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Friday, November 16, 2012

Locusts don't vote ant party

The Right Wing News surveys the right wing blogs concerning the presidential election:
1) If you had to pick one reason why Mitt Romney lost, which of the following would it be?
D) He wasn’t aggressive enough in attacking Obama and/or his campaign was too passive in defending against attacks. 48.5% (32 votes)
E) He didn’t inspire voters to turn out for him and/or his get-out-the-vote operation was poor 43.9% (29 votes)
B) He was too moderate overall. 7.6% (5 votes)
A) He was too conservative overall. 0.0% (0 votes)
C) His campaign was too socially conservative. 0.0% (0 votes)

2) Was Mitt Romney your first choice in the Republican primaries or was there another candidate you preferred?
B) There was another candidate that I preferred. 81.8% (54 votes)
A) He was my first choice. 18.2% (12 votes)
Even in the post-election analysis, the illusion remains strong within Republicans.  This is why they are in the process of rapidly going the way of the Whig Party.  Republicans still think that pandering to the Left will pull people to the Right rather than moving the party to the Left.  And they still fail to understand that people who prefer big government in their native lands are always going to prefer big government in the lands they've invaded.  This is as true of Californians moving to Texas and Massachusetts residents moving to New Hampshire as it is of Malaysians and Mexicans moving to the USA.  Very few people are abstract or long-term thinkers.  Most people want the wealth produced by a society with limited  government distributed to them more generously by bigger government.

The fact that this happens to be a contradiction when viewed from a long term perspective is totally irrelevant.  The locust doesn't stop to think about the consequences of stripping the field bare, especially when all the other locusts are busily devouring everything in sight.  He'll worry about next year when it arrives.  America always had its share of native locusts, but they were always outnumbered by the ants and they were not capable of rendering the fields barren.  Now, their numbers have been significantly boosted by immigration, but the Republican Party cannot hope to retain its viability by reaching out to the new locusts and attempting to convincing them that they are ants.

Romney lost for two reasons.  He was too moderate for his white traditional base and there are too many new big government voters in the electorate.  Republicans might complain that libertarians and conservatives staying home cost them a number of elections in 2012, including the presidential one, but then, that's exactly what increasing numbers of libertarians and conservatives have warned they would do ever since George W. Bush revealed himself to be a fake conservative.

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121 Comments:

Blogger mmaier2112 November 16, 2012 7:57 AM  

The cognitive dissonance in the bulk of the Republican supporters is too strong, too.

They just don't get that pushing RINOs like Romney will NEVER get them what they want.

Like you said, Vox: how has electing Republicans gotten the conservatives anything as far as abortion goes? Nothing over 40 years! That's stunning when you think about it. Not even a ban on 9 month term babies having their brains sucked out.

If I could magically pull a meteor into DC while Congress and a the President were there, I think I'd have to do it.

You know, for the children.

Anonymous E. PERLINE November 16, 2012 7:58 AM  

I think the presidential election was a give-away contest and and Obama gave away (or was perceived to give away) more.

Anonymous Roundtine November 16, 2012 8:12 AM  

Fox News is an enemy of conservatives. Try getting them to understand that. They're all fools, I've tried for years to convince my family and they eat up the rhetoric, they think Obama is a communist or even the anti-Christ.

Anonymous Starbuck November 16, 2012 8:13 AM  

Like you said, Vox: how has electing Republicans gotten the conservatives anything as far as abortion goes? Nothing over 40 years! That's stunning when you think about it. Not even a ban on 9 month term babies having their brains sucked out. - mmaier2112

That's not entirely true. Under Bush there was a bill signed into law that outlawed partial birth abortions and was immediatly squashed by the courts. So you can't Bush didn't try.
He also wouldn't allow fetal stem cell research. He said "You shouldn't create life, then destroy it in the name of research" Or at least close to that.

Bush was socially liberal, fiscally insane and morally to the right a little bit.

Anonymous Roundtine November 16, 2012 8:15 AM  

I like the Ant Party. It stands for low taxes, low spending, pro-saving, long-term solutions. Marriage over single motherhood, etc. Support all long term solutions, small changes today that add up over decades, not big bold reform.

Anonymous Jim November 16, 2012 8:25 AM  

Romney lost for a variety of reasons, the primary one being that he was too moderate. If he ever had a chance, that chance was taken away by Boner and Roberts. Boner demonstrated that the Republicans could not be trusted to deliver on the promises they made during campaigning. Roberts took away the only cogent reason to vote for a candidate such as Romney: that he will appoint conservative judges to the Supreme Court.

Anonymous DrTorch November 16, 2012 8:33 AM  

Are you trying to contrast the results of that poll w/ your statement, or demonstrating that bloggers have a better sense of things than broad party members?

It reads like you're trying to show a contrast, but those poll results don't disagree w/ your perspective.

Anonymous TEL November 16, 2012 8:43 AM  

"Fox News is an enemy of conservatives. Try getting them to understand that. They're all fools, I've tried for years to convince my family and they eat up the rhetoric, they think Obama is a communist or even the anti-Christ."

Teh stupid in this comment. If MORE believed Barry was a commie or anti-Christ, then we'd have President Romney.

Blogger Bob Wallace November 16, 2012 8:43 AM  

The people I talked to said they didn't like Obama but thought Romney was the kind of guy who would export people's jobs and then cut off their unemployment and food stamps when they couldn't find a job.

Anonymous LES November 16, 2012 9:03 AM  

I resent the Republican machine and the news media picking the candidate.

I suspect all those minor candidates in the primary were just to split the
anti-Romney and pro-Paul votes.

As a conservative I am disgusted with the Republican party.

Anonymous horsewithnonick November 16, 2012 9:09 AM  

"Fox News is an enemy of conservatives. Try getting them to understand that. They're all fools, I've tried for years to convince my family and they eat up the rhetoric, they think Obama is a communist or even the anti-Christ."

Teh stupid in this comment. If MORE believed Barry was a commie or anti-Christ, then we'd have President Romney.


You say that like it would matter.

Blogger tz November 16, 2012 9:14 AM  

The Ants are going on strike. And the field is nearly bare now, what are the locusts going to do where there is nothing more to devour?

(Note the MMT nonsense that says government spending can solve everything, but if you pay farmers whether they grow crops or not, no amount of money will replace the non-existent harvest, as it is not replacing the output of the un-drilled oil-wells; Even money as gold is not a magic super-philosopher's stone that can change itself into food or energy).

Anonymous JW November 16, 2012 9:15 AM  

" Most people want the wealth produced by a society with limited government distributed to them more generously by bigger government."

