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Friday, November 16, 2012

Petraeus starts talking

Two interesting bits of news to surface today:
1.  "Representative Peter King stated that former CIA Director David Petraeus stated that he knew the Benghazi attack was terrorism and that the talking points given to Ambassador Susan Rice were different from the ones prepared by the CIA. Petraeus stated Rice's talking points were edited to demphasized the possibility of terrorism."

2.  "Reports from those who listened to recordings of the pleas for help coming from the Benghazi Consulate on September 11 that caused Marine Ty Woods to disobey orders and fight to defend the consulate suggest that the tapes are “damning” proof of the Obama Administration’s mishandling of the attacks."
I'd provide the links, but that's all there was.  It looks like Obama could be a lame duck a lot sooner than his two-term predecessors were.   There are going to be a lot of people interested in discovering who edited the CIA notes and why.

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58 Comments:

Anonymous DrTorch November 16, 2012 5:10 PM  

Obama 1- Terrorists 17+

Although I'm not sure there is enough incentive to stoke the fires of impeachment. Libs don't care about lives, they just want power. "One death is a tragedy, four is a statistic"

Anonymous vanchandler November 16, 2012 5:11 PM  

well... this could get interesting VERY quickly

Anonymous JartStar November 16, 2012 5:13 PM  

Politically, doing nothing to defend the embassy was a stupid move. 80%+ of the nation would have been behind Obama if he’d called in the military to defend the embassy. I’m not fond of Obama or his foreign policy but nobody gets to attack our embassy and kill the people inside of it without a response.

Anonymous ArcaneRhino November 16, 2012 5:19 PM  

"well... this could get interesting VERY quickly"

This SHOULD get interesting very quickly. Remember, however, this the current media supported United States democracy where... OH HEY LOOK! A DOG WITH A FLUFFY TAIL!

Anonymous Porky? November 16, 2012 5:23 PM  

well... this could get interesting VERY quickly

Lol. Yeah I'm sure Obama is right on the verge of breaking down and confessing. Any day now. The relentless pressure from the media must be driving him nuts.

Anonymous Idle Pepper Brooks November 16, 2012 5:27 PM  

How did this man become president?

It might be because he is black Vox!

I feel shocked!

Anonymous Jeigh Di November 16, 2012 5:27 PM  

"It looks like Obama could be a lame duck a lot sooner than his two-term predecessors were."

One may hope. The less this president is able to "accomplish", the better.

Anonymous scoobius dubious November 16, 2012 5:29 PM  

I'm sure there are plenty of ways to take this out of Obama's hide politically, if the opposition had the will (which I sorely doubt). But I don't think impeachment is going to be one of them. The constitutional grounds for impeachment are sort of restricted, and I don't think "misjudgement" or "bad call" are included therein. If it turns out there was some sort of egregious black-ops skullduggery going on in the background similar to Iran-Contra (e.g. funnelling money and weapons to the wrong people through the wrong channels for the wrong reasons) then it could be even more costly from a political viewpoint. But I don't see a clear avenue to an impeachment proceeding, much less a successful one given the congressional makeup. Plus the MSM will do anything and everything to obscure, obstruct and counterattack on behalf of President Boyfriend.

But, may as well try everything. It's kitchen-sink politics for the next four years, if any of these GOP pussies can stand it. After all, in the midst of a melting economy, the Dems had the nerve to make their electoral stand on egregious horseshit like an imaginary "war on women" and they got away with it.

Time to just start makin' shit up. Nobody seems to care anymore.

Anonymous Bill "Canoe" Colby November 16, 2012 5:38 PM  

There are going to be a lot of people interested in discovering who edited the CIA notes and why.

Doubt that very seriously - unless it's simply to get a chip in the game for themselves, before covering it up.
And calling it an act of "terrorism" when it is people you are enabling and arming who turned on you while you were in the middle of yet another arms transfer deal is humorous.

Anonymous Seriously... November 16, 2012 5:40 PM  

well... this could get interesting VERY quickly

Here is why it wont. The general populus does not give a damn about anything important anymore. Sure there is outraged now but they only care about what is affecting them in that moment. Case in point, right now people are pissed about Hostess... why? BECAUSE THEY CAN'T HAVE ANYMORE DAMN TWINKIES! Forget all about the parasitic union and economy, it's all about the Twinkies man...

We give a damn about the Twinkies and nothing about this country. Period. End of story. That is why this will go nowhere.

