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Sunday, November 11, 2012

The poison is the antidote

Or so numerous pundits, a number of whom actually voted for Obama in 2008, would have us believe given their advice to the Republican Party:
It was a crushing defeat.  Despite an economy as underpowered as a cheap flourescent light, Mitt Romney somehow failed to unseat Barack Obama.  And now it is time for the Republicans to rethink their platform in order to attract new voters--or doom themselves to permanent minority status.

I think the obvious place to start is with immigration reform.  Increase the number of visas available.  Explore guest-worker programs.  Establish a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants who were brought here as children and have never known any other home.  This not only gives the GOP a shot at the Latino vote, but also softens their image in the eyes of the professional class, who might be willing to give the party another look if it didn't seem so committed to deporting poorer, darker skinned people who just want a shot at picking fruit, trimming lawns, and cleaning houses.

The GOP would also help itself with those people by embracing gay marriage.  To be sure, this might cause them some problems with the evangelical base whose organizing support is crucial to Republican get-out-the-vote efforts.  But the GOP could assuage that tension by promulgating a hard-core, Republican version of gay and straight marriage.  That's why they should pair it with making marriage mandatory, and eliminating no-fault divorce.  The message should be that if everyone can get married, then there's no really excuse not to be.   Oh, I know, the divorce changes might cause friction with the kind of Republicans who go through wives the way other men go through undershirts, but this seems like a small price to pay for a shot at the 1-3% of the electorate that is eligible for gay marriage.  
The frightening thing here is that McCardle attempts to portray herself as an economist.  My suggestion is that one never take either political or economic advice from an economist, however tall, who cannot figure out that 20 percent is larger than 2 percent....

Regardless, there is only one viable long-term solution for the Republican Party, indeed, for the survival of constitutional America throughout the current territorial limits of the United States, and that is a repeat of Operation Wetback on a vastly larger scale. Such an action would require the banning of all dual-citizenships, mass deportations on an unprecedented scale, and likely inspire violence of the sort that has not been seen in America since the riots of the 1960s.  And, needless to say, it is clear there is now no chance that it is ever going to happen.

Which is a real pity, because it would actually have been the lesser of the two probable evils.  What is going to happen instead is some sort of civil war following the next major stage in the ongoing economic meltdown.  How big it will be and how it will turn out, I don't pretend to know.  But it is as easily predictable as the wars in the former Soviet Union, the former Yugoslavia, and the former British empire in India, because war is how diverse groups of people usually negotiate imperial divorce.  The USA has not truly been a single nation since imperial rule was forcibly imposed upon the southern states in 1865, but the difference is that it is no longer possible to plausibly pretend that it is still one any longer.

It's not a question of hate, race, or religion.  It is the simple historical observation that the Kuomintang will not voluntarily live under the same governance as the Chinese communists.  Pakistanis will not voluntarily live under the same governance as the Indians.  Americans will not voluntarily live under the same governance as Mexicans, Chinese, Indians, or Arabs.  They just will not do it, and to pretend otherwise isn't so much foolish as insane.

It doesn't matter what you do.  It doesn't matter what you think.  Winter is coming.  The only question is whether it will take you by surprise or not.  And there really isn't much excuse for being surprised when the temperature has been dropping and the leaves have been falling for quite some time now.

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Blogger Pope Cleophus I November 11, 2012 8:25 AM  

Operation Wetback

I like that, although I do not believe that it will be government sponsored. If the government were to open the immigration floodgates, I can see violence coming from the affected natives.

On a personal note, if the H-1B visa program continues to expand, I may start looking offshore to ply my trade as it is nothing more than a way for tech companies to continually lower the prevailing wage.

Blogger Shimshon November 11, 2012 8:39 AM  

In the "most importantest election evah" department, something significant did happen in California (where I was born and grew up, and my parents still live) last week. For the first time since the 2/3 super-majority rule was enacted as part of Prop 13 (of yea many aeons ago), the Democrats have passed that threshold (unless something has changed). That's big news.

Now we can witness (preferably from afar) the firepower of the fully armed and operational California State Legislature. Younger people find it astonishing, but California was once one of the most reliably conservative states. In six out of seven elections prior to Clinton, it went Republican. It went FORD in 1976!!! It was actually a very nice, if slightly warped, place to go grow up.

Anonymous jack November 11, 2012 8:39 AM  

Where is Nate? Has he gotten up and had his coffee? Just keep in mind Nate that this next civil war cannot be one of mass armies fighting pitched battles. Take the lessons of our conflicts with low tech natives in any given land. Extrapolate that to small, armed and motivated bands of really pissed off men nation wide...

Oh. I forgot. This is modern America. The spark of rebellion, actually required of us as citizens by the Founders as a mandate of citizenship and control of the dictatorship class, is burning really low I think. If something is really due on the 21st. of next month [unlikely, of course] then the decision may be taken out of our hands.

On well, now I can have my morning tea, and breakfast and may start feeling a bit better. Maybe.....

Anonymous CrisisEraDynamo November 11, 2012 8:40 AM  

Vox, you forgot to put a period at the end of the final sentence.

Anonymous PA November 11, 2012 8:46 AM  

It woudl be nice to get a Czech-Slovaks type of velvet divorce. But I don't think the two nations really had a whole lot of hate for one another, so it was easy for them to part ways amicably.

Americans, on the other hand, hate each other hard. The really creepy thing is that the more dominion and undisputed power liberals have over the vanquished conservatives, the more fevered their white-hot hate. This will not end well.

Anonymous CatDog November 11, 2012 8:47 AM  

Heather MacDonald wrote an article after the election showing that the reason Hispanics don't vote for Republicans has very little to do with immigration. Its mainly about welfare and the fact that a huge percentage of them receive it and they know its the Democrats that will carry on to supply them with it.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332916/why-hispanics-dont-vote-republicans-heather-mac-donald

I said before the only way constitutional America survives is through secession of some sort or mass violence. Most probably a combination of both. But ethnic boundaries amongst whites may mean certain groups of whites won't even fit into this new America. If we accept that certain white ethnic groups and more prone to being left wing and hence will eventually cause the same problems that happened to the original America then they shouldn't be allowed in.

Anonymous Josh November 11, 2012 8:50 AM  

People throughout the South have been talking secession since Wednesday morning...there is a petition on whitehouse.gov to let Louisiana secede...local officials in Texas are saying that Texas can do better on it's own...

Anonymous Stilicho November 11, 2012 8:53 AM  

They will declare war upon us and blame us for the war if we try to defend ourselves. It isn't as if they have not done so before. The insatiable maw of statism requires huge numbers of serfs. This is why socialists always insist that everyone must be part of their utopian vision, even if participation is compelled at gunpoint: institutionalized slavery requires slaves.

As one far more eloquent than me once stated:

They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!


A time for choosing approaches.

Anonymous Stilicho November 11, 2012 8:59 AM  

People throughout the South have been talking secession since Wednesday morning...there is a petition on whitehouse.gov to let Louisiana secede...local officials in Texas are saying that Texas can do better on it's own...

Well, at least the electoral poison is making the victims think about an antidote.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 November 11, 2012 9:08 AM  

Eliminate dual citizenship? You're more likely to get Operation Wetback started up again as pretty much every high official or well-connected power-broker has dual citizenship.

Blogger Jim, November 11, 2012 9:10 AM  

The first Federal response to secession will be economic sanctions. I am very much in favor of secession, but multiple States need to go at the same time..one off States seceding that don't border with other seceding States would be starved quickly

Blogger Crude November 11, 2012 9:19 AM  

That's why they should pair it with making marriage mandatory, and eliminating no-fault divorce.

This is a joke, right? I mean literally, I assume this is just her trying to be funny. Because if she were serious, it'd have to be the most stupid thing I ever read in terms of political advice.

What does "making marriage mandatory" mean? Like... you're 18/21, time to get married? I'd rather be drafted.

Anonymous Brendan November 11, 2012 9:21 AM  

It was predictable that the punditry would come out on this the way that they have. Most of them don't like social conservatives, and don't like most whites (i.e., non-SWPL whites), so it's a welcome opportunity to throw both under the bus in an effort to change the GOP into an economy-only party with otherwise feel good leftist bona fides so that they can feel better with their liberal SWPL friends at cocktail parties. But the reality is as you say -- if you throw the social conservatives under the bus to get a certain percentage of a tiny gay vote, and another certain small percentage of a much larger Latino vote after amnesty, you're simply guaranteeing a permanent Democratic majority. Which seems to be what they want -- they probably think that's going to happen anyway, and they'd prefer to be part of a "respectable opposition" rather than aligned with those trashy whites in WV and OK, and social conservatives in general.

