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Monday, September 10, 2012

Trekkie Game

Contemplating the important questions at Alpha Game:

You can always trust a smart, unattractive man in the mold of Isaac Asimov to leap with certainty to the wrong conclusion when women are concerned. Just as you can trust a young woman to have no idea what it is that is tripping her attraction triggers. Granted, Asimov himself knew better - hence his joke about growing his ears out - but men are as deluded about the sex appeal of intelligence, honor, godliness, sincerity, and dedication as women are about educational degrees, snark, and being gainfully employed.

Intelligence is a useful DHV when a man is already considered attractive, but his intelligence is not why Spock was considered dreamy by women. After all, Scotty was plenty smart too and women didn't think he was dreamy.

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Blogger Positive Dennis September 10, 2012 4:06 PM  

Unhura liked Scotty.

Anonymous Josh September 10, 2012 4:09 PM  

I thought chicks dug guys with accents...

Blogger Lovekraft September 10, 2012 4:10 PM  

I would only find a female-spock "do-able" if she was hot. And even then, I would hope she would apply her intelligence to sex.

If she was plain or gross, but brainy, she would be annoying because, knowing how pop culture operates, she would be interjected into situations far above her worth.

Anonymous Hubbard September 10, 2012 4:15 PM  

Mr. Spock is a sigma. He doesn't play social games by the normal rules, but he attracts women precisely because he doesn't need one. His raw intelligence doesn't hurt anything, but the Vulcan death grip is what attracts that nurse who always was throwing herself at him.

Anonymous DavidOfOne September 10, 2012 4:21 PM  

What of Kirk?

Kirk was successful human male across species, planets, cosmos, the ship, other ships, rocks, fields of energy, time, space and likely himself.

Anonymous Move Zig September 10, 2012 4:26 PM  

I never knew or met any woman who thought Spock was sexy.
You sure they weren't talking about DR Spock?

Blogger James Dixon September 10, 2012 4:38 PM  

> I never knew or met any woman who thought Spock was sexy.

You never met any woman who admitted to finding Spock sexy. There is a difference.

Anonymous A.Handle September 10, 2012 4:50 PM  

"but the Vulcan death grip is what attracts that nurse who always was throwing herself at him."

Indeed Spock had some game.

Anonymous Daniel September 10, 2012 5:05 PM  

Zounds. Ever since you started singing the bunny song, your topics have been awfully squirrelly. Did something in you break during the great World Net Readership Watershed?

Hilarious stuff, in any case, especially considering that Roddenberry is High Lord Gamma of Gammatron.

Anonymous Jeigh Di September 10, 2012 5:08 PM  

If I recall correctly, Scotty was more interested in engineering manuals than women except when on shore leave, and then he wasn't that particular.

On the set though, women were always hanging around Leonard Nimoy when he was in make up.

Anonymous Ain September 10, 2012 5:10 PM  

Being dreamy in a script doesn't count.

Anonymous Orville September 10, 2012 5:16 PM  

Kirk had irrational confidence and swagger down, and his wing man Spock nailed aloof game.

Anonymous Orville September 10, 2012 5:24 PM  

And let's not forget his kino action with that mind meld trick.

Blogger JDC September 10, 2012 5:38 PM  

I'm just trying to come with a credible scenario where I would find myself in a discussion with a woman about which characters on Star Trek she found appealing (daughters commenting on the dreaminess of Vulcans aside).

Hey regarding Star Trek - does Picard's bald head do it for ya, or do yo prefer Riker's promiscuity and stupid smile? Would you prefer to be date-raped by Worf, or have Data go at ya with is multi-use genitalia.

I would think most women would want Data - who, of course, has no need for them.

Anonymous Keb September 10, 2012 6:14 PM  

I can vouch for the fact that yes, Spock is seen as sexy by girls. Mom has admitted to having a crush on him back when the show was on the air. I'd take him over Kirk any day myself.

I don't know if I entirely agree with Vox's conclusions as to the reasons behind it, but, yes, Spock = sexy.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation (Ben) September 10, 2012 6:40 PM  

Where's Evil Kirk when you need him?

What about the Borg?
Via Zerohedge http://www.zerohedge.com/news/scam-trek-caption-contest
"We are the Borg of Debt - Lower your interest rates and surrender your assets. We will add your sovereign debt and derivative distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt austerity to service us. Resistance is futile."

