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Tuesday, September 04, 2012

Blogger and the Apple Vay

You vill have it our vay. You vill not have it your vay no more, hein? Your vay is old and schlecht. Our vay ist neu and gut and you must to use it so zat alles ist in ordnung!
The old Blogger interface will be removed in the coming days.

We've made many improvements to the new Blogger interface.

You can upgrade to the new interface at any time.
The thing is, I don't want to upgrade to the new Blogger interface. I tried it. And I disliked it. So I went back to the old one, only now they are taking that option away from me. And for what? So Blogger's engineers can feel as if they have something to do? How does forcing all their bloggers to use the new interface benefit Blogger in any way?

Now, the new interface isn't absolutely awful, so I'm not going to drop Blogger over it, but it adds absolutely nothing as far as I'm concerned. It's not as if I'm a Luddite, as I use the new Blogger template at Alpha Game and even tried twice - and failed twice - to use it to recreate the functionality of this blog. But I truly do not understand why so many technology companies insist on not only fixing things that are not broken, but forcing their users to adopt the "New and Improved" versions.

This is especially problematic when the forced upgrade actually breaks the product and there is no way to go back to the previous version. The last Kobo upgrade actually bricked two out of the three eReaders. Apple can get away with this sort of thing because it was run by an insane perfectionist. But I suspect disaster eventually looms for any company that forces upgrades, because it is an excellent way of creating the possibility of losing all of your customers simultaneously.

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61 Comments:

Anonymous Heh September 04, 2012 7:11 AM  

"I suspect disaster eventually looms for any company that forces upgrades"

Ya mean like Windows? But hey Windows 7 is sooooo much better than Windows 95 (rolls eyes).

Anonymous zen0 September 04, 2012 7:19 AM  

Meddlers gotta meddle. They are everywhere. Cause nothing but trouble and are very unlikable sorts.

They think they have to put their personal stamp on things to justify their existence. Petty egotistical malcontents.

Blogger IM2L844 September 04, 2012 7:19 AM  

Blame it on web 2.0, HTML5, Microsoft and atheists...especially atheists...and the Satan worshipers that work for Microsoft.

Anonymous VryeDenker September 04, 2012 7:21 AM  

Windows XP was perfect for my needs both at home and at my job as a Software Developer.

Anonymous VD September 04, 2012 7:26 AM  

I still use Windows XP on my main machine. I've never seen any reason whatsoever to upgrade it.

Anonymous Rantor September 04, 2012 7:40 AM  

Vox, last sentence, losing all of what? Customers? Data.

I started building my first blog, using blogger, over the weekend, it has been an interesting endeavor. It is for our Homeowners Association and I am now fighting through how to make it private, and get people on the inside. For some it works, for others, it doesn't seem to. I assume I am already using the new interface.

All the best with the migration. I suspect some anklebiters will accuse you of losing their comments.

Also, at work they just pushed us to the latest version of Office. Really sucks, more steps and not more intuitive to an Office user than previous versions. Assume they think Millenials are big into these new formats. (Of course mostly Boomers and Gen X'rs filling the jobs requiring them to use this crap software. As far as the news is reporting, Millenials are living at home, writing on Facebook and looking at faded posters of Obama.

Blogger IM2L844 September 04, 2012 7:42 AM  

I've never seen any reason whatsoever to upgrade it.

If everybody had that attitude, how would Bill make enough money to get water and Monsanto's hybridized seeds to those poor African farmers?

Think of the children, man!

Anonymous VD September 04, 2012 7:48 AM  

Vox, last sentence, losing all of what? Customers? Data.

Customers. Fixed.

Anonymous DT September 04, 2012 8:00 AM  

Blame it on web 2.0, HTML5, Microsoft and atheists...especially atheists...and the Satan worshipers that work for Microsoft.

I blame the Calvinists. The upgrades are predestined. And users were elected to upgrade, regardless of their desire or merit, from before the foundation of the software.

Anonymous VryeDenker September 04, 2012 8:00 AM  

I would assume the problem lies in the new breed of user not wanting to pay for software, therefore the "free" stuff needs to be made more complex so that revenue can be generated through premium support channels.

At least, that's what I would have done.

