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Saturday, September 29, 2012

Harbinger

The future of the 21st century USA, encapsulated:
Students at a high school in Victorville said violent fights have been breaking out between African-Americans and Latinos for the past two days. Rafael Muñoz said a group of people started the fights at Silverado High on Wednesday, which have poured out into the streets.
Forget Somali jihadists in Minneapolis, what really blows the mind is the fact that Compton is now 65 percent Hispanic.  It's remarkable that academia and the media are still caught up with an increasingly outdated monochrome fixation when the most intense societal fracture lines look to be between the black and brown communities.

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Anonymous Outlaw X September 29, 2012 3:21 AM  

I been thinking why do I really like to read Vox? After some introspection (I didn't spend a lot of time on this) I concluded it was because of his intelligence and diversity of Knowledge. One only has to look over the past ten years that exist to see this.

It neither means he is correct or incorrect but well thought out 99% of the time. He is not stuck in a circular thinking paradigm like most of my scientific friends seem not to escape.

I don't always agree and when I don't I usually remain silent for two reasons.

1) He don't give a damn
2) I don't either.

I just hope Vox keeps doing what he does, because like this post I would have never thought about it exactly the way he does. That's why I read him.

Anonymous campbreeze September 29, 2012 3:35 AM  

That's how it was at my high school in Texas 30 years ago. The blacks and the Mexicans were the fiercest rivals.

Blogger Ingemar September 29, 2012 3:39 AM  

I went to Victorville once. I didn't notice the color of the population, but it didn't matter because the place is a shithole. If anything, the highest, most impossible aspiration of a Victorvillian is to leave.

Anonymous Outlaw X September 29, 2012 3:41 AM  

"That's how it was at my high school in Texas 30 years ago. The blacks and the Mexicans were the fiercest rivals."

Same here in high school in the late 70's. Seems nothing really changed Until my professional life, then everyone seems to pretty much get along.

Anonymous fnn September 29, 2012 3:46 AM  

>That's how it was at my high school in Texas 30 years ago. The blacks and the Mexicans were the fiercest rivals.

Whites gentiles have been told that it's shamefully racist for them to stick together since the 1950s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Authoritarian_Personality#Responses
(...)
Some observers have criticized what they saw as a strongly politicized agenda to The Authoritarian Personality. Social critic Christopher Lasch[26] argued that by equating mental health with left-wing politics and associating right-wing politics with an invented “authoritarian” pathology, the book's goal was to eliminate antisemitism by “subjecting the American people to what amounted to collective psychotherapy—by treating them as inmates of an insane asylum.” Similarly, Slovenian philosopher Slavoj Zizek wrote, “It is precisely the kind of group loyalty, respect for tradition, and consciousness of differences central to Jewish identity, however, that Horkheimer and Adorno described as mental illness in Gentiles. These writers adopted what eventually became a favorite Soviet tactic against dissidents: anyone whose political views differed from theirs was insane. […] Christian self-denial, and especially sexual repression, caused hatred of the Jews [according to Adorno et al.].”[27]

The Authoritarian Personality remains widely cited in the social sciences and continues to inspire research interest today.[28]

Anonymous Outlaw X September 29, 2012 4:02 AM  

"Whites gentiles have been told that it's shamefully racist for them to stick together since the 1950s."

The ignore button is really easy to find for those who can see. Just look at the neighborhoods. Watch a crowd, those of like mindedness and culture group up. Vox has it right.

Yet us employees of the feds are forced to go to at least one EEO meeting every year to get a satisfactory (Fully successful) rating. I always choose the Gay lesbian one it is the most humor. Not that I don't like gays or lesbians just the fact to see them be very uncomfortable knowing this is Texas.

Anonymous Roundtine September 29, 2012 4:32 AM  

For those above in high schools 30 years ago, was it a dominant black/hispanic high school with a minority of whites? Was the administration minority? I have a gut sense that whites cared about all interracial relations before and would put a lid on things. Now, there are places like California where the whites are literally gone, and other whites no longer want to spend time and money to solve other peoples' problems.