You left out khan!!! Khaaaaaaaaannnnn!!!

Anonymous scoobius dubious September 10, 2012 6:59 PM  

I was never a Star Trek fan (didn't dislike it either, just didn't care) but in terms of analyzing Spock's attractiveness:

-- if I remember right, he was taller than Kirk (is that correct?)
-- he had those narrow, squinty eyes that made him seem like a predator toying with its prey
-- I seem to recall Kirk being a tad flabby and having a bit of a gut. Spock OTOH cut a fairly trim figure. That uniform didn't really flatter Kirk.
-- he was an alien, which gave him an exotic Rudolph Valentino/Sheik of Araby kind of allure
-- most importantly, Spock had a genuine aura of detached authority that made it seem like he was the one really in charge. Kirk seemed to be always blustering about and barking orders like Yosemite Sam, trying to make sure everyone knew he was in charge. He had nothing of the "put up your bright swords, the dew will rust them" calm. Or not that I saw in the maybe five episodes I remember. Kirk also seemed, IIRC, sort of like a junior student to Spock's sensei.
-- "Kirk" is one of those names like Brad or Chad that sounds like the smug frat-boy football star who gets outfoxed in the end by the scruffy underdogs. "Spock" is mysterious and odd.

Also, this is just speculation, but my guess is that a red-blooded American gal would take a look at both of them and think, "Kirk, he's easy, I already know exactly what turns him on, and it's boring. Now, that Spock guy... who the hell knows what screws in his lightbulb? More interesting to find out..."

Good grief, I just wrote like 100 words about Star Trek. I must be really bored, or really trying to avoid working.


Anonymous zen0 September 10, 2012 7:22 PM  

Spock didn't dig chicks. Every once and a while he was forced by his nature to travel to planet Zork or whatever, to rut with a chosen female.

He had no need to indulge female hysterics.

That would be attractive to some females as he could supply external discipline for them.

When they did their female shenanigans, he would regard them as if they were spastic insects, which is entirely appropriate.

Anonymous Idle Comic Book Spectator September 10, 2012 7:47 PM  

Vox we have a position open in our local Intergalactic Senate. Like the Borg, you will be assimilated and resistance is futile. The member that records our meeting minutes has not been attending lately due to his increasing World of Warcraft addiction. Meetings usually end early because Steve needs a ride home with his mother and she prefers not to stay out late. He never did finish his last tabletop RPG game. We got no lithum crystals to finish, cap'n.

You should bring Spacebunny too. We really need someone else when we play Klingon Boggle. She should brush up though before playing. Here are some sound files of Klingon to get you started from the Klingon Language Institute.

Klingon Boggle and virgin margaritas is definitely my version of Heaven, you know what I mean Vox?

See you there! Live long and prosper.

Blogger Markku September 10, 2012 8:24 PM  

Speaking of psychopaths giving gina tingles, Game in pop music is getting more obvious every day

Anonymous . September 10, 2012 8:39 PM  

Scoobius forgot the most important reason for Spock's attractiveness, which was that Vulcans have twin prongs and thus can perform a one-man double team on human females.

Anonymous nordicthunder September 10, 2012 9:09 PM  

"When they did their female shenanigans, he would regard them as if they were spastic insects, which is entirely appropriate." good stuff zenO,

I'm thieving "spastic insects" for my ffl team name, where do i send the check?

Anonymous Equestrian025 September 10, 2012 9:27 PM  

“Please, sit and entertain me.” –Kahn, in what may be the most alpha thing ever said.

Worf? Please. Worf is pretty much on Dax’s leash for half of DS9. Although, Dax is an alpha/sigma male in the body of a really hot chick, so that makes sense.

Anonymous scoobius dubious September 10, 2012 9:32 PM  

The Star Trek episode I remember most clearly (aside from the one about the Mexicans, I mean Tribbles) was the one where, for some reason I can't fathom*, Kirk was forced to fight against a bunch of galactic evil super-criminals. One of the bad guys was described as the Adolf Hitler of some other planet, that's how evil he was. I seem to remember this evil mastermind's brilliant plan to win the fight, was to hit Kirk on the head with a great big rock. Such was the depth of his evil genius! I remember thinking THIS is the most evil he could come up with? Throwing a giant rock?

