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Friday, December 14, 2012

Homeschool or die, part 562

I imagine the latest school shooting will launch the Obama administration's push for more useless gun control.  And yet, if they genuinely wanted to reduce the likelihood of the mass murder of schoolchildren, they would ban mass schooling.
CBS News is reporting that 27 people are dead, including 1420 students, after a shooting at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. The gunman is among the dead.
Say what you will about homeschooling, but if your child is taught at home, he's not going to be shot there by some disgruntled school employee, student, or parent.  And the idea that gun control laws will make any difference whatsoever with regards to this sort of thing is risible, given that it is already illegal to carry guns onto school property, to say nothing of shooting people there.

And this may be worth keeping in mind when the inevitable push for gun control begins: "The worst mass school murder in American history took place on May 18,1927 in Bath Township, Mich., when a former school board member set off three bombs that killed 45 people."

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Anonymous stg58 December 14, 2012 1:03 PM  

Vox hates the childrenszzzz!

Blogger JartStar December 14, 2012 1:05 PM  

Schools, malls, and movies. The list just keeps getting longer.

Anonymous Anonymous December 14, 2012 1:12 PM  

But but....
It was a 'gun free' zone....

There are rulezz in place.....

It just can't happen!!!

Anonymous Wendy December 14, 2012 1:12 PM  

Schools, malls, and movies. The list just keeps getting longer.

And the frequency between incidents shorter (or so it seems).

Anonymous DT December 14, 2012 1:13 PM  

Wait...I don't understand...if there's already a law against carrying a gun onto school property...then how did this happen?

Hmmm...gee...is it possible that people who are criminally insane just don't care about gun laws?

Nah...that can't be it. It's the NRA's fault.

Blogger SarahsDaughter December 14, 2012 1:14 PM  

I'm seeing several FB comments of mothers going to pick up their young children early from school so they can hold them and know they're safe.

Monday they'll be sure to have better odds of being safe at school.

Anonymous Comrade December 14, 2012 1:18 PM  

Gun control: http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html

Anonymous patrick kelly December 14, 2012 1:19 PM  

Wanna bet this detail gets buried, or briefly covered as "it was determined the person of interest had no connection with the shooting and was released". Same as it ever was....sigh.....

"Earlier reports of a second gunman are unconfirmed. The Connecticut Post reports that police are also questioning a handcuffed man in connection with the shooting. Witnesses told the newspaper he was led out of the woods by officers.

Read more: FoxAccount "

Anonymous mjb December 14, 2012 1:20 PM  

Unfortunately, most of them are under the impression that it is a safe environment. We homeschool, and this is one of many reasons why.

Man, I feel for these parents. The father in me rages at this evil guy.

Anonymous Josh December 14, 2012 1:24 PM  

I'm betting that the shooter was in the middle of a custody battle with either an ex wife or soon to be ex

Anonymous The One December 14, 2012 1:25 PM  

Let's see if he is former military. Another possible government experiment gone wrong

Anonymous George of the Hole December 14, 2012 1:27 PM  

Advocating gun control in reaction to a school shooting - stupid.

Advocating home schooling in reaction to a school shooting - stupid.

Anonymous Toddy Cat December 14, 2012 1:29 PM  

"I'm betting that the shooter was in the middle of a custody battle with either an ex wife or soon to be ex"

I certainly wouldn't be surprised...

Anonymous The One December 14, 2012 1:30 PM  

George do you believe the chance of getting killing by a gunman are as equally high in your home as in a school? If not, why is homeschooling stupid?

Anonymous The One December 14, 2012 1:30 PM  

Guns don't kill people, schools kill people

Anonymous Roundtine December 14, 2012 1:31 PM  

I'm betting that the shooter was in the middle of a custody battle with either an ex wife or soon to be ex

You mean like Jevon Belcher?

Anonymous The One December 14, 2012 1:32 PM  

Look at China...

Anonymous Josh December 14, 2012 1:37 PM  

George, there is never a stupid reason to argue for homeschooling.

Anonymous mjb December 14, 2012 1:37 PM  

George,

Please tell me of all the home school mass murderers that occur?

You are a troll with no talent at trolldom.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation (Ben) December 14, 2012 1:41 PM  

If we're going to have gun control, we should start with Barack Obama and his secret kill list, then the military which kills vastly more civilians, in collateral damage or not, than any private citizen. The politicians should be stripped of their secret service, including the tyrant Bloomberg.

Anonymous Grumpy December 14, 2012 1:46 PM  

DT: "Hmmm...gee...is it possible that people who are criminally insane just don't care about gun laws?"

I agree. But playing Devil's Advocate, wouldn't tight gun control reduce availability of firearms? Fewer would be produced and available. That could be tied into the legislation or perhaps it would just not be so profitable to manufacture so many guns very few would have the option of buying.

Anonymous RedJack December 14, 2012 1:49 PM  

Grump.

With the 3d printers out there, regulating guns will get harder. The easiest thing remaing is regulating ammo, since making smokeless powder and primers isn't something you should do in the bath tub.

Anonymous VD December 14, 2012 1:50 PM  

But playing Devil's Advocate, wouldn't tight gun control reduce availability of firearms? Fewer would be produced and available. That could be tied into the legislation or perhaps it would just not be so profitable to manufacture so many guns very few would have the option of buying.

That's not playing Devil's Advocate, that is playing retarded and historically ignorant. You know that cocaine is illegal, right? You know that alcohol was illegal during Prohibition, right? Now, let's determine if you have an IQ over 85 or not: do illegal objects generate more or less profit than legal ones?

Anonymous Nicodemeus December 14, 2012 1:55 PM  

But playing Devil's Advocate, wouldn't tight gun control reduce availability of firearms?

Didn't stop Brevik Anders, did it?

Anonymous Josh December 14, 2012 1:55 PM  

since making smokeless powder and primers isn't something you should do in the bath tub.

Hey, if it works for meth...

Anonymous stg58/Animal Mother December 14, 2012 1:57 PM  

We need some real trolls! I summon Fredbacker and Ta(r)d*!

*The r is silent.

Anonymous Yug December 14, 2012 1:58 PM  

Gun free zone?

How about Bible / prayer free zones ...yeah, that's the ticket to a New Soviet Man.

Anonymous Grumpy December 14, 2012 1:58 PM  

Sure they generate more profit. But the gun still needs to be manufactured somehow. Booze is easy to produce. Guns, I would expect, would be harder?

Also with illegal guns wouldn't prices go up? So not every school shooter would be able to get his hands on one.

I guess you're saying guns would be made illegally or imported illegally and net availability would be the same?

Anonymous Anonymous December 14, 2012 1:59 PM  

Grumpy, it's not just that making it illegal would solve nothing, it's the fact that there are multiple more guns which already exist then you comprehend.

First stat I saw is 270,000,000. That means something like 88.8 out of a hundred have at least one.

Most of the commenter's here probably have more than 5, closer to 10.

Ban them today and their are still 270 million for you to deal with. What you gonna do, send out out the "blue bellies" to round them all up?

farmer Tom

Anonymous George of the Hole December 14, 2012 2:07 PM  


Vox's argument is just as knee-jerk reactionary as the knee-jerk reactionary gun control argument.

Home schooling can be defended on it's merits without resorting to knee-jerk politicization.

The obvious rebuttal is that accidental shootings far outpace school shootings. For instance, there were 5 school shootings in 2009-10 while there were about 1 accidental shooting every 7 days among kids under 16. Kids are not safer from guns in their own homes. This has nothing to do with the merits of home schooling or gun control, and everything to do with plain old carelessness.

It's just a stupid argument in every way. Don't use it.