Another gem Vox.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation (Ben) November 16, 2012 9:18 AM  

It's interesting when Vox points out how immigrants mostly want to turn their new country into their old country. Going back to post 1848:

Another founding block of the Republican party, often overlooked, were German refugees from the 1848 revolutions. Their numbers in the Midwest, as much as fifteen per cent of the population in some states, were great enough to form a major voting block and to account for the change of the Midwest from Democrat to Republican between 1850 and 1860 ... They were military nationalists ... When the foremost among them, Carl Schurz, arrived in America he complained that the Americans were too laid-back and unideological in their politics and he vowed to change that. These Germans believed that the unified and aggressive nation-state was the height of human existence, that progress toward it was inevitable, and that obstacles to centralization and revolution should be violently destroyed like the provincial aristocracies and petty princes of Europe.

It's interesting that this new voting bloc played a large part in destroying the South. Also, these new immigrants conception of freedom was 180 degrees different than Americans of the Revolutionary war period stock.

Anonymous 300WM November 16, 2012 9:24 AM  

"So you can't Bush didn't try.
He also wouldn't allow fetal stem cell research."

That's not entirely true. He wouldn't let federal dollars be used for fetal stem cell research. He did nothing about private industry research practices.

Anonymous dh November 16, 2012 9:26 AM  

> Like you said, Vox: how has electing Republicans gotten the conservatives anything as far as abortion
> goes? Nothing over 40 years! That's stunning when you think about it. Not even a ban on 9 month term
> babies having their brains sucked out.

When it comes right down to it, most Americans, and even conservatives, secretly want to be able to count on the abortionist when they need it.

Like the Onion says "98% of Americans favor mass transit for everyone else".

Anonymous Anonymous November 16, 2012 9:30 AM  

VD et al.,

What do you say to those who believe this view is overly pessimistic; to those who believe that "everyone loves freedom" and that it's only a matter of educating people about the virtues of the "freedom" movement?

Are we sure the locusts just don't understand? How do we know?

(I have my own ideas about all of this, and while I agree with VD on what the problem is, we disagree on the etiology.)

~Cumquat

Anonymous Edjamacator November 16, 2012 9:31 AM  

The Ants are going on strike. And the field is nearly bare now, what are the locusts going to do where there is nothing more to devour?

They'll turn on the ants. Beats workin'.

Anonymous Josh November 16, 2012 9:34 AM  

Are you trying to contrast the results of that poll w/ your statement, or demonstrating that bloggers have a better sense of things than broad party members?

It reads like you're trying to show a contrast, but those poll results don't disagree w/ your perspective.


They absolutely do.

If the poll respondents agreed with Vox's statement, they would have overwhelmingly selected option B in the first question. The problem was the candidate, but they're blaming the campaign. If only Romney had attacked Obama more! If only the GOTV was stronger! Those are unhelpful critiques.

Anonymous The other skeptic November 16, 2012 9:54 AM  

One more straw on the camel's back

Anonymous Stilicho November 16, 2012 9:54 AM  

It's rather frightening when Vox and Ann Coulter agree on an issue like this.

The Democrats and Republicans have selected a new people. Time for white Americans to select a new party.

Anonymous scoobius dubious November 16, 2012 9:55 AM  

"And the field is nearly bare now, what are the locusts going to do where there is nothing more to devour?"

Oh, the field isn't bare at all. You'd be surprised how much more they can still take from you. The curious thing about locusts is, when it comes to devouring others' store, they suddenly become pretty ingenious and industrious. It's their only talent... but it IS a talent.


Anonymous the bandit November 16, 2012 9:57 AM  

Like you said, Vox: how has electing Republicans gotten the conservatives anything as far as abortion goes? Nothing over 40 years! That's stunning when you think about it. Not even a ban on 9 month term babies having their brains sucked out. - mmaier2112

That's not entirely true. Under Bush there was a bill signed into law that outlawed partial birth abortions and was immediatly squashed by the courts. So you can't Bush didn't try. - Starbuck


Actually, it's entirely false. The Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act was upheld by the Supreme Court in Gonzales v. Carhart. It's a shame that mmaier2112 had to ruin his good point with an ignorant, false example. (Or, I guess another possible interpretation, it's a shame that mmaier2112 had to ruin his point with irony that is hard not to miss.)

Regardless, no one suctions nine-month-old fetuses' brains out anymore in these United States. At least, not legally.

Anonymous Megabozz November 16, 2012 9:58 AM  

Off topic, but this made me laugh:

http://www.upworthy.com/2-monkeys-were-paid-unequally-see-what-happens-next

Anonymous scoobius dubious November 16, 2012 9:59 AM  

As long as the left-liberals-squids-Dems-MSM-Jews are allowed to completely control and define all of the very terms of discussion and debate, the Republicans will never be able to get their message across cogently. In fact, the Republicans won't even know what their message actually is.

We are watching Newspeak evolve in real time, in real life.



Anonymous The other skeptic November 16, 2012 10:01 AM  


Most people want the wealth produced by a society with limited government distributed to them more generously by bigger government.


This would not matter if those who pretend to act on behalf of the "downtrodden" did not have access to government.

The trick is to make such people bear the burden of supporting the "downtrodden".

Anonymous Godfrey November 16, 2012 10:02 AM  

One additional point, the GOP's number one agenda is WAR. They will jettison everything else else before that. For the neocons, it’s damn everythign else, full speed ahead.

Anonymous DonReynolds November 16, 2012 10:05 AM  

I thank God that our current crop of Republicans were not in the White House the morning after Pearl Harbor. They would have promptly surrendered the Pacific to the Empire of Japan....and very probably the West Coast too.

I do not often agree with Rush Limbaugh, but I have to agree with his more recent observation: When the Liberals lose big in an election, as they did in 2010, no one suggests that they compromise their principles and values or become more conservative in their message in order to win in the next election. But when the "conservatives" break even or lose an election, our own RINOs are the first to surrender their sword and swear fealty to their new masters.

We have always had appeasers and gutless, spineless, limp individuals. When I was a boy, they said "Better Red, than Dead!". They were wrong then and they are wrong now. Either we stand up and fight for what we believe in or we pass under the yoke and join the heathen as their slaves. Patrick Henry said...I know not what others will choose, but give me Liberty or give me Death. Live free or die, friends and fellows.

Anonymous DrTorch November 16, 2012 10:06 AM  

It's interesting when Vox points out how immigrants mostly want to turn their new country into their old country. Going back to post 1848:

Going back to an article from all of yesterday (re: Guiness World Record Day):

Craig Glenley, Guinness World Record editor in chief said: "This year it seems to be all about bringing records back home to the people who are most passionate about enjoying their culture and national identity."


They absolutely do.

If the poll respondents agreed with Vox's statement, they would have overwhelmingly selected option B in the first question.