Anonymous Chelm wiseman November 16, 2012 5:44 PM  

Jarstar but nobody get to attack our embassy and kill the people inside of it without a respone

apparently not.

Anonymous Idle Spectator November 16, 2012 6:08 PM  

Twinkies are gone???????

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

MY ENTIRE LIFE HAS BEEN A LIE!

Anonymous Noah B. November 16, 2012 6:12 PM  

Obama has already been caught in a blatant lie about Benghazi, but no one is willing to do anything about it. He claimed shortly before the election that he ordered the military to do everything it could (I'm paraphrasing) to protect the Americans who were there, and clearly, there was no massive military response.

Had he given such an order and the military not followed it, he would have been furious and calling for the prosecution of anyone who didn't follow orders. Instead, he spent the next two weeks talking about the stupid internet video and apologizing to the UN for the First Amendment.

Unfortunately Petraeus' testimony changes nothing.

Anonymous Noah B. November 16, 2012 6:13 PM  

"Twinkies are gone???????

Let the collapse deniers stew on the fact that Zombieland has become reality.

Anonymous Salt November 16, 2012 6:15 PM  

Incomming diversion. Perhaps J-Lo can take the heat off?

Anonymous Outlaw X November 16, 2012 6:19 PM  

"I’m not fond of Obama or his foreign policy but nobody gets to attack our embassy and kill the people inside of it without a response. "

It wasn't our embassy, there is no embassy in Benghazi which should tell you a lot. It was a gun running operation.

Anonymous Daniel November 16, 2012 6:26 PM  

Here is why it wont. The general populus does not give a damn about anything important anymore.

Seriously..., they never did. However, politics are not a democracy, and the one thing a leader can't do is something indefensible that even people with IQs of 80 can understand.

So, right, most people don't give a damn, for example, that the elite circles of the world are obviously and provably running massive child rape, torture and murder rings (and that guys like Savile and Sandusky are cannon fodder in their defense, not the masterminds themselves)...BUT they do give a damn about a grandfatherly football coach who let a child rapist have his way with a kid in the locker room.

Likewise, most people haven't got the intellectual capacity or the will to comprehend the geopolitical error [or evil] involved in even having embassies in barbarian kingdoms, especially when there's a new Twilight movie coming out...BUT they do give a damn when their own President (who also happens to be cannon fodder for the masterminds) listens to his own diplomats and soldiers die, with the power to save them stuck mysteriously in his throat.

So, yeah: machiavelli they don't get, but cowardice is a plenty simple concept to condemn. That's what they'll condemn, even if cowardice had nothing to do with the Benghazi conspiracy.

You aren't underestimating the people: you are underestimating the relative political simplicity of the President's responsibility for the Benghazi massacre. The recoil isn't intellectual: it is visceral.

It won't hit them for a while, but I knew the storm was brewing for Penn State as far back as 2007, I think. Sometimes it just takes a while for the law and the idiotic (and then their substrata - the media) to ultimately catch up.

But it is catching up. His tepid political will and power just got flushed away. Not, of course, that it matters much. He's the little fish, his purpose has been served. It doesn't really matter if he makes it intact to 2016. Nobody's too worried about his endorsement boosting them forward.

Anonymous scoobius dubious November 16, 2012 6:35 PM  

While the attack and especially the deaths are of course a serious matter, the fact remains that Libya is, relatively speaking, a strategic backwater and the whole crisis does not affect our international posture except insofar as we allow it to. Of course as far as the govt is concerned I'm talking to a stone, since Af-Pak is also a strategic backwater and yet we waste blood and treasure chasing our tails over it, for what purpose I am at a loss. We spend vast sums to re-arrange the rocks in Afghan and Libya, meantime the Muslims conquer Europe and we raise not a peep. What a world. Why, it's almost as if we're doing exactly what Irving Kristol wants.

I suppose interested political players can use this scandal as they see fit to make as much political hay as they can, and principled military players can use it learn things about how to improve defensive postures and save lives which is important in itself, but in the context of a transglobal power it must be admitted this is a minor matter.

If by turning over this particular rock some bug-catchers can catch a coupla bugs, well why not. But this is just one chip in a veeery long poker game, it's unclear to me whether it's worth bluffing a hand and losing the pot over it. And even if one wins the pot, I'm not sure it benefits the long game.

Anonymous JustMichael November 16, 2012 6:39 PM  

It's not that I'm totally unsympathetic, but anyone who accepts a government position in Benghazi needs a job worse than I do.

That's as much truth as I need to know about it.

