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Wednesday, November 07, 2012

Breakdown

This chart of the electorate fairly clearly illustrates the growing difference between historical America and third world America.


We already knew the "conservative Catholic Hispanic" vote upon which Karl Rove and George W. Bush were going to build their permanent Republican majority doesn't exist.  But the theory of the conservative Asian voter appears to be even more of a myth.  Of course, why immigrants from cultures with zero tradition of limited government would ever be expected to respect the concept has never been explained to my satisfaction.  And where would they learn to appreciate it in modern America?  The public schools?  At university?

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Anonymous Nihilus November 07, 2012 6:27 PM  

Let's import more genius Asians. That'll work, right?

Anonymous JN November 07, 2012 6:30 PM  

So the reality is that no one appreciates white European culture and society as much as white men.

Anonymous Kel November 07, 2012 6:32 PM  

What's infuriating is listening to older Republicans who think that the country's demographics are the same as they were in 1988 or 1992. Things have radically changed since then and it's only getting worse and worse. I don't think any of them realize that it is mathematically impossible for a Republican to win the Presidency now, and certainly not if these demographic trends continue.

An informal survey of the NRO/Mainstream Right blogs today shows how deluded they are. All of them are talking about "Hispanic outreach" crap. Some are embracing Puerto Rico's nonbinding vote for statehood, saying that if Congress approves it then it'll be a way to make "inroads" with Hispanics. They are, to put it bluntly, idiots.

I think their generational obsolescence blinds them to these new realities. They can't see that America is no longer the America they grew up with, and don't understand that these immigrants will NEVER vote for limited government, let alone Mr. White Republican who believes in it, because they both hate and envy him.

As for me, I was dumb enough to participate in this process this time. I won't make that mistake again. I just hope the system collapses violently enough that there's hope enough for a better restoration at some point.

Anonymous Matt November 07, 2012 6:37 PM  

Let's import more genius Asians. That'll work, right?

I suspect Asians could probably be swung in a more conservative direction. Steve Sailer's catchphrase is "Asians are more conservative than their neighbors, but they have liberal neighbors." This might change as the left's ethnic coalition gets skewed more and more toward traditionally-"good"-minority-hostile NAMs.

Not to say we should import more Asians, but for the ones that are here, the result per outreach effort might be higher than you'd expect.

Anonymous Sensei November 07, 2012 6:38 PM  

What's infuriating is listening to older Republicans who think that the country's demographics are the same as they were in 1988 or 1992.

I think their generational obsolescence blinds them to these new realities. They can't see that America is no longer the America they grew up with...
-Kel


I've been politely trying to update them whenever possible, but it takes a shock to really drive it home. If last night didn't do the trick, nothing will.

Anonymous Feh November 07, 2012 6:44 PM  

People who said the economy was the most important thing went for Bambi by four points? You gotta be shitting me. Either that poll is bullshit, or people are more deluded than I thought. Or both.

Anonymous Boetain November 07, 2012 6:46 PM  

So you were right about the growth of the hispanic vote making repuke presidential candidates not viable. However, instead of them turning Texas blue (that will still take decades) they have succesfully tipped several swing states to the dumbos. Very problematic for repukes...

Anonymous Feh November 07, 2012 6:48 PM  

I just hope the system collapses violently enough that there's hope enough for a better restoration at some point.

Yeah, right. You are as deluded as the older Republicans you despise. If you survive the chaos, some NAM warlord will put you up against the wall.

I was dumb enough to participate in this process this time.

There wasn't anything dumb about it. This was not an unwinnable election. Next one might well be, but this one wasn't.

Anonymous LES November 07, 2012 6:53 PM  

The Democratic party is the home of ethnocentric racial groups and guilt-ridden Whites. The Republican party is seen as the home of ethnocentric Whites. A house divided against itself cannot stand, Mark 3:25. Cui bono?

Anonymous Anonymous November 07, 2012 6:55 PM  

How I read this chart:

Democrat: "Im black or female, I want somebody else to pay for my health care"

Republican: "Im white and I care that we're spending money we dont have"

Anonymous oregon mouse November 07, 2012 6:56 PM  

It doesn't help much that the GOP establishment from the national level on down to the local precincts has down everything in its power to alienate libertarian voters. Libertarians, typically being the college crowd, could re-energize the Republican party. Of course this would mean diverging from the democrat party and they can't afford to offer any real alternative to the pro-war, pro-banker, welfare state.

Anonymous Kel November 07, 2012 6:56 PM  

"Yeah, right. You are as deluded as the older Republicans you despise. If you survive the chaos, some NAM warlord will put you up against the wall."

Maybe. But the best hope for meaningful change is a violent crash. This system cannot go on forever, and therefore it will crash at some point. The only way to make the restoration better is if the crash deals with the causes of the failure, which means forcefully destroying feminism and minority protectionism.

Anonymous JartStar November 07, 2012 6:57 PM  

Hearing the conservative radio pundits melt down today was almost as funny it would have been to watch the liberal TV talking heads have a stroke. The rationalizations of why Romney lost given by the Dittohead crowd on the radio was incredible.

Rank and file GOP do not realize what just happened. The party leadership might so I expect a serious power struggle in the GOP over the next decade and they lose no matter what. Outcome: A) the GOP becomes Democrat lite and supports abortion, homogamy, and continuted social programs in a slightly different way B) they become a tiny party of constitutionalists with no power and are labeled "extremists" by nearly everyone.

Anonymous Crude November 07, 2012 7:04 PM  

The party leadership might so I expect a serious power struggle in the GOP over the next decade and they lose no matter what. Outcome: A) the GOP becomes Democrat lite and supports abortion, homogamy, and continuted social programs in a slightly different way B) they become a tiny party of constitutionalists with no power and are labeled "extremists" by nearly everyone.

I think there's always more options than just two, when it comes to politics.

What I really wonder is whether it's possible to do socialism differently than the Democrats. I mean, literally: is there a particular socialist path that would, in some meaningful way, differ drastically from the Democratic vision?

Anonymous OCS November 07, 2012 7:04 PM  

And yet there still are some neocon asians that I know. I'm not one of them though. I'm libertarian...but then again, I refuse to vote what with all the silliness. I wonder if it's strange to grasp American values whilst growing up in the island nation of Hawaii?

Anonymous Roundtine November 07, 2012 7:16 PM  

Outcome: A) the GOP becomes Democrat lite and supports abortion, homogamy, and continuted social programs in a slightly different way B) they become a tiny party of constitutionalists with no power and are labeled "extremists" by nearly everyone.

A is impossible. B is very possible. However, 45% of the electorate isn't "no power." In fact, it would be the most powerful minority group in America. Imagine if conservatives started acting in their self-interest, promoting a foreign policy that was in their interest, promoting economic policies that were blatantly in their self-interest as much as black Americans. Drop the pretense of being for "America" and act as a bloc. People do not respect you if you're not trying to win, and as much as they may hate you, they will respect you if you play to win. Then, it's just a matter of getting 5% of the electorate to realize they can be winners too.

Anonymous The Logical German November 07, 2012 7:21 PM  

The only way some aspect of historical America can be retained is through secession or genocide of minorties, that's it.

Anonymous Salt November 07, 2012 7:23 PM  

Vox, given the economics we're heading into what effect will the rise of the underground economy have?

Some people here say we have a great underground economy. I saw we have no clue.

Anonymous bw November 07, 2012 7:29 PM  

B) they become a tiny party of constitutionalists with no power and are labeled "extremists" by nearly everyone.

Not only is this the way it will go - because the Agenda has required it all along and the masses have been trained and conditioned - it has already been happening for some time. The new normal.

Anonymous TLM November 07, 2012 7:33 PM  

Please stop all the demographic garbage, every radio program and tv pundit is spouting the same nonsense. Romney was/is a rino with no difference between himself and obama. Another crappy choice by the gop. And then the whole mormon thing. This just 4 years after mccain. Whitey decided to sit this one out as there was no real choice.

Anonymous Anonymous November 07, 2012 7:37 PM  

Kel
What's infuriating is listening to older Republicans who think that the country's demographics are the same as they were in 1988 or 1992.

Or 1980. I lost track of the number of smug Republicans who have been planning for victory over Jimmy Carter for the last 3 years. Pointing out to them that a sizeable chunk of the Reagan Democrats are either dead or living in a retirement home went right over their heads.

Here's something I should have used, but didn't:
the number 32 million. That's how many people have moved into this country from the rest of the world since the 1980 election, and most of them came from 1-party states of some sort. Every year, 1 million people from some other nation and culture, typically 3-rd world, become US citizens ready to vote.

Since the Ted Kennedy "demographic suicide act of 1965), 40,000,000 foreigners have moved into the US and been given the right to vote. It was obvious by 1982 that all of the population growth in the US was due to immigration, that the native born population was at ZPG.

Oh and, just for Mr. Catholic Monarchy: millions of immigrants from Muslim countries have been brought here by Catholic charities, and settled, and put on the road to citizenship. That's how Dearborn became Dearbornistan, in part.

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 7:38 PM  

Here's a suggestion for the GOP...

Embrace liberty and give up it's anti-gay, anti-abortion position. Embrace modernity and give up your cold war mentality. Promote a moderate/right economic policy. Embrace amnesty for illegals then demand border control.

