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Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Idiocracy through immigration

We are watching the intellectual and human capital decline of the USA in real time:
President Obama has bragged about his supposed revolution in education over and over during this election cycle. He says he’s interested in upping standards while simultaneously appeasing teachers unions. But the performance of American students continues to sink to all-time lows.

2012’s high school seniors have the worst SAT reading score since 1972; they scored 486 on reading, out of a possible 800. In writing, students also dropped dramatically, down to 488. That’s a nine-point drop since 2006.

The tendency from leftists is to challenge the efficacy of the SAT in measuring performance – but it’s a standardized test with great care taken for consistency. Instead, the Washington Post’s Emma Brown suggests that more and more minority students are taking the SATs. “More than 1.66 million graduating seniors last year took the test, the highest number in history. Nearly half were minorities and about a quarter reported that English was not exclusively their first language.
The problematic thing about this is that the SAT has been dumbed-down considerably since 1972; it is now an achievement test rather than an aptitude test.  And yet, the supposed demographic saviors, despite trillions in spending, the best education that the public schools can provide, and the huge increase in college attendance, have repeatedly demonstrated that they are simply not as capable as the Americans they have been brought in to replace.

It is more than a little ironic that the very people who preached the need for a more intelligent and better educated 21st century labor force have, with their blind enthusiasm for replacing the native population, ensured that the 21st century USA will possess a dumber, less educated, less capable labor force with which to compete.  Look at what Southern California is like these days.  That's what life in your town is going to be like within the next 20 years.

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Anonymous BAJ September 25, 2012 12:38 PM  

Oh hey no need to worry. Once some Chinese American finally perfects artificial intelligence, human-based intellect will be rendered obsolete.

Anonymous Mr. Nightstick September 25, 2012 12:41 PM  

I highly doubt that you will be able to surf and ski in the same day in your town.

Blogger Joshua_D September 25, 2012 12:44 PM  

Obviously, parents aren't holding up their end of the bargain. In addition to 40-hour work weeks, each, the parents must spend another 1.5 hours every night helping Johnny with homework and 30 minutes every night reading before Susie goes to bed. Plus, parents should be spending an hour of family time together each night in addition to having family meals together.

Now, I know this can be hard when both parents work 40-hours a week. But trust me, you should be able to squeeze all this in, every night from 5 - 9 pm. Get with the program parents! Help your teachers out. Help the President out!

Anonymous JN September 25, 2012 12:51 PM  

I get off at 5 and it takes an hour to get home. Can I adjust it to 6 - 10 pm or should I insist that my employer install a teleportor?

Blogger Nate September 25, 2012 12:55 PM  

bah... nothing progresses linearly... least of all demographics. People change their behavior. For example... 2 years ago my town had all kinds of mexicans. Today... I can't remember the last time I saw one outside the owner of the mexican restaurant... which employs white people as waitstaff.

Blogger Joshua_D September 25, 2012 12:57 PM  

JN September 25, 2012 12:51 PM

I get off at 5 and it takes an hour to get home. Can I adjust it to 6 - 10 pm or should I insist that my employer install a teleportor?


I suggest you tell your employer that although you will need to be paid for 40 hours a week, you will have to leave at 4 pm so you can get home by 5 pm to help the public school system do it's "job."

Anonymous Monkey Boy September 25, 2012 1:02 PM  

Does anyone know why the scores among whites have dropped so much as well?

Which they have when you take into consideration that the tests have been dumbed down significantly, with the point corrections.

Anonymous Cryan Ryan September 25, 2012 1:04 PM  

Nate - good point. I've noticed fewer mexicans as well in my small whitebread town. They must have gone home to where the jobs are.

However, the trend appears to be toward a darker, dumber, angrier citizenry.

Blogger James Dixon September 25, 2012 1:12 PM  

> Look at what Southern California is like these days. That's what life in your town is going to be like within the next 20 years.

Unlikely. Possible, but not without explicit and intensive government interference.

> Does anyone know why the scores among whites have dropped so much as well?

Our wonderful public education system at work, of course.

Anonymous 11B September 25, 2012 1:13 PM  

In April 1991, Yuji Aida wrote an op-ed in the Chicago Tribune entitled, 'Melting-Pot Meltdown in the US'. In it he pointed out that as America became less European, we would become less competitive in high tech and more suitable to agribusiness. It is a really good piece considering it was written 21 years ago. Here are some excerpts.

Americans are proud of their melting-pot heritage. But as blacks, Hispanics and Asians gradually come to outnumber whites, that ideal will fade. Like the Soviet Union today, the United States will have to deal with contentious ethnic groups demanding greater autonomy and even political independence. That could prove to be industrial America`s undoing.
...

But these problems pale in comparison with the upheaval threatened by America`s demographic evolution. Do blacks and Hispanics, for instance, have the skills and knowledge to run an advanced industrial economy? If the answer is yes, America will maintain its vitality through the next century and beyond. But I`m skeptical.

In response to this op-ed, Irma Claudio, Executive director, Hispanic Alliance for Career Enhancement, decided to write a rebuttal on April 23, 1991, entitled 'Minority Workers'.

We are outraged by Yuji Aida`s opinion on ``Melting-pot meltdown in the U.S.`` (April 17, op-ed). Mr. Aida`s views are uninformed and misleading.

Contrary to his skepticism about the emerging minority workforce`s ability to keep America afloat, we firmly believe that Hispanics and other minorities are advancing excellence in the American workplace.


...

