but before he drove the car over the cliff, we handed him the keys & climbed in the passenger side!

Anonymous Luke August 16, 2012 7:53 AM  

Well, I'm doing my part towards getting set up for national partition.
My employer (OK/TX) has lost contracts for the forseeable future to the point I've had to look for work elsewhere.

I've turned down a job in California, and have not even bothered to look close to home (live in NW FL/S AL area). Instead, I have obtained an interview for next week with a company that does lots of work in ND/MT; if they offer me a job at a reasonable rate of pay, I'll accept it, and move my family up there in the first half of next year. (If they don't, I'll keep looking, already having other similiar irons in the fire.)

There's really not much I'll miss about down here that's not available up there (OK, the fruit and produce, but that ships OK til Peak Oil/end of the US dollar hit home more completely). The people I care about are nearly all old as h*ll, with predictable if sad results in just a few years. In the meantime, our children will grow up essentially as native-borns of the northern Rockies, with area home.

James Rawles has it right.

http://www.survivalblog.com/redoubt.html

Anonymous Michael Maier August 16, 2012 8:25 AM  

They ARE savages and while it's probably a failing as a Christian to say so, they're going to deserve to be mown down by cops, soldiers and homeowners tired of their rampaging idiocy.

I just wish they'd all had "colourful" names. Though the "Michael" tossed in at the end reminds me of this YT video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCdmiZyyGjQ

Blogger Joshua_D August 16, 2012 8:29 AM  

Galt-in-Da-Box August 16, 2012 7:45 AM

Blame blacky all you want, but before he drove the car over the cliff, we handed him the keys & climbed in the passenger side!


I'm starting to get a bit tired of this infinitely regressive blame chain. This excuse was used on the DEFCON thread as well. "It's not the women's fault! It's the white man's fault who allowed women in!" "It's not Africans' fault! It's the white man who let them in the country!"

I don't think these excuses hold water. If invite let a new friend over for dinner, and he gets drunk and burns down the house, are you going to blame me? Did I not due enough due diligence in researching his past and arsonist tendencies? Maybe. But, it's not my fault. I didn't get drunk and burn down the house.

Those kids, they are responsible for their actions. Their parents are responsible.

There is a tendency lately in some of the comments here and on other blogs where we expect people to have perfect future knowledge of all the ramifications of "X" and then blame them for acting on imperfect, limited, human knowledge.

Anonymous No_Limit_Bubba™ August 16, 2012 8:31 AM  

Luke,

You WILL miss mild, panhandle winters.

Anonymous Athor Pel August 16, 2012 8:31 AM  

"...and now it appears the American turn is approaching."


If the country doesn't get nuked to wasteland first.

Anonymous sparky la rue August 16, 2012 8:40 AM  

If invite let a new friend over for dinner, and he gets drunk and burns down the house, are you going to blame me?

No, but if you kidnapped your new friend and brought him to your house in chains and then he did the above, I would in fact blame you.

Anonymous No_Limit_Bubba™ August 16, 2012 8:40 AM  

Joshua_D:

If you invite a new friend over, who is a known drunk with pyromaniacal tendencies, and he gets drunk and burns down your house...
you are, at the least, partly culpable.

Take up the "White Mam's Burden", boy!

Blogger Markku August 16, 2012 8:45 AM  

No, but if you kidnapped your new friend and brought him to your house in chains and then he did the above, I would in fact blame you.

More like your ancestor kidnapped his ancestor and brought him to his house.

Anonymous Mr Green Man August 16, 2012 8:48 AM  

What's the historical horizon on that? If I could find a way to blame the Turks, Romans, or Assyrians, would that get me off the hook? Say instead I had relatives who died ending said chain condition- will you be offering dispensation for that?

Funny they didn't do this savagery before it all got explained to them about the slavery get out of jail free card ten generations back.

Blogger Joshua_D August 16, 2012 8:51 AM  

sparky la rue August 16, 2012 8:40 AM

If invite let a new friend over for dinner, and he gets drunk and burns down the house, are you going to blame me?

No, but if you kidnapped your new friend and brought him to your house in chains and then he did the above, I would in fact blame you.


Blah, blah blah. Like Markku said, I didn't kidnap anybody. And my ancestors, as far as I am aware, didn't kidnap anyone either. We were poor Appalachian folk.

Also, past injustices simply don't justify unlimited future injustices.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation (Ben) August 16, 2012 9:01 AM  

It's interesting that you mention how African culture has degraded European culture. I think you can see that in such a profound way in music.
Thirty years ago, white guys my age were mostly into "white music" like rock, country, metal, and some pop. Fast forward thirty years and most guys my age (I'm 25) are into rap, hip-hop, and pop. The new rock no one listens to because it's depressing and monotonous garbage.

Blogger Bob August 16, 2012 9:03 AM  

"James Rawles has it right."

Yep. I've been looking around in tho areas he talks of and the Twin Falls area is presently at the top fo the list, lots af water(Snake River), surrounded by farming, commercial center for the area, well south and west of the Yellowstone super volcano, fairly decent weather.

Racial makeup of the city is 92.0% White, 0.5% Black, 0.9% Native American, 1.0% Asian. Illegals apparently haven't found the area yet.

On the Livability.com list of "Top Ten Cities to Defy Death", Twin Falls ranked #1.

Still looking tho.

Anonymous redsash August 16, 2012 9:12 AM  

Luke: Being retired I've contemplated moving to Destin, but the four grandkids have their roots in middle Tn. I'd miss them too much. I love NW Fla. The pretty blue-green waters, the climate a conservative population. Surely there are fairly good paying jobs there. Try Tallahassee, hold your nose and go for a govt job.

Anonymous Michael Maier August 16, 2012 9:15 AM  

Going OT, but...

FUBAR Nation: "The new rock no one listens to because it's depressing and monotonous garbage."

If you get your music cues from radio and pop culture, you deserve the garbage you hear.

There's tons of amazing stuff in any genre off the beaten path. More than I can keep up with. YouTube helps you find it free, Amazon makes it easy to buy.

Anonymous sparky la rue August 16, 2012 9:15 AM  

More like your ancestor kidnapped his ancestor and brought him to his house.

Agreed, but we are talking about "blacky" and "whitey" in general and not about Jousha_D specifically.

If one is going to talk about a race in general, one cannot then retreat to "yeah, but I didn't do nuthing!!"

Anonymous RedJack August 16, 2012 9:16 AM  

Growing up, we disliked the Swedes (my people are Saxons). Why? I guess it came from the 30 years war. 400 years ago.

