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Saturday, December 08, 2012

Never go full retard

I have to seriously wonder about the sanity of anyone who is genuinely concerned about the world ending in 2012 due to the Mayan calendar.  Remember, we're talking about a people who were so collectively stupid that not a single one of them ever had the astonishingly brilliant idea of using the wheel to move things more easily from one place to another:
Ahead of December 21, which marks the conclusion of the 5,125-year "Long Count" Mayan calendar, panic buying of candles and essentials has been reported in China and Russia, along with an explosion in sales of survival shelters in America. In France believers were preparing to converge on a mountain where they believe aliens will rescue them. 
I'm assuming most of this is pure media look-at-the-loonies hype.  But not all of it is a media invention.  Now, I suppose it's not totally impossible that a group of people who spent centuries dragging heavy things from point A to point B because the concept of an "axle" was beyond every single one of them had some means of calculating the World Reboot, but I am a little dubious, to say the least.  I'm merely surprised the Mayan calendar didn't end in "fiver".

Meanwhile, secularists continue to scoff at the Bible even as the events predicted in it keep coming occurring, one after another.  I've observed the pattern over the course of my lifetime.  First they scoff.  "Europe will never be one kingdom."  "No one will ever buy things with a mark on their hands".  "There is no Israel".  "What government beheads anyone anymore?"  Then, when it comes to pass, they claim what was previously asserted to be impossible can't possibly have anything to do with what was very clearly laid out nearly two thousand years ago.

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Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein December 08, 2012 7:06 AM  

Uh oh!

So you are saying that maxing out all my lines of credit in a huge carpe deim orgy was a bad idea?

----The Government of the United States

Anonymous Johnny Caustic December 08, 2012 7:08 AM  

I don't expect the world to end, but I do find it interesting that December 21 is the date of the 2012 solar maximum. After that, some scientists suspect that the sun might go very quiet for quite a while, and perhaps the interstitial will end and the ice age might resume. Nobody's really sure whether this will happen, of course, but based on what I've read about solar cycles and their correlations to weather, it seems more plausible than that global warming will kill us all.

Anonymous OCS December 08, 2012 7:14 AM  

In France believers were preparing to converge on a mountain where they believe aliens will rescue them.

To be fair, aliens did help reelect the U.S. president.

Anonymous Tutal Xiu December 08, 2012 7:17 AM  

As our Great Founding Father Itzamna stated:

"Great Mayans think alike, yet fools seldom differ"

Anonymous Stilicho December 08, 2012 7:36 AM  

I've always assumed the Mayan calendar ended where it did because there was no more room on the rock for carving more years

Anonymous Otherwise Silent Observer December 08, 2012 7:41 AM  

Panic? I would welcome the end of the world at this point.

Blogger JD Curtis December 08, 2012 7:50 AM  

I heard an expert on Coast to Coast AM recently opine on thia topic. He stated the Mayan calender was of by 5 days (360 days per year to our 365) and thus 12/21/12 would be a highly inaccurate date. (If it's true at all)

Anonymous Krul December 08, 2012 7:53 AM  

Those Mayans were amazing prognisticators, to predict the end of the world to the day.

Odd how they failed to predict the collapse of their own civilization or the coming of the Conquistadors.

Anonymous Roundtine December 08, 2012 7:58 AM  

I don't expect the world to end, but I do find it interesting that December 21 is the date of the 2012 solar maximum.

People who couldn't figure out the wheel still managed to accurately track celestial cycles.

Anonymous Koanic December 08, 2012 8:03 AM  

South America might've had some sort of legends regarding the return of the white gods.

I don't think it's the predictive power of the brown Mayans that (smart) people worry about.

As someone else said, there are solar shenanigans afoot.

Anonymous Sam Scott December 08, 2012 8:03 AM  

Vox, just for the record -- the Antichrist in Revelations was/is Nero. :)

Anonymous Krul December 08, 2012 8:09 AM  

"No one will ever buy things with a mark on their hands".

Forgive my ignorance, but where is this done?

A post on the predictions of the Bible would be very interesting if you ever feel the inclination, VD. I would like to see the tracking and grading criteria you apply to your own predictions applied to the Bible.

For that matter, seeing those same criteria applied to any famous prophets, past or contemporary, would be fascinating and potentially useful.

Anonymous The Great Martini December 08, 2012 8:13 AM  

If you wait long enough, just about anything will eventually come to pass. What might actually count are specific predictions with a set deadline. For instance, didn't Jesus say that he'd be back before the lives of some listening to him passed? That's an example of testable prediction. The very reason people scoff at specific prediction with actual deadlines is because we've come to realize how many of them come and go without confirmation.

About wheel/axle vs. drag line. Yes, you are correct that wheel and axle is superior in many ways, but there are a number of things that condition that superiority. Wheel/axle has a much smaller coefficient of friction, meaning that in absolute terms it is far more efficient. However, it also require sufficiently refined technology (mechanical and material) to actually implement the wheel and axle and also requires suitable roadways. It's also not apparent how much more effective it would be without domesticated animals strong enough to pull loads. The horse was not introduced to the New World until after the fall of the Mayan empire. When all you have is human pulling power, there is no clear advantage to wheel/axle over skid locomotion. Even the Egyptians only utilized skids, with perhaps logs beneath to lower friction, to move stone while building the pyramids. These are just a few things suggesting that perhaps wheel and axle might not have been as useful to the Mayans as one might at first think.

Anonymous Salt December 08, 2012 8:24 AM  

I read that the I-Ching was graphed out and constitutes sections of 64 within 64 etc, or something to that effect. From its start date it too ends on Dec. 21, 2012.

I also note the various current ebb and flows of markers which will constitute history. Both the I-Ching and Mayan calendar are interesting when graphed against past history.

There is also the prophecies of Saint Malachy concerning the last Pope, Petrus Romanus. This Pope follows Benedict.

Over Thanksgiving one of my friends remarked that a few years ago she had a conversation with one connected to a government sponsored event which, in my view if taken as she stated, had its origin in The Philadelphia Experiment. In short, the government found it could travel, in some form, forward in time. In the testing of this it was found that travel past 2017 could not be done, as there was nothing there to travel to. (This might be up Dread's alley)

I simply note all this in passing.

Blogger WarriorClass December 08, 2012 8:25 AM  

It may not be the end of the world, but America is toast. It has been taken over by an illegitimate government that arbitrarily enforces laws against one group, us, and not another, the oligarchy (i.e. Corzine), wants to force us to pay for the murder of unborn children and support sodomite marriage and unconstitutional wars, while violating every part of the constitution at will.

To pay taxes to this anti-Christ government is to be complicit with it, and suffer it's fate in hell. This is deadly serious.

If you pay taxes, you are guilty.

Anonymous Kyle In Japan December 08, 2012 8:28 AM  

" For instance, didn't Jesus say that he'd be back before the lives of some listening to him passed?"

Not quite. In Matt. 24.30, "the Son of Man coming on the clouds" is an allusion to God's impending judgment of Israel, not Christ's second coming. This seems confusing until you see that in Isaiah and several other passages, God's judgment on disobedient countries (Egypt in Is. 19, can't remember the other exact instances off the top of my head) is phrased as God coming on the clouds. Jesus' listeners would have not only recognized this allusion, they would likely have been offended by Jesus placing their Israel in the same category as ruined pagan empires, and Jesus' implicit claim to be acting on God's behalf. This is just one more reason why understanding the context is vital to making sense of passages like this.

However, your point still stands; the Olivet Discourse is a good example of a prophecy with a time limit that did, in fact, happen within a lifetime (a little under forty years) after Jesus predicted the doom of Jerusalem.

Blogger WarriorClass December 08, 2012 8:30 AM  

Salt, the 2017 date may well be correct:

http://119ministries.com/daniel-unsealed

Anonymous jack December 08, 2012 8:43 AM  

To be fair, aliens did help reelect the U.S. president.