* -- I get the faint impression that pretty much about every third episode of original Star Trek involved Kirk getting thrown into some sort of galactic arena, to fight some kind of space-gladiator. Apparently highly advanced alien civilizations have pretty crude tastes when it comes to their own personal entertainment. Also, very poor manners when it comes to how to treat their interplanetary guests. You'd think Kirk would have wised up after a while, and brought a javelin and stabbing sword with him every time he beamed down to a new planet, just in case.

I can imagine the Enterprise finally returning to Earth with their report: "Space is actually pretty boring, there's not much really interesting out there, just a LOT of aliens with a fetish for gladiatorial combat. On the next voyage, I suggest we send Steve Reeves instead..."

I think the crew of the Lost in Space ship would probably file a similar report.

Anonymous Stickwick September 10, 2012 9:52 PM  

Spock is compelling, no doubt about it, but I always found Kirk to be more attractive. As someone already pointed out, he has swagger and an irrational self-confidence, both of which are very attractive in a man.

I thought chicks dug guys with accents...

Scotty is the least attractive of all the male characters on ST, and that's including Sulu. He's prone to unseemly displays of emotion and he pedestalizes women way too much. Just watch "Who Mourns for Adonais." to see him make every classic mistake a man can make when trying to woo a woman.

Anonymous Stickwick September 10, 2012 9:59 PM  

“Please, sit and entertain me.” –Kahn, in what may be the most alpha thing ever said.

"Space Seed" is one of the all-time best classic Trek episodes. Kahn is a true Alpha, and it's electrifying to watch him go head-to-head with Kirk. There is also a lot of truth in Madlyn Rhue's portrayal of a woman who is honest about her obsession with history's Alphas, and her inability to resist the pure animal magnetism of one of Earth's greatest Alphas come to life.

Anonymous The other skeptic September 11, 2012 12:13 AM  

More freedom in Russia than the US

It is an interesting coincidence that a certain ethnic group no longer seems to be in control in Russia.

Anonymous The other skeptic September 11, 2012 12:32 AM  

OK, I think I understand. The fourth estate is in the pay of the government.

Anonymous Steve Canyon September 11, 2012 1:11 AM  

What makes Roddenberry a Gamma? Word out says he had multiple affairs with multiple different women. Not saying he is or isn't, just wondering what makes him one?

Blogger Morrison September 11, 2012 7:23 AM  

Roddenberry was a Gamma because he was a coward.

It was only toward the end that he admitted that one of his goals in promoting the Star Trek Delusion was to promote anti religious, specifically atheistic, thought.

Anonymous Sexual Chocolate Imperion September 11, 2012 8:08 AM  

Screw Spock, and even Kirk. Let's talk about the women. That is the hottest women in the ST universe.

The answer is:

Rigelians

There is just something about green skin. Of course, in second place, comes the ...

[drum roll]

Andorians

Blue is second favorite color, next to green. Then of course, comes the bonus (when genetically possible):

Rigeldorian

If one is forced to choose one color, and one color only, then that would be blue-green. (or call it aqua, dark cyan type of thingy)

We get a nymphomaniac with a superiority complex. That will guarantee one, (for the most part) that she will always be on top. It is just the probability of those antennae. Might take some getting used to...

Anonymous Mrs. Pilgrim September 11, 2012 8:52 AM  

SCI, I think you're thinking of the Orions, not the Rigelians. And the Orion women are actually very aggressive and matriarchal. Even their seductive qualities are half driven by the pheromones they excrete to exert control over males...

...What? I did some research when I was writing a fanfiction that showed how the Federation's socialist economy would actually result in a galaxy-wide totalitarian ghetto, not a shiny slick sexy paradise. (Never finished it because a virus nuked my computer before I could make a copy. Maybe I will take another stab at it, though, just for ducks.)

Anonymous Mrs. Pilgrim September 11, 2012 9:19 AM  

Two words: Sherlock Holmes.

I would think most women would want Data - who, of course, has no need for them.

Actually, Data's too naive. He's often the butt of the jokes and always passed over for promotions, completely in the dark 98% of the time when it comes to humor or figures of speech, owns a cat that won't stay off his desk no matter how often he scolds her, and is cheerfully eager to ditch the lack of emotion and become just an ordinary joe. The only sex he ever got in the show that is confirmed was with the female head of security, and she was "drunk" at the time, got him "drunk", and propositioned him aggressively. His actual girlfriend ditched him for an ex.

