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Monday, September 03, 2012

WND column

Romney's Fair Warning

These days, political conventions are no longer where the two major parties select their presidential candidates. The selection process purports to be a democratic one, in which the grass roots have the opportunity to choose a candidate through the complicated series of state primaries and caucuses, although the reality is that the grass roots is usually choosing between one and three candidates preapproved by the party establishment.

While in 2008, Barack Obama did manage to upset Hillary Clinton, not even the complete lack of enthusiasm for Mitt Romney on the part of the Republican grass roots was enough to permit any of his nominal competitors for the nomination to effectively compete with him in 2012.

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41 Comments:

Anonymous Freddy September 03, 2012 3:54 AM  

Good morning Vox.

Anonymous Freddy September 03, 2012 4:02 AM  

what will this creep do with the Patriot Act at his disposal? Frightening

Anonymous YIH September 03, 2012 4:54 AM  

In the previous thread 'Farmer Tom' posted a link to Doug Wead's blog that is most definitely 'on topic' here.
I don't know if you read that before writing the WND column or not but it buttresses what you wrote. Both are also quite disconcerting about Romney's personality in even though his most serious challenge was Santorum (and even that was hardly insurmountable) he felt it necessary to rig the RNC to make him appear the unanimous choice.
What I find really worrying is the possibility of a repeat of 2000, with a 'photo finish' election and both campaigns openly and blatantly trying to 'game' the final result.
That's where things could get really ugly making 2000 seem like the dark comedy it often was.

Anonymous Barko Ramius September 03, 2012 5:11 AM  

Mitts is tossing in the mittens. Why else would he make a silly comment about birth certificates after taking a lead in the polls? Who was he trying to appease? The already encamped base? The undecideds who care nothing of the "birther" talk? Why the bizzare Eastwood skit? Are they really that dumb or is there something more nefarious going on? Hard to tell with these folks. But considering the current economic downward trend, who would want to take the helm of this ship. Better to watch from ashore the scuttling.

Anonymous The Great Martini September 03, 2012 5:49 AM  

This is going to be one of the few elections that I think are going to turn on the debates, both pres and VP, perhaps particularly VP. What do you think?

Anonymous Roundtine September 03, 2012 7:14 AM  

I don't think the debates matter because Romney already seems competent enough. People will say they are voting for Obama right up until they get into the booth and pull the lever for Romney.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza September 03, 2012 7:36 AM  

Nov. 2008 is scary but we are living in highly interesting times. Let's see how things play out.

Anonymous Michael September 03, 2012 8:08 AM  

Great commentary, Vox. I'm glad that you chose to address the matter.

Assuming that the same puppet strings are attached to both candidates (pretty obvious these days) it seems that the puppet masters are more concerned with eliminating the Ron Paul faction from the electoral process than any preference towards either of the mainstream candidates.

Mitt still doesn't seem to understand that the RNC encouraged him to scuttle his own campaign for the purpose of chasing the liberty movement out of the GOP.

In fact,...the RNC will shut down the entire party rather than allow the liberty movement to control it,..which, in fact, they very well may have done.

Anonymous Rosalys September 03, 2012 8:08 AM  

Has anyone given any thought to what is going to happen if Obama loses with enough of a margin to preclude any shenanigans? Do you think there will be a peaceful transfer of power? Do you think it possible that Obama's Marxist minions will be unleashed and there will be rioting and lawlessness which will make a declaration of martial law "necessary"?

Blogger Rantor September 03, 2012 8:20 AM  

I think that Mitt suffers from the typical mormon persecution complex. Having grown up in the church, I can attest that they constantly teach you how you will be persecuted for your beliefs and must be strong in the faith. They really lay it on thick, it is always us versus them. The worst thems are the false Christian churches (from the LDS perspective).

Anyway when you consider that his Grandparents had to move to Mexico to escape persecution (they were polygamists) and therefore his father was raised by persecuted, polygamist, Mormon parents... you see the clear foundation for a persecution complex. That leads to paranoia and you easily see the control freak developing. Not a healthy situation for the President of the US.

