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Monday, November 12, 2012

Decline and fall: the picture

As you look at this graph produced by Steve Sailer, keep in mind that, with a few exceptions, America was founded by married white Protestants of English extraction.  Then recall that there is not a single white Protestant on the Supreme Court and neither party saw fit to nominate one for President. And then recall that demographics is destiny.

Some on the right claim that it would be a mistake to engage in the same racial politics that have created a left-wing majority.  That is like trying to play football without acknowledging the newfangled rule that permits the forward pass.  Racial politics are now the rule, and the only way the right can win is to start playing the game and taking advantage of its numerical advantages while it still can.  The conventional abstract appeals to "freedom" and "America as an ideal" so beloved by conservative Republicans are the political equivalent of "three yards and a cloud of dust".

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105 Comments:

Anonymous castricv November 12, 2012 10:09 AM  

See --- Everything Pat Buchanan has written since the 80s

Anonymous Daniel November 12, 2012 10:21 AM  

...especially when they don't actually adhere to those ideals, but advocate their opposite.

Romney flat-out said he would be an opponent of State's rights vs. Colorado, for example.

A "Freedom" Party is no different than an "Abstinence" Whorehouse. Throw in demographics, and you are done.

My guess is that the Republicans won't figure it out, and will go the way of the Whigs.
What I'm very unclear on is what power block would come next. My guess is that it would be something like an openly Marxist La Raza immigrant coalition vs. a Democrat Party that shifts right, but that is only a guess.

Anonymous Geoff-UK November 12, 2012 10:26 AM  

Given that the U.S. is likely past the point of no return--what bolt holes exist? Believe it or not, the immigration policy of Australia was openly called the "White Australia" policy. Defunct since early 1970s.

Will any nation recognize the game plan here is to have the population of the Earth comprised of nothing but slaves, rich slave-holders and a tiny portion of slave administrators?

I can see a time 500 years from now when WASPs daringly follow the pioneers of old to go populate a planet, see half their numbers die off, but eventually create a thriving economy...only to have warships arrive composed of Sun People with nuclear weapons demanding the WASPs share in the bounty...given the racism of the 1700s in colonial America.

Can Italy be the answer? Aren't they getting a ton of refugees from Libya?

FOR THE ILK--WHERE THE HELL TO ESCAPE TO?

Anonymous Zartan November 12, 2012 10:29 AM  

What the election would have looked like if only men could vote.

Via Who would have won if:
http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/11/11/who-would-have-won-if/

Anonymous Daniel November 12, 2012 10:31 AM  

FOR THE ILK--WHERE THE HELL TO ESCAPE TO?

Sesame Street.

No wait, Elmo's a pedophile.

Blogger Nate November 12, 2012 10:36 AM  

Ted Kennedy managed to change the immigration biases almost single-handedly.

Put the murder charges on him... and his God forsaken family.

Blogger Nate November 12, 2012 10:37 AM  

Where to escape to?

Session talk is at levels not seen since the 1850s mate. You won't have to go anywhere.

Anonymous The other skeptic November 12, 2012 10:41 AM  


Session talk is at levels not seen since the 1850s mate. You won't have to go anywhere.


Our modern Abraham Lincoln will not permit that. If you thought Lincoln was draconian, just wait.

Blogger Tank November 12, 2012 10:41 AM  

VD is right, but there is no chance the Repubs will do that.

Anonymous CatDog November 12, 2012 10:41 AM  

I really don't buy the English angle that you push. Still think Anglo or British is the more accurate description of American origins. Its been discussed here before that many of the Founders and the governors of the states were of Welsh and Scottish descent. To turn it purely in to an English thing is misleading.

Anonymous Josh November 12, 2012 10:42 AM  

I honestly think that peaceful secession will happen...like in the Soviet Union...because the collapse of the system will be total...and the government seen to be completely illegitimate and gelded...

Anonymous The other skeptic November 12, 2012 10:45 AM  

London dying is just another indication of the decline.

Anonymous Rantor November 12, 2012 10:49 AM  

I told our Republican precinct captain (neighbor) that Romney would need 75% of the white vote to win and that wasn't happening. So yes I understand demographics, I just don't accept that it is insurmountable.

Especially if Joe Biden runs next time...

Anonymous JI November 12, 2012 10:50 AM  

In other words, the groups that voted mostly for Obama are a freak show. What a zoo.

Anonymous Stilicho November 12, 2012 10:53 AM  

The calls for the GOP to surrender aren't all satire. Many of the chattering classes actually believe this crap.

Anonymous BillB November 12, 2012 10:57 AM  

Those sucking the life out of the rest of us always vote for Uncle Sugar. Since Obummer has done so well in expanding the rolls, we are screwed UNLESS the rest decide to push back HARD.

Why do hispanics vote democrat? Because hispanics have been unable to shake the Padron for centuries. Hispanics relish someone taking care of them. They know no better and are unwilling to learn.

De Tocqueville looked and them and said in his book that the reason the hispanics countries have failed is the Spanish influence and culture. It sucks.

Anonymous Stilicho November 12, 2012 10:59 AM  

Look at the numbers for the Hindus. There's an immigrant group that is notorious for working hard to obtain a better life, yet they still voted for Obama by an overwhelming majority that was exceeded by only one other race: blacks. Most people yearn for the security of chains and, given the opportunity, will vote for it.

Anonymous DC Al Fine November 12, 2012 11:09 AM  

So how would the Republican party do race politics? What practical steps would they take?

Anonymous Daniel November 12, 2012 11:10 AM  

Our modern Abraham Lincoln will not permit that. If you thought Lincoln was draconian, just wait.

Heh. You are talking about Obama, right?

That's funny right there.

Dude couldn't stop a toilet.

He's the harmless stop-gap for the dictator to come. He's serving his purpose, but come on, at least Lincoln could give a speech and was a decent athlete. No, Lincoln's on his way, but Obama, at best is a two-term Buchanan.