I think he may be an alien himself. Now, not to be too argumentative, the Mayans did produce one of the most accurate calendars ever invented. There are some that believe that the length of our planet's year used to be 360 days and some event slowed the rotation. Could be that this calendar was done before the slowing?
Looking at the huge weights of stones moved and put in place [see Puma Punca in South America] it becomes obvious that the builders used some sort of heavy lift system that did not involve wheels, pulleys, ropes, or animals. What? who knows; refined sound waves, some form of gravity cancelling, mind magic? The jungles of central America are not conducive to the wheel. Near the end of their civilization they appear to have become psychotic. Psychotic folk do strange stuff, like drink the spiked koolaide. Maybe thats how they went elsewhere.

We are obviously near to some world changes that may have nothing to do with earth changes. Its no surprise to those here that America, for one, is on the verge of full dictatorship. I would not presume to count out the Maya of old, or at least their teachers, alien or other wise when it comes to changes.

And, then, did not Revelations predict major world changes about this time? At least it was predictive based on certain 'signs of the times' as I understand it all. And, these signs of these times leave me scared almost crapless. So, while I think I will wake up on the 22nd. and go pay bills, let out the chickens to the yard, and eat breakfast, I have no intention of be belittling a people that either build what they did in central America or helped with the building. Modern arrogance alone might call for some kind of slap in the face. I just hope its not civilization ending.

Anonymous Koanic December 08, 2012 8:51 AM  

"we're talking about a people who were so collectively stupid that not a single one of them ever had the astonishingly brilliant idea of using the wheel to move things more easily from one place to another:"

That's not true.

There are jumbo-skulled South American mummies with IQs ranging from 250 - 480.

Anonymous Koanic December 08, 2012 8:53 AM  

"Psychotic folk do strange stuff, like drink the spiked koolaide."

Ayahuasca, more like. Meet some interesting folks there, by all accounts.

Anonymous Having fun December 08, 2012 9:00 AM  

"There are jumbo-skulled South American mummies with IQs ranging from 250 - 480."

Indiana Jones is that you?

Even if their skull housed an IQ of that level (which would still be sub-retard compared to my IQ :) wouldn't they still have invented the wheel among other basic engineering?

Anonymous ODG December 08, 2012 9:03 AM  

Don't confuse buying to prepare for the collapse of America with panic buying for the end of the world. The re-election of Obama has crystallized in peoples' minds the fact that they are totally on their own.

Also, no one knows the hour or the day, not even the Son. Only the Father knows, and he isn't Mayan

Anonymous Koanic December 08, 2012 9:08 AM  

They did invent the wheel, dummy. As to what engineering they had, it was enough for megalithic structures, which is the most impressive engineering feat in the ancient world. It's not as if their wooden and rope tools would've survived for our examination.

But why engineer carts when you have slaves to carry your palanquin? Riddle of steel, Conan.

Anonymous Anonymous December 08, 2012 9:13 AM  

koanic, they did not need the wheel. they had days of light gravity.

Anonymous Having fun December 08, 2012 9:14 AM  

"But why engineer carts when you have slaves to carry your palanquin? Riddle of steel, Conan."

Yeah, why do that it's so much more "efficient". /s

Anonymous Koa December 08, 2012 9:15 AM  

"There are jumbo-skulled South American mummies with IQs ranging from 250 - 480."


How exactly was the IQs of mummies determined?

Anonymous Roundtine December 08, 2012 9:16 AM  

And don't forget, the Greeks invented homos.

Anonymous Josh December 08, 2012 9:29 AM  

As to what engineering they had, it was enough for megalithic structures, which is the most impressive engineering feat in the ancient world.

At the same time the Mayans were building those, the Egyptian pyramids had been around for several thousand years. And the Egyptian pyramids are much more impressive. Also look at the engineering feats of the Greeks and the Romans.

Anonymous DT December 08, 2012 9:33 AM  

In short, the government found it could travel, in some form, forward in time. In the testing of this it was found that travel past 2017 could not be done, as there was nothing there to travel to.

Just after the end of Obama's second term...yep, sounds about right.

Anonymous TheExpat December 08, 2012 9:33 AM  

Even the Egyptians only utilized skids, with perhaps logs beneath to lower friction, to move stone while building the pyramids.

That's not true.

Anonymous Koanic December 08, 2012 9:33 AM  

Extrapolating average racial IQ and brain cc sizes.

Efficiently utilizing output is not the goal when managing a huge dumb slave nation with a tiny intelligent elite. Managing discontent by keeping them occupied is. Leisure time is counterproductive.

Anonymous Koanic December 08, 2012 9:40 AM  

I didn't mean to compare the Romans to the Egypt et al megalithic super-ancient civilizations in their building phases. Roman and Greek for the most part represent a post- jumbo-skull building phase.

As to dating one structure versus another, I don't think we know for sure, but Egypt is older than consensus I agree. Then again megalithic construction there is maybe easier.

Nice link expat.

Anonymous Having fun December 08, 2012 9:45 AM  

"Then again megalithic construction there is maybe easier."

Yes, because dragging things through sand is so much easier. /s

Anonymous Susan December 08, 2012 9:47 AM  

Personally, I thought the speech by the Ozzie Prime Minister in response to all the Mayan craziness was most amusing. She has a nice sense of humor.

Her behaviour explains a lot to me about the ilk's own JamieR.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein December 08, 2012 9:48 AM  


But why engineer carts when you have slaves to carry your palanquin? Riddle of steel, Conan.


Steel wheels.

Rolling Stones.

Contemplate this on the tree of woe.

That is strength, boy. That is power.....

Anonymous Kickass December 08, 2012 9:52 AM  

Not for nothing, the Mayans did some amazing astronomy. And there were predictions of White Gods.

Sam Scott, Nero is not THE anti-christ. And something to remember is that in the same book Jesus says that if not for Him keeping the Elect even they would be deceived by the coming anti-christ. So clearly, there will be some serious decpetion afoot.

Last, Vox why do you completely discount Giants and magic here? Wheels are for plebians.

Anonymous Koanic December 08, 2012 9:55 AM  

Having fun being an idiot doesn't get the convenience of the quarry stone highway function of the Nile in flat Egypt as opposed to say, building on a mountain.

I'm beginning to wonder if he actually is reading the links and is just that brain dead.

Anonymous Kickass December 08, 2012 9:56 AM  

Oh, and last last, the Mayan calendar doesn't "end". Every documentary that shows the piece they are talking about is broken. The part that says what happens next is missing. Not the same as saying the world is going to "end".


Of course, since a bunch of other people think it will end, this should be interesting times. Sigh.

Vox is right on this one thing though, and I say it all the time. The same people freaking out about this are the same people that will do anything and everything to not look at the Bible.

Any chance we can get a Bigfoot thread going in light of the recent news that bigfoot is confirmed as a cross breed between a humanoid female and a male of unknown species?

Also, anyone who wants to futher their education regarding the whole races thing..where would I go for good information on it?

Thanks.

Anonymous Godfrey December 08, 2012 9:56 AM  

The Mayans lacked the intelligence to develop the wheel, but were they stupid enough to develop fiat currency?

Anonymous Outlaw X December 08, 2012 10:07 AM  

The greater possibility is that TPTB will pull a false flag using the hype to get people to look at the prophecy and not them. Perfect oppertunity.

Anonymous map December 08, 2012 10:10 AM  

The Great Martini -

"When all you have is human pulling power, there is no clear advantage to wheel/axle over skid locomotion. Even the Egyptians only utilized skids, with perhaps logs beneath to lower friction, to move stone while building the pyramids. These are just a few things suggesting that perhaps wheel and axle might not have been as useful to the Mayans as one might at first think."

WHAT???

So you're saying that a wheelbarrow is just as useful as a skid for hauling?

Anonymous zen0 December 08, 2012 10:10 AM  

@ Sam Scott
Vox, just for the record -- the Antichrist in Revelations was/is Nero. :)

The same Nero who converted to Judaism and from whom Rabbi Meir was descended . :(

Anonymous Having fun 1.5 December 08, 2012 10:13 AM  

"I'm beginning to wonder if he actually is reading the links and is just that brain dead."