People get stuck in patterens. The American blacks will not like anyone because of slavery, even African blacks (whom they see as to "white" for coming here willingly).

Blogger Joshua_D August 16, 2012 9:24 AM  

sparky la rue August 16, 2012 9:15 AM

If one is going to talk about a race in general, one cannot then retreat to "yeah, but I didn't do nuthing!!"


One can retreat to "My family didn't import slaves, nor did most of white America," when you bring up slavery as a motivator young blacks committing a whole hell of a lot of crime.

American slavery has nothing to do with the issue, other than being an excuse. The Hispanics flooding our country weren't slaves, yet their increasing numbers are having similar effects.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation (Ben) August 16, 2012 9:26 AM  

Michael Maier August 16, 2012 9:15 AM

Going OT, but...

FUBAR Nation: "The new rock no one listens to because it's depressing and monotonous garbage."

If you get your music cues from radio and pop culture, you deserve the garbage you hear.

There's tons of amazing stuff in any genre off the beaten path. More than I can keep up with. YouTube helps you find it free, Amazon makes it easy to buy.


I'm talking about the mainstream music scene. Did you know that in 2010 only one rock song made the charts and it was by a band that shouldn't be considered pop, not rock?

Of course there's good music out there at the local scene. My point is that there's nothing good in the mainstream scene when there used to be.
I just find it strange to see whites trying to act like black ghetto trash and act in a dysfunctional way by dress and the way they act.

When did a lot of white people find it cool to act like black trash? 20 years ago?

Anonymous sparky la rue August 16, 2012 9:35 AM  

One can retreat to "My family didn't import slaves...

And that's fine, but its just another place your analogy fails since you are now saying that "you" didn't bring (willingly or unwillingly) anyone into your home.

Anonymous Fred August 16, 2012 9:37 AM  

If you notice the flash mobs of lawlessness in the last 18 months, 99% of the violence and theft is done by African Americans. The sad part is that real Africans that come to America for work are so much more American than native born African Americans, it defies description.

Blogger Spacebunny August 16, 2012 9:53 AM  

The sad part is that real Africans that come to America for work are so much more American than native born African Americans, it defies description.

What BS. The people of MN would like to have a word with you about the local, just off the boat, Somali population.

Anonymous Stilicho August 16, 2012 9:57 AM  

One can retreat to "My family didn't import slaves...

And that's fine, but its just another place your analogy fails since you are now saying that "you" didn't bring (willingly or unwillingly) anyone into your home.


Horseshit. Slavery has nothing to do with it. They act the same in Africa and anywhere else that they can get away with it. Curiously, they do not act that way in Arab countries, even though the Arabs have been enslaving them for millennia. Of course, it difficult to go on looting sprees with one or more hands chopped off.

Anonymous JI August 16, 2012 10:07 AM  

Is all of this just the result of the Civil Rights Movement? I have an impression that America was much better/stabler/whateveryouwanttocallit, during, say, the 1880's through the 1940's. So what changed?

Anonymous Dr. J August 16, 2012 10:08 AM  

What BS. The people of MN would like to have a word with you about the local, just off the boat, Somali population.

Hey, a little sex slavery never hurt anyone. Plus, it's really helped bring down housing costs in certain parts of Minneapolis!

Anonymous VD August 16, 2012 10:09 AM  

When did a lot of white people find it cool to act like black trash? 20 years ago?

It started with Run DMC. You can see the whole thing in a nutshell in the Walk This Way video. Because, let's face it, folding your arms and striking a pose actually is cooler than Steven Tyler's ludicrous prancing.

Rap and Hip-Hop are literally killing music in that there is no longer any melody or lyric. They're parasitical forms of "music" that overly rely on other forms of music to exist. The ultimate example of this is Li'l Kim in the Moulin Rouge remake. At the end, when each singer is called out, all she can do grunt "uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh". She literally can't do anything else because she can't even sing.

Anonymous Anonymous August 16, 2012 10:24 AM  

What BS. The people of MN would like to have a word with you about the local, just off the boat, Somali population.

The Somalis are also Muslim...there was a similar problem with Somali youth causing trouble in Ottawa, Canada (government town and very PC). It was actually noted that they did not respect women in their culture and many were from single parent (read mother) homes.

Seems to have quieted down somewhat...maybe not enough of them...



Anonymous Anonymous because the truth could get me fired August 16, 2012 10:28 AM  

The sad part is that real Africans that come to America for work are so much more American than native born African Americans, it defies description.

What BS. The people of MN would like to have a word with you about the local, just off the boat, Somali population.


True. I've known African immigrants who were very hard working, nice people, but with low impulse control and short time horizons. Same basic problems. Their children will probably be just like any other "African American".

Blogger WATYF August 16, 2012 10:36 AM  

Blame blacky all you want, but before he drove the car over the cliff, we handed him the keys & climbed in the passenger side!

I'm starting to get a bit tired of this infinitely regressive blame chain. This excuse was used on the DEFCON thread as well. "It's not the women's fault! It's the white man's fault who allowed women in!" "It's not Africans' fault! It's the white man who let them in the country!"


I'm might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's not what he was saying. He wasn't saying that the Africans are innocent or that they should be excused. He was saying that whitey does even WORSE things to harm the nation (i.e. the aforementioned "Vaticanism, Khazakh graft & bribery, and its metastazation into atheistic doperism & fagitry"). Correct me if I'm wrong, Galt.

Now, I may not agree with his assessment that the worst ill perpetrated against this country is "Vaticanism", but he does have a point. After all, the US isn't about to collapse because of black riots or random black muggings. It's about to collapse because whitey sold out to the globalists and relaxed his moral standards and his adherence to his religious roots.


WATYF

Anonymous FUBAR Nation (Ben) August 16, 2012 10:39 AM  

VD August 16, 2012 10:09 AM

"When did a lot of white people find it cool to act like black trash? 20 years ago?

It started with Run DMC. You can see the whole thing in a nutshell in the Walk This Way video. Because, let's face it, folding your arms and striking a pose actually is cooler than Steven Tyler's ludicrous prancing.

Rap and Hip-Hop are literally killing music in that there is no longer any melody or lyric. They're parasitical forms of "music" that overly rely on other forms of music to exist. The ultimate example of this is Li'l Kim in the Moulin Rouge remake. At the end, when each singer is called out, all she can do grunt "uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh". She literally can't do anything else because she can't even sing."