The war among whites continues apace, of course.

Anonymous Lurker Jim November 11, 2012 9:22 AM  

Secession/civil war requires a critical mass of "Americans" to begin the process. And a strong majority of their own kind to actually pull it off.

As much as I have learned over the years to not disagree with Vox, subjugation seems much more likely than civil war. I wish I held his optimism.

Anonymous Anonymous November 11, 2012 9:24 AM  

Jim, you say, "The first Federal response to secession will be economic sanctions. I am very much in favor of secession, but multiple States need to go at the same time..one off States seceding that don't border with other seceding States would be starved quickly. "

Excellent points! I applaud LA and TX (and anyone else) for "going there"; and I don't care if it's one of the Southern states who primes the pump or not: heck, I wish good ol' Jan Brewer in AZ would tell the feds to pound sand, and threaten to arrest any of them who are sent there to keep her from enforcing AZ's illegal immigration laws. But you're right, serious thought needs to be given to alliances and how to carry through with this course of action so as to make the successful outcome far more certain.

Regards,
David Smith
Tennessee

Anonymous DrTorch November 11, 2012 9:30 AM  

There seems to be some sense left out there

Republican establishment rushes to surrender

Anonymous Faust November 11, 2012 9:35 AM  

Vox,

I'm almost certain McArdle's piece was a parody. Did you see the part where she suggests niche positions designed to appeal to tall people?

Anonymous VD November 11, 2012 9:42 AM  

I'm almost certain McArdle's piece was a parody. Did you see the part where she suggests niche positions designed to appeal to tall people?

Of course it is. Also this bit: "Sure, a few constituencies may squawk, like homeowners, parents, rich people, non-profits, manufacturers, environmentalists, drivers, and users of electricity. But the GOP will gain the critical economist vote."

The point is that there are a lot of people, beginning with Sean Hannity, who believe her parody case is correct. And I doubt if McCardle supports mass deportations and banning dual-citizenship, in which case she might as well embrace the parody.

Anonymous Obvious Guy November 11, 2012 9:46 AM  

Oh my.

Blogger Robert S. Oculus III November 11, 2012 10:06 AM  

If Texas secedes, she will be crushed. The federal entity will react with stunning violence against any instance of disloyalty. One state -- even Texas -- cannot long survive the full force of Washington's power. It would be like Ukraine trying to secede from the Soviet Union circa 1969.

But if Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana, West Virginia, Georgia, South Carolina, Arizona, Wyoming, Nebraska, Montana, Idaho, Utah, both Dakotas, and Alaska were all to secede on the same day... well, now, that would be a different story, wouldn't it?

Ukraine could not have unilaterially seceded from the USSR. But when Ukraine, Poland, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and the others all decided to go at more or less the same time, even the long arm of Moscow was too weak to hold them by force.

A governors' meeting in some secure venue is called for. We can secede -- and succeed -- if we act as one. "Spirit of 1989."

Anonymous Despair November 11, 2012 10:15 AM  

Perhaps New England's Vermont, NH, and Maine will secede as well.

Anonymous The other skeptic November 11, 2012 10:27 AM  

Kevin Drum tells us what acceptable speech looks like

I think George Orwell was right.

Prior to the War of Northern (Massachusetts-based) Aggression, certain whites (and the South) were evil because of slavery.

Now it is opposition to diversity and unrestricted immigration. I think I have just heard the first shots fired in Civil War II.

Anonymous Shild November 11, 2012 10:29 AM  

For a while now, and especially in the last few days, I've been rethinking the general libertarian approach to politics.

From Mises' melancholia to Rand's call to "quit" to VD's Jeremiads about the inevitable end of the West, the message is the same: do nothing. Create a safe exit strategy for yourself and then sit back and watch the destruction, with drink in hand and knowing "I told you so" smirk on your lips.

Well I'm really doubting the wisdom of this entire outlook. Honestly, it's looking more and more like a failure to heed Edmund Burke's famous maxim: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing". And even if the fall of the West is inevitable, I feel that there is less honor in Rand's advice than in Dylan Thomas': "Do not go gentle into that good night./Rage, rage against the dying of the light. "

So basically, I'm considering becoming active in politics.

Anonymous Francisco November 11, 2012 10:31 AM  

Because millions of migrants aspire to pick fruit, trim lawns, and clean houses.

Blogger Crude November 11, 2012 10:32 AM  

Alright, that's a relief. I didn't read the full article, but the snippet almost sounded like a serious suggestion.

Didn't help that I thought it was a piece from Megan McCain, who I wouldn't put this past.

Anonymous Stilicho November 11, 2012 10:34 AM  

So basically, I'm considering becoming active in politics.

Far too late. If you look closely at those jeremiads, you will see that the message is not merely "do nothing" it is chose wisely how you direct your efforts because the collapse is inevitable.

Anonymous Godfrey November 11, 2012 10:36 AM  

There ate two issues the GOP will never compromise on:

WAR
Suppressing civil liberties (WAR related)


Everything else will be jettisoned.

They should change their name to the WAR Party.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler November 11, 2012 10:39 AM  

No, Maine, Vermont, and NH all voted for Obama solidly the second time around.

In 1993, I was discharged from the military and went to live in Northern California. My friend and I attended a Republican candidate meeting and I decided to pass out campaign literature in front of a Catholic Church, I believe it was Santa Rosa, California.

A lady looked at my literature and then pointed to all the mexican parishoneers and said, 'Ha, you don't stand a chance. These people vote Democratic and they will become a huge voting bloc. You're going to be history". She was a white lady. She walked away smug and giddy! This was in 1993.

If she was so prescient about the circumstances in 1993, where were the "republican intelligentsia"? Pat Buchanan was the only one. Do you follow a party that is so blind and stupid? Yet even Pat Buchanan had to be "politically correct" when his running mate was a black woman and a Jewish Rabbi was some sort of important advisor to him.

What is strangling the solution to our problems is the ideology of political correctness. The Republicans have adopted this hook line and sinker.

The situation is dire and terrible.

Anonymous The other skeptic November 11, 2012 10:40 AM  


On a personal note, if the H-1B visa program continues to expand, I may start looking offshore to ply my trade as it is nothing more than a way for tech companies to continually lower the prevailing wage.


Someone said something about this on another blog somewhere, along the lines of:

Depending on your field, the reality is that for high-tech positions the supply of qualified people is still smaller than the demand given that such people need high IQs, reasonable command of English and a willingness to work hard and in technical areas.

My experience in Silly Valley is that there are very few females who make the grade, and those tend to be Chinese or Indian and more like grunt workers. In addition, I am seeing the use of offshore development teams diminishing because:

1. It is too hard to coordinate.

2. It is too hard to supervise them and make sure they actually deliver (there are lots of them who claim that can do stuff, but they got their cousin to interview for them).

3. It is not as cheap as you might think.

Anonymous Orville November 11, 2012 10:44 AM  

Shild, I can understand the sentiment, but a cold hard look at the lay of the land and the history of governments show that this one's over. We are transitioning to whatever comes next to replace it.

The evil is there to be foreseen, now it's time to hide. Use your resources to run silent and deep.

Anonymous Godfrey November 11, 2012 10:45 AM  

This was a massive lose for the Neo-cons (and the Bush dynasty).

Has anyone heard the promotion of WAR with Persia mentioned even once as a potential reason? Or the fact that Romney was surrounded by Bush era neo-cons?

No... the reason is never the Neo-cons. It's everything else but that.

Anonymous Shild November 11, 2012 10:47 AM  

Stilicho, you're making my point for me. Is it moral to lie down and allow evil to take the world without a fight, just because you think its victory is inevitable? What chance do you think your children will have, if they grow up in a world that is antagonistic to the values you teach them?

Anonymous Shild November 11, 2012 10:53 AM  

The evil is there to be foreseen, now it's time to hide. Use your resources to run silent and deep.

And then what? Wait in the shadows for generations, hoping for someone else to build the next great civilization where you can be free?

Anonymous Orville November 11, 2012 10:53 AM  

What chance do you think your children will have, if they grow up in a world that is antagonistic to the values you teach them?