Then...begin winning 50% of the hispanic vote as well as a large number of moderates...and you'll win elections.

It's not brain surgery.

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 7:40 PM  

@Feh "People who said the economy was the most important thing went for Bambi by four points? You gotta be shitting me. Either that poll is bullshit, or people are more deluded than I thought. Or both."

They were not offered an alternative to Obama's economic/tax plan that wasn't a fantasy.

Anonymous Anonymous November 07, 2012 7:41 PM  

Tad
Embrace liberty and give up it's anti-gay, anti-abortion position.

Cool. Dump all over the evangelicals who have been the feet on the ground since the 90's, but don't expect either gays or single women to vote for you.Treat start.

Embrace modernity and give up your cold war mentality. Promote a moderate/right economic policy.

What does this mean?

Embrace amnesty for illegals then demand border control.

Already tried in 1986. The only effect? Increased number of Democratic voters.

Then...begin winning 50% of the hispanic vote as well as a large number of moderates...and you'll win elections.

Why would aping the Democrats have this effect, when the Democrats offer all of the above and free cell phones, too?

Anonymous Tom O. November 07, 2012 7:47 PM  

It's not brain surgery.

It's brain surgery with prions.

Anonymous Cinco November 07, 2012 7:50 PM  

I dunno, I see real opportunity here at the state level. GOP apathy means libertarians can really make inroads into the party at the local and state levels.

I can back this up with good news too. There is something to smile about today.

www.dailycaller.com/2012/11/07/ron-paul-republicans-win-house-races/#ixzz2BXhPEzJM

Anonymous Tom O. November 07, 2012 7:50 PM  

Also, we should listen to Ted because as a liberal atheist he has the GOP's best interests at heart.

Anonymous Anonymous November 07, 2012 7:50 PM  

And where would they learn to appreciate it in modern America? The public schools? At university?

That is the key question. They certainly aren't going to learn it listening to Faux News or Rush Limpbutt,(did you hear his whining today, what a f-ing baby).

Since most of the products of the government indoctrination centers can't read, there's little chance they will ever pick up a book and learn anything.

Video or documentary is out, because the newest superhero movie or the Fifty Shades of Gray movie is much sexier than actually learning something.

And then there is the average American male who can only put down his beer long enough to change channels to the next (insert favorite sport here) game on the idiot box.

it's hopeless.


farmer Tom

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 7:50 PM  

@anonymous

The mistake is thinking hispanics will be a long term Dem constituency. Very quickly we are going to see large numbers of hispanics entering the middle class, that will force new political views.

Second, the evangelicals are killing you. Embrace abortion in first trimester. The rest of the country is becoming less religious and accepting of gay marriage. Opposing gay marriage in ten years will be the equivalent of opposing inter-racial marriage. Who is going to vote for that kind of rube?

Moderate/Right Economics? Embrace Clinton era tax rates and demand entitlement reform and spending cuts.

It's not brain surgery. The GOP needs to own the middle to win.

Anonymous Anonymous November 07, 2012 7:53 PM  

If you think there are no differences between President Choom gang of the Frank Marshall Davis school of thought, despising his country along with his Farsi handler Valerie Jarrett, and a devout family man with extensive financial knowledge and a love of his country, you have to be a deluded moron. Could Romney have stopped the inexorable slide to third world status? No, but we wouldn't have to worry about amnesty by executive order, impending bankruptcy, and God knows what else, perhaps an attempt to impose Chicago style gun rules. There would have at least been a genuine attempt to balance the budget, repeal this monstrous ACA and give us a brief respite from the slide into the abyss. Now we've doubled our speed. Nice going.

Anonymous zen0 November 07, 2012 7:53 PM  

I suspect Asians could probably be swung in a more conservative direction. Steve Sailer's catchphrase is "Asians are more conservative than their neighbors, but they have liberal neighbors." This might change as the left's ethnic coalition gets skewed more and more toward traditionally-"good"-minority-hostile NAMs.

Sailer is correct. Most of the Asian population in America is concentrated in cities in the Blue States. They are mostly concerned with doing business, not ideologies. In order to do business, you curry favor with people in power, whomever they may be.

Of course, why immigrants from cultures with zero tradition of limited government would ever be expected to respect the concept has never been explained to my satisfaction. VD

And if they did, why would they vote Republican? They are usually too astute to be conned by flim-flam.

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 7:53 PM  

@TomO "Also, we should listen to Ted because as a liberal atheist he has the GOP's best interests at heart."

That's Gay Liberal Atheist to you!

And you'll listen to me only if you have a desire to see Liberty and America strengthened.

Anonymous The OASF November 07, 2012 7:56 PM  

I would like to congratulate myself as one of the few here in VD land who can actually add and subtract and called it left from the beginning, no pun intended. Keep in mind that I voted with my conscience and stayed home on election day and have no political affiliation or preferences whatsoever. But...

I would further like to pleasure myself in the satisfaction of coming up with the slogan "The GOP is DOA." As the Bohemian Club Sodomite Affiliates/The Party of Mean - Crush the Filthy Poor Welfare Bums and the Stupid So-Called Flood Victims/"We're All Anti-South Ossetians Now!" (aka the GOP) has taken one giant leap towards complete annihilation. Selah. Selah.

That Romney would be defeated was a mathematical lock from the moment he accepted the nomination. The electoral map, minus the "toss-ups" that realists knew he could not win, never concretely favored Romney for one nano-second during yet another failed campaign.

That leaves us with the few notes of interest from the latest circus that I, for the most part, completely ignored.

1.) That Obama did so poorly in that infamous debate, just when it looked as though he could put it away, was suspect. George W. Bush appeared to tank an opening round debate against John Kerry just when it looked like GWB was ready to actually notch slightly ahead in the polling margin of error. Coincidence? There is certainly a huge benefit for the powers that be to keep the races a dead-heat... that it geometrically increases their ability to sabotage a political race and get away with stealing it being chief among them.

2.) Hurricane whoever did not defeat Romney and the GOP. Nor did liberal media bias. And Christianity was not stricken a death blow in America because a false-christian occultist did not make it to the Cherry throne. The GOP is dead because it has become exactly what I called it above. The remainder of what used to be the GOP are called either "Independents" or, by government definition, "terrorists." End of subject. Heck, can't even blame this one on Obama sabotaging those infamous diebold voting machines, for, when you win 49.99 percent of the vote by default - is there really a point in trying to rig the outcome?

3.) One thing that I truly regret about the destruction of the GOP... is that we will never be endlessly entertained again by this crowd with such failed campaigns as FrankenCrazy & PalinPorn in 2008. I mean, could it get any more boring than Obamney?

Oh well... at least still have a few more season of the Walking Dead!

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 8:03 PM  

@the OASF "Oh well... at least still have a few more season of the Walking Dead!"

If politics has taught us anything it is that a vacuum never lasts. So, if the GOP is walking dead, why is there no other replacement waiting in the wings? If the GOP is walking dead (and of course it isn't) who or what would take it's place? The "Tea Party"? Please. Those nincumpoops continue to open their mouths and by doing so convince 30% to vote for them. There's a recipe for nothing.

Anonymous Tom O. November 07, 2012 8:03 PM  

That's Gay Liberal Atheist to you!

That just about sums it up.

``So God let these people go their own way. They did what they wanted to do, and their filthy thoughts made them do shameful things with their bodies. They gave up the truth about God for a lie, and they worshiped God’s creation instead of God, who will be praised forever. Amen." (Romans 1:24-25)

I hope you have a long, long life. Your very existence is evangelism.

And you'll listen to me only if you have a desire to see Liberty and America strengthened.

I fail to understand how the ability to engineer society and create new groups of people by legal fiat constitutes an increase in liberty, but okay.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation (Ben) November 07, 2012 8:04 PM  

I like to see the happy latinos on tv talking about how important the latino voting bloc is.

It was hate whitey day today.

Anonymous me November 07, 2012 8:06 PM  

"The only way some aspect of historical America can be retained is through secession or genocide of minorties, that's it."

There's expulsion as a third option. And if you have succession, you're going to have some form of expulsion, too, since there are no racially/ethnically homogenous regions in the USA anymore. A succession of a state or region with the same exact demographic problems as the rest of the country isn't a solution to the problem.

"What I really wonder is whether it's possible to do socialism differently than the Democrats. I mean, literally: is there a particular socialist path that would, in some meaningful way, differ drastically from the Democratic vision?"

Sure. National Socialism. It of course depends on what you mean by "meaningful". A national socialism for traditional white Americans would be radically different from the present system, in that it would be a system for promoting and defending white Americans while discouraging and punishing anti-whites. But it wouldn't resemble anything like the traditional white America that existed pre-1965, let alone pre-1933 or pre-1861.

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 8:10 PM  

@TomO "I fail to understand how the ability to engineer society and create new groups of people by legal fiat constitutes an increase in liberty, but okay."

You can't create new groups of people. You can only create new categories to put existing people within.

Nor is there any engineering going on.

As for me, I'm no more an evangelist than the folks who seek to live a good, happy, productive life.

Anonymous Puddin November 07, 2012 8:11 PM  

zen0...And if they did, why would they vote Republican? They are usually too astute to be conned by flim-flam.

Naw: theyre(Asians) just tired of working and producing and want to join Blacks, and the 'hard working' illegal aliens on the gravy train. We know that Asians are smart, unlike the afore mentioned counter parts. But they can be bribed with a life of ease, and free government benefits. So its simple human depravity and greed that put the Criminal back in office.