Wonder no more, I didn't read them as I'm not that emotionally invested in conjectures you on the other hand...

Anonymous Koanic December 08, 2012 10:20 AM  

That's alright. I'll treasure your "dragging through sand" comment as the hallmark of your impoverished imagination and mental faculties.

Anonymous Curlytop December 08, 2012 10:27 AM  

All the Mayans have stated is that it's the end of an AGE. Not the world. Not exactly profound by any means. Just preparing for the inevitable justifications of why said doom does not occur and why we should prepare for the next random date. Got to keep the populace properly fed on the bread and circus.

The most plausible scenario is seeing some government try to use this manufactured media attention and stage something to deflect from their own debauchery, dirty deeds.

"Explosion of survival shelters in America." Yeah, bc there's absolutely no possibility that the explosion is due to observing the more legitimate doom lurking in the New Year regarding the American Corpse as it spirals to the ground from that cannon blast back in November?

Anonymous Curlytop December 08, 2012 10:30 AM  

OutlawX:
Totally missed your post when I was composing mine. :-)

Anonymous Stilicho December 08, 2012 10:30 AM  

How exactly was the IQs of mummies determined?

By using the Stanford-Mummet test of course.

Blogger James Dixon December 08, 2012 10:50 AM  

> Vox, just for the record -- the Antichrist in Revelations was/is Nero. :)

That's one proposed interpretation of the text, yes. It's not the only one.

> The horse was not introduced to the New World until after the fall of the Mayan empire.

The horse was reintroduced, not introduced. Unless the interpretations of the fossil record have changed since my high school years (always a possibility), it's accepted that there were horses in the new world but that they went extinct.

Anonymous Cryan Ryan December 08, 2012 10:51 AM  

"Remember, we're talking about a people who were so collectively stupid that not a single one of them ever had the astonishingly brilliant idea of using the wheel to move things more easily from one place to another:"

And they made no connection between sex and having kids. And they sacrificed their most attractive young virgins - leaving the trolls to produce the new generations.

Now we've doubled down on their stupidity by allowing mass immigration of these non-reading, non-thinking, lower life forms, breaking up their families, paying their little sawed-off women to stay single and reproduce, and we ALLOW THEM TO VOTE.

Are we smarter? I don't see the brilliance of our actions.

Anonymous Apeman December 08, 2012 10:55 AM  

Vox is being very unfair to the Mayans. The idea that Mayans were to stupid to invent the wheel is a very dubious proposition. We know for sure they knew how to make wheels because they put them on their toys. We have no proof that they used them for other things, but that is not the same thing as saying that they did not. Truth be told, nobody knows very much about the Mayans at all and anyone who tries to tell you differently is lying.

By the same token, I have never understood why people think that the Mayans thought the world was going to end in 2012. There seems to be no evidence for that expect for the fact that they ended their astronomical projections at that point. What were they suppose to do; make an infinite projection?

It is a little like arguing that programers in the 60s thought that the world was going to end in the year 2000 just because they only used a two digit date code.

Anonymous paradox December 08, 2012 11:12 AM  

Well secularist are going to save us from the 2012 end. This guy is going to jump off Bell Rock so the operating system to sim-Universe doesn't crash.

Anonymous Project Blue Beam December 08, 2012 11:14 AM  

"No one will ever buy things with a mark on their hands".

Forgive my ignorance, but where is this done?


Discover is working on paying with your thumb.

Anonymous zen0 December 08, 2012 11:14 AM  

@ Curlytop All the Mayans have stated is that it's the end of an AGE. Not the world. Not exactly profound by any means.

Good Point. Just like the Rapture theories expect an end to the world when the Bible indicates an end of an Age.

Anonymous Anonymous December 08, 2012 11:53 AM  

Any chance we can get a Bigfoot thread going in light of the recent news that bigfoot is confirmed as a cross breed between a humanoid female and a male of unknown species?

Everyone knows that the Mayans used Bigfoot labor to build their pyramids. It's common knowledge...

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 08, 2012 12:15 PM  

"And they sacrificed their most attractive young virgins - leaving the trolls to produce the new generations."

Hey, that sounds a lot like us. Except that we sacrifice our virgins to Barnard College and graduate school, instead of the volcano god. End result same, though.


Anonymous E. PERLINE December 08, 2012 12:23 PM  

The Mayan brain was already developed in that late age, but it was distorted by superstition and lacked knowledge of important basics such as the wheel.

The Egyptian strongman Kufu ordered generations of subjects to shorten their already short lives by building his ridiculous tomb with no regard for expense.

A pride of lions is programmed to obey the top male, but real wisdom must be passed down from the older to the newer generations.

We are still hide-bound by old deceptions and rites, and even our "futuristic" stories depict them.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein December 08, 2012 12:41 PM  

Any chance we can get a Bigfoot thread going in light of the recent news that bigfoot is confirmed as a cross breed between a humanoid female and a male of unknown species?

Source?



Better yet...


Missing link.


(Please tip the waitstaff. I'll be here through the weekend.)

Blogger IM2L844 December 08, 2012 1:26 PM  

Hey, that sounds a lot like us. Except that we sacrifice our virgins to Barnard College and graduate school, instead of the volcano god. End result same, though.

I thought high school age virgins, especially those inclined toward liberal arts, were extinct.

Anonymous VryeDenker December 08, 2012 1:35 PM  

I can't believe none of you free-market supporters have started selling canned goods to these loonies yet.

Anonymous Holla December 08, 2012 1:37 PM  

Wait... You believe we're in the end times, Vox?

When will you use your famous and infallible prediction skills to name a date?

Are you the new Harold Camping?

Anonymous Aeoli Pera December 08, 2012 1:52 PM  

I freakin' love this place.

It's pretty easy to see that we're in the transition from one age to another. 12-21 was a pretty good estimate, regardless of who came up with it.

And the Bible isn't exactly silent on the question of who's a real prophet and who's a false prophet.

Blogger IM2L844 December 08, 2012 1:57 PM  

Hey, wait a minute. The Mayan calendar is a wheel!

Blogger Lud VanB December 08, 2012 1:57 PM  

when exactly did europe become ONE KINGdom?

Anonymous RINO December 08, 2012 2:07 PM  

There are jumbo-skulled South American mummies with IQs ranging from 250 - 480.

That isn't true.

Anonymous Anonymous December 08, 2012 3:07 PM  

Rino,
Maybe that comment-maker was thinking of Africa...

Anonymous Cheddarman December 08, 2012 3:07 PM  

Bout that Mayan calendar ending, as they were proto-mexicans of a sort, i figure they just said "manyana" and never got around to writing down more dates

sincrely

cheddarman

Blogger Desert Cat December 08, 2012 3:11 PM  

VryeDenker December 08, 2012 1:35 PM

I can't believe none of you free-market supporters have started selling canned goods to these loonies yet.


Ahem.

Anonymous Cheddarman December 08, 2012 3:12 PM  

Bout those big skulled mummies Koanic talks about, and are often found in association with megalithic sites in ancient Egypt (ruling class) Island of Malta, and South America...the Bible says that angelic beings had sexual relations with human women, and gave rise to the Nephilim...it would not surprise me if these Nephilim were the architects/engineers/builders of the ancient megalithic structures that were built, and show evidence of very advanced building and engineering techniques...

please dont insult your own intellect by suggesting they were built by people with stone axes and rope

Sincerely

Cheddarman

Anonymous Harrison1932 December 08, 2012 3:27 PM  

They did have wheels on toys..Remember though, they didn't have beasts of burden like horses, mules, camels, oxen...etc. without the animal power wheels would have been of limited benefit unless you went with people pulling the vehicles [i.e. rickshaws]

Anonymous Outlaw X December 08, 2012 3:36 PM  

Vox, just for the record -- the Antichrist in Revelations was/is Nero. :)

Nero was an Antichrist, and there are many. PZ Meyer's is an Antichrist. None of them are "The" Antichrist.