Anonymous Outlaw X September 29, 2012 4:37 AM  

"For those above in high schools 30 years ago, was it a dominant black/hispanic high school with a minority of whites? "

Roundtime

Absolutely not, Plano Texas in the late 1970's was Lilly white.

Anonymous fnn September 29, 2012 4:49 AM  

On "grooming" of underage white girls by Muslims in the UK:
http://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2012/09/28/rotten-in-rotherham/#comment-14463
IHTG
09/28/2012 at 4:38 PM
Chronicles of the Dead Island, part N.

The behavior of the authorities is one thing. What I’m curious about is, where are the young white boys in this community?

Presumably these are lower-class areas. In low-income Jerusalem neighborhoods, Arabs who mess around with Jewish girls…do so at their own peril.

melykin
09/28/2012 at 6:42 PM
“Police went to a house outside which a father was demanding the release of his daughter, who was inside with a group of British Pakistani adults. Officers found the girl, 14, who had been drugged, under a bed. The father and his daughter were arrested for racial harassment and assault respectively. Police left, leaving three men at the house with two more girls….

—————————————-

I couldn’t read any more after this. Britain is lost.

Anne Bennett (@AnneKavkaz)
09/28/2012 at 7:13 PM
@IHTG The cops in Britain will arrest any white boy who looks the wrong way at a Muslim.

There was an incident in which a Sikh girl was suspected of being raped by a Muslim in Britain. A huge crowd of Sikhs gathered at the police station. There followed talks between Sikh and Pak “community leaders.”.

White people in Britain? They just have to suck it up or get arrested. The cops are TERRIFIED of riots.


The White Guilt ideology was developed in the US (MOSTLY by YKW) and exported to the UK and the rest of Europe.

Anonymous Outlaw X September 29, 2012 5:03 AM  

Roundtime

The blacks used to stay between classes waiting on a Mexican or white to come up the stairs, which had a landing half way up. They had their Afro combs and used them as weapons against both, Until Jeff Kenell star football player whipped Ricky Gaddus @ss in front of everyone there, and they went away and didn't bother any one that year.

Anonymous fnn September 29, 2012 5:07 AM  

>The ignore button is really easy to find for those who can see. Just look at the neighborhoods. Watch a crowd, those of like mindedness and culture group up. Vox has it right.

Most Westerners, especially the young, are programmed by the mass media.That usually doesn't *completely* inhibit the basic instinct for survival- even militant anti-racist SWPLs are normally cautious about entering black neighborhoods. Beyond that, only very dumb whites don't realize that "white racists" are the favored targets of the state security organs of the American Empire. See paleocon Paul Gottfried's Multiculturalism and the Politics of Guilt for explanations.

Anonymous fnn September 29, 2012 5:21 AM  

USG ideology:
http://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2011/02/05/capitalist-liberal-multicultacracy/
(...)
While I remain because there is still a possibility for change (rationalization or not, I keep thinking that there must have been some members of the Soviet diplomatic service who realized that their nation’s devotion to an outdated ideology that didn’t work would someday come to an end and it was his duty to the Russian people to remain at post to help when that day came, but I’m probably kidding myself), the points raised in the comments about Conservatives not getting the fundamental nature of USG is not only true, its extremely true. As the post both here and at Alt Right demonstrated, not even clear-thinking members of the New Right have fully taken in that the USG is now the enemy.

Because, let’s fact it, bravado aside, that’s a difficult thing for an American to accept. It’s much easier for Europeans to accept this; they have a history of governments who need overthrowing. But in the long history of the American Republic, never, I think, has there been a time where the Government of the United States was ideologically committed to the wholesale destruction and replacement of the American people, their history, their identity, their ideals and their very being. The Civil War is a partial exception to that and, I’m starting to believe, a lesson that we Americans for too long smugly ignored.

