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Friday, November 16, 2012

No, don't move

Karl Denninger inadvertantly recommends spreading the Blue virus:
[T]he people of California passed a ballot measure to tax themselves and give the money not to a state program but rather to a bunch of banksters.  There's no solution to stupidity that is lawful; your only lawful option if you live in that craphole called California where people vote to steal your money using the guns of the government as a means to compel you to to turn it over and then give it to a bunch of thieves on Wall Street -- not even spending it on a program to benefit you and your children -- is to move.
While it is moderately amusing to think of the devout goodthinkers of California patting themselves on the bank as they  piously vote to raise taxes that use the California schools as a funnel to the banksters, it is a mistake to permit Californians to go anywhere but another proud blue state.  Because it's only a matter of time before the ex-Californians start looking around and wondering if life wouldn't be better for everyone if things were done the wonderful way they were back in California.

And aside from New Yorkers, I've never known any group of people more dedicated to informing you of their origins than Californians.  It was bad enough at my university that the one girl from Minnesota used to roll her eyes and sarcastically mutter "hey, Minnesota buddy!" in my direction if we both happened to be in the vicinity of two Californians congratulating each other on their mutual state of residence.  Granted, they're not quite as obnoxious as Parisians, but it's still ridiculous.

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Anonymous JN November 16, 2012 2:21 PM  

Where are my Wichita Falls buddies?

Outlaw? Anyone?

Blogger Rev. Right November 16, 2012 2:30 PM  

A clear indication that liberalism is actually a mental disorder is the propensity for them to foul their nest, then move somewhere unsullied and start the process all over again. Oregon, Washington, Nevada, Colorado, Arizona amd Montana have experienced various degrees of blueing from the influx of solid liberals fleeing the blight and dysfunction their unshakeable beliefs have inflicted on the richest piece of real estate on the planet. If liberalism can do that to the Sierras and the San Joaquin Valley, just think what it can do to the Great Basin and High Plains.

That's the border that needs a fence.

Blogger Giraffe November 16, 2012 2:32 PM  

Colorado is probably the best example of Blue infestation.

Blogger Giraffe November 16, 2012 2:33 PM  

But, WTSHTF, we will all bleed red. Hardship builds character, dontcha know.

Anonymous Lysander Spooner November 16, 2012 2:37 PM  

Born and raised in New York till age sixteen.

Left my feminazi mother at age 16 and moved to the heart of Dixie, Georgia, to be exact, and that is where my heart will stay.

Blogger ajw308 November 16, 2012 2:37 PM  

Giraffe, I met my wife in CO and she's from Montana where I have in-laws. It's going on everywhere.

Anonymous JI November 16, 2012 2:43 PM  

You are so right, Vox! I've lived in the western states (except California) most of my life and have seen the horrors of Californication firsthand. They sell their shacks for a million bucks, move to another nearby state and buy a house for cash, raising the average prices of houses out of the reach of the locals in the process. Then, with all that money in the bank from selling their overpriced hovel, they can buy enough influence to change the new location into a hellhole similar to California. I struggle to determine which is worse - the descendants of the Aztecs using us as humans sacrifices with their violent crime, or the liberal Californians who poison the minds of our youth. Maybe the latter because, without them, there would be a fence along the southern border by now to keep out the Aztecs.

Anonymous Salt November 16, 2012 2:46 PM  

What California needs is a good tuition hike.

Blogger Stogie November 16, 2012 2:50 PM  

While it is moderately amusing to think of the devout goodthinkers of California patting themselves on the bank as they piously vote to raise taxes that use the California schools as a funnel to the banksters, it is a mistake to permit Californians to go anywhere but another proud blue state. Because it's only a matter of time before the ex-Californians start looking around and wondering if life wouldn't be better for everyone if things were done the wonderful way they were back in California.

You ignorant dick. There are bedrock conservatives in every state, including California. Who is going to "permit" Californians to go elsewhere, you? How are you going to do that?

Anonymous Josh November 16, 2012 2:55 PM  

You ignorant dick. There are bedrock conservatives in every state, including California. Who is going to "permit" Californians to go elsewhere, you? How are you going to do that?

Looks like you're proving Vox's point.

Ya pinko commie vegan fag.

