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Monday, November 12, 2012

A fitting tribute

When I was a boy, I used to love spending Saturday afternoons in the fall watching SWC and Pac-8 football on TV.  I liked the tearaway jerseys and the powerful, wide-open running games, which seemed so different than the plodding Big 10, three years and a cloud of dust game that was dominated by Schembechler's Wolverines and Woody Hayes's Buckeyes.  For reasons I cannot explain, most likely related to my intense dislike of Arkansas and Oklahoma, I was a Texas fan, and one of my favorite shirts was a white mesh jersey with the orange Texas Longhorn on the front.

While I much prefer NFL football to the NCAA these days, mostly due to the better competitive balance in the pro game, there is still something about seeing the fall colors and the leaves fallen from the trees that makes me hear a horn section and the voices of Brent Musburger and Keith Jackson in my mind.  So, I found this respectful tribute to the late Texas coach, Darrell Royal, by the team he once coached with such success, to be a beautifully fitting one.



I especially liked how the crowd recognized it and began to cheer as soon as the Longhorns lined up in the old, familiar formation.

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Anonymous Josh November 12, 2012 4:19 PM  

SWC and Pac 8 ain't never got nothing on the SEC!

SIX IN A ROW BABY! SEC SPEED!

Anonymous Tom B November 12, 2012 4:42 PM  

The wishbone is the ultimate power formation. My one year of coaching peewee football I had 10 plays we ran out of the wishbone. The kids loved running it too.

Anonymous WaterBoy November 12, 2012 4:54 PM  

That pass was legal. It was backwards all the way; it wasn't even close, like the announcer was claiming.

Anonymous JI November 12, 2012 4:55 PM  

Nice sentiments and memories. BUT, a Texas fan? Oh dear.

Blogger Tiny Tim November 12, 2012 4:58 PM  

Earl Campbell was incredible to watch play as a kid. He was a beast who pounded everyone into submission. #20 was The Man.... now he is just a cripple according to friends of mine who have seen him recently.

Anonymous Kriston November 12, 2012 5:00 PM  

JI November 12, 2012 4:55 PM

Nice sentiments and memories. BUT, a Texas fan? Oh dear.


Just remember: There is a very thin line separating the Texan from a complete idiot.






We call it The Red River!

Blogger Nate November 12, 2012 5:01 PM  

Screw the Longhorns. That said... Loved it.

Anonymous WaterBoy November 12, 2012 5:15 PM  

"Just remember: There is a very thin line separating the Texan from a complete idiot."

Weren't there several Texas players busted earlier this year on some stupid charge?

Book 'em, Horns!

Blogger JDC November 12, 2012 5:31 PM  

Go wishbone! Well, if there was ever an argument for a playoff - we may have it this year. 2014 will be too long to wait. If any of the two remaining teams stay unbeaten (ND, KSU, or Or-ah-gun) then the SEC will be shut out of the game. After the election, and this travesty, the South will riot.

The problem with the SEC is they have to play each other - other teams in weaker conferences can win out and bypass playing them altogether. None of the three remaining teams have an easy road. KSU has Texas, Oregon has Stanford and OSU (who will be very motivated to win), and ND has USC. Of the three ND is IMO the weakest (barely beating pitiful MI and MSU teams), and squeaking by an very average PITT.

Anonymous WaterBoy November 12, 2012 5:39 PM  

" Well, if there was ever an argument for a playoff - we may have it this year."

BCS to have six bowls, not seven, in playoffs.

Anonymous Daniel November 12, 2012 5:44 PM  

Before the game, I said, "Why couldn't Darrell Royal have just waited until next week." Gorgeous day, amped up home crowd, and tribute plays were not cards in the morally superior Cyclones favor that day, especially since the last time the good guys were in Austin, they walked out with a win that demoralized the program for the rest of the year.

Although a sack of Ash in the end zone would have been much preferred, I can't say I wasn't moved. It was great to see.