—— What Do They Mean by “Democracy”? ——
In any case, on to the matters at hand with that background in mind. With regard to the post American Diversity Outreach, it is my sad duty to report to you that the USG is actively promoting this not only in France but throughout the European Union and elsewhere. The US Government views the future and the meaning of the very word “democracy” to mean a democracy on the modern liberal capitalist globalist United States model, i.e. mass democracy with an extremely multi-ethnic population. To that end, historical nations are merely administrative bodies with particular historical backgrounds. A Turkish German is German. A Muslim Frenchman is French. Anyone who says otherwise is evil and will not be tolerated. Moves by any European government to treat their citizens differently based on ethnicity are viewed by USG as the same a denying Blacks in the U.S. civil rights and sends them into a shrieking frenzy. Any political party that opposes this is “monitored” by the U.S. and U.S. political and diplomatic capital is spent to discredit them.

In addition, the U.S. is fully committed to the proposition that the U.S. and Europe are Muslim as well as Christian and Jewish and Whatever entities. To that end, the U.S. has supported Albania and has created the new Muslim state of Kosovo. Kosovo and Albania are both led by criminals and murderers but in our ideological zeal this is not seen for what it is. It is seen, typically, as a need for MORE U.S. involvement, more “good governance” programs, more lectures to other Europeans that they’re not doing their part to integrate these countries into the European family.

(...)

Anonymous Outlaw X September 29, 2012 5:34 AM  

"The US Government views the future and the meaning of the very word “democracy” to mean a democracy on the modern liberal capitalist globalist United States model, i.e. mass democracy with an extremely multi-ethnic population. To that end, historical nations are merely administrative bodies with particular historical backgrounds."

Very True!

Anonymous Outlaw X September 29, 2012 5:48 AM  

We are Engineers!

When I talk about these things among highly educated engineers (Not Physicist I blame them) that I work with. They go into hibernate mode like a computer. It is interesting and disturbing to witness the " Whatch you gonna do about it" mode when every day we do something about what we do.

I guess you have to be a PHD in Government to do a damn thing about it?

I think they will be happy when I leave, which is only a matter of weeks.

Anonymous Adage Man September 29, 2012 6:20 AM  

Good Fences Make Good Neighbors

Anonymous ROFLMAO September 29, 2012 7:33 AM  

This oughta be a lot of fun...

11th Annual Spice of Life
Celebrating the Diversity in our Community
Taking place on Saturday October 6, 2012
Victorville Civic Center (City Hall)
10 a.m.-6 p.m.
Music, Dancing, Arts & Crafts, Food, Vendor Booths and More!

Blogger Bob September 29, 2012 7:36 AM  

"Good Fences Make Good Neighbors"

Not if your neighbors are like my neighbors - Black militants and illegal aliens - whom the local police steadfastly refuse to acknowledge the existance of.

My fence serves only as a marker as to where my yard starts - into which they throw their trash.

One of these days - when I get tired of picking up their garbage - I just might seriously consider sending them on an all-expenses paid trip to meet their ancestors.

But probably not... The local police steadfastly acknowledge my existance already, and they would be extremely disturbed if I inadvertently forced them to face reality.

Anonymous scoobius dubious September 29, 2012 7:49 AM  

The Newspeak just keeps getting better and better, too.

"violent fights have been breaking out between African-Americans and Latinos for the past two days"

So, the blacks are "hyphenated-Americans" but the Latinos aren't Americans, they're just plain Latinos.

Ya know, every so often, even Newspeak gets something right.

Blogger James Dixon September 29, 2012 8:10 AM  

> t's remarkable that academia and the media are still caught up with an increasingly outdated monochrome fixation when the most intense societal fracture lines look to be between the black and brown communities.

As Instapundit often notes: It doesn't fit the narrative.

Anonymous back to san andreas September 29, 2012 8:15 AM  

los santos vagos in the hood, bitches!

Anonymous RC September 29, 2012 8:37 AM  

I am visiting my oldest daughter in Nashville. Their apartment complex of a couple dozen apartments is packed with supposed refugees from who knows where. They speak no English, not even the kids, and have just been lounging around all day every day. The men where red hats that look like small watering cans.