Anonymous Cheddarman November 16, 2012 2:56 PM  

If we could wall off Cleveland, or better yet, bulldoze it into lake Erie Ohio, would be a decent state again. My pappy is from the farthest north county in the U.S. to vote for Barry Goldwater in 1964. There is a strong libertarian streak there as well, they drove out the recruiters for the Union Army with the local militia, back in the beginning of the U.S. Civil war. The county is settled mostly by Germans who came to america in the early 1800's.

One great thing about Ohio, no one ever moves here for the weather.

sincerely


Cheddarman

Blogger Nate November 16, 2012 2:56 PM  

"How are you going to do that?"

I recommend snipers covering the border... with particularly scary looking weapons that were banned in California for being so scary looking.

Dick.

Blogger Tiny Tim November 16, 2012 3:02 PM  

I would invite you Californians to Texas but we have no jobs, horrible weather, overcrowding, the highest state income tax in the nation, no unemplyment insurance or food stamp program, limits on the number of mexican food restaurants allowed, and racist rednecks under every rock who form lynch mobs for entertainment on the weekends. Otherwise, you would be welcome.....

Anonymous Hammer6 Actual November 16, 2012 3:06 PM  

During the being of the migration out of CA to NV (and elsewhere) in the early 90's, there were sign up at the NV DMV:

"Don't quote CA regulations, you aren't in CA anymore!"

Never saw much of that in the gun stores tho'.

Anonymous Noah B. November 16, 2012 3:07 PM  

Don't listen to Vox. Texas is a great place for Californians to come, and if you're interested, I can make you a great deal on some property in majestic Pecos or Fort Stockton.

Anonymous Josh November 16, 2012 3:08 PM  

I recommend snipers covering the border... with particularly scary looking weapons that were banned in California for being so scary looking.

Or just ban the sale of Astroglide

Anonymous Elmer Fudge (friend of Sexual Chocolate) November 16, 2012 3:09 PM  

This is a pretty mind-blowing conversation. The battle plan is being laid...

(The next step, after we get our shite together)

Reagan was trying to do this. We have to find a way to catch up to the Russians. This is the new "cold war." Specifically, to be able to counter the Yakuza. This is not science-fiction. I don't think Russia, is as much our enemy today, as the U.S.S.R. was. It the simple fact, that they don't trust our hijacked govt. (neither should we) That is why it is critical for Americans to retake their nation. Otherwise, a scalar can be used as a continental EMP. (and worse)

The Creator, has stayed his hand up to this point in time. We never know when he will remove his hand. We should stop trying his patience. History reminds of the Babylonian captivity. It can certainly happen again...

Anonymous Noah B. November 16, 2012 3:10 PM  

"Or just ban the sale of Astroglide"

Can't. Riots.

Blogger IM2L844 November 16, 2012 3:11 PM  

I don't need to try and stop Californians from going elsewhere. I just need to stop them from coming here. Californians had no problem turning away starving American refugees from the dust bowl. One good turn deserves another.

Anonymous Noah B. November 16, 2012 3:12 PM  

Oh, you meant ban it OUTSIDE CA... that just might work.

Anonymous Josh November 16, 2012 3:17 PM  

Dread, just how many narcotics are you on?

Anonymous TLM November 16, 2012 3:19 PM  

Chedderman-Are you nuts?
In addition to Cleveland you have Cincinnati, Dayton, Columbus. They all have the same problem. Starts with N and ends with s. Ohio sucks.

Blogger Nate November 16, 2012 3:21 PM  

" Otherwise, a scalar can be used as a continental EMP. (and worse) "

Which really wouldn't be much of a big deal. Hate to burst your bubble...

Anonymous Impraxical November 16, 2012 3:37 PM  

As a resident of California, the passing of the prop 30 tax increase is much less disturbing than the fact that democrats gained enough seats in the state congress to prevent republicans from blocking tax increases. The only question left is how long are they going to wait before they drag the state economy down with the failing state government.

Anonymous Salt November 16, 2012 3:42 PM  

The only question left is how long are they going to wait before they drag the state economy down with the failing state government.

INTRADE. Place your bets :)

Blogger Giraffe November 16, 2012 3:51 PM  

Can we let Mexico have California back?

Anonymous Daniel November 16, 2012 3:55 PM  

Mexico doesn't want them.

Anonymous HamburgerHelper November 16, 2012 3:58 PM  

"Who is going to "permit" Californians to go elsewhere, you? How are you going to do that?"

