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Wednesday, December 12, 2012

It seems I was wrong

You don't have to buy the hardcover from Marcher Lord.  Apparently you can also purchase the hardcover from Amazon.  Or, for that matter, from Barnes & Noble. It seems the official page count turned out to be 854 pages, not 852.

I couldn't help but be a little amused by the first one-star review.  Reader Beware! "I was sorely disappointed to find profanity, and vulgarity and a few other things I found objectionable. If you are into Christian fiction, this is not the book for you."

The charge isn't entirely accurate, however.  While there is a fair amount of vulgarity, there is no profanity in the original Latin sense of the term.

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Anonymous Matt December 12, 2012 6:57 PM  

I was sorely disappointed to find profanity, and vulgarity and a few other things I found objectionable. If you are into Christian fiction, this is not the book for you.

The funny thing is the Bible itself fits this description, as it occasionally (though always with good reason) drives home a point with some pretty earthy language.

Anonymous kh123 December 12, 2012 7:06 PM  

You should've included coupons for Vic's Vaporub with every book purchase; quoted reviewer could at least faint with clearer sinuses.

Anonymous Kyle In Japan December 12, 2012 7:10 PM  

AToB isn't exactly marketed as a "Christian" novel, so I don't see what the problem here is. Plus there's a warning on the ML website and all. I think this reviewer can be justifiably scolded for not doing her research.

Anonymous Josh December 12, 2012 7:13 PM  

Was the reviewer female?

Anonymous Daniel December 12, 2012 7:13 PM  

That must have just converted today. I checked for it earlier, and could only find the hardcover at MLP.

Sweet.

What a stupid objection. The blasted title is vulgar. Did he also object to 50 Shades of Grey because it had spelling errors?

Anonymous the bandit December 12, 2012 7:18 PM  

"a few other things"

Elves, the use of magic, and demonic ritual summonings, I reckon...

Anonymous bw December 12, 2012 7:41 PM  

there is no profanity in the original Latin sense of the term.

Sweet! A Churchian Review! Next they're going to sacrifice Christ again.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 12, 2012 7:44 PM  

The funny thing is the Bible itself fits this description, as it occasionally (though always with good reason) drives home a point with some pretty earthy language.

It's not the language you have to worry about, it's the subject matter. Adultery, betrayal, murder. Some very un-Christian themes. Do you realize there's an entire subplot in the Bible that involves killing Jesus? I mean, what kind of people would write that, anyway?

Anonymous vales3 December 12, 2012 7:51 PM  

Sigh. I checked Amazon first before I ordered from the Marcher Lords website. Oh well, I don't mind supporting directly through the publisher.

I am looking forward to reading A THRONE OF BONES. I can't wait for it's arrival.

Anonymous jack December 12, 2012 7:53 PM  

My gift books will come from ML. I like the idea of directly supporting the publisher. After all, its hard enough to find a reliable publisher these days.

Blogger Duke of Earl December 12, 2012 7:53 PM  

Given that Kindle for Android simply doesn't work, I was glad to get an epub.

Anonymous jack December 12, 2012 7:55 PM  

don't know about android. My kindle from ML worked just fine when sent to the Kindle itself. I read the whole thing using the Kindle for PC app from Amazon. The larger screen made life better...

Anonymous VD December 12, 2012 7:59 PM  

Given that Kindle for Android simply doesn't work, I was glad to get an epub.

It totally depends upon your Android device. I do most of my reading with Aldiko and epubs on my phone. But I personally checked out both the mobi and the epub on Android with a Nexus 7; the mobi on the Kindle Android app actually looked slightly better than the epub on the Aldiko Android app.

On the other hand, Top Eleven constantly crashes on my phone and doesn't work at all on the Nexus 7.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein December 12, 2012 8:33 PM  

Don't feel bad, Vox.

Once, I thought I was wrong, also.

I was mistaken.



* Ducks*

Anonymous Stickwick December 12, 2012 8:37 PM  

The female reviewer has an interesting notion of what necessarily constitutes "better literature." Unfortunately, this notion of better entertainment -- and especially anything deemed Christian-appropriate -- as having to be bright, sentimental, and squeaky-clean is oddly common with a lot of Christians I know. It's as though they've never actually read the Bible cover-to-cover. Even the works of Lewis and Tolkien have their dark elements.

Anonymous aviendha December 12, 2012 8:54 PM  

At least it wasn't discounted 15$ on amazon for the hardcover :).

Anonymous zt December 12, 2012 8:59 PM  

You should have stuck with "sons of vipers", "dogs", and "swine". Granted I WI.set if the person had used the word "damn" before? Wishing damnation on someone or something is essentially asking for God to utterly destroy something, yet I hear it come out of more Christians mouths with out even a blink from fellow Christians.

Anonymous WaterBoy December 12, 2012 9:17 PM  

Interesting that Ms. Sullivan finds AToB to be worthy of only one star because she found "profanity, and vulgarity and a few other things I found objectionable" therein -- yet gave five stars to the Dragonriders of Pern, what with all its ritualistic sex and rape and stuff....

Anonymous zen0 December 12, 2012 9:20 PM  

There is a passage in prophesy, I believe, where God compares Israel to a menstruating whore who uses idols as dildos. Its awfully judgemental!

Damned if I can find it now when I need it.

Ooops! I mean, darned if I can find it now.

There, that's better.

Anonymous Rantor December 12, 2012 9:30 PM  

I responded to her comments, and deemed her review unmutual. She missed the point due to some idea of a sterile world in which the bad guys and even the soldiers behave primly. Whatever.