Blogger ajw308 December 08, 2012 3:37 PM  

As I understand it, they just predicted the end of an age. Read into that what you will.

As for the date, at what point does it become moot to make a long calender? They had to stop somewhere. I'm sure from their point of view, a few thousand years into the future was as good a place to stop as any.

Anonymous Jake December 08, 2012 3:39 PM  

I always figured the lack of wheels thing (if true) was simply a consequence of the terrain in question. On flat or gently sloping ground a wheeled vehicle is great, on the side of a mountain it's quite a liability.

I also seem to recall reading that the people sacrificed were members of conquered rival tribes/civilizations, not Mayans. These captured people were forced to offer up their best as something like a tribute, which would make a lot more sense for the Mayans than sacrificing their own.

But I could be getting my ancient Central American civilizations confused...

Anonymous RINO December 08, 2012 3:42 PM  

please dont insult your own intellect by suggesting they were built by people with stone axes and rope

I agree. Depending on which situations you're talking about they also had water travel assistance, log rollers, animals, and more.

Anonymous Harrison1932 December 08, 2012 3:45 PM  

The Maya and the Aztecs sacrificed war captives...the Aztecs sacrificed captured Spanish soldiers in full view of the conquistadors during the conquest.

Anonymous Outlaw X December 08, 2012 3:52 PM  

I agree. Depending on which situations you're talking about they also had water travel assistance, log rollers, animals, and more.

I've seen all the theories, but no one knows. From sound vibration causing anti-gravity to slopes, water,levers and logs. They had a lot of time on their hand anyway you look at it that is what amazes me, not how but why and how did they find the time.

Surviving without modern fuel and machinery is the real quandary. To waste that much time on building a big rock structure makes no sense.

Anonymous RINO December 08, 2012 3:56 PM  

Surviving without modern fuel and machinery is the real quandary. To waste that much time on building a big rock structure makes no sense.

Without modern hedges against nature there is all the more reason to build large structures to honor the Gods and/or their chosen Kings so that you aren't punished.

Having the time isn't really an issue. Once basic agriculture comes in you work very hard but very abruptly during planting season and picking season but what about the times in between?

Anonymous Elmer Fudge (friend of Sexual Chocolate) December 08, 2012 4:06 PM  

The calendar may be off by two years. Something did happen on Decemeber 21, 2010. However, the U.S. Dollar bill does point to the year 2012, from the point of the year 1776. Not the founding of the United States, rather the recognized date of some of -- the Illuminati...

This is a complicated subject. Answers cannot be provided in a soundbite, or even a finely crafted paragraph...

What do the Mayan prophecies, the Aztec Calendar Stone, the symbols on America's Great Seal and the U.S. Capitol Building all have in common? Will the first Antichrist rise again? Will ancient Babylon once again become a prominent player in the Last Days? Will America be the catalyst through which both return? Why do the actions of our presidents, the iconography on the back of the U.S. one dollar bill, and the monuments of Washington, D.C. all seem to indicate that it will be?

Dear people, get to know Rob Skiba

Babylon Rising and SEED

Oh, Skiba thinks he knows who the Son of Perdition is. And, it was not Nero, Hitler, or even Barry. He roamed the earth once before. He will roam it once more. He was/is a -- Giborum, and he will rise from "the bottomless pit" (the abyss)...

Anonymous Outlaw X December 08, 2012 4:19 PM  

Having the time isn't really an issue. Once basic agriculture comes in you work very hard but very abruptly during planting season and picking season but what about the times in between?

There is no rest for the farmer, coming from a farming family. When the winter comes you are readying everything for the spring. However, I live in Texas, not Egypt or South America.

Anonymous RINO December 08, 2012 4:30 PM  

There is no rest for the farmer, coming from a farming family. When the winter comes you are readying everything for the spring. However, I live in Texas, not Egypt or South America.

The Nile did a lot of the work for them.

Anonymous Outlaw X December 08, 2012 4:40 PM  

The Nile did a lot of the work for them.

Did the Nile prune the vineyard and fruit trees or feed the animals? Did the Nile weed the fields during the growing season?

The biggest mystery to me was time to do it, don't know and don't claim to know.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza December 08, 2012 4:43 PM  

(Forgive me in advance. I was subjected to 2 hours of NBC's horrid SNL Christmas skits last night along with hours of Nostradamus and all that jazz. The next morning I was again subjected to Cspan's wash journal promoting the CDC's obsession with vaccinations. I am ready to throw the tv's out the damn window.)

Where do I begin?

By last year I already had 2012 election fatigue. Also last year I was tired of hearing about how global warming and the end of the world is going to collide this month.

I am royally fed up with the fear mongering, absurd (but well meaning) preppers incorporating 12-21 into their talking points. I was already fed up with the y2k fiasco by 1999.

Instead of preppers concerning themselves with not advertising they are pepping for their own safety, protection, supplies of their families when we all live through 12-21.

Were not the Mayans in human sacrifice? How am I supposed to take these people seriously? Along with debt/fiscal cliff talk, politics fatigue I am also tired of all the Nostradamus, solar flares, hacked drones gunning everyone down, mayan talk and ancient aliens aside, I say nothing is going to happen...

Just as I said nothing was going to happen when that FL pastor or whatever pastor said that everyone would be called to heaven on some certain date. Date setting is just as annoying as their irrational bible thumping.

Note: I am not calling anyone of the past stupid, reactionary or untalented for their prognostications.

Perhaps, each prognosticator hit on some good points and possible events. For me, its complete fatigue of all these diversions and bulls--t. I feel sorry for the bible thumpers who truly have, perhaps, by error, twisted the bible to line their pockets or cause confusion among the body of Christ. And yet, these same fine Christian people fail, FAIL to have a proper adult discussion of ROMANS 12 and 13. Meanwhile, the new ager boomers and/or secularist manage to deny the bible at every turn yet believe in every jot and tittle from the mayans (while complaining about immigration.)

Anyways, the great new is that smith and wesson is doing GREAT.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza December 08, 2012 4:44 PM  

Edit: Were not the Mayans INTO human sacrifice?

Blogger LP 999/Eliza December 08, 2012 4:45 PM  

Oh heck, I just went into full moron mode, sorry everyone.

Anonymous Johnycomelately December 08, 2012 4:55 PM  

But, but it was on the History channel, surely it must be true.....

Blogger Rantor December 08, 2012 5:18 PM  

I recommend everyone read Throne of Bones and stop watching television and listening to radio. If you must work around the house listen to music, Christmas, classical, whatever. Escape the fallen evil world and enjoy the advent of Christ's birth.

With love, Rantor

Anonymous Kickass December 08, 2012 5:28 PM  

Rantor, you do realize xmas has nothing to do with The Jesus The Christ of the Bible, right? It is the celebration of the god Saturn and has been around for thousands of years.

Anonymous Kickass December 08, 2012 5:35 PM  

TBS, no tip for you. Drudge and dailymail had it all last week. Google. Five year project is done and that is the conclusion.

Blogger Rantor December 08, 2012 5:39 PM  

Kickass,

The masses may celebrate Saturnalia or what they will. We can celebrate and worship Christ. Publicly, provocatively, sincerely. It matters not that it is a made up season with dubious roots. Christmas is what you make of it. I make mine a celebration of the Immaculate One, Jesus Christ Lord of All.

Anonymous Azimus December 08, 2012 5:41 PM  

From my reading of the book 1491, admittedly a few years ago now, the Mayan calendar was a cyclical calendar, as ours is for the first two tiera (day and month). However the Mayan calendar had several more layers than our calendar of 4 layers (day, month, year, AD/BC), I think it was 6 layers, all of which had a cyclical nature. To say, then, that their calendar "stops" is not accurate. December 21 is the "midnight" of the 6th layer, and by the author's explanation this is when the world changes forever in a significant way... Or the end of the age.


That said, they missed the whole "our civilization disintegrates" thing, the conquistador thing, etc, etc.