With a Savage 110BA in 300 Win Mag and a Nightforce scope, maybe?

Anonymous Athor Pel November 16, 2012 3:58 PM  

" Nate November 16, 2012 3:21 PM

" Otherwise, a scalar can be used as a continental EMP. (and worse) "

Which really wouldn't be much of a big deal. Hate to burst your bubble..."




OK, please tell us why tens of millions of people starving to death or being eaten by their fellow citizens is not a big deal. I understand that most of them are in progressive states with extremely large urban areas full of excitable vibrant youths but that still doesn't mean they're all worth letting die.


Anonymous willneverpostagain November 16, 2012 3:58 PM  

Mexico already has it. It even comes with Americans and their money.

Blogger Giraffe November 16, 2012 4:05 PM  

With a Savage 110BA in 300 Win Mag and a Nightforce scope, maybe?

Ruger 10/22. Californians aren't that tough.

Anonymous Mr. Nightstick November 16, 2012 4:07 PM  

You really can't stop us. We've been trained by Mexican infiltration specialists.

Anonymous GI Josephine November 16, 2012 4:12 PM  

"With a Savage 110BA in 300 Win Mag and a Nightforce scope, maybe?

Ruger 10/22. Californians aren't that tough."

Bring on the Airsoft patrol!!

Blogger Bob November 16, 2012 4:19 PM  

I would invite you Californians to Texas but we have no jobs, horrible weather, overcrowding, the highest state income tax in the nation, no unemplyment insurance or food stamp program, limits on the number of mexican food restaurants allowed, and racist rednecks under every rock who form lynch mobs for entertainment on the weekends. Otherwise, you would be welcome.....

True, true.

But you forget to mention the really bad stuff... the stuff they only learn after they move here.

We have earthquakes so severe that California news outlets refuse to mention them.

And that's just for starters.

Anonymous Daniel November 16, 2012 4:20 PM  

Speaking of migrants, McAfee has gone viral.

Blogger Ingemar November 16, 2012 4:34 PM  

I misread Parisians as Persians....

I had an Iranian classmate warn me never to date Persians. Most stuck up bitches on the planet, he says.

Anonymous Noah B. November 16, 2012 4:34 PM  

"If you walk into any Radio Shack store, as FoxNews.com did this past week, you can pay cash for a burner phone, providing nothing but a made-up name for the record books. The phone is completely untraceable -- there’s no way to tie the phone purchase to a specific person."

Your name might not be on the account, but the phone is still traceable by many methods. Link analysis can determine the likely owner of a phone based on the calls made to and from that phone. Accounts for these phones likely also contain a record of your location history, which can be used to narrow down the possible owner of such a phone to one or a few individuals.

OpenID sandalwould November 16, 2012 4:42 PM  

Aside from California being my home, the place I am tied to first by circumstance then by choice, I refuse to leave lest I become like the immigrants I denounce. If the ship is sinking it is the crew's responsibility to fix it, rather than abandon it. It's irresponsible to mess something up and let others clean it. It's the obligation and duty of the native son to right his and his ancestor's wrongs.

Anonymous OCS November 16, 2012 5:00 PM  

Born, raised, and currently live in the lovely Island Nation of Hawaii. I'm also currently confused about Puerto Rico's aspirations of being part of the Union.

Anonymous JCclimber November 16, 2012 5:01 PM  

It's really quite simple. You want to keep Kalifornian's out? Then make your area inhospitable to everyone who has the blue state mindset.

End your local welfare payments. Permanently, make it part of your state constitution that all new taxes require an 85% majority to pass. Make it law that each household own at least 1 firearm with at least 1 person per household trained in its use. Require picture ID at voting booth. Raise the voting age to 25. Make sure that new residents cannot vote in any state or local elections for 10 years after establishing permanent residency in the state. Eliminate all minimum wage laws.

There, you just made my family want to move to your state. You don't even need to pass anti-immigration laws against non-US citizens.

Anonymous Tom B November 16, 2012 5:03 PM  

Yankees in general are obnoxious, but NY'ers are a special breed. I got into a rather loud argument once with a NY'er, which was threatening to turn into a fight. He proceeded to announce in a loud voice that I'd better not mess with him because he was from Brooklyn.