Anonymous Salt November 12, 2012 11:15 AM  

Session talk is at levels not seen since the 1850s mate. You won't have to go anywhere.

The polar opposite of what the MSM and many Libs are saying is being talked in hushed tones in backrooms. The Left just does not get it that there are many who do not want what they want.

Anonymous Daniel November 12, 2012 11:24 AM  

So how would the Republican party do race politics? What practical steps would they take?

They'd have to tack toward state's rights, reject women and target males. They'd have to become the machismo party. They'd have to declare surrender in the War on Drugs and Terror.

They'd probably have to go full-on anti-immigration - mass deportation party, too.

In other words, they would have to become the exact opposite of who they are at the core.

Anonymous CJ November 12, 2012 11:25 AM  

"FOR THE ILK--WHERE THE HELL TO ESCAPE TO?"

Too lazy to find a link, but after the 2008 election (I think), Slate ran an article that said Poland was the best option for those on the right.

Anonymous rienzi November 12, 2012 11:31 AM  

A breakdown by occupation would be interesting: plumbers, electricians, long-haul truck drivers, farmers, insurance agents, physicians, lawyers, small business owners, welfare takers, Wall street traders, teachers, cops, military, etc.

I haven't been able to find a breakdown like that on the net. However, my gut feeling is that Zero probably didn't do all that well among those who keep the whole creaky edifice upright and running on a day to day basis.

Anonymous HH November 12, 2012 11:41 AM  

Theres a book written in 2009 "40 More years.. How the Democrats will rule the next generation" by James Carville... anyone here read it ? I was thinking of requesting copy via library loan... reviews ?

Anonymous The Lightworker November 12, 2012 11:50 AM  

"So how would the Republican party do race politics? What practical steps would they take?"

Go from implicitly White politics, where you show up at places that Whites like, such as NASCAR rallies, and smile and say nothing true and don't do anything for anybody, to explicitly White politics, where you identify Whites as a legitimate "community" and interest group, and do things for them, and then ask them to vote for you because you delivered the goods for them.

Run against laws and rules that make Whites second class citizens, such as affirmative action, and against mass immigration, legal and illegal. Hit the issue of competition for jobs. There are many grievances Whites have that nobody has agreed to address let alone redress. Take them on, starting with the most popular ones, like the right of Whites to have an equal shot at jobs they are qualified for.

Stop pleading not guilty to media charges of racism. Constant pleading not guilty becomes pleading, and politically pleading is losing. Instead, challenge the race-baiters as anti-White. If you explicitly run against legal impediments to Whites enjoying equal rights, you are off to a good start in calling those who attack you anti-White.

Support home-schooling. If Joe and Jane White America want young Joe Junior properly educated at home instead of getting compulsory indoctrination in cultural Marxism and getting bullied or mugged at school, any pro-White politician should help them as a high priority.

Repeal the Hollywood tax cuts. Leftist institutions have unfair legal advantages that are easy to justify ending. Struggle to end them.

Say that nothing is "too big to fail" and mean it. Monopolists are not the Joe and Jane White Americas you are standing for.

Emphasize federalism. The mass media defines "states rights" as lynchings, and will attack you as racist, so hit them as anti-White. The real point of emphasizing federalism is not to have to choose between heavily unionized workers who like high taxes and lots of services in some states, and White workers with the opposite priorities in other states. You need all their votes.

Blogger Nate November 12, 2012 11:54 AM  

"Our modern Abraham Lincoln will not permit that. If you thought Lincoln was draconian, just wait."

the US military will not be on his side. There is no future lincoln to fear. The south is industrialized. Much of the US military industrial complex is not in the south. They aren't going to open fire on their own homes.

Blogger Nate November 12, 2012 11:55 AM  

to put it another way... Asking the Ohio Regulars to invade Georgia is one thing.

Asking them to burn down Columbus is an entirely different matter.

Anonymous Noah B. November 12, 2012 11:56 AM  

"The polar opposite of what the MSM and many Libs are saying is being talked in hushed tones in backrooms."

Haven't heard any hushed tones around here.

Anonymous jack November 12, 2012 12:06 PM  

The Lightworker November 12, 2012 11:50 AM

If you could find politicians with the balls to take this route. I would vote for such a one on general principal, just for having the courage to stand tall and try it.

Anonymous Roundtine November 12, 2012 12:21 PM  

"So how would the Republican party do race politics? What practical steps would they take?"

Also use wedge issues, overtly or covertly, to exploit the conflict between Democrat coalition members. See 2008 California gay initiative for an example.

Anonymous fnn November 12, 2012 12:25 PM  

Ted Kennedy managed to change the immigration biases almost single-handedly.

Do you really believe that a dumba** like Teddy was able to do all that damage by his lonesome?
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/01/kevin-macdonald-jews-and-immigration-policy-%E2%80%94-again/
(...)
Incidentally, Otis Graham’s brother Hugh Davis Graham, agrees with me on the forces behind the 1965 law. He wrote in his 2002 book Collision Course (pp. 56-57):

Most important for the content of immigration reform [i.e., loosening], the driving force at the core of the movement, reaching back to the 1920s, were Jewish organizations long active in opposing racial and ethnic quotas. These included the American Jewish Congress, the American Jewish Committee, the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith, and the American Federation of Jews from Eastern Europe. Jewish members of the Congress, particularly representatives from New York and Chicago, had maintained steady but largely ineffective pressure against the national origins quotas since the 1920s…. Following the shock of the Holocaust, Jewish leaders had been especially active in Washington in furthering immigration reform. To the public, the most visible evidence of the immigration reform drive was played by Jewish legislative leaders, such as Representative Celler and Senator Jacob Javits of New York. Less visible, but equally important, were the efforts of key advisers on presidential and agency staffs. These included senior policy advisers such as Julius Edelson and Harry Rosenfield in the Truman administration, Maxwell Rabb in the Eisenhower White House, and presidential aide Myer Feldman, assistant secretary of state Abba Schwartz, and deputy attorney general Norbert Schlei in the Kennedy-Johnson administration.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 November 12, 2012 12:39 PM  

Looks like Obama didn't lose the Jewish vote. Another thing people were wrong about.