Anonymous DonReynolds December 08, 2012 5:41 PM  

For reasons I cannot imagine, the Mayans and other tribes understood the use of the wheel, since they had wheels on toys (!) but never made the leap to the adult world. I dunno, maybe they thought only sissies would use wheels or only little kids use wheels. It escapes me too, but we have similar disconnects in our own society, which I am sure those here can list without end.

Suffice to say, a disproportionate number of those who are preparing for December 21 End of the World are probably also Obama fanatics too. Clearly, democracy does not work and never has because too many of our fellow citizens are disconnected loonies and decide the outcome of elections.

Anonymous Koanic December 08, 2012 5:42 PM  

The members of an ancient forerunner race, with massive IQ's, presiding in a tiny elite over slave civilizations, tripping out on Ayahuasca talking to deities and offering up human sacrifice by the ton, passing down who knows how old lore, might have access to privileged info. Or not.

It's at least plausible that periodic catastrophe taught them to watch the skies.

Anonymous Koanic December 08, 2012 5:45 PM  

The mayans didn't disappear with the conquistadors, as anyone familiar with South American politics would know. The civilization did, but its genetic rulers were already long gone. Why would the fate of the slave remnant matter to the original predictors?

As for failure to advance, we see the same technological advanced sluggishness in the Chinese, whose centralized system likewise had no need for innovation.

Anonymous kh123 December 08, 2012 6:31 PM  

"without the animal power wheels would have been of limited benefit unless you went with people pulling the vehicles [i.e. rickshaws]"

Seeing as they had as much slave labor as readily available as they did, I don't see why they wouldn't be using, as the Russians used to call it, "a temporary replacement for a workhorse" - which is to say "permanent replacement for a beast of burden". At least two canals and innumerable mining operations were done with comparable technology.

Anonymous Idle Spectator December 08, 2012 6:54 PM  

South America might've had some sort of legends regarding the return of the white gods.

I don't think it's the predictive power of the brown Mayans that (smart) people worry about.


I've heard stuff about that too. Who knows where it came from. Maybe they just guessed. It happens.


Any chance we can get a Bigfoot thread going in light of the recent news that bigfoot is confirmed as a cross breed between a humanoid female and a male of unknown species?

Ok, who fucked the monkey? Was she overcome with lust? Reminds me of where they think AIDS came from: either eating bushmeat, or someone fucked a monkey. It's like the Chupacabra story down in Mexico. They say now it's a cross-bred of something, or dogs with afflicted with mange that are mistaken for something else. Makes sense from a zoological perspective. I'm sure there are tons of those examples out there.


They did have wheels on toys..Remember though, they didn't have beasts of burden like horses, mules, camels, oxen...etc. without the animal power wheels would have been of limited benefit unless you went with people pulling the vehicles [i.e. rickshaws]

EX-ACTLY! Using the lack of wheels as a sign of Mayan idiocy is pure idiocy. For instance, Tibetans DID have things like horses and oxen, and still avoided using wheels due to the rough terrain on the Tibetan Plateau.


The Maya and the Aztecs sacrificed war captives...the Aztecs sacrificed captured Spanish soldiers in full view of the conquistadors during the conquest.

The Aztecs, Mayans, and Inca all practiced human sacrifice. The Aztecs were just the worst about it. They took it too ridiculous levels due to their religion defining blood as "precious water" needed to be spilled to keep the Cosmos running.


The members of an ancient forerunner race, with massive IQ's, presiding in a tiny elite over slave civilizations, tripping out on Ayahuasca talking to deities and offering up human sacrifice by the ton, passing down who knows how old lore, might have access to privileged info. Or not.

This isn't crazy at all, even though it looks like it at first glance to someone reading.

You can see the exact same thing in modern day India with the Brahmin elites heading up the Hindu priesthood. They also dominate the country. Selective breeding over generations would develop a leadership caste. Like European royalty.

But the crystal skulls from Indiana Jones someone mentioned are a complete hoax. They did material analysis on them and said they were made around the 1940s due to the cutting tools used. They do look fabulous though. I was SO hoping they were real, but alas, they are not...

Anonymous Rod Freeman December 08, 2012 6:57 PM  

I'd be willing to be that Scientism has a worse track record of failed EOTW predictions than religious fringe nutcase groups (including New Age whackjobs).

Population bomb, nuclear winter, Y2K, Yosemite Volcano, Hadron Collider black holes...

I read somewhere that 10% of the planet believes in this Mayan crap. On Dec 22nd nobody will even admit they were worried ... just like everyone did for Y2K.

Anonymous zen0 December 08, 2012 7:00 PM  

Christmas is what you make of it. I make mine a celebration of the Immaculate One, Jesus Christ Lord of All. @ Rantor

There seems to be some evidence that December 25 is the conception date, so celebrate away.

The Conception Of Christ

With John the Baptist conceived in June or July, according to the Scripture information provided, he would have been born 9 months later, in March or April. We already know that John was born 6 months before Jesus, so with John born in March or April, Jesus would have been born in September or October. That means that Jesus Christ was conceived, not born, around December 25. The first paragraph of this study, which I repeat below, very likely is what really happened around December 25 on the Roman calendar.

Anonymous SirDon December 08, 2012 7:04 PM  

"Vox, just for the record -- the Antichrist in Revelations was/is Nero. :) - Sam Scott"

Revelations does not mention 'antichrist', only John writes about the spirit of antichrist in his letters. The spirit of antichrist referred to by John is incorrectly linked with the beasts of Revelations 13 and 17, which seems to be Rome and Nero. The spirit of antichrist works through anyone who denies Jesus as the Son of God came in the flesh.

Anonymous Tom O. December 08, 2012 7:06 PM  

Hadron Collider black holes

Every scientist said this had an absurdly small chance of happening (which was non-zero only to mathematicians) and a non-concern. The media said otherwise.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza December 08, 2012 7:15 PM  

Word up on unplugging...and throne of bones.

Rantor; "If you must work around the house listen to music, Christmas, classical, whatever. Escape the fallen evil world and enjoy the advent of Christ's birth."

Agreed.

12-21 like last summers debt fiasco is a complete diversion and waste of time, print and thought.

To hell with the mayans and their stupid and more than likely wrong calendars.

Come on, where is the ark of the covenant and the rest of these SAccccCRED scrolls, docs, calenders and stone tabs? Where?

When the solar flares start and knock off some drones in the process and FEMA processing centers open for bizness, I might pay attention but this specific mayan nonsense. All it provides to me is an outlet to complain or laugh at. Which is somewhat illogical since I am not laughing at the word of God. I am just as suspicious of the 12-21 hype as I was when Camping was getting his 5 mins of precious attention while embarrassing the gospel.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 08, 2012 7:31 PM  

"the Mayans and other tribes understood the use of the wheel, since they had wheels on toys (!) but never made the leap to the adult world. I dunno, maybe they thought only sissies would use wheels"

It's not enough to just think of the wheel; you also have to be able to make them, and a LOT of them, and the axles and suspension and all the rest of it, and also they have to be really well-made, or else they won't work.

Blogger Doom December 08, 2012 7:33 PM  

Meanwhile, secularists continue to scoff at the Bible even as the events predicted in it keep occurring (ed.), one after another.

I'm assuming most of this is pure media look-at-the-loonies hype. But not all of it is a media invention.

No need to even read between the lines, just read the lines, and your own lines. The disbelief is a (mostly) media driven thing. As for the end times? Hehe, I sincerely hope you aren't any more following that line than the supposed secularists are following the Mayan calendar thing?

Not that the end won't happen, but most assuredly you and I will not know it's exact hour until it lands on our doorsteps, however that may happen. Look for a whole ocean(s) to be blood red, look for whole regions or nations to be destroyed in fiery brimstone, epic waves of water, perhaps a content or major island or two being rumbled to gravel. Look to the sky, the mountains, the seas, animals. Oh, you will know it's approach, but even then you will not know the hour even so.

