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Monday, December 03, 2012

WND column

An American Independence Party

In Spain, the two pro-Catalan independence parties now control a majority of the regional parliament. While the Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya is on the political left and the Convergència i Unió is on the center-right, the one thing they can agree on is that Catalonia should be independent.

In Great Britain, the Scottish National Party has all but eliminated the Conservative Party north of the border and seats nearly twice as many members as the Labour Party in the Scottish Parliament. As for the United Kingdom herself, the United Kingdom Independence Party, derided by British Prime Minister David Cameron as a collection of “loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists,” just handed the Tories their Eton-educated heads in three by-elections that serve as a likely harbinger of political upheaval to come; UKIP has already effectively replaced the Liberal Democrats as the United Kingdom’s fourth most influential political party after the Conservatives, Labour, and the Scottish National Party.

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152 Comments:

Anonymous Idle Spectator December 03, 2012 6:21 AM  

Let us see how Spain likes "Si, de puede!" in their own backyard. Goose with Spanish rice for the gander, I say.

Diversity, finally bringing us together at last in one common goal: separation.

Anonymous Idle Nicolas Cage December 03, 2012 6:32 AM  

You see it? You see de puede, Spain?

Diversity Rocket kills in The Rock

How do you like how that shit works?

Anonymous The Great Martini December 03, 2012 6:51 AM  


There can be little doubt that Cameron’s opinion of UKIP is but a pale shadow of the U.S. bifactional ruling party’s hatred and contempt for white Americans who still hold to traditional values, believe in their constitutional liberties and derive their sense of identity from historical America.


Bifactional? The GOP is all about catering to white male Americans.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 03, 2012 6:57 AM  

"The GOP is all about catering to white male Americans."

???!!???

[Does Danny Thomas-style coffee spit-take]

Anonymous zen0 December 03, 2012 6:59 AM  

I hope the Scots learned from the Quebec referendum. The Feds will lie, cheat, and steal to win, spending copious amounts of tax monies from Scotland to spread fear and anxiety throughout the land as armageddon approaches.

Anonymous The Great Bourbon on the Rocks December 03, 2012 7:01 AM  

Yet another gem from TGM.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 03, 2012 7:03 AM  

"derided by British Prime Minister David Cameron as a collection of “...closet racists,”

As a sometime student of rhetoric even I have to applaud this one, even though I sincerely hope that Cameron is one day taken captive by visiting space-alien zoologists, and lengthily and vigorously probed.

Closet racists. Heh. Not only is the charge of "racism" increasingly nebulous and incoherent, that is to say it's always those things even when it clings to the tiniest scrap of even making sense; but even in that gossamer Heisenbergian environment, we're already down to "closet" racists -- that is, not only can we not even coherently define our own smear, we also can't demonstrate it! We simply magically infer its presence because, you see, it's hidden in the closet!

Cicero, thou shouldst be living at this hour!

Oh, and btw, like a man said: anti-racist is code for anti-white.


Anonymous scoobius dubious December 03, 2012 7:06 AM  

"The GOP is all about catering to white male Americans."

Oh, so you mean like... Americans.

Or maybe, American-Americans, as we're increasingly being known.

Not that it makes your comical claim any the more remotely true.

Anonymous CrisisEraDynamo December 03, 2012 7:22 AM  

In other news, Korea begins the process of abolishing itself.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 03, 2012 7:30 AM  

re the link from CED...

"Prime Minister Kim Hwang-sik has condemned such xenophobic outbursts as “pathological,” and he urged South Koreans to take the transition to a multicultural society “not as a choice, but as an imperative.”

First of all, I wonder what he actually said in Korean (or maybe he spoke English, it's possible) and what words in Korean for "pathological" and so forth connote.

But let's take it at face value. First off the Times casually uses the word xenophobic, which is itself taken from the language of pathology, implying that it is a diseased frame of mind to oppose a foreign invasion, and that all who do so are either diseased or guilty of thoughtcrime. But it's the Times so we take that for granted.

The Korean PM derides all those who wish Korea to remain Korea as it has been understood for over four thousand years, as being mentally diseased; then in the next breath, he tells them they have no choice in a matter on which they have not been consulted, and that it is an "imperative" (I would imagine that in Korean that word might sound even harsher than it does in English/Latin).