Blogger Nate September 04, 2012 8:02 AM  

"I still use Windows XP on my main machine. I've never seen any reason whatsoever to upgrade it."

omg!

Widgets!

Anonymous Marellus September 04, 2012 8:05 AM  

... and then there is the new timeline feature on facebook ... I hate it.

Blogger Nate September 04, 2012 8:11 AM  

Facebook is the worst... constant changes... that everyone hates. Doesnt matter... FB is dead.

Blogger IM2L844 September 04, 2012 8:13 AM  

All joking aside, Google had to optimize Blogger for mobile devices and force everybody on board in order to keep AdSense from losing more market share. I suspect that Apple licensing iOS patents to Microsoft was partially responsible for making this move necessary.

Anonymous Holla September 04, 2012 8:27 AM  

It's all about the AdSense / trackers.

I wonder if Vox even owns the content to this blog or if Google does.

Speaking of which, why have you not gone to a privately hosted wordpress blog?

Anonymous Anonymous September 04, 2012 8:32 AM  

I was unaware that I could have kept old blogger all this time. I have been cludging along with new blogger for months now. About a third of the code is not supported by my archaic "mandatory use" browser. I think it is a government conspiracy to make me work while at work.

Anonymous HardReturn¶ September 04, 2012 8:40 AM  

I've notice an uptick in this kind of software strategery in recent years just as a user--closing the door on backward compatibility features (MS Office), bloatware crashes (Adobe), fancier wizbang interface that doesn't add functionality (ESRI).

Anonymous Anonymous September 04, 2012 8:43 AM  

And why does every software company on the planet think I need another toolbar?

Blogger The Dawn, the Sky, and the Sun September 04, 2012 8:52 AM  

This is precisely what is happening with facebook. I went on my profile one day and behold, they forced me to adopt "Timeline." Vox, soon your profile will be timeline too.

Anonymous Roundtine September 04, 2012 8:58 AM  

The new blogger interface edit box goes all the way to the bottom of the screen. Writing a long post becomes a pain.

Anonymous HongKongCharlie September 04, 2012 9:06 AM  

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Anonymous robh September 04, 2012 9:11 AM  

Apart from whatever nefarious ad/privacy/tracking concerns, multiple branches means additional support costs. Therefore you will upgrade.

Blogger Nate September 04, 2012 9:14 AM  

HOnestly the phenomena is just the result of coders attempting to justify their BS jobs.... very much the same way politicians must continually create new laws.

Anonymous VD September 04, 2012 9:17 AM  

Speaking of which, why have you not gone to a privately hosted wordpress blog?

Because that would require effort on my part and WordPress can't perfectly and effortlessly replicate this template.

Vox, soon your profile will be timeline too.

I don't care about Facebook. I never use it.

Anonymous rycamor September 04, 2012 9:28 AM  

The biggest tragedy of the modern West is the perceived need to paper over every problem with additional complexity rather than undo or reassess the problem. You see it everywhere, from the way our agricultural system works all the way up to the Supreme Court.

Every single software developer you know has been on a project where version 1.0 was replaced by a shiny version 2.0 that had literally half the functionality, took twice as long to do, and left the customers frustrated, BUT hey, at least it was done the Right Way, with (design patterns/test-driven development/agile methodology/pair programming/aspect-orientation/method-chaining-out-the-wazoo), and gave the PM with the warm fuzzies of feeling necessary.

Anonymous Anonymous September 04, 2012 9:33 AM  

New blogger pages work better for mobile devices or at lease more to the liking of some. As mobile becomes the primary web view method it is changing how many people build and display their pages.

However I do agree that they should allow the old ones to stay as it cost them relatively little as it is just a template.

Blogger Doom September 04, 2012 10:03 AM  

VryeDenker,

At least, that's what I would have done.

I can smell a capitalist a mile away. And, while I agree, I just wish capitalism was half of what it is supposed to be, could be, has been from time to time. Still, it really is about the bottom line, only now we don't just have crowned princes of estate, we have middlings realizing their lucre is on the line if they can't justify their non-essential existence. Too many getting too much of a cut. Another symptom of the cheating academic bubble about to burst.