In another 10 years in America, American Asians will be lumped together in the same 'sit on the couch, pop out a kid and get a check mentality' as the American African. Wont that be a sight??

Anonymous zen0 November 07, 2012 8:15 PM  

After studying the chart Vox provided, I can only conclude that the only thing that will save America is a large migration into the country of married white people over 45.

That can't be so hard now, can it?

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 8:16 PM  

@Puddin "In another 10 years in America, American Asians will be lumped together in the same 'sit on the couch, pop out a kid and get a check mentality' as the American African."

85.7% of African Americans work and have jobs.

So, let's not spread lies and suggest that unemployment is some sort of cultural thing that African Americans embrace.

Anonymous The OASF November 07, 2012 8:17 PM  

There is no vacuum Tad, and there has not been one for quite some time. The two party system is an illusion. You apparently think that it has some kind of viability.

I mean you do realize that the GOP has not won a legitimate Presidential election since 1988? GWB lost in 2000 - that fact is not even disputed and in 2004 Ohio was clearly stolen for the GOP; a fact which is just about as accepted as Hitler and the Reichstag Fires.

A party that will never control the Senate or the Presidency again and will eventually be redistricted out of the House of Representatives... is not a National Party. It is a party propped up by FoxNews Propaganda and die-bold voting machines to maintain the illusion of the two-party system. Once it is no longer viable as a prop, then it will give way to an official one-party dictatorial system, which we essentially have now anyway.

The cruddy veneer will just be gone.

Anonymous Godfrey November 07, 2012 8:17 PM  

Let's face it, George W. "The Moron" Bush and Karl "The Asshole" Rove destroyed the Republican Party. The Asshole actually thought that promoting WAR with Persia, combined with the purging the libertarians, was a winning strategy.

My prediction:

The Neo-Con establishment will blame the conservative base. They will state that the Republican Party must move further to the left on social issues. They will say NOTHING about the WAR(S) or civil liberties. The WAR(S), along with protecting the fiat currency funding mechanism, is really their only concern.

Too bad the Libertarian Party is in such a pathetic state. There is now a political vacuum.

Anonymous Idle Spectator Jackson November 07, 2012 8:20 PM  

he gunna pay my morgage now.

yeah! obamaass taking it back from the krackas! its paybak punk ass bitchessss

moeny money moneyyyyy!

Anonymous Tom O. November 07, 2012 8:25 PM  

You can't create new groups of people. You can only create new categories to put existing people within.

Fine. I fail to understand how the ability to engineer society and create new categories of people by legal fiat constitutes an increase in liberty, but okay.

Nor is there any engineering going on.

The very fact that sodomites are considered to be a new category of people who are oppressed and victimized, just like black people, even though it's impossible to be a sodomite without sodomy. If it were possible, then people who hate sodomy would not necessarily hate sodomites, contrary to what you and every other gay person believes.

As for me, I'm no more an evangelist than the folks who seek to live a good, happy, productive life.

Read Romans 1. You do not reject God because you're gay. Nor is your gayness independent from your atheism. You are gay because you reject God.

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 8:31 PM  

@The OASF "A party that will never control the Senate or the Presidency again"

That's crazy talk of someone that doesn't take politics in Amerida seriously. The GOP could have easily won the senate. They could have easily won VA, MO, IN ND. Hell MO and IN was in the bag had the GOP not nominated Tea Party dolts. Do the math and figure out where the Senate would sit if those four states went to the GOP.

And of course the 2 party system is not an illusion. The two party system produced nothing more than a 2 percentage point difference in the national vote. Furthermore, the GOP could have easily won the General Election. Flip 4 VERY close states and you've got it.

Don't talk so silly.

Anonymous Anonymous November 07, 2012 8:38 PM  

Tad
The mistake is thinking hispanics will be a long term Dem constituency. Very quickly we are going to see large numbers of hispanics entering the middle class, that will force new political views.

Is that what is happening along the Rio Grande from El Paso to Brownsville? Is that what is happening California? As long as the chain migration from Mexico and Central America continues, there is always a push to the left. There are individual Mexican and Salvadorian immigrants I know who have become more conservative, but they are few, and they are outnumbered by the many who continue to enter the country legally and illegally.

As long as the border is effectively open, Hispanics will vote Democrat.

Second, the evangelicals are killing you.

I'm not a Republican, by the way, so the Evangeicals are not "killing" me. Or anyone else, for that matter.

Embrace abortion in first trimester.

You obviously are unfamiliar with US law, or what Row v. Wade actually says. Please learn something about the topic before further display of ignorance.

The rest of the country is becoming less religious and accepting of gay marriage. Opposing gay marriage in ten years will be the equivalent of opposing inter-racial marriage. Who is going to vote for that kind of rube?

Then the GOP will have to wait for the evangelicals to change, because throwing them out of the party is a sure way to lose elections at the State level.

Moderate/Right Economics? Embrace Clinton era tax rates and demand entitlement reform and spending cuts.

It is far too late for that. Tax rates are going up next year, without a doubt, which ought to drive the US economy right back into a recession. The Clinton era entitlement reform was completely undone by Obama's "stimulus" package, and there is now no serious constituency in the Democrats to put work requirements or any other limits on welfare back in place. There will be spending cuts, but not on the main items of the budget, because Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and EBT are sacrosanct. They also add up to about 60% of the total budget. So look for cuts in the military, and no where else. That won't even come close to balancing the budget, so look for the deficit to continue to increase.

Sometime between 2016 and 2020 the US will no longer be able to service its debt. At that time either debt repudiation, i.e. default, or hyperinflation will be the two choices. It is too late now for anything else.

It's not brain surgery. The GOP needs to own the middle to win.

It's not rocket science. The Democrats have put together a coalition that the GOP has little hope of breaking in to - single women especially single mothers who are "married" to the state, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and so forth.

The race-based government is here, we just don't know how far reaching that change will be. Welcome to the one-party state.

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 8:38 PM  

@TomO "Fine. I fail to understand how the ability to engineer society and create new categories of people by legal fiat constitutes an increase in liberty, but okay."

It doesn't. What creates more liberty is giving more people the ability to pursue happiness, rather than have that happiness stifled for the sake of bigotry.


The very fact that sodomites are considered to be a new category of people who are oppressed and victimized, just like black people, even though it's impossible to be a sodomite without sodomy...

Gays were always considered a category of people. And they were always understood to be victims and to be oppressed, but few people cared and most people agree that they should be oppressed and victimized. The difference, my friend, is that today far, far fewer people agree with the desire to victimize and oppress gays. It's sort of like how over time fewer and fewer people agreed it was good to victimize blacks.

And in case anyone missed it, last night was a watershed for liberty in America with the voters in MD, ME, MN and WA siding with more liberty for Gays.

Anonymous Anonymous November 07, 2012 8:42 PM  

Tad
If politics has taught us anything it is that a vacuum never lasts. So, if the GOP is walking dead, why is there no other replacement waiting in the wings?

Because this is now a one-party state.

Anonymous The One November 07, 2012 8:44 PM  

I will say that here in NH which is THE libertarian stronghold of America, it went down very simply. Me and all the 20 yr old friends said the GOP screwed Romney, now we are going to screw the GOP. I doubt they would still be counting ballots in FL either if Romney had actually been respectful and welcoming.

Anonymous The One November 07, 2012 8:45 PM  

GOP screwed RP I meant to say.

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 8:46 PM  

@anonymous You obviously are unfamiliar with US law, or what Row v. Wade actually says. Please learn something about the topic before further display of ignorance.

Of course I understand American law and Roe V. Wade and furthermore you know I do and you know I was responding to the GOP that rejects any and all abortion, not to what is currently the law in the U.S.

It is far too late for that.
Crap. Even with the stimulus, if you remove the Bush Tax Cuts, if the economy grows at an average of 3.2% on average fo the next 5 years and if you don't start any wars in that time, things start to look very doable economically. Do the math. Now is the best time in history for the government to borrow money.

And Tax increases do NOT drive down the economy into recession. They could if they were huge increases but no one is suggesting such a thing.

Finally, the smart money today is betting on continued economic growth. The best place to look now is the housing market, which is critical to an improving economy.

Anonymous The One November 07, 2012 8:50 PM  

85.7% of African Americans work and have jobs.

~TAD

Can I get a link on that stat and stats for the other races if you have them? Also is this stat based on the number people in the "looking for work" category vs getting kicked off the roles to make the unemployment rate look better.

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 8:56 PM  

@The One

African American unemployment is 14.3%. And it's in a downward trend.

The point of course is that the view that AFrican Americans somehow embrace unemployment makes not sense and is fantasy.

Anonymous Anonymous November 07, 2012 9:01 PM  

Tad
@anonymous You obviously are unfamiliar with US law, or what Row v. Wade actually says. Please learn something about the topic before further display of ignorance.

Of course I understand American law and Roe V. Wade and furthermore you know I do and you know I was responding to the GOP that rejects any and all abortion, not to what is currently the law in the U.S.

It doesn't matter what the GOP is willing to accept in terms of abortion, because anything short of "abortion on demand, at any time up to and including delivery" won't be enough for the single-mother constituency. No matter what the GOP decides to accept, the Democrats can always outbid them in terms of "supporting choice". And if the GOP takes the exact same position as the Democrats, then they are just playing "me, too" which has never peeled off any significant number of voters.