JDC - No, what this proves is that middle of the pack Big 12 teams like A&M can walk into the SEC and prove that the conference never should have replayed its divisional title game and called it a national championship. Oklahoma State would have done the exact same thing to 'Bama last year, except not as close.

When Mizzou can play Florida to 14-7, the SEC is not having a problem "playing itself." Playing with itself, maybe.

I mean, come on. They get to play Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mizzou, Arkansas and Vandy. That's 6 wins in anybody's conference...as anybody's conference has proven!

Blogger JDC November 12, 2012 5:48 PM  

A&M is in the Big 12? That's news to me.

Anonymous Daniel November 12, 2012 5:58 PM  

No, they left because they couldn't compete. They found an easier conference to play in.

Speaking of better conferences:

There was a freshman at Iowa State in 2010 who played a big role in a victory over Texas, and he wouldn't stop crowing about it. Every time it got brought up in the media, he said, "Man oh man, we whipped Texas in 2010!"

Coach Brown was a bit on the hot seat that season, and this kid drove him nuts. He called him up and said, "Knock it off. You beat us one time, and we beat you the 8 times before, and we'll beat you again the next 8 times. Please just shut your mouth."

The kid wouldn't quit so finally Brown called him up again and said, "Look, transfer to Texas, sit out 2011, and I promise you'll start. I'll throw in a new cheerleader each week, and after every game we win, there'll be an unmarked paper bag with hundred dollar bills in it."

The kid couldn't turn it down and saw his first action in 2012. He's been having a good year, and after the Royal memorial game, when Texas blew out the Cyclones by more than 20, Mack Brown smiled smugly and turned to the kid. "What do you think about that?"

The kid said, "Good win, coach, but man oh man, those bastards sure whipped us in 2010."

Anonymous Matt November 12, 2012 6:05 PM  

No, they left because they couldn't compete. They found an easier conference to play in.

There's a nontrivial chance we'll get to test that theory this year with a Texas/A&M Cotton Bowl. Texas had better hope not, but it is possible.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 12, 2012 6:17 PM  

Awe, come on, Vox! Oklahoma isn't so bad. We have a large amount of biomes in our state! You can grow spinach through the winter (these days). And it's affordable here, too!

Anonymous Anonymous November 12, 2012 6:26 PM  

A post on American Football, but no post about Pedo-Elmo?!?! What blog am I on?

Anonymous jm November 12, 2012 6:50 PM  

Speaking of Texas, they now have sufficient petition votes to get a response from the "White" House.

Anonymous Brian November 12, 2012 6:54 PM  

If only Royal was still around to teach them how to tackle...

Blogger James Dixon November 12, 2012 7:01 PM  

> Earl Campbell was incredible to watch play as a kid.

Earl Campbell was incredible to watch, period.

I still have no idea how WVU managed to win at Texas, given the way they've played the rest of this year.

Anonymous ENthePeasant November 12, 2012 7:40 PM  

Loved the bone, and option football period. Coached it off and on for many years. It mainly went out of favor in college (almost all the best High School teams still run some variant) because it's hard on the backs and especially the QB who knows in that system he'll never go to the NFL. Wide outs ain't thrilled to be in that system either. But it was one hell of a lot of fun watching teams like Nebraska and Oklahoma and Texas all running it.

Anonymous The OASF November 12, 2012 7:57 PM  

Fantastic.

This is exactly why sports (particularly football) is the only thing even remotely watchable on television.

Blogger JDC November 12, 2012 8:05 PM  

@Daniel - I agree the Big 12 is strong this year. I'm a Big Ten fan, so I get to sit back and watch an absolute abysmal year - 2 teams in the top 25 - with one, MI, not deserving to be there.

I think the SEC does have some soft teams, but you can't argue with 6/6 in the last BCS championship games. Unless OU or KSU step up and win one, you have to contend with the fact that the rest of the conferences are catching up.