The America I grew up in has left the continent.

Blogger Bob September 29, 2012 8:46 AM  

"The America I grew up in has left the continent."

Where to? Tell me Where! So I can leave also!

Anonymous DrTorch September 29, 2012 8:47 AM  

RC- Wasn't Nashville among the big 3 to pick up Somali immigrants? (Minneapolis, Columbus, Nashville)

Wash Post actually ran a story, at least a decade ago, about the tensions in Compton as it had transformed to majority latino. Even the WaPo was taken by the irony that blacks didn't want the latinos to have a greater percentage of good jobs and political representation. The blacks' response was, "We've worked so hard for what we have."

Anonymous ThirdMonkey September 29, 2012 8:48 AM  

Don't forget brown-on-brown violence. In the southwest, especially in NM, there's a huge division amongst the hispanics who were here when it was still part of Spain, and the influx of Mexicans coming north of the border. It's not uncommon hearing a guy named Martinez call another guy named Martinez a wetback.

Anonymous Victimville September 29, 2012 9:28 AM  

Victorville Daily Press

Deputies break up potential fight near Silverado

http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/potential-36821-silverado-victorville.html

Read the comments.

By the way, this has been an ongoing, off and on, for about 10 years.

Anonymous RC September 29, 2012 9:58 AM  

"The America I grew up in has left the continent."

Where to? Tell me Where! So I can leave also!

@Bob - I'll let you know when I find its replacement. I do know this: A land of multitudinous laws, enforced or ignored primarily upon connections and politics will end poorly for all but the connected.

"Is rapid population [growth] by as great importations of foreigners as possible ... founded in good policy? ... They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave, imbibed in their early youth; or, if able to throw them off, it will be in exchange for an unbounded licentiousness, passing, as is usual, from one extreme to another. It would be a miracle were they to stop precisely at the point of temperate liberty. These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children. In proportion to their number, they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its direction, and render it a heterogeneous, incoherent, distracted mass ... If they come of themselves, they are entitled to all the rights of citizenship: but I doubt the expediency of inviting them by extraordinary encouragements..." - Jefferson

Anonymous Stilicho September 29, 2012 10:03 AM  

I am visiting my oldest daughter in Nashville. Their apartment complex of a couple dozen apartments is packed with supposed refugees from who knows where. They speak no English, not even the kids, and have just been lounging around all day every day. The men where red hats that look like small watering cans.

Get. Her. Out.

Anonymous praetorian September 29, 2012 10:05 AM  

Behold, "school"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j23DFli4oTM

Anonymous E. PERLINE September 29, 2012 10:10 AM  

I think the original tactic of promoting rivaly between groups is due to popular television. Thus, athletic contests in soccer, football, etc. carry over to whatever dfference there is between athletes. Popular television even encourages "winners" in non-athletic contests, such as providing what passes for entertainment. Instead of helping each other there is fierce opposition with each other. Instead of love there is hatred.

I never thought I would say this but the average person needs help rather than group-pride. He needs instruction in trades and information about how to live. He doesn't need an academic education that he can't deal with and a union militancy that prices him out of the market. If he has nowhere to start from he gets crazy.

Anonymous Apeman September 29, 2012 10:14 AM  

RC,

The country you grew up in never was an option anyway. Check out Japan. No immigration to speak of, but a dying nation nonetheless. The youth in Japan are sicker than most mental patients.

As for me, whenever I am forced to spend time with "white" kids my own age, I begin to welcome our new Latino overlords. I would rather that then rule by a bunch of worthless momma's boys.

Blogger Lovekraft September 29, 2012 10:30 AM  

"The blacks used to stay between classes waiting on a Mexican or white to come up the stairs, which had a landing half way up. They had their Afro combs and used them as weapons against both, Until Jeff Kenell star football player whipped Ricky Gaddus @ss in front of everyone there, and they went away and didn't bother any one that year."

Would love to see more details/video on this.