It's like North Korea launching a missile, little more than a gnat on an elephant's posterior (no vulgarities please)

Anonymous Kyle In Japan December 12, 2012 9:43 PM  

How about that episode where the Levite cuts his whore into twelve pieces and mails her chunks throughout Israel? Or where Lot's daughters commit incest with him? The Bible is definitely not G-rated.

Anonymous nicholas December 12, 2012 11:01 PM  

Out out curiosity, is there any reason to buy from Marcher vs Amazon or BN? For example, is it better for you or for Marcher, or does it send any kind of signal of approval of their support for a new author?

Anonymous Mudz December 12, 2012 11:04 PM  

It definitely throws you a little when you first read the Old Testament, and realise it isn't about the magic of Christmas.

Anonymous Vidad December 12, 2012 11:55 PM  

Don't be too hard on the one-star wonder.

The poor reviewer's virgin bosom was probably fondled after she secretly lusted after the Assyrians with their dongs like donkeys and their emissions like those of horses. Once you get dung smeared on your face and expose your nakedness under every spreading tree - then start trying to get back on track - every mention of a "throne of bones" reminds you of those ill-fated college orgies...



Anonymous Vidad December 12, 2012 11:56 PM  

By the way, I think I'm going to post a review stating that "every reader who pisseth against Day's wall shall be cut off."

Anonymous Freddy December 13, 2012 12:24 AM  

You'll find it Zeno...it's there.

The bride of Christ is portrayed as an unfaithful spouse...so prone to wander.

Very God of very God, weds himself to unfaithful men and women.

Oh, what a Savior!

Anonymous The Big Chill sucks December 13, 2012 12:42 AM  

"Unfortunately, this notion of better entertainment -- and especially anything deemed Christian-appropriate -- as having to be bright, sentimental, and squeaky-clean is oddly common with a lot of Christians I know. It's as though they've never actually read the Bible cover-to-cover. Even the works of Lewis and Tolkien have their dark elements."

Dalrock to the rescue!

Blogger Shimshon December 13, 2012 1:40 AM  

I wanted to buy the hardcover and I have a credit at Amazon, so I'm happy. My kids love fantasy and are voracious readers. This might set them back a few days.

Anonymous VD December 13, 2012 3:06 AM  

Out out curiosity, is there any reason to buy from Marcher vs Amazon or BN?

Yes, but the advantages balance out to some extent. On the one hand, Marcher and I make a bit more money from a direct sale. On the other, every sale at Amazon moves it up the sales rankings, which increases its exposure at Amazon. So, buying from Amazon is probably best, especially if you review it there as a confirmed purchaser or whatever they call it.

But taking the reviews into account, I suspect the most effective thing one could do would be to buy from Marcher Lord and post reviews at both places. Then tell a friend who likes George Martin about it....

Anonymous VryeDenker December 13, 2012 3:07 AM  

I wonder if the reviewer had ever actually read the Bible. Take for example Ezekiel 23:19-21

"(19)Yet she increased her whoring, remembering the days of her youth, when she played the whore in the land of Egypt (20)and lusted after her paramours there, whose members were like those of donkeys, and whose issue was like that of horses. (21)Thus you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when the Egyptians handled your bosom and pressed your young breasts.”

Anonymous Nony December 13, 2012 3:50 AM  

Off topic but I was wondering if you have any comments on Bruce Charlton's latest post about weightlifting being a sin? I only ask because I know you are both a weightlifter and a Christian.

http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/weight-training-and-christianity.html

Blogger Duke of Earl December 13, 2012 6:47 AM  

Okay, I've finished and to be honest I wish it had been twice as long. You do a good job of story telling Vox.

I do hope that Corvus isn't permanently dead though. I like him.

Now I have to wait two years for the next installment. :-(

Blogger Desert Cat December 13, 2012 9:52 AM  

"It seems I was wrong"

NO! Say it isn't so! Your sycophantic echo-chamber REQUIRES you to be right at all times!

What, oh what will the Dread Ilk do if our Dear Leader cannot tell us what to think?

**munches carrots furiously**

Anonymous MendoScot December 13, 2012 10:29 AM  

This would have been OT if weren't for the donkey dick comments above.

In a contribution to vibrancy and a future Republican majority, Señor Romero is insisting on his Constitutional right to diddle Doodle:

"The personal morals of the majority, whether based on religion or traditions, cannot be used as a reason to deprive a person of their personal liberties," the attorneys wrote. "If the statute were to require sexual conduct with animals to be nonconsensual or to cause injury in order to be a crime, then perhaps the State would have a rational basis and legitimate state interest in enforcement."

NSFV (Not Safe For Valerie)

Blogger Nate December 13, 2012 10:38 AM  

More lodi.

I gotta have more Lodi.

Blogger Clint December 13, 2012 1:06 PM  

Well, I loved the book. Finished it yesterday. Just left a review at Amazon.

Anonymous Tom O. December 13, 2012 3:07 PM  

It's not because of Christianity that she dismisses Vox's book, it's because of Christianity + Victorianism.

With that being said, I don't think reading any kind of fantasy, be it `clean' or `vulgar' is Christian, since all fantastic art is mimesis: a representation of reality that is, by definition, not reality. The eye is the lamp of your body. So if a man sees what is true, his body shall be enlightened by the truth. But if a man sees what a distorted version of truth, then he will be enlightened by a distortion of truth.

Anonymous Anonymous December 13, 2012 4:41 PM  

When Light is removed, Darkness comes in as a flood. Even as we proudly flaunt our Christian Liberty, pagan America continues straight to Hell!

Anonymous Aeoli Pera December 13, 2012 9:25 PM  

Vox,

RMS gave the green light on a particular ebook publisher (http://stallman.org/non-oppressive-ebooks.html). I assume his criteria are at least as strict as yours.

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