I would love to see the SEC shut out of the BCS. They are arrogant and annoying but they have earned it. Until another conference (and or team in ND's case) steps up and wins the big one it's theirs to lose.

Blogger Nate November 12, 2012 8:20 PM  

"I mean, come on. They get to play Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mizzou, Arkansas and Vandy. That's 6 wins in anybody's conference...as anybody's conference has proven!"

You do realize that 2 of those teams you mentioned are former BCS champions right?

How many teams in the Big 12 have won BCS Championships again?

Texas... Oklahoma...

And?

The SEC has Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, and Florida.

Bitch.

Blogger Nate November 12, 2012 8:21 PM  

Simple fact.

Neither Texas nor Oklahoma would finish in the top 2 in either of the SEC's divisions.

Blogger Nate November 12, 2012 8:45 PM  

For the record... the SEC has 8 BCS Championship Titles.

No other conference has more than 2.

Anonymous Josh November 12, 2012 9:30 PM  

Crickets from Big 12 country...

Blogger Vidad November 12, 2012 9:59 PM  

Wow. Great play.

Anonymous ridip November 12, 2012 10:01 PM  

Nice tribute. But, yeah, Texas?

The Dawgs began their conference season whomping on some Mizzou'rable Tigers and I'm looking forward to them finishing it by pushing back The Tide.

We saw the first one two rows back behind their bench. Doubt we'll be able to afford that for tangling with Nate's Alabama boys.

Anonymous zen0 November 12, 2012 10:01 PM  

Seems to me the college football thread has more energy than the faux NFL cum Fantasy thread.

As in financials, the derivatives dwarf the original product.

Time to establish a fantasy college league, to dissipate this unhealthy exuberance for reality.

Anonymous 11B November 12, 2012 10:52 PM  

For the SEC supporters, I would like your conference more if it were a little more diverse and reflected more the demographic makeup of nation, or at least the student bodies of its member institutions. Add some damn color.

Anonymous Brian November 13, 2012 12:47 AM  

Let the SEC chanters be reminded that their dominance of the BCS is recent and WILL go away. The BCS enjoyed a lot of parity in its early years, and will return to parity starting with this season. The list of BCS champions and their conferences the first 8 years:

Tennessee (SEC)
Florida St. (ACC)
Oklahoma (Big XII)
Miami (Big East)
Ohio St. (Big 10)
LSU (SEC)
USC (Pac 10)
Texas (Big XII)

Two championships from the SEC, two from Big XII, and a split NC (AP poll) for USC in 2003 gives them two as well. Basically, the SEC dominance is due primarily to Urban Meyer and Nick Saban, who own 5 of the 8 titles.

Blogger JDC November 13, 2012 1:41 AM  

Add some damn color.

Color!! There's AJ McCarron, Aaron Murphy, Connor Shaw, Jeff Driskel, Tyler Wilson, Tyler Bray, Johnny Manziel, and Tyler Russel. Quite a Benetton ad I'd say.

Anonymous 上酒 November 13, 2012 1:54 AM  

I can hardly stand to watch college football anymore now that every team seemingly wears a new uniform each and every week, the majority of which offend my aesthetic sensibilities.

I want to watch football, not a bloody fashion show.

Blogger Huggums November 13, 2012 3:34 AM  

I know this is OT, but I think it goes very well with what you've been saying about peer-reviewed science. Ben Goldacre talks about publication bias.

Anonymous Fatherof10 November 13, 2012 7:38 AM  

I am very saddened to learn that VD was a tu fan in his youth. Of course, he was not a CHRISTian at the time, so it was forgiven. Royal was one of the greatest coaches ever and deserves the honor. My favorite days where after Royal retired and A&M beat tu 5 years in a row.

I am certainly glad to see the Fightin Texas Aggies riding high for a time in the SEC. Looking for Collin Klein to win the Heisman this year, and Johnny Manziel winning it for the rest of his college career.