All good, carry on.

Anonymous Philalethes September 04, 2012 10:06 AM  

Speaking as a 24-year Mac user, I fully agree. Not everyone is entranced with the latest Mac OS versions, which break a lot of the functionality we've been used to, replacing it with tablet-inspired tweaks that are dumber and harder to use. So, like you Windows XP Luddites, I'm now two OS versions "behind".

Even Ubuntu seems to have fallen for this mandatory dumbing-down fad, but feedback is a little faster in the Linux world, and they seem to be losing market share among knowledgeable users; I gather Ubuntu is again going to offer a "retro" GNOME 2 style interface option.

Anonymous VryeDenker September 04, 2012 10:27 AM  

I wish to make a living from something I enjoy AND am at least half way decent at. But having standards, I refuse to make yet another Farmville or Angry birds clone. Luckily I have found a niche in developing custom apps for corporates (who invariably give them away for free as a "value-added" extra). Now, I'm all for a free market where the consumer has the final word, but it kind of falls apart when the consumer expects to get the product for free.

Blogger Doom September 04, 2012 10:40 AM  

But the customer ALWAYS wants 'x' for free. They only come to expect it if someone lets them think that way.

Of course, if you are making a living, like what you are doing, and in the rather... crowded field in which you work... you sound to be doing good enough... for now. Twere I you, I would be... expanding, looking, exploring... though. Just... a thought.

Anonymous Stilicho September 04, 2012 10:41 AM  

That other format just plain sucks for reading and commenting. What would it take to develop a competing product?

Anonymous VryeDenker September 04, 2012 10:53 AM  

Of course, if you are making a living, like what you are doing, and in the rather... crowded field in which you work... you sound to be doing good enough... for now. Twere I you, I would be... expanding, looking, exploring... though. Just... a thought.

Like I said: I create apps for corporates, meaning it is their problem how they generate revenue from them. I sell my skills instead of a product.

That other format just plain sucks for reading and commenting. What would it take to develop a competing product?

Six months and an endless supply of coffee and beer. Creating a blogging platform like Blogger isn't all that hard, but getting funding is a bitch, especially seeing as Blogger and WordPress already exist and are actually quite good at what they do. The best way would be to start an open source project and publicise the hell out of it on social media sites.

Anonymous VryeDenker September 04, 2012 10:56 AM  

...also, I am rather good at installing electric fences.

Anonymous jack September 04, 2012 11:05 AM  

I don't run a blog; my partner does. I just asked the question and she responded, after checking her blogger site to verify. She seems to think that the new interface only has required participation if you do some or all of your blogging on mobile devices.
Vox: do you us a mobile device for some of your blogging? I suspect this is the case or you would not have available time resources to service this blog and do everything else. Just curious....

Blogger Vox September 04, 2012 11:07 AM  

Vox: do you us a mobile device for some of your blogging?

I do not. And if I can turn off whatever setting is driving the new interface requirement, I will certainly do so.

Blogger Vox September 04, 2012 11:11 AM  

The only thing I see is this:

Show mobile template

Yes. Show mobile template on mobile devices.
No. Show desktop template on mobile devices.


I have Yes checked, but I don't see what that has to do with the forced interface upgrade.

Blogger Positive Dennis September 04, 2012 11:25 AM  

I have been a happy quicken user for 15 years. The latest upgrade, forced because the old versions will not work on new operating systems, took a good program and crippled it. It is now worthless. my guess is that they are forcing me to get quick books because that way they make more money.

Anonymous Angel September 04, 2012 11:26 AM  

There is this one weird thing I noticed. Sometimes if I read you on mobile it has a reply option and then if you comment using it it looks like you replied to the commenter. However, when you read the same post on a computer or laptop it just looks like the commenter is nuts LOL.

Anonymous Angel September 04, 2012 11:26 AM  

Does Google own your content if you use blogger?

Blogger Vox September 04, 2012 11:47 AM  

Does Google own your content if you use blogger?

No, not to the best of my knowledge. I certainly haven't signed anything.

Anonymous Josh September 04, 2012 11:56 AM  

Regarding the question of evil, is Apple more evil than Autodesk?