Our commitment to bring excellence to the American economy is supported by our population growth. Hispanics will remain a vital part of this economy. Our solid values and our desire to excel uniquely prepare us, contrary to Mr. Aida`s thinking, to meet the American demand and need for talented, specialized human resources and for a diverse base of knowledge.

Both of these pieces were written 21 years ago. Do we really much of a debate to determine who was right?

Anonymous Roundtine September 25, 2012 1:18 PM  

And yet, the supposed demographic saviors, despite trillions in spending, the best education that the public schools can provide, and the huge increase in college attendance, have repeatedly demonstrated that they are simply not as capable as the Americans they have been brought in to replace.

Also this: Are droids taking our jobs? I watch this video and think, what in the hell are we doing? U.S. policy is completely insane, it benefits no one except the immigrants, and even then, it only benefits those moving from the third world. An immigrant already in the U.S. also sees their standard of living decline and even faster, since immigrants head towards the same cities.

Anonymous Monkey Boy September 25, 2012 1:18 PM  

"Our wonderful public education system at work, of course."

Are these tests not at least partly IQ tests though?

If they are it would suggest whites have got dumber on average.

Anonymous Mrs. Pilgrim September 25, 2012 1:21 PM  

Oh hey no need to worry. Once some Chinese American finally perfects artificial intelligence, human-based intellect will be rendered obsolete.

Daisy, Daisy...

Anonymous Mrs. Pilgrim September 25, 2012 1:23 PM  

If they are it would suggest whites have got dumber on average.

The only way to avoid flabby arms is to lift stuff.

Same is true of brains.

Blogger JohnG September 25, 2012 1:24 PM  

Dumbed down? Awesome! Now I can git me some collige with some Obama munny!

Blogger Doom September 25, 2012 1:28 PM  

Strike the whole notion of why 'they' say they are doing anything, look to the fruits. While some weight can be given to incompetency, mismanagement, and the rest, you can't honestly think that lowering the education levels of Americans, at all levels, wasn't a primary goal. Well, or when they realized they couldn't have equality of outcome without lowering the bar, the choice was clear. Others can dicker these fine points, the sum is the same so I don't really care which and suspect there are those in both camps.

In some countries they do not have to worry about what the public thinks, and the public doesn't have input anyway. When the top Vietnamese education policy driver suggested he meant to increase illiteracy in his nation, Western journos tried to help him fudge. They asked him if what he said was a language error. *wink wink* He rejected their "help" and insisted there was no mistake in what he said. He was proud of his work. Our politicians just aren't as honest.

Anonymous zen0 September 25, 2012 1:28 PM  

Does anyone know why the scores among whites have dropped so much as well?

It means that the public education system is doing the job it was designed to do.

A+.

Anonymous Athor Pel September 25, 2012 1:33 PM  

Considering that the majority of readers here don't live in southern California and will never go there unless forced by circumstance, I would like to ask some readers from southern California what life is like there.


Please provide some anecdotes illustrating major themes. I have some idea what to expect but real life experiences are usually weirder than our imaginations and we can't imagine every circumstance.

Anonymous HardReturn¶ September 25, 2012 1:35 PM  

How 'bout that Flynn Effect! It is doubly pathetic like Vox pointed out--the youngsters have already had their scores handicapped relative to those who took ye olde SAT and they still suck.

Blogger A September 25, 2012 1:37 PM  

Is it at all possible television, then video games, then the computer and internet have something to do with this decline (because of how those things decrease our ability to focus)? How do we know exactly what has caused the decline in the white population? What if it was a change in parental style from the baby boomers? What if was fluoride in the water? What if kids were actually getting more intelligent because they realize working hard at school is less important? What about the betaization of the male?

Blogger Lovekraft September 25, 2012 1:38 PM  

Just last week there was a debate on TV news about elementary school test results being sub par. On the one side, there's the 'guy on the right' declaring this is a failure on the part of teachers and the education bureaucracy.

Then you have the loony leftist (Margot Kidder's sister, actually), from some nutty organization, arguing that actual standards shouldn't be considered because there are so many other ways to measure a child's aptitude, such as personal development.

Southern California, I suspect, is not that far ahead of Ontario Canada which has more than it's share of misguided, arrogant liberals.

Anonymous Roundtine September 25, 2012 1:38 PM  

Athoro Pelo:
Teniendo en cuenta que la mayoría de los lectores aquí no vive en el sur de California y nunca volveremos allí a menos que obligado por las circunstancias, me gustaría preguntar a algunos lectores del sur de California como es la vida allí.


Sírvanse proporcionar algunas anécdotas que ilustran temas importantes. Tengo una idea de qué esperar, pero las experiencias de la vida real suelen ser más raro que nuestra imaginación y no podemos imaginar todas las circunstancias.

Anonymous zeonxavier September 25, 2012 1:42 PM  

We reap what we sow. Our elite "Progressives" desired an educational system designed to reward blind obedience, create incurious attitudes, and give equal time to both useful information and subjects with no real application.

Most high school, and even college graduates leave the system with a sheet of paper, and wonder how they are to apply what they have learned. The lack of a valuation system that might allow them to sift through the dross appears to be a standard feature.

Anonymous VD September 25, 2012 1:46 PM  

Does anyone know why the scores among whites have dropped so much as well?

More of them taking the test. Also, the schools are getting worse.

Anonymous carnaby September 25, 2012 1:54 PM  

Meh on SAT scores as a measure of anything. I scored below 500 in the verbal part of my SAT back in 1989, and stickwick scored in the mid 500's. She's got a doctorate in Physics from UT and I've got a PhD in aerospace engineering from the UW. English is our native language. Lack of practice and preparation had more to do with our crappy scores than anything else.