Anonymous patrick kelly December 14, 2012 2:09 PM  

"Ban them today and their are still 270 million for you to deal with. What you gonna do, send out out the "blue bellies" to round them all up? "

The shrill voices who will call for more gun control will support this and much more. They have no problem ordering those they trust with guns to confiscate from those they do not wish to have guns. And they will gladly order the bbs to kill anyone who resists in the name of the "greater good" and moving "forward".

Remember this when the anti-self-defense weenies preen on the moral high ground. They want some people to have guns, and they want other people to be shot by them. They are merely arguing over who gets the guns and who gets shot.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 14, 2012 2:10 PM  

Apparently, the school had just instituted new safety protocols. Of course, those only work when you have armed security at the entrance, not some overpaid obese woman with a walkie-talkie.

Anonymous VD December 14, 2012 2:14 PM  

Sure they generate more profit. But the gun still needs to be manufactured somehow. Booze is easy to produce. Guns, I would expect, would be harder?

Not much. The basic technology hasn't changed much in more than 100 years. The Chinese haven't been able to successfully enact gun control in more than 60 years of murderous totalitarian rule. It's not possible.

It's just a stupid argument in every way. Don't use it.

That's ridiculous, George. It is a fact that you cannot be shot dead at a public school you never enter. If all children are home-schooled, the number of public school shootings will be zero. Do you not follow that logic?

Sure, there are accidental shootings. That's not irrelevant if we're looking at the larger picture, not just murder. But if we're going to bring accidents into the equation, then you need to include the number of children killed in transportation accidents, which is around 13 per day, many of which would be avoided if children were not being transported to school or to school-related activities.

Anonymous VD December 14, 2012 2:15 PM  

I guess you're saying guns would be made illegally or imported illegally and net availability would be the same?

Net availability to those who are willing to break the law. Which, I presume, is the group whose firearms access concerns you.

Anonymous alexamenos December 14, 2012 2:16 PM  

Story says the shooter is father of a kid in the school and 20 years old. 20....awfully young to have a kid already in elementary school.

Anonymous Grumpy December 14, 2012 2:21 PM  

VD: "Net availability to those who are willing to break the law. Which, I presume, is the group whose firearms access concerns you."

Exactly, thanks, I hadn't thought it through well. :)

Anonymous S&W December 14, 2012 2:24 PM  

Uh...George -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-154307/Gun-crime-soars-35.html

And they're on freakin' islands.

Try again.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 14, 2012 2:25 PM  

Story says the shooter is father of a kid in the school and 20 years old. 20....awfully young to have a kid already in elementary school.

That's the problem with the initial reports: they're full of misinformation and uninformed opinion. Remember the whole bath salts face eating incident earlier this year? Turns out the only drug the crazy, deranged killer had in his system was marijuana. But nobody knows this and just assumes that bath salts cause cannibalism.

Anonymous J. Doe December 14, 2012 2:26 PM  

More innocent people's lives and property would be threatened without access to guns to protect themselves than would die in these mass shootings by homicidal maniacs. IOW, the odds of being victimized in one's own home are far greater than being killed in a mass shooting. This is not rocket science if one uses logic instead of going into hysterical convulsions about it.

Guns are the only means of reliable and immediately available self-defense. There is no substitute for them. Take guns away from the lawful and peaceful and they become sitting ducks for those who aren't.

Anonymous mjb December 14, 2012 2:26 PM  

He's from NJ, and they found a body in his home.

Anonymous George of the Hole December 14, 2012 2:27 PM  

VD: "That's ridiculous, George. It is a fact that you cannot be shot dead at a public school you never enter. If all children are home-schooled, the number of public school shootings will be zero. Do you not follow that logic?"

Sure. And by the same knee-jerk logic if all guns were confiscated the number of shooting deaths would be zero.

Brilliant.

Here's a better argument. A crazed shooter at a public school is an extremely rare event and has little to do with home schooling or gun control. Let's resist the urge to politicize the rare event and argue home schooling on it's merits alone.

Anonymous Anonymous December 14, 2012 2:28 PM  

Racist has racist speculation. And the cycle repeats.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 14, 2012 2:32 PM  

He's from NJ, and they found a body in his home.

On top of that, it's looking like he wasn't the father of a kid, but the son of a teacher at that school.

Blogger ajw308 December 14, 2012 2:33 PM  

George, there's a hole in your logic. Home schooling your children is possible. Confiscating all guns is not.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 14, 2012 2:34 PM  

At the bottom of this article:

The worst mass school murder in American history took place on May 18,1927 in Bath Township, Mich., when a former school board member set off three bombs that killed 45 people.

I'd say VD's advice to homeschool or die is spot on. If it's not a deranged madmen, it's a disgruntled former school worker.

Anonymous Soga December 14, 2012 2:34 PM  

George of the BungHole wrote:
"Sure. And by the same knee-jerk logic if all guns were confiscated the number of shooting deaths would be zero."

It's not that difficult to build personal firearms. Barring that, explosives. A person who really wants to kill others will find a way. If all guns were confiscated, you'd actually have a lot more shooting deaths from government officials breaking and entering into homes where guns are held. And on top of that, a very vigorous black market would emerge in which firearms were illegally manufactured and sold.

"Here's a better argument. A crazed shooter at a public school is an extremely rare event and has little to do with home schooling or gun control. Let's resist the urge to politicize the rare event and argue home schooling on it's merits alone."

No. It's simple. Home-schooling means you keep your kid with you in your own castle. This is much safer than having your kid go to a public school where for all you know, he could be molested, raped, shot, harassed and/or bullied, or enticed into doing things with other kids that kids shouldn't be doing.

Speaking as a survivor of public school, it is hell there. And it gets worse every day. I tell my friends to home-school their kids to maximize their education and safety.

Anonymous George of the Hole December 14, 2012 2:35 PM  

George, there's a hole in your logic. Home schooling your children is possible. Confiscating all guns is not.

I believe the assertion Vox made was "If all children are home-schooled". Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Blogger ajw308 December 14, 2012 2:36 PM  

I saw an internet statistic the other day. It was on the internet so I don't know how factual it was, though it jives with my observations. The statistic was that, on an average, over 18 people die in a public shooting where the police stop the shooter and 2.2 die when an armed citizen on the scene stops it.

Israel stopped gun violence at their schools by arming the teachers.

Anonymous Anonymous December 14, 2012 2:41 PM  

George,
With a 3D printer you can make much of the body of a handgun. WIth a CNC machine, like what can be purchased from the back of Popular Science, you can much just about all of it.

Anonymous George of the Hole December 14, 2012 2:41 PM  

Soga: It's not that difficult to build personal firearms.

It's not difficult for a child to shoot himself with one either. What's your point?

No. It's simple. Home-schooling means you keep your kid with you in your own castle. This is much safer than having your kid go to a public school where for all you know.

Wanna compare school deaths to in-home deaths? Go for it and get back to me.

he could be molested, raped, shot, harassed and/or bullied, or enticed into doing things with other kids that kids shouldn't be doing.

"The sluggard says, "There is a lion in the road! A lion is in the open square!"" Prov 26:13

Anonymous Lysander Spooner December 14, 2012 2:43 PM  

2:28 p.m. The gunman in the Newtown, Conn., school shooting has been identified as Ryan Lanza, 24, of New Jersey. A dead body has also been found in his parents’ home, officials said. Lanza’s body was found in the school.

2:22 p.m.: Federal agents investigating whether slain Connecticut school gunman had a relationship with someone in the school, sources say.

1:44 p.m.: “The scene is secure. The public is not in danger,” says Connecticut State Police spokesman Paul Vance.

