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Tuesday, October 09, 2012

Democratic panic

Andrew Sullivan's desperation is palpable:
The Pew poll is devastating, just devastating. Before the debate, Obama had a 51 - 43 lead; now, Romney has a 49 - 45 lead. That's a simply unprecedented reversal for a candidate in October. Before Obama had leads on every policy issue and personal characteristic; now Romney leads in almost all of them. Obama's performance gave Romney a 12 point swing! I repeat: a 12 point swing.

Romney's favorables are above Obama's now. Yes, you read that right. Romney's favorables are higher than Obama's right now. That gender gap that was Obama's firewall? Over in one night....  Seriously: has that kind of swing ever happened this late in a campaign? Has any candidate lost 18 points among women voters in one night ever? And we are told that when Obama left the stage that night, he was feeling good. That's terrifying. On every single issue, Obama has instantly plummeted into near-oblivion.
So, the media has noticed that the narcissist-in-chief is running a lazy, disinterested re-election campaign and appears to be throwing the election.  Who could possibly have imagined that would ever happen?  Who could have seen such a dramatic reversal coming?  Anyhow, we'll know that Romney has the election in hand if he comes out strong on in the second debate and crucifies Obama on Libya and the murders of the American diplomats there.

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Blogger James Higham October 09, 2012 6:22 AM  

Does it matter, Vox? Both talking heads.

Anonymous ODG October 09, 2012 6:40 AM  

Yeah, he was feeling good because he knew he wouldn't have to be president much longer, and could go golf with Reggie, or whatever his name is.

Anonymous zen0 October 09, 2012 6:48 AM  

All hail Voxandra.

Anonymous VryeDenker October 09, 2012 7:00 AM  

Hey, women react to a strong and confident man. Romney was that man on the night.

Anonymous Roundtine October 09, 2012 7:04 AM  

There were hints of this earlier, Vox posted links previously of Democrats worried. Their problem is they drink their own Kool-Aid.

Anonymous DT October 09, 2012 7:10 AM  

I realize Romney won't make that much of a difference, but...

I can't express the joy I feel watching Obama get hammered. He is such an arrogant, ignorant, jacka...er...Democrat donkey.

I think I want Romney to win just to see the look on Barry's face. And to see all the liberals in the MSM openly cry on election night.

Anonymous DC Al Fine October 09, 2012 7:21 AM  

I think I want Romney to win just to see the look on Barry's face. And to see all the liberals in the MSM openly cry on election night.

Amen to that. To paraphrase Parker & Stone: I hate Republicans, but I really fucking hate Democrats.

Anonymous Salt October 09, 2012 7:27 AM  

Watching Obama is pure entertainment.

Blogger hadley October 09, 2012 7:38 AM  

Women are fickle.

Last election it was their old grandfather (McCain) running against some hot young black dude (Obama) who gives them the tingles.

This election it is a rich movie star (Romney) with a female that he services well (she dropped a litter of well fed, handsome, well-behaved kids) who is clearly the alpha male against a p*ssy-whipped, banker-whipped metrosexual.

Bottom line: at the last debate the Ladies saw "Mr. Big" and they are wringing wet.

Anonymous dh October 09, 2012 8:01 AM  

> Women are fickle.

They almost want to vote for the winner. That's the long and short of it.

Anonymous dh October 09, 2012 8:04 AM  

Sullivan is freaking out because that's what he does. He's a freak out king.

Romney's bounce is substantial and real, however, it has not altered the dynamics of the race at all. Gov. Romney still has the extremely narrow path to victory that he had before the debate, which means a hard path to through swing states that hasn't worked before.

The two real things that Romney did pick up were money and enthusiasm.

Anonymous horsewithnonick October 09, 2012 8:16 AM  

I suspect the wild swings late in the race are a clear indication that nobody wants either of these tools very much. Pity the Republican party didn't have anyone they could have nominated who was capable of generating a little more enthusiasm, like maybe filling auditoriums with excited supporters...

Blogger Doom October 09, 2012 8:30 AM  

Oh please, there was no such shift. Pollsters, realizing the propaganda facade they were trying to sell have realized, in their own self interest, that they best make the numbers more honest (still biased toward Zero, though, don't you worry). The shift was merely letting more of the real truth out, since lies weren't changing the trajectory as had been hoped. And there was no way they could cheat that much, especially with states clearing the dead/doubles and requiring drivers licenses and such. For their own business interests, they had to simply tell the truth. As much of it as they dare allow themselves... almost like Sullivan.

Anonymous 691 October 09, 2012 8:34 AM  

I can't express the joy I feel watching Obama get hammered. He is such an arrogant, ignorant, jacka...er...Democrat donkey.

I think I want Romney to win just to see the look on Barry's face. And to see all the liberals in the MSM openly cry on election night.


I've never hated Obama. His psychological flaws were transparent from the beginning and it's hard to hate an empty vessel because there is nothing of substance to get angry about. What made me livid was how those around him bought into Obama as a superhuman, Messianic figure. They fell hook, line and sinker for the narcissistic self-image he created for himself. Every thing that comes out of Valerie Jarrett's mouth is a bald rationalization about how his very real flaws are actually signs of his superiority.