Therefore your comment is pretty much a non sequitur.


It is far too late for that.

Tad
Crap.


My, such a deep thinker. Krugmanesque...

Even with the stimulus, if you remove the Bush Tax Cuts, if the economy grows at an average of 3.2% on average fo the next 5 years and if you don't start any wars in that time, things start to look very doable economically.

But the economy is not going to grow at 3.2% any time soon, for the same reasons it has not grown at 3.2% for the last four years. So your "if" is meaningless.

Do the math. Now is the best time in history for the government to borrow money.

Only because the government increasingly is borrowing money from itself. The Chinese have been quietly selling off US treasuries for a while. They aren't as stupid as American liberals think they are.

And Tax increases do NOT drive down the economy into recession. They could if they were huge increases but no one is suggesting such a thing.

The tax increases that are going to happen next year are huge. They will kill dividends, tanking equities and probably creating a bubble in muni bonds - if a retired person is going to only get 2%, it better be tax free. You call it "removing the Bush tax cuts", I call it a tax increase, the effects will be the same.

Just watch, and see if I am correct or not.

Finally, the smart money today is betting on continued economic growth. The best place to look now is the housing market, which is critical to an improving economy.

The economic "growth" is not real. It is taking place due to the Fed holding interest rates effectively below zero. Small cap and mid sized companies in the 500 to 1000 employee range are losing money this year, and will lose more next year. Really small businesses will have to become totally family run, with no employees. Only the big companies, multinationals, will be able to survive.

In a few years, employment in the US will either be in a family company along the lines of a street vendor or small store, at a government job, or with a big corporation. As in Mussolini's Italy, the economy will then be much easier to control.

Oh, and housing is a bogus metric for economic activity. Rove and Bush made that same mistake. Because it doesn't actually produce anything of value, housing is actually a form of consumption. No nation ever consumed its way to prosperity. Not 16th-17th century Spain, not 18th century France, and not the 21st century US.

Anonymous The One November 07, 2012 9:03 PM  

African American unemployment is 14.3%. And it's in a downward trend.

The point of course is that the view that AFrican Americans somehow embrace unemployment makes not sense and is fantasy.

~The One

You repeated yourself needlessly.I am asking if you have a link for this statistic about African American unemployment, I want to look at the numbers myself. So do you or don't you?

Anonymous Aeoli Pera November 07, 2012 9:04 PM  

Tad,

What's their employment/population ratio? It's around 55% for the general population (I'll look it up).

Anonymous Aeoli Pera November 07, 2012 9:12 PM  

58.8% in October.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera November 07, 2012 9:13 PM  

Check out that link. The drop in August and September was really spectacular.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera November 07, 2012 9:15 PM  

Anonymous,

You need to pick a name, per the rules of the blog. Just select "Name/URL" in the dropdown field (you can skip the URL).

Even Anonymous1 would be acceptable, it just has to be reasonably consistent.

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 9:21 PM  

@Anonumous
It doesn't matter what the GOP is willing to accept in terms of abortion, because anything short of "abortion on demand, at any time up to and including delivery" won't be enough for the single-mother constituency.

Roughly 13% or 10 million mothers are single. This group is not going to decide abortion policy in America. Abortion allowed up to the first 16 weeks would satisfy 75% of the folks in America.

But the economy is not going to grow at 3.2% any time soon, for the same reasons it has not grown at 3.2% for the last four years. So your "if" is meaningless.

Of course it will. And the reasons for the past 4 years are quickly receding. Housing market is getting much better. Economic growth is gaining speed. Construction is up.

You call it "removing the Bush tax cuts", I call it a tax increase, the effects will be the same.
And yet America has seen extraordinary growth during the past 20 years with taxes at exactly the same rate as the Pre-Bush cuts.






Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 9:22 PM  

@The One
You repeated yourself needlessly.I am asking if you have a link for this statistic about African American unemployment, I want to look at the numbers myself. So do you or don't you?

Just google "African American Unemployment rate".

Anonymous Tom O. November 07, 2012 9:27 PM  

Gays were always considered a category of people.

No they weren't. The idea of gay people being a separate category of people in a similar manner to Black people didn't start until the 18th century.

Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17146141

It's sort of like how over time fewer and fewer people agreed it was good to victimize blacks.

This is misleading because it gives the impression that, over time, anti-Black sentiment universally decreased. This, actually, is false. Anti-Black sentiment in Germany went from ambivalence to active genocide.

Rapid urbanisation with its associated social problems in the cities led to the development of nationalistic groups such as the Pan Germanic League calling for Lebensraum—living space, a theory developed by Friedrich Ratzel in his book Politische Geographie in 1897. Their plan was accomplished by the deliberate genocide of the Herero and Nama people, justified by the Theory of Evolution via Natural Selection, and would play an important part in the Holocaust.

Source: The Kaiser’s Holocaust: Germany’s Forgotten Genocide and the Colonial Roots of Nazism by David Olusoga and Casper W. Erichsen
Faber and Faber Ltd. London, 2010

Anonymous The One November 07, 2012 9:30 PM  

Tad, do you actually want to convince/educate people of your position or do you want to only hear yourself type? You come to a blog as a new commenter and throw out some numbers. Then someone asks you to provide a link and you respond by restating your original numbers in a different way. Then you are asked again and you tell the person to go google it? Good luck with that.

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 9:31 PM  

@tom o

Of course gays were considered a category of people. How else could you pass laws that outlawed the activity of gays??

Don't be ridiculous.

And it's not misleading to say that fewer people accept the victimization of gays or of blacks in America. In fact, its blatantly true.

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 9:35 PM  

@The One

Had I offered some sort of obscure statistic that was unknown or hard to find, then I'd happily take the time to offer a link. But African American Unemployment? It's not obscure. It's easy to find. And why ask for a link unless you want to challenge the figure? Why would I make up a figure about black unemployment with it is so easily found.

But here...

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/11/03/1129721/african-american-unemployment-crisis/?mobile=nc

Happy?

Anonymous Anonymous November 07, 2012 9:39 PM  

@Anonumous
Me
It doesn't matter what the GOP is willing to accept in terms of abortion, because anything short of "abortion on demand, at any time up to and including delivery" won't be enough for the single-mother constituency.

Roughly 13% or 10 million mothers are single.

Cite?

In any event, the trend is not toward marriage, it is towards single mothers. This year, 40.8% of births were to unmarried women. And here is my source:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/unmarry.htm


This group is not going to decide abortion policy in America. Abortion allowed up to the first 16 weeks would satisfy 75% of the folks in America.

Maybe, maybe not. You assert this, what evidence do you have?

Me
But the economy is not going to grow at 3.2% any time soon, for the same reasons it has not grown at 3.2% for the last four years. So your "if" is meaningless.

Of course it will. And the reasons for the past 4 years are quickly receding. Housing market is getting much better. Economic growth is gaining speed. Construction is up.

The housing market is getting less bad. But housing is consumption, not production. Economic growth is essentially flat, if you bother to look at the numbers, and how much of the construction is just make work, such as Japan tried for years? You'll have to do better than this.

Me
You call it "removing the Bush tax cuts", I call it a tax increase, the effects will be the same.

And yet America has seen extraordinary growth during the past 20 years with taxes at exactly the same rate as the Pre-Bush cuts.

The past 20 years were the peak earning years for the baby boomers. Now they are retiring, and pension systems won't be keeping up; those pension systems amount to a huge debt service, along with service of a lot of other debt. One of the largest items in the Federal budget is debt service, and it will be getting bigger monotonically.

The reason for the economic crisis is debt, and it is not going away, no matter how much people may wish it so. Much of the stimulus was wasted on crony capitalism, handouts and bailouts - several States used their "stimulus" to fund Medicaid for a year or so, and now that's done.

So to recap, Tad: the GOP can't win votes from the growing single mother cohort by pandering on abortion, because the Democrats can always come up with a better offer. The GOP can't win votes from blacks at all. The GOP may win votes from Hispanics, but at the price of continued immigration that further changes the demographics against the GOP.

This election tells me the US is now a one-party state, at the national level. When the US eventually defaults, or goes to hyperinflation, it will do so as a corporatist state more like Venezeula or Peron's Argentina than anything that exists now.

Enjoy the decline.

PS: No matter what I put in the Name/URL field, Blogger informs me URL must contain a host name. If I leave the field blank, the posting does not go through. So I don't know what to do.

Signed, Borderine Anonymous

Anonymous 11B November 07, 2012 9:39 PM  

So you were right about the growth of the hispanic vote making repuke presidential candidates not viable. However, instead of them turning Texas blue (that will still take decades) they have succesfully tipped several swing states to the dumbos. Very problematic for repukes..

That is something that is extremely irritating. We are now having to fight for states that used to be solid locks, while the democrats' blue bases are getting bluer. California, New York, Massachusetts, etc. are just as blue as they have been for the past few cycles. But many of our areas like OH,VA,FL and NC are being fought over tooth and nail.

Steve Sailer had a piece about minorities moving from blue states to low tax, high growth red states because of the better economic climate, resulting in more democrat voters in those states.