I think you're right about that, being also that you were around then. I get a good laugh every time I hear a rap song that relies on sampling of some classic rock or 80's rock artist. Jay Z is another one who had a big hit by sampling The Police's Every Breath You Take.

You are 100% right about how rap and hip hop are parasitical and killing music. There are no more mainstream rock bands that can be listened to with the possible exception of Muse, because they can't write and there's no melody. Mainstream rock is dead and they now call pop bands like Train rock.

I guess I notice this because my favorite form of music is melodic rock and metal. When you're listening to Yngwie Malmsteen play awesome melodic solos, George Lynch of Dokken shred, Tom Scholz of Boston belt out amazing riffs, or Dimebag Darrell of Pantera play, and then you listen to some modern rap or hip hop you wonder if you're living in some mud hut in Africa roasting and eating a prisoner of a rival tribe that was raided.

Blogger Joshua_D August 16, 2012 10:43 AM  

sparky la rue August 16, 2012 9:35 AM

"One can retreat to "My family didn't import slaves..."

And that's fine, but its just another place your analogy fails since you are now saying that "you" didn't bring (willingly or unwillingly) anyone into your home.


Alright then, I'll change that to "One can retreat to "I didn't import slaves ..."

Is that better for you? Slavery still has nothing to do with the issue.

Blogger Ingemar August 16, 2012 10:43 AM  

Interesting that people bring up the negrification of music.

It seems to me that in every generation staring with the Silents, parents have been complaining about the degeneracy of new music (starting with jazz, ending with this current generation of rap and hip hop). All of those musical genres are black-inspired (jazz, blues, doo-wop, rock and roll, R&B, rap and hip hop).

And while most of us can say we're fans of one of those earlier accretions, can really disagree with the degradation of music? It's come to the point that even soft stuff on family friendly stations have to be edited. And the lifestyles of these music celebrities, white or black, don't exactly inspire strong personal or family values.

OpenID 7cf1414c-e7b1-11e1-80ba-000bcdcb2996 August 16, 2012 10:48 AM  

"Thirty years ago, white guys my age were mostly into "white music" like rock, country, metal, and some pop."

That is so dumb. Your "white music" had it's origins in rhythm and blues and black gospel. Even the banjo was a West African instrument. There would be no metal if it hadn't been for the likes of Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix, and the old blues guys.

I'm a rock and pop historian geek, so I just had to chime in.

Blogger Joshua_D August 16, 2012 10:56 AM  

WATYF August 16, 2012 10:36 AM

I'm might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's not what he was saying. He wasn't saying that the Africans are innocent or that they should be excused. He was saying that whitey does even WORSE things to harm the nation (i.e. the aforementioned "Vaticanism, Khazakh graft & bribery, and its metastazation into atheistic doperism & fagitry"). Correct me if I'm wrong, Galt.

Now, I may not agree with his assessment that the worst ill perpetrated against this country is "Vaticanism", but he does have a point. After all, the US isn't about to collapse because of black riots or random black muggings. It's about to collapse because whitey sold out to the globalists and relaxed his moral standards and his adherence to his religious roots.


I understand what you're saying and what Galt is saying, but it isn't applicable in this post, not to mention the fact that the average whitey has done less to harm this "nation" than the average blackie has done to attack the average whitey and blackie.

The point is, the post isn't about the collapse, or who cause it, or who is to blame. The point is that current African culture in the USA seems to be degrading, and what will more civilized people do post collapse?

Galt is bringing up an irrelevant distraction. Sure, the whitey elites have caused the collapse. Of course, the whitey elites and average whiteys built the nation to start with, so if anyone has the right to collapse it, the whitey's do.

Anonymous Clay August 16, 2012 10:57 AM  

Spacebunny August 16, 2012 9:53 AM The sad part is that real Africans that come to America for work are so much more American than native born African Americans, it defies description.

What BS. The people of MN would like to have a word with you about the local, just off the boat, Somali population.


Come to think of it....just how the hell do all those Somalians get here? By boat? What boats?

Anonymous Desert Cat, Tacky Redneck August 16, 2012 10:58 AM  

You want "white music"? You better be listening to Mozart, Beethoven and company. Maybe Brian Eno's ambient stuff. Most everything else has black roots.

Blogger Joshua_D August 16, 2012 10:59 AM  

7cf1414c-e7b1-11e1-80ba-000bcdcb2996 August 16, 2012 10:48 AM
"Thirty years ago, white guys my age were mostly into "white music" like rock, country, metal, and some pop."

That is so dumb. Your "white music" had it's origins in rhythm and blues and black gospel. Even the banjo was a West African instrument. There would be no metal if it hadn't been for the likes of Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix, and the old blues guys.

I'm a rock and pop historian geek, so I just had to chime in.


Are you a classical music historian as well? Who was Mozart getting his inspiration from? I don't think it was Chuck.

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Blogger Joshua_D August 16, 2012 11:01 AM  

Desert Cat, Tacky Redneck August 16, 2012 10:58 AM

Most everything else has black roots


No, I don't think it does. A blues/rock scale, is based on major/minor scales of western classical music. Of course, I'm not well versed in the history of music, so I'll reserve the right to be wrong.

Blogger Desert Cat August 16, 2012 11:04 AM  

The blues scale is pentatonic. It is not the major or minor scale of western classical music. Neither am I a music historian, but I'd be interested if someone who is might point to the origins of the pentatonic scale.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation (Ben) August 16, 2012 11:07 AM  

7cf1414c-e7b1-11e1-80ba-000bcdcb2996 August 16, 2012 10:48 AM

"Thirty years ago, white guys my age were mostly into "white music" like rock, country, metal, and some pop."

"That is so dumb. Your "white music" had it's origins in rhythm and blues and black gospel. Even the banjo was a West African instrument. There would be no metal if it hadn't been for the likes of Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix, and the old blues guys.

I'm a rock and pop historian geek, so I just had to chime in."


I wasn't talking about the roots of any music. I put white music in quotations to make the point that rock and metal is viewed as white music and rap and hip hop is viewed as black music.
Go to a rock concert and 99% of the people there are white. Go to a rap concert and most of the people are black.

Blogger Joshua_D August 16, 2012 11:08 AM  

I concur. I'm kind of interested now. Anyone know of a good book on the history of music?

Blogger Desert Cat August 16, 2012 11:11 AM  

There's a snippet here that discusses the origins of the blues scale in early Afro-American culture:
Pentatonic Blues Origins

Anonymous Clay August 16, 2012 11:15 AM  

Hmmm. Might be time for Old Joe to get the Heave-ho

OpenID 7cf1414c-e7b1-11e1-80ba-000bcdcb2996 August 16, 2012 11:16 AM  

"Are you a classical music historian as well? Who was Mozart getting his inspiration from? I don't think it was Chuck."