"... I think that he has never really been challenged intellectually. ... So what I sensed in him was not just a restless spirit but somebody with such extraordinary talents that they had to be really taxed in order for him to be happy." Jarrett was quite sure that one of the few things that truly engaged him fully before going to the White House was writing Dreams from My Father. "He's been bored to death his whole life," she said.

The reason Obama never published any legal writing as a law professor is intellectual cowardice, not a lack of challenge. He was afraid of taking on an intellectual challenge and failing and therefore having to give up his self-image as a brilliant human being. People far smarter than Obama have found compelling intellectual challenges worthy of their intellects and succeeded. His actions are attempts at ego protection and avoiding facing his very real mediocrity. Retreating from risk is cowardly but understandable but Jarrett attempting to rationalize his cowardice as superiority is simply perverse.

Anonymous Baseball Savant October 09, 2012 8:41 AM  

horsewithnonick October 09, 2012 8:16 AM I suspect the wild swings late in the race are a clear indication that nobody wants either of these tools very much. Pity the Republican party didn't have anyone they could have nominated who was capable of generating a little more enthusiasm, like maybe filling auditoriums with excited supporters...

Wait a minute. I see what you did there!

Blogger James Dixon October 09, 2012 8:53 AM  

> The reason Obama never published any legal writing as a law professor is intellectual cowardice, not a lack of challenge.

I'd say more a lack of intellectual ability, myself. But what do I know? Actually, what do any of us know? Obama's history is a closed book, and the establishment will got any length's necessary to ensure it stays that way.

Anonymous VD October 09, 2012 8:58 AM  

He was afraid of taking on an intellectual challenge and failing and therefore having to give up his self-image as a brilliant human being. People far smarter than Obama have found compelling intellectual challenges worthy of their intellects and succeeded. His actions are attempts at ego protection and avoiding facing his very real mediocrity. Retreating from risk is cowardly but understandable but Jarrett attempting to rationalize his cowardice as superiority is simply perverse.

This is a cogent observation of the man. I very much concur. It is often very difficult for those who believe they are of superior intelligence to put their own self-respect on any objective line. It is easier for Obama to fail and claim he didn't try than to try and take the risk of getting his ass kicked. I suspect that is why the media is heaping such coals on him now; they're trying to motivate him by making it more painful for him to not try than to take that risk.

Anonymous dh October 09, 2012 8:59 AM  

> I'd say more a lack of intellectual ability, myself. But what do I know? Actually, what do any of us
> know? Obama's history is a closed book, and the establishment will got any length's necessary to
> ensure it stays that way.

It sure seems like he wasn't much of a professor. More like a student who never really leaves. Adjunct professor, not tenured or tenure track. It's not unusual for adjuncts to never publish - they aren't "real" professors.

Anonymous VD October 09, 2012 8:59 AM  

Wait a minute. I see what you did there!

He's alluding to Herman Cain, right? 9-9-9!

Anonymous 691 October 09, 2012 8:59 AM  

I'd say more a lack of intellectual ability, myself. But what do I know?

I think he clearly has the ability to be a mediocre law professor and churn out decent but unremarkable legal writing. But that's not good enough for a narcissist; better to make excuses and continue pretending to be a star than risk exposing yourself as a midwit

Anonymous dh October 09, 2012 9:00 AM  

> I suspect the wild swings late in the race are a clear indication that nobody wants either of these
> tools very much.

Ding ding ding.

Blogger Jamie-R October 09, 2012 9:03 AM  

Let's all hope America is not so self-destructive to re-elect him again. Bernanke won't last under Romney. The malaise will be eased under Republicans who will also tell the world the hit at home is due and do you have a problem with that while stoking the military. China wants its IOUs scumbaggedly obtained by currency manipulation.

I want to live out my 30s and 40s in a world that still has stability. Damn you cunts that want to run America into the ground to make a point. It can be wound back, slowly and painfully, and by not being suicidal like that 60s generation, you bastards.

Anonymous Suicidal**nt October 09, 2012 9:10 AM  

Tell us how you really feel, Jamie.

Anonymous DonReynolds October 09, 2012 9:19 AM  

The hazard of Obama as president, was the same as the hazard of Carter and Clinton. In and of themselves, not particularly bright or dangerous, but their alternate agenda drives them to bring people into their administration that would never otherwise be considered sane enough or rational enough to work in the government at any level. Obama, Carter and Clinton were wrongheaded at times but I would never consider them to be radical....but they had a perverse interest in bringing into their administrations those odd-balls and radicals that could never be part of governance in this country otherwise. Obama especially and in particular. That is why Carter was a one-term president, Clinton should have been, and hopefully Obama will be.

Blogger James Dixon October 09, 2012 9:22 AM  

> It can be wound back, slowly and painfully, and by not being suicidal like that 60s generation, you bastards.

Why slowly? Just repudiate the debt and then balance the budget. There's no need to be slow about it. It's what's going to happen eventually anyway.

Anonymous Emperor of Icecream October 09, 2012 9:23 AM  

America isn't in love with Romney, but its sure in love with seeing Obama get his ass kicked. Maybe there's a little life left in the ol' gal.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 October 09, 2012 9:23 AM  

Let's all hope America is not so self-destructive to re-elect him again. Bernanke won't last under Romney. The malaise will be eased under Republicans who will also tell the world the hit at home is due and do you have a problem with that while stoking the military. China wants its IOUs scumbaggedly obtained by currency manipulation.