The world is always antagonistic to God's ways. That shouldn't be your deciding factor. There is a fight to be fought that is even more difficult, yet more essential than fighting against governments. That fight is to stand for Christ and his way's starting in your own family and circle of influence, not "fighting the good fight" by supporting some PAC against abortion or gay marriage.

Blogger IM2L844 November 11, 2012 10:57 AM  

I remember after the 2008 election, everywhere I went black people went out of their way to be extra friendly. This time, I'm sensing more of a cocky smugness. It really doesn't matter though. The pendulum will reach it's apex soon enough. The era of America's Cesars can't be too far off.

Anonymous zen0 November 11, 2012 10:57 AM  

So basically, I'm considering becoming active in politics. Shild

And do what, specifically?

As far as good men doing nothing, good men are constantly biting at the ankles of Evil, but Evil triumphs anyway.

Lots of people rage against the dying of the light, and are considered loonies and extremists and the light dies anyway.

Anonymous mjb November 11, 2012 10:59 AM  

What about an attempt at splitting the democratic party? As it gains more power, won't it likely have an internal civil war of it's own? Can it be possible that various liberal factions will have splits as they realize the money truly has dried up?

Anonymous Godfrey November 11, 2012 11:00 AM  

Sic transit gloria mundi

Come on, did you really think this would last? If you understand Christian theology, or even ancient mythology, then you already knew nothing of man in this world lasts.



Anonymous Shild November 11, 2012 11:01 AM  

There is a fight to be fought that is even more difficult, yet more essential than fighting against governments. That fight is to stand for Christ and his way's starting in your own family and circle of influence

The two battles need not be mutually exclusive.

not "fighting the good fight" by supporting some PAC against abortion or gay marriage.

Sound fiscal policy and limiting government power are what I had in mind, actually.

Seriously, what is the point of withdrawing from the fray when you know you could make things better?

Anonymous Orville November 11, 2012 11:04 AM  

Freedom means different things to different people. Fred Reed arguably has more freedom than many of us yet he lives in Mexico. Further, freedom, in the sense of a government that largely leaves you unmolested is a rare occurrence throughout history.

God sets up rulers and takes them down as he sees fit, often to either bless or judge a nation. I really don't see a biblical justification for taking up arms against whoever the current regime is. If the country broke up into sections, I would consider relocating to an area that was mostly white.

Anonymous Brandon November 11, 2012 11:06 AM  

Who gives a rats fanny what some fembot/nazi has to say about anything.

Anonymous Shild November 11, 2012 11:06 AM  

And do what, specifically?

Teach the people sound economics. Show them, by reason and example, how the policies of the last century are hurting them, and how libertarian policies could improve their lives.

As far as good men doing nothing, good men are constantly biting at the ankles of Evil, but Evil triumphs anyway.

This is false, and also insane.

Lots of people rage against the dying of the light, and are considered loonies and extremists and the light dies anyway.

You obviously don't actually believe that the West is dying. If you did, you wouldn't be worried about other peoples' opinion of you.

Anonymous Shild November 11, 2012 11:10 AM  

I really don't see a biblical justification for taking up arms against whoever the current regime is. -Orville

Taking up arms? I'm talking about getting active in politics, not rebellion.

Anonymous Orville November 11, 2012 11:15 AM  

Seriously, what is the point of withdrawing from the fray when you know you could make things better?

I'm a fixer by nature, and usually think that there is always a way around a problem, so I'm sympathetic to your point of view. But, some things break beyond repair. I can't say this often enough, governments eventually die. Always. I'm looking at this current mess and see no solution for all the various reasons that have been listed before such as demographics, government freebies, etc.

Look around. Yesterday I had to visit a Walmart in a suburb of Kansas City that I grew up in. That Walmart is a third world hell-hole. Even the few white eloi that work there are worthless. In my mind I see a way to run that place efficiently instead of queuing up like they do in central and south America. That world we grew up in is gone. There are only isolated pockets left.

Blogger Bob November 11, 2012 11:16 AM  

The war among whites continues apace, of course.

Ah yes...

But when the whites finish their infighting, they will then turn their attention to those who have trying to destroy them.

It will incredible to watch.

Blogger Shmiggen Mghow November 11, 2012 11:18 AM  

I take it you don't feel we are being enriched with vibrancy and diversity.

Anonymous Orville November 11, 2012 11:19 AM  

Shild, Libertarianism is a dead end and the reason why is that American's today do not reason, and do not want to be taught a better way. The Free Stuff Party has won their hearts, and feminism has caused them not to think, but to feel.

Anonymous Shild November 11, 2012 11:22 AM  

Shild, Libertarianism is a dead end and the reason why is that American's today do not reason, and do not want to be taught a better way. The Free Stuff Party has won their hearts, and feminism has caused them not to think, but to feel. -Orville

...because those who know better are too enfeebled by pessimistic defeatism to do anything about it.

Anonymous Noah B. November 11, 2012 11:23 AM  

For those with a few hours to spare today, I'd recommend the Ann Barnhardt videos that were posted on Friday.

barnhardt.biz

Anonymous Anonymous November 11, 2012 11:25 AM  

-I really don't see a biblical justification for taking up arms against whoever the current regime is. If the country broke up into sections, I would consider relocating to an area that was mostly white."

God(s) help those who help themselves.

Anonymous Hoss November 11, 2012 11:29 AM  

Did we really need Heather MacDonald to tell us Hispanics vote for democrats because they're the ones that keep the freebies coming.

Obama's re-election was an affirmation of the new identity for America in which failure is celebrated over success. Learn from it, and the next time you're inspired to do a little extra to better yourself, or work a little harder, just dial it back. The new America says that kind of thinking is for suckers....and subversives. Buy ammo.

Anonymous Orville November 11, 2012 11:30 AM  

This has been another red pill year for me. This time on race relations. I knew and recognized the problems with vibrancy for some years, but was real uncomfortable with it. I'm not anymore. White's need to preserve our culture and stop feeling bad about calling out the bad behavior in the Blacks and Hispanics. If people want to put effort into something then I suggest promoting White Christian culture should be one of them.

As an aside, there are a few blacks who are not tainted, but they won't survive. Just look at Rep. West (R) who apparently lost the election in Florida to a Dem. They will be necklaced literally or figuratively by their own kind.

Anonymous Holla November 11, 2012 11:33 AM  

Many antidotes are synthesized from poisons.

Anonymous Godfrey November 11, 2012 11:37 AM  

Step one: Ignore the government and its various institutions the best you can and stop waving its silly little flag. In other words, mentally secede.

Step two: Think locally, act locally. If you must, focus on local politics first. Focus on the village, township or county level.

Anonymous Orville November 11, 2012 11:40 AM  

Shild, of the 120,565,359 total votes cast for President the LP party brags that they doubled the LP votes from 2008 (see www.lp.org). Wow, great job Libertarians you got 1,139,562 votes!

0.95%

I like the libertarian thinking, but politically it is a dead end. The bi-factional ruling party wins again.

Anonymous Orville November 11, 2012 11:43 AM  

I agree with Godfrey. If you are all on fire to do something political, then keep it local.

On a large scale federal devolution is coming and those community's that are best positioned for self-sufficiency will fare the best.

Anonymous Godfrey November 11, 2012 11:43 AM  

"Obama's re-election was an affirmation of the new identity for America in which failure is celebrated over success. Learn from it, and the next time you're inspired to do a little extra to better yourself, or work a little harder, just dial it back. The new America says that kind of thinking is for suckers....and subversives." - Hoss


True to a point. However I also think it was also a referendum on Neo-Conservativism. The Neo-Conservatives and their policy of endless WAR was rejected... yet again.

P.S. They won't learn from the experience. I fully expect another Neo-Conservative to head the ticket in 2016. They're so stupid, they may actually try to run Jeb Bush.

Anonymous zen0 November 11, 2012 11:45 AM  

...because those who know better are too enfeebled by pessimistic defeatism to do anything about it.

@ Shild

Well, if you insist on being like that, go to Zero Hedge to read Ron Paul's statement and get fuelled up.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-11/ron-paul-new-beginning


Anonymous Godfrey November 11, 2012 11:48 AM  

"...because those who know better are too enfeebled by pessimistic defeatism to do anything about it."

@ Shild


If one understands human nature, one is naturally pessimistic.

Anonymous Frank Brady November 11, 2012 11:50 AM  

The November 6 outcome only confirms that the Welfare/Warfare state has entered its death spiral. Nothing will stop it. Survival should be the focus.