I simply warn that being ready for your own personal end is much more important than concern about the end, and restart toward the next and final end(s), before the final final end... then restart with a new earth, is... well... Yeah, no. The end of many gilded ages and empires and the entrance into many dark ages for men has looked quite like this, which I do see can seem to foretell the final end for the new beginning, etc. Bleh. My concern for the final end isn't played out personally. My concern requires that I try to spread the Word, feebly as I do that. No more thought to it is needed.

Anonymous Azimus December 08, 2012 7:54 PM  

My own take on Y2K, Mayan Calendar, epidemic-obsession, other apocolypse-ish stories (and just about every Hollywood film these days), is that subconsciously, most folks WANT a reset, an unravelling of our caustic, phony, soul sucking world and a return to a simpler, more natural time. Can you think of anyone you know who things are going great or are happy with the state of the world? Christians, atheists, conservatives, liberals, poor, middle-class, wealthy, black, white, etc., everyone seems melacholy of the past, angry about the present, and doubtful about the future. What better way to have a reset than shutting down the grid? Its a similar line of dreaming as playing the lotto...

Anonymous Kickass December 08, 2012 8:39 PM  

Rantor, I think God clearly spoke on offering Him strange fire. He also clearly spoke regarding this celebration and how He hated it and hated having the feasts offered to Him.

AMOS 5:18 Woe to you who desire the day of the LORD! Why would you have the day of the LORD? It is darkness, and not light, 19 as if a man fled from a lion, and a bear met him, or went into the house and leaned his hand against the wall, and a serpent bit him. 20 Is not the day of the LORD darkness, and not light, and gloom with no brightness in it? 21 “I hate, I despise your feasts, and I take no delight in your solemn assemblies. 22 Even though you offer me your burnt offerings and grain offerings, I will not accept them; and the peace offerings of your fattened animals, I will not look upon them. 23 Take away from me the noise of your songs; to the melody of your harps I will not listen. 24 But let justice roll down like waters, and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream. 25 “Did you bring to me sacrifices and offerings during the forty years in the wilderness, O house of Israel? 26 You shall take up Sikkuth your king, and Kiyyun your star-god — your images that you made for yourselves, 27 and I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,” says the LORD, whose name is the God of hosts.

The star-god is saturn, and Dec 25 is his birthday.

I think this is pretty clear.

Anonymous Mudz December 08, 2012 8:56 PM  

The only reasons that I wonder about the Mayan calendar is the following.

- Nephilim? Gods/angels interacting with ancient Maya.

- Some cosmic conincidences that I've heard about that might precipitate something, like, I dunno, a giant sunspot which will totally mess up the earth. (Which is what I think of when I read that part in Revelation.)

Reasons not to:

1 - Jesus didn't know about it. And he was around since before Abraham. And, you know, Jesus.

2 - We're not really supposed to be able to predict the time of the end. So it doesn't make too much sense that the prediction has been sitting around for thousands of years.

3 - Fuck the Mayans.

4 - Didn't they think they were postponing it with sacrifices anyway? Or is that Aztecs or someone else?


In their defense for not predicting their own endtimes, they were probably too busy waiting for their white snake god (yay Satany references), and got Cortez instead.

Anonymous Mudz December 08, 2012 9:00 PM  

Also, a shitload of prophecy that I'm pretty sure has yet to happen before the end.

Blogger Rantor December 08, 2012 9:14 PM  

@ Kickass

You read Amos however you want, seems to me the prophet was chastising Israel. The old Israel that is. If your application were correct, it seems to me we wouldn't go to church or celebrate the Lord's Supper.

Anonymous Edjamacator December 08, 2012 9:23 PM  

Word up on unplugging...and throne of bones.

We tossed our TV subscription out months ago. I download any shows I want to see, and there aren't many. I haven't seen a commercial in months, haven't had to hear any crap show in the background, and haven't missed it for a single second. I have no plans on having an electronic babysitter around to wipe out my kid's attention span and ability to imagine.

Anonymous zen0 December 08, 2012 9:39 PM  

The star-god is saturn, and Dec 25 is his birthday.

I think this is pretty clear.


A few points to consider:

If someone wants to celebrate the Annunciation on that date, which it very well may be, are they allowed?

Also, the Israelites mentioned in Amos actually WERE celebrating those other gods, not doing it inadvertently.

The Israelites were acting in a period where strict adherence to the letter of the Law was paramount. Christians live under grace where heart condition is paramount, that is , intent counts.

AND:

Check out Joshua 22 from verse 11 onward, on the judgement of Phineas, the same Phineas who God blessed:

#1 Numbers 25:12-13 - "Therefore say, "Behold, I give to him (Phinehas son of Eleazar) My covenant of peace; and it shall be to him and his descendents after him a covenant of an everlasting priesthood, because he was zealous for his God, and made atonement for the children of Israel.""

Anonymous Outlaw X December 08, 2012 10:11 PM  

Revelations does not mention 'antichrist

For the last time it is not Revelations it is Revelation. If we are going to quote or expound on the Bible get the name right.

Blogger Taqiyyotomist December 08, 2012 10:14 PM  

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Geddy, Alex, and Neil -- prophecy? Who knows. Amazing album, regardless. :)

Blogger ajw308 December 08, 2012 10:19 PM  

It is possible the Mayans had the wheel, but being an advanced civilization had a powerful labor union who opposed it since it would mean the loss of union jobs.

Anonymous Everybody December 08, 2012 10:31 PM  

Taqiyyotomist December 08, 2012 10:14

shove your spam, idiot.

Anonymous Vidad December 08, 2012 10:33 PM  

I already got the definitive "Mayan Calendar" t-shirt, thanks to The Aardvark. I'm set:

http://dronesofdeath.blogspot.com/2012/10/awesome-shirt.html

Anonymous Vidad December 08, 2012 10:35 PM  

"It is possible the Mayans had the wheel, but being an advanced civilization had a powerful labor union who opposed it since it would mean the loss of union jobs."

Nailed it! And then they destroyed their civilization as a giant "broken window" approach to fixing the failing economy.

Anonymous Boetain December 08, 2012 11:36 PM  

Great thread - well done by all! I especially like those that make the case for the wheel being over-rated in certain situations. Made me think of the eskimos - they don't need no stinkin' wheel either!

Anonymous Outlaw X December 08, 2012 11:49 PM  

It is simple. Plato's Atlantians taught the Mayans, and then flew off to planet Pop Tart because this place is fucked.

Anonymous Outlaw X December 09, 2012 12:23 AM  

People may find this unrelated, I don't. Today at church (RCC) an older gentlemanan passed out this morning. Why/ Because he was taught as a child you should not eat for 8 hours before reciving the the Eucherist. it was cahnged to an hour after Vatcan II. I remember as a child them twice hauling my grandmother (a dibetic) out of the church.

Well, people think me not a good Catholic, yet, today after the paramedics left Father gave the what for, and said If you need to eat then eat, a dead or passed out man cannot take the Eucharist anyway. I quit churching up years ago. I told them why. Including this priest.

I am tired of the fascist no rule bending even for my deceased grandma. Just throw her down the damn sacrificial steps. The Nuns, get no retirement and pay no social security and therefore can never retire except live in a convent with a bitch Nun running it like a FEMA camp while the Bishops retire in luxury. All is vanity all...

Anonymous PR December 09, 2012 1:11 AM  

Ok Vox, I used to think this Mayan prediction about the world ending on Dec 21 was a bunch of bunk. But then I heard this.

http://blog.usa.gov/post/37121041300/scary-rumors-about-the-world-ending-in-2012-are-just

If the government is assuring us that the world won't end, doesn't that mean it's at least a distinct possibility??

:)

Anonymous Klaatu December 09, 2012 1:41 AM  

@PR December 09, 2012 1:11 AM

My comment has been moderated. Let's see if it gets through the govt. filter. I'm not going to turn blue over this...

Anonymous Zap Zapper December 09, 2012 2:41 AM  

Meh. You guys never read Chariots Of God by Erich Von Daniken. Who needed wheels when you could fly.