Anonymous Daniel November 12, 2012 12:48 PM  

Obama did lose the Jewish vote vs. 2008. He lost 8%, and Romney gained 9%, so that wasn't a positive factor toward his re-election.

Having your support decimated is, by definition, lost support.

Anonymous LES November 12, 2012 12:49 PM  

"Hebrew Immigration Aid Society president and CEO, Leonard Glickman who was working to bring more native Africans into America stated "The more diverse American society is the safer [Jews] are". The NeoCons are vigorous supporters of immigration."

Blogger JDC November 12, 2012 1:05 PM  

On a few of the conservative talk shows, the hot topic has been how the right seems to be or will cave on leftist agenda items to secure more votes - becoming pro-gay marriage, pro-immigration (whatever that means), becoming pro- Mary Jane, and pro- men cut off your balls or tuck them so as not to offend the feminists.

Boehner is even whining about Obama's inability to address immigration. Why should he? It's working for the Dem's - and the idea that left-leaning voters will flock to the right is laughable.

Anonymous jay c November 12, 2012 1:10 PM  

Looks like Obama didn't lose the Jewish vote. Another thing people were wrong about.

That's because Jews are addicted to self-sabotage. They are pretty reliable about supporting causes that are ultimately not in their own best interests.

Blogger Nate November 12, 2012 1:29 PM  

"Do you really believe that a dumba** like Teddy was able to do all that damage by his lonesome? "

Did Wheeler get a new alias?

Anonymous David November 12, 2012 1:31 PM  

That is amazing that Mitt Romney captured 2.4% of the single black woman vote. Who are these women and how can I meet them? It would be fascinating to learn their motivation.

Anonymous castricv November 12, 2012 1:46 PM  

I think the one thing you secessionists forget completely that destroys any hope of that working is that in the states most likely to seceed reside the highest population of minorities. Think about it. In Maine, Minnesota, even Pennsylvania (which is still almost 80% white) the people consistantly vote D and would never seceed. In my home state (I live in TN now) of LA, there is a very visible movement. As is one in Texas, however in LA the black population alone is almost 40% and in Texas it is minority majority.

Where do you think these people go when you seceed???? And who would fight this war? Most whites are cowards now, having been neutered by television, their women, and the ever present fear of incarceration in a jungle of hell that they have no chance of surviving. Secession attempts would last 10 minutes for show.

If they were serious all hell would break loose and I no longer believe that you can be sure white would come out on top....

Anonymous castricv November 12, 2012 1:48 PM  

Believe me as someone who has followed Paty B for twenty years, I have thought through all of these angles long since and none are viable.

Blogger Mark November 12, 2012 1:51 PM  

Fascinating. Do Muslims vote?

Blogger Nate November 12, 2012 2:24 PM  

"Where do you think these people go when you seceed???? And who would fight this war? Most whites are cowards now, having been neutered by television, their women, and the ever present fear of incarceration in a jungle of hell that they have no chance of surviving. Secession attempts would last 10 minutes for show."

If the south seceded the blacks would simply follow along.

Anonymous castricv November 12, 2012 2:25 PM  

Exactly Nate and then we have the same problem of erosion again. We either expel them and then get blasted by the rest of the world or we keep them much like we do now (with welfare, etc.)

Anonymous Jack Amok November 12, 2012 2:30 PM  

"The more diverse American society is the safer [Jews] are".

What an idiot. Well, probably a con man rather than an idiot, but anybody who believes that line is an idiot of the first water. WASPs may occassionally keep Jews out of their country clubs, but they're far less likely to pogrom than all those vibrant diversificants.

So, what would you call a Jew who sold out his people for the sake of a few coins? Seems I've read about something like that in a book somewhere....

Blogger James Dixon November 12, 2012 2:31 PM  

> We either expel them and then get blasted by the rest of the world or we keep them much like we do now (with welfare, etc.)

False dichotomy. Those aren't the only options.

Anonymous WaterBoy November 12, 2012 2:32 PM  

@castricv: I think the idea is to not offer welfare in the first place. Those inclined to ask for it would perforce move elsewhere to find it, while those inclined to work would remain.

Anonymous Brendan November 12, 2012 2:35 PM  

Pennsylvania (which is still almost 80% white) the people consistantly vote D and would never seceed.

If you look at the electoral map for Pennsylvania by county, you'll see that Obama won the state by ~280k votes out of ~5.5m cast -- he won about 52% of the vote. If you drill down, you see he won by running up the score in heavily black Philadelphia -- he won Philadelphia by a whopping 460k votes, 85% of the vote there. He lost the rest of the state outside Philadelphia by slightly less than ~200k votes, even giving his much smaller wins in union-dominated towns in East-Central and Northeast PA, Erie and Pittsburgh. Most of the whites in PA voted for Romney.

The same thing happened next door in Ohio, where he ran up the score in Cleveland and lost the rest of the state, even though he won smaller victories in the other Ohio cities. In these swing states it's not the city vote as much as it is the overwhelming Democratic vote of Democratic sinkholes like Philly and Cleveland that flipped the election -- places that have large non-white voter bases.

Other cities are not nearly as lopsided -- he wins a democrat minded but not minority dominated city like Pittsburgh, but only by ~88k votes. If he has that same margin in Philly, he loses PA. Next door in Ohio, he wins Columbus, also a Dem city, by ~120k votes. If his margin in Cleveland is like that, he loses a state which, as it is, he won by 104k votes out of ~5.2m cast. And even leaving that aside, had the Repubs gotten a few more white couples in Ohio to come out and vote (turnout was down), Obama probably doesn't win Ohio in 2012. But, of course, the message is that the Repubs need to embrace immigration and gay marriage. Yep, I'm sure that's going to make the black people in Cleveland and Philly come out to vote for the Repubs and turn around these swing states for them ...