Sorry, but Romney won't change much in terms of banking policy. He himself admitted during the Republican debates that TARP was the right thing to do, just that the Democrats "ruined" it.

In other words, he's just another corporatist.

Blogger James Dixon October 09, 2012 9:25 AM  

> He's alluding to Herman Cain, right? 9-9-9!

I thought he meant Michele Bachmann. :)

Blogger Markku October 09, 2012 9:32 AM  

Why slowly?

Because if it happens quickly, guess what China will do to Australia with impunity while USA is trying to get back on its feet.

Blogger JD Curtis October 09, 2012 9:35 AM  

And this is before the Foreign Campaign Donation Scandal goes Big Time against the current regime.

Anonymous JartStar October 09, 2012 9:39 AM  

No, no, you see... he is so confident of victory he knows that he doesn't even have to try at the debates and so he's not evening bothering.

Blogger Nate October 09, 2012 9:39 AM  

"I want to live out my 30s and 40s in a world that still has stability. Damn you cunts that want to run America into the ground to make a point. It can be wound back, slowly and painfully, and by not being suicidal like that 60s generation, you bastards."

Blithering moron!! America has already been run into the ground. It has already happened. The plane has crashed into the mountain.

You just can't accept that fact.

Blogger James Dixon October 09, 2012 9:41 AM  

> Because if it happens quickly, guess what China will do to Australia with impunity while USA is trying to get back on its feet.

Well then, maybe Jamie should reconsider telling us what to do. :)

Blogger James Dixon October 09, 2012 9:43 AM  

> ...he is so confident of victory he knows that he doesn't even have to try at the debates and so he's not evening bothering.

The worst thing is that this could be correct. This election shouldn't even be close. The fact that it is tells you all you need to know about the problems facing the US. Of course, the only poll which counts is the one on Nov. 6th. We'll see what it says.

Blogger Jamie-R October 09, 2012 9:46 AM  

Why slowly? Just repudiate the debt and then balance the budget.

Yeah good one tard. Start raising rates, cut government spending, watch the deflation. But it will be controlled destruction. You can always offer a bit of Bernanke Insanity, ONCE you embark on the right course, but you don't deny it. There's plenty fed government can do welfare cutting wise, and Obama won't do it. Also, you have foreign instability to worry about, unlike Putin who knows how to knock off a foreign government at the right time (Poland under Obama), Israel is not so sensitive, and god help us if Obama is President in 2014, cause Israel won't suffer American surrender to blacks and whoever else white people have to apologise to under the Democratic Party.

Blogger Good Will October 09, 2012 9:47 AM  

James Dixon October 09, 2012 9:22 AM
> It can be wound back, slowly and painfully, and by not being suicidal like that 60s generation, you bastards.

Why slowly? Just repudiate the debt and then balance the budget. There's no need to be slow about it. It's what's going to happen eventually anyway.


You do it quickly and the U.S. economy craters. Throwing 25% of the people out of work was devastating back in the day when tens of millions still lived on farms. But imagine 25-40% today (I'm just guessing) without income: no food stamps, no EBT cards, no unemployment, Social Security or Medicaid...and no appreciable skills or opportunities to produce anything.

Millions would starve. Cities would burn. And (if they were lucky) those who survived would find themselves working in factories as peasants under Chinese overlords.

But, as you say, it's going to happen anyway...unless the American people repent and return again unto Lord Jesus Christ, the One True God.

Anonymous JI October 09, 2012 9:49 AM  

Go ahead and pat yourself on the back, Vox. Seriously, it is definitely weird that Obama put so much energy into campaigning and speaking, but once he became president he hasn't cared at all about the office.

Blogger Nate October 09, 2012 9:53 AM  

"But, as you say, it's going to happen anyway...unless the American people repent and return again unto Lord Jesus Christ, the One True God."

What a strange thing for a Mormon to say..

Blogger Good Will October 09, 2012 10:09 AM  

Nate October 09, 2012 9:53 AM
"But, as you say, it's going to happen anyway...unless the American people repent and return again unto Lord Jesus Christ, the One True God."

What a strange thing for a Mormon to say..


Keep telling yourself that, Nate. (Some people can't recognize the truth even when it's as plain as the writing in BLOCK PRINT on the front of every LDS chapel or as clear as the declaration in the title page of the Book of Mormon.)

Anonymous The other skeptic October 09, 2012 10:12 AM  

And, in another reversal, some worry that importing lots of very different people might not have been a good idea

Blogger Nate October 09, 2012 10:19 AM  

" (Some people can't recognize the truth even when it's as plain as the writing in BLOCK PRINT on the front of every LDS chapel or as clear as the declaration in the title page of the Book of Mormon.)"

Absolutely. Because marketing is always perfectly honest.

This is profoundly OT... so I'll refrain. Fear not. We'll get our chance.

Anonymous Josh October 09, 2012 10:23 AM  

Seriously, it is definitely weird that Obama put so much energy into campaigning and speaking, but once he became president he hasn't cared at all about the office.

Why?

Obama just wanted to be president, not do anything while president.

And why did he want to be president? He's basically just a black Warren Harding.