OpenID ZT September 25, 2012 1:55 PM  

On the bright side, it will mean home schooled kids will probably be in even higher demand because they actually have the intellectual development to do what needs to be done.

Good for me and mine.

Anonymous Yorzhik September 25, 2012 1:59 PM  

I would guess it has more to do with school monopoly and less to do with immigrants, although the stupid immigrants we allow in the country probably isn't helping.

Don't they break down the scores on native English speakers and non?

Anonymous Stickwick September 25, 2012 2:10 PM  

I scored below 500 in the verbal part of my SAT

You still suck at writing. But you're probably one of the most skilled people I know in mathematics, applied physics, and programming. (Carnaby is my bro, if that's not apparent.)

and stickwick scored in the mid 500's

I did? I have no memory of that. Well, I did much better on the GRE. Practiced precisely zilch for both, which was a mistake.

Lack of practice and preparation had more to do with our crappy scores than anything else.

For most people, practice is very important. You really should devote an entire semester to preparing for the SAT or the GRE. Your average bright kid these days has little sense of the sheer amount of tedious work required to succeed academically. But for geniuses, that's not really an issue. Dad got a perfect 800 math and a near-perfect 780 verbal on the GRE back in the day without any preparation at all. Maybe we're just idiots compared with him.

Anonymous O.C. September 25, 2012 2:15 PM  

Does anyone know why the scores among whites have dropped so much as well?

According to my kids, it's because the white kids see that the black and Hispanic kids can get away with anything and aren't expected to do jack, and a lot of them start thinking, "Hey, why am I working so hard?" They choose to dumb themselves down, to meet the socially accepted norms of achievement and behavior.

Anonymous Stickwick September 25, 2012 2:16 PM  

... it is now an achievement test rather than an aptitude test.

Vox, will you explain what you mean by this?

Does anyone know why the scores among whites have dropped so much as well?

It means that the public education system is doing the job it was designed to do.


It wasn't deliberately designed that way. The public school system was engineered to create compliant little humanists, but those who engineered the system did not anticipate or desire the utter incompetence that has been a byproduct of their methods. They were anticipating something more like what European high schools produce -- kids who are filled with the approved humanist propaganda, but who can still read, write, and do math.

Blogger Nate September 25, 2012 2:17 PM  

"They must have gone home to where the jobs are."

Alabama's bill scared the crap out of them. Most of them went to TN.

Anonymous Mrs. Pilgrim September 25, 2012 2:25 PM  

Athor Pel, in case you can't read Spanish, Roundtine translated what you wrote (roughly).

Makes a good point, though.

Anonymous Stingray September 25, 2012 2:25 PM  

it will mean home schooled kids will probably be in even higher demand because they actually have the intellectual development to do what needs to be done.

I've been thinking a lot about this lately and have started to wonder, how long will this be allowed? In most states, it is currently relatively easy to homeschool. With more and more people choosing to go this route and with the learning gap between homeschoolers and public schoolers growing, how long until regulations are put in place to close the gap?

Carnaby is my bro, if that's not apparent.

Very nice. Pleased to meet you, Carnaby.

Anonymous DrTorch September 25, 2012 2:49 PM  

Does anyone know why the scores among whites have dropped so much as well?

A greater percentage of the population taking the test. That number has gone up as secular utopiaists have pushed their "college for everyone" mantra.

In fairness, if 25% of students took the test 40 years ago, and 50% do now, then a better comparison would be the top half of this year's scores to those in the past. I'm curious as to what the result of that would be. I'm guessing higher scores as the test has gotten easier and suburban kids now spend more time and money preparing for the test.

Really, what these results say to me is that the testing services are making a bundle of money.

Anonymous Holla September 25, 2012 2:52 PM  

"Look at what Southern California is like these days. That's what life in your town is going to be like within the next 20 years."

I'll finally be able to get some good tacos in Roosterpoot, Arkansas.

Anonymous Holla September 25, 2012 2:55 PM  

It also seems likely that SAT scores have gone down because the SAT marketers and Higher Education hucksters have convinced everyone that they need to go to college.

I would bet a lifetime supply of mole sauce that had the numbers of college-unworthy whites been tricked into taking their SATs in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, the average would of been similarly piss-poor.

Anonymous Monkey Boy September 25, 2012 2:55 PM  

"More of them taking the test. Also, the schools are getting worse."

The point about how terrible public schools are still stands, but I found this about the more people taking it point:



"A key point is missing from the SAT score discussion. It has been proven that the declines in scores are NOT merely due to an increased number of test takers, or an increased number of minority test-takers, or any similar reason. The proof is that the absolute number of students scoring above certain levels declined during the 1970s, with the comparison being based on a test with a fixed norming throughout the period. So, if the absolute number of students scoring above 700 on the verbal portion (or the math portion) declines, this is not explainable by adding in some low scorers to the test taking pool, which is an explanation that only works for declines in average scores.

See a discussion here with footnotes. Quoting from the article:

http://www.preservenet.com/endgrowth/EndGrowth.html#Education

During the 1960s and early 1970s, spending on education soared, but scores on the SAT plunged after peaking in 1963-64. In part, this was because the pool of test-takers increased, but in 1977, a panel organized by the College Board found that the decline was also caused by lowered expectations, reduced homework, and increasing numbers of non-academic courses.26 In fact, from 1972-1994, there was a 37 percent decline in the number of students who scored above 700 and a 50 percent decline in the number of students who scored above 750 on the SAT; since this is a decline of absolute numbers with high scores, not of the percentage with high scores, it cannot be explained by the larger pool of students taking the test.27

26: Dianne Ravitch, “Defining Literacy Downward,” New York Times, Aug 28, 1996.