The guy was talking rock, not 18 Century classical.

In the day, many folks and parents were appalled by Elvis doing what they called " race music". They also thought it was the end of Western Civilization.

OpenID 7cf1414c-e7b1-11e1-80ba-000bcdcb2996 August 16, 2012 11:21 AM  

"I wasn't talking about the roots of any music. I put white music in quotations to make the point that rock and metal is viewed as white music and rap and hip hop is viewed as black music."

Gotcha.

Blogger Rhology August 16, 2012 11:21 AM  

Tyree and Terrell Mizzell, Lamont Champion and Daquan Cain

I would never have guessed they were black, even from their names.

Anonymous VD August 16, 2012 11:26 AM  

That is so dumb. Your "white music" had it's origins in rhythm and blues and black gospel.

You mean those black musicians using instruments and technology invented by Europeans? I've yet to see a rapper record without a microphone. Obviously there was black influence on American popular music, but the important thing to note about rap and hip-hop is that there is very little white influence on it, except for the melodies copied to serve as the chorus. There is a big difference between black-influenced white music and black rhythm noise.

Another generation in this direction and I wouldn't be surprised if they lost the parasitical bit and simply went back to rhythmic rhyming while thumping on logs. We're already seeing extended drum solos where the piano or keyboard solo once went.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation (Ben) August 16, 2012 11:26 AM  

7cf1414c-e7b1-11e1-80ba-000bcdcb2996 August 16, 2012 11:16 AM

"Are you a classical music historian as well? Who was Mozart getting his inspiration from? I don't think it was Chuck."

"The guy was talking rock, not 18 Century classical.

In the day, many folks and parents were appalled by Elvis doing what they called " race music". They also thought it was the end of Western Civilization."


Listen to Yngwie Malmsteen, Kamelot, and other melodic rock and metal acts. Their influence comes from western classical music, much more so than blues.

Anonymous VD August 16, 2012 11:28 AM  

In the day, many folks and parents were appalled by Elvis doing what they called " race music". They also thought it was the end of Western Civilization.

And now we can clearly see that it appears to have been a step in that direction. Probably not a significant one, but they instinctively grasped the connection.

Blogger john August 16, 2012 11:34 AM  

Here's a true story. A woman comes in to register her child at the hospital. There is a new patient information system in place. The project manager of that system is called about an emergency. "Why in the world am I being called about an emergency?" Normally, IT project managers aren't called on technical issues. This was a technical and a political issue. When she gets over to the clinic, she is informed that the system won't accept the patient's name. The mother is in the corner, glowering and ready to blow her stack. The PM asks, "Well what's the problem?" Staff: "The system won't accept the first name."

As any good software programmer knows, there are validation checks on input fields. Certain words are usually flagged as invalid. Slang and curse words are not usually allowed in well-designed systems.

PM: "So what's the name?"
Staff: "Phonetically, it is pronounced, "
PM: "I see. How is it spelled?"
Staff: "Shithead Johnson"
PM: "You're kidding me!"

About this time the mother blows her stack. "I don't know what the problem is!! It's shi-theed, shi-theed!!"

PM: "Ma'am, Your child's name is Shithead. We have to make an exception here in the system."

Anyone want to guess the race?

What MORON would name their kid Shithead and not think that people are going to have an issue with it? Shi-theed? Really?!?

I hope this got a laugh from the ilk...

Blogger john August 16, 2012 11:35 AM  

Sorry about a line in the previous post. It should have read,

Staff: "Phonetically, it is pronounced "shi-theed"

Anonymous Josh August 16, 2012 11:39 AM  

Dat computer be raciss

Anonymous Clay August 16, 2012 11:39 AM  

VD August 16, 2012 11:26 AM Another generation in this direction and I wouldn't be surprised if they lost the parasitical bit and simply went back to rhythmic rhyming while thumping on logs. We're already seeing extended drum solos where the piano or keyboard solo once went.

I love watching those old Tarzan movies, where the native bearers on the safari all join in for a rousing chorus of "Boo-wally-wally-wally, boo-wally-wally-wally". (Apparently, all the tribes in Africa knew this particular little ditty).

Anonymous Sojourner August 16, 2012 11:50 AM  

So the Pilgrims got the hell out of England for religious freedom, and early form of white flight if you will. My question is, can we do this again. Find a nation like Uruguay (Derb is always extolling its virtues) relatively peacefully overwhelm the population and just take over? Considering there is no New World yet and terraforming Mars is still way too far off I'd like to think there's a place to NOT worry about how everything is bad news and the only good news is, indeed, the Gospel. Also, the idea of a man made floating island like that one dude wants to build sounds too much like Bioshock's Rapture for my enjoyment.

Blogger WATYF August 16, 2012 11:50 AM  

Galt is bringing up an irrelevant distraction.

Irrelevant? meh. Tangential, at worst. And it that's the "real" reason that you disregarded his comment, then you should have said so in the first place, instead of bringing up some (truly) irrelevant analogy about inviting someone over for dinner. :o)

WATYF

Blogger Joshua_D August 16, 2012 11:52 AM  

Desert Cat August 16, 2012 11:11 AM

There's a snippet here that discusses the origins of the blues scale in early Afro-American culture: Pentatonic Blues Origins


Hmm ... I don't think that snippet counts.

Anonymous Sojourner August 16, 2012 11:52 AM  

Need to remember to read my stupid posts over again before I hit submit. Trying to think after yesterday's liquid fast is more difficult then normal.

Blogger Joshua_D August 16, 2012 11:53 AM  

WATYF August 16, 2012 11:50 AM

Galt is bringing up an irrelevant distraction.

Irrelevant? meh. Tangential, at worst. And it that's the "real" reason that you disregarded his comment, then you should have said so in the first place, instead of bringing up some (truly) irrelevant analogy about inviting someone over for dinner. :o)

WATYF


How about we just agree to disagree.

Blogger WATYF August 16, 2012 11:55 AM  

Vox said: Another generation in this direction and I wouldn't be surprised if they lost the parasitical bit and simply went back to rhythmic rhyming while thumping on logs. We're already seeing extended drum solos where the piano or keyboard solo once went.

Could you clarify this? I seem to recall there was a time in the past when a large amount of "white" music included extensive drum solos. :^D

WATYF

Blogger WATYF August 16, 2012 11:56 AM  

How about we just agree to disagree.