Nonsense. Those answers aren't mutually exclusive, even worse, they can be expected to have a high correlation. Those are bad answers if you're trying to discern precise causes. Or more correctly, trying to discern precise causes is a fool's errand in a situation like this.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler November 16, 2012 10:06 AM  

It is not about "big government" Vox, it is progressivism. Listen to this supposedly philosophy professor in an East Coast College:
We have just come through a presidential election whose outcome was a good deal more progressive than any of us anticipated. Several really admirable women have been elected to the Senate; a wretched hollow man who would have brought in his train a nightmare of aides and appointees has been defeated. But the election revealed, once again, that very close to half of those 310 million Americans are opposed to the changes we seek to make in this country. That is a fact that we must confront and acknowledge, for it sets limits to what we can, in the short or medium run, hope to accomplish. (from The Philosopher's Stone by Robert Paul Wolff

It is about "progressivism". It is about "remaking the world". Big Government is only a tool, a tool to force progressiveness. It is not about people coming from other countries with big government. This country America accepted millions of Russian Jews. Did the Russian Jews have big government? No. Jews have a hatred for Europeans, for Christianity and they think they need to remake the world. "To fix the world" is progressivism. That is Socialism in a nutshell. Socialism is idealism. They have no connection to reality and they hate God.

That is the essence of the problem not 'big government'.

Anonymous scoobius dubious November 16, 2012 10:09 AM  

@Megabozz -- that vid is hilarious. But what are its implications? What if the monkey with the grapes was getting a grape for giving two rocks instead of one? And also, what about the parable of the vineyard owner?

Head... spinning... soooo confused...

Speaking of monkeys, the election in some ways reminded me of Chuang Tzu's great parable known as "three in the morning". To summarize:

A keeper of monkeys fed the monkeys two chestnuts in the morning, and three at night. The monkeys protested that this was unacceptable. So, the keeper agreed, and then fed them three in the morning, and two at night. The monkeys were now content.

Blogger Tim November 16, 2012 10:10 AM  

It may be true that many libertarians have said that they would stop voting for republicans, but the republicans haven't heard that, even if they were listening.

Anonymous DrTorch November 16, 2012 10:11 AM  

As long as the left-liberals-squids-Dems-MSM-Jews are allowed to completely control and define all of the very terms of discussion and debate, the Republicans will never be able to get their message across cogently. In fact, the Republicans won't even know what their message actually is.

We are watching Newspeak evolve in real time, in real life.


True. That's why have lots of kids and homeschool them.

I regret not knowing this when I was younger.

Blogger IM2L844 November 16, 2012 10:11 AM  

Progressivism demands growing the government.

Anonymous Josh November 16, 2012 10:12 AM  

From the idiot feminists at Jezebel:

Oh please. Taxes are not *your* money. If people could give up the idea that it's THEIR money being pried out of their hands, rather than just another bill, there'd be a lot less whining. You want lights, you pay the electric company. You want a place to live, you pay the bank or landlord. You want food, you pay the grocery store. You want to live in a civilized society, you pay taxes. Get. Over. It.

We should institute a voting test. One question only: do you agree with the previous statement? Anyone who answers yes is disqualified from voting.

Anonymous Porky? November 16, 2012 10:16 AM  

You want to live in a civilized society, you pay taxes.

Great argument for deporting half of the country.

Anonymous Ghost of Bane November 16, 2012 10:17 AM  

Does an ant scratch his balls?

Anonymous Mr. Nightstick November 16, 2012 10:17 AM  

I'm impressed that Vox thinks the Republicans are the ant party.

Anonymous JartStar November 16, 2012 10:17 AM  

The locusts managed to kill the Twinkie.

Anonymous Godfrey November 16, 2012 10:26 AM  

"You want to live in a civilized society, you pay taxes. "

The above statement is a falsehood. It is the great myth of the ages.


Taxation destroys civilized society. All you have to do is simply observe what's happening around you (e.g. Detriot).

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 November 16, 2012 10:27 AM  

The Republican party continues to be convinced that they should focus on the differences in social issues between the two parties. Yet that doesn't seem to be working for the last few election cycles. The only reason Republicans scored a victory in 2010 was because the focus on issues that their voters care about.

Captain Obvious AWAY!!!!

Anonymous dh November 16, 2012 10:28 AM  

> D) He wasn’t aggressive enough in attacking Obama and/or his campaign was too passive in defending
> against attacks. 48.5% (32 votes)

This is the real fantasy land version of what happened. Most the campaign was irrelevant. Mitt Romney never was winning through his entire general election campaign. From when he sealed the nomination around April through November, he was never in a position to have an EV win - even on his best day - after the first debate - he still wasn't winning. There was not a single day between April and November when, had the election been held that, he would win the race.

All this means, that, attacks, the counter-attacks, the advertising - all of it was simply "fighting to a draw".

Anonymous JartStar November 16, 2012 10:31 AM  

As I predicted there’s a massive sell off going on in the market right now as capital gains taxes are going up next year. If one is in the highest bracket it will be nearly impossible to beat municipal bonds with equities after taxes. This makes the risk premium of equities in taxable accounts a not worth the returns. Why bother taking the risk even for an extra 1% when munis are so much less volatile and lower risk?

Blogger IM2L844 November 16, 2012 10:31 AM  

The locusts managed to kill the Twinkie.

Maybe this was the real impetus behind the secession from Zombieland kefuffle.

Anonymous Stilicho November 16, 2012 10:33 AM  

That is the essence of the problem not 'big government'.

Po-ta-toe / po-tah-toe. Big gov't is both an end and a means for that crowd.
























Anonymous dh November 16, 2012 10:33 AM  

Also, the emerging picture is that, surprise surprise, the Obama campaign spanked Romney in all of the metrics of actually running something.

Ad buying, for example, the Obama campaign ran a superior purchasing operation.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82217.html

Anonymous zen0 November 16, 2012 10:37 AM  

Mr. Nightstick November 16, 2012 10:17 AM

I'm impressed that Vox thinks the Republicans are the ant party.


Conceptually challenged, Mr. Stick? Possibly a remedial reading course will help.

Anonymous scoobius dubious November 16, 2012 10:38 AM  

"You want to live in a civilized society, you pay taxes."

The statement would be true if those who paid the taxes were also those who got to define the words "civilized" and "society".

Anonymous Starbuck November 16, 2012 10:39 AM  

That's not entirely true. He wouldn't let federal dollars be used for fetal stem cell research. He did nothing about private industry research practices.300WM

Yes, you are correct. I forgot that little tidbit. I stand corrected, but that was secondary to my point.

Anonymous Mr. Nightstick November 16, 2012 10:45 AM  

@zen0

It must be lonely in the frigid north this time of year with only your cats to keep you company.

Anonymous Orville November 16, 2012 11:12 AM  

I shed a tear for the Twinkie today, but nary a one for the Republicans. Good riddance to them.