To which I answered "Oh no! He's using geography on me! Well, sparky, I'm your worst nightmare then. I'm a redneck from North Florida with a 121 IQ and a ghetto pass"

No fight after that. He backed down. True story.

Anonymous JCclimber November 16, 2012 5:06 PM  

Also, those of you who wish to keep out Kali residents, you must love your local blue voters.
Maybe we can work out an exchange system between states.

Yep, this will never happen because every state in this union has either a majority or a large minority of big government leeches. And even those who are red staters LOVE them some soldiers, some police, some firefighters.

It's only about 10% of people who even seriously would support the small government model, and about 4% total who would actually take physical action on that belief. When the financial storm breaks, the vast, vast majority will go along with politicians who promise safety and security.

Anonymous Boogeyman November 16, 2012 5:20 PM  

What if you can prove you've voted against all of this crap in the last 4 elections? I'm here, I have, and I'm just about ready to move back to New Mexico. Have family there. Not quite Texas on the leave me the fuck alone scale, but I've lived there a little while as a kid. I will miss the climate, the mountains, redwoods and oceans. Love the land, can't stand the fruits and nuts any more.

Anonymous Outlaw X November 16, 2012 5:22 PM  

The overall IQ of this blog just keeps increasing.

Anonymous Outlaw X November 16, 2012 5:30 PM  

JN, I got two nephews up there in Wichita Falls with you.

Anonymous Anonymous November 16, 2012 6:18 PM  

Stuck here in CA as it swirls. What can I say. I understand why people don't want people from CA in their beautiful states and I agree with JCclimber - you want to keep people from destroying what you have you better pass laws that prevent them from messing with you - everything he said and the 10 years to vote - you need to add - two generations before you can run for office - so first generation born there cannot but the next can. AND #1 - make sure you control the public education because that, immigration (legal and illegal) of people who d not assimilate and the judiciary is what has sunk us. To vote require, Citizenship, ID, tax payers or property owners, English only ballots, (no multi-language ballots) and take the vote away from women... Said by a woman, in California!

Anonymous Sojourner November 16, 2012 6:25 PM  

People want to tell you from California the most? Obviously you haven't run into too many Texans...

As for California, well I'm stuck for the time being. We'll see what happens and in the meantine be on my knees in prayer that somehow this state will remember what it was despite EVERYTHING that would point otherwise. But what is faith without the idea that a few mountains need moving.

Blogger tz November 16, 2012 6:30 PM  

Since most of the indolent moochers and looters are on the coast, global warming raising the Sea Level doesn't seem like such a bad thing, as long as it happens as fast as Noah's flood.

Don't underestimate the Mediterranean climate - Jim Puplava (financialsense.com) will never leave because he can sail all year. Apparently he doesn't mind being the moocher's bitch. But sometimes they "have enough". His co-host is in Idaho. But he tells the story last week of "Mark" who had enough.

Obamacare is ubiquitous. So the move might be to copy CA to the USA as a whole. CA is attracting a lot of other US citizens, but only those who receive federal benefits. I think it was 10M over the last decade, only a few hundred thousand were taxpayers. (which is why the sales tax increase - maybe the MMTs think if everyone paid 100% sales tax we could just recycle things in a constant loop).

Watch. Next year at least one, Google, Apple, Intel, will open an engineering and management center just over a border, saying you can take a 20% pay-cut, but be ahead with a 30% tax cut, or whatever the numbers are, and if it is Apple, the Steve Jobs memorial donut (Homer Simpson uses an iPhone?), will lose their do-nauts, becoming a do-naught. But many are already naughty and do nothing anyway.

Anonymous paleopaleo November 16, 2012 6:30 PM  

California could have an operating surplus in its 2014-2015 fiscal year of more than $1 billion, which could grow to more than $9 billion in the 2017-2018 year, according to the report.

Anonymous Daniel November 16, 2012 6:35 PM  

You guys are overthinking it. If you don't own, debt-free 1 acre of land and aren't male, you don't vote. Exception: if you have personally shot someone in defense of your sovereign nation, you can vote if you are a man, or your husband can, even if you don't own a full acre.

This alone will eliminate the blue tendency for voting for mommy, and the red tendency for voting for petty tyrants.

Anonymous TheoConfidor November 16, 2012 6:35 PM  

I too currently reside in the destitute and self-destructive land of California. I vote against all the politicians and measures the pass, but democracy renders my opinion utterly useless.