Translation: "How about I not admit that I misunderstood his comment".

Sure... fine by me. :^D

WATYF

Blogger Markku August 16, 2012 12:02 PM  

If one is going to talk about a race in general, one cannot then retreat to "yeah, but I didn't do nuthing!!"

No white person alive did that. And still the negros TODAY are killing us in a ridiculously disproportionate rate. They were even given their own goddamned country (Liberia) where they could go seek their fortunes, if they didn't like where they had ended up because of the previous generations.

Blogger Markku August 16, 2012 12:05 PM  

Well, actually at least one white person did: Michael Moore. But that is somewhat beside the point.

Anonymous Sheila August 16, 2012 12:05 PM  

Much of what is claimed as "black music" is based on old English/Scottish/Irish folk songs and music, adapted to newer instruments and, as such music remained isolated from its source, gradually evolving into distinctly American folk songs and country music. Same goes for other purportedly black inventions, such as "steppin" (take a look at country American "flat footing" and its roots in Scottish/Irish dancing).

I ask again, undismayed, in a slight variant, what purpose do blacks serve in Western civilization? In the development of any art form, government system, scientific breakthrough, or even animal husbandry? What purpose (utilitarian or other) do they serve in the universe?

Blogger Joshua_D August 16, 2012 12:05 PM  

WATYF August 16, 2012 11:56 AM
"How about we just agree to disagree."

Translation: "How about I not admit that I misunderstood his comment".

Sure... fine by me. :^D

WATYF



Alright then WATYF, please explain to me how this post from Galt ...


Galt-in-Da-Box August 16, 2012 7:45 AM

The most destructive element in European culture in North America has been the influences of Vaticanism, Khazakh graft & bribery, and its metastazation into atheistic doperism & fagitry: Blame blacky all you want, but before he drove the car over the cliff, we handed him the keys & climbed in the passenger side!


is relevant or tangential to this point by Vox ...

The problem is that there is simply no easy and politically acceptable solution to the challenge presented by these bored young savages. They are still not civilized after more than 150 years of full immersion in quasi-European civilization ...

... patterns that indicate European civilization in the Americas is much more likely to collapse than survive in its present form. Partition and segregation is probably the optimal post-collapse outcome at this point.

In the USA, and to a lesser extent in England, European civilization has been noticeably degraded in the last thirty years by African culture.


How is pointing out that, "Hey Whitey is also responsible!" relevant to the fact that African culture is adding to the degradation?

Anonymous Mr. Nightstick August 16, 2012 12:11 PM  

Are there any good books on the process of civilizing people? Has anyone explained how we went from painting our butts blue to walking on the moon? It might be good to study so that we can start civilizing these barbarous people.

Blogger ajw308 August 16, 2012 12:11 PM  

What purpose (utilitarian or other) do they serve in the universe?
Entertainment? Will Smith and Samuel L. Jackson are, I think, the top 2 grossing actors and they do add some panache to the NFL.

Anonymous VD August 16, 2012 12:12 PM  

Could you clarify this?

Watch any pop video with a big drum solo in the middle accompanied by what WATYF has fittingly described as "rousing chorus of 'Boo-wally-wally-wally, boo-wally-wally-wally'"

There appears to be an inverse relationship between the amount of melody in a pop song and the number of dancers in the video.

Anonymous Poli_Mis August 16, 2012 12:15 PM  

More on the music thread above,

You can see some historical complaints but you need to read between the lines just a bit in this famous "Tatters of Jive" quote.


" WHAT have you done to my child, the radio broadcast ? He was conceived as a potent instrument for culture, fine music and the uplifting of America's mass intelligence. You have debased this child, dressed him in rags of ragtime and tatters of jive and boogie-woogie."
This is Dr. de Forest, the 74 year old " father " of American broadcasting, addressing the sponsors of commercial radio who flood the continent from coast to coast with the noise of their advertising interspersed, as Dr. de Forest says, with recorded " Music " of the type he condemns.

"of the type he condemns."

Blogger Desert Cat August 16, 2012 12:17 PM  

Wally-wally-wally-wally World!

ai yi yi...

Anonymous Mrs. Pilgrim August 16, 2012 12:33 PM  

Drum solos are the downfall of Western civilization.

No, really. They lead to use of nunchucks.

Anonymous Anonymous August 16, 2012 12:38 PM  

"Are there any good books on the process of civilizing people? Has anyone explained how we went from painting our butts blue to walking on the moon? It might be good to study so that we can start civilizing these barbarous people."

Plenty of black babies have been born in America (with zero cultural ties to Africa) for decades now. Were they taught to be freedom loving, soveriegn individuals or were they given American Slave Culture and taught to know their place within this culture?

Anonymous Weak August 16, 2012 12:46 PM  

Instead of pointing to Run DMC and hip hop, it would be more accurate to peel the onion and say white culture is mimicking the ostentatious Alpha behavior of the hip hop scene. If the women are being drawn to hip hop's Alpha behavior, then the men will start to mimic it. Isn't that the entire basis behind Roissy et al's commentary?

OpenID 7cf1414c-e7b1-11e1-80ba-000bcdcb2996 August 16, 2012 12:53 PM  

"Listen to Yngwie Malmsteen, Kamelot, and other melodic rock and metal acts. Their influence comes from western classical music, much more so than blues."

Yngwie said that it was Hendrix that made him want to start playing guitar.

Vox, as in any music genre, there is the good, the bad and the ugly. Have I not read that you are a fan of Public Enemy (or did I just make that up)? A lot of what they play on the radio (minus college and some public stations) is certainly the ugly.

I bet their were some grandpas that thought the techno sound of your old band was the electronic version of thumping on logs.

Blogger ajw308 August 16, 2012 12:55 PM  

Were they taught to be freedom loving, soveriegn individuals or were they given American Slave Culture and taught to know their place within this culture?
Or have they reverted to tribal warfare as they form up in gangs?

Anonymous zeonxavier August 16, 2012 12:57 PM  

Meh.

While I don't doubt racial differences exist, I doubt they can be blamed to this extent. I'll quote Walter Williams from an article here:

http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/williamns021512.php3

"Over the past couple of decades, I've attended neighborhood reunions. I've asked whether any of us recall classmates who couldn't read, write or perform simple calculations, and none of us does."