27: Gatto, Underground History of American Education, p. 55.

When I examine reference 27, I find this quote:

What should be made of a 50 per cent decline among the most rarefied group of test takers, those who score above 750? 2,817 American students reached this pinnacle in 1972; 1,438 did in 1994 — when kids took a much easier test. Can a 50 per cent decline occur in 22 years without signaling that some massive leveling in the public school mind is underway?"

Anonymous VD September 25, 2012 2:56 PM  

Lack of practice and preparation had more to do with our crappy scores than anything else.

I would say "lack of vocabulary", actually. And you can blame your Dad for that....

Anonymous DT September 25, 2012 2:57 PM  

Look at what Southern California is like these days. That's what life in your town is going to be like within the next 20 years.

Sooo...gated community on one side of town, barrio on the other? Sounds like America's future.

Anonymous Porky? September 25, 2012 2:59 PM  

They are all winners just for taking the SAT test.

I give them all an A+ for being good persons, respecting everyone else's diversity, limiting their trans-fat consumption, and helping to reduce their carbon footprints.

Anonymous Idle Spectator September 25, 2012 2:59 PM  

Now Vox, let's say I got a guy. Nothing wrong with him. No alcohol or drug problem, and no criminal record. He smokes marlboros, but most of them do at this level. He wants to start a family and be productive.

One catch: he is dumb as shit with an 80 IQ.

Now, I picked 80 because roughly 20% of the general population has an IQ less than 87. Not a small number at a 1/5 ratio.

What am I supposed to do with this person? Do I tell him to complete a STEM degree? How is he supposed to pass chemistry when he can't even get past algebra? Is even capable enough to get past a tech school when adding gives him trouble?

Do I put him on an simple assembly line? Nope, they are disappearing.
How about some farming? Disappeared.
Do I give him a construction job? Yeah, basically that is all that is left. Maybe fast food. Or welfare. Or crime.


I know people like this. Now multiply the effects 100-fold with immigration.

Bad, bad, bad, days ahead.

Anonymous DrTorch September 25, 2012 3:01 PM  

What should be made of a 50 per cent decline among the most rarefied group of test takers, those who score above 750? 2,817 American students reached this pinnacle in 1972; 1,438 did in 1994 — when kids took a much easier test. Can a 50 per cent decline occur in 22 years without signaling that some massive leveling in the public school mind is underway?"

I didn't appreciate that, Monkey Boy. I thought it was just average scores that were declining. Given that the population has increased, as well as the number of test-takers w/in that population, I see yours as a very viable hypothesis.

Others might include:

Poor nutrition.

Higher stress at the importance of these tests for admissions or financial aid.

But, those seem unlikely to me, especially the latter.

Anonymous TLM September 25, 2012 3:03 PM  

My 2 cents is that the eradication of male teachers has also contributed to lack of performance. Throughout my elementary & HS education, all public schools, we had about a 60/40 female to male teacher ratio. This would have been between 1974 to 1986. At my kids private Christian school (K-12 & one of the largest in the country), you can count all the male teachers on one hand. And besides a few old-timers, the others are young churchian betas to the bone. Personally, I can't think of anything significant my female teachers ever taught, but many of those male teachers left a positive learning experience.

Anonymous Holla September 25, 2012 3:04 PM  

"What should be made of a 50 per cent decline among the most rarefied group of test takers, those who score above 750? 2,817 American students reached this pinnacle in 1972; 1,438 did in 1994 — when kids took a much easier test. Can a 50 per cent decline occur in 22 years without signaling that some massive leveling in the public school mind is underway?"

That's interesting, but it doesn't seem that the sole blame for this can be laid at the feet of public schools, as bad as they may be.

Did this study only survey public school SAT takers, or private schools as well?

I got 740 on the verbal SAT, but was not a great student in HS. I've always been a voracious reader and prolific writer, however. I wonder if the internet is much to blame for the degenerating verbal skills.

Anonymous Josh September 25, 2012 3:05 PM  

"They must have gone home to where the jobs are."Alabama's bill scared the crap out of them. Most of them went to TN.

Thanks for that, you bastards.

Did you claim clearing the illegals as your 15th national championship?

Anonymous Stickwick September 25, 2012 3:12 PM  

I would say "lack of vocabulary", actually. And you can blame your Dad for that....

Carnaby was too busy with football and STEM subjects to do much reading. His older son, however, is a voracious reader and one helluva smart kid. His younger son is some kind of verbal prodigy who was already speaking in complete sentences with big words at 16 months. Musta skipped a generation. :^D

Anonymous O.C. September 25, 2012 3:20 PM  

> What should be made of a 50 per cent decline among the most rarefied group of test takers, those who score above 750?

I suggest it's caused by the ascendancy of radical egalitarianism and the war against meritocracy. Before about 1970 nearly every school system had some kind of program for gifted and talented students. After about that date, the idea that some children were naturally brighter than others became anathema, the gifted & talented programs were abolished, and instead the money was poured into programs to "mainstream" kids who in all honesty probably belonged in psychiatric hospitals or prisons.

Anonymous Clay September 25, 2012 3:24 PM  

"Nate September 25, 2012 2:17 PM "They must have gone home to where the jobs are."

Alabama's bill scared the crap out of them. Most of them went to TN."


They sure as hell didn't come to Mississippi. They already have full employment at the chicken-plucking plants.