Anonymous Daniel October 09, 2012 10:29 AM  

He didn't want to be president, he wanted to be inspirational tragic candidate. He didn't know his ride on the machine had a destination in mind for him.

Anonymous Edjamacator October 09, 2012 10:30 AM  

But, as you say, it's going to happen anyway...unless the American people repent and return again unto Lord Jesus Christ, the One True God.

Of this particular planet, right? Do you have yours picked out?

Blogger SarahsDaughter October 09, 2012 10:30 AM  

For women, it's all about the peanut butter and honey sammiches (and the family that gathers around to make and eat them).

Anonymous Josh October 09, 2012 10:33 AM  

It is often very difficult for those who believe they are of superior intelligence to put their own self-respect on any objective line. It is easier for Obama to fail and claim he didn't try than to try and take the risk of getting his ass kicked.

It's the same reason that kids don't study for tests, because if they do poorly without studying, they can fall back on, "if I had studied, I would have aced it". Whereas if they studied their ass off and still did poorly, they have to own up to reality.

Which strata of IQ would you say is most prone to this kind of behavior? My gut says it's the midwits because both they and their peers tend to over estimate their own intelligence.

Anonymous Noah B. October 09, 2012 10:43 AM  

It bears repeating that the same leftist media that has been slobbering all over Obama for the past four years are the ones who picked Romney as the front-runner back in 2009. Not coincidentally, the same bunch are responsible for shutting out Ron Paul's message to the greatest degree possible. Whatever interests are in control of the media decided long ago that Romney would be an acceptable replacement for Obama. They are simply providing an illusion of choice. Don't take the bait.

Anonymous Josh October 09, 2012 10:43 AM  

This election it is a rich movie star (Romney) with a female that he services well (she dropped a litter of well fed, handsome, well-behaved kids) who is clearly the alpha male against a p*ssy-whipped, banker-whipped metrosexual.Bottom line: at the last debate the Ladies saw "Mr. Big" and they are wringing wet.

Romney isn't an alpha. He's never come off like one. He's classic voxian beta.

And he's not a movie star.

Blogger Good Will October 09, 2012 10:44 AM  

Nate October 09, 2012 10:19 AM
" (Some people can't recognize the truth even when it's as plain as the writing in BLOCK PRINT on the front of every LDS chapel or as clear as the declaration in the title page of the Book of Mormon.)"


...This is profoundly OT... so I'll refrain. Fear not. We'll get our chance.

JC is NEVER OT.

Liberals (and liberalism) cannot succeed simply because they have severed themselves from the True Vine.

Anonymous Orion October 09, 2012 10:45 AM  

I particularly enjoyed the following line:
"If the lies and propaganda of the last four years work even after Obama had managed to fight back solidly against them to get a clear and solid lead in critical states, then reality-based government is over in this country again."

It took a supreme effort of will to not laugh out loud at that line.

Anonymous Roundtine October 09, 2012 10:47 AM  

I get the sense that Obama was pushed by those around him. I doubt the presidency was his idea originally. He was clearly an empty suit in 2008 and had done nothing before. He went on to allow his administration to run itself, or not, handing off Obamacare to Pelosi and Reed. About the only thing he did was make the decision on killing Osama and he talks about it like a 5-year old would say "I made a pizza" by putting it in the microwave and pressing 5 minutes.

Anonymous Josh October 09, 2012 10:50 AM  

Fucking mormons

Blogger Good Will October 09, 2012 10:52 AM  

Edjamacator October 09, 2012 10:30 AM
But, as you say, it's going to happen anyway...unless the American people repent and return again unto Lord Jesus Christ, the One True God.


Of this particular planet, right? Do you have yours picked out?

I suggest you spend some time here to discover the true nature of Romney's putative God.

Blogger Nate October 09, 2012 10:52 AM  

"JC is NEVER OT. "

The debate isn't about JC Will. Its about your insane anti-biblical heresy.

so yes.

its OT.

Anonymous Josh October 09, 2012 11:00 AM  

The debate isn't about JC Will. Its about your insane anti-biblical heresy.

Be careful, Nate, another Mormon might be close to smiting you...

What was it called, the FINAL ARBITER game?

Blogger Nate October 09, 2012 11:06 AM  

Wouldn't he have to have Brigham Young... or Joseph Smith smite me? Or no... They would be smiting someone on their own special planet... not me.

Blogger James Dixon October 09, 2012 11:11 AM  

> There's plenty fed government can do welfare cutting wise, and Obama won't do it.

It's not like Romney will.

> ...imagine 25-40% today...

What's to imagine? We're pretty much there right now.

Anonymous Edjamacator October 09, 2012 11:11 AM  

Wouldn't he have to have Brigham Young... or Joseph Smith smite me? Or no... They would be smiting someone on their own special planet... not me.

Well, still, we have to watch out for anyone wearing "Blessed BVD's" that protect them from all harm. They still believe that?

Blogger Nate October 09, 2012 11:15 AM  

"Well, still, we have to watch out for anyone wearing "Blessed BVD's" that protect them from all harm. They still believe that?"

and do the the holy briefs actually scald black people like holy water burns demons?