So, just wonderin' here... who's the real sociopath?

Anonymous Bones December 03, 2012 7:32 AM  

The problem with the USA is the Presidential system of politics. This system makes it very difficult for third parties to form, such as an American Independence Party. The parliamentary system in Europe is actually much better suited for the formation of smaller, niche parties because it allows them to form coalitions with other parties to gain traction in parliament. In the USA, the Presidential system leads to "tyranny of the majority" because the Office of the President has so much power.

Also, the problem with the USA is that many "Red States" have significant blue parts. Texas is often used as the example of an state that could go independent since it received the most online petitions to secede, but residents of Austin, TX (a very liberal city) petitioned to stay part of the USA if Texas were to secede from the union: http://www.austinchronicle.com/blogs/news/2012-11-14/dear-obama-if-texas-secedes-can-we-stay-with-you/ Not to mention that Texas will eventually become a blue state due to demographics: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/30/1114634/-Projecting-Texas-The-Coming-Democratic-Plurality

Maybe in the future the whiter states in the northern part of the Midwest could secede to become independent, but they had better do it fast, because time and demographics are not on their side.

Anonymous stg58 December 03, 2012 7:34 AM  

That article about Korea was written in the NYT. I am sure the fevered imagination of the writer took a few liberties with his source material.

Anonymous CrisisEraDynamo December 03, 2012 7:46 AM  

@ stg58

I wouldn't be so quick to discount it. Look here, where I first learned of the phenomenon.

Blogger Bob December 03, 2012 7:47 AM  

The GOP is all about catering to white male Americans.

Really?

The Democrats - along with their black, brown, transgender, lesbian, homosexual, Gaia-worshiping feminist collection of progressive, socialist, tree-hugging communist misfits and their predictibly non-tolerent loud-mouthed college brainwashed pinheads - are doing everthing they can to destroy the white male American.

The fact is that the GOP has been swelling it's ranks with the same kind of anti-everythng-American idiots the Democrats embraced since way back when.

We will soon - of not already - have two national parties full of the same kind of lazy, Statist non-working welfare kings and queens, both parties being led by greedy, grasping elites who consider us all as useful idiots, you included.

So you are wrong. The Republicians are not caterng to the white male American. They are sucking up to the same batch of losers now totally infesting the Democratic party, And they have always been the cheer leaders for the Wall Street crowd, the bankers, the rich elites... no change there.

What - and who - you are misrepresenting as the GOP are the few white male Americans left in the GOP that are trying to defend themselves from all those above named hate-filled sexist and racist splinter groups, the few who are pilloried and butchered on a daily basis by the compromised and worthless media.

One thing all these nimrods have overlooked... the white male has always been without equal when it comes to defending himself once he has realized he is personally under attack by those who would destroy him.

Fair warning.

Anonymous The Great Martini December 03, 2012 7:53 AM  

Yeah, well, if the GOP had a "base" how would it not be white male Americans? Your answer (correct, as it happens) might be that they're the party of plutocracy, but then who are the plutocrats most useful of useful idiots? Well, unfortunately, it just so happens that they are...white male Americans. Conservative white male Americans for sure, but white male Americans.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 03, 2012 8:07 AM  

"Yeah, well, if the GOP had a "base" how would it not be white male Americans? Your answer (correct, as it happens) might be that they're the party of plutocracy, but then who are the plutocrats most useful of useful idiots?"

Perhaps so, but that it is not what you said above. What you said was, "The GOP is _all about_ catering TO white male Americans."

Now you are saying that the GOP ignores its base, and is all about _being catered to_ BY white male dupes.

See the difference? Does the number "180" have any special significance to you?

Do you even know what you think? Maybe you ought to consult yourself before posting.


Anonymous The Great Martini December 03, 2012 8:16 AM  


The Democrats - along with their black, brown, transgender, lesbian, homosexual, Gaia-worshiping feminist collection of progressive, socialist, tree-hugging communist misfits and their predictibly non-tolerent loud-mouthed college brainwashed pinheads - are doing everthing they can to destroy the white male American.