Anonymous Daniel November 16, 2012 6:42 PM  

...it must be admitted this is a minor matter.

I think I know what you are driving at, but I'm not arriving at the same destination. Allowing a hit on American soldiers and diplomats in order to cover up gun-running is completely worth the bluff. It would be a horrible political move to make without the cover-up in place and relatively functional.

The hope is that since the movie story bought less time than they planned, the back up plan to pin Petraeus to the wall over salacious stories might just be enough to transform the narrative of Benghazi into a pathetic sex scandal. I do think it is worth doing: it would be exactly the course I'd be plotting if I wanted to put noise between me and a 2nd major guns-for-terrorists expose.

Their biggest risk if the ruse fails is that they have to try a third ruse. Their biggest risk if they don't risk a ruse like this is that the obvious story becomes...well, obvious.

Anonymous re allow anonymous comments November 16, 2012 7:01 PM  

Sorry vox, you're dreaming

The media will protect Obama on this

Anonymous ENthePeasant November 16, 2012 7:16 PM  

I would suggest that Obama, an incredibly lazy man, stupidly lost control of a blackmail operation. The deal for blackmailing a proud man is you stick to your end of the bargain and allow him his pride. I'm sure they told the semi good general, "take the fall, retire, and we will always talk of our respect and how honorable you are. It will be over quickly". But things have spiraled out of control and everyone from the FBI to SOCOM is talking, something this heavy handed group of amateurs didn't see coming. The press has been on a leash trying to keep Obama out of the fires he created. They are after the semi good general's blood like a chase dog too long in the kennel... and the semi good general is starting to feel betrayed. His honor is at stake. He reportedly told the committee he'd be willing to come back if any more questions arose, a clear warning to the Dems... does anyone see no more questions arising after his testimony??? Get your popcorn and forget about Sportscenter. We're in for some real entertainment.

Anonymous ENthePeasant November 16, 2012 7:27 PM  

"Sure there is outraged now but they only care about what is affecting them in that moment."

Couldn't agree more. Most single woman I meet all voted Obama and sheepishly just want the Big halfro and all his promises laid on them. They care nothing about a bunch of stand up men who went to their deaths (I wonder if any of those men cheated on their wives? Hope not, cuz that's gonna be the next investigation). It's a concept so far beyond their limited understanding of the world as to sound like some obscure Chinese dialect. Only women I meet who care are the ones with sons and daughters in the military. If you don't believe me ask around, to include your own wives and girlfriends.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler November 16, 2012 7:28 PM  

I want to second this by "re allow":

"Sorry vox, you're dreaming

The media will protect Obama on this.

Blogger mmaier2112 November 16, 2012 7:46 PM  

"If it turns out there was some sort of egregious black-ops skullduggery going on in the background similar to Iran-Contra (e.g. funnelling money and weapons to the wrong people through the wrong channels for the wrong reasons)"

The best explanation I've read for "Fast & Furious" is that it was a gun supplying operation for eliminating the CIA's favored cartel's rivals.

Makes more sense than anything else I've read so far, at least. And you can always count on the CIA to not care about little things like "collateral damage", even if the damage is dead Americans.

Anonymous Anonymous November 16, 2012 7:46 PM  

The only way this goes anywhere is if a Republican is willing to stake his career on taking down Obama and I don't see that happening.

Blogger Rev. Right November 16, 2012 8:11 PM  

Call me a cynic, but do you really think all the principles involved in this drama didn't hash this all out before the election? President Obama does not want the unseemly truth about letting an embassy staff die and then covering it up to come out, and General Petraeus certainly does not want any evidence produced that ties him to classified information that may (or may not, depending...) appear on Ms. Broadwell's confiscated hard drives.

I would think that the General's testimony will be limited to the degree it keeps him out of prison and the President in the White House. Just guessing.

Anonymous Outlaw X November 16, 2012 8:28 PM  

Sex has always been a diversion and will always be. I remember back in 1993 a soldier friend of mine asked me if I ever drove through Coppers Cove. I said I did quite often. He told me to get off the main roads and go down the residential streets and look for a broom on the front porch next to the door. I asked why? He said those are the soldiers away whose wife wants to play. I never did drive around looking for brooms but I figure he had no reason to lie.

Anonymous daddynichol November 16, 2012 9:27 PM  

Vox wrote:
"There are going to be a lot of people interested in discovering who edited the CIA notes and why.


While I would hope there are those who are interested, I believe nothing will much come of it. This administration has gotten away with mayhem and murder on the scale of Fast and Furious and it seems to not getting any significant traction in the news cycle. Shiny attention getting news balls will come bouncing in to distract the public and, most importantly, the media.