In addition, the very SWPLs who screwed up CA and MA are streaming into WA, AZ, ME, VT, etc. and turning most of them blue. There was a time when ME, VT, NH were reliably republican. But those idiots who created Taxachussetts fled and seem to be recreating the very place they tried to escape.

Add to this the millions of migrants and refugees that come into the USA every year and it seems like the red states are under demographic assault while the blue states remain as they are.

Anonymous Tom O. November 07, 2012 9:47 PM  

Of course gays were considered a category of people. How else could you pass laws that outlawed the activity of gays??

Outlawing the activity != outlawing gays.

And it's not misleading to say that fewer people accept the victimization of gays or of blacks in America. In fact, its blatantly true.

You didn't say that. You said that "over time fewer and fewer people agreed it was good to victimize blacks." This is misleading because it implies the decrease was monotonic.

Anonymous The OASF November 07, 2012 9:50 PM  

"They could have easily won VA, MO, IN ND. Hell MO and IN was in the bag had the GOP not nominated Tea Party dolts. Do the math and figure out where the Senate would sit if those four states went to the GOP."

Well you are right Tard, I mean Tad... I mean hell if only we could bring Regan back from the dead, tan his ass real good with that spray-on crap and re-brand him as Rolando Rodriguez... California would be in play again too!!!! F*ck the final math and trends... what was I thinking????

Blogger Beefy Levinson November 07, 2012 9:50 PM  

I'm astonished; mainstream right liberals like Hannity and Coulter are wondering aloud if Pat Buchanan was correct all along. Coulter even mentioned Peter Brimelow's Alien Nation in a radio interview with Dennis Miller.

I don't expect anything to come of it in the long term though. Republicans occasionally stumble over the truth, but they always get up and drive on like nothing happened.

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 9:56 PM  

@Tom O You didn't say that. You said that "over time fewer and fewer people agreed it was good to victimize blacks." This is misleading because it implies the decrease was monotonic.

You don't thing that over time in the U.S. fewer and fewer people agreed with victimizing blacks and gays??? Was it always a straight line? Perhaps not. But you are being pedantic in order to not cede the obvious fact.

Anonymous Heretofore Anonymous November 07, 2012 9:57 PM  

Interesting look at the aging demographic. Do US voters get more Republican as they get older, or does a generational cohort tend to remain politically consistent as it ages?

If the former, then the aging of America (projection of 20 percent of Americans being over age 65 in 2030, compared with about 13 percent in 2010) will bode very well for the Republican party in the coming decades. All the GOP would really need to do is wait it out, and make sure that the trend towards longer life continues.

If the latter, then the Democratic cohort will continue to age and live longer, and the Republican base will die off, putting the GOP in real trouble. Under this scenario, the GOP needs to throw its lot in with the next generation of young voters to stay viable. (Emphasizing long-term fiscal responsibility could be a good hook, if said young voters are awake and sober; after all, that's the generation that will truly take it on the chin.)

So, which is the correct interpretation of the age data, and therefore the better strategy?

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 9:58 PM  

@The OAF

You mean "REAGAN", right? Just like a loser to mock someone then make a mockery of themselves.

Blogger R. Bradley Andrews November 07, 2012 10:00 PM  

11B,

" But those idiots who created Taxachussetts fled and seem to be recreating the very place they tried to escape."

But it wasn't their policies that made those places bad to live in....

Tad,

Yeah, favoring murdering children is a good platform for the future. Kill the next generation! That will lead us to prosperity!

And I though we were supposed to keep our nose out of people's bedrooms. How can we do that when their bedroom is increasingly shoved in our face?

What can't continue, won't.

========

One thing I noticed was that the stupid statements of "radical conservatives" get parading about the media while the idiotic ones of the left, including the VP, get ignored. That bias swings the idiot "swing voter" far too much. It is a reality, which is why we are headed for a wall, but that doesn't make it right.

Don't force me to support your "choices" and don't kill others, overseas or in the US.

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 10:02 PM  

@heretofore anonomous
So, which is the correct interpretation of the age data, and therefore the better strategy?


I think it's a little of both. In my experience folks become more economically conservative as they age. However, on social issues, I think those stick throughout their life. A 28 year old in favor of gay marriage now isn't going to be against it when they are 60. However, when they are 60 they may better understand the limits of their earning years and apply that lesson to economics.

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 10:04 PM  

@Andrews
Yeah, favoring murdering children is a good platform for the future. Kill the next generation! That will lead us to prosperity!

The next generation has never been in jeopardy of being killed. And, the bedroom has always been shoved in our face. It's just that it's always been a heterosexual bedroom.

Get over it. Embrace liberty.

Anonymous zen0 November 07, 2012 10:09 PM  

Had I offered some sort of obscure statistic that was unknown or hard to find, then I'd happily take the time to offer a link. But African American Unemployment? It's not obscure. It's easy to find. And why ask for a link unless you want to challenge the figure? Why would I make up a figure about black unemployment with it is so easily found.

How does that compare with other races unemployment?
From what I have seen, black unemployment is more than twice that of caucasian or asian peoples.

Anonymous Tom O. November 07, 2012 10:10 PM  

You don't thing that over time in the U.S. fewer and fewer people agreed with victimizing blacks and gays??? Was it always a straight line? Perhaps not. But you are being pedantic in order to not cede the obvious fact.

Okay then.

If hatred toward Black people in the USA was going down and down, then explain the peak in KKK membership during the 1920s and the rise of lynchings during that time period.

You mean "REAGAN", right? Just like a loser to mock someone then make a mockery of themselves.

You judged me of being pedantic, and yet you mock someone because of a spelling error.

When you meet Jesus Christ, in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. (Matthew 7:2) If you cannot accept that, then don't judge.

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 10:12 PM  

@zeno
From what I have seen, black unemployment is more than twice that of caucasian or asian peoples.

Indeed it is. But 85% employment hardly amounts to a people embracing a desire not to work as was suggested.

What's bothersome is that everyone knows these kinds of racists claims are untrue...and yet I see no one discrediting them. I think it's all about a desire to feel superior where no claim to superiority can be found.

Blogger James Dixon November 07, 2012 10:12 PM  

> 85.7% of African Americans work and have jobs.

That would be incorrect.

According to government statistics, 85.7% of black americans currently in the workforce have jobs.

Those are a lot of qualifiers.

> Can I get a link on that stat

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

> African American unemployment is 14.3%. And it's in a downward trend.

Which merely restates your point above, almost equally incorrectly.

Anonymous zen0 November 07, 2012 10:13 PM  

Tad is an apparently moronic agent of those who do not want you to organize politically. It is so flaming, it is an obvious act. Doen't respond.

Tad, tell your handlers you been busted!

Anonymous Hoss November 07, 2012 10:14 PM  

"And you'll listen to me only if you have a desire to see Liberty and America strengthened" -Tad

It's sad that the left has come to morph the meaning of "liberty" into those crumbs of freedom that daddy government lets them eat off of the floor. America's best days are in the rear-view mirror, and let's make no pretense that Obama or the modern democrat party has any interest in a "strong" America. That's just silly and insulting.

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 10:14 PM  

@Tom O When you meet Jesus Christ, in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. (Matthew 7:2) If you cannot accept that, then don't judge.

Really? You want to suggest that I do something based on a fear being judged by your God? Really?

Try again.

Anonymous zeno November 07, 2012 10:16 PM  

Indeed it is. But 85% employment hardly amounts to a people embracing a desire not to work as was suggested.

In comparison to what? How many have ever or have stopped seeking unemployment? They would not be listed in those stats, sweetie.

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 10:17 PM  

@Zeno Tad is an apparently moronic agent of those who do not want you to organize politically. It is so flaming, it is an obvious act. Doen't respond.

By all means, organize your ass off. It works. Look at rights for gays. Gays and Lesbians organized. Told their story. Worked politically. And voilla. The bigotry and laws that victimized them are disappearing...and by the Vote of the people.

Knock yourself out.

Anonymous Tom O. November 07, 2012 10:17 PM  

Tad, tell your handlers you been busted!

Tad is fun. Just keep throwing facts at him until he realizes that he would be better off participating with like-minded brethren in the religion of government.

Anonymous Anonymous November 07, 2012 10:20 PM  

"I think it's all about a desire to feel superior..."


This from someone telling us what we have to think so as not to be 'rubes.'

Is there any specific trolling subcategory for smug homosexual concern trolls?

Anonymous Tom O. November 07, 2012 10:20 PM  

Really? You want to suggest that I do something based on a fear being judged by your God? Really?

Try again.


Do you see anything at all wrong with judging hypocritically?

Anonymous zen0 November 07, 2012 10:24 PM  

By all means, organize your ass off. It works. Look at rights for gays. Gays and Lesbians organized. Told their story. Worked politically. And voilla. The bigotry and laws that victimized them are disappearing...and by the Vote of the people.

You are correct. The left has taken the field because they earned it through effort and a greased rail. Not through the vote of the people, but through gay judicial shenanigans.

California referendum?

Anonymous Anonymous November 07, 2012 10:24 PM  

"By all means, organize your ass off. It works. Look at rights for gays. Gays and Lesbians organized. Told their story. Worked politically. And voilla. The bigotry and laws that victimized them are disappearing...and by the Vote of the people."

Right, because homosexuals had such a sterling record at the ballot box before yesterday. And the courts haven't helped at all.