Anonymous Mrs. Pilgrim September 25, 2012 3:36 PM  

Before about 1970 nearly every school system had some kind of program for gifted and talented students. After about that date, the idea that some children were naturally brighter than others became anathema, the gifted & talented programs were abolished...

Those programs that weren't abolished began to integrate unrelated course work. English classes started emphasizing finger painting; science teachers began assigning novels and the script of "Galileo"; math courses introduced meditation exercises; and history classes offered trivia sessions where the student who could identify the most TV-show themes got to play with the authentic reproduction Celtic shield for ten minutes.

How I wish I were exaggerating.

Blogger Nate September 25, 2012 3:41 PM  

"Thanks for that, you bastards.

Did you claim clearing the illegals as your 15th national championship?"

No that's early in november after we beat LSU.

Anonymous Holla September 25, 2012 3:42 PM  

"I suggest it's caused by the ascendancy of radical egalitarianism and the war against meritocracy. Before about 1970 nearly every school system had some kind of program for gifted and talented students. After about that date, the idea that some children were naturally brighter than others became anathema, the gifted & talented programs were abolished, and instead the money was poured into programs to "mainstream" kids who in all honesty probably belonged in psychiatric hospitals or prisons."

This is just patently untrue. Most (if not all) public high schools have an AP program that has to be tested into.

Anonymous Kriston September 25, 2012 3:53 PM  

Part of the decline is actually teaching test-taking.

When I started school in 1960 I was told that the tests were there for ME. By taking a test I would see how to use the knowledge that I had been learning for the past few days.

By sixth grade I was being taught a new concept, the art of "cramming" for a test. Instead of tests being a surprise we would be told what day and what material would be on the test. We would then be told what pages of the book to read to get this info the day before.

This method will bring up test scores in the short term. Ask anyone who does this any question on the test two weeks later and you will usually get blank stares.

This is NOT learning, it is test-taking. This is why something as large as the SAT are so telling. It is not that easy to cram so much data into short term memory. And if the test requires actual skills you really have problems.

Anonymous O.C. September 25, 2012 4:14 PM  

Sorry, but I've got to go with what Mrs. Pilgrim said. I'm the product of a 1960s-era gifted and talented program, and my program produced a disproportionate number of medical doctors, lawyers, PhDs, college deans, and two authentic rocket scientists. (One NASA; one defense industry.) I'm the artsy-fartsy slacker of the group.

My kids have all gone through 1990s to contemporary public school AP programs, and in terms of program scale, quality of the material being taught, and the quality of the teaching itself, the difference between what was AP then and what passes for AP now is appalling.

You can call it AP if you like. Hell, you can call it the Master of the Universe program, if it makes you feel better. But the kids coming out of contemporary public school AP programs are by and large illiterate, aliterate, and innumerate.

Oh, but their self-esteem is off the charts. No one can put a dent in their self-esteem.

Anonymous MendoScot September 25, 2012 4:32 PM  

Oh, but their self-esteem is off the charts. No one can put a dent in their self-esteem.

Same in the UK. They recently did a comparison of acquired knowledge (not test scores) between today's students and those of 25 years ago. Today's 14-year olds have the same knowledge base as the 12-year olds of yore, across the board. But they scored higher in self-esteem today.

"Ignorant and arrogant is no way to go throught life, boy." What movie was that?

Anonymous ridip September 25, 2012 4:43 PM  

Holla, you're wrong. Today's AP courses are not what the gifted programs of the late 60s and early 70s were. They are merely feeder systems for the colleges. AP chem, physics, history, English, etc. even in the early 80s was a joke. My gifted classes in the early 70s were honestly accelerated.

I was reading at Junior High level in 2nd. Between 2nd and 3rd they banned tracking, skipping grades, etc. I was nearly held back in 3rd because they drug me back to Dick and Jane and I tuned out.

Our urban school found ways around the law by leaving some decisions up to the students. I was doing chemistry in 4th and taking High School summer classes after 5th under the pretext of my piss poor handwriting. It was great. I had fun and learned a lot.

Then we moved to "one of the best" suburban districts in the state and I was thrown in with everyone else. Wanna guess why I nearly failed out
My Senior year inspire of all the AP the school offered? B.O.R.I.N.G.

Anonymous Stilicho September 25, 2012 4:44 PM  

AP versus "gifted" goes back to the achievement versus aptitude difference. I experienced the sea change in public school gifted programs starting in the 70's when IQ tests were used to screen students. The minimum acceptable IQ score was 140, so there were relatively few students involved (the school attempted to keep the scores secret from the students with a remarkable lack of success. The scores in my school that I recall ranged from 140 to 161.). The program morphed over the years from one where the brighter students were removed from regular classes several times per week to pursue studies far in advance of their contemporaries into a program that was more focused on touchy-feely nonsense and eventually devolved into a meaningless enterprise where the children of teachers and school administrators were admitted to the program by fiat so that they could put it on their college applications. Even then, any relief from the monotony of regular classes was still welcome, so there was still some value to the program.

Anonymous Clay September 25, 2012 4:48 PM  

Mendo, I believe you're thinking of, "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."

From Animal House. Dean Wormer talking to Flounder....at least, I think it was Flounder.

Anonymous Robert in Arabia September 25, 2012 4:52 PM  

The world has just turned upside down if this is true.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/24/israels-netanyahu-and-the-jewish-neocons-in-america-vow-revenge/

Anonymous Mrs. Pilgrim September 25, 2012 5:05 PM  

This is just patently untrue. Most (if not all) public high schools have an AP program that has to be tested into.