Anonymous daddynichol November 16, 2012 9:35 PM  

Sorry about the poorly written comment. Fat fingers and a smart phone don't mix.

Blogger Rev. Right November 16, 2012 9:37 PM  

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Blogger Rev. Right November 16, 2012 9:42 PM  

Perhaps our esteemed media is a little tired after their vigorous pursuit of the truth during the recent Presidential election, and could use a little help in coming up with some questions to pursue regarding the mystifying series of events surrounding the death of Ambassador Stevens and the sex life of General Petraeus. I can think of a few:

1. Who has the authority to tap the email accounts of the Director of the CIA?. I am not intimately acquainted with the protocols involved, but it would seem to me that, with the possible exception of the President and the Secretary of State, there is no higher security clearence than the Director of the CIA. How does a regional FBI office do this without the prior approval of the President?

2. There is absolutely no conceivable way the fact that the Director of the CIA was involved in a serious scandal was kept from the President in the months leading up to an election. So when did the President learn of this situation, before or after the consulate in Benghazi was set on fire?

3. The timing of the news release on this matter, 5:00 pm on election day, is a bit much to chalk up to coincidence. What was the process that that led to that decision? To reflexivley dismiss any connections between the publicization of this scandal, the election, and the impending Benghazi hearings is willful stupidity.

4. Someone has (helpfully) already leaked the fact that classified information was found in the records taken from Ms. Broadwell's home. Why? One possible purpose of this leak at this point would be as an implicit threat to General Petraeus.

5. To push the weirdness over the top, it has now been revealed that the woman whose harassment complaint led to the emails of the CIA Director being intercepted had visited the White House three times over the past several months. WTF is up with that?

Anonymous Outlaw X November 16, 2012 9:48 PM  

"and could use a little help in coming up with some questions to pursue regarding the mystifying series of events surrounding the death of Ambassador Stevens and the sex life of General Petraeus. I can think of a few: "

Here is a column from a liberal friend of mine and an Obama voter.

http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/8135

I am noticing a God bounce like I never seen in my life.

Anonymous dh November 16, 2012 10:23 PM  

Interesting indeed..

..one thing to note, however, is that it may be worth waiting until confirmation other than what Rep. King says was said comes out.

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Anonymous Romanus November 16, 2012 11:11 PM  

Petraeus may or may not have been blackmailed... but the fact is that he feel on his own sword.

Meh. Everyone wants to be like the Greeks. And pretend its a republic.

This all makes for a great soap opera-thriller, but you are all being played.

Anonymous Equestrian025 November 17, 2012 12:26 AM  

@ Rev. Right: Actually, that’s not true. Counter-intelligence is a function of law enforcement, that is to say, the FBI, not Intelligence. In this case, one of the possible outcomes could have been a compromised CIA Director. The CIA Director has been demoted in recent years, as the Directorate of Central Intelligence was moved to a Supervisory Position called the Director of National Intelligence, which is supposed to oversee the Civilian Intelligence Community as a whole and keep the services working in coordination.

Anonymous Regurgitated Twinkies November 17, 2012 1:48 AM  

"Obama could be a lame duck a lot sooner than his two-term predecessors were."

Nigga please,.. statues of him will be put up before that sh!t happens.
Have you not looked at you're own data?
A video of Obama leading the raid on the ben gazi compound could surface and' he'd STILL get elected to a third term.

Anonymous bw November 17, 2012 2:20 AM  

This all makes for a great soap opera-thriller, but you are all being played.

+1

And....I'm not.

Anonymous bw November 17, 2012 2:22 AM  

and' he'd STILL get elected to a third term.

That's still get ERECTED/SELECTED to a third...

But, carry on...


Anonymous Anonymous November 17, 2012 2:25 AM  

Nothing will ever stick to the Teflon Man. The majority of the media will never report the truth. Academia is a well trained lapdog, and so are the drones they've produced who love human sacrifice, sodomy, Obamacare and Third Worlders.

TK

Anonymous Francis "Atlantis-Shakespeare" Bacon November 17, 2012 2:47 AM  

the drones they've produced

That is 30,000 in your very near future, from what I've heard.

Bank of England - First Corporation - 007 John Dee Intel Agencies etal.

You are Fucked.

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 17, 2012 3:24 AM  

There are going to be a lot of people interested in discovering who edited the CIA notes and why.