Anonymous zen0 November 07, 2012 10:27 PM  

Tad is fun. Just keep throwing facts at him until he realizes that he would be better off participating with like-minded brethren in the religion of government.

Break our hearts Tad, you are not fun. You are a government tool.

Anonymous Gx1080 November 07, 2012 10:27 PM  

Tad, dude. I and everybody here knows that your suggestions that Repubs just have to be "Dems lite" to win are only meant to be gloating insults. So, please, just fuck off.

Anonymous Desiderius November 07, 2012 10:29 PM  

The R's may no longer be interested in Culture War, but Culture War is interested in them.

Wars don't end by one side unilaterally calling a truce. They usually end by the victors riding through the vanquished and claiming their spoil.

Enslaving men, taking women as wives and concubines...

Anonymous JP (real one) November 07, 2012 10:30 PM  

"By all means, organize your ass off. It works. Look at rights for gays. Gays and Lesbians organized. Told their story. Worked politically. And voilla. The bigotry and laws that victimized them are disappearing...and by the Vote of the people.

Knock yourself out."

Vandalism, death threats, trying to bankrupt their opponents through fraudelent means.

Yeah, when you do all this and the MSM promotes your cause and covers for you, it ain't too hard.

Anonymous Godfrey November 07, 2012 10:38 PM  

Homosexuality is promoted by the establishment because the elites want to reduce population levels. That's the ONLY reason it is now considered "normal". What the elites want, the elites get.

Anonymous George November 07, 2012 10:39 PM  

@zeno
You are correct. The left has taken the field because they earned it through effort and a greased rail. Not through the vote of the people, but through gay judicial shenanigans.

Hey, it takes time and you have to fight with what you got. But what happened yesterday in MD, ME, MN and WA, though the "vote of the people" is just the beginning.

Get on board and support liberty.

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 10:41 PM  

@GX
Tad, dude. I and everybody here knows that your suggestions that Repubs just have to be "Dems lite" to win are only meant to be gloating insults. So, please, just fuck off.

The GOP keeps beating its head against a disappearing wall, hoping it will reappear in the guise of 1950. Those bigoted days are over.

Oh, and fuck off.

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 10:43 PM  

@Desiderious
Wars don't end by one side unilaterally calling a truce. They usually end by the victors riding through the vanquished and claiming their spoil.

That's true. And last night the claiming of spoils occurred in MN, ME, MD and WA.

Anonymous Nihilus November 07, 2012 10:43 PM  

Lol at people that think Obama supports gays. Is that why he supports Islamist governments in the middle east that torture and murder them as required by Islamic law?


Anonymous Godfrey November 07, 2012 10:44 PM  

Population reduction is also the reason abortion was forced on the masses. And it is the reason the elites are in the process of taking control of the health system and why contraception is being forced on the RCC.

We're being managed like livestock.

Anonymous Tad November 07, 2012 10:45 PM  

@JP
Yeah, when you do all this and the MSM promotes your cause and covers for you, it ain't too hard.

I don't know what MSM means anymore when the WSJ is owned by the same company that owns Fox News and Disney owns ABC. What I do know is that the forces of liberty are winning the argument when it comes to gay rights. Let me translate that for you: Bigots are losing the argument.

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, Psephologist November 07, 2012 10:45 PM  

May I suggest an alternate strategy to pandering for votes? They say one of the real problems is caucasians do not vote as bloc.

But what if they started too? What if they stopped feeling guilty about inflicting slavery, Jim Crow, microwavable meals, and Madonna on the world? Can you imagine... what would happen?

Remember, it only took 300 Spaniards operating as a bloc to take the Aztec capital of Tenochtitlan of 300,000.

There wouldn't be a damn thing they could do about it, either.

Anonymous zen0 November 07, 2012 10:46 PM  

Oh, and fuck off.

Tad, if you are going full drama queen, you need better lines and more enthusiasm in the delivery.

Don't be lame, now. You are letting down your team.

Anonymous Idle Spectator November 07, 2012 10:51 PM  

You are letting down your team.

The gAy-Team.

Anonymous MPC November 07, 2012 10:58 PM  

I'm all for gays gaining more acceptance by the prevailing culture. The more exposure they get, the more stuff like this bubbles up to the surface:

http://mypostingcareer.com/forums/topic/656-grinder-thread-nsfw-duh-fag-sex-app/
http://mypostingcareer.com/forums/topic/4994-gay-social-worker-with-gay-clientele-kills-himself/
http://www.news24.com/SciTech/Black-gay-males-in-US-worst-hit-by-Aids-20120718-2
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2012/08/6065/

And that doesn't even cover "Bugchasing." Not that I'm expecting any great social upheaval, it will just be funny to see a news anchor sit there with a straight (lol) face and tell you that this guy running around trying to get HIV is perfectly normal and we should accept his behavior without question.

Anonymous Idle Spectator November 07, 2012 11:04 PM  

And that doesn't even cover "Bugchasing." Not that I'm expecting any great social upheaval, it will just be funny to see a news anchor sit there with a straight (lol) face and tell you that this guy running around trying to get HIV is perfectly normal and we should accept his behavior without question.

Do I dare post this? Well, I did post The Devil's Rejects clip.

Well, I knew of a gay guy who would literally go around a club looking for used condoms on the floor to infect himself with AIDS, by emptying the stuff into... well, you know.

Sit on that one.

Anonymous zen0 November 07, 2012 11:05 PM  

Remember, it only took 300 Spaniards operating as a bloc to take the Aztec capital of Tenochtitlan of 300,000.

I read about that in a book by Victor David Hanson. Carnage and Culture, Landmark Battles of Western Civilization. It was very instructive.

They were motivated. Their one goal at the retreat from Tenochtitlán was survival, and the gold.
They did have local allies. Those who were oppressed by the Aztecs. Many lessons there.

Whitey got game.

Anonymous E. PERLINE November 07, 2012 11:06 PM  

If the Republicans refused to be undermined by smaller issues they would be more competitive. For instance, they should not be interested in what symbols of religion are displayed in public places. They should not be interested in blocking homosexual marriage. If gays want to give authority and license money to the state, let them. If people want to smoke horse manure, let them. Republicans should express no opinion denying birth control or abortion to anyone. (These are unenforcible anyway.) I imagine our old nannyism is a big factor in turning off women. Only business should be our business. We should change our name to "Free Enterprisers" and take steps toward freedom whether we like it or not.

Anonymous Anonymous November 07, 2012 11:12 PM  

Vox
While all these statements on demographics are not arguable I think there is something else going on here . In 2010 the democrats were handed their biggest defeat in history .The demographics haven't changed that much since then . The biggest factor that I can see which has changed is the fact that the tea party ie real conservatives were what caused that defeat . What has happened since then is that both the left and the inside the beltway Republican types managed to squash that movement and marginalize it . So they won , got their latest Dole / McCain iteration nominated and got their clock cleaned as usual.
I think the biggest problem here is the Republican party which is essentially a bunch of cowards who are afraid to lead and afraid of criticism from the left .The solution is to take over the Republican party and give people two choices not just a democrat lite choice .

What is your thought on that ?

Anonymous Porky? November 07, 2012 11:13 PM  

Hi Tad. Can we agree on a couple of things? First, that power is a corrupting influence. Second, that overwhelming power begets overwhelming corruption. Agree? I think this is simply human nature. It's this recognition of human nature that led this country to make limited government it's cornerstone.

With that said, getting what you want almost always has a tradeoff. As you win the various privileges you seek such as civil rights based on your bedroom habits, the wanton murder of innocents, and the gradual purging of religion from society does it ever occur to you that it all comes at a terrible cost? And not just the inherent cost of a dangerous and psychologically damaging lifestyle. You are gaining all of these so called liberties as a reward for feeding the most powerful, wealthy, centralized government in history.

What if when you've finally won all of the liberties you desire and you finally get up the nerve to criticize this massive corrupt governmental beast you've helped to create does it ever occur to you that a massive, powerful, well funded, entrenched, corrupt government will likely not listen and will instead deal with you in the most corrupt manner? Surely you are not naive enough to think that the government will always act in your personal interest - especially a massively powerful, highly centralized ,enormously wealthy one.

This is long term thinking, and your primary concerns seem to center around immediate self gratification but I just wonder if any of this crosses your mind. Thanks for your time.

Anonymous zen0 November 07, 2012 11:16 PM  

. We should change our name to "Free Enterprisers" and take steps toward freedom whether we like it or not

. One does not take steps toward freedom. It has to be a JailBreak.

Anonymous Anonymous November 07, 2012 11:18 PM  

Remember, it only took 300 Spaniards operating as a bloc to take the Aztec capital of Tenochtitlan of 300,000.

Well, there's the small matter of thousands of Indian allies who hated the Aztecs and were willing to fight on the side of Cortez. And the smallpox epidemic that killed around 40% or so of the native population in the space of a year, too. Those factors should not be neglected.

Borderline Anonymous

Anonymous Lana November 07, 2012 11:29 PM  

The Republicans have an exciting new alternative to the demographics problem which will solve all of this. Meet "The Hard Work Clean Hands" Initiative.

"The United States must implement tamper-proof, biometric identification documents." All administered by Homeland Security of course.

http://hardworkcleanhands.com/issues

Anonymous Idle Spectator November 07, 2012 11:31 PM  

They did have local allies. Those who were oppressed by the Aztecs. Many lessons there.