Of course maybe Romney isn't a persecuted, paranoid, thin-skinned, control freak. I mean, I've never met the man.

Anonymous Michael September 03, 2012 8:21 AM  

The PTB's wouldn't allow it.

The real power brokers in America needs it to stay the course.

They have plans for more wars in the Middle East and domestic civil disruptions cause too many complications in their agenda.

Blogger James Dixon September 03, 2012 8:21 AM  

> Are they really that dumb or is there something more nefarious going on? Hard to tell with these folks.

When you fail to understand something other people obviously do, it might be time to reconsider your preconceptions as tho who is and who is not dumb.

> Do you think there will be a peaceful transfer of power?

Yes. Obama has nothing to gain by violence.

Now, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a minority dominated metropolitan area when the votes are counted, but that won't be Obama's doing.

Anonymous Just Mark September 03, 2012 8:21 AM  

At Rosalys.

Yes, I believe the transition will be smooth. The puppet masters wouldn't have it any other way.

Blogger Rantor September 03, 2012 8:24 AM  

Rosalys,

If Roomney is a paranoid, thin-skinned, control freak, he is already calculating how to prevent Obama from stealing the election. Hell, if it looked really bad, he might call for the million man Tea Party rally (through surrogates no doubt) to right the wrongs of the Chicago Thug.

Blogger Rantor September 03, 2012 8:25 AM  

@ Just Mark, re Rosalys

great answer and even more diabolical

Blogger Rantor September 03, 2012 8:29 AM  

@ James Dixon, "that won't be Obama's doing." wink-wink, nudge-nudge, Say No More!

Everyone knows that Obama wants to go and rule the Caliphate. Everything from Morrocco to Syra and Down to the Emirates will be his. His most successful effort to bring about the Arab Spring and democratize the Islamic states so they could elect him their leader.

Anonymous Stilicho September 03, 2012 9:05 AM  

In fact,...the RNC will shut down the entire party rather than allow the liberty movement to control it,..which, in fact, they very well may have done.

By denying a dedicated minority like the libertarian faction of the GOP a voice in the process and in the party platform, the GOP establishment will only make that faction stronger and more unified (which is difficult with a bunch of individualists)while permanently separating it from the Republican party. Now, the GOP elites are aware that their moves will cause the libertarians to leave, but they consider this to be a good thing because they consider the libertarian issues of debt, the FED/sound money, liberty, and non-interventionist foreign policy to be fringe issues that distract voters from their preferred issue which is the usual red vs blue. Why, those libertarians are so far out of touch that they have even invoked the Constitution as a basis for government which, as we all know, is absurd in this modern, post-constitutional age.

I suspect that the GOP will reap what it has sown. They won't like it though.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler September 03, 2012 9:08 AM  

This has got to be one of the greatest digs against a Republican/RINO:

"Mitt Romney is more plastic and less principled than Barbie’s trusty companion (Ken),..."

That was great! You're exactly right "princple-less". Romney is a RINO.

What happened the Republican convention is disturbing that many have not picked up on.

I'm not voting anyway. I don't care. Both are bad. The only important thing is that a majority of Americans voted for BHO. That so many people in this country and the Democratic party would promote this worthless POS is a bellweather, the canary in the coal mine. It is not that that the government is bad--the populace has gone bad. It is no longer "America". This is not the country I grew up in.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic September 03, 2012 9:41 AM  

>If Roomney is a paranoid, thin-skinned, control freak, he is already calculating how to prevent Obama from stealing the election.

Rest assured both parties already have teams of lawyers on tap to parse the votes of a few thousand old people in Ohio, Michigan and Florida.

OT, but no thoughtful person would want to be president of this country in 2012.

Anonymous Rantor September 03, 2012 9:50 AM  

I'll be attending the Liberty Political Action Conference in Virginia this month. Both Pauls are slated to speak, and there are many Republicans scheduled, we'll see how they deal with the whole Romney saga. Should be interesting.