Anonymous patrick kelly November 16, 2012 11:13 AM  

""So you can't Bush didn't try.
He also wouldn't allow fetal stem cell research."

That's not entirely true. He wouldn't let federal dollars be used for fetal stem cell research. He did nothing about private industry research practices."

And that's exactly what the POTUS and the rest of the Federal Gov't should do or not do about hobby horse religious issues vs. the private sector, nothing, nada, nilch. It is not within their authority or power granted and enumerated by the constitution. To plead for them to do so requires serious cognitive dissonance and intellectual dishonesty.

It would be more consistent to just go ahead and call for a march on DC to install a Christian monarchy.


Anonymous zen0 November 16, 2012 11:20 AM  

@ Mr. Nightstick
It must be lonely in the frigid north this time of year with only your cats to keep you company.

MY pets vomit out cat fur and bones so they have room for more cat.

Blogger Stogie November 16, 2012 11:38 AM  

I don't agree that Californians moving to Texas are analogous to Mexicans moving to the US. I've been a Californian for most of my long life and I have always voted Republican, preferring the most conservative candidate over the rest in the primaries. I listen to Rush every day. I read about 30 books on politics each year, including the classics like Atlas Shrugs and the Road to Serfdom. About 40% of the state votes Republican. Liberal Californians would never move to Texas, but the many conservatives who live here would do so willingly. Ronald Reagan was a Californian, for God's sake.

Anonymous Noah B. November 16, 2012 11:43 AM  

"Ronald Reagan was a Californian, for God's sake."

Ronald Reagan also expanded federal deficits, wasted huge amounts of money on useless military toys, gave amnesty to illegals, and banned manufacture of new machine guns for private ownership. It really is sad that liberty-minded people view him as some sort of hero.

Anonymous Josh November 16, 2012 11:46 AM  

Heresy, Noah!

Anonymous Stilicho November 16, 2012 11:59 AM  

Liberal Californians would never move to Texas

Locusts go wherever the green fields are.

Anonymous Mr. Nightstick November 16, 2012 12:03 PM  

OT: Got this from a conservative mail list I am on at work.

The teacher said, "Let's begin by reviewing some American History. Who said 'Give me Liberty, or give me Death'?"

She saw a sea of blank faces, except for Little Akio, a bright foreign exchange student from Japan , who had his hand up: "Patrick Henry, 1775," he said.

"Very good! -- Who said, 'Government of the People, by the People, for the People, shall not perish from the Earth'?"

Again, no response except from Little Akio: "Abraham Lincoln, 1863."

"Excellent!" said the teacher continuing, "Let's try one a bit more difficult -- Who said, 'Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your Country?"

Once again, Akio's was the only hand in the air and he said: "John F. Kennedy, 1961."

The teacher snapped at the class, "Class, you should be ashamed of yourselves, Little Akio isn't from this country and he knows more about our history than you Do."

She heard a loud whisper: "F_ _ k the Japs."

"Who said that? -- I want to know right now!? She angrily demanded.

Little Akio put his hand up, "General MacArthur, 1945."

At that point, a student in the back said, "I'm gonna puke.'

The teacher glares around and asks, 'All right! -- Now who said that?"

Again, Little Akio says, "George Bush to the Japanese Prime Minister, 1991."

Now furious, another student yells, "Oh yeah? -- Suck this!"

Little Akio jumps out of his chair waving his hand and shouts to the teacher, "Bill Clinton, to Monica Lewinsky, 1997!"

Now with almost mob hysteria someone said, "You little $hit! -- If you say anything else -- I'll kill you!"

Little Akio frantically yells at the top of his voice, "Michael Jackson to the children testifying against him, 2004."

The teacher fainted. As the class gathered around the teacher on the floor, someone said, "Oh $hit, We're screwed!"

Little Akio said quietly, "The American people, November 6, 2012."

Anonymous Daniel November 16, 2012 12:03 PM  

As usually, Vox is sentimental and optimistic.

After all, real locusts contain some nutrients. Dip a handful of them in a vat of honey, and you've got sustenance.

The migrant progressive locust? Sodium acid pyrophosphate, Polysorbate 60, Sodium stearoyl lactylate, Yellow #5, and none of the flavor or health benefits you'd get from a deep fat fried twinkie.

I'd rather eat tainted Sharp Cereal Red Razberry Zingers, thanks.

Anonymous Kickass November 16, 2012 12:05 PM  

Any thoughts on WHY the Republicans also go to the plan of wooing more liberal dems instead of wooing more conservatives, repubs and liberatarians?

Or, at least, having stricter voting regulations.

I mean seriously, how many times do you slam your head against the wall before you make the connection between that and your headache?

Anonymous Kickass November 16, 2012 12:13 PM  

Cheers for Mr. Nightstick, I spit out a perfectly good coffee because of you.

Anonymous Little Akio November 16, 2012 12:13 PM  

Any thoughts on WHY the Republicans also go to the plan of wooing more liberal dems instead of wooing more conservatives, repubs and liberatarians?

Because the Republican leadership is neither conservative nor libertarian and does not understand why anyone else would be. They merely seek to attract voters like themselves.

Anonymous Dan in Tx (building the wall on Tx NORTHERN border) November 16, 2012 12:25 PM  

Stogie wrote: "I don't agree that Californians moving to Texas are analogous to Mexicans moving to the US."

Wrong answer, it is very MUCH the same. In fact most any fellow Texan I talk to including myself would RATHER have the Mexicans than the Californians. Most of the Mexicans we get here are still more or less looking to work and send the money back to Mexico. The Californians we get (and to a slightly lesser extent Yankees) follow a pattern: when they first get here it's, "Oh we love the low taxes here! We love that there's no state income tax!" The next stage is, "What?! You don't have a LAW against that?! That's crazy!" Then the final stage is working their ass off to get more laws passed here, just like they had "back home" because it's so much more civilized where they came from. Austin is little more now than a California colony. Many of us consider it a cancer.

Anonymous aero November 16, 2012 12:27 PM  

Romney lost because most of the people from other country's that voted here in 2012
1. Are used to being told how to vote.
2. Voter fraud is the way thing are done.
3. The unions have always been known for stuffing the ballot boxes.
4. The people that stayed home and didn't vote. didn't realize that some else was going to vote for them. These are people that stay home regardless of whose running.

This is was a very corrupt election

Anonymous CunningDove November 16, 2012 12:29 PM  

http://www.upworthy.com/2-monkeys-were-paid-unequally-see-what-happens-next

The comment at the end about "This is the Wall Street Protest you see here." was worth it.

Anonymous CLK November 16, 2012 12:44 PM  

""Fox News is an enemy of conservatives. Try getting them to understand that. They're all fools, I've tried for years to convince my family and they eat up the rhetoric, they think Obama is a communist or even the anti-Christ."