Blogger Nate November 13, 2012 7:51 AM  

"Let the SEC chanters be reminded that their dominance of the BCS is recent and WILL go away. "

And when it does go away... it will be replaced with a 4 team playoff.

Better get used to those SEC chants buddy.

You'll hear them the rest of your life.

Blogger Nate November 13, 2012 7:55 AM  

"For the SEC supporters, I would like your conference more if it were a little more diverse and reflected more the demographic makeup of nation, or at least the student bodies of its member institutions."

/facepalm

Anonymous Theophilus November 13, 2012 9:06 AM  

Hook 'Em Horns!

Anonymous Josh November 13, 2012 9:19 AM  

For the SEC supporters, I would like your conference more if it were a little more diverse and reflected more the demographic makeup of nation, or at least the student bodies of its member institutions. Add some damn color.

You must be a soccer fan...

Anonymous Daniel November 13, 2012 9:53 AM  

I think the SEC does have some soft teams, but you can't argue with 6/6 in the last BCS championship games. Unless OU or KSU step up and win one, you have to contend with the fact that the rest of the conferences are catching up.

Watch me. I'll give you 5/5, even though one of those includes a team that is 2-7 right now and losing its coach. Not exactly a sterling model of dominance.

But 6/6? Nope. Try 6/7. Last year's replay of the division was a complete joke. Alabama would have looked identical (or worse) to the aTm game had they played the Cowboys instead of the Tigers.

Bring on the playoff, is all I'm saying. I'm also glad that the SEC also recognized the fault

The SEC stinks this year, relative to itself. The alleged powers are two notches (at best) worse than before, and the bottom, who-ee boy. That's unwatchable. I remember years when Kentucky was good and could only win one or two games in the SEC, there was that much separation.

This year? Your 2nd best team is a newcomer (so SEC historical arguments be damned - if an outside team can walk in and whip ass, by definition, the outside isn't as inferior as you think). That says it all.

I don't deny that the SEC hasn't had a decent run. But an objective look at this year and last year's travesty (where they didn't even bother testing the thesis - not the SEC had any choice either - screw the BCS) is all you need to know that neither Cameron nor Timothy are still in the building. Johnny Football will be for the next 4 years, though, and if aTm ends up winning the national title (coming from a conference they never dominated) in that time span, it will be because the SEC is not as NFL quality as it thinks it is.

Don't get me wrong: the SEC has been the best or 2nd best conference for decades, and will stay there. But just like Gene Chizik, the worst coach statistically in Iowa State history (that's saying a lot), had no problem going undefeated in the SEC, his association with the SEC halo didn't make him great. Tuberville went undefeated in the SEC, too, another thing he hasn't whiffed in the B12.

All I'm saying is that just because the rigged title has broken your way 5.5. years in a row, doesn't make the SEC the '85 Bears of college football.

Anonymous Josh November 13, 2012 10:20 AM  

Hey Daniel...how is Texas doing without Vince young?

I seem to remember Texas and Oklahoma playing SEC schools in title games and getting hammered.

And you know how mizzou was one of the top four teams in the big 12? They can't even beat vandy this year. And in the big 12, vandy probably wins 7 conference games this year.

Oregon might play Kansas state in the title game this year. And they might obliterate Kansas state. Now remember what auburn did to Oregon's offense. And remember that auburn was not a greatSEC defense.

Blogger Nate November 13, 2012 10:27 AM  

"This year? Your 2nd best team is a newcomer (so SEC historical arguments be damned - if an outside team can walk in and whip ass, by definition, the outside isn't as inferior as you think). That says it all."

You realize that "second best team" got beat by both Florida AND LSU right?

Texas A&M isn't even the 4th best team in the conference.

THAT should tell you how good the top of the SEC is.

And yes... UT, Missou, and Vandy would all finish in the top half of any other conference.