Originally I felt my dislike for Romney was a knee-jerk anti-Mormon reaction and reasoned (despite all of Vox' exhortations) that he was at least better than Obama. The Convention shenanigans have proven my original instincts correct. He is an evil man without any true anchor.

Unlike Obama, Romney is not just a puppet but a junior partner of the corrupt banker's community. He knows how the system is designed to take wealth from an unwitting publi'c pocket.


Anonymous Rantor September 03, 2012 9:57 AM  

@ The Anti-Gnostic,

Actually, no thoughtful person would want to run for the Presidency in 2012... nevertheless, if I could just be President and force the system into a Icelandic style bankruptcy, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I truly believe that is the fastest way to pull us out of a depression and reset the stage. Of course I wouldn't get reelected but that isn't the point. Sure, lots of wealth would be destroyed and the whole derivatives system would fall and I'd have to build thick and tall Steel-reinforced concrete walls around the White House. But wihtin a few years after the collapse, America would be back on track.

Most would call it bankruptcy, I prefer to call it Jubilee. I think God foresaw the problem with unlimited mounting debt and thus gave the Jubilee year to the Israelites to prevent the exact problem we are in today.

Anonymous Anonymous September 03, 2012 10:04 AM  

Repub convention so like black white TV. They want to out u back in chains. No just harmless words for fiftg percent unemployed black youtb who are already doing I m going to knock u out o is silent. Whites eaual record gun sales.

Blogger Joe A. September 03, 2012 10:12 AM  

Even if Romney was less enamored with big government in its myriad form than Obama, I think he would still pan out to be worse for the country. People will heavily and directly blame capitalism and beg for an even more socialistic prez after Romney's run through office, should he acquire the spot instead.

Anonymous AXCrom September 03, 2012 10:26 AM  

I don't believe that there will be any organized rioting either, the men behind the curtains won't sanction any major unrest, not now with most of the American people fully anesthetized with America's Got Talent and the NFL. The last thing they would want is for Joe Six-Pack and Career-Grrl Cathy to actually feel frightened and like they need to do something.

Anonymous Knarf September 03, 2012 10:35 AM  

@Rosalys

> Has anyone given any thought to what is going to happen if

Yes. If Obama has his reelection stolen from him by The Man, the oppressed underclass of color will erupt in a convulsion of righteous anger and there will "Rodney King"-grade riots, looting, and burning in every major city in the country.

However, if Obama wins reelection, the people will erupt in a spontaneous joyous celebration, and there will be "Detroit Pistons win the NBA Championship"-grade riots, looting, and burning in every major city in the country.

Either way, I wouldn't want to own a liquor store in an inner city neighborhood, or even live within a half-mile of one.

Blogger Bob September 03, 2012 10:49 AM  

Half-mile?

Hell, I live about thrity miles from South Dallas, and that's too damned close.

Blogger IM2L844 September 03, 2012 11:34 AM  

That people still insist on putting their faith in a two party system, despite the well documented mountain of clear cut evidence that it is fundamentally nothing more than an illusion, is astounding and somewhat perplexing to me. How can people possibly lack the ability for critical thinking to that degree and still not only function, but thrive in today's society? It's a phenomenon for which basic human nature is an insufficient explanation. The high probability that it is the result of deliberate social engineering and conditioning has to be taken into serious consideration and the likelihood that as a society we're doomed can be the only possible attentive person's conclusion.

Blogger IM2L844 September 03, 2012 11:37 AM  

"puting" ~ there must be a way to bring back the edit function.

Anonymous kh123 September 03, 2012 11:50 AM  

"How can people possibly lack the ability for critical thinking to that degree and still not only function, but thrive in today's society?"

Look at the debt numbers and with what people put up with as far as taxation. So long as they can still eat, move, and have entertainment, they won't think about unpleasant realities for the most part.

And that's what it comes down to: Folks put their faith in "we'll eventually fix it" (meaning, someone else they vote for will fix it), because they don't want to consider the alternative that the founding fathers had to resort to when dealing with "taxation without representation". They feel they've got too much to lose at present; they don't feel that they have to fight for their very survival against an unresponsive tyranny. Not "think", mind you, but "feel".