Anonymous rubberducky December 09, 2012 3:05 AM  

The Mayans never disappeared. They sank back into the jungle. They're still there. This process was already well under way when the Spanish showed. Nobody knows for certain why this happened. But my take on it is that such things are natural. Human history isn't necessarily a grand linear progression nor a Marxian upward yo-yo between two dialectics. Like life on this spinning, orbiting planet with days and nights, months and seasons, things tend to be cyclic.

Anonymous Yum Kaax says December 09, 2012 3:40 AM  

Store.More.Maize.

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, Maya Studies December 09, 2012 3:46 AM  

Store.More.Maize.

Jach ki'imak in wóol in wilikech.

Anonymous L.W. Dickel December 09, 2012 3:55 AM  

"Ahh, December. Can hardly wait for Santa. Nobody caresses my testicles quite like the man in red!!"--Jesus Christ, as told to Chuck Norris.

Blogger kilo papa December 09, 2012 4:02 AM  

Oh yes, the Bible contains many truths.

I know for a fact that Yahweh prefers that his animals offered for blood sacrifice do not have testicles that are blemished.

Duh!!! (Leviticus 22:24)

Oh but goddamn, I love me some goo old fashioned Biblical values!

Anonymous Freddy December 09, 2012 4:55 AM  

VD, wow, caught me by surprise... another newspaper reader of Revelations....who would've thought that a professed Open theist would be so wrong in his escatology? What next....some Left Behind morsels of how to better prepare your unbelieving family members and friends when they are "left behind?"

Nate Wilson has the best parody on the Left Behind series called "Right Behind."

The latest has it that ND Wilson is currently writing

the screen-play for "The Great Divorce."

He is a best selling author and "Notes from The Tilt a Whirl" makes a mark to know that he is up for it.

The point: Rapture theology sucks. You need to
Read a few select authors.

Anonymous L.W. Dickel December 09, 2012 5:07 AM  

"Never go full retard"

How else can you be saved by the blood of Jebus?

Anonymous Jou_ma_se December 09, 2012 5:11 AM  

L.W. Dickel, the resident Obama voting American atheist, gives us atheist input. Thank you for that.

Anonymous Freddy December 09, 2012 5:12 AM  

VD, wow, caught me by surprise... another newspaper reader of Revelations....who would've thought that a professed Open theist would be so wrong in his escatology? What next....some Left Behind morsels of how to better prepare your unbelieving family members and friends when they are "left behind?"

Nate Wilson has the best parody on the Left Behind series called "Right Behind."

The latest has it that ND Wilson is currently writing

the screen-play for "The Great Divorce."

He is a best selling author and "Notes from The Tilt a Whirl" makes a mark to know that he is up for it.

The point: Rapture theology sucks. You need to
Read a few select authors.

Anonymous kilo mama December 09, 2012 5:14 AM  

kilopapa, so what will you do with the last few days before the end of the world? build up those biceps? eat more soy burger patties? post more intellectual insights?

Anonymous kh123 December 09, 2012 5:24 AM  

Weights and scales, folks; weights and scales. Mene, mene and all that. It is an econocalypse blog for the most part, and for good reason.

Anonymous Yum Kaax December 09, 2012 5:32 AM  

Jach ki'imak in wóol in wilikech. @ Speckled Idler

Ts'áaten junp'íit...er...um....maize.

Blogger kilo papa December 09, 2012 6:52 AM  

@kilo mama

I'm just spending my time waitin' on the precious blood of Jeezus to come back to earth and take my soul to that blessed paradise in the sky!!!

Only the blood of Jeezus can save us, don't ya know?

Anonymous Koanic December 09, 2012 7:04 AM  

"But the crystal skulls from Indiana Jones someone mentioned are a complete hoax. They did material analysis on them and said they were made around the 1940s due to the cutting tools used. "

Right, because that's an airtight argument.

Blogger Crude December 09, 2012 7:29 AM  

Who are you kidding, kilo? You can't eat blood. Your sacred stone age dietary practices utterly forbid it - veganism and all that.

Mmmmm I sure so love me some beef jerky. Y'ever have any, kilo? Fresh from the cow? The ones who've had a newborn calf are the tastiest. The final thoughts of their orphaned offspring somehow make the meal that much tastier. :9

Blogger LP 999/Eliza December 09, 2012 7:31 AM  

@ Edjamacator

Yep, I revert back to the other issues beyond Mayans hyped prophecy and cable tv - where are the jobs? It must be nice to prepare for the end of the world and believe you'll be freed from working, taxes and bills.

Within the last year illnesses and a move from one state to another sorry excuse for a state occurred. We were busy, far too busy for that damn cable bill.

The comcast subscription was such a big deal several family members chose to not move to PA with us. Now its just dad and I. Everyone else has their cable tv, pills and booze.

Anonymous Kickass December 09, 2012 7:44 AM  

Eliza, sad as it is you are probably better off then.

Rantor, first go do a bit of reading about the festival and how it came to have the name of "christ" in it at all. If you can do that and still join in when you have full knowledge the Christian and Jews were murdered during this celebration have at it. Hey, I know a lot of Catholics that still try to convert me after I explain to them to look up what they did to Christians and to read the actual Bible for once.

Second, there were not "Christians" at the time this was written and this was before the unholy mixing of the celebration of the pagan god and the birth of Christ were mixed. So yeah, He was talking to Israel because they were HIS PEOPLE. He also told them not to chose the traditions of man over him. He said not to learn the ways of the heathen. But hey, I am sure if you just explain to him and to all the heathen laughing at you that you are allowed to go ahead and do things your way if you want to..it will be fine.

Please feel free to give me a scripture backing what you said.

Anonymous Kickass December 09, 2012 7:51 AM  

Zeno,

1. I couldn't begin to answer that. I am not God and I don't see it covered in the Bible but I may be wrong. Do you have any scripture regarding that?

2. They were aware, yes. They were MIXING the holy and profane. They were participating in the celebration of xmas and then going and doing the things God ordered them to do to worship Him. I think it is clear the devil will take his worship anyway you want to give it to him. Only God demands you are faithful only to Him.

3. Grace vs. The Law has nothing to do with not worshipping or joining in on the worship of the devil. Please show me where Jesus joined in an celebrated xmas? Paul? Just one of the apostles?
Being under grace did not free us from the Law, it fulfilled it for us because we could not. Paul is clear this was not so we could become lawless ourselves. Otherwise, shoot, why there are a lot of things I have been holding back from doing because it would grieve the Holy Spirit dewelling in me but apparently I can do anything I want with no thought to blaspheming the name of God to those who are watching me. As someone who lived in a household of witch craft, I can tell you the heathen know exactly what you are doing and they find you all hypocrits.

Anonymous Kickass December 09, 2012 8:01 AM  

Zeno,
Intent counts until you know better. Right now I have children getting out of diapers. If they insist on being in them in another year that is willfully refusing to mature and their intent in pooping in that diaper is going to change.

Funny you say that my verse is when we were under the Law. You do realize that yours would be under the Law as well? Ok,do you realize that you were confirming my point with what you chose?

Blogger kilo papa December 09, 2012 8:10 AM  

Hey crude, I know you loves you some beef jerky. And I know what variety you like.

It's the kind with your dad's balls on the end of it.

Am I right?



Blogger LP 999/Eliza December 09, 2012 9:30 AM  

The world cannot end now!! Dark Souls 2 for PS3 and XB is in the works!!

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein December 09, 2012 12:43 PM  

The world cannot end now!! Dark Souls 2 for PS3 and XB is in the works!!

"Surely the Good Lord would never disrupt the best game of my life!”
--- The Bishop in Caddyshack



* Ribbet*

Anonymous zen0 December 09, 2012 12:47 PM  

@ Kickass


I don't have any argument with your characterization of Christmas as a pagan festival. Christians who know this should not participate as if it was not. Don't disagree.

As far as the calculation of the annunciation date, it is based on the birthdate of John the Baptist according to his father's service schedule in the temple. I think if you search (annunciation + dec 25) you find something on it.

Your point about your children and knowledge is also correct. Christians go through different stages as their knowledge increases and they become more responsible.