I can only speak of my own personal knowledge in this, unfortunately, but it should serve as an example of why AP programs are not always what you think they are:

The local public high school of my youth--which had the fun and games I described above--also had an AP calculus class. I was already attending college full-time and taking Calc II by the time I would have been eligible (long story and not wholly relevant), but my class and my sister's had similar experiences.

The class was a joke. Almost all of the time was spent clowning--sometimes literally, with juggling lessons. The kids were pumped up and told that they were learning, that they had this, that they knew what they were doing.

For years, not one single student passed the Calculus AP exam. In other words, not one student had acquired the education that the program was intended to provide. This was the only calculus course the school offered by that time.

Oh, and my sister? Much as she's my sister and all, she flunked out of college despite a light schedule--no mean feat for a girl who's even more straight-and-narrow than I am. She "tested into" the AP class.

Now, this isn't to say that all schools are like this, but these kinds of shenanigans are tolerated in the system.

Anonymous E. PERLINE September 25, 2012 5:07 PM  

Do you want to know who the real culprits are for lowering our standards? The educational system is blamed but I think it's only secondary.

The primary cause was television.

This medium is responsible for giving growth hormone to tribal cultures. The previous culture (before the 1950s) was no bargain either. But at least it had several directions it could take.

Today's language and popular music skills can go nowhere.

Anonymous Mrs. Pilgrim September 25, 2012 5:08 PM  

The world has just turned upside down if this is true.

Speaking only for myself (and I am unanimous in this), I don't find an article persuasive that starts with the assumption that Ben Gurion had JFK assassinated over nukes.

Anonymous JCclimber September 25, 2012 5:18 PM  

I work for a top company. We can get over to 300 college grads applying for every job opening. You'd think that we'd be getting the cream of the college crops. And maybe we are....
...but their performance over the first FIVE years is seriously lacking. At first I thought it was because they'd burned out their brains doing some drugs in high school and college. Then that maybe we were hiring based on which college they came out of (I pi$$ on UCLA and Stanford and Cal Berkeley students), rather than on what they had learned in college. There may still be some element of truth to both of these.

But as I talk to them about what their grade school and high school curricula were, and compare that with my private school education in the 70's and 80's, I've come to the conclusion that it is a combo of several lethal factors.
1) Way too much Television and junk learning
2) Both parents working full time
3) Horrible school systems
4) Hiring agents who hire based on pieces of paper rather than job history and aptitude

Blogger LP 999/Eliza September 25, 2012 5:23 PM  

Great post, sad though.

View this: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/09/25/3554341/sat-averages-dip-especially-in.html

Blogger James Dixon September 25, 2012 5:37 PM  

> No that's early in november after we beat LSU.

Ah yes, the SEC. The league with the most championships for playing with themselves. :)

One of them probably deserved it. It's a shame we'll never know which one.

Anonymous Robert in Arabia September 25, 2012 5:53 PM  



“The authors conclude that Israel is currently the greatest threat to US national interests because its nature and actions prevent normal US relations with Arab and Muslim countries and, to a growing degree, the wider international community.”–Frank Lamb, “US Preparing for Post-Israel Middle East?”, Foreign Policy Journal

Now comes yet another dramatic moment in American and Israeli history. According to the authoritative Foreign Policy Journal, all sixteen U.S. intelligence agencies, including the CIA, the DEA, the NSA, the FBI, and others—have drafted an amazing, 82-page classified report entitled “Preparing for a Post-Israel Middle East.”

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/08/28/us-preparing-for-a-post-israel-middle-east/

Anonymous The One September 25, 2012 6:01 PM  

In the interest in looking on the bright side, what do Latin American countries produce? Germans- technology, Italians- art, so what will a future America be producing?

Anonymous O.C. September 25, 2012 6:05 PM  

Bananas?

Anonymous zen0 September 25, 2012 7:07 PM  

Now, this isn't to say that all schools are like this, but these kinds of shenanigans are tolerated in the system.

She must have been in the very same AP program Holla attended.

Anonymous Stilicho September 25, 2012 7:35 PM  

so what will a future America be producing?

Peasants? Tacos? Socialists? Dictators?

Anonymous JI September 25, 2012 7:43 PM  

So we'll be like Southern California in 20 years? Must be global warming. Am looking forward to it.

Anonymous Kickass September 25, 2012 7:49 PM  

What did you do to them Nate?

Anonymous Kickass September 25, 2012 7:56 PM  

I am sure that Stickwick is thrilled you shared that carnaby. I miss her sharing her lustfull fantasies.

Anonymous Idle Spectator September 25, 2012 8:19 PM  

Peasants? Tacos? Socialists? Dictators?

All of the above.

I think it's going to be latinoamericanization.

I can't for Venezuelan-level city violence.
Or a good old-fashioned La Violencia like in Colombia.
Perhaps some violent land grabs like in Belize.
Or a thirty-year civil war like in Guatamala.
Or maybe slums will pop up like Cidade de Deus in Brazil.


Bring the tequila!

Or maybe the Oaxaqueño-type of Mezcal that is con gusano, or sold with the little Agave worm in the bottom of the bottle.

Anonymous salt September 25, 2012 8:31 PM  

OT -

Saw this at Market Ticker... if you haven't seen it...

Alan Keyes on Obama and Romney

Anonymous Sheila September 25, 2012 8:32 PM  

I remember my AP classes (early 70s) with great fondness. My AP American History teacher was a former marine with a buzz cut, who commanded absolute attention from our class of cynical, "cool," 70s teenagers. The last I heard, he was quite surprised that I (who did papers almost exclusively on social history) got a 5 on my exam, when so many of the guys (who wrote about the Wobblies) got 4s. Point was, personal interests notwithstanding, I listened in class and read widely, so I did well on the exam, and I extensively quoted the original source documents to buttress my solid, well-documented argument for my position on the essay questions.