Anonymous whatever November 11, 2012 11:56 AM  


Depending on your field, the reality is that for high-tech positions the supply of qualified people is still smaller than the demand given that such people need high IQs, reasonable command of English and a willingness to work hard and in technical areas.


The lying animal speaks.

Of course, the lying animal has included a "safe-word" in his little pile of steaming shit. "Depending on you field". That means I could present a dozen fields of burnt wreckage and the animal would simply announce "I wasn't talking about that field".

So, animal, what fields WERE you talking about? Name three.

Anonymous Anonymous November 11, 2012 12:01 PM  

Step one: Ignore the government and its various institutions the best you can and stop waving its silly little flag. In other words, mentally secede.

Step two: Think locally, act locally. If you must, focus on local politics first. Focus on the village, township or county level.
----

So is there biblical justification for this?

Anonymous Shild November 11, 2012 12:04 PM  

Step one: Ignore the government and its various institutions the best you can and stop waving its silly little flag. In other words, mentally secede.

Step two: Think locally, act locally. If you must, focus on local politics first. Focus on the village, township or county level.


This seems to be good advice, although I would not turn my back on our flag. The US government's errors and crimes do not discredit the values our flag represents, just as the hypocrasy of Christians and churches do not discredit the cross.

Shild, of the 120,565,359 total votes cast for President the LP party brags that they doubled the LP votes from 2008 (see www.lp.org). Wow, great job Libertarians you got 1,139,562 votes!

0.95%

I like the libertarian thinking, but politically it is a dead end. The bi-factional ruling party wins again.


This is the same pragmatism that would recommend voting for the lesser of the two evils. It's also the same statistical logic as the global warming enthusiasts. Just because people voted that way before doesn't mean they will always vote that way.

If one understands human nature, one is naturally pessimistic.

Pessimism is not defeatism. Yes, convincing people to do the right thing is hard, that doesn't make it pointless, nor does it justify idleness.

I should point out here that I have a much higher opinion of people in general than VD appears to. A function of personal experience, I think, since I've had the good fortune of working with people that I consider to be very good, sensible, and effective for most of my career.

Anonymous Frank Brady November 11, 2012 12:22 PM  

Those who rule are disciples of Thomas Hobbes, not Marx. The summum malum is about to be rigorously employed.

Anonymous Shild November 11, 2012 12:26 PM  

Sorry, missed this:
I can't say this often enough, governments eventually die. Always. I'm looking at this current mess and see no solution for all the various reasons that have been listed before such as demographics, government freebies, etc. -Orville

I'm not really interested in "saving" the government, per se. You are of course correct, that governments do not last forever. I'm more interested in reforming it so that it puts aside imperialistic pretensions and serves the people, instead of the people serving the government.

Anonymous fnn November 11, 2012 12:33 PM  

Step one: Ignore the government and its various institutions the best you can and stop waving its silly little flag. In other words, mentally secede.

You can ignore USG but USG(which really includes not only DC but also
Harvard, Hollywood and Wall street) is not going to ignore you.

Anonymous Yorzhik November 11, 2012 12:39 PM  

Eh, too late to the party to get any decent comments.

However, Vox is all wrong on this. It's a leftist position to hate freedom, and immigrants are a vital part of having a free country. Besides, it's not an issue big enough to make a difference.

What should be done is a return to the message of freedom. Proclaim that all people are free to live, in the first place. And in this day we even need to add that all humans are people. Then, all people are free to transact with whomever they chose in or out of the country. All people are free to do with what they own as they please (which would include stuff they own that was purchased outside of the country). People should be free of government intrusion which includes regulation.

Taxes are a special case of regulation. All people should be free of the coercion that comes with a tax code where a tax is different for one person than another. Since all taxes are income taxes, the least coercive way to collect taxes is a flat rate income tax.

Anonymous Yorzhik November 11, 2012 12:41 PM  

And one more thing - the government has to get out of the business of raising children.

Anonymous fnn November 11, 2012 12:44 PM  

There ate two issues the GOP will never compromise on:

There's really only one issue they won't compromise on: Subservience to Israel

Anonymous The other skeptic November 11, 2012 12:54 PM  


Of course, the lying animal has included a "safe-word" in his little pile of steaming shit. "Depending on you field". That means I could present a dozen fields of burnt wreckage and the animal would simply announce "I wasn't talking about that field".

So, animal, what fields WERE you talking about? Name three.


Hmmm, let's see. Coding networking protocols, storage, kernel development, ...

I judge by the number of approaches I get from recruiters each week and the fact that as a non-Jewish white person who works with Indians, Chinese, and females, the number of competent people in those areas who are employable in the US is small and the demand is great.

Of course, if your field is, say, help desk support, then you are pretty much SOL, but then some help-desk stuff is coming back as well.

Anonymous fnn November 11, 2012 12:56 PM  

However, Vox is all wrong on this. It's a leftist position to hate freedom, and immigrants are a vital part of having a free country. Besides, it's not an issue big enough to make a difference.

Immigration:It's only a big issue in counties that REALLY matter-like Israel.

http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=290501

http://www.africareview.com/News/Israel+erects+high+tech+barrier+to+fight+African+migrants/-/979180/1612006/-/2rorvb/-/index.html

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/netanyahu-israel-could-be-overrun-by-african-infiltrators-1.431589

http://jfjfp.com/?p=33778


Anonymous johnc November 11, 2012 1:02 PM  

What is the theory behind Asian Americans going so large for Obama? Have they too become dependents or is it just that their cultural background better relates with that of the Democratic Party?

Anonymous JI November 11, 2012 1:04 PM  

I think this is one of the best mini-articles you've written, Vox. You are so right. If a culture has no history of limited government and liberty, its people will only destroy America from within once they arrive here.

Anonymous Anonymous November 11, 2012 1:05 PM  

Non-action comes back to bite us in the ass once again. Too late to take a hard stance on illegal immigration. If the Mexicans who were sneaking over the boarder were a new Republican voting block I can almost guarantee it would have been dealt with swiftly and harshly.

Anonymous JI November 11, 2012 1:08 PM  

"What is the theory behind Asian Americans going so large for Obama? Have they too become dependents or is it just that their cultural background better relates with that of the Democratic Party?"

I've been asking myself the same question. Two things come to mind:

1. One is that Asian history has no example of limited government, at least as far as I know, so they naturally gravitate toward a massive centralized government and civil service.

2. The other is that Asians, and other cultures around the world, find voting so alien to their culture (see 1.), that they actually think it's like a sports competition in which one wants to support the winning team, whoever it may be.

Blogger El Borak November 11, 2012 1:16 PM  

So basically, I'm considering becoming active in politics.

While plenty of people try to talk you out of this, or say how worthless it is, or otherwise try to show that you're wrong, my immediate reaction was to compare your position to someone on the Titanic. Once the iceberg is struck, is it better to help load the boats and then get in yourself? Or is it better to fight to save the ship, even when the situation is objectively hopeless? The answer depends on your job.

For some, it is their job and responsibility to go down with the ship, to do everything one can to delay the final and inevitable, if only to allow the maximum number of others to escape. It's the captain's job to go down with the ship, not only because honor demands it, but because honor in this case protects him from the temptation of cutting and running, thereby endangering more than he already has. By counting himself dead already, he can redeem the few moments he has left.

Others have a different job: helping as many as possible separate from the ship, as quickly and orderly as possible. Still others have nothing to do but get on the boats as quickly and orderly as possible. It's the job of some to die that others may live; it's the job of some to live that others will not have died in vain.

While if the fatalistic libertarians were to actually do nothing, then I would agree with you, for surely it's better to die like a man than like a dog. However, the end of the US or even the end of Western civilization does not mean universal death, nor does a refusal to seek a political solution mean doing nothing, any more than declining to pull the torn steel of the Titanic's hull back together means doing nothing.

It means that politics is bound to fail since there can be no democratic solution until the people can no longer deny that such a solution is necessary. There are in the meantime plenty of other things that can be done to ensure that the necessarily painful transition which brings that transformation does not get worse than necessary. Someone has to save so that capital is available on the other side. Someone has to plant so that food is available during the transition. Someone has to raise kids so there there will be those on the other side to pass off what has been salvaged from the wreck.

Just as your answer is not right for everyone, not is it wrong for everyone, including you. Someone, perhaps you, has to be on hand to guide the politics on the other side of the chasm - for there will be politics in some form or other. But we needn't all do that, just like we can't all be captain. We don't all have to go down with the ship. And if we all insist on it, then the work of the captain and crew to salvage as much as possible will have been truly in vain.