Practically everyone who met the Aztecs hated the Aztecs. Even their allies hated them. They were bloodthirsty savages. There, I said it. And in this case, literal, since they called the blood in their human sacrifices "precious water" that was needed to keep the cosmos running.

Spaniard today: "Oh no! I am so sorry, I didn't mean to defile your bountiful land. Here's my sword, kill me with it! Christianity is morally equivalent with killing children for Tlaloc. I'M NOT WORTHY! What can I do to make it all better? PLEASE LIKE ME!"

Spaniard in the 1500s: "What is this shit? Eating meat from human leg bones? Are you mewing handicapped kids with access to cutting implements that decided to play chef?"

And the smallpox epidemic that killed around 40% or so of the native population in the space of a year, too. Those factors should not be neglected

That gives me an idea about changing the demographics. Heh. Heh. Ol' Idle, you big kidder, you!

Anonymous zen0 November 07, 2012 11:33 PM  

And the smallpox epidemic that killed around 40% or so of the native population in the space of a year, too. Those factors should not be neglected.

what a friggin coincidence, eh?
That's what the book is about. The willingness of Western Civilization (up til now) to go for the kill shot.

Biological warfare, B.A.

Who got the mojo?
Cortez got the mojo.

Blogger Subversive Saint November 07, 2012 11:39 PM  

Well, if that graphic doesn't drive home the truth about how truly screwed we are, then nothing will crack that skull.

Blogger Subversive Saint November 07, 2012 11:40 PM  

Well, if that graphic doesn't drive home the truth about how truly screwed we are, then nothing will crack that skull.

Anonymous zen0 November 07, 2012 11:46 PM  

Well, if that graphic doesn't drive home the truth about how truly screwed we are, then nothing will crack that skull

Ok SS, you don't have to hit them over the head with it.

Anonymous 11B November 07, 2012 11:47 PM  

In 2010 the democrats were handed their biggest defeat in history .The demographics haven't changed that much since then . The biggest factor that I can see which has changed is the fact that the tea party ie real conservatives were what caused that defeat . What has happened since then is that both the left and the inside the beltway Republican types managed to squash that movement and marginalize it .

The Tea Party rallied around Obamacare in 2010. That was the killer issue that turned out the vote. In 2012 the GOP nominated the only guy they could find who could not oppose Obama on Obamacare. Coupled with Robert's defection on the Court in June, this effectively removed the Obamacare issue and took some of the air out of the balloon.

Anonymous dh November 07, 2012 11:59 PM  

In 2010 the democrats were handed their biggest defeat in history .The demographics haven't changed that much since then . The biggest factor that I can see which has changed is the fact that the tea party ie real conservatives were what caused that defeat . What has happened since then is that both the left and the inside the beltway Republican types managed to squash that movement and marginalize it

No, no, a thousand times no.

You simply cannot compare the turnout model of a mid-term election with a Presidential year election. It's entirely, completely, totally different electorate.

The Tea Party won huge in 2010 because it was organized. And a big share of the voters.

Anonymous The other skeptic November 08, 2012 12:03 AM  

Yes, a real breakdown. Israel says Obama can go f*ck himself and the fudge-packers make gains in several states.

Anonymous Tom O. November 08, 2012 12:10 AM  

And that doesn't even cover "Bugchasing." Not that I'm expecting any great social upheaval, it will just be funny to see a news anchor sit there with a straight (lol) face and tell you that this guy running around trying to get HIV is perfectly normal and we should accept his behavior without question.

"28 Since these people refused even to think about God, he let their useless minds rule over them. That’s why they do all sorts of indecent things. They are evil, wicked, and greedy, as well as mean in every possible way. They want what others have, and they murder, argue, cheat, and are hard to get along with. They gossip, say cruel things about others, and hate God. They are proud, conceited, and boastful, always thinking up new ways to do evil. These people don’t respect their parents. They are stupid, unreliable, and don’t have any love or pity for others.

They know God has said that anyone who acts this way deserves to die. But they keep on doing evil things, and they even encourage others to do them." (Romans 1:24-32)

Anonymous LES November 08, 2012 12:11 AM  

According to the chart 47% are college graduates? Huh?

Anonymous Tom O. November 08, 2012 12:13 AM  

Errata: Omit numeral 28, replace numeral 24 with numeral 28.

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, Psephologist November 08, 2012 12:21 AM  

In 2010 the democrats were handed their biggest defeat in history .The demographics haven't changed that much since then . The biggest factor that I can see which has changed is the fact that the tea party ie real conservatives were what caused that defeat . What has happened since then is that both the left and the inside the beltway Republican types managed to squash that movement and marginalize it

This is still all about demographics. Republicans can't win the presidental election due to national demographics, but still can at the local level. So that might be a good place to start. Gerrymander districts as hard as asian, black, and latino activists do, and start voting blocs on the local level. But call it "western cultural awareness." They a need a candidate that understands them and their culture.

Notice how many governorships picked up an R. Thrrrrr great!


According to the chart 47% are college graduates? Huh?

Have you met many college graduates? Surfs up, dude.

Errata

Erratum. That is plural.

Anonymous map November 08, 2012 12:49 AM  

What is interesting is that 13 million fewer people voted in this election compared to 2008. Where did all of those people go? How will they end up voting when Obama's second term is up?

Tad, I like how you think your clever. How's this for clever:

1) The Republicans should embrace abortion because the vast majority of abortions are committed by Democrats. There is no abortion epidemic in the red states. Live births and adoptions for Republicans; abortions for Democrats.

2) The Republicans should embrace gay marriage because that removes the gay gene from the gene pool. Closeted, conservative societies forced gays to marry and have kids so they could fit. These unions led to children that carried a gay gene that would later be expressed in some generation. Open homosexuality quarantines the gay population. They will disappear, like a recessive trait in a population of fruit flies.

3) We should end the war on terror. The vast majority of terror attacks happen in Democrat, SWPL areas like Manhattan. True, a murdering Muslim terrorist is really no better than the Democrat he murders, but that is no reason to send Republican red-state soldiers to die on behalf of Democrat blue-state civilians.

So please, let's follow Tad to freedom.

Anonymous Matt November 08, 2012 12:50 AM  

The Tea Party won huge in 2010 because it was organized. And a big share of the voters.

And they picked the low-hanging fruit. They largely nuked RINOs and blue dogs. They didn't really unseat any actual liberals.

Anonymous Tad November 08, 2012 1:04 AM  

@porky You are gaining all of these so called liberties as a reward for feeding the most powerful, wealthy, centralized government in history.

Your theory ran way off the rails here.

Start over.

Anonymous Roundtine November 08, 2012 1:12 AM  

Crap. Even with the stimulus, if you remove the Bush Tax Cuts, if the economy grows at an average of 3.2% on average fo the next 5 years and if you don't start any wars in that time, things start to look very doable economically. Do the math. Now is the best time in history for the government to borrow money.

Remove the Bush tax cuts and the economy will not improve. At best it stays the same. Any savings are spent on the increasing costs of Obamacare, which will be a budget breaker in a couple years. This ignores rising Medicare and SS costs, and SSI disability goes broke in 2015. If the government continues to successfully borrow it will enjoy the Japan scenario of 1 to 2% growth, plus recessions. Obama will be lucky to have Total GDP growth of 3% over the next 4 years. Not average growth. Total growth.

The government cannot borrow at low rates. They are issuing debt at low interest rates because most of the bonds they are issuing are low interest rate bonds. If you pay attention to the Treasury market or financial news, you'd have heard that later this year or in 2013, the Treasury will start issuing floating rate bonds! That means it doesn't matter what today's rates are, the interest payments will increase as interest rates rise. This is actually a smart policy because it avoids a Greece scenario where short-term interest rates go to 30%. If the Treasury tried issuing 30-year bonds in large numbers, they would push up interest rates and send the dollar tumbling.

There is no way out.

Anonymous Toby Temple November 08, 2012 1:21 AM  

The Latinos are collecting now.

Anonymous Idle Spectator November 08, 2012 1:30 AM  

I like your link Toby. "Owe us" appeared many times in it.

Bwahahah! The comments are great. It looks like people are finally waking up.

We need to start having candidates from a tradional western perspective saying, "we don't owe you anything. I am tired of these hateful accusations by latino activists against our traditional diversity."

Let's call it "traditional diversity." This could be fun.

Anonymous Toby Temple November 08, 2012 1:47 AM  

It's starting to look like the United States of Latinos.

Anonymous OCS November 08, 2012 2:18 AM  

"Ana Navarro, a Miami-based Republican political strategist who had warned Republicans to take a softer tone on immigration if they wanted to win the election"

Life my fuck.

Anonymous bw November 08, 2012 3:15 AM  

I have long claimed that POTUS makes no real decisions.
I bet you didn't see this one in USSA.
71%
All your country is belong to us.

reconquista baby

Anonymous bw November 08, 2012 3:16 AM  

Life my fuck.

Not sure what language that is .... but I like it.

Anonymous Bobo November 08, 2012 4:28 AM  

LOL at Pernod Ricard. Will the French and Spanish give Basques autonomy too?