1:42 p.m.:” Shooter is deceased inside the [school,]” says Connecticut State Police spokesman Paul Vance.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/12/live-updates-newtown-ct-school-shooting/

Blogger ajw308 December 14, 2012 2:47 PM  

The easiest thing remaing is regulating ammo, since making smokeless powder and primers isn't something you should do in the bath tub.

Paper or cotton & Nitric Acid & Sulfuric Acid in a glass jar and viola, you've got gun cotton. Primers are just as easy, except you'll need to run to Walmart since you may not have the components already at your house (or in your driveway).

Blogger IM2L844 December 14, 2012 2:49 PM  

Here's a better argument. A crazed shooter at a public school is an extremely rare event and has little to do with home schooling or gun control. Let's resist the urge to politicize the rare event and argue home schooling on it's merits alone.

George, what percentage of American men between the ages of 18 and 35 are killed on the battlefield each year?

Would you agree that, in terms of probabilities, it is a rare event? By your logic, the arguments against war are improperly "politicized"?

Genius!

Anonymous Cinco December 14, 2012 2:49 PM  

"Israel stopped gun violence at their schools by arming the teachers."

I don't know if that is true or not, but I suspect it may be. However, let's not advocate putting guns in the hands of public school teachers around my kids, the can't teach math, science, and English well enough as is. We clearly don't need to add target practice to their plate.

Anonymous Josh December 14, 2012 2:49 PM  

Odds he was on ritalin?

Anonymous Soga December 14, 2012 2:50 PM  

"It's not difficult for a child to shoot himself with one either. What's your point?"

Home-schooling reduces this risk. There are much fewer pathologies of psychology occurring in home-school circumstances which may cause an in-home shooting than there are resulting from public schooling.

"'The sluggard says, 'There is a lion in the road! A lion is in the open square!' Prov 26:13"

Nah, it's prudence. Public schooling makes as much sense for Christians (who I presume you're addressing with that biblical reference) as it does for ancient Israelites sending their own children to Canaanite schools, if there were any. I'm not sure God would have been okay with the Israelites leaving their kids with people who often sacrificed their children to their idol gods.

Oh wait, have things really changed that much?

Blogger Giraffe December 14, 2012 2:51 PM  

I think George has a point. [I wouldn't want anybody to call me a sycophant.]

Anonymous SandW December 14, 2012 2:51 PM  

People keep using the words "George" and "logic" in the same posts.

They just don't go together...

Blogger ajw308 December 14, 2012 2:52 PM  

George,
Yes, Vox stated that " If all children are home-schooled, the number of public school shootings will be zero. Do you not follow that logic?"

My point is that case is possible. Your case is not possible. Do you not follow that?

Anonymous Lysander Spooner December 14, 2012 2:52 PM  

Perps FaceBook


https://www.facebook.com/rlanza/info

Blogger ajw308 December 14, 2012 2:53 PM  

LOL, Cinco. Great point.

Anonymous George of the Hole December 14, 2012 2:59 PM  

IM2L844: "Would you agree that, in terms of probabilities, it is a rare event? By your logic, the arguments against war are improperly "politicized"?"

If the argument is "If you don't go to war then you can't get killed in a war" then it's not just improperly politicized it's just moronic. Sheez.

NOTE TO ALL MORONS WHO THINK I'M ANTI GUN OR ANTI HOMESCHOOL - I am an NRA member and I support home schooling. I am, however, against senseless knee-jerk arguments like the one presented above.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 December 14, 2012 3:00 PM  

One thing I've noticed ever since this summer - all initial shooter stories like this now mention immediately that the shooter had body armor, so sorry wing nuts, you wouldn't have been able to shoot back.
This from the same media that thinks "semi-automatic" means ultra, mega, super automatic rather than less-than-automatic.

Anonymous dh December 14, 2012 3:01 PM  

More gun control laws means less law abiding citizens with guns.

Less guns bought by law abiding citizens means few gun makers. Decreaed supply means greater cost per unit, and greater scarcity of the weapons.

This is the iron clad rule of supply & demand. Of course gun control will control guns. It will not control the actions of crazy people.

Anonymous Josh December 14, 2012 3:02 PM  

But semi trucks are bigger than pickup trucks, Huck!

Anonymous Boom December 14, 2012 3:02 PM  

Gun control is inevitable.

There are too many mass shooting taking place. Expect more strict gun control laws in the future.

Blogger Nate December 14, 2012 3:02 PM  

Macro and Micro.

I can't control everyone's children. I can control mine. Mine will not be shot in some school massacre... because mine won't be in a school.

Anonymous 11B December 14, 2012 3:04 PM  

all initial shooter stories like this now mention immediately that the shooter had body armor, so sorry wing nuts, you wouldn't have been able to shoot back.

Body armor does not cover the entire body. You can take out the legs and lower body, or if you are good, aim for the face.

Anonymous Daniel December 14, 2012 3:05 PM  

George, whose knee is jerking? This thesis is not new, nor newly established. Mass shootings occur at the masses, and elementary school funnels are designed, both in facility and social vulnerability, to become a very happy hunting ground for the psychopath.

The fellow did write an entire book centered around a school shooting. You can't suggest he hasn't thought this one through, of all things.

Anonymous Soga December 14, 2012 3:05 PM  

dh: False. Gun makers still have to make guns for the military, and even if you shut down the legitimate gun makers, illegitimate ones will just take their places. There will assuredly arise a black market that thrives very well on contraband firearms.

And besides, given the Second Amendment, you have a lot of currently law-abiding citizens who will believe that gun control is ITSELF ILLEGAL, AND AN ILLEGITIMATE LAW. In other words, the government is the lawbreaker here, not the person trading contraband fireamrs!

Anonymous George of the Hole December 14, 2012 3:05 PM  

My point is that case is possible. Your case is not possible. Do you not follow that?

Both are highly unlikely. That's why it's a stupid argument.

Anonymous Kriston December 14, 2012 3:06 PM  

Soga December 14, 2012 2:34 PM

It's not that difficult to build personal firearms.


According to the FBI statistics over 1/3 of all firearms confiscated from gang members used in shooting were "home made".

If you don't need it to last for years cheap metals can be used and worked with tools any machine shop would have.

Anonymous WinstonWebb December 14, 2012 3:06 PM  

Boom December 14, 2012 3:02 PM

Gun control is inevitable.

There are too many mass shooting taking place. Expect more strict gun control laws in the future.


Probably correct, and I'll add to the prediction:

Expect more mass shootings to take place as gun control laws get stricter.

Anonymous Daniel December 14, 2012 3:07 PM  

all initial shooter stories like this now mention immediately that the shooter had body armor, so sorry wing nuts, you wouldn't have been able to shoot back.

Oh. Then just put body armor on elementary kids, and they'll never die again.

Blogger Giraffe December 14, 2012 3:09 PM  

I advocate repealing the first amendment. Because the the publicity these nutjobs get is what inspires the next one.

Blogger Steve M. December 14, 2012 3:10 PM  

"Say what you will about homeschooling, but if your child is taught at home, he's not going to be shot there by some disgruntled school employee, student, or parent. "

Yup -- and while you're at it, set up a mall and a movie theater in your house so your kids don't get shot in the ones out there. Oh, and don't let your kids, especially your daughters, get into any intimate relationships.

In fact, just barricade your kids in the house and brick up the windows. That oughta keep 'em safe.

Blogger Trust December 14, 2012 3:10 PM  

We all see the horror and senselessness of killing innocent school children.

What is also sad is that innocent children have a much better chance of getting out of that school alive than innocent children have of getting out of the womb alive.

Anonymous FP December 14, 2012 3:12 PM  

"Sure they generate more profit. But the gun still needs to be manufactured somehow. Booze is easy to produce. Guns, I would expect, would be harder?"