Blogger Bob Wallace November 11, 2012 1:27 PM  

The people I talked to said they did not like Obama but liked Romney even because they were of the opinion Romney would fire Americans, replace them with Third Worlders at home and export their jobs to hell-holes abroad.

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Anonymous Tom O. November 11, 2012 1:49 PM  

``That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered." (Ecclesiastes 1:15)

Anonymous Tom O. November 11, 2012 1:52 PM  

By the way, it's funny to see the Ilk criticize the violence the Left has caused in their quest for utopia... and then go on that very same quest.

Anonymous Shild November 11, 2012 2:02 PM  

While plenty of people try to talk you out of this, or say how worthless it is, or otherwise try to show that you're wrong, my immediate reaction was to compare your position to someone on the Titanic. Once the iceberg is struck, is it better to help load the boats and then get in yourself? Or is it better to fight to save the ship, even when the situation is objectively hopeless?

I would answer that the analogy is imperfect. The sinking of the Titanic really was inevitable; it was a matter of physics. A country is a collection of people with minds, which they can change at will. And what exactly does "sinking" mean, in this case? Hyperinflation or deflation? Tyrrany? War? The first may be unavoidable, but the latter are not. It is not certain death in freezing water.

I am also skeptical of the proposition that there are any "lifeboats"; where can you seek refuge when all the governments of the world are antithetical to your values?

There are in the meantime plenty of other things that can be done to ensure that the necessarily painful transition which brings that transformation does not get worse than necessary. Someone has to save so that capital is available on the other side. Someone has to plant so that food is available during the transition. Someone has to raise kids so there there will be those on the other side to pass off what has been salvaged from the wreck.

How can you do this if you're not free to do this? How will your freedom be insured if not through politics? Do you expect to just shoot anyone with a badge who approaches you?

We're not in a ship or a car speeding towards a cliff, we're in a country. I don't think the answer is as simple as getting out, or as impossible as rebuilding a vehicle in motion.

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 11, 2012 2:14 PM  

Shild:
Stilicho, you're making my point for me. Is it moral to lie down and allow evil to take the world without a fight, just because you think its victory is inevitable? What chance do you think your children will have, if they grow up in a world that is antagonistic to the values you teach them?

That's not really what Stilicho and others are saying. What they're trying to remind us of is the very ugly truth that all avenues of peaceful opposition are being closed off one by one. The notion of working within such a completely rigged system is not only futile but insane. If you somehow think it is not rigged, please explain Boehner's call for total surrender in the face of the Republicans retaining control of the house, along with no calls for his immediate resignation for doing so from the rank and file house members, or from Conservatism, Inc. - this is the putative "opposition" party, mind you. Don't you find it even slightly odd that they never actually oppose any of the ongoing march towards the totalitarian utopia?

Remember Petraeus' self-destruct button? I am willing to bet there's not a single Republican of the HR without one. In fact, a person without one wouldn't even be allowed to run for the primaries. What is needed are non-violent methods to bring the system to total collapse faster. Assuming for a minute the ruling squids didn't have to resort to massive Venezuela-level vote fraud to ensure his victory in the 'greatest erection evah', the reason for the Magic Knee-Grow's win had little to do with either the hispanic or black vote. It was whites aged 18-40, especially the unmarried and the females, who ensured his win. There were also a fair number of Ron Paul voters, possibly as many as 4 million, who either stayed home, voted 3rd party, or even Mocha Messiah.

I question if the Repuke establishment was even serious about winning the beauty contest. It was a great way for folks like Karl Rove to funnel nearly a billion dollars to his friends in the media and in the political consultant racket though. Romney ran a typical milquetoast Repuke campaign in which he essentially refused to fight. There really was no substantive difference between the candidates, so many folks voted no change. Yes there was massive vote fraud in the usual places, just like every farcial election held in the banana republick, with the usual Repuke refusal to file lawsuits over it because it would be rayciss. It's a one-party regime, with the pretense slipping away more every time, but the number who still think it is "reformable" stands as testimony to the power of propaganda.

Anonymous Godfrey November 11, 2012 2:15 PM  

"This seems to be good advice, although I would not turn my back on our flag. The US government's errors and crimes do not discredit the values our flag represents,..." - Shild


The stars and bars wasn’t the flag of the anti-federalists. It was the flag of Alexander Hamilton, Henry Clay and Abraham Lincoln. It was from the beginning, and always has been, the flag of empire.

Anonymous Anonymous November 11, 2012 2:28 PM  

"By the way, it's funny to see the Ilk criticize the violence the Left has caused in their quest for utopia... and then go on that very same quest."

Good luck. You're going to need it, you retarded fuck.

Anonymous Shild November 11, 2012 2:31 PM  

Godfrey, Wikipedia says that the Stars and Stripes was adopted as our flag's design in 1777, during the Revolutionary War.

Anonymous The other skeptic November 11, 2012 2:37 PM  


What is needed are non-violent methods to bring the system to total collapse faster.


Sign up for welfare, food stamps, whatever. Stop working.

Blogger RobertT November 11, 2012 2:44 PM  

Brendan
" if you throw the social conservatives under the bus ... "

You don't have to throw the social conservatives under the bus in order to become an "economy only" party. Do you really think the Repubs give two whits about social conservatism? And do you really think the social conservative will abandon the Republican party? I don't unless the liberalism starts to stink.

Which party is acting more like a social conservative today? The Democrats, for firing Petraeus. T

Anonymous The other skeptic November 11, 2012 2:46 PM  


What is needed are non-violent methods to bring the system to total collapse faster.


Create a startup that promises/pretends to turn African Americans into rocket scientists over fifty years. You'd probably need a few token blacks, like Jesse Jackson Jr, but you could scam lots of money from the FedGov.

Blogger El Borak November 11, 2012 2:48 PM  

I would answer that the analogy is imperfect.

All analogies are imperfect. However, once one reaches the conclusion that the fiscal math cannot be overcome, it is no different than the conclusion that the hydraulic math cannot be overcome. The ship, as currently directed, is going down. If one believes that politics can avoid the fiscal self-immolation coming our way, then politics is the answer. If not, then other things must be the answer, if there is one.

However, the question is not "freedom versus not-freedom," as if the binary alternative to everyone getting into politics is an unlimited ability of government to do anything and everything it wishes. Our current fiscal crisis, if it proves anything, proves that there are real and actual limits on government power.

If the expected fiscal immolation occurs here and elsewhere together, the government will have a hard enough time keeping millions of starving Mexican refugees in pens to worry about El B and his chickens in BFE Kansas. The real concern is not, I suspect, that we will have too much power in government, but that it will no longer be able to meet the tasks a chaotic society demands. It is probable that we are going to find out what too little government feels like, and it shan't be fun.

How can you do this if you're not free to do this?

LOL, you do it anyway. How does one worship in a nation where worship is illegal? How does one keep a little gold when the government confiscates it? How does one raise religious kids in a secular society? You simply work within the system that exists so long as it exists. No one said it would be easy.

If one buys the theses of K-waves or the Fourth Turning or the Sovereign Individual, the system itself is what is going to change, is already changing. This system (welfare-state democracy, the nation-state, whatever) has fulfilled its potential and is in the painful process of transforming into something else. For some, their energy is best spent trying to direct the transformation, and I pray that those who do so are very farsighted indeed. But for millions and millions of others, the best choice with what to do with 4 hours tonight is reading to the kids, learning how to repair small engines, and hoeing carrots. There are real limits on government power, and we are finding out about them right now. But there are more important things in life than government, and we will find out about them soon enough.

Anonymous Anonymous November 11, 2012 2:48 PM  

--Which party is acting more like a social conservative today? The Democrats, for firing Petraeus. T--

He didn't get fired, you stupid fuck. He quit.

Blogger RobertT November 11, 2012 2:55 PM  

El Borak
"So basically, I'm considering becoming active in politics. While plenty of people try to talk you out of this, or say how worthless it is."

Consider this, Although all states are not the same they all have a begin to the process in which a very few people participate. In Colorado we have the caucus system. In this system meetings are held in each precinct where delegates are elected to represent them in the political process in the county. From that point on they vote to select candidates. In fact the number shrinks as you get further along in the election cycle. In other words, a very small number of people, a relative handful, are making all the big decisions in the country. And many, make that most, are in the process not with a goal to do right, but simply to rub shoulders with the rich and powerful.