Of course, PA is not going to secede, but the point is that the vote in some of these swing states is very polarized between whites and blacks -- PA is only reliably blue because Philadelphia is a huge black city that pours hundreds of thousands of votes onto Obama's pile in an extremely lop-sided way.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 12, 2012 2:37 PM  

In looking at Sailer's chart, there is another way beyond pure racialist politics, though it requires giving up something that is heavily ingrained - universal sufferage.

Restrict the vote to married people, Romney wins.
Restrict the vote to homeowners, Romney wins.
Restrict the vote to men, Romney wins.

The middle one (homeowners) is probably the only possible one that could happen without a violent revolution, and even that one would be difficult, but all would produce better results than turning poliics into a race-based industry (or rather, allowing it to continue as a race-based industry).

Bah, I'm not optimistic any of it will be done. Likely someone else will have to start from square one thirty years from now. Damn fools.

Anonymous johnc November 12, 2012 2:41 PM  

Fascinating. Do Muslims vote?

Yes, Muslims went huge for Obama.

Anonymous WaterBoy November 12, 2012 2:47 PM  

Brendan: "In these swing states it's not the city vote as much as it is the overwhelming Democratic vote of Democratic sinkholes like Philly and Cleveland that flipped the election -- places that have large non-white voter bases."

The solution to this problem, of course, is to go with the Federal ratio for city voters: people who live in cities with populations > 100K only count as 3/5 of one vote.

Anonymous kh123 November 12, 2012 2:49 PM  

"That is amazing that Mitt Romney captured 2.4% of the single black woman vote."

Either "Black" trumped "Mormon" in classification; or else these are from church communities who have a white majority and are more than likely suburban.

Anonymous castricv November 12, 2012 2:51 PM  

@JamesDIXON -- @castricv We either expel them and then get blasted by the rest of the world or we keep them much like we do now (with welfare, etc.)---

"False dichotomy. Those aren't the only options."

Of course they're not, but they are the most probable and I don't have time to list every possible micro-scenario.

@Water Boy --- I think the idea is to not offer welfare in the first place. Those inclined to ask for it would perforce move elsewhere to find it, while those inclined to work would remain.--

Again, this is dreamland thinking. These same "people" couldn't be bothered to move 20 feet to catch a free ride out of town for Katrina when certain destruction was coming. These same "people" have been given free education, mandated job preferences, free healthcare and food for 4 decades and cannot advance past lower middle class stage at best. These same "people" are now going on 3 generations of not knowing anything but freebies as a part of normal life. In MS for example the average black finishes 8th grade and has an IQ of around 80. Unless the remaining US magically agrees to take our human garbage AND PAY for them, they aren't going anywhere and the societal decline continues, albeit under a different country's name.

Without going too much further, also consider that there is a lot of cross breeding and dumbing down of whites as well. Hispanics make up large sections of the rest. Secession is impossible under these conditions.

Anonymous kh123 November 12, 2012 2:56 PM  

"In these swing states it's not the city vote as much as it is the overwhelming Democratic vote of Democratic sinkholes like Philly and Cleveland that flipped the election -- places that have large non-white voter bases."

Shades of gerrymandering.

Anonymous WaterBoy November 12, 2012 3:03 PM  

castricv: "Again, this is dreamland thinking."

Of course it is, but so is the whole secession scenario in the first place. But as long as the thought games are being played out....

One simple program which could be implemented is a free bus ticket anywhere else outside the seceeded area in exchange for relinquishment of citizenship in said area. The cost of transporting a family once would be far less than the cost of supporting them for a lifetime.

Hey, it worked for New York to send their homeless people to other states; time for them to return the favor.

Anonymous fnn November 12, 2012 3:04 PM  

"Do you really believe that a dumba** like Teddy was able to do all that damage by his lonesome? "

Did Wheeler get a new alias?


Here is the author of the book cited, the guy you're really mad at:
http://www.historians.org/perspectives/issues/2002/0209/0209mem2.cfm
Hugh Davis Graham, the Holland N. McTyeire Professor of History at Vanderbilt University, died on March 26, 2002, of esophageal cancer at his new home in Santa Barbara, California. He was only 65. With unusual courage and grace, he had battled his affliction for five years, a near record not only for survival but for years of continued engagement in teaching and scholarship. He died just after the publication of his final book, and just before an international conference on the Reagan presidency, a project that he had helped plan and organize. At his death he was a plaintiff in a lawsuit challenging an executive order by President Bush which limited public access to the records of former presidents, and thus to many of the records of President Reagan.
Graham, the son of a Presbyterian minister, and one of three talented Graham boys, was born in Arkansas, but grew up in Nashville. His appointment to the McTyeire Chair in 1991 brought him home again. With his usual exuberance, he committed himself completely to Vanderbilt. In the next decade he served as department chair for two years, worked tirelessly to improve graduate work, served on numerous college and university committees, won major awards for his teaching and service to the university, and was author or co-author of two books, editor or co-editor of two more. He was a model colleague, generous to a fault, full of good will, and optimistic even in the face of illness and pain. His contribution to Vanderbilt marked the climax of a long and productive career as a historian.
As an undergraduate at Yale, Graham majored in history. He moved to Stanford University for graduate work, completing his PhD in history there in 1964. For the next three years he taught in nontenured positions at Foothills College, San Jose State, and Stanford. From 1967 to 1971 he was an associate professor at Johns Hopkins University, where he served as associate, and then acting, director of the Institute of Southern History. In the midst of several civic involvements, he co-directed a task force for the National Commission on the Causes and Prevention of Violence in 1968–69, and co-edited the commission's report, Violence in America. In 1967, he published his dissertation, Crisis in Print, a survey of newspaper reaction to desegregation in Tennessee.

(...)