Blogger Nate November 13, 2012 10:28 AM  

And yes.. Kentucky sucks. But what you don't realize is Vandy is pretty damned good.

Blogger Nate November 13, 2012 10:29 AM  

so yeah.. The SEC has wanted a playoff forever. When it happens.. SEC vs SEC National Championship games will be the norm. Not the exception.

Anonymous YIH November 13, 2012 11:05 AM  

OH
WOW
The 'hook and lateral'.
To do that out of the end zone took balls. Big ones.
And it worked!

Anonymous Josh November 13, 2012 11:09 AM  

That is not a hook and lateral.

Anonymous Theophilus November 13, 2012 11:48 AM  

"Hey Daniel...how is Texas doing without Vince young?"

Texas went to the national championship again 3 years AFTER Vince Young left. Colt McCoy got hurt in the opening drive of the game and the Longhorns had to put in a true FRESHMAN to play QB against Alabama, and almost pulled off the win anyway!

Sophomore David Ash is looking good. They are ranked. So they are doing just fine without him...

Anonymous Josh November 13, 2012 12:02 PM  

Just fine = no titles?

Ya ain't won nothing.

And you were too scared to join the SEC and play big boy football.

Anonymous WaterBoy November 13, 2012 12:14 PM  

Not H&L -- it was a variant of the flea-flicker play.

Anonymous Daniel November 13, 2012 12:15 PM  

Texas has two rough losses and a couple of what would have been disastrous near misses to lesser teams this year, but I don't think anyone from the SEC would want them on the schedule right now. They found themselves for the first time since McCoy (and, yeah, Theophilus is right - Bama might have won against McCoy, but I doubt it.), and I don't look forward to them next year.

SEC has struggled this year with Louisiana directional, at least twice that I can remember. Georgia got drop-kicked by a mediocre Carolina. Florida lost to Georgia and nearly handed it to Mizzou!

An ugly year in the SEC. Obviously not as ugly as the Big Ten (or SunBelt North, if you prefer), and the SEC has a lot of cushion. But if you think this year's teams are reloading, considering the unmitigated disaster that Arky, Auburn, Bumtuck, Tennessee, Mizzou and Ole Miss are (and is it just me, or does Vandy always finish with a record of 6-6 or 2-10? Is that some sort of SEC secret code, or just a coincidence?) and how shallow the top is, then I want what you are drinking.

Blogger Tiny Tim November 13, 2012 12:17 PM  

Texas, the land of Football, guns, oil and liberty!

Anonymous Daniel November 13, 2012 12:20 PM  

And you were too scared to join the SEC and play big boy football.

Considering that the fourth best team in Texas already did that, and just throttled the SEC West Runner-up/National Champeen on Saturday, I don't think that holds any water.

Oh man, I'll laugh myself to death if Chizik pulls out an idiotic win over Alabama on his way out the door. Never happen, but wouldn't it be a hoot?

Anonymous Tex Randy November 13, 2012 12:21 PM  

Don't forget queers & steers.

Anonymous Go Titans! November 13, 2012 12:32 PM  

Daniel: Georgia got drop-kicked by a mediocre Carolina.

Drinking early? South Carolina is ranked #9 and higher than all of the Big 10 and Big 12 teams with the exception of K-State.

Blogger Nate November 13, 2012 12:44 PM  

Georgia... Florida... South Carolina... hell son.. they would all wreck any team from the Big 12.

Texas would be a two touchdown underdog. Moron.

Anonymous Josh November 13, 2012 12:52 PM  

Um...look at the bcs standings...

60% of the top ten comes from the SEC...

that is one hell of a shallow top...

Anonymous Josh November 13, 2012 1:02 PM  

Considering that the fourth best team in Texas already did that,

Based on what metric?

Who is ranked higher from Texas than the Aggies?

Blogger Nate November 13, 2012 1:02 PM  

So.... the Big 12 has 1 team... 1 TEAM... in the top 10...