Anonymous re allow anonymous comments September 29, 2012 10:56 AM  

Good news. How do we encourage more of this to happen? Obviously the liberal media will try their best to ignore it...

Anonymous Kyle In Japan September 29, 2012 10:58 AM  

"The youth in Japan are sicker than most mental patients."

That's a pretty big exaggeration. I teach a lot of different middle and elementary school kids and for the most part, they're pretty well-adjusted. The biggest problem is too much group-think and not enough individuality, which tends to get crushed in never-ending rituals, formalities, and sports clubs.

Japan's actually a pretty good bet. Yes, they have demographic problems, but I think Japan can swing back and recover, eventually. They have all the necessary ingredients already; Japanese have a heavy natural inclination toward stability and order, unlike certain riot-prone people groups; plus, their culture will remain intact and can be rebuilt. A luxury you don't have when your native culture is replaced.

Anonymous Shlomo bar Goldstein September 29, 2012 11:01 AM  

I don't know why Richard Dawkins would like to see great ape personhood in the USA; we already got the 14th amendment!

Anonymous Cheddarman September 29, 2012 11:02 AM  

The good news is that the continued Keynesian inspired foolishness of our overlords guarantees this country will continue its economic death spiral. We are definitely living in "interesting" times.

Sincerely

Cheddarman

Anonymous Godfrey September 29, 2012 11:06 AM  

Divide and conquer. I hate the elites.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box September 29, 2012 11:08 AM  

More shitty news:
INTRADE: Comrade-0 67%, Comrade-R 33.
The GeOPapists were warned that we DID NOT WANT & would not accept another neocon spiritualist and did not freaking listen.
It's over. Get your life jackets on & be ready for that ice-cold water.

Anonymous The other skeptic September 29, 2012 11:16 AM  

I think that the black on brown stuff is pretty uninteresting compared with the real power struggle going on.

Oil money from the middle east has been shaping US attitudes and policies for a while now, and they do not like the thought of domestic supplies supplanting them.

Blogger Lucas September 29, 2012 11:48 AM  

Wait. But aren't hispanics Republicans Real Soon?

Blogger IM2L844 September 29, 2012 11:55 AM  

“The cops are nowhere to be seen. We’ve been calling them. They took forever. 911 placed people on hold. It was ridiculous,”

"Nature abhors a vacuum." I suspect that sooner or later a Golden Dawn style organization will become increasingly popular here in the United States. Golden Dawn has already opened offices in New York and Montreal. Can Los Angeles be far behind?

Anonymous Papapete September 29, 2012 11:56 AM  

I think that a certain amount of the tension is ttributable to the perception that Latinos have become the favored minority for the Democratic Party. Once amnesty and citizenship have been enacted the Latinos will get the lion's share of the swag since they are a growing portion of the population. Black leaders are terrified that they will be replaced as the favored recipients of government payola.

Anonymous The other skeptic September 29, 2012 12:03 PM  

Speaking of oil wars, why are Middle Easterners financing an anti-fracking movie if Peak Oil is (soon) upon us?

Anonymous jay c September 29, 2012 1:41 PM  

OT: Christians and the Law: Addressing the Objections, part 2 is now up.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler September 29, 2012 2:43 PM  

Yes, I want to second the opinion, this is not the country I grew up in. I don't recognize America anymore.

America is a Turd World Hell-hole. It is only going to get worse.

Anonymous The One September 29, 2012 4:04 PM  

Going back 400 yrs and beyond, there were no white people or white culture in North America. There really is no reason for whires to continue on the NA continent. Now whites have thousands of years of history in Europe and that's where white culture will survive. Have to let it go.

Anonymous Sojourner September 29, 2012 5:12 PM  

So what...time to start making Australia our home (and committing genocide to every creepy crawling creature there at the same time)?

I tell you what...I'm sick of waiting. Sick of WAITING for everything we speak of (civil war, collapse of markets, the end of the current civilization) to happen. Whatever is coming better come soon so we can learn who is what they say they are and who is not and we can get on with whatever will respresent our lives. Seriously, this dragging on is annoying to say the least.