Even before the election my hatred of California has been growing and encouraging me to leave the state. Until now, I mainly was living here because of my parents, siblings and groups of friends, but I've been strongly considering leaving for quite some time.

Are there any states in the nation that are not sociologically suicidal?

Anonymous DJJ November 16, 2012 6:37 PM  

Please don't lump the people of the rest of NY State with the people of Westchester County New York City and Long Island.

We hate them more than you do.

Anonymous Anonymous November 16, 2012 7:40 PM  

The people who authored those propositions are Yankee lawyers and the people who voted for them are illiterate Mexicans. The rest of the country always forgets California has been invaded by Non-Californians who run everything and ruin everything. It's not natives who put Moonbeam in office again.

Yankees have no respect for our freedom. Rednecks have no damn culture. Mexicans could care less for the "White Man's Learnin" And the mid-west morons just want to be movie stars. I haven't even mentioned, fascist Asians, Hippie Burnouts, Armenian/Flat Head Gangsters.

See Here: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/California-shows-increase-in-native-population-3163810.php

It will be a while before our natural disdain for Rednecks, Yankee Scum and mid-west morons is restored by the freedom our wild west environment inoculates. You rubes believe everything you see on T.V. and actually think we obey the law and pay all our taxes.

I would leave the state, but I was born here. Everyone I ever met from another state or country is 10X stupider than our dumbest natives. The rest of the world is a bunch of ideological narrow minded simpletons. The problem is finding an actual native. We are out numbered by domestic and foreign immigrants. If another state ever becomes more livable, all the scum of America and the rest of the world will congregate there also. And hopefully leave us alone.

A Real Californian says screw you tards.

Anonymous Dan in Tx (Redneck anti-California bigot) November 16, 2012 7:49 PM  

Dang, turn my back to do some work and I miss all this good anti-California bigotry!

Blogger Rev. Right November 16, 2012 7:53 PM  

paleopaleo:
California could have an operating surplus in its 2014-2015 fiscal year of more than $1 billion, which could grow to more than $9 billion in the 2017-2018 year, according to the report.
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To quote the linked article:
"But the office cautioned that its forecast depends on a number of factors, including steady economic growth, rising stock prices and state leaders holding down spending."

As regards those three factors: doubtful, really doubful, and get the fuck out of here.

Anonymous Dan in Tx November 16, 2012 7:55 PM  

Anon says: "Yankees have no respect for our freedom. Rednecks have no damn culture. Mexicans could care less for the "White Man's Learnin" And the mid-west morons just want to be movie stars. I haven't even mentioned, fascist Asians, Hippie Burnouts, Armenian/Flat Head Gangsters." "A Real Californian says screw you tards."

And once again, the point gets made without even trying.



Blogger mmaier2112 November 16, 2012 8:02 PM  

paleopaleo:
California could have an operating surplus in its 2014-2015 fiscal year of more than $1 billion, which could grow to more than $9 billion in the 2017-2018 year, according to the report.


Gee, this wouldn't be one of those "static models" that assume the economic activity will be the same and the rich will sit still and accept their screwing, would it?

Anonymous whtbread November 16, 2012 9:06 PM  

"And aside from New Yorkers, I've never known any group of people more dedicated to informing you of their origins than Californians."

To that I say you've never met anyone from Texas. Some of them will put New Yorkers to shame with their pride in the "Lone Star State."
Anonymous has a lot of good points about why our state is the way it is. It's really a tragic story when you see what happened to the state but in a lot of ways it grew too large too fast. Everyone and their brother flooded into the state and people became overly optimistic about the future. If I had to boil it down I would say that the two biggest things that destroyed the state were mexicans and the cult of environmentalism that was written into the law with very large teeth to enforce it.

Anonymous ENthePeasant November 16, 2012 9:30 PM  

So says the man from a bluest of blue states, with a long and deeply held socialist streak. I hate to defend Californians but it's important to give this state context. Scandos from Minnesota came here in droves for most of my life. There were 2.7 million Californians when I was born. My Dad was from Minneapolis he was the only one out of his five brothers and one sister who dropped the democratic habit. After having an unexpected amount of travel in my life lately I have to say that California is not a frigid Midwest shithole, which is why socialist Scandos flock here and now Arizona, which they are changing irrevocably for the worse. As a man of history VD, you sure are short sighted on this. It's more like Californians are reinfecting the host. As for us getting excited about seeing each other, I'm guilty. Spending two hours in Minneapolis can make you practically giddy to see someone who doesn't by culture have the personality of a Seconal imbiber at the end of the day. Coffee can't save that place. I'm also thinking about leaving California, but where is the question? Someone got any answers on that?