Yeah, because there are no CNC machines that make it easy to machine weapons/parts. They aren't expensive. Let alone old school hand tools/machine tools.

http://www.popehat.com/2011/10/06/the-third-wave-cnc-stereolithography-and-the-end-of-gun-control/

Looks like the killer shot his mother at the school, a woman at his mother's home and his father is dead down in NJ and 20 or so kids.

Anonymous Daniel December 14, 2012 3:13 PM  

I found it notable that last month's mass murder at a school wasn't covered at all as soon as it was discovered that the killer was not a gunman, but an archer. They also changed the media crime from "mass shooting at community college" to a "murder-suicide."

Anonymous Daniel December 14, 2012 3:14 PM  

Yup -- and while you're at it, set up a mall and a movie theater in your house so your kids don't get shot in the ones out there. Oh, and don't let your kids, especially your daughters, get into any intimate relationships.

What does an intimate relationship have to do with a mass shooting, Steve?

Anonymous Jeffrey Quick December 14, 2012 3:15 PM  

OK. I know how to fix this: only hire chaste unmarried women to teach elementary school, they way they used to.

Anonymous PR December 14, 2012 3:15 PM  

WW-
"Expect more mass shootings to take place as gun control laws get stricter."

Nah. The false flags will have served their purpose by then, so why would the government continue with them?

Anonymous 11B December 14, 2012 3:17 PM  

Gun control is inevitable.

There are too many mass shooting taking place. Expect more strict gun control laws in the future.


If the left wants to enact gun control they need to make sure they handle it like they have other issues over the past 40 years. They need to do it slowly and give it the pretense of legality. Given that the Heller case at the Supreme Court was just a 5-4 decision, it shouldn't take them much longer before they can win in that venue.

It has been shown that conservatives will obey legal decisions that are done Constitutionally. After all, conservatives sat back and did little to stop what has happened over the past forty years since it has all been done through a thin veneer of legality. Even the health care debate is going to subside since Roberts gave it the seal of approval.

The worst mistake the left can make is to overreach and try to confiscate weapons or go outside the framework of the law. Frankly, I wish they would because I don't know what else would fire up conservatives enough to take action. By their very nature they wish to preserve the United States, even though it really doesn't exist anymore, at least not the country they think it is. So they are reluctant to stage protests or commit civil disobedience like the people on the left routinely do.

So long as the left gets the Court to justify its actions, conservatives will go quietly into the night. Let's hope the left gets impatient and overplays their hand.

Anonymous 11B December 14, 2012 3:21 PM  

As far as making guns is concerned, it is not that hard. Pakistan is famous for its cottage gun industry that copies other manufacturers' designs and cranks out homemade knockoffs.

Anonymous debbs December 14, 2012 3:22 PM  

Correction: It was recently released that the shooter is the son of a teacher. He targeted his mother and those in her classroom.

Anonymous Stilicho December 14, 2012 3:22 PM  

I am an NRA member

Why are you a member of the NRA George? Shouldn't you just turn the other cheek?

Blogger Nate December 14, 2012 3:33 PM  

so... What are the odds shooter was an atheist?

Anonymous RINO December 14, 2012 3:34 PM  

so... What are the odds shooter was an atheist?

24 year old white male with parental issues? 80% at least.

Blogger Nate December 14, 2012 3:34 PM  

"Why are you a member of the NRA George? Shouldn't you just turn the other cheek?"

Hey.. nothing wrong with ex-NRA members. I myself am an ex-NRA member. I don't support anti-gun organizations.

Blogger JartStar December 14, 2012 3:39 PM  

I've seen multiple people ask: What's wrong with the world?

Answer: Evil. Specifically sin.

Only moderns could be so confused when directly confronted by evil.

Anonymous George of the Hole December 14, 2012 3:40 PM  

Why are you a member of the NRA George? Shouldn't you just turn the other cheek?

Turn the other cheek to a charging wild boar?

Anonymous CunningDove December 14, 2012 3:50 PM  

George of the Hole December 14, 2012 3:40 PM

Why are you a member of the NRA George? Shouldn't you just turn the other cheek?

Turn the other cheek to a charging wild boar?


No, no. Turn both cheeks to the charging wild boar. You will want as much cushion as possible in the area of impact...

Anonymous Holla December 14, 2012 3:51 PM  

Actually, the odds of an accidental gun death for a child at home are probably about even with the odds of getting massacred at school:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2935511/posts

Anonymous DonReynolds December 14, 2012 3:52 PM  

11Bravo...."The worst mistake the left can make is to overreach and try to confiscate weapons or go outside the framework of the law. Frankly, I wish they would because I don't know what else would fire up conservatives enough to take action."

It worked perfectly in 1775 at Concord and Lexington. Ordinary men with rifles resisted forced disarmament by the British....which was the purpose of their march from Boston. Ironic, no? That the Americans would rise up in defense of their Second Amendment rights many years before there was any such legal right.

Anonymous Dynamic Shared Object December 14, 2012 3:55 PM  

"24 year old white male with parental issues? 80% at least."

Been to a shrink. 99%.

Anonymous Josh December 14, 2012 3:55 PM  

Obama is calling for "meaningful action" on guns.

Anonymous CunningDove December 14, 2012 3:55 PM  

JartStar December 14, 2012 3:39 PM
I've seen multiple people ask: What's wrong with the world?

Answer: Evil. Specifically sin.

Only moderns could be so confused when directly confronted by evil.

If the basis of your world view is that most people are good, then something like this is shocking. As Christians, we should understand that evil is our natural inclination, and should not be shocked by these kinds of things. Sadly, too many Churchians also believe something more like the Buddhists, that all men are basically good. But they are corrupted by material things. So, sadly, the Churchians are shocked & suprised by these kinds of things.

There may also be a case to be made that those who do not know or understand history, are shocked by what they see mankind is capable of. What is happening today is kind of tame compared to things which have been done by historical standards.

Anonymous VD December 14, 2012 3:59 PM  

Here's a better argument. A crazed shooter at a public school is an extremely rare event and has little to do with home schooling or gun control. Let's resist the urge to politicize the rare event and argue home schooling on it's merits alone.

The events are already politicized the moment they happen, George. I'll stop pushing the "homeschool or die" angle just as soon as they stop trying to push gun control. It seems to escape you that my rhetorical argument will shut down their rhetorical argument much more effectively than your resort to statistical reality.

Game out the conversation. See if you can work out how it goes. The argument isn't stupid, the meta-argument is over your head.

Anonymous George of the Hole December 14, 2012 4:02 PM  

Holla: Actually, the odds of an accidental gun death for a child at home are probably about even with the odds of getting massacred at school:

Nope. Not even close. 62 to 5 for the year you cite.

Blogger JartStar December 14, 2012 4:02 PM  

It appears one of the weapons is a .223 Bushmaster.

OpenID simplytimothy December 14, 2012 4:06 PM  

The argument isn't stupid, the meta-argument is over your head.

That dim light you sensed was the light bulb going on in my head. Your technique is important, Vox Day; I will study it.

OpenID simplytimothy December 14, 2012 4:08 PM  

And that 'Crap!' was me learning that the html quote tags did not actually quote your quote.

Anonymous VD December 14, 2012 4:10 PM  

Nope. Not even close. 62 to 5 for the year you cite.

From School Transportation News: "During the seven years between 1989 and 1996, 9,500 school-age children were killed during school hours while riding in all kinds of motor vehicles."

That's 1,357 to 62, George. And that doesn't include the 5 shot at school, or the "16 children are fatally injured as pedestrians in the loading & unloading zone around school buses annually."