And sure one might say to enjoy it right now but I can't. After reading that bit about what's happening in England to the white girls I'd rather see the world burn and the wheat get separated from the chaff then continue in this cespool of sin and depravity.

Anonymous jay c September 29, 2012 5:21 PM  

Now whites have thousands of years of history in Europe and that's where white culture will survive. Have to let it go.

They won't survive there if they stay on the same path either. It's time to do something different on both continents.

Blogger Bob Wallace September 29, 2012 6:27 PM  

Where I live, not only do blacks and "Hispanics" fight each other, students from different South American countries fight. Someone from Columbia is not the same as a Mexican, contrary to those who think anyone south of the border is a Meskin.

Anonymous john September 29, 2012 6:39 PM  

The southwest has always been a little bit Spanish. The presence of Mexicans has not resulted in disaster in the last few hundred years so I am optimistic we can hold out.

The house I grew up in had a title derived from a Spanish land grant. Many of biggest ranchers and land owners were Spanish, and many were mestizo. The first girl I ever loved lived in a big house that had been in her families name years before there even was a United States East of the Mississippi.

Nothing makes a Californian more home sick than trying to eat Mexican food in New York or Frankfurt. Tell me it aint so.


And lets be real. At first as the hispanic population began to rise in certain neighborhoods the new immgrants faced violence at the hands of black gangs. This turned out poorly as the hispanics had gangs of their own.

Anonymous The One September 29, 2012 7:29 PM  

@Jay C

Only pointing out that going by historical standards Europe is a better bet. Parts of it are "pre collapsed", they are used to overthrowing governments with violence and even after hundreds of years of Muslim occupation they threw them out. In addition as I said Europe has the moral high ground of being white while America stole the land from the natives. Also, it's where the super intelligences go.

Anonymous The other skeptic September 29, 2012 8:15 PM  


they are used to overthrowing governments with violence and even after hundreds of years of Muslim occupation they threw them out


Are you sure? I seem to recall that it was interesting

Anonymous stg58 September 29, 2012 9:00 PM  

Only pointing out that going by historical standards Europe is a better bet. Parts of it are "pre collapsed", they are used to overthrowing governments with violence and even after hundreds of years of Muslim occupation they threw them out. In addition as I said Europe has the moral high ground of being white while America stole the land from the natives. Also, it's where the super intelligences go.

Hey, The One, did the natives steal the land from other natives before we got here? Did we steal their deeds?

Blogger James Dixon September 29, 2012 9:38 PM  

> ...did the natives steal the land from other natives before we got here? Did we steal their deeds?

Yes. The historical record is fairly clear that the Indians who were here when we came were not even close to the original inhabitants.

Anonymous Rex Little September 29, 2012 9:58 PM  

My kid spent a couple months in California county jails, where racial segregation is enforced (by the inmates themselves) far more strictly than South Africa ever imagined. He reports that when gang fights break out, the Mexican gangs and the white gangs team up against the blacks.

Anonymous The One September 29, 2012 10:39 PM  

My personal opinion and your opinion are irrelevant. What is relevant is that a slogan "they stole our land" is being used effectively by groups such as La Raza, etc, while such a slogan in Europe would fall flat out on it's face.

Facts do not even matter, public image does; which ties into Vox's discussion of Rhetoric and Dialectic over at Alpha Game. Brown people have much better rhetoric for taking over land in the United States then muslims do for taking land over in Europe.

Anonymous Eric Blair September 30, 2012 12:32 AM  

the most intense societal fracture lines look to be between the black and brown communities

Which will simply serve the interests of TPTB and their police state for EVERYONE.

Anonymous fnn September 30, 2012 12:38 AM  

Don't let anyone feed you the nonsense that Golden Dawn are violent thugs. Compared to what? Last year, Molotov Cocktail-throwing Reds burned down a bank building causing the death by fire of three innocent Greek bystanders-including a pregnant woman. If Golden Dawn street activists weren't violent the Communists and anarchists would wipe them out.