When our older son finished 8th grade at his Christian school, we sent him to the lauded public high school in our neighborhood. At my urging, he signed up for an "Honors History" class that, as the two male teachers described it to me, seemed like a wonderful interdisciplinary study, the way so many of my best college classes were (bringing art, music, and literature of the period to bear on the actual historical events). He ended up loathing the class, which turned out to be precisely the touchy/feely/creatively liberal self-esteem fest others have described as the current educational trends for purportedly bright students. Public school advanced classes were self-esteem boosters for students and parents. Private school classes intended for all demanded actual studying and solid academic achievement.

In general, I dismiss anyone who boasts of high SAT scores, AP scores, or Honors classes since the 80s. I defy any of them to pass the average 9th grade test given to American students prior to Woodrow Wilson's era.

Anonymous The One September 25, 2012 9:00 PM  

I think some of you are being too cynical. God did not create the brown and black races to never contribute to humanity. At some point when they have a high culture, they will produce something positive. Now maybe we won't be around to witness it is true. St Patrick could have said similar comments about the White Irish hundreds of years ago.

Anonymous hoosiertoo September 25, 2012 9:09 PM  

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/24/israels-netanyahu-and-the-jewish-neocons-in-america-vow-revenge/

Bilge.

Anonymous zen0 September 25, 2012 9:33 PM  

salt September 25, 2012 8:31 PM

OT -

Saw this at Market Ticker... if you haven't seen it...

Alan Keyes on Obama and Romney


Brilliant exposition. Counterpush explained. Anybody who votes for Romney after seeing that is into S&M.

Anonymous The other skeptic September 25, 2012 9:34 PM  

A man who serves a foreign power and has a life-long history of subversion and sabotage of America’s foreign and domestic policy may, on that day, be making his inaugural address in Washington, D.C.

Who are we talking about here?

Anonymous paleopaleo September 25, 2012 10:39 PM  

...help the public school system do it's "job."

It's its "job", not it's "job."

What private school did you go to?

Blogger Tertius Lydgate September 25, 2012 10:47 PM  

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Blogger Tertius Lydgate September 25, 2012 10:48 PM  

This result is not indicative of idiocracy but only evidence of the larger sample size of SAT test-takers, as more borderline college students are encouraged to take the test. Our public school system may be failing us, but claiming this metric proves it is intellectually dishonest. After all, the Flynn effect is real!

Also, the new SAT may be easier, but it is still an aptitude test rather than a achievement test. If you don't believe me, buy the Real SAT Blue Book and do the highest difficulty-rated math problems. They are designed to test problem solving. I have taken the pre-2006 and post-2006 test as well as tutored many students, and you see the diminishing results of progressive study hours characteristic of an aptitude test versus an achievement test.

Blogger Nate September 25, 2012 11:01 PM  

"Ah yes, the SEC. The league with the most championships for playing with themselves. :)

One of them probably deserved it. It's a shame we'll never know which one."

The fact is son... the SEC is the only college football conference that matters. Everyone else is just lining up to see who gets to be the next victim.

Simple truth...

Alabama would be a 7 point favorite over any team in the country right now.

Anonymous Anonymous September 26, 2012 12:41 AM  

"so what will a future America be producing?"

Some unpalatable booze, grub that straight white men aren't fond of, and the buildings to house comfort products and pampering services for women.

Jon

Anonymous 11B September 26, 2012 1:18 AM  

The fact is son... the SEC is the only college football conference that matters. Everyone else is just lining up to see who gets to be the next victim.

It's true. The SEC's black football players are superior to any other conference.

Anonymous physphilmusic September 26, 2012 1:40 AM  

Today's SAT math is a joke. I remember being asked questions like being asked to find X from a single, linear equation. Most students from Asia who are applying to US colleges would be able to do it in their sleep. I seriously question the intelligence of anyone who can't get above 700.

As for the critical reading, now that requires some skills which cannot be picked up by simply studying for a week, or even a month.

Anonymous DrTorch September 26, 2012 9:10 AM  

The fact is son... the SEC is the only college football conference that matters.

Until it gets chilly. Then SEC players just curl up into a ball, shivering. Or they get hurt. Pansies.

Anonymous Athor Pel September 26, 2012 9:18 AM  

"Mrs. Pilgrim September 25, 2012 2:25 PM

Athor Pel, in case you can't read Spanish, Roundtine translated what you wrote (roughly).

Makes a good point, though."





Yeah, I got that. Cracked me up.

Anonymous scoobius dubious September 26, 2012 9:23 AM  

"Most students from Asia who are applying to US colleges would be able to do it in their sleep."

Then why in the world are legendary genius Asians applying to crappy down-graded US colleges for an inferior education in the land of foreign ghosts?

In the spirit of the SAT, let's use the proper vocabulary words:

Asian "students" aren't students at all.

They are colonizers.

They are invaders.

Blogger James Dixon September 26, 2012 10:03 AM  

> Alabama would be a 7 point favorite over any team in the country right now.

Probably. Maybe this year they'll actually bother to play one of them and prove it. We'll see.

Anonymous Clay September 26, 2012 10:12 AM  

No. The deal is, YOU come to Alabama to get your ass-whooping.

As a consolation prize, you get to see what pretty women look like.