Undermining pre-existing cultural standards seems to have worked for the left wing social engineers. Ann Coulter's column today (I still read her occasionally) mentioned how to manipulate mobs.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter081612.php3

"Le Bon's 1896 book, "The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind," was carefully read by Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini in order to learn how to incite mobs. Our liberals could have been Le Bon's study subjects."

The failure to adequately civilize young people seems like an intentional strategy on the part of the left. They need an easily manipulated mob to perform their social engineering on, and one that will insure them a reliable voting base.

However, I doubt they will be able to contain their experiment once their failed policies ensure they can no longer feed their mob. No doubt, this is not a new insight to most of you here, it just irked me to see this behavior chalked up to racial variation.

Blogger Joshua_D August 16, 2012 12:57 PM  

Desert Cat August 16, 2012 12:17 PM

Wally-wally-wally-wally World!

ai yi yi...


Awesome. Such melody. Such rhyme. Such ass shaking!

Anonymous Lysander Spooner August 16, 2012 1:03 PM  

"there is simply no easy and politically acceptable solution to the challenge presented by these bored young savages"

Yes there is, it is known on the Periodic Table as "Pb".

Anonymous FUBAR Nation (Ben) August 16, 2012 1:09 PM  

7cf1414c-e7b1-11e1-80ba-000bcdcb2996 August 16, 2012 12:53 PM

"Listen to Yngwie Malmsteen, Kamelot, and other melodic rock and metal acts. Their influence comes from western classical music, much more so than blues."

Yngwie said that it was Hendrix that made him want to start playing guitar.


Do you deny the classical music influences in Yngwie's music?

Anonymous Josh August 16, 2012 1:09 PM  

I ask again, undismayed, in a slight variant, what purpose do blacks serve in Western civilization? In the development of any art form, government system, scientific breakthrough, or even animal husbandry? What purpose (utilitarian or other) do they serve in the universe

College football. Duh.

Anonymous VD August 16, 2012 1:18 PM  

Vox, as in any music genre, there is the good, the bad and the ugly. Have I not read that you are a fan of Public Enemy (or did I just make that up)? A lot of what they play on the radio (minus college and some public stations) is certainly the ugly.

Yes, I do like Public Enemy. What I like is irrelevant. I am still capable of seeing the simplification and decline.

I bet their were some grandpas that thought the techno sound of your old band was the electronic version of thumping on logs.

Well, one of the things I didn't like about the studio versions was that we went to a simpler rave beat. But despite the percussive melody lines, our pop techno incorporated an amount of harmony and was generally more complex than the average guitar band with four instruments. I don't think you understand that I was speaking literally. I mean music is now headed for literal grunting and log-thumping.

Anonymous JP (real one) August 16, 2012 1:21 PM  

Yngwie Malmsteen? Talented? Yes. Pleasing to listen to? Yeah, about as much as a rat orgy.

Gimme Leo Kottke on a 12-string any day over that "neo-classical" nonsense. Leave that in the 80s--back in a smoke-filled room with a bunch of D&D stoner nerds and a Ouija Board.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation (Ben) August 16, 2012 1:24 PM  

JP (real one) August 16, 2012 1:21 PM

"Yngwie Malmsteen? Talented? Yes. Pleasing to listen to? Yeah, about as much as a rat orgy.

Gimme Leo Kottke on a 12-string any day over that "neo-classical" nonsense. Leave that in the 80s--back in a smoke-filled room with a bunch of D&D stoner nerds and a Ouija Board."


I'm going to have to look into Leo Kottke. Thanks.

OpenID 7cf1414c-e7b1-11e1-80ba-000bcdcb2996 August 16, 2012 1:25 PM  

Do you deny the classical music influences in Yngwie's music?

No not at all. And you can't deny, and from his own mouth, the influence of Hendrix.

Face it, other than the classical composers, we owe much of our musical tastes - whether it be rock, country,dance, jazz, pop, etc) to the African slave.

Anonymous Edjamacator August 16, 2012 1:25 PM  

Desert Cat August 16, 2012 12:17 PM

Wally-wally-wally-wally World!

ai yi yi...

Awesome. Such melody. Such rhyme. Such ass shaking!


I dare say it's bound to be a new American classic.

Shame is, at first I thought it was going to be a parody. I still kind of hope it is, but I have a sinking feeling that it isn't. Kind of sums up everything about black culture, though, or what they laughably refer to as "culture."

Blogger The Dawn, the Sky, and the Sun August 16, 2012 1:42 PM  

You may not see this as much where you are Vox, but where I live Christian rap is the big thing now among church-going teenagers. Is that a sign of decline in the Church as well?

OpenID 7cf1414c-e7b1-11e1-80ba-000bcdcb2996 August 16, 2012 2:11 PM  

"I don't think you understand that I was speaking literally. I mean music is now headed for literal grunting and log-thumping."

Yes, and I think the growing popular log-thumping is now Euro (trash) - house ala Swedish House Mafia, David Guetta, etc.
They are as white as you can get. And so is the MDMA (or whatever is the latest designer drug is) audience.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation (Ben) August 16, 2012 2:23 PM  

7cf1414c-e7b1-11e1-80ba-000bcdcb2996 August 16, 2012 1:25 PM

"Do you deny the classical music influences in Yngwie's music?

No not at all. And you can't deny, and from his own mouth, the influence of Hendrix.

Face it, other than the classical composers, we owe much of our musical tastes - whether it be rock, country,dance, jazz, pop, etc) to the African slave."


I don't deny Hendrix's influence. He was one of the greatest rock stars to live. I wish blacks today would try to play music like his instead of rap and hip hop.

Can you back up what you're saying about owing almost all music to the African slave? Provide me a source please (book, article, etc.) Thanks.

Blogger James Dixon August 16, 2012 2:33 PM  

> ...whether it be rock, country,dance, jazz, pop, etc) to the African slave.

I don't recall Hendrix ever being a slave.

Anonymous Mark in Florida August 16, 2012 2:44 PM  

50 years ago black male head of household and white male head of household employment rate was the same, 50 years ago black out of wedlock birthrate was about 20 plus percent and the white rate was about 5 percent, now the black rate is 75% and the white rate is over 25%, the difference is the media for many years has glorified gang culture, deviancy and irresponsibility making it look attractive and the media celebrates all this, who owns and controls the media? In addition to the government programs that promote decadence, the Drug War etc, are bringing out the worst in all ethnic groups, ie Republican politicians

Anonymous Discard August 16, 2012 2:46 PM  

Joshua D: I recommend that you read Ian Whitcomb. If you're old enough, you may remember his minor hit "You Turn Me On", circa 1965. Dreadful. But, he's an adult now, and a scholar of popular music.
BTW, he is not racially aware, so there is some nonsense to endure in his work.