Anonymous scoobius dubious October 09, 2012 11:47 AM  

For some reason, against my better judgment (maybe to kill time and avoid working) I watched the whole Bammy vs. Mittens debate. While I can understand people thinking that Mittens came off better and somehow "won", I didn't really see Bammy getting whomped and stomped and mauled like people claim, unless you count all that looking down that he did. But I didn't think he did that because he was losing, I thought he did it because Bammy is kind of a weird guy.

Both guys competently laid out their vision of things, and both visions are mildly crazy (and demonstrably mistaken) in slightly different ways, but that isn't the point. The point is that they're both used-car salesmen instead of statesmen. Mittens did a slightly more persuasive job of selling his used car. Bammy's problem in my view was not that he was a lousy debater or getting crushed, it was just that the used car he's selling is a slightly worse lemon than the Romneymobile.

The big problem in American politics is that our political culture has evolved in such a way that it's become pretty much impossible for a professional to tell the truth in public. This is the sort of pathology that brings down mad ideological regimes like Communists or Nazis; if you can't tell the truth, how can you take reasonable action?

The reality is that at present we live in a country where roughly half of the people in America are not actually Americans in any meaningful way. The other day I was in a bank, one of the largest and most influential banks in the country. There was a sticker on the front door, announcing that the bank would be closed on Monday 10/8 in honor of Columbus Day, a federal holiday. Underneath the sticker was another sticker in Spanish (like ya do), which said the bank would be closed on 10/8 for "Dia de la Raza", whatever the fuck that is. Yes, I know perfectly well what it means, but I also know What It Means. A very large segment of our alleged "American people" does not celebrate the actual same holiday as the one designated by our government --- the government that gives all these people the bennies they can't obtain in greasy, shit-colored Mexico.

Think about that. Think of why the debate was a charade. We can't talk frankly in public about our real enemies abroad, and we also can't talk frankly in public about our real enemies within. Who cares who becomes president?

Anonymous TheExpat October 09, 2012 11:52 AM  

Okay, Good Will, put down the shovel and back away slowly, with your hands where we can see them.

Anonymous Edjamacator October 09, 2012 12:31 PM  

and do the the holy briefs actually scald black people like holy water burns demons?

Let me check the text. I have to put on my magic glasses, first, you understand.....um, looks like yes, any decent Mormon Holywear(TM) is guaranteed to resist even the toughest stains, which we know black people to be. But don't tell anyone. Bad press, ya know.

Anonymous Gerd October 09, 2012 12:45 PM  

Eventually, affirmative action employees show their true skills and worth. With the media enfolding him in their loving embrace, it has taken this long for Barry to be revealed in his full, glory of chooming excellence. May He move to Hawaii and end this experiment.
Hit the road Barack!

Anonymous Rock Throwing Peasant October 09, 2012 12:53 PM  

Doom: Oh please, there was no such shift. Pollsters, realizing the propaganda facade they were trying to sell have realized, in their own self interest, that they best make the numbers more honest

Yup, though I think there was a bounce. The pollsters were already getting called out for skewing by 3-4 points. So, when they corrected and included the debate "bounce," it made it look like Mitt made a huge leap, when it was actually moderate.

Blogger Good Will October 09, 2012 1:01 PM  

...imagine 25-40% today...

What's to imagine? We're pretty much there right now.


Except that our money -- still thought (by many) to be "legit" -- is still circulating. "Money" (even if "on paper") is still flowing into the system.

But under that scenario, there would be no more pretense of value in the U.S. dollar. (We're almost there now, as you say!)

Petroleum, for starters, will soon trade on the world market for stuff considered to be less "counterfeit" than U.S.'s "Monopoly" money. Foreign-produced goods (for U.S.) will become increasingly less affordable. The price of oil will necessarily inflate even more rapidly than it is now...unless the world becomes so impoverished by war and desolation that there is little demand for petroleum.

But if the world's cities are not destroyed, and buyers continue to compete for oil, because of our weakened dollar we will not be able to afford what fuel is available -- to run our farms and factories. Our highways will be largely empty of vehicles -- until domestic production matches demand at a price most of U.S. can afford. (That's why Third Worlders still ride bicycles in this modern age. They can't afford to do otherwise.)

To prevent producers that must purchase oil on the open market from making products that are too expensive for most to buy, we will nationalize our petroleum industry and (inefficiently) ration and allocate our resources (like all communist countries do) to funnel the proceeds into the coffers of those with whom those in power sympathize (the rest be damned).

Virtually everything will necessarily be socialized -- after the communist pattern -- in an effort to stave off starvation for the masses...but, more particularly, to benefit those in charge.

They are the super-rich, who have stored their wealth in gold, property and connections. They will always have enough and to spare from the black market...until social chaos renders even their stores desolate...which can only be avoided by ruling with an iron hand. Which they will do.

Consequently, much freedom (and many lives) will be lost.

Such is the destiny of all civilizations who will have others to be their gods, who both love and make lies.

[Thus endeth the vision of Good Will and the scroll thereof.]

Anonymous 43rd Virginia Calalry October 09, 2012 1:04 PM  

How would it feel to fork out millions of dollars to re-elect this guy and have him only barley show up at all.