If you want to get involved in politics, figure out how to make the decisions that other people vote on. You will find the problem is that the people in those decisions are often not the bright eyed, clear thinking people they should be. You can soon lose your taste for the effort. Besides it's hopeless. Tty it for a year and get back to me.

Blogger RobertT November 11, 2012 2:58 PM  

whoops, "decisions" in the last paragraph should read "positions"

Proof reading, though it is advisable, is the bane of my existence.

Anonymous The other skeptic November 11, 2012 2:59 PM  


What is needed are non-violent methods to bring the system to total collapse faster.


Find more dirt on those in power and spread it wide and far.

On the principle that those who go far in politics must have a self-destruct button, El Presidente must have one as well.

Blogger RobertT November 11, 2012 3:00 PM  

"He didn't get fired, you stupid fuck. He quit."

Nobody quits that job that quickly; he was fired. They just didn't tell you because it wouldn't look good with the Lybian hearing coming up. And take that tinfoil off your head, you are missing the boat.

Anonymous Anonymous November 11, 2012 3:03 PM  

Proof reading, though it is advisable, is the bane of my existence."

As are your shitty comments. He quit to CYA. The End.

Anonymous whatever November 11, 2012 3:09 PM  


Hmmm, let's see. Coding networking protocols, storage, kernel development, ..


That's all programming. Very specific programming at that. So by "depending on the field" you meant "my tiny little subsection of computer programming". Thanks for diagnosing the world from your tiny little section. PADDED section. Storage? I have no idea what is being developed SOFTWARE SIDE for storage. It seems you are rambling stupidly.

But let's discuss your tiny little section. That is kernel development and network protocols.

As for networking protocols, I know what you are talking about, and you are simply lying. Did you think big words would scare me? Everyone can look at CISCO and see how their stock prices is climbing to new highs. Oh sure it's possible a small group of people with specialized skills learned over years could be doing well for specific problems. All ten of them.

"Kernel development" That's good. What kernel are we talking about? Is that kernel needing up to 50 people or is it skyhigh at 100?

You've clearly chosen a "field".... by that I mean two very specific, VERY SMALL, subsections(and "kernel development" I'm sure is specific to the kernel you are specifically development") of a single field in which you claim things are okay. By which I take it you mean "okay for you".

Let me guess, animal, you are a project manager and you is upset that some pretty good offers are ignored? You needing people to work a "few more hours than normal" at "slightly more stress" to be paying your salary and you is not getting it?

So in typical animal fashion, you is lying wildly about how good things are in order to attract some suckers. Not enough suckers.

That's sad.

Blogger El Borak November 11, 2012 3:41 PM  

RobertT: In Colorado we have the caucus system....

Colorado is a great measurement of whether we have reached the limits of federal government power. You might remember Romer v. Evans, in which the Feds simply swept aside the will of the electorate regarding Amendment 2. Colorado has thrown another challenge in the form of the recent pot referendum. Now, there is no doubt that such a rule flies in the face of federal law. It is, in that sense, a nullification of federal desire.

The question is whether the feds still have the ability to sweep it aside. If they treat it like they treated the 1850s personal liberty laws which all but nullified the Fugitive Slave Act, then we are closer to devolution and eventual decentralization than most realize. I suspect that they will make a show of objecting and may even go so far as to throw out the law, though enforcement may be a dead letter going forward.

Either way, it's a wonderful lesson in the idea that it doesn't matter what the question is; the government will act in its own interest for its own reasons so long as it has the power to do so. And when it no longer has the power, all the votes in the world can't change that.

Anonymous The other skeptic November 11, 2012 3:45 PM  


Let me guess, animal, you are a project manager and you is upset that some pretty good offers are ignored? You needing people to work a "few more hours than normal" at "slightly more stress" to be paying your salary and you is not getting it?

So in typical animal fashion, you is lying wildly about how good things are in order to attract some suckers. Not enough suckers.


Project managers are useful when they understand that they don't know the technical stuff.

I am actually one of the workers who gets things done in a bunch of those areas, and, as someone on the ground, I know how much does not get done for the lack of enough skilled people.

Of course, it is also true that if my employers could pay me half of what they currently pay me to do what I do, they would. They would be suckers if they didn't, but they can't, and they can't find Chinese people or Indian people or fudge packers or women to do what I do.


By which I take it you mean "okay for you".


Well, of course. The importation of lots of brown people from Central and South America has little impact on my employment prospects because they cannot do what I can do. However, they increase the level of risk because they commit crimes and they are exploitable as voting donkeys and they cause my taxes to go up.

I doubt that you could say that Cisco's stock price is reaching new highs but perhaps you have a problem with keyboard and modern stuff and meant Apple's stock price.

Indeed, Cisco is in deep shit because of the whole Software Defined Networking area that VMware and others have started. However, I guess you know all about OpenFlow and Ternary Content Addressable Memories.


So in typical animal fashion, you is lying wildly about how good things are in order to attract some suckers. Not enough suckers.


Sh*t, you have discovered my evil plan!

In fact, the scarcity of people in high-tech fields gives those of us who have the skills the opportunity to contract on the side. If only we didn't have to sleep.

Now, I would prefer that citizens in the great country get first choice at the openings available (and African American rocket scientists are worth employing, if any exist), but there simply are not enough people to allow Apple, Google, etc, to develop the gegaws they sell to clueless DemocRATs and so forth.

Anonymous Shutterbug November 11, 2012 3:45 PM  

Some have suggested that the Republican party do a better job spreading the message of freedom. The problem with this is that the definition of freedom has changed. To the Ilk, freedom is a very limited government that gives people the room to live their lives as they see fit without state interference and to make a living keeping what they earn.

To the typical Obama-voting Ameritard, freedom means someone else pays for her existence from Head Start to Medicare and Social Security and all the birth control in between.

Anonymous Stilicho November 11, 2012 4:03 PM  

Stilicho, you're making my point for me. Is it moral to lie down and allow evil to take the world without a fight, just because you think its victory is inevitable? What chance do you think your children will have, if they grow up in a world that is antagonistic to the values you teach them?

No, you are simply not paying attention and you are letting your desire to fight back against the rising tide blind you to the fact that collapse is inevitable. Don't fight the collapse, instead fight to preserve what you can and rebuild afterwards. Fight? absolutely. Just don't waste your time on politics. It's a fools errand at this point.

Anonymous Rex Little November 11, 2012 4:08 PM  

I doubt if McCardle supports mass deportations and banning dual-citizenship, in which case she might as well embrace the parody.

I think she does support those, or at least thinks the Republican Party should. The parody is her way of saying so without getting Derbyshired.

Anonymous Yorzhik November 11, 2012 4:17 PM  

Immigration:It's only a big issue in counties that REALLY matter-like Israel.

http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=290501

http://www.africareview.com/News/Israel+erects+high+tech+barrier+to+fight+African+migrants/-/979180/1612006/-/2rorvb/-/index.html

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/netanyahu-israel-could-be-overrun-by-african-infiltrators-1.431589

http://jfjfp.com/?p=33778


Immigration doesn't matter nearly as much in the US as other problems we have.

BTW, immigrants getting welfare is not a problem of immigration, it's a problem of having welfare.

Anonymous whatever November 11, 2012 4:21 PM  


Now, I would prefer that citizens in the great country get first choice at the openings available (and African American rocket scientists are worth employing, if any exist), but there simply are not enough people to allow Apple, Google, etc, to develop the gegaws they sell to clueless DemocRATs and so forth.


You really should not mention specific things.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/02/google-receives-more-than-75000-job-applications-in-a-week.html

Seems Google can get up to 75,000 applicants PER WEEK and hires about 4,500 people PER YEAR. I'm not sure what their ratio of applicants to hires is, but I'm sure it's north of 200 applicants per hire. Of course, you can whittle that down by insisting that the person be absurdly specifically qualified and yet still be willing to work for nothing.

Many interesting things were said by zippy, but below is specifically interesting because it shows how specific his "field" or "job" is:


Indeed, Cisco is in deep shit because of the whole Software Defined Networking area that VMware and others have started. However, I guess you know all about OpenFlow and Ternary Content Addressable Memories.


Ternary Content Addressable Memories is very specific use. Switches and a few other very specific applications. And it is HARDWARE. So you are involved in hardware storage technologies. And software programming. Yet claim to not be management. Maybe.