Banning the schools would save 1,378 children every year. And if just one child is saved, then it's worth it, isn't it?

Anonymous kh123 December 14, 2012 4:13 PM  

"Perps FaceBook"

Is gone now. That was fast, but not unexpected. Wonder what the workers are being protected from.

Blogger Joe A. December 14, 2012 4:16 PM  

It's twenty children, and the gunman was 24 years old. His mother was a teacher there, and was one of his murder victims.

Anonymous kh123 December 14, 2012 4:16 PM  

"Actually, the odds of an accidental gun death for a child at home are probably about even with the odds of getting massacred at school:"

Replace "gun death" with "car accident" or "vehicular manslaughter". How do the averages fare out.

If a car or gun owner who's also a parent is that negligent with such things, then it would eventually be knives, natural gas, or plastic bags as the culprit.

Anonymous Other Josh December 14, 2012 4:16 PM  

I'm interested in the identity of the man. I want the back story. I want to know if people saw a 2nd gunmen.

It's a shame the current gov't has me so paranoid - but I'm already wondering "Is this a potential false flag?"

Anonymous kh123 December 14, 2012 4:18 PM  

"Let's resist the urge to politicize the rare event and argue home schooling on it's merits alone."

Actually, I'd like to see you argue the merits of public schooling.

Blogger JartStar December 14, 2012 4:22 PM  

Banning the schools would save 1,378 children every year. And if just one child is saved, then it's worth it, isn't it?

That's why the statistical arguments don't work with this issue as people are too emotional about it to accept anything but rhetoric.

The desire to correct the problem by attempting to take away guns goes directly back to modern Western people's intentional ignorance of the evil ways of man. Would the average ancient Greek, Roman or Western Medieval be confused if they heard about someone murdering children? Doubtful.

Anonymous kh123 December 14, 2012 4:22 PM  

"If a car or gun owner who's also a parent is that negligent with such things, then it would eventually be knives, natural gas, or plastic bags as the culprit."

Let's add prescription drugs to that list, specifically ones that treat emotional conditions. You've seen the commercials, the ones with warnings and side effects that go on longer than the actual advert itself. How many kids get access to these, either at home or through school.

Anonymous George of the Hole December 14, 2012 4:22 PM  

VD: It seems to escape you that my rhetorical argument will shut down their rhetorical argument much more effectively than your resort to statistical reality.

I didn't resort to statistical reality - (it's a losing argument for pro-homeschoolers like you and I). I pointed out that the natural rebuttal to your argument is statistical reality. Schools on the whole are safer than homes. Period. Statistics undercut your argument immediately. And if we include child abuse statistics your argument is completely toast.

The argument for home schooling should not be based upon safety, it should be based upon effectiveness.

Anonymous Holla December 14, 2012 4:25 PM  

VD December 14, 2012 4:10 PM

Nope. Not even close. 62 to 5 for the year you cite.

From School Transportation News: "During the seven years between 1989 and 1996, 9,500 school-age children were killed during school hours while riding in all kinds of motor vehicles."

That's 1,357 to 62, George. And that doesn't include the 5 shot at school, or the "16 children are fatally injured as pedestrians in the loading & unloading zone around school buses annually."

Banning the schools would save 1,378 children every year. And if just one child is saved, then it's worth it, isn't it?

***

TIL home schooled children don't die in car crashes.

Anonymous Roundtine December 14, 2012 4:25 PM  

Schools on the whole are safer than homes. Period.

George, did you adjust for time spent in school? Children are not in school on weekends, holidays or summer.

Anonymous Soga December 14, 2012 4:28 PM  

And how many of these accidental deaths by firearms in the home occurred when the child was unattended?

At least with homeschooling, a parent stays home with the children. Reduced risk, as I said.

Anonymous patrick kelly December 14, 2012 4:31 PM  

"One thing I've noticed ever since this summer - all initial shooter stories like this now mention immediately that the shooter had body armor, so sorry wing nuts, you wouldn't have been able to shoot back."

Except it turned out later out (in the case of the Aurora Theater and the recent Portland mall shooting) that it they weren't wearing anything resembling what was first reported, or it was just evil, black, military looking clothing or gear that wouldn't stop a .22lr. It's all about perception, never mind what they were really wearing. We must ban all dark, canvas, assault clothing and bags with high capacity straps !!!

Anonymous TD December 14, 2012 4:31 PM  

It was on the internet so I don't know how factual it was, though it jives with my observations.

Weird, but this is now the third time I've encountered this today.

It's jibes. J-I-B-E-S.

Anonymous George of the Hole December 14, 2012 4:32 PM  

2010 - 1,537 children killed by parental abuse or neglect. 7 killed in public schools.

We could go on all day if you like but that would be stupid. Just as I told you hours ago.

I suggest a better statistic would be the average income of adults who were home schooled (or something along those lines). Positive arguments are winners.

Anonymous Matt December 14, 2012 4:32 PM  

Schools on the whole are safer than homes. Period. Statistics undercut your argument immediately.

This is not at all clear to me from the statistics. Deaths among the young tend to be motor vehicle accidents or homicides, neither of which generally occur in the home as such. They don't occur much in school as such either, but "in the home" vs "in the classroom" is pretty hard to suss out from CDC death tables alone.

Anonymous the bandit December 14, 2012 4:32 PM  

JartStar December 14, 2012 3:39 PM
I've seen multiple people ask: What's wrong with the world?

Answer: Evil. Specifically sin.

Only moderns could be so confused when directly confronted by evil.


That was my main reaction and takeway from my Facebook feed as well.

Anonymous ThirdMonkey December 14, 2012 4:34 PM  

The midset is the problem. We are a nation of sheep, waiting for politicians' laws to make us safe. Police are not supposed to "serve and protect", their job is to catch criminals after the fact, and they do a pitiful job at that. It is MY job to protect MY person, property, and my family. It is also MY responsibility to educate my children. I can do neither if the government assumes responsibility. No law, politician, or bureaucrat, can, nor should, do that. We expect politicians and bureaucrats to educate our children, provide us with health care, and keep us safe, and are suprized when shit like this happens?

Anonymous Matt December 14, 2012 4:35 PM  

2010 - 1,537 children killed by parental abuse or neglect. 7 killed in public schools.

Sorry if this gives me two comments in a rule, but I would venture to guess that most of those 1,537 dead were publicly schooled children. Again, it doesn't have any bearing at all on the home/school safety statistics by itself.

Anonymous Soga December 14, 2012 4:36 PM  

"We could go on all day if you like but that would be stupid. Just as I told you hours ago."

No, that's a perfectly stupid argument to use against homeschooling. That's an argument against allowing people to be parents. Ban parenting! Put all the kids in daycare centers!

Anonymous Mike M. December 14, 2012 4:37 PM  

Vox's argument has two advantages.

First, it's clearly legal. He's not trespassing on anyone else's liberties.

Second, it would work. Compartmentation is a standard way to minimize catastrophic losses.

Anonymous J. Doe December 14, 2012 4:41 PM  

Holla December 14, 2012 3:51 PM

Actually, the odds of an accidental gun death for a child at home are probably about even with the odds of getting massacred at school


Even if this were true, the obvious conclusion would be: Keep the guns away from your children, and keep the children away from school.

Anonymous jay c December 14, 2012 4:43 PM  

2010 - 1,537 children killed by parental abuse or neglect. 7 killed in public schools. -George

How many of those children killed by parental abuse or neglect (if they actually were) were also public school students? 99%?

Anonymous jay c December 14, 2012 4:44 PM  

Even if this were true, the obvious conclusion would be: Keep the guns away from your children, and keep the children away from school. -j. doe

It might be obvious, but it's also wrong. A better conclusion would be: Teach your young children proper respect and use of firearms, and keep them away from public schools.