Blogger Bob Wallace November 12, 2012 3:07 PM  

I can't remember where I read it, but the author pointed out that countries go through three phases: agricultural (Thomas Jefferson was a big fan of farmers), industrial, then when they collapse, financial/service. He used as examples Spain and Holland.

He also pointed out once they go through the turbulence of the financial/service collapse (and the end of their empires), they end up being better places.

So we do have something to look foward to.

Anonymous castricv November 12, 2012 3:08 PM  

I know it's all a thought exercise, but a lot of people here seriously believe it is feasible. I personally find the idea desireable, but it is a pipe dream.

The main problem I am having with the arguments presented is that for some reason it is assumed that a)undesireables would leave their homes and friends for no reason or a free "bus pass" and b)that a now whole other country would magically take them simply because we send them.....

This has to be thought through.

Anonymous WaterBoy November 12, 2012 3:22 PM  

castricv: "a)undesireables would leave their homes and friends for no reason or a free "bus pass""

They wouldn't have a choice. With no welfare programs to pay their mortgage/rent, they would be evicted. With no food stamps to live on, they would starve. Unless charities would agree to support them forever instead (doubtful), they would have no choice but to go where welfare exists on a one-way trip.

castricv: "b)that a now whole other country would magically take them simply because we send them....."

Not only would they take them, but they would actively work toward freeing them from such conditions...if they're liberal enough. Imagine an Underpriveleged Railroad to free them from Economic Oppression.

No, I don't realistically see it happening, either. But this is what would have to happen to avoid the situation you described.

Blogger ray November 12, 2012 3:28 PM  

"Racial politics are now the rule, and the only way the right can win is to start playing the game and taking advantage of its numerical advantages while it still can. "


gender politics -- not racial politics -- won that election

race is a factor, but the election was a popular mandate for matriarchal america, far more than "black america" or "raza america"

the west has been conquered for three decades by feminism, gender politics, and the scapegoating of males (especially white males) and yet even the losers (repubs) are trying to pretend otherwise

politics, in every sense, is dead anyway, and isn't gonna get the u.s. out of its hell-spiral . . . guys like to blather on endlessly about it, and pontificate brilliantly over its nuances and nooks, while rome burns

Anonymous DonReynolds November 12, 2012 3:29 PM  

Josh..."I honestly think that peaceful secession will happen...like in the Soviet Union...because the collapse of the system will be total...and the government seen to be completely illegitimate and gelded..."

I tend to agree that peaceful secession is the least costly approach, but a better example would be the 1905 peaceful secession, when Norway split off from Sweden. The Norge wanted to go and the Sweedes were glad to see them go. Sound familiar?

I would like to believe that the secessionists in the USA would invoke the Helsenki Accord on Human Rights in 1975, guaranteeing the right of self-determination of all peoples of the world. Or how about Article 73.b of the UN Charter..."to develop self-government, to take due account of the political aspirations of the peoples, and to assist them in the progressive development of their free political institutions, according to the particular circumstances of each territory and its peoples and their varying stages of advancement."


Anonymous JartStar November 12, 2012 3:39 PM  

While we may very well be at the “decline and fall” fall stage of the American Empire I believe it is unfair to say that things are going to hell because the demographics in this chart.

THE STUPID FOOKING WHITE PROTESTANTS managed to get us to the point in which other demographics are now taking over. The minorities/singlewomen/gays could very correctly say that what they are inheriting is a giant turd sandwich which they have no hope of turning around so they might as well get as big as bite of the best part before it is really foul.

It’s like the crazy, violent owner of the bankrupt and corrupt China shop who just got through opening the door, putting a “bulls welcome” signs out front, and laying hay on the ground complaining about the bull going crazy after the owner slapped it with a cattle prod. The bull is responsible for its actions, but the owner set the whole thing up and then runs around complaining about the bull.

Blogger Tiny Tim November 12, 2012 3:50 PM  

This is going to end bad, real bad..... Those who always dominate and come out on top will come out on top, eventually. Those who are born to submit will eventually submit, they always have. Their predeliction to submit is why they vote for the man who bows to dictators. They will go down hard when they go down. They will be traumatized. They are weak. That is why they ALWAYS end up on bottom.....

Anonymous castricv November 12, 2012 3:52 PM  

That's another thing too. If you can't even get 3 out of 4 married white protestants to vote against a man and a party that wants to end their way of life, laugh at their God, bankrupt them morally and financially, and utterly destroy their children's future, why would you expect this country to have any chance?

Blacks are now at the point where their "leaders" at every level can literally do anything and they don't care because to them skin colors is all that matters. 2-4% every election. That's not a block, that's ridiculous. I've told my wife for years, just wait until the national leadership looks like big city leadership. Then whitey will begin to understand.

Anonymous JartStar November 12, 2012 3:53 PM  

I also find it amusing that after so many here on the blog pontificated about Romney and Obama being equally bad that we have to suffer through the typical, “Ima movin’ outta da country!”, and “The South will rise again!”, and “Doooom!” posts about how the amateur that was disinterested in the presidency and loves to play golf has made things worse by being reelected.

If the Titanic is truly sinking does it matter if the minorities on deck paid the band to play ethnic music? Or that the WASPS will be the first in the water and the minorities go in 3 minutes later?

The Titanic can either be saved or it can’t. If you are truly convinced it can’t be saved due to demographics and economics then I suggest you make reasonable preparations and just go and enjoy the band while you can. Complaining about who’s making a playlist for the band and creating the menu is just silly.

That’s why I think that many of the Ilk still had some bit of hope that Mittens was going to pull a small government unicorn out of his magical underwear and make things right even though they stated otherwise.

Anonymous castricv November 12, 2012 4:03 PM  

Jart, I agree with you on your last post. I am making arrangements to find my family a liveable place surrounded by as close to what makes us happy as possible. It pains me because I cannot be sure of my children's happiness in the future, but alas that is always the case. You can only teach them as best you can. Long ago, I realized that too much politics is counter-productive in one's life and is usually the playground of the slightly intelligent, but not quite smart enough to see bigger pictures.