Anonymous notaCAD September 04, 2012 12:28 PM  

Regarding the question of evil, is Apple more evil than Autodesk? - Josh

NO.

Anonymous RedJack September 04, 2012 12:31 PM  

Vox,
The make the changes to force you to change. Otherwise people would stop buying the product.

Just wait till something like the ebook format changes, forcing people to rebuy all their books

Anonymous jack September 04, 2012 12:41 PM  

I would like to see Markku comment on this blogger question. Maybe Vox could make the call to Finland and wake him up. After all sleeping in is so over rated.

Anonymous Stilicho September 04, 2012 12:59 PM  

However, when you read the same post on a computer or laptop it just looks like the commenter is nuts LOL.

Well, that explains Kickass' comments.

Anonymous Poli_Mis September 04, 2012 1:03 PM  

Not OT at all: More Apple evil in the news

FBI Agent's Laptop 'Hacked' To Grab 12 Million Apple IDs - UPDATED

Blogger Markku September 04, 2012 2:31 PM  

I would like to see Markku comment on this blogger question. Maybe Vox could make the call to Finland and wake him up. After all sleeping in is so over rated.

I took a look at the template, which according to the source code was already made for Vox by a company or business name. I concluded that it is probably possible to migrate that code to the new template, but it is by no means trivial and as I'm already coding another project for Vox, I just don't have the time for it.

Blogger Markku September 04, 2012 2:39 PM  

My personal opinion is that there is really no reason to insist on having the column width be dynamic. According to research (which LaTeX's typesetting principles are based on), the ease of reading any text starts to decrease significantly after about 80 characters per column.

Blogger Dave Lucas September 04, 2012 2:46 PM  

My suggestion: get your blogging ducks in a row now. Get everything organized the way you want it before the old interface is totally gone...

Anonymous Kickass September 04, 2012 5:24 PM  

So thats what it is. I am always mobile. Just know my intentions are sane. Usually.
By the way, that was at Angel and Stilicho.

Anonymous Kickass September 04, 2012 5:31 PM  

Two things....translation....Markku wants more more money to fix this (hey baby, use what you got to get what you want) and Vox you may not have had to sign something regarding Blogger possibly owning your content. It could have been when you first checked a box at sign up or accepted any changes or upgrades by not opting out or deleting your account. I know several bloggers migrated to wordpress and typepad because the legalese gave them heartburn.

Blogger R. Bradley Andrews September 04, 2012 5:47 PM  

Is a company forcing changes on a free product really the exact same thing as a company forcing changes on a product you paid for? It seems like getting it free legitimately cedes some authority, which would make Google and Apple different.

Blogger Gilbert Ratchet September 04, 2012 7:52 PM  

Facebook just did this. I went back to using Word 2004 because I couldn't stand the newer one.

Anonymous jack September 04, 2012 8:48 PM  

Markku:

Did not mean to suggest you tackle Blogger, though, if you did with success, there would probably be much kudos and maybe some donated coin come your way.
I was just interested in yet another opinion from someone of the programming skills of yourself, VryeDenker and Vox. I like it a lot when these type of posts and comment streams come along. You can learn so much.

Blogger R. Bradley Andrews September 04, 2012 11:17 PM  

What is the real problem here? Is it some specialized Javascript?

Blogger Markku September 05, 2012 12:05 AM  

What is the real problem here? Is it some specialized Javascript?

No, just plain HTML and CSS, but there is quite a bit of it. I don't think it would require much skills to do it, it is simply very much not fun.

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Anonymous Mavwreck September 05, 2012 1:04 AM  

robh nailed it above. They had a reason to add some new features; if it's a big change and you don't want to break existing users/clients/environments, you create a new version to add the new features. However, you can't have too many versions under support - it eats up resources. Thus, you have to retire the old versions eventually.

Anonymous the abe September 05, 2012 2:10 AM  

Politics and mainstream governance infects the Computer.

For decades software and hardware was the domain of libertarians and anarchists. Today it's a "big tent party".

Blogger R. Bradley Andrews September 05, 2012 11:43 AM  

Thanks Markku. Programming is easy, but I have never done much with CSS, just some HTML in the past. (I am more of a C++ guy.)

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