The SEC has 6.

And this is supposed to be a down year for the SEC?


I wonder if Calvinism is common in Big12 fans...

Anonymous Josh November 13, 2012 1:22 PM  

We could also look at how many draft picks come from the SEC...compared to other conferences...

Anonymous Josh November 13, 2012 1:28 PM  

Also...the highest rated games during the regular season are usually SEC games...

And the girls are much hotter...

And the tailgating is better...

And the crowd at one stadium was so loud...it caused an earthquake...

Also...if the Big 12 is so awesome...why did it lose four teams?

Name one school that's flirted with leaving the SEC...

Anonymous Clay November 13, 2012 1:42 PM  

Forbes seems to think the SEC is the King of the Hill as well.

Just a few interesting tidbits to mull over.

Anonymous Daniel November 13, 2012 2:08 PM  

Name one school that's flirted with leaving the SEC...

Auburn, but that's only because Chizik has claimed that the University is "firmly entrenched" in the SEC.

No one flirted with leaving the Big Ten, either. Does that put it on par with the SEC? Financial structure of the Big 12 is stupid, but teams left for money, not for better football.

And the only thing the girls prove is that at least someone in the SEC knows how to handle the spread.

Anonymous Daniel November 13, 2012 2:20 PM  

Drinking early? South Carolina is ranked #9 and higher than all of the Big 10 and Big 12 teams with the exception of K-State.

No. Actually watching the games. S. Carolina had its easiest schedule in a decade and has looked like garbage for weeks. That Vandy game was joke, and the last four have been ridiculous, unless you think drooling down the front of your shirt en route to a victory against Arkansas and sneaking past the mighty volunteers is something I should be impressed with.

If they were ranked 15th, they'd be overrated. That schedule is soft, soft, soft, although I'll give them credit for being the beneficiaries of Georgia's Annual Brain Fart game. They did bring their best to that one, and took full advantage of Georgia being Georgia.

Now, if they beat Clemson, I'll admit that 9th is about right, but it hasn't happened yet, and I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see them lose that one. Until then, there's nothing about their play this year that makes me a believer in top 10 status.

Anonymous Daniel November 13, 2012 2:38 PM  

Considering that the fourth best team in Texas already did that,

Based on what metric?

Who is ranked higher from Texas than the Aggies?


The very simple metric of head-to-head history. Quick, name the times that aTm finished higher than 4th in the Big 12 in the last dozen years.

Zero. Heck, they only finished 4th two times.

Name the number of times Texas has finished below 4th?

Twice. Obviously they are #1. Tech is 2nd, having finished higher than 4th 5 times, and even Baylor's done it 2 times more than aTm.

This is the problem with SEC fan - not only doesn't understand where his own conference truly lies in the big picture, but he can't be bothered to follow the other conferences long enough to make an educated critique.

Anyone can tell you that aTm is 4th best in Texas over the past decade. That's why they went to the SEC - they wanted to be the pretty girl again. Johnny Football is no slouch, but neither was Tannehill last year. Baylor's not good without RGIII, so it is obvious aTm would beat the Bears, but I'm not even sure A&M would hold up against TCU's defense this year. Tech would be a draw. The Longhorns would dump 'em faster than it took Big Tex to go up in smoke (at least at this point in the season. Earlier on and aTm might have won.)

Anonymous SEC Homer November 13, 2012 2:56 PM  

Now Daniel, if we're gonna go back decades, let's just go ahead on back to the Stone Age:

How many National Football Championships have the members of the Big 12 won? (all totaled)

How many Championships has just Alabama won?

Blogger Nate November 13, 2012 3:47 PM  

"The Longhorns would dump 'em faster than it took Big Tex to go up in smoke (at least at this point in the season. Earlier on and aTm might have won.)"

TAMU would rape the shit out of the Longhorns this year Nancy. its not even close.