I am commenting here, because while secession seems like a good, even doable idea, I am trying to point out that it is utterly futile in practice.

Anonymous Boetain November 12, 2012 4:33 PM  

I typed "How can I move to" in google and the suggested completions were:

...Canada
...Australia
...Japan
...Australia from the US

I also see Australia has some decent snow skiing as well as excellent beaches. Time to do more research.

Anonymous jay c November 12, 2012 4:48 PM  

Any long-term viable solution must involve dramatically restricting suffrage and imposing some sort of racial segregation, whether official or de-facto. Neither of those will happen without violence.

I don't like any of those things, but it looks to me like that's the way it is.

Blogger Jamie-R November 12, 2012 5:03 PM  

I also see Australia has some decent snow skiing as well as excellent beaches. Time to do more research.

We'll take skilled Americans with a knack for right politics over everyone else. We should get to choose. Brits and Yanks, we'll take, if I was deciding.

Some girl in Georgia got hammered on Twitter for saying we had a Christian, male president, when we have a shit atheist ranga, our first one and our last one! She has stomped all over the economy, her cabinet is about as capable as Saved By The Bell: The New Generation, and she can't even walk straight in India without tripping over her own arse. Even the working class can't stand her, and she only got there cause two former Righties now independents chose her out of revenge for their former party when the 2010 election ended up as a hung parliament. I felt for that girl, sure she was an idiot American who really knew crap all about current events here, but dawww, she was cool.

Anonymous realmatt November 12, 2012 5:09 PM  

I might be falling love with a 21 yr old Russian stripper Libertarian I stalk on Facebook.

But she smokes, so I don't know about this.

Anonymous Cheddarman November 12, 2012 5:24 PM  

That is amazing that Mitt Romney captured 2.4% of the single black woman vote. Who are these women and how can I meet them? It would be fascinating to learn their motivation. - David

My guess is they hit the wrong button

Sincerely

Cheddarman

Blogger Red Bane November 12, 2012 5:34 PM  

Vox says:

:...Then recall that there is not a single white Protestant on the Supreme Court .."

Thank the lord.Let us not forget the Salem witch trials and the "Left behind" series of books.

Anonymous WaterBoy November 12, 2012 5:56 PM  

David: "That is amazing that Mitt Romney captured 2.4% of the single black woman vote. Who are these women and how can I meet them?"

Well, let's see...there's Condoleeza Rice...and, umm...

Blogger Jamie-R November 12, 2012 6:18 PM  

Stacey Dash nigga!

Anonymous Kickass November 12, 2012 6:44 PM  

Maybe I missed it, I am late to the party here. Where you going to mention the wide spread voter fraud at anytime....

Anonymous Kickass November 12, 2012 6:46 PM  

@ Geoff, the only answer is look up! Idols fall for a reason, because the One True God will not tolerate them and is faithful and patient. Look UP. His Kingdom is not of this world.

Anonymous Kickass November 12, 2012 6:49 PM  

Funny story, big family get together this weekend where they were all congratulating themselves on voting for the winner. I asked them if they had ever heard of Newark, NJ or Camden? Of course, of course. I asked if they had ever seen them about fifty years ago. Well...ah...
I asked them if they had seen them recently. Silence.

I asked if they understood what "White Flight" is and if they had a concept of the damage it would do on a state or country level?

Yeah, I don't think I will be invited back to dance with the inlaws.

Anonymous Paradisum November 12, 2012 7:05 PM  

(This comment violates Rule 3 since it's economic in nature but I couldn't believe it and think it was just a little too conveniently timed - maybe it's not entirely off topic since the Big Picture is Obama's reelection.)

WHAT?! Has anyone seen this?  Vox?

U.S. SEEN PASSING SAUDIS AS GLOBAL OIL KING BY 2020

http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/12/us-seen-passing-saudis-global-oil-king-2020/

Blogger James Dixon November 12, 2012 7:06 PM  

Glad to see you made it through the storms OK, Kickass.

Anonymous Paradisum November 12, 2012 7:07 PM  

RB: "Let us not forget the Salem witch trials and the "Left behind" series of books."

...or, you know, the Constitution.

Anonymous WaterBoy November 12, 2012 7:14 PM  

The REAL reason the Romney campaign fell apart: a beached killer (whale) app.

Blogger Jamie-R November 12, 2012 7:16 PM  

...or, you know, the Constitution.

That was the only thing you were supposed to uphold. Funny that.

Exercise on humanity.

Moses addressed this already. Let's see if it links straight away, post-election, this time.

Anonymous Paradisum November 12, 2012 7:16 PM  

castricv: "If you can't even get 3 out of 4 married white protestants to vote against a man and a party that wants to end their way of life, laugh at their God, bankrupt them morally and financially, and utterly destroy their children's future..."

Yeah, but now they're cool and their wives get to live out the fantasy that their boys are down with the struggle.

Blogger Jamie-R November 12, 2012 7:22 PM  

So anyway, Jesus supplanted Moses, and it's good to have those who come in the spirit of the law, considering we're all lawbreakers. America just needs to look at intention. And stop favouring those who are wanting to expand on what was clearly a Jeffersonian democracy that worked so well. James Madison and Thomas Jefferson were like the perfect sort of Western thinkers, people have tried to revisit history and change it, but like their enemies then you just had a bunch of dickheads trying to screw them, yesterday, today and tomorrow, and I guess that's life.

Blogger Rahul November 12, 2012 7:42 PM  

Where does it say anything about Muslims up there? I think they 85% of Muslims voted for O.

Regardless, what's the breakdown for the vote for Gary Johnson.

Voting for Romney was still wrong...he'd start more wars. And O is a disaster as it is...