That's because conservatives forgot that what was said on Fox was never meant to be news but a republican paid infomercial.. Lying for propaganda is a well established tactic but you run the risk of getting so good at your lies that you start believe them .. that's why Fox is one of the worse things that every happened to conservatism. What you need is the brutal honest truth, with real numbers and real math .. present a reasonable case, leave out the partisan crap and you will win.


Blogger Stogie November 16, 2012 12:47 PM  

Dan in Texas imagines he can see into the hearts and minds of California conservatives who move to Texas. (You're a bigot, Dan -- just a different kind.) Austin is a liberal cesspool because of the university there, not because of California immigrants. Universities attract leftists no matter where they are located.

If I want to move to Texas, I will do so and neither Dan nor any other of his ilk will stop me (try it Dan if you're brave enough).

Now here are some California Republicans who are infinitely worth more to the human race than Dan:
John Wayne
Dean Martin
James Arness
Sonny Bono
Bob Hope
Jon Voigt
Ronald Reagan
Nancy Reagan
Bruce Willis
Gary Sinise
Chuck Norris

Blogger Stogie November 16, 2012 12:51 PM  

Noah poo-poos Ronald Reagan, possibly the greatest American president ever. I assume that Noah is a "paleoconservative," a schizophrenic blend of far-left appeasement to tyrants and out-and-out anarchy. There is no more worthless a political philosophy, in my opinion.

Anonymous scoobius dubious November 16, 2012 12:53 PM  

"Now here are some California Republicans who are infinitely worth more to the human race than Dan:
John Wayne
Dean Martin
James Arness... &c."

Sadly, the reason for Dan's extreme prejudice is that out of a population of roughly 30 million, your full complete list wouldn't extend very much longer than those you've listed.

Chuck Norris is a man capable of many things, but I doubt that even he can get upwards of 20 million people to stop being assholes.

Anonymous Josh November 16, 2012 12:56 PM  

Noah poo-poos Ronald Reagan, possibly the greatest American president ever

You're an idiot.

Anonymous Josh November 16, 2012 12:59 PM  

I assume that Noah is a "paleoconservative," a schizophrenic blend of far-left appeasement to tyrants and out-and-out anarchy. There is no more worthless a political philosophy, in my opinion.

Holding Reagan up as an example of a great president is a worthless political philosophy.

Which tyrants are the paleo conservatives
appeasing, and how are they appeasing them?

Anonymous Anonymous November 16, 2012 1:01 PM  

If you want to know how reasonable folks went from "anti-communist" to "die hard national socialist" ... read the comments above. "Down with the neocons, up with progressivism! String up Sean Hannity and worship Noam Chomsky!"

Anonymous clk November 16, 2012 1:04 PM  

"Wrong answer, it is very MUCH the same. In fact most any fellow Texan I talk to including myself would RATHER have the Mexicans than the Californians"

The only true Texans left are the Mexicans..

Anonymous Dan in Texas (enjoying having my point made for me) November 16, 2012 1:06 PM  

Stogie, let me go through this slowly so I don't miss anything.
1. No, I never said I could read minds or hearts. I am simply speaking of personal observations. I'm sure you're a unique snowflake Stogie and would be a wonderful addition to our society. You already seem so pleasant.
2. Are you seriously implying that Texas only has one college in the entire state? If not than your reasoning concerning Austin falls flat.
3. So now you are so determined to move here that you are throwing out threats to "try and stop you"? Yes, I'm sure you would be invading over the Texas border with guns blazing to get your way! I'm thinking more like you would be sure there's a law passed to be sure you get your way and you'd dial 911 to have the uniformed enforcers to make it so.
4. I find the bigot comment quite humorous. Did you miss the part where I said we would rather have the Mexicans than you?
5. As for your list of names: are you now asserting that you know exactly what's in the hearts and minds of those you've listed? Do you know them personally so that you can vouch for their high moral character or are you simply going by the characters they played in movies and tv?

Ooooo, since he used the term "ilk" toward me, does that make me part of the club yet? I know he didn't say "dread ilk" but still, it's a start!

Anonymous scoobius dubious November 16, 2012 1:13 PM  

"Austin is a liberal cesspool because of the university there, not because of California immigrants. Universities attract leftists no matter where they are located."

In the interests of genuine anthropology (viz. not just playing at a bad internet smackdown), this is only part of the situation. (Plus I doubt that California immigrants are really a main contributor.) I've spent a fair amount of time in Austin despite not being a Texan. Once you admit, as you must, that there simply are various types of people who think various different things about the world and who are therefore inclined to disagree with one another, you have to question just how they will sort themselves out. Although Austin is home to many university and govt assholes, it is also full of deeply strange and individualistic people who were attracted there because, for one reason or another or for whatever reason, they found that they somehow could simply no longer abide their fellow Texans. Or their fellow Midwesterners or what-have-you. I've met a lot of shall we say non-ideological but idiosyncractic refugees in Austin, from all over the central part of the country, it seems they gravitated there because they couldn't figure out where else to go, and when they arrived they found it pleasant and accomodating, and so there you are. The world would be poorer without such places of refuge. It's sort of a monastery for the weird. Having grown up in NYC I sympathize even when I don't or can't agree. Austin is a pleasant place, although you wouldn't want to put those people in charge of anything larger than say a hockey rink. But it would be a very nice hockey rink if they ran it, or shall I say while they ran it, since it would probably go bust in a couple of years. But so did the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem. Such is life.

Anonymous clk November 16, 2012 1:16 PM  

Personally I always held up Richard Nixon as the great republican president of our time.

Anonymous Josh November 16, 2012 1:32 PM  

Holy wall of text, scoobius!

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 16, 2012 2:01 PM  

Roundtime:
Fox News is an enemy of conservatives. Try getting them to understand that. They're all fools, I've tried for years to convince my family and they eat up the rhetoric, they think Obama is a communist or even the anti-Christ.

Housenigga Hussein is a communist. Problem is, so are most of Faux-News and the Republicans (though a slightly different flavor). That's the thing your family fails to comprehend. Banksterism and debt-slavery is not capitalism, but actually another road to communism. Commies realized that the Stalinist and Maoist forms wouldn't work very effectively in the west, hence the Frankfurt School, Gramsci, etc.

Anonymous CLK November 16, 2012 2:05 PM  

And any time I been to Texas (and I been all around Texas) I enjoyed myself greatly. Dan not withstanding :) I have found most Texans I have met to good people, kind and welcoming. Its one of the few places you go were you seem to get invited all the time for dinner...

Anonymous Noah B. November 16, 2012 2:07 PM  

"Although Austin is home to many university and govt assholes, it is also full of deeply strange and individualistic people who were attracted there because, for one reason or another or for whatever reason, they found that they somehow could simply no longer abide their fellow Texans."