Anonymous FUBAR Nation (Ben) September 03, 2012 12:28 PM  

I'm glad this is over because I now know that the political system is a sham and that there's no point in working within the system.

The only type of politics that I can see that is worthwhile to get into is probably local and personal. Let the local thieves fear reprisal since they live so close and you can look them in the face.

Other than that, shun the politicians. Refuse to serve them, praise them, or treat them well. Treat them like the scum they are.

Blogger IM2L844 September 03, 2012 1:03 PM  

they don't feel that they have to fight for their very survival against an unresponsive tyranny. Not "think", mind you, but "feel".

A natural tendency toward normalcy bias is undoubtedly responsible for a certain amount of this, but I still don't think it sufficiently accounts for the observable over the top enthusiasm for the categorically specific willful ignorance demonstrated by the weak minded herd. I would contend that they have been and continue to be brainwashed and must, at least on some level, know it.

Blogger James Dixon September 03, 2012 1:14 PM  

> The high probability that it is the result of deliberate social engineering and conditioning has to be taken into serious consideration and the likelihood that as a society we're doomed can be the only possible attentive person's conclusion.

It's always been that way. Remember the words of Samuel Adams:

"If ye love wealth better than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom,
go home from us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or your arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you,
and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

That's the way people are, and pretty much always have been.

Anonymous JI September 03, 2012 1:15 PM  

Are the caucus and primary vote counts falsified? I keep coming back to the conclusion that that is how the system must be rigged.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 03, 2012 2:16 PM  

Stilicho:
By denying a dedicated minority like the libertarian faction of the GOP a voice in the process and in the party platform, the GOP establishment will only make that faction stronger and more unified (which is difficult with a bunch of individualists)while permanently separating it from the Republican party. Now, the GOP elites are aware that their moves will cause the libertarians to leave, but they consider this to be a good thing because they consider the libertarian issues of debt, the FED/sound money, liberty, and non-interventionist foreign policy to be fringe issues that distract voters from their preferred issue which is the usual red vs blue. Why, those libertarians are so far out of touch that they have even invoked the Constitution as a basis for government which, as we all know, is absurd in this modern, post-constitutional age.

I suspect that the GOP will reap what it has sown. They won't like it though.


With the obvious caveat that it's probably way past the point where anything peaceful can be done, it's worth noting that it is theoretically more important who is elected to congress than the beauty contest for teleprompter reader - where we're thoroughly screwed either way. For example, in Tennessee there is a RP type candidate running as a Democrat for the senate seat presently held by the worthless Repuke Corker, accurately described (by Malkin of all people) as Eric Holder's enabler. Better yet, what about congressional candidates offered by the Constitution party? As someone remarked recently, if we'd had a congress full of Ron Pauls we would not be in this pickle. For what it's worth that statement is undeniably true.Instead of RPs, we have a congress filled with John Boehners, Eric Cantors and Maxine Waters.

As I said at the start, it's probably far too late. This type of strategy may have actually worked 20-30 years ago.

JI:
Are the caucus and primary vote counts falsified? I keep coming back to the conclusion that that is how the system must be rigged.

TPTB really didn't have to resort to this so much (though they'll use those methods whenever necessary). Their strategy was a classic case of employing bogus "opposition" candidates to split the grass roots. Santorum, Gingrich, Herman "Night Train" Cain with its "cow-catcher of troof", Crazy-eyes Bachmann, Perry, Huntsman, Roemer, Johnson - all bank-party candidates with the possible exceptions of Crazy-eyes and Johnson (though there are serious questions about both). Thus, the reconstucted Marxist Capt. Underoos captures the nomination with ease - boosted by open primaries (nobody opposing D'Won on the D-jersey squad), plus the usual shenanigans at the state level and in various locales to keep the riff-raff out of the country club.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation (Ben) September 03, 2012 4:29 PM  

Well said, Gen. Kong. We are truly under siege.