Blogger Good Will October 09, 2012 1:05 PM  

scoobius dubious October 09, 2012 11:47 AM

The reality is that at present we live in a country where roughly half of the people in America are not actually Americans in any meaningful way. The other day I was in a bank, one of the largest and most influential banks in the country. There was a sticker on the front door, announcing that the bank would be closed on Monday 10/8 in honor of Columbus Day, a federal holiday. Underneath the sticker was another sticker in Spanish (like ya do), which said the bank would be closed on 10/8 for "Dia de la Raza", whatever the fuck that is. Yes, I know perfectly well what it means, but I also know What It Means. A very large segment of our alleged "American people" does not celebrate the actual same holiday as the one designated by our government --- the government that gives all these people the bennies they can't obtain in greasy, shit-colored Mexico.


Damn, scoobius dubious! I may just have to quote your entire post in my journal! You nailed it!!!

Anonymous scoobius dubious October 09, 2012 1:14 PM  

I don't know anything at all about Mormon beliefs (a guy I knew who had made an effort to look into it once called it a "carnival," which made me laugh), but I can tell you this: every Mormon I've ever met has been a decent intelligent upstanding person, hard-working and straight-dealing. (I can't say the same thing with quite the same statistical confidence about Catholics, of which I am one, and who I think have correct belief but in my experience a lesser batting average.) A few of them were from so-called 'at-risk' populations, but they were now honest and well-spoken and serious, and weren't a threat to anybody, so something was working out okay for them. Granted I haven't met every Mormon who's ever lived, but just from one reporter's sample I'd say that even if they believe all sorts of nutty things, nevertheless they seem to be doing _something_ right; and actual results aren't a negligible thing.

As long as they don't want to kill or enslave everybody who isn't a Mormon, the way Muslims do, then I say leave them be. And since they already live here, and are a natural part of the historical white population of North America one way or another, we don't have to worry about pernicious Mormon immigration, the way we do with, well... you know.

It makes a difference.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 October 09, 2012 1:25 PM  

The reality is that at present we live in a country where roughly half of the people in America are not actually Americans in any meaningful way. The other day I was in a bank, one of the largest and most influential banks in the country. There was a sticker on the front door, announcing that the bank would be closed on Monday 10/8 in honor of Columbus Day, a federal holiday. Underneath the sticker was another sticker in Spanish (like ya do), which said the bank would be closed on 10/8 for "Dia de la Raza", whatever the fuck that is. Yes, I know perfectly well what it means, but I also know What It Means. A very large segment of our alleged "American people" does not celebrate the actual same holiday as the one designated by our government --- the government that gives all these people the bennies they can't obtain in greasy, shit-colored Mexico.

Last I checked, this country's population was still around 73% white.

Where is this "half" nonsense coming from. I agree that immigration is a serious problem, but I think the bigger problem is white people who buy into the diversity nonsense.

Anonymous Gen. Kong October 09, 2012 1:30 PM  

hadley
Women are fickle.

Last election it was their old grandfather (McCain) running against some hot young black dude (Obama) who gives them the tingles.

This election it is a rich movie star (Romney) with a female that he services well (she dropped a litter of well fed, handsome, well-behaved kids) who is clearly the alpha male against a p*ssy-whipped, banker-whipped metrosexual.

Bottom line: at the last debate the Ladies saw "Mr. Big" and they are wringing wet.


There's a lot of truth to this. Some old dead punk-crackah even wrote an opera about the notion long ago (Cosi fan tutte). Perhaps Mittens instinctively knows 'game'. Of course his vampire-squid masters (who are also D'Won on d'downlow's masters) know this as well and could have simply told him when to man up. It's been a strange dog-and-pony show in many ways this time around. It's as if they are having a contest to see which one wants to lose. Drama Queen Miss Andrew's hand-wringing and vapors aside, Housenigga Hussein has actually raised more cash and still can count on his loyal 47% of the 57 states, not to mention the uncountable legions of spectral electors from the endless necropoles of his home turf of Soviet Rahmistan, voting Mexicans and other illegals, the folks who routinely vote early and often, etc.

Anonymous scoobius dubious October 09, 2012 1:37 PM  

"Last I checked, this country's population was still around 73% white."

You checked wrong.

But even if your numbers were right, you still haven't quite grasped what I meant.

Anonymous scoobius dubious October 09, 2012 1:40 PM  

"Some old dead punk-crackah even wrote an opera about the notion long ago (Cosi fan tutte)."

Just to be fair, it was TWO dead punk crackaz. DaPonte worked on it too.

Blogger Good Will October 09, 2012 1:41 PM  

Most people think of Mormons as white capitalist Republican Americans.

However, most Mormons are darker-skinned non-Americans. (And, actually, many are socialists. Think of the LDS living in Chavez's Venezuela.) An albino version of these socialists can even be found presiding in the U.S. Senate!

Being a world-wide organization, the LDS Church remains politically neutral. "Socialist" Mormons tend to think it is the government's job to do the Lord's work (much as the Church does). "Capitalist" Mormons tend to think it is the government's job to leave us all the hell alone and let us do the Lord's work (by ourselves, or collectively, but without the coercive, corrupting control of government). These two competing ideologies persist in the Mormon faith. (Romney is a peculiar blend of both ideologies.)