(Sabin better watch his ass out for MS. State this year, tho)

Anonymous scoobius dubious September 26, 2012 10:36 AM  

The last two comments are of course platinum-class illustrations of why exactly this country is being ruthlessly and irreversibly colonized.

College football. Huh. My imported black thugs who have no business being on a college campus can whup _your_ imported black thugs who have no business being on a college campus.

Woo hoo.

Go, whoever!

Anonymous The other skeptic September 26, 2012 10:53 AM  

Some of them think that fabricating stuff about the Holocaust will help keep us in subservience

Anonymous Jimmy The Dead Greek September 26, 2012 11:16 AM  

"Imported Blacks". Imported! I'll have you know we bred & raised them right here in Dixie.

Besides...you're a goofy dog who hangs around with a hippie, a lesbian, a homo, and a drama queen, so what would you know about football?

Anonymous scoobius dubious September 26, 2012 11:42 AM  

"Imported Blacks". Imported! I'll have you know we bred & raised them right here in Dixie."

Huh. Funny, I didn't actually say "imported blacks", what I said was, "imported black _thugs_ who have no business being on a college campus"

Which is to say, "imported" onto a college campus where they have no legitimate academic business.

But it's nice to see some continuity for the grand traditions of Dixie: y'all still dumber than a cartoon dog.

"What would you know about football?"

I wasn't talking about football, caveman, I was using it to illustrate a point about something else. Man, I love you guys. If the South didn't exist, I'd have to make it up, just for my own amusement.

Now fetch me a scooby snack, your massah's got de munchies.



Anonymous Anonymous September 26, 2012 2:53 PM  

& hit the dunes on a dirtbike!

Anonymous physphilmusic September 26, 2012 3:52 PM  

Then why in the world are legendary genius Asians applying to crappy down-graded US colleges for an inferior education in the land of foreign ghosts?

As I alluded to in my comment, it's the critical reading and writing section which trip them up. Especially the former. Even with Asian-level OCD studying, it's hard to fake, because you really have to understand the subtle nuances of English. That being said, I have heard of a friend of a friend, a Vietnamese student who crammed like crazy and got a 2400.

And secondly, the cost. If you can't get into Harvard (which usually gives ample financial aid), then your options are probably a state uni which will charge you extra as an international. If your parents aren't rich enough but still want to be able to brag of the prestige of "my kid is studying in the US", community college is the last option.

In the spirit of the SAT, let's use the proper vocabulary words:

Asian "students" aren't students at all.

They are colonizers.

They are invaders.


You can't really apply the label to the people who are "applying to crappy down-graded US colleges for an inferior education." Most of them aren't on scholarships, they come because their parents are rich enough to do so, and most will eventually return to take over the family business anyway. Back when my father (who is a pastor) used to serve in Canada, there was a trio of siblings who each took 6-7 years to finish their bachelor's degree. Their father spent maybe about 250k altogether. And they went back to their home country. What they do now has nothing to do with their degree. It was all just for show, and who benefited? Canadians who owned those expensive private colleges. It's just like an extended holiday.

That being said, I can grant that you have a point. I am disgusted at the chauvinism, especially Chinese, shown by quite a number of East Asians who come to the US.

Anonymous WaterBoy September 26, 2012 4:06 PM  

scoobius doobius: "The last two comments are of course platinum-class illustrations of why exactly this country is being ruthlessly and irreversibly colonized."

That's right! By George, the only sport to be discussed, worthy of our forefathers, is quoits!

Harumph!

Anonymous Anonymous September 27, 2012 12:32 AM  

Southern California it's like the modern day Babel. There really is no majority here; except for Latins and Asians taking over LA. One block might be safe and the next block can be a barrio warzone. LA is a city that if you drive from Outerburbs being Banning in the east all the way to Ventura to the west you are looking at 130 miles of nothing but city. LA is defintitely not all of So Cal, buts it's immediately what people outside of CA think of.

I don't live in LA though I do have to go there quite a bit. I'm out in the Coachella Valley (Palm Springs). It's like a retiree golf rich persons dream playground. For us chumps like me who have to actually work in our shit based service economy it's
paycheck to paycheck. Most people I do work with it can be tough to have an intelligent honest English conversation because English might be their second or
third language.

I am not really a fan of this state politically speaking. I did not grow up here. Actually I moved Here 7 years ago for work. California itself is a beautiful state that has natural beauty that would blow your mind. But the California dream is long dead. It's so overregulated it makes me want to puke. Gun laws are retarded. And probably the only place I can think of that would be more diverse would be NYC.

Just my two cents

Anonymous Anonymous September 27, 2012 12:46 AM  

Southern California it's like the modern day Babel. There really is no majority here; except for Latins and Asians taking over LA. One block might be safe and the next block can be a barrio warzone. LA is a city that if you drive from Outerburbs being Banning in the east all the way to Ventura to the west you are looking at 130 miles of nothing but city. LA is defintitely not all of So Cal, buts it's immediately what people outside of CA think of.

I don't live in LA though I do have to go there quite a bit. I'm out in the Coachella Valley (Palm Springs). It's like a retiree golf rich persons dream playground. For us chumps like me who have to actually work in our shit based service economy it's
paycheck to paycheck. Most people I do work with it can be tough to have an intelligent honest English conversation because English might be their second or
third language.

I am not really a fan of this state politically speaking. I did not grow up here. Actually I moved Here 7 years ago for work. California itself is a beautiful state that has natural beauty that would blow your mind. But the California dream is long dead. It's so overregulated it makes me want to puke. Gun laws are retarded. And probably the only place I can think of that would be more diverse would be NYC.

Just my two cents

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