Anonymous outlaw x November 16, 2012 9:35 PM  

"California, but where is the question? Someone got any answers on that? "

I would appreciate you move anywhere but Texas. Thanks.

Anonymous Rekrapt November 16, 2012 10:45 PM  

I have lived on the Mississippi Gulf Coast for over 40 years. Many years ago it was called the "Riviera of the South." Over the last few years we have seen more and more Californians move down here and start businesses. I have heard that they love our "quaint" beaches and laid-back lifestyle. This trend is growing. More and more folks moving here are from California. They are bringing their politics with them too. Our coastline is one of the last under-developed beaches in the United States. It seems to me that the nuts from CA have decided to come here - of all places - and "work their magic." God help us.

Blogger Nate November 16, 2012 10:56 PM  

"I would leave the state, but I was born here. Everyone I ever met from another state or country is 10X stupider than our dumbest natives. The rest of the world is a bunch of ideological narrow minded simpletons. The problem is finding an actual native. We are out numbered by domestic and foreign immigrants. If another state ever becomes more livable, all the scum of America and the rest of the world will congregate there also. And hopefully leave us alone."

Where in we see a Californian go out of his way to prove Vox's point.

Blogger Nate November 16, 2012 10:59 PM  

The South has no culture.... I love that... Faulkner? Ya heard of him? Harper Lee? Ringing any bells? And in terms of contributions to the cultural world... Jazz... and The Blues... were both created in the South.

The Greatest Band to come out of California... Made their living convincing everyone they actually came from the South: Credence.

The South is one of the few places in the Nation that actually has made real cultural contributions to the world.

Anonymous Koanic November 16, 2012 11:16 PM  

Fungi gotta fruit, same as worms.

How dare you deny the r biological imperative.

Prepare to be outgrouped!

Millions of vaginas shifted from neutral to first no.

Anonymous Noah B. November 17, 2012 12:20 AM  

"California could have an operating surplus in its 2014-2015 fiscal year of more than $1 billion, which could grow to more than $9 billion in the 2017-2018 year, according to the report."

What's the plan here -- have the state win every state lottery from now on?

Anonymous Outlaw X November 17, 2012 1:01 AM  

contributions to the cultural world... Jazz... and The Blues... were both created in the South."

There would be no rock as we know it if it wasn't for the Mississippi Delta blues.

Anonymous VD November 17, 2012 2:04 AM  

So says the man from a bluest of blue states, with a long and deeply held socialist streak.

Ironically, my background on one side is pure native Californian. I grew up in Minnesota, but I have no family heritage there.

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 17, 2012 2:09 AM  

Impraxical:
the passing of the prop 30 tax increase is much less disturbing than the fact that democrats gained enough seats in the state congress to prevent republicans from blocking tax increases. The only question left is how long are they going to wait before they drag the state economy down with the failing state government.

Not to worry, the Dem super-majority (elected by all them natural conservatives who colonized since the last amnesty in 1986) are counting on borrowing some more from those who have the magic decoder ring which allows them to drive-thru Uncle Bennie's trash-for-cash discount window. Bankstas can create walkin' around money at the touch of a button. Taxes, you say? Hell, taxes are for little people as the great late Saint Leona always said.

Anonymous Roundtine November 17, 2012 9:42 AM  

The best example is Massholes. It's one thing to move from north to south. There would be some change no matter what when two culturally different areas see movement of people. But many Massholes move to New Hampshire because the taxes are lower. They still commute to work in and around Boston everyday. After a few years and a steady flow, they started pushing for income taxes and sales taxes.

Anonymous Daniel November 17, 2012 10:01 AM  

The South has no culture.... I love that... Faulkner? Ya heard of him? Harper Lee? Ringing any bells? And in terms of contributions to the cultural world... Jazz... and The Blues... were both created in the South.

The Greatest Band to come out of California... Made their living convincing everyone they actually came from the South: Credence.