Blogger Rahul November 12, 2012 7:47 PM  

It's weird that Asians + Jews for Democrats. Based on their income + work ethic, I'd expect them to be more moderate. Yet they vote for Democrats.

Anonymous Godfrey November 12, 2012 8:02 PM  

I blame the Germans who immigrated to the states after the failed revolutions of 1848. The States were far gone by 1965.

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum November 12, 2012 8:29 PM  

"America was founded by married white Protestants of English extraction. Then recall that there is not a single white Protestant on the Supreme Court..."

Unfortunately protestantism is effectively dead in this nation, if not the world over. One million abortions every year, 3000 every day, in this nation... From that number alone, it's obvious that protestantism isn't working. The Catholic Church has an almost total monopoly on the pro-life movement in this nation.

I also wouldn't call the founding fathers "protestants" I'd call them masons, who did not have any nice things to say about Christianity, nor our Blessed Lord and Savior.

Protestantism has had about 500 years, and it is running out of steam. One of two things are going to happen, either America becomes a Catholic nation, or it will succumb to the onslaught of the secular world.

Either way, I'm good. If America becomes Catholic, all the more souls to go to heaven! The Church built the West out of the ruins of Ancient Rome, and if America is destined to fall, then I and other members of the Church founded by the the Son of God out there will be there to pick up the pieces and build something new.

Anonymous Kickass November 12, 2012 8:58 PM  

Thank you James. We survived a hurricane, earthquake, over a foot of snow and a family medical emergency. This was a blessing. God is patient and gives us many chances to wake the hell up......and to see His protection in action.

Anonymous Tad November 12, 2012 10:15 PM  

Someone explain to me the political message that will resonate with enough white protestants to convince them to band together as a party.

(this ought to be good....)

Anonymous The other skeptic November 12, 2012 10:57 PM  


U.S. SEEN PASSING SAUDIS AS GLOBAL OIL KING BY 2020


I think you will find that the Saudi Royal Family are puppets.

Who cares if the kick the Kabaa down the road a while?

Anonymous The Lightworker November 12, 2012 10:58 PM  

Credo in Unum Deum November: "Unfortunately protestantism is effectively dead in this nation, if not the world over. One million abortions every year, 3000 every day, in this nation... From that number alone, it's obvious that protestantism isn't working."

All the more reason why it's all about race now. For the formerly Protestant population, the most important alternate principle of organization has collapsed.

Credo in Unum Deum November: "One of two things are going to happen, either America becomes a Catholic nation, or it will succumb to the onslaught of the secular world."

Given the nature of the post-Vatican II Catholic Church, you can have that cake and eat it too.

Credo in Unum Deum November: "Either way, I'm good."

Not unless you're non-White you're not. And not unless you're comfortable with Nancy Pelosi / Ted Kennedy Catholicism as the way of salvation.

Anonymous Innocent III November 12, 2012 11:07 PM  

Does anyone think that a conservative along the lines of a new William F. Buckley might be able to help re-embolden the conservative ideal?

Anonymous The Lightworker November 12, 2012 11:15 PM  

Rahul: "It's weird that Asians + Jews for Democrats. Based on their income + work ethic, I'd expect them to be more moderate. Yet they vote for Democrats."

The Republican Party is the White Party in that it gets 90% of its votes from Whites, but it doesn't serve Whites or even acknowledge them as a legitimate interest group. Thus Whites lack political representation, and suffer increasing legal disabilities and other woes that could only be remedied politically. The combination of mass non-White immigration into all and only White countries and forced integration and assimilation is genocidal for the Whites, yet the Republican Party is all for it.

The Democratic Party is the anti-White Party. It gets 80% support from all non-Whites, and it does everything it can to build up its clients, including increasing their numbers through mass immigration and giving them free stuff at Whitey's expense.

Asians are non-White and ethnocentric. They naturally go into the anti-White camp, and get rewards, such as political representation and free stuff.

Whether Jews are non-White can be debated, but certainly at least some of them think not (see Mike Wallace saying he is Jewish not White), and they have different interests from (other) Whites, as they are well organized interest and grievance group and don't suffer the legal disabilities of Whites. They naturally go into the anti-White camp, and get rewards, such as political representation and free stuff.

The idea of winning non-White groups over to the Republican Party, and in effect inviting them into the White camp is hopeless. Obviously so while the White camp remains the one that does nothing for those that belong to it.

Anonymous RavenKing November 12, 2012 11:22 PM  

I also wouldn't call the founding fathers "protestants" I'd call them masons, who did not have any nice things to say about Christianity, nor our Blessed Lord and Savior."

ORLY?

"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments." -- Charles Carroll, signer of the Declaration of Independence

"If you ask an American, who is his master? He will tell you he has none, nor any governor but Jesus Christ." -- Jonathan Trumbull, governor of Connecticut

"The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave... These may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institutes of the great Law Giver and Head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament." -- Sam Adams

"I have been alternately called an aristocrat and a democrat. I am now neither. I am a Christocrat. I believe all power. . . will always fail of producing order and happiness in the hands of man. He alone Who created and redeemed man is qualified to govern him." -- Dr. Benjamin Rush

“Since we have a Christian country, it’s the duty of every citizen to select only Christians for their leaders.” -- Abraham Clark, signer of the Declaration of Independence

“The Christian religion is the one that America has been designed to follow, and should the people fail in this, our new nation shall certainly fall.” -- Elbridge Gerry, Vice President under President Madison

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian Nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." -- John Jay, President of the Continental Congress, first Chief Justice of the United States

In circumstances dark as these, it becomes us, as Men and Christians, to reflect that, whilst every prudent Measure should be taken to ward off the impending Judgements....All confidence must be withheld from the Means we use; and reposed only on that GOD who rules in the Armies of Heaven, and without whose Blessing the best human Counsels are but Foolishness--and all created Power Vanity;

"It is the Happiness of his Church that, when the Powers of Earth and Hell combine against it...that the Throne of Grace is of the easiest access--and its Appeal thither is graciously invited by the Father of Mercies, who has assured it, that when his Children ask Bread he will not give them a Stone....