How exactly are they hatching this diabolical plot? Please don't say by stealing their women.

Gays, lesbians, Hispanics, blacks, etc. don't want to destroy the white man. At the same time, they don't want to be destroyed by the white man. That is Election 2012 in a nutshell. If you don't grasp that, then you don't grasp anything.

It reminds me of two quotes. One from Casablanca.

"Rick, you despise me don't you?"

Rick: "Oh, I suppose I would if I gave you any thought."

The other:

"You would probably be less concerned with what other people thought of you if you realized how little they do."

All those groups you mentioned don't hate the white guy. They would prefer if the white guy just did his thing. On the other hand, they don't want to be targeted by whites either, and it happens that the day of reckoning has arrived.

Anonymous HongKongCharlie December 03, 2012 8:19 AM  

The Great Martini says we are useful idiots. Those of us that resist the multi-cultis. I would ask this question.

What are you?

HKC

Anonymous The Great Martini December 03, 2012 8:29 AM  


Now you are saying that the GOP ignores its base, and is all about _being catered to_ BY white male dupes.


Of course. That's what American politics is all about. The GOP "base" doesn't have the numbers to win elections, which is why they need to cater to suckers with numbers able to swing them. Dems are the same; the useful idiot concept applies equally. But idiot status doesn't mean they're total suckers. You've got to give them something. Since both parties play the useful idiots, you can't just say they "hate" (what a loaded word) one group and not all the others. If you do say that, then I think I'm totally on-board. The reality is that down here in the common section, we plebs consider our party to be the one that caters to our needs. Up in the sporting section, they're all owned by the plutocrats.

Anonymous Gen d'Eau December 03, 2012 8:36 AM  

Democracy is dying

the UKIP 'success' needs a deeper analysis. if you're looking for a guy who knows his stuff, you'd do worse than try

http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=83381
[blockquote]
Elections now are becoming the province of bald men fighting over a comb. Even the Mail in its comment, notes that voters are turning are turning away from the mainstream parties – and politicians in general – in their droves.

But what this paper and Professor King fail to see is that they are not turning to the smaller parties in any numbers. They simply deserting the political process altogether. The apparent rise in popularity of the smaller parties is largely an artefact, reflecting the lower turnouts which give them a larger share of a diminishing vote.

Thus, the story they are all missing is that the electoral process is collapsing. Six Labour MPs are currently sitting in the House of Commons with an average mandate of 16 percent, and not one has been able to rise above 21.7 percent.

This is democracy in crisis, yet that buffoon Ed Miliband welcomes the Rotherham results, with a mandate of 15.6 percent, as an endorsement of "One Nation Labour". This is not just blindness – it is dangerous blindness. The very edifice of democracy is crumbling away and this fool prattles about an "endorsement".

Nevertheless, Professor King is no better. His analysis is numerically illiterate. Election pundits used to calculate the swings between the two major parties, he tells us, then airily informing us that they would now be better advised to calculate the swing between the two coalition parties.

What they actually need to calculate is the diminishing mandate. If the people are not turning out to vote, then we have a crisis: the whole political process lacks legitimacy. And we do have a crisis – one to which Professor King and the political classes have not yet woken up.
[/blockquote]

generally speaking this is the go to blog for analysis of the UK vs EU situation and on democrcy in general.
http://eureferendum.com/Default.aspx

Blogger LP 999/Eliza December 03, 2012 8:38 AM  

Great oped. The biggest recent story is in Spain not the mini shows and diversions.

Anonymous swiftfoxmark2 December 03, 2012 8:42 AM  

Still remember Quebec's independence movement. Where did that go?

Anonymous paradox December 03, 2012 8:43 AM  

CrisisEraDynamo

In other news, Korea begins the process of abolishing itself.


I thought that was going to be a link to Gangnam style .

Anonymous swiftfoxmark2 December 03, 2012 8:53 AM  

The GOP is all about catering to white male Americans.

Statistically, if the GOP catered to white male Americans and their sole support came from all of them, the Democrats would not have a foothold in Congress and Romney would be President-elect.

Anonymous Athor Pel December 03, 2012 8:58 AM  

A Korean's idea of a multicultural society is very weak tea compared to what Americans and Europeans currently experience in their larger cities. Much less what progressives imagine in their wildest dreams.