And do you really want to talk history as a metric?

Texas football history doesn't even top the REAL UT... much less compare to Alabama's.

Blogger Nate November 13, 2012 3:54 PM  

But the Texas fan is right about one thing... we don't pay much attention to other conferences... because paying attention to other conferences is like an MLB fan paying attention to the minor leagues.

Anonymous Josh November 13, 2012 4:03 PM  

There are other conferences?

Anonymous Daniel November 13, 2012 4:06 PM  

TAMU would rape the shit out of the Longhorns this year Nancy. its not even close.

Uh-huh. A miracle for a team that couldn't find a win vs. Texas with two hands and a flashlight with Tannehill vs. an Ashless Texas last year.

Right. aTm couldn't rape a mason jar in the Big 12, and now magical SEC fairy dust has made them World Beater #1?

Okay. You have fun watching your MLB in a football league. That would explain why the SEC never bothers to produce legitimate quarterbacks. They keep recruiting pitchers.

Anonymous The Manning Family November 13, 2012 4:16 PM  

Rigggght. How's that NFL career working out for ya, Vince?

Anonymous Daniel November 13, 2012 4:19 PM  

How many Championships has just Alabama won?

Just a few less than USC, I admit its true. I've never claimed that Alabama wasn't the second third or fourth best team in college history, just that they can't count last year's sister-kisser as anything but a divisional tie.

I'm not even saying it is their fault. They fell backwards into that "title" game and took advantage of it. But they look silly wearing those t-shirts and expecting any serious football fan not to crack a smirk.

After all, if you've got so gosh-darn many of the championships, why on earth would you want to sully the legit ones with the bogus? Bama wasn't even the 2nd best team in the SEC last year, I can't conceive any scenario under which they could therefore be considered the best in the country. If you want to claim consensus poll #1, that's okay, but there wasn't a championship game played last year.

Blogger Nate November 13, 2012 4:23 PM  

"Okay. You have fun watching your MLB in a football league. That would explain why the SEC never bothers to produce legitimate quarterbacks."

The REAL UT: Peyton Manning.


The University of Texas... ummm... errr... Colt McCoy?


Anonymous Daniel November 13, 2012 4:29 PM  

Rigggght. How's that NFL career working out for ya, Vince?

Or RGIII or Tannehill or Whedon. That's just last year's grads. You are seriously delusional if you are going to try to match QBs from both both conferences. That's no contest.

Next time, pick a college qb from this millenium to rep the current SEC, if you want to make the point that the SEC knows what an NFL qb looks like.

Anonymous Josh November 13, 2012 4:38 PM  

Matt Stafford? Jay Cutler?

Anonymous Brian November 13, 2012 5:12 PM  

Any argument for the supremacy of SEC QBs ends with the mention of JaMarcus and Tebow.

Anonymous Josh November 13, 2012 5:17 PM  

I'm not making an argument for the supremacy of SEC QBs, just pointing out that we've produced a few good ones.

Oh...

And Eli.

Anonymous YA's Tittle November 13, 2012 5:46 PM  

Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Matthew Stafford, Cam Newton, Jay Cutler, and Tebow (just because he has more playoff wins than the three you mentioned combined) vs. RGIII, Tannehill, Weeden, Freeman, Bradford and I may have missed a couple. Lots of potential with the Big 12 guys but too early to tell. Is that really dilusional? Are you joking?

Blogger James Dixon November 14, 2012 10:07 AM  

> Georgia... Florida... South Carolina... hell son.. they would all wreck any team from the Big 12.

I don't recall that happening the last time Georgia won the SEC and played WVU in the Sugar Bowl, Nate.

As I've said before: The SEC, the conference with the most titles for playing with themselves.