That's Austin, alright. For those who aren't from Texas and want a pretty good idea of what the place is like, check out the movie "Bernie" with Jack Black.

@Stogie

I noticed you strung a lot of words together but didn't actually address any of what I said. Do you think RR took the right position on the issues I described, and if so, how and why is it that you actually consider yourself a conservative? By what objective measure could he be considered the greatest president ever? Or are you just repeating what you hear on talk radio?

Anonymous patrick kelly November 16, 2012 2:18 PM  

Bigotry is distrust/dislike of people not like "us" or "not from around here". Doesn't have to be based on ethnicity. A little bit is healthy and necessary for survival.

The Republican meme patrol kool aid is strong smelling today.

Blogger Stogie November 16, 2012 2:20 PM  

Josh, "paleoconservatives" are anti-Israel, and also anti-semitic, though they don't openly admit it. They cry great crocodile tears over dead Iraqis but not dead Israelis. They are the same mindless fools who believe that 911 was "an inside job." They are anti-military and would reduce the US to a defenseless backwater if they had the chance.

Blogger Stogie November 16, 2012 2:23 PM  

Noah, someone who uses as many generalities as you do should not insist on specificity when you provide none. Reagan bankrupted the Soviet Union with defense spending, thus ending the USSR. He provided great tax incentives (likek the ACRS system), turned around a very sick economy and produced a long period of economic growth. He was burdened with a Democratic congress and couldn't produce miracles.

Blogger Stogie November 16, 2012 2:28 PM  

Dan, you are a jackass. I won't need guns blazing to enter Texas, and you aren't big enough or brave enough personally to stop me. My parents were Texans, and my family in Texas goes back to the Civil War. My family has paid for my right to move wherever I want, by fighting in every war since the revolution. I have relatives in Texas. I blog at saberpoint.blogspot.com and confederategray.blogspot.com. I have forgot more about conservatism than most of you will ever know. So if you don't like, F*ck off.

Blogger Stogie November 16, 2012 2:29 PM  

"The Republican meme patrol kool aid is strong smelling today."

That's not what smells, Patrick. It's your attitude.

Blogger Stogie November 16, 2012 2:37 PM  

Sadly, the reason for Dan's extreme prejudice is that out of a population of roughly 30 million, your full complete list wouldn't extend very much longer than those you've listed.

Chuck Norris is a man capable of many things, but I doubt that even he can get upwards of 20 million people to stop being assholes.


Ah Scooby-Doobius (no doubt named after his favorite TV show), once again you demonstrate rampant bigotry. 20 million Californians aren't "assholes," only about 60% are. The rest are conservatives. There are many of them, too many to list here. Try Brian Sussman and Melanie Morgan at KSFO radio in San Francisco -- for instance. And Michael Savage. California was long a conservative, Republican state, when it was mostly white. With massive Hispanic immigration, thanks to the Democrat 1965 immigration law, we conservatives have become a minority in our own state.

Unfortunately, Dan seems to be a stereotypical redneck who can only think of vast groups of people in stark and simple terms, because actual thought is just too painful, hey Dan?

Anonymous patrick kelly November 16, 2012 2:39 PM  

"Reagan bankrupted the Soviet Union with defense spending...turned around a very sick economy and produced a long period of economic growth"

Apparently he gets all the credit for this and doesn't share any of it with "a Democratic congress" who is to blame for all inability to "produce miracles".

FWIW, Ronald Reagan is one of my favorite presidents, but spin is spin, and I was there.



Anonymous Josh November 16, 2012 2:43 PM  

StogieNovember 16, 2012 2:20 PMJosh, "paleoconservatives" are anti-Israel, and also anti-semitic, though they don't openly admit it. They cry great crocodile tears over dead Iraqis but not dead Israelis. They are the same mindless fools who believe that 911 was "an inside job." They are anti-military and would reduce the US to a defenseless backwater if they had the chance.

There is nothing wrong with being "anti-Israel" or "anti-semitic". The interests of the united States are not always the same as the interests of Israel. Which should Americans, and our government, pursue?

As far as dead Iraqis vis a vis dead Israelis, lives lost to war are always tragic. Certainly a greater number of Iraqis have died from war than Israelis over, say, thirty years. The main opposition to the Iraq war from the paleo side came from a concern about the ramifications on our security, military, economy, etc as wellas oour diplomatic relations and just war theory. It was not "giant crocodile tears" unless you're an idiot lie kristol or frum.

Paleos are not truthers and were not the driving force behind that movement. They point out that 9/11 has led to the creation of a massive national security state and the doctrines of torture, preemptive war, endless war, detainments, warrantless wiretapping, etc.

Finally, they are not anti-military, and they recognize that our foreign policy today does nothing to strengthen our national defense. Furthermore, they acknowledge the fiscal insanity an unsustainabiliy of our military budget.

Anonymous Dan in Tx (anti-semite) November 16, 2012 2:44 PM  

Wow Stogie, you've proven me so wrong, I beg...BEG you to please move here and make our world better.

Now paleo's are anti-semitic?! How the hell did we go from the topic generally being,".... people who prefer big government in their native lands are always going to prefer big government in the lands they've invaded. This is as true of Californians moving to Texas and Massachusetts residents moving to New Hampshire as it is of Malaysians and Mexicans moving to the USA...." to Israel, anti-semitism and where you blog at? You were the one who threw out the whole, "dare you to stop me from moving where I want" when I never implied that people like you weren't free to move where they want, just that we prefer that you don't move HERE. I've seen nothing reflected in your contributions here to change my mind.

I do somewhat regret my line about Austin, as Scubious' description is actually a pretty good one.

Anonymous Noah B. November 16, 2012 2:46 PM  

"Noah, someone who uses as many generalities as you do should not insist on specificity when you provide none."

I listed specific grievances I had with the Reagan administration based on legislation they had supported and that passed. Your reading comprehension is quite poor, and you are attacking me based on your assumptions of what I believe. The word strawman is definitely overused around here, but in this case, it most certainly fits.

"He was burdened with a Democratic congress and couldn't produce miracles."

But this great hero of yours still knew how to use a pen, right? Or is a man upholding his oath of office and writing the word "VETO" on a piece of paper your idea of a miracle?

Anonymous Josh November 16, 2012 2:47 PM  

Unfortunately, Dan seems to be a stereotypical redneck who can only think of vast groups of people in stark and simple terms, because actual thought is just too painful, hey Dan?

Aren't you doing the same thing, you pinko commie vegan faggot?

Anonymous JI November 16, 2012 2:47 PM  

Umm, Vox, I think this poll supports your position. You speak as though these folks disagree with you, but I take it that they would agree wholeheartedly that Romney was too moderate for his core, and I'm sure they would also agree that immigrants have no appreciation for, heck, no conceptualization of, the ideas of limited government.