In fact, he's so generally unassertive that it startles people when he starts barking orders. (Granted, they listen when he does, but that's more of a "there must not be time to explain" than a "Alpha male must OBEY!")

Data's charm arises from his childlike "spirit", but it's distinctly not alpha. But he does look dapper in that goofy uniform.

Anonymous Stickwick September 11, 2012 10:37 AM  

Mrs. Pilgrim, I agree with everything you've said above. Irrespective, Data inspired a ton of fanmail from females. Brent Spiner claimed that most of the letters from women were written as though to "Data," not him. He said his female fans liked that he had no apparent emotions, but they would still interpret small gestures -- an eyebrow raise, an unusual glance -- as an indication that under that cold exterior he really did have emotions.

Anonymous Jim September 11, 2012 11:27 AM  

I think a lot of women like the new Scotty played by Karl Urban.

Guys are considered dreamy if they are largely unattainable and stoic. Spock fits the bill, but only in a movie. The woman has to see the guy enough to be familiar with him and then desire him. For a real life Spock, he wouldn't know what he would do around women; however, he won't tip his hand and show ackwardness. Perhaps that is the key.

Anonymous carnaby September 11, 2012 11:38 AM  

Don't forget the one lady in star trek who derailed Spock, Droxine from the city in the clouds.

Anonymous Mrs. Pilgrim September 11, 2012 11:50 AM  

Stickwick, I agree--it could be attractive--but at the same time, it's definitely not the same appeal as the Holmes/Spock/etc. set have.

I think a lot of women like the new Scotty played by Karl Urban.

Karl Urban plays McCoy (and he does a damn fine DeForest Kelley impression). Simon Pegg owns the role of Scotty on a whole new level.

Anonymous Stickwick September 11, 2012 12:38 PM  

Don't forget the one lady in star trek who derailed Spock, Droxine from the city in the clouds.

"Extreme feminine beauty is always disturbing." Blech. That was so out of character for Spock, I don't count it. Besides, that Trog chick wrasslin' with Kirk looked like more fun than Droxine having that Ambien-infused conversation with Spock.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation (Ben) September 11, 2012 12:48 PM  

People have told me that I have a poker face and don't show much emotion. That would be a good thing though, right?

I also am sensitive to the shit that women spew at me sometimes getting annoyed at mindless female blather and drama. The answer, logically, would be to not give a shit and ignore it, right?

Who knew that you could learn game from vulcans, though I think Khan is the biggest Alpha ever.

Anonymous Stickwick September 11, 2012 1:15 PM  

Karl Urban plays McCoy (and he does a damn fine DeForest Kelley impression). Simon Pegg owns the role of Scotty on a whole new level.

McCoy always had a cantankerous sort of appeal --remember in "Friday's Child" when he slapped that pregnant woman? -- and Urban does a good job capturing that. However, I'm always somewhat aware that it's Eomer playing the new McCoy, so that's probably part of the appeal.

Anonymous Yep. September 11, 2012 2:06 PM  

Janeway killed Star Trek.

Anonymous carnaby September 11, 2012 2:48 PM  

I didn't care for the new Trek movie. Blech is right.

Blogger Beefy Levinson September 11, 2012 4:38 PM  

There was an episode of TNG where Data actually had a girlfriend, another member of the Enterprise's crew. At the end of the episode she comes to break up with him. Data says something like, "Am I to take it that our relationship is over?" She's crying and biters her lower lip and nods that yes, it's over. Data goes, "I see. I will delete the appropriate programs from my memory. Good night."

I remember thinking that Data was the manliest alpha in the galaxy.

Anonymous Mrs. Pilgrim September 11, 2012 5:02 PM  

At the end of the episode she comes to break up with him.

If I recall correctly, she was leaving him for an ex because she needed the emotional engagement.

But I may be mistaken. I will have to watch this episode--probably tomorrow, as I have no time left today and Mr. P. has already agreed to help me through a thus-far dismal adaptation of The Count of Monte Cristo--and see how it plays out again.