The South is one of the few places in the Nation that actually has made real cultural contributions to the world.


Nate,

Don't ever leave Flannery O'Connor off that list again, please.

And even though the SEC isn't as great as you think it is, you are dead on about the South, and I don't even live there.

Hell, even the cesspools in the south have character. Think about it: when a community in the west turns into a latrine, you get L.A. When a community in the north turns into a latrine, you get Detroit.

When a community in the south turns into a latrine...you get New Orleans.

If we didn't have southern culture, we would be left with the shell holdover of the Twit Olympics in New England, the hardworking bland silence of the midwest, a little bit of geography in the west, and vapid celebrity worship.

The south has its issues (it accepts Nate as a full member, after all) but culture isn't one of them.

What an ignorant comment.

Anonymous jcw November 17, 2012 1:29 PM  

I'm with you, Roundtine. They've wrecked the state. I think we were the last state to recognize the Martin Luther King holiday and just last week we elected two democrat representatives and a democrat governor. We've come a long way, baby. I'm embarrassed to live in NH.

Anonymous Anonymous November 17, 2012 5:37 PM  

It makes me sad to hear about NH - I grew up in MA and loved the idea of the FSP even though - stuck here I could not go there. It appears that that effort has been and epic failure.

As for slurs on the South - there is without a doubt more class, kindness, grace and culture in a mobile home park anywhere in Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky - than there is in the wealthiest parts of LA.

Yes - you can certainly find scum in those poor southern places but you also find humility, grace, dignity, honor and down to earth people in far more abundance than many other places. You certainly cannot find much of that in any rich or poor neighborhoods in LA, not in the abundance you find it in the deep south. I love me some sweet tea, barbecue with coleslaw!

Maybe...? Just maybe - given California's fantastic climate for growing, our beautiful mountains and beaches we could start a movement to have all people from other blue states come help us save this state.

If everyone moved here from the medium blue states and the bluest of states in the rest of the country - leave the beautiful red states alone - but get all the conservatives in Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Michigan, Mass (yes they do exist!), NH, Vermont - all of you come move here and we will be able to take the 55 electoral votes and put them in the red column and turn this dang state and maybe the country around. California has an enormous number of Congress people too - what a powerful block it could be if we could repatriate conservatives to this state!

(*you can now stop choking with laughter please*)

I know - I know - why would anyone of sound mind do that - wishful thinking on my part.

For those of you laughing at California - please send up a prayer for us once in awhile. There are fewer and fewer sane people here which makes it an ever harder burden to bare. I have fought the good fight and been ostracized and financially harmed because I have tried to educate others. I am no Christ - I cannot heal the blind. My children are why I make the effort at all. They are also why I am stuck here.

God bless America and God help us all...


(Anon. ~ captive California)

Anonymous Gerd November 17, 2012 7:02 PM  

I have never understood why the Dems are associated with "Blue' when obviously "Red" is the traditional color for lefties. I will bet you dimes to dimwits that some media propagandist chose blue to show how true blue they are.

Anyway, I will not listen listen to any more Politics until October, 2016. That goes for Kardashians as well. Anything to do with the Mideast or Miley Cyrus. Oh, and Lindsey Lohan.

Anonymous Anonymous November 19, 2012 6:16 PM  

it is a mistake to permit Californians to go anywhere but another proud blue state. Because it's only a matter of time before the ex-Californians start looking around and wondering if life wouldn't be better for everyone if things were done the wonderful way they were back in California

Actually, about 30-40% of the population here, is conservative. Very, very frustrated conservatives, as there aren't quite enough of us to actually win elections, but yes, we're here.

Methinks it is mainly the white liberals who run from the hell they've created -- and then replicate it in other states. Conservatives are braver and/or better armed, and are harder to drive out. Most conservatives in California have no intention whatsoever of leaving. Sooner or later, we expect, the winds of history will blow our way again.

If I have the $$ to get a proposition on the ballot, it would be something like this:

Article 1. The Constitution of the State of California, and all the Laws of of the State of California, are hereby repealed; except that Proposition 13 is retained.
Article 2. The Constitution of the State of Texas, is hereby adopted as the Constitution of California, and the Laws of the State of Texas are adopted as the Laws of California.

Our Slogan: No New Taxes -- Yes, New Texas!

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