OpenID 7cf1414c-e7b1-11e1-80ba-000bcdcb2996 August 16, 2012 2:50 PM  

Can you back up what you're saying about owing almost all music to the African slave? Provide me a source please (book, article, etc.) Thanks.

From the not always correct Wiki - but I could site every American music history book

"The influence of African Americans on mainstream American music began in the 19th century, with the advent of blackface minstrelsy. The banjo, of African origin, became a popular instrument, and its African-derived rhythms were incorporated into popular songs by Stephen Foster and other songwriters. In the 1830s, the Second Great Awakening led to a rise in Christian revivals and pietism, especially among African Americans. Drawing on traditional work songs, enslaved African Americans originated and began performing a wide variety of Spirituals and other Christian music. Many of these songs were coded messages of subversion against slaveholders, or that signaled escape.
During the period after the Civil War, the spread of African-American music continued. The Fisk University Jubilee Singers toured first in 1871. Artists including Morris Hill and Jack Delaney helped revolutionize post-war African-American music in the central-east of the United States. In the following years, the Hampton Students and professional "jubilee" troops formed and toured. The first black musical-comedy troupe, Hyers Sisters Comic Opera Co., was organized in 1876.[2]
By the end of the 19th century, African-American music was an integral part of mainstream American culture."



Anonymous feral1404 August 16, 2012 2:54 PM  

"Face it, other than the classical composers, we owe much of our musical tastes - whether it be rock, country,dance, jazz, pop, etc) to the African slave."

Nonsense. For one simple example the slack key guitar of the paniolo cowboys of Hawaii was born of English-speaking North Americans, Mexicans, Portuguese, Filipinos, Tahitians, and Samoans. And the origins were actually Spanish.

"Rock, country, dance..." sloppy categories. My Russian grandmother amused us by playing the balalaika to the radio strains of polka, which is both country AND dance.

Two examples of many, and nary a black in sight.

Try harder.

Anonymous Sojourner August 16, 2012 2:55 PM  

"Go to a rock concert and 99% of the people there are white. Go to a rap concert and most of the people are black."

Except for the Niggas in Paris video, seems like they were mainly white in that concert video (don't watch if you have a susceptibility to epileptic seizures.)

Personally I could never get into the electronic guitar in anything classical. Just ruins the product. The closet I ever found to liking music that was some kind of cross between old opera and modern music (electronica or the sort) was Emma Shapplin. Too bad she only did two albums and was gone after that. (Edite after typing that...holy crap she came out with a new album! Gotta check it out.)

Anonymous Anonymous August 16, 2012 2:56 PM  

I think a second civil war is imminent.

Blogger Vox August 16, 2012 2:56 PM  

Is that a sign of decline in the Church as well?

Most likely.

Anonymous Sojourner August 16, 2012 2:59 PM  

Also...Christian Rap....hate most of it and the only artist that remotely seems to understand how to properly mix the two is Lecrae. But now we're delving more into tastes then anything. POD gets hated on a lot (and probably rightly so) but I just love the energy of their music and there's still enough a message. But I will totally admit to having a bit of an aggressive streak that gets excited by Muse, POD and other artists.

Anonymous Cat McClusky August 16, 2012 3:06 PM  

I bought LL Cool J's album "Radio" when it came out in 1980 or '81. I was flat out blown away by it's stripped-down, minimalist combination of rapid-fire rhyming and raw percussion. Then came other favorites; Run DMC, Big Daddy Kane, Grandmaster Flash, Kool Moe Dee. At that time I was simply into the music, their wasn't any dressing up, no silly street thug posing, no copping an attitude.
Then rap began to change. After the "gansta rap" era the hip-hop genre seemed to have descended into unimaginative, lazy, cliche-ridden dreck. The music sounds like what you might expect given that the song creators are stoned out of their skulls 24/7.

Blogger Markku August 16, 2012 3:15 PM  

The music sounds like what you might expect given that the song creators are stoned out of their skulls 24/7.

Nothing that Auto-Tune can't fix...

Anonymous Sojourner August 16, 2012 3:17 PM  

Reporting back on Shapplin's last album....holy crap they (or she) RUINED HER! Music is dead to me now.

OpenID 7cf1414c-e7b1-11e1-80ba-000bcdcb2996 August 16, 2012 3:18 PM  

Slack key is beautiful, but to compare it's influence to Boogie-Woogie, Ragtime, Jazz, Blues, etc on modern American music is nutty. Remember our early rock icons stole from, Louis Jordan, Chuck Berry and Little Richard.

We Rock Around the Clock not Polka Around the Clock

Anonymous Clay August 16, 2012 3:23 PM  

7cf1414c-e7b1-11e1-80ba-000bcdcb2996 August 16, 2012 2:50 PM Drawing on traditional work songs, enslaved African Americans originated and began performing a wide variety of Spirituals and other Christian music.

See there? You can trace it all back to the "Boo-wally-wally-wally" song. The beginnings of music, as we know it today.

Anonymous Beau August 16, 2012 3:27 PM  

OT

"My daddy is in jail," blurted out the young boy as his mother filled out his application to join our Troop 316 of Boy Scouts. After a brief awkward pause our seventeen year old Senior Patrol Leader came over, placed his hands on the boy's shoulders and said, "Scouts is a great place for you to be. Welcome to Troop 316."

Anonymous TLM August 16, 2012 3:37 PM  

Thought this post was about Cincy niggas? Outside of Chicago & Baltimore, they are some of the worst ones in the country.

Anonymous Suomynona August 16, 2012 3:38 PM  

Ignorant savages getting filthy rich from polluting the culture with their trash. And the suicidal whites continue to devolve, imitating these vulgar monkeys. It's beyond insane, but the recognition that there's nothing left to save of this rotting culture mitigates the resentment and anger as one witnesses its demise.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation (Ben) August 16, 2012 3:42 PM  

Sojourner August 16, 2012 2:55 PM

"Personally I could never get into the electronic guitar in anything classical. Just ruins the product. The closet I ever found to liking music that was some kind of cross between old opera and modern music (electronica or the sort) was Emma Shapplin. Too bad she only did two albums and was gone after that. (Edite after typing that...holy crap she came out with a new album! Gotta check it out.)"

The artists I cited mostly don't play classical, but you can hear the classical influence in their music.