For Mormons, it's virtually impossible to tell who's a Republican or who's a Democrat when going to church on Sunday. Mormons preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and (for the most part) leave politics outside...except when it would be immoral (or unChristian) to do so.

Blogger Good Will October 09, 2012 2:04 PM  


A fascinating read
about Romney and "socialist" Mormons.

By looking at the Mormon Church's "investments", The Brethren appear to be predicting a decidedly capitalist (and economically bright) future.

Anonymous Josh October 09, 2012 2:07 PM  

Mormon politics seem to be simply, "vote for the Mormon guy"

Anonymous Daniel October 09, 2012 2:30 PM  

If Mitt hits the Libyan embassy, he's got a lot more bottle than I would ever have thought.

But he doesn't, so he won't.

Anonymous Josh October 09, 2012 3:00 PM  

Mitt will, but he will also go overboard on the warmongering, making people remember what a disaster the Bush foreign policy was.

Anonymous Cheddarman October 09, 2012 3:38 PM  

"Mitt will, but he will also go overboard on the warmongering, making people remember what a disaster the Bush foreign policy was." - Josh

I was thinking the same thing, Josh, but we forget that more than half of the likely voters are women.

If Mitt comes off as the Alpha male ready to take charge he will get the majority of the female vote, regardless of what he advocates.

Anonymous Daniel October 09, 2012 3:39 PM  

I should have been clearer: if Mitt takes the correct stance on the Libyan embassy vs. Obama, he's got a lot more bottle...which he doesn't.

Blogger Good Will October 09, 2012 3:48 PM  

Josh October 09, 2012 2:07 PM
Mormon politics seem to be simply, "vote for the Mormon guy"


That's ridiculous. Mormons vote for non-Mormons (over Mormons) all the time. Do you really think the choice between "worse" and "better" is that difficult this time?

Blogger Good Will October 09, 2012 3:50 PM  

Josh October 09, 2012 3:00 PM
Mitt will, but he will also go overboard on the warmongering, making people remember what a disaster the Bush foreign policy was.


Reagan projected the threat of power. That's why he didn't have to use it (much). Romney is trying to do the same thing...unlike Obama, who projects weakness and appeasement.

Anonymous Josh October 09, 2012 4:05 PM  

Romney is trying to do the same thing...unlike Obama, who projects weakness and appeasement.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Romney has all but guaranteed that he will let Bibi decide when and where the united states goes to war, and against whom. He also wants to invade Syria and install a democracy there. Daniel Larison has described Willard as the candidate who promotes a policy of omni directional belligerence.

Blogger James Dixon October 09, 2012 4:14 PM  

Speaking of desparation: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/09/nate-Silver-Jumps-Shark-No-one-Cares?

Anonymous Stilicho October 09, 2012 5:01 PM  

From a friend:

Ineptocracy: (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government in which the least capable of leading are elected by the least capable of producing, and in which the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

So, there's still hope for Barry O.

Anonymous Stilicho October 09, 2012 5:02 PM  

Mormon politics seem to be simply, "vote for the Mormon guy"

Haven't you heard? It's the new black.

Anonymous Josh October 09, 2012 5:03 PM  

Talk about light on substance, Mr Dixon.

Of course silver's model is going to underestimate Willard's chances at this point, because only a few post debate polls have been released.

It would be like Tom Brady breaking his leg next week and people getting mad at Aaron Schatz.because dvoa still ranked the Patriots highly.

Anonymous Gen. Kong October 09, 2012 5:45 PM  

As Auster mentions, Mittens' foreign policy is Bushevik Neo-Trottery on Steroids. So, the real question for those who can see is: which nominal choice will lead us faster to collapse? D'Won on d'downlow and his smokin' buddy Weeping Johnny (accompanied by the G.O.P Brokeback Boyz) - or Mittens, who wants to start even more wars to secure the blessings of feminism, sodomy and the Amurikan way for the 1.1 billion Moose-limbs over the Ummah?

Anonymous JCclimber October 09, 2012 6:18 PM  

Either way, the world (and especially Americans) lose.

What fun to try explaining the idiocy of American politics to my European work colleagues and asian friends and relatives. I usually just end up with MPAI as my explanation.

Anonymous Azimus October 09, 2012 7:06 PM  

VD October 09, 2012 8:58 AM
I suspect that is why the media is heaping such coals on him now; they're trying to motivate him by making it more painful for him to not try than to take that risk.


Before the debate he was in the pole position: all he needed to do was to refuse battle and coast... he didn't need to risk anything. All he needed to do was pipe a bunch of B.S. feelgood stuff of no substance and there would be no poll change, and B.S. feelgood stuff is his bailiwick. Sound basic strategy.

This was a major route for Obama... probably the feeling the French had when they saw the Old Guard break at Waterloo... you've got to hand it to Romney, he attacked like a beserker and broke through. Now Obama has to fight a battle he's never had to before: uphill.

It may just be a matter of red faction humiliating blue faction at the annual club dinner, but it was an impressive bit of work I have to admit.

Anonymous Porky? October 09, 2012 7:23 PM  

SarahsDaughter: "For women, it's all about the peanut butter and honey sammiches (and the family that gathers around to make and eat them).

I love you. How would you like to become wife #6?