You know how it works. A right-winger throws a punch and it's another Holocaust. Left-wingers murder seven million in a Holodomor and it's a tragic mistake. Rightist violence is Satan performing
his evil deeds on Earth according to the MSM-despite the fact that the MSM is composed entirely of atheists. OTOH, leftist violence is depicted as morally justified protest-or harmless hi-jinks at worst.

Anonymous Apeman September 30, 2012 10:52 AM  

Kyle In Japan,

When I was a little kid, my only friends were Japanese. So I wish that you where right. But you are reasoning from anecdote and a very skewed perspective as a teacher. However, I will save the survey data and the demographic math for a post that Vox writes that is actually about Japan.

My original comment was not an attempt to start an argument about Japan. Rather, I always get uncomfortable when people get talking about how those damm wetbacks are ruining America because I think that they are missing the real problem.

I work in the building trades so I sometimes work with Hispanics. They are not people that I would want to found a utopia with, but I can't say that they are worse people morally than the natives. And what really disgusts me is when all the older white guys set around and complain about how immigrants are taking over the country.

I have known all these guys for a long time. Some of them I have known for as long as I have been alive. Very few of them had even two kids. Most of them had one or none. And of the ones that had kids, almost all of them are worthless. One of the better ones decided becoming a doctor was too hard and switched to being a theater major. Another one I tried my hardest to make work out (because he was the son of my boss's boss) is now on disability as a result of a failed suicide attempt. Another would rather make $8 an hour working at big box retailer than $15 an hour actually working. I could go on and on, but I think you get the idea.

I am calling these people kids, but they are all my age. They were given every opportunity that I was and in some cases more. They could not even make a go of it when the rules where bent for them. So when there parents want to cry and complain about the barbarians being at the gate and running the country, I don't want to hear it.

Nature abhors a vacuum and for the most part all the baby boomers raised was a vacuum. If they were not coming from Mexico to fill the vacuum they would be coming over the ocean like our forefathers did. It would not matter what kind of wall you built or how well armed your border police were. A vacuum will be filled.

Anonymous E. PERLINE September 30, 2012 12:27 PM  

Today's Fort Lauderdale Sub-Sentinal newspaper has a front page story about how the jails, costing taxpayers $118.00 per day for each prisoner, are "overcrowded." Many have to sleep on floor mattresess. Many stay in jail for 5 days or more because they don't have $100 in bail money.

About a quarter of county taxpayer money supports jails and an initial release of 500 prisoners has been proposed.

The two top charges against prisoners are "court orders" and "possession of marijuana." Nothing had been decided yet. I know the penal system is meant to protect us, but I don't care one bit if someone is in "posession" of plant leaves.





Anonymous JI September 30, 2012 1:18 PM  

"I don't always agree and when I don't I usually remain silent for two reasons.

1) He don't give a damn
2) I don't either."

And I usually post something because I don't give a damn that you don't give a damn and that Vox doesn't give a damn.

Anonymous Columnist October 01, 2012 11:07 AM  

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Anonymous DonReynolds October 01, 2012 7:40 PM  

I enjoy reading history. But I must admit that I do not give a rat's hinnie who was here first, or who else claims this country. This is my country, not yours and not somebody elses. This is my home and I was born here, as were my ancestors since 1689. Yes, we built it and it is a free country. But it seems that too many foreigners get the wrong meaning when we say "free country". They seem to think it is free for the taking and I am sure they will be disappointed before it is over. They have a home to go home to. I do not. So I say, either we stay here alive or we stay here dead. Either way, we stay here.

I am not opposed to anyone coming to the USA to work (legally). Americans travel all over the world and work in every single country there is. They do their job, collect their pay, and normally leave to go elsewhere or back to the USA. Other people should do the same. They should not be given citizenship or vote in elections. If they want to work, I do not have a problem except in those cases where fellow Americans are put out of work by coolie labor. It is an old problem but illegal immigration is not the solution.

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