Anonymous Idle Spectator November 08, 2012 5:55 AM  

"Ana Navarro, a Miami-based Republican political strategist who had warned Republicans to take a softer tone on immigration if they wanted to win the election

What exactly is she strategizing? How to make Republicans castrate themselves?

a) Female.
b) With the surname Spanish "Narvarro" meaning "Basque speaking person."
c) From Miami, Florida.

What could wrong? Do you think she might be leading us astray from traditional diversity due to her background? I find her comments quite hate-filled to the traditional western perspective.

Blogger JD Curtis November 08, 2012 7:17 AM  

13 possible Republican presidential contenders for 2016

Anonymous David Of One November 08, 2012 7:57 AM  

14 million less voters this time around eh? Maybe it was 23.8 million less than really voted? How would one prove or disprove this?

Anonymous Despair November 08, 2012 8:12 AM  

I'm just excited at the prospects of
Jesse Ventura/Howard Stern for President/VP 2016.
If they get into the debates, it'd make the most entertaining debates in history.

Anonymous fish November 08, 2012 8:23 AM  

Shut up S o c k p u p p e t .

Anonymous Porky? November 08, 2012 8:40 AM  

Tad: Your theory ran way off the rails here.

No, it's fairly simple.

1) You vote for the party of taxation, big government, massive overspending, and huge, powerful government regulatory beaurocracy.

2) They pass laws for you so you can marry dudes and murder babies.

What part don't you get?

Anonymous VryeDenker November 08, 2012 8:54 AM  

The most worrisome thing one can glean from this data is that Young people overwhelmingly vote Democrat. Young people of today are old people of tomorrow.

Anonymous WaterBoy November 08, 2012 10:02 AM  

Vox, the demographics regarding the Latino vote may even have been slightly larger than this graph depicts.

Another poll shows the split at 75-23 in Obama's favor nationally. More crucially, though, is that it was even higher in some swing states: Colorado (87-10) and Ohio (82-17), for example.

If Republicans want to win the Latino vote, they won't even need to do so nationally. Just focus on those swing states where the L-Factor is really in play.

Anonymous BAJ November 08, 2012 11:21 AM  

The GOP lost any sense of relevancy once they rejected Ron Paul. Did they not see the value in his arguments? Ohhh no wait. If Ron Paul won the terrorists would win and Israel would be destroyed. Ah. Makes perfect sense.

Anonymous cluth November 08, 2012 11:40 AM  

"I don't know what MSM means anymore when the WSJ is owned by the same company that owns Fox News and Disney owns ABC. What I do know is that the forces of liberty are winning the argument when it comes to gay rights. Let me translate that for you: Bigots are losing the argument."

If your goal is liberty, you're failing and confused. You are still bound by the state, only now, the state consents. Stripping authority from the state regarding marriage or civil unions would be liberty.

If you have to get permission, you're not free.

Anonymous cluth November 08, 2012 11:47 AM  

On second thought, perhaps the idea of approval or permission, is the closest a lambda can get to to the concept of liberty.



Anonymous Loki of Asgard November 08, 2012 12:42 PM  

Embrace abortion in first trimester.

I enjoy it when someone who claims to be oppressed and victimised clamors for the victimisation of another, more helpless group of people who have committed no crimes save being inconvenient to the powerful.

And on what grounds but that the powerful and intensely self-centered want to do it? You mortals are not cut out for liberty, if all you can make of it is hedonism and wanton destruction.

But it's too late to kneel to me at this point, so do not waste your breath on begging. I still have an incredible hangover and a new puppy; whence the latter came, I have no idea, but I suspect Wilson was involved.

Anonymous TheVillageIdiotRet November 08, 2012 12:47 PM  

Non-White Hispanics belongs in the Democratic Party,
with the Jews and Africans.
and the White Hispanics belongs in the Republican Party,
with the White People.

DannyR

Anonymous Servant November 08, 2012 2:41 PM  

I have voted for the last Republican I believe I ever will. Just signed on to the Texas Nationalist Movement. Losing (until a tipping point is reached) my vote will be for libertarian policies and succession from a corrupt, over-reaching, very large and well financed federal government. I have quite probably 8 to 16 voting opportunities left to me, and this will be how it is so.

Anonymous servant November 08, 2012 2:42 PM  

Additionally ... yo hablo espanol

Anonymous Stilicho November 08, 2012 2:49 PM  


African American unemployment is 14.3%. And it's in a downward trend.

The point of course is that the view that AFrican Americans somehow embrace unemployment makes not sense and is fantasy.


Moron. That is NOT the same as 85.7% of blacks being employed. You clearly have no idea what a reported 14.7% unemployment rate for blacks means with respect to what percentage of the black population has a job. Too short for this ride by far.

Anonymous FP November 08, 2012 3:04 PM  

Tad: "Let me translate that for you: Bigots are losing the argument."

Yet the gay marriage supporters ignore their own bigotry with their support of hate crime laws. I thought the 14th ammendment made us all equal under the law?

See that travesty of justice at Rutgers earlier this year when the gay 18 year old jumped off a bridge. The state and media blamed it on his roommate.

Anonymous whatever November 08, 2012 5:30 PM  

Wow, them their Republicans must really be fighting for them whites! They is commanding a very slight majority in them there whiteys!

Of course, if we is removing the southern trash racists who votes republican cause they hate blacks, then the Republicans have only the slimmest of white majorities.

So it seems that normal whites don't seem to think that there is much of an advantage republican or democrat either way. You do have the oldsters who imagine they are rich voting Republican though. Cause no way is the repubs taking their social security check away! Ha ha ha.

Whatever.

Anonymous whatever November 08, 2012 5:35 PM  


The GOP lost any sense of relevancy once they rejected Ron Paul.


Ron Paul was 78 when he ran for president. He had an exactly zero percent chance of winning the main election. Because even American nutjobs don't want as president someone who might drop over dead if he is overly startled. I'm not even joking. So how insane does that make you?

F****ing moronic Americans. Ron Paul Supporters F*****ing moronic Americans SQUARED.

Anonymous whatever November 08, 2012 5:50 PM  

Turns out Ron Paul was 77, not 78. I suppose that doesn't change anything.

Anonymous DonReynolds November 08, 2012 6:10 PM  

I guess it is unavoidable. The media (including FoxNews) is asking partisan Democrats what the Republicans need to do to do better in future elections. Is this insane or not?

Of course, they all suggest that the Republicans need to pander to all the ethnic and economic and age groups that habitually vote Democrat. Even the Chamber of Commerce Republicans are parroting the message...."Republicans need to surrender all that they believe and imitate the Democrats if they hope to survive in the future."

Of course, this is nonsense. Half of the voters supported the Republican ticket. Even if the Republican Party moved farther to the Left than the Democrat Party, they are not going to win over the constituencies now voting Democrat, so we need to put to rest the lunatic idea that the Republican party needs to become more Leftist. A better salesman would be true to his own product and convince buyers that it is a better deal. That is what works in business and that is what works in politics.

Of course, it is difficult to sell anything to people who get everything they want for free, except by promising to steal more for them. That is not a solution I would ever suggest.

Blogger R. Bradley Andrews November 08, 2012 7:11 PM  

Tad thinks that freedom means doing what he wants you to do. I find that in many liberals: "Toe my line and you will be truly free." You are not even free to dislike what they do, for they want acceptance and affirmation more than anything else. It is not longer about being free to do what they want.

Those who are aborted (murdered) will not be in the next generation by definition.

I also am old enough to remember the cries of "get your nose out of my bedroom." Of course that has changed since they can now push for their real goal of an attempted normalization of what is not normal.

People can behave however they want, but don't force me to embrace it or subsidize it.

Take marriage away from the state as well and this whole issue goes away, but I don't hear many crying for that.

Anonymous Godfrey November 08, 2012 7:59 PM  

For Tad the election seems to have been all about sodomy. This is a typical trait of a narcissistic psychological disorder like homosexuality. For the homosexual, everything is about him. For Tad, everything is about him and his anus.

Blogger Red Bane November 08, 2012 8:35 PM  

Limited government Vox? Lol. The dust is inches thick on that Utopian (nowhere) and long since abandoned concept.And yes...I am referring to the good 'ol US of A.

Anonymous Geoff-UK November 08, 2012 9:44 PM  

"The only way some aspect of historical America can be retained is through secession or genocide of minorities, that's it."

The former has been tried before--unsuccessfully. Sorry, sons of Northern Virginia. It is, however, obviously preferable to the latter.

Still...what can't continue will stop eventually. Buckle up, buttercups.

Anonymous Toby Temple November 08, 2012 10:10 PM  

Because even American nutjobs don't want as president someone who might drop over dead if he is overly startled.

Yes. He would have dropped dead on his first debate at 77.. oh wait..

Anonymous WaterBoy November 09, 2012 10:20 AM  

whatever: "Ron Paul was [77] when he ran for president. He had an exactly zero percent chance of winning the main election. Because even American nutjobs don't want as president someone who might drop over dead if he is overly startled."

Ageist!

Anonymous E. PERLINE November 25, 2012 10:35 PM  

Everything developes in stages. When socialism takes over a major party, it becomes a wildfire. Nothing will defeat it. Then, after a few victories, it runs into traps. Since socialism is not built to find a way out of traps, constant false economic issues must be raised.

Whether our people are that easy to fool, or whether they will drop their rampant consumerism--that will determine how far socialism goes. I think Americans are alrady too spoiled to accept a life of poverty.

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