I know the Phineas example was under the Law, but it also showed that there was still something other that the strict legalism of the pharisees, which Jesus also rejected.

It is difficult to go into too much detail in this format, but congratulations on escaping from your previous environment.

Anonymous Sexual Chocolate (friend of Elmer) December 09, 2012 2:54 PM  

This is going to blow some minds, but according to careful astronomical analysis, the birth date of our Lord and Savior appears to be September 11, 3 B.C.E. Interesting huh? Now, if I were the "Prince of the Power of the Air," what date would I want to hijack for my own (and my own purposes).

Besides the infamous date on 2001, what day was the Pentagram.............. sorry, the PENTAGON ground broken for construction, for the world's largest office building (area) to this very nanosecond? And that just 2 days ago marks another infamous date in history, what year was that ground breaking? Why would one break ground for the HQ of the future Military-Industrial-Security-Complex, before Dec. 7th?

For amplification, see links @December 08, 2012 4:06 PM

Anonymous E. PERLINE December 09, 2012 3:15 PM  

Was there ever a time when a group didn't think the end of the world was near? There was always a hysterical inmate who is in charge of the asylum.

Anonymous sprach von Teufelshunden December 09, 2012 3:50 PM  

Also interesting to note, what festival was it, that historically, (and Scripturally) Yehoshua of Nazareth, of Galilee celebrated with his disciples and friends on or around December 25? A festival celebrated since 164/165 B.C.E.? Did they use wreaths and ivy? Fir trees? Gee, it was good enough for Yeshua, maybe it should be good enough for us?

Also considering Origen Adamantius and Quintus Septimius Florens Tertullianu stating/recording that is not advisable to celebrate anyone's mortal birth. What the pagans just relished to do. Dear followers of Ἰησοῦς[1]. We are NOT pagans...

Same amplification, see links @December 08, 2012 4:06 PM



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[1] I do have a special affinity for the name Emmanuel. I can see in the New Jerusalem, considering Psalm 150, this being an anthem in the Temple. The King of Kings, it will be (or already is) his favorite song. (Interesting that Skiba is a metal head as well, go figure. Something to say about scholarship and music. I think Bach and Luther, alive today, would would bang their heads as well)

Anonymous E. PERLINE December 09, 2012 3:57 PM  

The cute submission about the Mayans rejecting the wheel and axle (because it was anti-labor) brings back a memory of mine which may not be recorded in history but which has come back to haunt me.

I was contractor who kept gas stations and logos repainted. The painters union found out we were painting interiors with the newly invented paint rollers. They did a better job and covered three times the area of hand brushing. Accordingly the unions stopped us. It took several years of heated negotiation for rollers to be accepted on union projects.

Anonymous Elmer (just plain ole Elmer, ya know, like in yogert) December 09, 2012 4:16 PM  

Speaking of "the world ending," I vote Neal Morse as music director of the New Jerusalem... [1]


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[1] For the guitar aficionado, yes, that is Paul Gilbert with Portnoy et al.

Anonymous Kickass December 09, 2012 5:20 PM  

SVT, because it says He was walking in the Temple porch during that time does not mean He was celebrating. Quite a stretch to go from Chanukka to mean that Christ somehow celebrated xmas! And please show me your scriptually proof,especailly for it being Dec 25.

Anonymous Kickass December 09, 2012 5:25 PM  

SC, a friend was just telling me about that but they are always on about stuff. Which link? This same friend told me not to freak out if there appears to be two suns on 12/21.

Guess we will see.

Anonymous Kickass December 09, 2012 5:32 PM  

Zeno, I am aware of what you are talking about but I have read the time frame was during Chanukkak and not Dec 25.

I understand your point about the scripture that you posted. I am not saying anything bad about those who do not know. I am talking about those who refuse to listen. Who persecute those who do know and are walking in maturity and offering to provide illumination to those still stumbling in the dark.

Those who refuse to make life changes that are uncomfortable. The don't realize that it is uncomfortable because the chain must be broken. I must do so before the chain is around my children's neck.

And thanks for the congrats. God has been unfailiingly kind and rescued me from great darkeness. People who haven't been there do not realize that the path is paved with good intentions.

Anonymous Kickass December 09, 2012 5:34 PM  

sorry, Chanukkah

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, Mesoamerican Studies December 09, 2012 5:34 PM  

"But the crystal skulls from Indiana Jones someone mentioned are a complete hoax. They did material analysis on them and said they were made around the 1940s due to the cutting tools used. "

Right, because that's an airtight argument.


Are you saying...

a) That the crystal skulls currently in the museums, are in fact, authentic Pre-Colombian artifacts?
b) That the ones in the museums are not authetic, but we might eventually discover new crystal skills that are real?
c) The jade inlays and obsidian mirrors discovered are crystal skull surrogates?
d) Aliens came down from space with their cutting tools, that's why the dating is wrong.
e) None of the above.

We need to make this airtight.

Anonymous Koanic December 09, 2012 5:40 PM  

I'm saying that dating anthropological artifacts by the supposed timeline of technological development is suspect.

Blogger Crude December 09, 2012 6:12 PM  

Hey crude, I know you loves you some beef jerky. And I know what variety you like.

Nah, I have your mom get me it after she's done putting your graham crackers and milk in the paper bag. ;)

Seriously though, you still doing the (tremendously stupid, superstitious, primitive) vegan thing? Let me guess, when jews have dietary laws it's stone age stuff, but when YOU do it because you're certain that shrimp and turkeys are intelligent, caring beings, that's what... something OTHER than tribal insanity?

C'mon, let's hear. Don't make me ask su madre.

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, Mesoamerican Studies December 09, 2012 7:23 PM  

I'm saying that dating anthropological artifacts by the supposed timeline of technological development is suspect.

True.

The problem is the mineral quartz used in the crystal skulls is also all wrong. It is not from pre-Colombian Latin America or Mesoamerica, or even the Carribbean, and is too new to be from Pangea.*

*I know someone reading is going to go, "THE CONTINENTS attached one points?! Latin America was attached to Africa!!11!1"

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, Maya Studies December 09, 2012 7:53 PM  

And one more loose end requiring the expertise of this idling idler.

Jach ki'imak in wóol in wilikech. @ Speckled Idler

Ts'áaten junp'íit...er...um....maize.



You want a little bit of maize? Maize = ixim.

Ts'áaten junp'íit ixim?
Beyxan teen.

Anonymous Koanic December 09, 2012 8:41 PM  

If the crystal skull artifacts were shaped like the real jumbo skulls we've found, they would be interesting, but they're not.

Anonymous E. PERLINE December 10, 2012 3:00 PM  

there may be millions of years' time lapse, but NO alien forms of life looking like us could have come from other planets. Here, we are the top primates, man, the cleverest dudes on this planet.

Anonymous Mudz December 10, 2012 6:27 PM  

That's just sad.

Anonymous L.W. Dick tickle December 10, 2012 9:04 PM  

Oh sh-t my fly's open. Crap...Dam - now they know...

Anonymous kh123 December 10, 2012 10:18 PM  

"The problem is the mineral quartz used in the crystal skulls is also all wrong. It is not from pre-Colombian Latin America or Mesoamerica, or even the Carribbean, and is too new to be from Pangea.*"

Agent Mulder, ladies and gentlemen.

Although your demeanor needs to be a little more like Markku to be spot on.

Anonymous Koanic December 10, 2012 11:46 PM  

This is the story that Vox missed.

Anonymous Idle Spectator Cares December 11, 2012 12:25 AM  

Agent Mulder, ladies and gentlemen.

Although your demeanor needs to be a little more like Markku to be spot on.


I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but there's this strange substance all around us called "water" (chemically H2O) pronounced wah-terr that exists and can be used for identification purposes of materials. It also shows the skulls in the museums are a not authentic.

Or you could have used a 30-second google search.

I write this, because I care... <3 <3 <3

Anonymous kh123 December 11, 2012 3:35 PM  

As do I, hon. Was meant as a compliment.

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