Anonymous J. Doe December 14, 2012 4:51 PM  

Teach your young children proper respect and use of firearms, and keep them away from public schools.

I considered this to be obvious as well. Until they do learn proper respect and use of firearms, one keeps the guns away from the children.

Blogger Amy Haines December 14, 2012 4:57 PM  

It's a shame the current gov't has me so paranoid - but I'm already wondering "Is this a potential false flag?"

I thought the same thing an hour or so after I first heard the news. First I prayed, then I strayed into conspiracy land. Even if not a false flag op, it's a tragedy that will not go unexploited.

@George of the Hole, one of the merits of homeschooling is that your children will not be shot up while they are supposedly safe and learning all of those wonderful 21st Century Skills type of things. I understand you advocate for homeschooling; calling Vox's arguments knee-jerk fails to take into account his long advocacy for homechooling. Not exposing your progeny to such danger as school-shootings is definitely a merit of the homeschool movement.

Anonymous jay c December 14, 2012 4:58 PM  

Teach your young children proper respect and use of firearms, and keep them away from public schools.

I considered this to be obvious as well. Until they do learn proper respect and use of firearms, one keeps the guns away from the children.

Ok. I can agree with that.

Anonymous Daniel December 14, 2012 4:59 PM  

This is stupid. The question isn't mortality, it is this: are you more likely to die in a mass shooting at a school or in a home?

Furthermore, I'll take George's stats at face value:
2010 - 1,537 children killed by parental abuse or neglect. 7 killed in public schools.

Never mind that parental abuse never hits the body count jackpot that public school shootings hit routinely (which is the question at the margin), I'll weight those numbers sensibly:

1,537 children in pool A. 7 in pool B.

Pool B kid spent 880 hours (or so) per year in its grouping. That's an average of .13 killings per hour.

Pool A kid spent 8000 hours (or so, minus the Pool B hours) per year in its grouping. That's an average of .19 killings per hour.

Now, factoring that Pool B is a single location, and Pool A is any other location besides Pool B, and that the forms of death are entirely different "killed at school" is not comparable to "abuse and neglect", and finally, that mass murder can be cherry picked, due to its clustering nature, your stats (which are fundamentally wrong) aren't even in your favor.

After all, this single incident from today alone pushed the hourly murder rate in elementary schools above .20 per hour, surpassing your "colossal" figure of abuse and neglect.

Anonymous Noah B. December 14, 2012 5:00 PM  

"Been to a shrink. 99%."

And where one finds shrinks, one often finds antidepressants.

Anonymous YIH December 14, 2012 5:01 PM  

From Wikipedia (take it for what you will);
I was curious, so I googled 'gun laws in Italy' and that is what I found.
Notice the phrasing: ''Gun_politics_in_Italy''.
NOT ''gun control''; ''gun politics''

Anonymous FP December 14, 2012 5:06 PM  

"It appears one of the weapons is a .223 Bushmaster."

Yeah, they're pimping that line now, as it fits with the Clackamas mall shooting and the Aurora one. I've also heard he had two 9mm pistols on him at the school. And supposedly the .223 was found in his car at the scene.

Obumbles in his press conference made a brief allusion to doing something about this, as quoted earlier in the thread and Carney has made a similar statement.

From Drudge headline:

"Ryan Lanza, 24, brother of gunman Adam Lanza, 20, tells authorities that his younger brother is autistic, or has Asperger syndrome and a “personality disorder.” Neighbors described the younger man to ABC as “odd” and displaying characteristics associated with obsessive-compulsive disorder... MORE..."

Blogger Amy Haines December 14, 2012 5:10 PM  

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Anonymous Jerome Horowitz December 14, 2012 5:10 PM  

Other Josh December 14, 2012 4:16 PM

I'm interested in the identity of the man. I want the back story. I want to know if people saw a 2nd gunmen.

One News outlet made the statement, that the second person of interest (In handcuffs)may be Ryan Lanza's younger brother.

Anonymous Zek December 14, 2012 5:10 PM  

Autistic eh, should these be considered vaccine-related deaths?

I know, no relation... except in the Italian courts.

Anonymous Noah B. December 14, 2012 5:11 PM  

It's also important to remember that, although this is tragic, the media is focusing on this because this sort of thing is relatively rare and because they have an agenda of pushing gun control. I believe this government is ready to commit theft on an unprecedented scale, and they see private gun ownership as the major remaining obstacle to this.

Blogger Amy Haines December 14, 2012 5:16 PM  

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Anonymous David December 14, 2012 5:24 PM  

3D printing of firearms is only a few short years away from reality. There is no banning guns, anymore than banning software piracy, drugs, or illegally copied PDFs.

Anonymous George of the Hole December 14, 2012 5:24 PM  

@Daniel

You neglected to include statistics for amount of time spent in extracurricular activities - chess club, sports, cheerleading. Also, some kids take lunch off campus. And don't forget detention. Also, some kids participate in a breakfast program before school. And some stay late to help the teacher. Oh, and clapping erasers after school. Please redo and do try to be more thorough.

Oh, and BTW you've completely missed Vox's point as well as mine.


Anonymous Jerome Horowitz December 14, 2012 5:30 PM  

This Government has demonstrated that they can’t control the removal of 12 million illegal aliens. But, is now hinting that they need to control 270 million legal firearms. That should work out real well.

Anonymous Curt Cobain December 14, 2012 5:34 PM  

We should just let the police protect us.

Anonymous Stilicho December 14, 2012 5:38 PM  

2010 - 1,537 children killed by parental abuse or neglect. 7 killed in public schools.

How many of those 1,537 were homeschooled George?

Wild Boar? Would you use a firearm to defend yourself or your family from another person George? Why/Why not?

Anonymous bw December 14, 2012 5:39 PM  

Let's see: UN small arms treaty vote coming up again since the selection is over - hhmmm.
These lone nut firearms know right when to act and practice their inanimate object free will to aid the cause, and influence the historically ignorant and psychologically challenged sheeple.
It's a miracle.
Of course, this has the opposite effect - as it should - as recent history shows.
These inanimate objects have absolutely no respect for the law whatsoever. The nerve of them.

Anonymous Zartan December 14, 2012 6:07 PM  

So, over/under on the perp being an Atheist?

Anonymous NorthernHamlet December 14, 2012 6:09 PM  

Vox,

"It seems to escape you that my rhetorical argument will shut down their rhetorical argument much more effectively than your resort to statistical reality."

So you counter their bad argument with another one? I realize you think this is clever, but it comes off as simply petty political point scoring, especially since its fairly likely you believe your argument just as they believe their own.

I'd prefer more of the big picture you mentioned and less of the petty politics.

Anonymous VD December 14, 2012 6:21 PM  

So you counter their bad argument with another one? I realize you think this is clever, but it comes off as simply petty political point scoring, especially since its fairly likely you believe your argument just as they believe their own. I'd prefer more of the big picture you mentioned and less of the petty politics.

I don't think it is clever, I know it is applied Aristotelian logic. You cannot convince those limited to the rhetoric with dialectic. It is not possible. You can only convince them with superior rhetoric. The moment someone starts yammering about gun control in response to a school shooting, it is obvious that the discourse is rhetorical in nature.

Trying to talk about big pictures or summoning statistics is about as relevant as reciting the Iliad. It's not petty politics or point scoring, it is the only possible form of dialogue.

Anonymous FP December 14, 2012 6:28 PM  

"So, over/under on the perp being an Atheist?" Magic 8-ball says likely.