It's possible if you are specifically coding "kernels"(And I use that very tongue in cheek) for switches using Ternary Content Addressable Memory hardware. Wow. Does it get anymore narrow than that? A "kernel" meant to run only on switches. But only switches with a specific type of hardware memory. Wow.

Wonder what's going to happen to your employability when your very specific skill set is no longer needed.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box November 11, 2012 4:36 PM  

COMMney wasn't meant to win.
Todd Akin & Richard Mourdock sealed that fate.
Now the Khazakhs are angling to grab our guns, especially the Khazakh bitches like HITLERy; it's the last thing standing between the Rothschild banKhazars & absolute power.

Anonymous Anonymous November 11, 2012 5:03 PM  

It's possible if you are specifically coding "kernels"(And I use that very tongue in cheek) for switches using Ternary Content Addressable Memory hardware. Wow. Does it get anymore narrow than that? A "kernel" meant to run only on switches. But only switches with a specific type of hardware memory. Wow.


There are US citizens I know of with advanced degrees in computer engineering and computer science who are very much underemployed. They seem to experience quite a lot of trouble getting anything beyond a standard brushoff form letter. I know one such who has wondered if he were to give up US citizenship, and become a citizen of India, if he would then be worthy of consideration for hire, via H1-B. He's willing to work for less, mind you. He just can't seem to get past the first tier of the hiring hierarchy, for whatever reason.


Wonder what's going to happen to your employability when your very specific skill set is no longer needed.

Depends on a lot of variables. Some people keep their skillset as broad as they can, and move on from one niche to another. On the other hand, I knew a man some 14 years ago who was a whiz on mainframe programming (COBOL and FORTRAN). He made a pile and a half in the runup to Y2K, working long hours for big bucks. Nowadays he works in a rather boring government job, because he was so wrapped up in the narrowing niche of mainframe programming for insurance companies, utilities, etc. he never learned newer tools and methods.

Another friend of mine works for a fair sized university in recruitment. He has a problem. A lot of brighter than average students with pretty good grades in math have become convinced that only East Asians can compete in programming jobs now. Everyone else is just doomed to non-competitive status.

Gosh, where would young people get that idea?


Borderine Anonymous

Anonymous The other skeptic November 11, 2012 6:05 PM  

Some German academic thinks that a youth bulge was the cause of the war of Northern Aggression.

Uh oh, we seem to have more young males than young females now as well.

Anonymous The other skeptic November 11, 2012 6:09 PM  


Wonder what's going to happen to your employability when your very specific skill set is no longer needed.


That's for me to worry about. However, you can bet that those Chinese and Indian tech workers you worry about will have the same problems.

Anonymous Roundtine November 11, 2012 6:40 PM  

There won't be a lot of fighting because few want to fight. I don't deny the black/Hispanic disagreements, but most of the people in the cities believe in multicult. It's really a question of whether the non-urban parts of the U.S. want to be ruled by the cities. And if they do not, one side is willing to fight, the other wants to be left alone. I know people here think the military is rotten, but my contact with it suggests that much of the military will defect along with secessionists. Just think about it from a mercenary standpoint, do you want to be paid/respected by the people who want strong national defense or by those who want to send you to Sudan to save kittens? Much of the defense establishment is in DC, but they are bureaucrats, not warriors.

Imagine if a state voted to peacefully secede. What happens next? I think civil disobedience wins. America is a paper tiger.

Anonymous DonReynolds November 11, 2012 6:55 PM  

Galt-in-Da-Box..."Now the Khazakhs are angling to grab our guns, especially the Khazakh bitches like HITLERy; it's the last thing standing between the Rothschild banKhazars & absolute power."

Fear not, sonny. There is no way on God's Green Earth that the guns held by citizens will ever be confiscated in this country. This is not Australia.

If you will read a bit of your country's history, you will know that the American Revolution became a shooting war over GUN CONTROL. Those battles at Concord and Lexington in 1775 were fought against British troops sent to seize arms and powder stored up by the Colonials. The shooting intensified and went on for over a year BEFORE independence became the goal. Imagine, the battle of Bunker Hill was fought by men who were NOT fighting for independence from Great Britain. They were helping fellow countrymen resist tyranny, all the while petitioning the King to intervene and put an end to the tyranny.

Anonymous DonReynolds November 11, 2012 7:02 PM  

Yorzhik...."Immigration doesn't matter nearly as much in the US as other problems we have.

"BTW, immigrants getting welfare is not a problem of immigration, it's a problem of having welfare."

No sir, you got it backwards. Illegal immigration is the biggest problem, by far in this country. It is bigger than everything else combined. If we lose this country to the invaders and we cannot stop others from coming, what damn difference does it make about ANYTHING ELSE? If you do not have a country, why would you give a gnat's ass about the Federal debt, or tax rates, or the environment, or abortion, or whether there is gay marriage? We are talking about the survival of this once-great country. If we lose the war and cannot stop the invasion, I really do not give a fig what happens to everything else. It is that simple.


Anonymous whatever November 11, 2012 7:12 PM  

Me:

Wonder what's going to happen to your employability when your very specific skill set is no longer needed.


"High Skill Jobs are Fine" guy:

That's for me to worry about. However, you can bet that those Chinese and Indian tech workers you worry about will have the same problems.


So I'm glad we both agree that your position is tenuous and things could go bad for your "great tiny nitch" in a few years.

Yet slackers are unwilling to dedicate the years of work to learn a tiny nitch from which they could be laid off without notice at any time.

Lack of "high skilled workers"? More like lack of suckers.

Anonymous Idle Spectator November 11, 2012 7:22 PM  

I don't deny the black/Hispanic disagreements, but most of the people in the cities believe in multicult.

For now. I'm even surprised myself with how quickly things have changed just in the last four years. People opening saying things that were just whispered. People articulating and establishing positions where people then only suspected something was off and askew. This blog was just created in 2003. Things are changing, rapidly.

The election just let it all out of the bag perception wise.

Anonymous Idle Spectator November 11, 2012 7:43 PM  

Examples:

Obamacare actually passes.

Marijuana was legalized in Colorado and Washington. I NEVER thought I would see that.

The mainstream media and newspapers are dying. It used to look like they were invincible. They are not dead yet, and they are not going to go quietly into the dying of the light, but almost.

People saying that black people voted for Obama because he is black. People saying this, openly. Because they know it is true.

People waking up to black-on-white crime and the fate of Detroit.

The Republican party is imploding over immigration. Good riddance to the Stupid Party.


They're waking up. Don't stop now.

Anonymous DonReynolds November 11, 2012 8:08 PM  

There really are two kinds of people in the USA (and quite possibly the world)....

1. One kind of people want to do the thinking for everyone else. They believe they know better what the rest of us need to do or should do. And they want the law and regulations to reflect what they personally have figured out. Those who oppose them are "on the wrong side of history", knuckle-dragging neanderthals, religious fanatics, bigots, sexists and racists.

2. The other kind of people want to be left alone. They want the law to protect their freedom, their property, and their person. They expect privacy and their private acts to be beyond the jurisdiction of the government. They want to think, believe, and speak as they please. Those who oppose them are fascists, communists, globalists, and diversity consultants with chains and jails for non-conformists.

Please note that both the Republican and Democratic voters include plenty of each type of person. The issues may differ, but the mentality is the same.

Anonymous 11B November 11, 2012 9:48 PM  

No sir, you got it backwards. Illegal immigration is the biggest problem, by far in this country. It is bigger than everything else combined.

I like the sentiment, but you have to stop putting the modifier 'illegal' in front of immigration. Legal immigration is killing us. Legal immigration is bringing in over a million a year, sometimes close to 2 million, each and every year mainly due to family reunification, diversity lotto and refugee resettlement.

Keep in mind if you complain about illegal immigration, the democrats could just say fine and increase the slots available for legal immigrants. Would that solve our problem? It would make it worse.

So it's IMMIGRATION that is the problem. Legal or illegal is immaterial. The bottom line is the steady stream of third worlders proceeds.

Blogger Robert S. Oculus III November 11, 2012 10:02 PM  

@Idle Spectator November 11, 2012 7:22 PM: I'm even surprised myself with how quickly things have changed just in the last four years. People opening saying things that were just whispered.

You have that right. Traffic on my blog has exploded since election day. I'm outpacing myself on daily hits by a factor of ten to one over the prior period, and my mailbox is blowing up daily as well. As the kids say: WTF?