Anonymous Sexual Chocolate Imperion September 11, 2012 5:59 PM  

Screw Spock, and even Kirk. Let's talk about the women. That is the hottest women in the ST universe.

The answer is:

Rigelians

There is just something about green skin. Of course, in second place, comes the ...

[drum roll]

Andorians

Blue is second favorite color, next to green. Then of course, comes the bonus (when genetically possible):

Rigeldorian

If one is forced to choose one color, and one color only, then that would be blue-green. (or call it aqua, dark cyan type of thingy)

We get a nymphomaniac with a superiority complex. That will guarantee one, (for the most part) that she will always be on top. It is just the probability of those antennae. Might take some getting used to...

Anonymous Stickwick September 11, 2012 6:13 PM  

Janeway killed Star Trek.

It was pretty obvious when the producers went out of their way to have a female captain that Voyager was going to stink, but they officially destroyed Trek with the TNG movies. Mr. Plinkett does his usual bang-up job dissecting what's wrong with them.

I didn't care for the new Trek movie.

Neither did I. It didn't have any of the qualities that made classic Trek great. Think I'll watch the first movie or Wrath of Khan tonight.

"He tasks me! He tasks me, and I shall have him!"

Anonymous Yep. September 11, 2012 6:47 PM  

Stickwick I didn't ask for your opinion.

Anonymous Mrs. Pilgrim September 11, 2012 6:52 PM  

Wrath of Khan. If I weren't stuck with the other film...

The only quibble I have with that one is that Kirstie Alley couldn't play a Vulcan to save her life.

But I did like the new Trek movie. I guess it's a matter of taste.

Anonymous scoobius dubious September 11, 2012 8:11 PM  

FYI "He tasks me!" comes from Ahab in Moby-Dick.

Anonymous Stickwick September 11, 2012 8:29 PM  

Stickwick I didn't ask for your opinion.

And I give a sh*t, because ... ?

Anonymous Mrs. Pilgrim September 11, 2012 11:43 PM  

FYI "He tasks me!" comes from Ahab in Moby-Dick.

Which is deliberate, because he hadn't had much more to read than that during his exile on Ceti Alpha V. For a smart fellow, he surely didn't learn.

Anonymous Stickwick September 12, 2012 12:04 AM  

You ever notice how the writers for Trek movies are really into Moby Dick? They borrowed from it for First Contact, as well.

Anonymous scoobius dubious September 12, 2012 4:24 AM  

Pfft, you want Alpha? Kahn cahn kihss me ahrse.

HERE's a taste of some real Alpha for'ee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxKTzwaEa2o&feature=rellist&playnext=1&list=PL990DA71A0B5179E7

Not that I advise it's good for your 'ealth, mind'ee. But like a man said, There you are. Risk, reward, etc.

Anonymous I Am Irony, Man September 12, 2012 3:29 PM  

Yep.: "Stickwick I didn't ask for your opinion."

Funny, because nobody asked for yours, either.

Anonymous Yep. September 12, 2012 8:38 PM  

Stickwick: And I give a sh*t, because ... ?

Janeway killed Star Trek. So suck it.



Blogger Anacaona September 13, 2012 4:38 AM  

If I recall correctly, she was leaving him for an ex because she needed the emotional engagement.

It was the other way around she was Data's friend and she left her ex because he didn't showed he cared for her Data was very close to her at the moment and she though that he showed he cared for her and he did just on his own Data sexy logical adorable way, that the idiot couldn't understand which is Data's, Spock's, Dr Manhattan's... problem they do care is just the women they pick don't understand or try to understand how do they work and care for them, they want them to care in a female way but they care on a different way. The idiot left her probably to be alone and think about why she was attracted to unemotional men.
There was also this female scientist that fell for him, at the beginning of the show and Data figured out it was more a fetish than love told her and she kind backed out (gave up too fast IMO), and I do think Tasha always had a soft spot for him and him for her, but she was playing "masculine girl" so admitting those feelings was out of the question.
Troy also made a move on him when he mentioned that he didn't discarded the possibility of marrying because he though he had a lot of offer to a potential mate and she kissed him on the cheek. I did liked Troy that would had been an interesting couple to explore but they went for Worf and her and just to hold it till they had Riker and her end up married, although not sure what she saw on him I never liked Riker not even after growing the beard of awesomeness.

Can you tell I'm a Data girl? ;)

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