Who? The idiocracy who populates Twinkie Nation? Weepin' Johnny and his Brokeback Bathhouse Boys? I'm sure Valerie Jarrett knows each one's self-destruct button. The Ministry of Truth? The only folks D'Won has to please are the vampire-squids. As long as they are satisfied with the rate of looting, he's secure. He's not nearly smart enough to double-cross them, and the last hapless stooge who tried had the initials of JFK. No way he would even try.

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 17, 2012 3:29 AM  

Here's a possible next head of the Joint Chiefs. Don't you feel secure? It's almost as ridiculous as David Dinkins' Fire Helmet, when he was NYC's HNIC. They need to re-name it as the Joint Chefs. It sounds more Parisian.

Anonymous zen0 November 17, 2012 6:20 AM  

1. Who has the authority to tap the email accounts of the Director of the CIA?. .... How does a regional FBI office do this without the prior approval of the President?d


The FBI agent involved has some interesting connections. He was also the one who busted the Al-qeda operative who came in from Canada to blow stuff up in Seattle (The Millenium Bomber)

Ensnared FBI agent helped nab Ressam




Blogger RobertT November 17, 2012 1:40 PM  

Yes, but not enough to drive the process. When I look at Steve Sailor's Graph (the American Mosaic) the only ones who might care are in the red at the bottom. The rest don't much care, and they control the country. Obama will come out of this smelling like a rose.

Blogger RobertT November 17, 2012 1:41 PM  

Yes, but not enough to drive the process. When I look at Steve Sailor's Graph (the American Mosaic) the only ones who might care are in the red at the bottom. The rest don't much care, and they control the country. Obama will come out of this smelling like a rose.

Blogger RobertT November 17, 2012 1:44 PM  

What strikes me about this process is that the Republicans seem unaware that the barbarians have breached the walls and are continuing business as usual while the guillotine is being sharpened.

Blogger RobertT November 17, 2012 1:46 PM  

My Take ...
The election is history. The die is cast. We're facing a future of tax increases, regulatory strangulation, economic turmoil and competitive pressure. Two days after the election, 78 new regulations were introduced. A week after, a trillion and a half dollars in new taxes were proposed. If you survive, it won't be by doing the same old things with the same old firms.

Anonymous LES November 17, 2012 2:19 PM  

Perhaps CIA director David H. Petraeus had to take the fall rather than reveal that the anti-Islamic video “Innocence of Muslims” would be traced to Israel.

Anonymous Tom O, November 17, 2012 3:31 PM  

#americaisdoomed #whyisntthereapogromyet #youwilleatyourchildren

Anonymous zen0 November 17, 2012 4:15 PM  

Perhaps CIA director David H. Petraeus had to take the fall rather than reveal that the anti-Islamic video “Innocence of Muslims” would be traced to Israel. LES

Close, but no cigar.

Walid Shoebot says:




Court documents reveal that Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, the producer of the movie Innocence of Muslims, partnered in a scheme with Eiad Salameh, my first cousin.

Eiad is a Muslim terror supporter and is not an Egyptian Copt.

He comes from Beit Sahour, Bethlehem and is well known by the FBI and the Arab community as a conduit for Middle Easterners who can obtain authentic, legitimate identifications, from passports to credit cards including many nationalities. He then places these identifications in the hands of dubious characters to use for fraudulent purposes.

Anonymous George Patton November 17, 2012 4:16 PM  

The real scoop on Betrayus, from an officer with real combat experience. No, Betrayus is not fit to tie the shows of Eisenhower. That we have generals like Betrayus, explains why we have presidents like Barky...

Anonymous Obama's Phone November 17, 2012 4:29 PM  

That Libya's girl is a lying hoochie.

Anonymous Richard Perez November 17, 2012 6:04 PM  

What strikes me about this process is that the Republicans seem unaware that the barbarians have breached the walls and are continuing business as usual while the guillotine is being sharpened.

Sure. Like McCainiac and his buddies?

Anonymous Dr Doom November 17, 2012 8:33 PM  

Actually, the media are now IRRELEVANT. They can try to distract the few braindead morons that still watch them, but the alternate media and the internet have millions of eyeballs peeled for Anti-Bombaata news.

I think Bombaata is going to have a very SHORT Celebration, as even now there are many who want his head for the New Vibrancy of the Middle East.

Impeachment, yes, but expect Assassination to be the Endgame...

Anonymous ENthePeasant November 18, 2012 2:31 AM  

"The real scoop on Betrayus"

Thanks GP, that's the truth of the matter.

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