7cf1414c-e7b1-11e1-80ba-000bcdcb2996 August 16, 2012 2:50 PM

"From the not always correct Wiki - but I could site every American music history book"

The wiki passage talks about how the African slaves took traditional work songs and utilized them to create new musical art. What were those traditional work songs?

Also, if I wanted to learn about the history of music what book would you recommend?

Blogger Markku August 16, 2012 3:58 PM  

Beau and his vignettes...

Anonymous Mrs. Pilgrim August 16, 2012 4:01 PM  

Slack key is beautiful, but to compare it's influence to Boogie-Woogie, Ragtime, Jazz, Blues, etc on modern American music is nutty. Remember our early rock icons stole from, Louis Jordan, Chuck Berry and Little Richard.

We Rock Around the Clock not Polka Around the Clock


Then how come so many songs, even now, lend themselves so well to a polka remix?

I tell you, the influence only takes a tiny bit of effort to reveal. Truly.

Anonymous Mr. Nightstick August 16, 2012 4:43 PM  

That guy gets me every time.

Blogger Gilbert Ratchet August 16, 2012 6:39 PM  

"They are still not civilized after more than 150 years of full immersion in quasi-European civilization"

Oh please. They were not "fully immersed" in white culture, and that's the problem! Whites kept them away, in their own ghettos, hidden. Now we're paying the price for this folly.

Anonymous map August 16, 2012 7:14 PM  

"You want "white music"? You better be listening to Mozart, Beethoven and company. Maybe Brian Eno's ambient stuff. Most everything else has black roots."

There are no black roots in western music. Blues music is nothing more than a minor pentatonic scale, an invention of Western music. The minor pentatonic scale is all the primitive African could pick up from Western music.

Anonymous feral1404 August 16, 2012 7:14 PM  

"Slack key is beautiful, but to compare it's influence to Boogie-Woogie, Ragtime, Jazz, Blues, etc on modern American music is nutty. Remember our early rock icons stole from, Louis Jordan, Chuck Berry and Little Richard.

We Rock Around the Clock not Polka Around the Clock"

Somewhat true, but not entirely. Ragtime and jazz share many roots with big band swing, which was orchestral in nature and an entirely European concept (based originally off romantic melodies). The second wave of big band (the "African" set that included Cab Calloway and Louie Armstrong) did not derive from African music, but built off the first white wave.

"Personally I could never get into the electronic guitar in anything classical."

Hey Sojourner, try you-tubing Paul Gilbert's rendition of Bach's Partita in D Minor... he doesn't entirely massacre it. He actually brings an energy to the piece that I think Bach would have found organic.

Anonymous Beau August 16, 2012 7:52 PM  

Beau and his vignettes...

Still kickin' :)

Anonymous Anonymous August 16, 2012 8:54 PM  

"Oh please. They were not "fully immersed" in white culture, and that's the problem! Whites kept them away, in their own ghettos, hidden. Now we're paying the price for this folly."

That isn't actually true. Blacks had plenty of exposure to white cultural influence, and for that reason they used to be better behaved.

I find it interesting, however, that you are expressing exactly the line of argument used by the liberals to force school integration down our throats.

Why if we just expose those poor black kids to those studious white kids in public schools, we'll start producing dozens of black Edisons, Fords, Teslas, Einsteins, etc., in no time. Apparently exposure to white people is something magical (except when we're being all evil - the logic of liberalism is a bit contradictory on this point).

How is integration working out? Seems to me that forced racial integration is dragging whites down, not lifting blacks up.

But of course no matter what happens, it's all whitey's fault. Always.

OpenID 7cf1414c-e7b1-11e1-80ba-000bcdcb2996 August 16, 2012 10:22 PM  

"Also, if I wanted to learn about the history of music what book would you recommend?"

Elijah Wald – Escaping the Delta/Robert Johnson and the invention of the Blues
Robert Palmer - Rock & Roll -- An Unruly History
Nick Tosches - Unsung Heroes of Rock n Roll
Mystery Train - Greil Marcus
http://www.pbs.org/americanrootsmusic/

"Somewhat true, but not entirely. Ragtime and jazz share many roots with big band swing, which was orchestral in nature and an entirely European concept (based originally off romantic melodies). The second wave of big band (the "African" set that included Cab Calloway and Louie Armstrong) did not derive from African music, but built off the first white wave. "

Feral, I thought Big Band Swing was influenced first by Ragtime? But it does seem to be a combo of Rhythm with the influence of Euro melody.

Check this out: http://www.redhotjazz.com/bigband.html




Anonymous JP (real one) August 17, 2012 1:13 AM  

A tangent here, but while we're on the subject of race...

This was a comment on a blog from my hometown. It's in the Deep South, where, according to the media and Hollywood, we're still supposedly oppressing blacks:

"As a white guy who went through med school not so long ago, I was outraged at the level of "help" black students received. The black med students had a much lower MCAT score average for admission, a free summer anatomy class complete with tutors and cadavers, an office of minority affairs that had tutors and a note taking service for free, and free rides in the form of minority scholarships. To add insult to injury, minority students if they still failed a class, simply got to start over the next year. Certainly not the case for the rest of us. I for one am sick of reparations and excuses."

Anonymous Passinthrough August 17, 2012 2:14 AM  

My ancestor came to America in chains 350+ years ago. He was on the losing side of a Scottish rebellion. He was sold into servitude. Yet his descendants are not running around randomly attacking people because they (the descendants) are bored, These children have been taught and those doing the teaching (progressives) are to blame. We have sown the wind and now we reap the whirlwind.

Anonymous Michael Maier August 17, 2012 8:47 AM  

JP: That's why I won't voluntarily see a minority doctor. I'm somewhat iffy on my female primary doc, but we have a very good rapport which I've never had with a male doctor. And she seems competent enough.

Anonymous JP (real one) August 17, 2012 9:02 AM  

Michael: I agree. My primary doc right now is a female Indian. I know, though, that Indians and Chinese get no special favors in school--they sure didn't in engineering, anyway.

Blogger Spacebunny August 17, 2012 10:18 AM  

I'm somewhat iffy on my female primary doc, but we have a very good rapport which I've never had with a male doctor. And she seems competent enough.

She's probably fine - women don't get the same pass that minorities do. I had a friend in college who got wait listed by med school while a friend ours, who is Indian (feathers, not dot) and got much worse grades than her, got in immediately.

Anonymous Anonymous August 21, 2012 7:23 PM  


You might like to watch this - a rare instance of a seemingly intelligent kneegrow:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfrR5lAxXV0

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