"RESOLVED, That it be, and hereby is recommended to the good People of this Colony of all Denominations, that THURSDAY the Eleventh Day of May next be set apart as a Day of Public Humiliation, Fasting and Prayer...to confess the sins...to implore the Forgiveness of all our Transgression...and a blessing on the Husbandry, Manufactures, and other lawful Employments of this People; and especially that the union of the American Colonies in Defense of their Rights (for hitherto we desire to thank Almighty GOD) may be preserved and confirmed....And that AMERICA may soon behold a gracious Interposition of Heaven." -- John Hancock, signer of the Declaration of Indepedence, President of the Second Continental Congress

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And that's without mentioning John Adams, Daniel Webster, John Quincy Adams, George Washington, Patrick Henry, Alexander Hamilton, or either Muhlenberg brother.

Anonymous kh123 November 13, 2012 12:19 AM  

"Blacks are now at the point where their "leaders" at every level can literally do anything and they don't care because to them skin colors is all that matters."

"Give us Barabbas" is just as catchy as "By Any Means Necessary".

Blogger LarryGriff November 13, 2012 9:24 AM  

That exit poll should have had a category for voters who paid income taxes. I suspect I know which way that group voted.

Anonymous Godfrey November 13, 2012 9:45 AM  

Yes Ravenking, clutch desperately to the myth.

Anonymous RavenKing November 13, 2012 10:15 AM  

So...I present quotes from a variety of individual Founders speaking favorably about Christ and/or Christianity which directly contradict the unsubstantiated assertion that the Founders "did not have any nice things to say about Christianity, nor our Blessed Lord and Savior", and I'm the one who's clutching desperately to myth?

Got it.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box November 13, 2012 11:24 AM  

Actually, the Morons were outnumbered by the Old Farts, almost all of whom voted for socialism in 1932 and more socialism in 1964.
More women voted for 0bama than Robbery.
Perhaps Todd Akin & Richard Mourdock could explain the obvious WHY to you in terms you'd understand:
When you alienate your own base plus half the population, your chances of getting elected drop off a cliff!

Anonymous orlok November 13, 2012 1:39 PM  

Thank you Don Reynolds for your sane and timely avocation of mutual separation, i would also note the Czech's and the Slovaks did the same. One thing the states lack for successful separation is courage and desire. I have some ideas (and you'll see for your self why it cant work )If a business owner refused to collect taxes from his workers ( and he was followed by business owners elsewhere he would be attacked and imprisoned, additionally he would have to put personal liberty ahead of profits.
If our elected officials wrote a declaration of independence they would be arrested most likely before any group of like minded individuals could be gathered to defend them. So with the end of being free from taxation without representation, how would one go about creating this movement. facebook? farmers markets ?

Anonymous E. PERLINE November 13, 2012 1:47 PM  

Republicans, when you give it your best shot and fail, you have to change your approach.

The Dems gave away the store in the form of entitlements. They didn't worry about future sustainability. And they won the election. The Republicans should take their cues from that.

!. People are solipsistic. There's no need for Republicans to hew the line. People an masse forget everything from one moment to another.

2. Blur the difference between the parties. Make the New Republicans just like the old Democrats.

3. Say "me too" to all freebies that the Dems promise. Deal with the fallout later.

4. Claim you are in favor of unlimited immigration. We need cheap labor too.

4. Don't discuss controversial issues of reproduction. If you must answer, tell them what they want to hear.

4. Don't let a pesky detail like overspending become too great a topic. Deal with it after you are in office.

5. Give fervent lip service to what the the environmentalists want. Later, do what reality demands. Voters won't faulted you for it.

If the New Republicans are now indistinguishable from the old Democrats, there will be a similar number of positions won, and arguments can now take place on an equal basis.

Anonymous kh123 November 13, 2012 6:27 PM  

"So with the end of being free from taxation without representation, how would one go about creating this movement."

Not so much the method, but an idea: A boilerplate letter to the IRS, declaring that after figuring what one "owes" in taxes for their particular bracket that year, that they've decided to pay 10% of it to the federal gov't, the rest being issued to childrens' cancer research (hospital or organization of choice), with a receipt showing as much - adding that one feels that this money is better spend on directly saving children here rather than bombing them abroad.

Anonymous orlok November 14, 2012 7:16 AM  

KH123 - The constitution laid out the tax laws pretty plain and fair. I see no reason to deal with an unconstitutional tax in any form. We need to dissolve this union and find a new one that is pared down and capable of standing alone and independent of this 'New World Order' that is being foist upon us. If we only separate for ourselves we are doomed to failure. My God says there WILL be a global rule. He doesn't say what form that will ultimately take. If we can carve a Switzerland out in these parts we will have done something commendable. I am pessimistic at this time, but willing to change my outlook if inspired by a realizable solution.

Anonymous Luke November 14, 2012 12:25 PM  

Castricv posted:

"If they were serious all hell would break loose and I no longer believe that you can be sure white would come out on top...."

You've clearly never read Victor Davis Hanson's "Carnage and Culture". I predict that if you did so, you would radically change your opinion about whites' prospects in the coming civil wars in North America.

Anonymous Geoff-UK November 14, 2012 8:41 PM  

Wish Vox would do a piece on various alternatives to the U.S.: including his current preference, Italy, natch...and Canada (cold enough to die in winter, too much boreal forest, gun ownership restrictions), Australia (not a lot of arable land, vulnerable to a Chinese takeover, ridiculous gun laws), Switzerland (awesome choice, just be ridiculously rich first or marry a Swiss Miss). If I looked and could speak Spanish, I might consider Chile or Argentina.

Damn, was so easy to decide where to go in 1920s Germany or Italy--USA was too obvious. Where to now? Someone get working on those spaceships to Earth-like planets, chop-chop.

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