Anonymous Josh November 16, 2012 2:49 PM  

Reagan bankrupted the Soviet Union with defense spending, thus ending the USSR. He provided great tax incentives (likek the ACRS system), turned around a very sick economy and produced a long period of economic growth. He was burdened with a Democratic congress and couldn't produce miracles.

What about the massive deficits and enormous increase in the national debt? What about raising taxes? What about amnesty for illegals?

Anonymous Josh November 16, 2012 2:50 PM  

Umm, Vox, I think this poll supports your position. You speak as though these folks disagree with you, but I take it that they would agree wholeheartedly that Romney was too moderate for his core

Then why didn't they pick that answer?

Anonymous patrick kelly November 16, 2012 2:50 PM  

"Finally, they are not anti-military, and they recognize that our foreign policy today does nothing to strengthen our national defense. Furthermore, they acknowledge the fiscal insanity an unsustainabiliy of our military budget."

That is why Republicans lie just as much as the Dems about the the national finances. When any of the Republic-rat leadership admits that the "fiscal cliff" is just a good start, and even more spending cuts and tax increases are necessary to reduce both the deficit and dept in any meaningful amount I will consider them conservative once again. Until then, they are just the red side of a bi-factional ruling coin made out of tin.

Anonymous Noah B. November 16, 2012 2:58 PM  

"Reagan bankrupted the Soviet Union with defense spending, thus ending the USSR."

Even if that's true -- so what? And at what cost was that achieved?

Blogger Nate November 16, 2012 3:04 PM  

And I note that Reagan keeps getting credit for bankrupting the USSR... and yet the only thing that is actually different... is its called Russia now... oh... and it has tons of money... and produces massive amounts of oil.

In otherwords...

less than 30 years after Reagan "Defeated" the USSR... the USSR is in far better financial shape than the USA is.

Aint that a bitch?

Anonymous Josh November 16, 2012 3:06 PM  

Also Nate, Vladimir is more of a manly badass than ol Ronnie ever dreamed of being...

Blogger Nate November 16, 2012 3:09 PM  

Putin really is a badass. Reagan only played one on TV.

Anonymous Josh November 16, 2012 3:10 PM  

Ya know...the sad part about this gang rape on our vegan pal stogie is...he probably enjoyed it...

Anonymous scoobius dubious November 16, 2012 3:11 PM  

"Holy wall of text, scoobius!"

Heh heh. You thought _that_ was a wall of text? Guess we've got another customer who's never read "Molloy". Well hop to it, pilgrim -- there's a hole in your education that you clearly need to fill.

Anonymous scoobius dubious November 16, 2012 3:19 PM  

"and yet the only thing that is actually different... is its called Russia now... oh... and it has tons of money... and produces massive amounts of oil.

In otherwords... less than 30 years after Reagan "Defeated" the USSR... the USSR is in far better financial shape than the USA is. Aint that a bitch?"

This is rather wide of the mark. 'Russia', as a nation, has never been our ancestral atavistic blood enemy, it's just that the insane Bolshevik mass-murdering USSR was our ideological enemy. Now that there are no longer any bloodthirsty Communist ideological psychopaths looking to outflank us globally and take over the world, it is a relatively small matter if the country, Russia, pursues its legitimate interests, even if it does so more competently than we do. Maybe we could take a lesson or two, it wouldn't hurt.

These days (largely thanks to us), there will be no Russian tanks in Koln or Amsterdam or Milan. Or at least no Communist ones. But of course, when you think of the state of Russia's racial health relative to our own or the EU's, maybe a coupla Russian tanks in Western Europe wouldn't be such a bad idea.

Anonymous scoobius dubious November 16, 2012 3:22 PM  

"Ah Scooby-Doobius (no doubt named after his favorite TV show), once again you demonstrate rampant bigotry. 20 million Californians aren't "assholes," only about 60% are."

Please, please tell me you're channelling the great Buddy Hackett with this remark, and not actually trying to make what Harry Nilsson called a "point".

Blogger Nate November 16, 2012 3:33 PM  

"These days (largely thanks to us), there will be no Russian tanks in Koln or Amsterdam or Milan. Or at least no Communist ones."

We'll have to agree to disagree mate. In my eyes the threat is the same, if not greater...

Not that I particularly care which socialists run europe... german... french... russian... it doesn't much concern me. I'm just saying the whole idea that reagan killed anything is inaccurate.

In fact he did far more to weaken america than he did to destroy the USSR.

Anonymous scoobius dubious November 16, 2012 3:44 PM  

"In my eyes the threat [from Russia, if I understand aright] is the same, if not greater..."

Why would you say? Not looking to be difficult, I'm curious where your outlook is coming from. In my view a few Rooskie tank brigades in Western Europe to clean things up might not be the worst thing in the world.

We prevented one invasion of Western Europe, then failed (as did they themselves) to prevent a different, more pernicious, and much more long-lasting one. These days I'd rather see a Russian tank parked in the middle of Copenhagen than a minaret.


"In fact he did far more to weaken america than he did to destroy the USSR."

It's a plausible point; and since I'm not a Reagan worshiper nor detractor, seems to me worth considering.

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 16, 2012 4:07 PM  

Don Reynolds:
I thank God that our current crop of Republicans were not in the White House the morning after Pearl Harbor. They would have promptly surrendered the Pacific to the Empire of Japan....and very probably the West Coast too.

I do not often agree with Rush Limbaugh, but I have to agree with his more recent observation: When the Liberals lose big in an election, as they did in 2010, no one suggests that they compromise their principles and values or become more conservative in their message in order to win in the next election. But when the "conservatives" break even or lose an election, our own RINOs are the first to surrender their sword and swear fealty to their new masters.

We have always had appeasers and gutless, spineless, limp individuals. When I was a boy, they said "Better Red, than Dead!". They were wrong then and they are wrong now. Either we stand up and fight for what we believe in or we pass under the yoke and join the heathen as their slaves. Patrick Henry said...I know not what others will choose, but give me Liberty or give me Death. Live free or die, friends and fellows.


The chief purpose of the Republican party is to serve as the "conservative" wing of the dialectic strategy run by the ruling squid oligarchy. Republicans sell themselves as an opposition party but they are actually there to conserve the advances made by the vanguard D-jersey squad. As Limbaugh mentioned, not a word about "compromise" or "bi-partisanship" was heard from the D=jerseys in the wake of their shellacking in 2010. They knew the fix was in before the new congress was even seated.

Weepin' Johnny, Eric Cantor and all those boyz in the Repuke's Brokeback Bathhouse have been tremendously successful at conserving every single advance made by the Pelosi-Reid congress that came before them - which is their actual agenda. The raised debt ceilings, continued to increase spending, continued Obamacare's implementation, let Eric Holder walk away from outright lawless criminal activity, bought Janet Napolitano's DHS stasi-army enough ammo to kill everyone 5 times over, continued the imperial adventures to make the Ummah safe for feminism sodomy and the Amurikan way, allowed Hussein to grant amnesty by executive decree to lawbreakers, gave Hussein power to detain and kill citizens for any reason - or no reason at all - with total impunity. That's just for starters. This list could be expanded to a huge wall of text.