Anonymous ENthePeasant October 09, 2012 8:23 PM  

Didn't have time to go through all the comments so forgive me ahead of time if this has already been said. Barry is only president because he ran against McCain. I still don't understand that one. The GOP must be full of the most clueless men in the world to let that happen... or they intentionally decided to let Barry win. I have no idea which, but I'm still tempted to vote for Barry just cuz McCain's in the Republican party and may have some influence in a Romney Administration.

Blogger Lovekraft October 09, 2012 8:26 PM  

Arguing over Obamamma and Romney is like arguing over who should get to control the games in the sandbox, while Chinese and Muslim bulldozers are getting ready to bury the whole thing with them in it.

Anonymous 11B October 09, 2012 8:34 PM  

I think I want Romney to win just to see the look on Barry's face. And to see all the liberals in the MSM openly cry on election night.

I want Romney to win just to see the riots.

Blogger James Dixon October 09, 2012 9:23 PM  

> Talk about light on substance, Mr Dixon.

Did I say it was substantive? What I said was "speaking of desperation", which is a fair distillation of the article. Whether people agree with it or not is up to them, but it was on topic, so...

Anonymous Anonymous October 09, 2012 9:49 PM  

"I want Romney to win just to see the riots."

Please God, Buddha, Allah, Jesus, Anubis, Bog, Venus, etc... please, please, please let the riots happen. And please have Koreans and blacks involved.

Anonymous Idle Spectator October 09, 2012 10:10 PM  

A fascinating read about Romney and "socialist" Mormons.

By looking at the Mormon Church's "investments", The Brethren appear to be predicting a decidedly capitalist (and economically bright) future.


I also really enjoyed the Mormons inventing a new type of government called Theodemocracy, inventing the language of Deseret, and trying to form their own Mormon empire in the southwest.

Deseret also means "honeybee" in the language. That's why you see a beehive on the state flag of Utah, symbolizing industry.


Mormon politics seem to be simply, "vote for the Mormon guy"

Haven't you heard? It's the new black.


Is that like the New Coke? Because that did not work out too well.


I want Romney to win just to see the riots.

I really wish Mormons would behave themselves more.

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, Berkeley Sociologist October 09, 2012 10:32 PM  

Group Inequality

Fascinating paper. Shows mathematically why excessive immigration and affirmative action in which Obama is the end result is terribly counterproductive. If u r "tl;dr" for 24 pages and not a big fan of Non-Linear Dynamics, Jacobians, and (un)stable equilibria, just skip to the conclusions on page 17. Plain, simple english.

Like this here: "Our results show that there are conditions under which group inequality will persist indefinitely even in the presence of equal economic opportunity. In fact, when no stable steady state with group equality exists, even redistributive policies will be ineffective as long as they are temporary."

In order words, inequality emerging organically without any need for diversity seminars.


"Furthermore, declining segregation can have discontinuous effects on long run group inequality, with these effects depending systematically on demographic structure of the population."

In other words, too much immigration is bad, bad, bad. Replacing population A with B is NOT GOING TO WORK.


Favorite quote from page 14: However, not all instances of contemporary group inequality can be traced to historical oppression. Many immigrants of European descent arrived in the United States with little human or material wealth, but distinct ethnic groups have experienced strikingly different economic trajectories in subsequent generations. Similarly, hierarchical economic orders such as the caste system and the early agrarian civilizations emerged from societies with little if any political hierarchy or economic inequality. This suggests that economic inequality across social groups might arise endogenously under certain conditions, without pre-existing discrimination or group differences in ability or wealth.

Gee, I wonder what the X factor could be?

...Genetics perhaps?

Anonymous The OASF October 09, 2012 10:56 PM  

Even if Romney wins half of the toss-up electoral votes, which he won't, he still loses by 38.

Is it any wonder that Obama is nodding off in never-never land right now?

Blogger mojo.rhythm October 09, 2012 11:02 PM  

Did anybody watch Democracy Now's Breaking the Sound Barrier special? Gee, I really wish that they included some third-party candidates in the debate. Folks like Gary Johnson, Rocky Anderson, Jill Stein, et. al would have been very refreshing to see on the dais. It would have made the almost identical nature of the Democrats and Republicans starkly apparent to the casual viewer.

And on another, light-hearted note: did anybody watch the 2012 Rumble in the Air-Conditioned Auditorium?

Anonymous Konstantinos October 10, 2012 10:04 PM  

Sullivan is just worried that the position of "Homogamy Czar" that Barry has promised him should he get re-elected is now in jeopardy. Poor Sully . . .

Anonymous E. PERLINE October 11, 2012 9:22 AM  

It seems that Obama is motivated by poor and idealistic Marxism, even if it's only a dream, and Romney is motivated by acquiring material wealth, even if it's without limits. Which one of these role models would you want your children to have?

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box October 11, 2012 11:57 AM  

Could it just possibly be that Comrade-0 sucks without his teleprompter?

Blogger George October 20, 2012 10:48 AM  

I knew you were right Vox even before you did. Hehehe. It has been months and months since I have even lurked here so forgive if this topic was covered but I think, and I have nothing to back this but a strong feeling...people are lying about voting for Obama in the polls. I believe this election will be one of the biggest landslides in history...despite massive voter fraud. Also, biggest riots ever to follow. Mark my words....
Old George from back in the day....

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