Found this on another forum, supposedly a screenshot of the killer's facebook page:

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/3611_423506811050933_1150852840_n.jpg

Anonymous Susan December 14, 2012 6:36 PM  

George in a really deep hole's comment that schools are safer than homes period is amusing. Nothing says love like giving precious children to an institutional system that brainwashes them with stupidity, puts them in danger from pedo pervs, exposes them to bullying from fellow students as well as staff and so on. And then there's the transportation dangers mentioned by our host earlier.

Putting another brick on the wall of the argument to homeschool is not knee-jerk. It is just another fact. If my adult children were kids again, we would be homeschooling. No way would I be exposing them to the system as it stands now.

Blogger IM2L844 December 14, 2012 6:45 PM  

If the argument is "If you don't go to war then you can't get killed in a war" then it's not just improperly politicized it's just moronic. Sheez.

NOTE TO ALL MORONS WHO THINK I'M ANTI GUN OR ANTI HOMESCHOOL - I am an NRA member and I support home schooling. I am, however, against senseless knee-jerk arguments like the one presented above.


It was the false premise of YOUR argument (rare events should not be "politicized") that I was addressing. A false premise makes your argument invalid regardless of the conclusion, idiot.

Anonymous Salt December 14, 2012 6:53 PM  

This shit has to stop. Gun control is not the answer. Homeschooling is individual, and worthy. It's not the answer. Getting kids off the government sponsored and approved drugs would be a start.

I asked the owner of a local restaurant what he'd think if I had firearm on my ankle. He said he wished I would.

Anonymous Noah B. December 14, 2012 6:54 PM  

"3D printing of firearms is only a few short years away from reality."

3D printing of guns is here now. So is making a gun on any number of milling machines, including something as simple as a drill press, or even with nothing more sophisticated than a vise and hand tools, as has been done in Peshawar for over a century. All that governments can achieve through gun control measures is to drive up the price of guns and ensure a greater pool of helpless victims.

Blogger CR106 December 14, 2012 6:55 PM  

ThirdMonkey said: "The midset is the problem."

I agree. Some people believe government is the answer. Others believe the answer lies with us. I posted on this idea on my blog for anyone interested.

http://chrisritchie.blogspot.com/2012/12/connecticut-school-shooting-divergent.html

Blogger CR106 December 14, 2012 7:08 PM  

When will people understand that the government is "Law ENFORCEMENT," not "Crime Prevention?" While the shooter is in there heartlessly murdering 20 or more 5 year olds, the morons from law enforcement are getting all gussied up for a dog and pony show of force to the community. As if walking around in your Michael Dukakis helmets makes you look tough. Check out the photos:

http://www.courant.com/news/breaking/hc-pictures-newtown-school-shooting-20121214,0,2741090.photogallery

I hate it when all sorts of government police show up long after there is any possibility of preventing more killings. This is why the teachers and staff need to be armed.

Let's just count the number of agencies off the top of my head:
Newton Local Police
County Sheriff
Connecticut State Police
ATF
FBI

That's at least FIVE organizations with over-militarized police forces descending upon an elementary school where the shooter is already dead. Amazingly, not one "Law Enforcement" official suffered any casualties...

Anonymous Tad December 14, 2012 7:14 PM  

Well, if you are going to advocate homeschooling as a defense against violence, the good thing is that gun ownership and the keeping of guns in the home has been dropping continually since 1980 and with it rates of gun violence, crime and shootings in the home.

A next good step would be outlawing automatic weapons and making sure background checks are done on all gun purchases.

The drop in gun ownership and gun violence, and these simple steps, would insure that homeschoolers would be safer as they learn the earth is 6,000 years old, there's no such thing as evolution and a god put humans, dinosaurs and everything else on the earth together.

Anonymous Noah B. December 14, 2012 7:20 PM  

"gun ownership and the keeping of guns in the home has been dropping continually since 1980"

Bullshit. Source?

Anonymous J. Doe December 14, 2012 7:25 PM  

and these simple steps, would insure that homeschoolers would be safer as they learn the earth is 6,000 years old, there's no such thing as evolution and a god put humans, dinosaurs and everything else on the earth together.

Also, that that faggots are disgusting and twisted freaks of nature.

The putrid stench of fagotosis has infiltrated VP.

Anonymous jlw December 14, 2012 7:26 PM  

George is right. People arguing with him are acting like morons. That is all.

Anonymous AlteredFate December 14, 2012 7:36 PM  

I would assume that Tad's children go to a vibrant inner-city public school with an amazingly diverse student body and and wonderful teachers who posses every sexual orientation of the rainbow...but I'm guessing that Tad has no children because gays can't adopt in his state and hence all his anger issues with us "heteros".

Anonymous castricv December 14, 2012 7:38 PM  

First off, this is a horrbile tragedy in a line of ever increasing silliness. Be prepared for the future as it will not just strike 12 and happen, but gradually morph into hell.

However as for the inevitable gun control pandering while the bodies are still warm, one could just as easily point out the guy who just killed 22 people in China WITH A KNIFE a few FRIKKIN DAYS ago.

Society is ill and will one day have to clense itself. Banning an implement will not solve this problem, nor will simply staying home. Home schooling has far more better reasons.

Like the boy scouts say and is now more and more pertinent "Be Prepared"

Anonymous Soga December 14, 2012 7:38 PM  

"a god put humans, dinosaurs and everything else on the earth together."

I thought The Flintstones was nonfiction. Why would you destroy my childhood like that? Why do you hate hate hate hate children?

Anonymous bw December 14, 2012 7:38 PM  


Connecticut school shooting revives gun debate
The Associated Press (24 minutes ago) (aka. "Reuters")

Connecticut school shooting revives gun debate as survivors ask, 'How long will this go on?'


Right on Cue.
This Propaganda BullShit is so fucking easy.
Next.

Anonymous robwbright December 14, 2012 7:40 PM  

OT FYI, Vox:

"Land Creatures Might Not Have Come From The Sea" or Evolutionists really have no idea what they even believe.

http://www.capradio.org/news/npr/story?storyid=167052782

Blogger ajw308 December 14, 2012 7:41 PM  

Tad,
Automatic weapons are already outlawed. In fact the only crime committed with a registered class III (i.e. automatic) weapon was by a law enforcement officer. Or do you mean semi-auto?

Would a background check have stopped this tragedy? If the shooter had passed a background check, your logic falls apart.

I'd argue that the reduction in crime has been the result of a number of states passing 'shall issue' policies for concealed weapons. The most notable being Florida where the police started handing out CCW permits as a last resort since it had become obvious that they couldn't stop crime.

Warning: The facts below are not for Tad, but for the benefit of those capable. Had this post been for Tad, it would have consisted of a story.
The average number of people killed in mass shootings when stopped by police is 14.3

The average number of people killed in a mass shooting when stopped by a citizen* is 2.3.


One needs to realize that police in real life are far far different from police in movies and tv.

*I corrected civilian to citizen so I wouldn't imply that police are soldiers (one of my pet peeves).

Anonymous Tad December 14, 2012 7:42 PM  

@J Doe

and these simple steps, would insure that homeschoolers would be safer as they learn the earth is 6,000 years old, there's no such thing as evolution and a god put humans, dinosaurs and everything else on the earth together.

Also, that that faggots are disgusting and twisted freaks of nature.


Exactly....Funny. Thank you.

Anonymous Godfrey December 14, 2012 7:43 PM  

How many children has the government funded Planned Parenthood murdered so far this year?

How many foreign children has the goverment's military murdered overseas?

Anonymous Illios December 14, 2012 7:45 PM  

This is has all the markings of a false flag operation by militant home school advocates.

(see how dumb you all sound?)