Anonymous dh September 03, 2012 5:16 PM  

> Why else would he make a silly comment about birth certificates after taking a lead in the polls?

Make no mistake about it - Gov. Romney is a huge underdog. There are very few paths to victory for him. Having a point or two or four or five lead in Rassmussen and/or Gallup polling on any given day does not mean he's winning, or going to win. It means what it means.

Electoral math on this subject is pretty clear - Gov. Romney has big problems to win the Presidency, and spending on both sides no matter how furious hasn't so far moved the needle very much. His best hope is an Obama implosion at the debates.

His main problem is demographic. Gov. Romney, including some polls inclusive of both his VP selection and the convention, is on track to win only 230 EV votes.

In the next two month's Gov. Romney would need a big change to move the needle. Right now it's 75/25 that Obama is going to win re-election.

The actual number of undecided voters is very low - perhaps 2-4% depending on which source you believe. That's a lot of fighting for a small slice of the electorate.

Blogger James Dixon September 03, 2012 7:01 PM  

> Gov. Romney, including some polls inclusive of both his VP selection and the convention, is on track to win only 230 EV votes.

While the conventional polling statistics agree, at least one projection does not: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/22/university-of-colorado-pr_n_1822933.html

And I suspect that, as with Jimmy Carter, the president's poll numbers are inflated. I think a lot of voters are going to change their minds when it comes time to pull the lever.

I honestly expect a Romney victory, and a more substantial one than anyone (except Vox) is predicting. But my opinion and $1 may get you a cup of coffee.

However, with the sole matter of Obamacare, it hardly matters who wins. Neither candidate is going to do anything to fix the overspending or the plethora of unconstitutional actions by our federal government.

Anonymous dh September 03, 2012 8:28 PM  

> And I suspect that, as with Jimmy Carter, the president's poll numbers are inflated. I think a lot of
> voters are going to change their minds when it comes time to pull the lever.

Carter's numbers were not inflated. He was leading until the debates, and then the polls reflected and projected a loss.

> at least one projection does not
This is not a projection, it's a model. It so far has no predicted anything, it has been retroactively applied to the last 8 elections. This is much what the global warming alarmists do - they find a model which they can use to explain some past behavior, and use it to forecast future behavior.

Sam Wang of Princeton who does a very nice job explaining the problems with the model put forth by Colorado.

http://election.princeton.edu/2012/08/28/models-vs-measurements/

For my nickel, I have to agree that I don't see a 7% switch from current polling to election day happening. There's not enough time, and not enough undecided voters for that to happen. No matter how much money is around.

> I honestly expect a Romney victory, and a more substantial one than anyone (except Vox) is
> predicting. But my opinion and $1 may get you a cup of coffee.

We'll find out. The changes for a large Romney victory are very slight - there are very few paths that get him to a victory as large as Pres. Obama's in 2008. The best case scenario is squeaker like 2004. Romney is running behind in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida. Pennsylvania is looking like it's out of the question, which make Ohio and Florida must wins. Virgina and North Carolina are both heading Romney's way, but he needs to hold them at all costs to have a chance. North Carolina is at the tipping point and any momentum (even 1 point) from the convention will make this is a tossup for Romney. If he loses North Carolina or Virgina, that's the end of the game - he will have no path to victory.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation (Ben) September 03, 2012 9:02 PM  

The oligarchy might as well get rid of the two party charade and institute someone as presidente for life.

Anonymous Rantor September 04, 2012 5:23 AM  

as much as I can't stand Mitt, his "silly comment," made in his place of birth, was a joke. It was delivered in an effectively light-hearted way and the people, exceptin' the reporters laughed.

Some people are too sensitive.

Blogger James Dixon September 04, 2012 6:18 AM  

> This is not a projection, it's a model.

A model used to make a projection. Just as the polling agencies use models to make theirs.

> Sam Wang of Princeton ...

I never said it was correct, merely that it disagreed with the consensus.

> We'll find out.

Exactly.

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