The truly remarkable thing in all this disaster is that the majority of those who might form some opposition to the locust agenda continue to think that the Repukes are an opposition party - even in the direct face of the Soviet-style 'parliamentary procedure' used in the Tampa convention to deny the existence of a candidate who won at least four states. They continue to think that bankstas and rigged markets are the "free-market economy". They continue to deny the deadly enemies within their own camp. Limbaugh and most of his listeners insist that the finest grape drank from the Rev. Jones' kettle is somehow good for them. They see the corpses but cannot connect the dots.

Anonymous scoobius dubious November 16, 2012 4:09 PM  

"The raised debt ceilings, continued to increase spending, continued Obamacare's implementation, let Eric Holder walk away from outright lawless criminal activity, bought Janet Napolitano's DHS stasi-army enough ammo to kill everyone 5 times over, continued the imperial adventures to make the Ummah safe for feminism sodomy and the Amurikan way, allowed Hussein to grant amnesty by executive decree to lawbreakers, gave Hussein power to detain and kill citizens for any reason - or no reason at all - with total impunity."

OK now for the $60,000 question. Ask yourself: what do all those goals have in common? HINT: It isn't just power for power's sake.

Anonymous Mr. Nightstick November 16, 2012 4:58 PM  

USSR != Russia. Anyone with a map can tell you that.

Blogger Lovekraft November 16, 2012 5:42 PM  

Since democrats get to spend all their time and money and energy getting elected and not actually governing anything, it's no wonder they win elections.

Anonymous The Great Martini November 16, 2012 5:57 PM  

Article that provides counterpoint claiming that the election was actually the clash of two different Big Gov. visions. It's just that immigrants viewed the Republican BG vision as one attacking them and their extended families.

Blogger mmaier2112 November 16, 2012 6:44 PM  

"Actually, it's entirely false. The Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act was upheld by the Supreme Court in Gonzales v. Carhart. It's a shame that mmaier2112 had to ruin his good point with an ignorant, false example. (Or, I guess another possible interpretation, it's a shame that mmaier2112 had to ruin his point with irony that is hard not to miss.)

Regardless, no one suctions nine-month-old fetuses' brains out anymore in these United States. At least, not legally."


I'm glad to be wrong in this instance. Still, reading the various Google results, it's damn hard to tell if this SC decision changed the facts of any abortions in this country or simply the methods.

So far, it seems like a distinction without a difference.

Anonymous E. PERLINE November 16, 2012 7:10 PM  

The main character of the Mikado, when accused of not carrying out the order to execute all traitors says-If the Mikado orders it, it as good as done. If it is as good as done, I had no need to hurry."

The Mikado says--"Your reasoning is perfectly understandable."

Yes, Obama is a communist. He's a Democrat, therefore he's liberal. He's a liberal, therefore he's a socialist. He's a socialist, therefore he's a communist. Perfectly understandable.

Anonymous pajama bottom November 16, 2012 7:52 PM  

As the reliably clueless Republican party becomes more and more liberalized in a misplaced attempt to garner more voters ,soon the only thing that will distinguish the Republicans from the Democrats will be Republicans' American flag lapel pins and their inability to dance.

Anonymous Nah November 16, 2012 8:30 PM  

less than 30 years after Reagan "Defeated" the USSR... the USSR is in far better financial shape than the USA is.

This is as dumb as claiming that because Germany became strong in 1933, she was not really defeated in WW1, or that because she was economically strong in the 1960s, she was not really defeated in 1945.

A defeat is a defeat EVEN if the loser subsequently rises from the ashes or the winner subsequently declines through hubris, sloth, incompetence, or some other cause.

Blogger rcocean November 16, 2012 11:09 PM  

Except for Reagan and Bush I in 1988 (he ran falsely as a Reagan Republican) every Republican POTUS nominee has been a moderate and except for Bush in 2004, none has gotten over 49% of the vote. Mitt lost because he lost the Midwest. He offered lower income whites nothing. No social conservatism, no economic patriotism, no populism -nothing, just Obama Lite with a few tax cuts.

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 17, 2012 3:51 AM  

Stogie:
Josh, "paleoconservatives" are anti-Israel, and also anti-semitic, though they don't openly admit it. They cry great crocodile tears over dead Iraqis but not dead Israelis. They are the same mindless fools who believe that 911 was "an inside job." They are anti-military and would reduce the US to a defenseless backwater if they had the chance.

Good God, did someone resurrect Fred Backer? Yes, dear, we know that you think that invading the Ummah to make it safe for feminism, sodomy and the Amurikan way is real, real important 'cause all them goat-humpin' hadjis just hate us for our freedumbs. It's like someone stringing together Neo-Trotskyite and Bushevik cliches. Fred, in case you didn't pay attention to the details of 9/11 - it was actually the government's fault. If the regime had bothered to enforce its own immigration laws, most of those who hijacked the planes would not have been in the country to do it. But we couldn't have that because all your chamber of commerce buddies were too busy selling rope.

Anonymous E. PERLINE November 17, 2012 2:01 PM  

Regardng "Hostess Twinkies," the bakery and factory workers are supposed to be paid as necessity dictates--I mean according to their availability and skill. If wages are higher than the market demands, it distorts the economy. But that isn't unusual. A lot of American companies have been distorting the economy for years.

What if there is a labor dispute in the public arena? It isn't generally known that the employees' side is already protected by strict civil service rules. These rules were put place to "protect" workers who couldn't be represented by a union. But--I don't know who started it--civil service workers now have unions as well!

Added to that, they have collective bargainers, politicians, judges, and the media. Do you think any of thse rascals would dare to be seen as anti-labor? The facts are--in a labor dispute, the public has no one representing them at all! They may give some some lip service to the issue, but they aren't geared to win.

Now I see two other factors coming into the picture. One is that the public is getting wise to the game. And another is that mathamatical numbers are are beginning to assert themselves. They can't be messed with indefinitely, you know.

Anonymous Curiouser and Curiouser, Attorneys at Law November 17, 2012 2:07 PM  

'Josh, "paleoconservatives" are anti-Israel, and also anti-semitic,'

Uh... request for clarification here.

Is there something axiomatically wrong with being anti-Israel?

Also: is there something essentially wrong with your being anti-semitic, once you perceive quite clearly that the semites are anti-you?

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 18, 2012 2:28 PM  

Looks like someone finally unearthed the reason why Republicans never challenge massive and blatant vote fraud. A consent decree signed in 1982.

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