Anonymous jay c December 14, 2012 7:46 PM  

A next good step would be outlawing automatic weapons and making sure background checks are done on all gun purchases.

tad, you missed the previous conversation about 3dthe printing, huh?

unicorns, tad. gun control is all unicorns. with rainbow wings.

Anonymous kh123 December 14, 2012 7:48 PM  

"The drop in gun ownership and gun violence, and these simple steps, would insure that homeschoolers would be safer as they learn the earth is 6,000 years old, there's no such thing as evolution and a god put humans, dinosaurs and everything else on the earth together."

Do you know where I can get a linen patch with a slightly brighter yellow for the star, something that's not an armband but that can be sown onto a caftan? All I could find were "Sowjet" or the (I think they're) Dutch varieties that have "Jood". I want to make sure it looks clean the next time the gentlemen from the State show up at my residence looking for contraband (I burned all the rabbinical commentaries I had), and they can arrest you for having your patch schmutzed. The peyot and books I could sacrifice, but the caftan my father gave me; I can't let it go. So maybe if I comply with having a nicely kept patch, they'll be alright with me having it.

Anonymous Tad December 14, 2012 7:52 PM  

@Godfrey

How many children has the government funded Planned Parenthood murdered so far this year?

That would be zero.

Anonymous 204 December 14, 2012 7:53 PM  

that little bit about the town being 95% white magically dissipated?

Anonymous 204 December 14, 2012 7:54 PM  

disappeared

Anonymous Tad December 14, 2012 7:55 PM  

@AJW308

I'd argue that the reduction in crime has been the result of a number of states passing 'shall issue' policies for concealed weapon

I'm sure you would. So go ahead and make the case. At this point, it's a contention, at best.

Blogger Bob Wallace December 14, 2012 7:58 PM  

I am of the opinion that those who engage in the mass murder of children are pedophiles, usually on psychiatric murder "medication." Google Thomas Watt Hamilton for an example.

Anonymous Kommandant von Tadowicz; Sanfransisklag December 14, 2012 8:01 PM  

250,000 went into the work camp at the beginning of the year; 250,000 were there at the end. That would be zero deaths. Nevermind the cords of wood near the smokestacks there.

Anonymous mjb December 14, 2012 8:05 PM  

The liberal idiots come out of the woods when a tragedy strikes...

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein December 14, 2012 8:07 PM  

To the perpetrator of this horrendous crime:

BURN IN HELL, MOTHERF**KER!

Anonymous Noah B. December 14, 2012 8:13 PM  

"I'm sure you would. So go ahead and make the case. At this point, it's a contention, at best."

Wrong again. A very solid foundation for the thesis that increased gun ownership and concealed carry laws reduce crime was laid out in "More Guns, Less Crime." Even the staunchest of haplophobes have been unable to demonstrate significant flaws in Lott's exhaustive statistical analysis.

Anonymous Tad December 14, 2012 8:20 PM  

@Noah

Except, gun ownership has been decreasing since 1980.

Anonymous Walter Sobchack December 14, 2012 8:21 PM  

Shutup, Tad,

Anonymous Noah B. December 14, 2012 8:22 PM  

Tad, you need to ask yourself something very fundamental: since you are so consistently ignorant of pertinent facts, might your conclusions be in error?

Anonymous Noah B. December 14, 2012 8:23 PM  

"Except, gun ownership has been decreasing since 1980."

Again, that's wrong. Where did you get this idea? Provide a source with a link.

Anonymous Godfrey December 14, 2012 8:28 PM  

Planned Parenthood murders far more children. Maybe the rabid child hater Obama should fake cry over that.

Anonymous Godfrey December 14, 2012 8:30 PM  

Planned Parenthood is the real killer. They have plenty of blood on their hands.

Anonymous JartStar December 14, 2012 8:31 PM  

There hasn't been an increase in mass murders in the US. Even NPR stated that today. It's held constant at about 20 per year for decades.

Anonymous Van December 14, 2012 8:32 PM  

Tad should take a look at the UN's worldwide data on gun ownership and crime (easily found w/ google) - the correlation is between higher gun ownership and lower gun crime. In fact, the US has the highest rate of gun ownership in the world but is among the lower gun homicide rates. In the US, the white gun homicide rate is comparable to those seen in Europe; blacks and latinos drive up the US rate. But if guns cause crime, that can't be true...

Anonymous Tad December 14, 2012 8:35 PM  

Noah:

http://themonkeycage.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/guns.png

http://www.vpc.org/press/1104norc.htm

http://www.firearmstruth.com/2011/household-gun-ownership-reportedly-hits-new-low-%E2%80%93-according-to-anti-gun-group

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/31/politics/gun-ownership-declining/index.html

Anonymous Godrey December 14, 2012 8:36 PM  

I'm surprised the misopedist culture isn't applauding the act.

I bet they're happy at Planned Parenthood.

Anonymous Tad December 14, 2012 8:36 PM  

@Godfrey

Planned Parenthood murders far more children. Maybe the rabid child hater Obama should fake cry over that.

Zero murders of children by Planned Parenthood.

Anonymous Anonymous December 14, 2012 8:51 PM  

Tad,

You are an ass.

Planned Parenthood exterminates the life of a human being with a beating heart and DNA unique to that person.

About 1,200,000 different individual DNA bearing human babies will be aborted this year.

But that doesn't matter to a blood thirsty savage like you.

You probably celebrated that the school kids in Connecticut got wasted today too.

farmer Tom

Anonymous Van December 14, 2012 8:51 PM  

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx
October 26, 2011
Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/25/gun-ownership-us-data
The percentage of Americans who are in a gun household hasn't dropped for 15 years and may be at 1970s levels

Anonymous A Visitor December 14, 2012 9:01 PM  

Damn Vox, you beat me to it (about the Bath bombing)! Let's see, the firearms were owned by the shooter's mom and the shooter is reported to be autistic.

Anonymous zen0 December 14, 2012 9:03 PM  

Show of hands....How many people think Tad is interested in facts?

How many think Tad is really worth responding to?

How many think Tad is anything but a forum buster?

Tad has proven to be a moronic dipshit without honor. Why do you respond with anything but Shutup, Tad?

PS, Shutup, Tad.

Anonymous Tad December 14, 2012 9:03 PM  

@Farmer

About 1,200,000 different individual DNA bearing human babies will be aborted this year.

But that doesn't matter to a blood thirsty savage like you.


I think I'll continue to focus my attention on those folks who are actually walking the earth and deserve attention and care. Also, your fake anger doesn't impress. But knock yourself out.

Anonymous Tad December 14, 2012 9:06 PM  

@Zeno.

Imagine my surprise in learning you can't tell the truth.

What else you got?

Anonymous JartStar December 14, 2012 9:08 PM  

those folks who are actually walking the earth and deserve attention and care.

The unborn have to do something to deserve attention and care, apparently. Odd that we do things like recommend prenatal vitamins as those unborn babies don't deserve squat.

Anonymous zen0 December 14, 2012 9:11 PM  

The Shooter made Obama cry during his statement today. I like the way he wiped away the non-existent tear with his pinkie finger, and paused pregnantly to indulge the non-existent emotion.

Politics be damned!, he cried. Thank goodness he is the POTUS. Everything will change, and people will have hope again.

Anonymous zen0 December 14, 2012 9:12 PM  

Shutup, Tad.

Anonymous Tad December 14, 2012 9:14 PM  

@jartstar

The unborn have to do something to deserve attention and care, apparently. Odd that we do things like recommend prenatal vitamins as those unborn babies don't deserve squat.

I'm not sure what you mean that they don't "deserve squat". You aren't making sense.

Anonymous Walter Sobchack December 14, 2012 9:16 PM  

Shutup, Tad.

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