But it's easy to be an Internet White Warrior. I wonder how many of the angry new race realists who are logging on at my site will be able to hold up when the Consequences come due. BRA is a jealous god, and those who blaspheme often end up wishing they hadn't. It is no easy thing to be one of us these days. Being a white traditionalist in America in 2012 is like being a homosexual communist in America circa 1952: uncomfortable at best, deadly at worst.

Still, I can't help but be encouraged by the recent signs of white racial consciousness in America. If the white people of this country were ever to wake up in any serious way, they would sweep the battlefield. Nothing would be impossible. BRA would flash to steam like an ice cube caught in a laser beam. Nothing could stand against us.

Can it happen? And where in the Leader we'll need? None is in sight at present. Only a man who combines the folksy appeal of Jimmy Stewart with the steel edge of Francisco Franco will do. And I know of no such person at present.

But tomorrow? Who can say? I predict the ride is about to get a lot wilder. I intend to stay alive and see what happens next.

Anonymous Anonymous November 11, 2012 10:15 PM  

You mean Jews and non-Jews

Anonymous Anonymous November 11, 2012 10:16 PM  

That was to DonReynolds

Anonymous patrick kelly November 11, 2012 10:25 PM  

"-I really don't see a biblical justification for taking up arms against whoever the current regime is. If the country broke up into sections, I would consider relocating to an area that was mostly white."

"God(s) help those who help themselves."

Can't seem to find that verse in my Bible, are you paraphrasing one, or is this your personal, private interpretation of some particular scripture?


Blogger Jamie-R November 12, 2012 12:25 AM  

If you listen to Democrats on actions to take with immigrants, you will keep giving them the election in the future.

First off, what was it, 72% white, 10% Latino, 13% Black, 5% Other?

How the eff can Republicans see those numbers and think, well! I got to pander to the 28%! 72% is a freaking majority and a dominant one. Strike a chord with them and it's 80s Reaganism all over again. The Demographics aren't that far gone. You just never field a decent candidate! Romney was better than Bush. He would have done some good things in general. But you need a game-changer with charisma like Reagan. Obama is a pimp, he has pimp game, that's all he has. Conservatives need a charmer in touch with the old and new generation that understands what America's about.

I don't expect Rand Paul to be charismatic, but by 2016 he has to be the candidate. Chris Christie is a fat turd who helped Obama win it. He knows what politics is about he's not stupid, and he put his lot in with Obama at a crucial time. Fuck him. Rand Paul is the only credible choice. Kentucky is possibly the best state in the Union anyhow for good Conservatives.

Anonymous Ulmer Miller November 12, 2012 12:26 AM  

I was thinking that if several states seceded at once it would likely cause a stock market crash so then I thought that the only good time to secede would be after such an event. You don't want to be seen as the folks that caused the economic meltdown. (This is all assuming the only viable means of secession would be as a group of states, not solo.)

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis November 12, 2012 12:52 AM  

Secession or partition may be an inevitable result of the path America is going down. But let us not pretend something better will result. Much like the partitioning of western Europe after the final demise of ancient Rome the American continent will be plagued by violence. Millions will be displaced and millions will probably be killed, moreover the likelihood of whatever government(s) being better than the one replaced is next to nothing.

Anonymous Anonymous November 12, 2012 3:20 AM  

Here's one 28 year old who signed 15 petitions to allow secession. Ominous as it was to create a whitehouse.gov account to do so, it's me or my children. There's rarely a good time to resist a ravenous beast. But it ain't getting smaller or kinder.

Seth
Oregon

Blogger LP 999/Eliza November 12, 2012 3:26 AM  

Aww, how cute! McCardle writes puff pieces too!! Let us congratulate her complete lack of integrity and the show of incoherence. She might as well be a tea partier. (No offense tea partiers.)

In Post America, politics are meaningless. Just another banker diversion.

The economic devastation will only worsen, economic terrorism will reign.

Over the weekend I heard a rebroadcast of Rush. Rush was playing dumb and asked why didn't Rom/Ryan's ideas win?

The societal decline, voter fraud and people like me who didn't even try to vote when we were turned away, simply went home to our faith, families and hobbies, completely disinterested in the process of constant lies presented to us as if we are stupid.

(MPAI is fully acknowledged here but when Petreus steps down over some nonsensical affair, Americans could care less and are war fatigued. It was not a resignation due to an affair it was b/c the rats are leaving a sinking country.)

Rush failed to understand that when Rom/Ryan didn't go after the current administration for fast furious, NDAA, patriot act, drones, health care and a host of other things, people simply checked out.

The left opposite to Rush has failed to understand many things...most of talk radio post election was a disaster and a half.

It was the worst radio I've heard in over 15 years. When the right was silenced over the birth cert issue and the left was mocked for anti war/anti bank stance and OWS, Americans re-thought this voting process. When regular people of any political stripe were demanding to call the law on horror shows like MF Global and GS, the right ignored them.

My circle of friends have been checked out since before 2008. (I see no reason to vote and I partially blame the horrors of feminism and women's suffrage for our present day. I stand by my disinterest in voting since my vote was barred due to red tape, residency, I don't know, don't care, not voting. Let the tax levies pass, I don't care about local issues either. Schoolz cannot be built for millions of dollars to produce uneducated children to compete globally when the kidz, (entire generations aborted) are drugged/maleducated into submission.

Anyways, per radio and cspan's Washingtons journal, callers are all about their entitlements, goodies and freebies. White, black, whatever, they want goodies.

No longer do they value freedom, liberty, paying your own way or even going to work. Speaking of employment, there are no jobs.

Anonymous Idle Spectator November 12, 2012 4:52 AM  

Still, I can't help but be encouraged by the recent signs of white racial consciousness in America. If the white people of this country were ever to wake up in any serious way, they would sweep the battlefield. Nothing would be impossible. BRA would flash to steam like an ice cube caught in a laser beam. Nothing could stand against us.

The thing I am worried about is when the pendulum swings back, and rest assured it will, there is too much overreaction with scapegoats. Something like Nazi Germany blaming everything on the Jews or the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia blaming everything on the intellectuals and evacuating the capital Phnom Penn. People are going to get extremely angry when they realize they have been lied to for decades coupled with the economic situation deteriorating. Angry people do not think rationally.

I do NOT want to see something like that.

Or live through it.

Or have to smuggle Jews out like Oskar Schindler did. Which if it comes to that, I will.

Blogger Fred November 12, 2012 6:06 AM  

I think Rinos should agree to raise taxes on the rich, IN EXCHANGE FOR a guaranteed no repeal permanent voter-id registration, and voting system that validates that votes cast are equal registered voters. This horror would not have occurred:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/11/333-000-Votes-in-4-Swing-States-Would-Have-Given-Romney-the-Presidency

If Repos can stop the illegals and dead from voting, at the margin, there would be a sustainable chance of fair elections with a likely different outcome.

Once Repos are in they could repeal tax increases.

Anonymous Stilicho November 12, 2012 8:22 AM  

I do NOT want to see something like that.

Or live through it.

Or have to smuggle Jews out like Oskar Schindler did. Which if it comes to that, I will.


No one with half a brain wants that. Problem is: sow the wind, reap the whirlwind... It will get ugly at some point. How ugly remains to be seen.

Anonymous Viking November 12, 2012 10:06 AM  

Mandatory marriage, I knew the subject would appear sooner or later. They can kiss my ass. The only women I even care to talk to any more are my daughters and granddaughters.

Anonymous Viking November 12, 2012 10:13 AM  

By the way, you all are invited to come to Texas and join the secession.
texasnationalist com

Anonymous Idle Spectator November 12, 2012 4:02 PM  

No one with half a brain wants that. Problem is: sow the wind, reap the whirlwind... It will get ugly at some point. How ugly remains to be seen.

I'd say the average person has about 2/5 of a brain left due to our Prussian school system, matriarchy welfare state, and collapse of the nuclear family at the lower ends. Each chipped off 1/5 from the total.

Anonymous Yorzhik November 13, 2012 9:19 PM  

DonReynolds wrote: No sir, you got it backwards. Illegal immigration is the biggest problem, by far in this country. It is bigger than everything else combined.

It isn't as big a problem as giving the invaders free reign to ruin the country. The invaders can't come into the country without our blessing in the first place, and they can't destroy us from within unless we let them. It's the people that are empowering them that are the problem. But they are not only a problem in that they empower invaders to destroy the country, but they actively help them with the same tools to destroy the country along side them. The invaders are the pawns while the enablers are the real power.

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