Blogger James Dixon November 14, 2012 10:30 AM  

And for those interested in actual recognized NCAA titles, the following may prove educational: http://www.ncaa.com/history/football/fbs

As may this discussion: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/647287-got-13-how-many-championships-does-alabama-or-anyone-really-have

Blogger Rhology November 14, 2012 12:48 PM  

Josh November 13, 2012 10:20 AM
I seem to remember Texas and Oklahoma playing SEC schools in title games and getting hammered.

For those with poor memory like Josh, Oklahoma played LSU and lost 21-14, with the tying TD pass late in the 4th Q landing literally a few feet past the outstretched fingers of OU's fullback.
Then OU drove again, last chance, kept running the ball straight down LSU's gassed defense to around midfield. Great progress. Then for some reason OU started passing, 4 consecutive incompletions, game over. Hardly a "hammering".

OU played the Fighting Tebows in 2008 and lost 24-14. That game was also very close. The Tebows made a great goal-line stand in the 3rd Q I think, which if OU had converted would have put them ahead in the game. Florida stopped OU's running back around the 1 yard line b/c one of OU's linemen forgot how to block. That was also a pretty close game, not a "hammering".

sexaT played Bama and Colt McCoy moved the ball at will against their D until he was knocked out of the game by a freak (and really, not very big) hit to his shoulder that knocked all the feeling out of it. saxeT played the rest of the game with a backup QB who would later prove to be insufficiently skilled to start at SMU. Who knows what would have happened if McCoy had played the whole game?

You're welcome.

Blogger Rhology November 14, 2012 12:48 PM  

That is, *after the 2008 season.

Anonymous Anonymous November 14, 2012 4:01 PM  

I went to Texas back when A&M were still in the Big 12. It's hard to care much when alumni from other Big 12 schools tried to rile you up, because with the exception of Boulder, there isn't another Big 12 city in which I'd live. The easy counter argument is always, why would anyone give weight to the opinion of someone who voluntarily spent four years of their life in [Norman, College Station, Lincoln]?

Anonymous Daniel November 14, 2012 5:18 PM  

Is that really dilusional? Are you joking?

No. It is delusional to think that, aside from the Vince Youngian Newton, that there has been a qb from the SEC worth drafting in the last 5 years or so.

Tebow is a back-up, and unless you want to throw Jason Campbell in with your vaunted list of recent SEC grads, then he most certainly doesn't count. In which case, the Big 12 has littered the NFL with backups.

Mannings were in the SEC in the 1990s, for pity's sakes. That certainly can't be a model of the SEC's current situation on qbs. Cutler was drafted when, 2005 or something?

Not counting the one-season wonder that was Cameron and Stafford I can't think of a single SEC qb drafted since 2008 that is starting in the league.

That means the SEC has gone freshman-to-senior with a pair of decent prospects.

I can think of three from the big 12 who were drafted, and are starting since last year.

The Big 12 stocks the NFL with qbs, right now.

Y'all are like Spurrier, who thought Alabama could beat an NFL team (which maybe they could have, when Spurrier was coaching the Redskins), when they can't even beat a broke-ass old Big 12 team on their own home turf.

If the SE(spn)C is truly clearly the best conference in the U.S., why the heck do its fans and leaders engage in such obvious hyperbole?

The great know it, they execute it, they enjoy it. They don't make up soothing lies to make their case. SEC blinders are plain silly. I think it is the 2nd best conference this year. I thought it was the best one last year and two of the three previous years. But it is always close, and some years, SEC quality has been indistinguishable from the Pac-10, and one year (2005?) the SEC wasn't much better than the Big Ten!

That's a fine track record, certainly one of, if not the, best. It doesn't, however, make you the unbeatable gods of football.

What I hope we all look forward to is the proving ground of at least a 4-team playoff, because if we ever have another conference replay for a "title", I, for one, will puke a crimson tide.

Anonymous WaterBoy November 14, 2012 6:16 PM  

"I, for one, will puke a crimson tide."

I admit it, I laughed (silently). Best hyperbole of the entire thread!

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