Most Americans have no idea just how homogenous Korea is. Neither do they understand how reflexively Koreans react to anyone not Korean.



Now about the near term future for America. I found a prophecy a few years ago that as time goes by is starting to look more likely to come true.

Here's the link.

http://www.handofhelp.com/vision_1.php


Anonymous Dr. J December 03, 2012 9:03 AM  

They would prefer if the white guy just did his thing.

i.e. - paying for their government checks

Anonymous Kang December 03, 2012 9:05 AM  

even though I sincerely hope that Cameron is one day taken captive by visiting space-alien zoologists, and lengthily and vigorously probed.

We have reached the limits of what rectal probing can teach us.

Anonymous Roundtine December 03, 2012 9:06 AM  

All those groups you mentioned don't hate the white guy. They would prefer if the white guy just did his thing. On the other hand, they don't want to be targeted by whites either, and it happens that the day of reckoning has arrived.

One flaw: they want the white man's money. White guy doing his thing is forking over his income. If white guy says, ok, I don't care about who comes here, but I'm not paying for any of it, they would not like the white guy.

Anonymous swiftfoxmark2 December 03, 2012 9:18 AM  

One flaw: they want the white man's money. White guy doing his thing is forking over his income. If white guy says, ok, I don't care about who comes here, but I'm not paying for any of it, they would not like the white guy.

That reminds me of a time when heard about a Brown Beret (a fascist Hispanic group in California) shouting about how they clean white people's houses and raise their kids. Then without skipping a beat she shouted that we should all go back to Plymouth.

I nearly fell on the floor laughing at how absurdly stupid this woman was.

Anonymous Susan December 03, 2012 9:30 AM  

Oh TGM you are sooo full of it today that I wouldn't even know where to begin. Other than to say that you don't read much do you?

Roundtine, per TGM's quote, the idea that liberals don't hate white guys, well, of course they do. Their whole media agenda is built on it. Everytime there is a color on white crime, they cover it up immediately. It isn't just a money thing anymore. Blacks can't be racist is a foundational building block for liberalism.

2 examples:
1. The beating death of the white good samaritan caught on copter video by CNN at a WTO meeting in Seattle. Remember that?
2. The rape and torture deaths of that white college age couple by a black gang. Boston I believe?

The Republican party has ceased being conservative. Hasn't been in a very long time. That is why we keep getting the Dole, McCain and Romney types for candidates. The Tea Party, among other parties, flawed though they may be, is where Conservatives are starting to flock.

Anonymous Mike43 December 03, 2012 9:35 AM  

If they bothered to vote. Which is really the problem.

Anonymous Stilicho December 03, 2012 9:42 AM  

Yeah, well, if the GOP had a "base" how would it not be white male Americans? Your answer (correct, as it happens) might be that they're the party of plutocracy, but then who are the plutocrats most useful of useful idiots? Well, unfortunately, it just so happens that they are...white male Americans. Conservative white male Americans for sure, but white male Americans.

Why are you such an anglophobe?

Anonymous I'm Feeling The Love December 03, 2012 9:43 AM  

Here's a website with lots of examples to illustrate how much whitey is "loved".

Anonymous Stilicho December 03, 2012 9:44 AM  

2. The rape and torture deaths of that white college age couple by a black gang. Boston I believe?

Tennessee. I forget which city.

Anonymous Go Titans! (yeah, we suck) December 03, 2012 9:46 AM  

2. The rape and torture deaths of that white college age couple by a black gang. Boston I believe?

Tennessee. I forget which city.

KNOXVILLE, TN

Anonymous The other skeptic December 03, 2012 10:04 AM  

On the other hand, they don't want to be targeted by whites either, and it happens that the day of reckoning has arrived.

Bring on the day of reckoning. We will see how will that grand coalition of useless people deals with it.

Anonymous the abe December 03, 2012 10:13 AM  

Scotland won't vote to devolve further. Not yet, anyway. Scots vote Nat for the Scottish Parlament(minority government first time around,slim majority this time) but still vote overwhelmingly Labour and Lib-Dem for Westminster.

The fact that Scotland would share monetary union with the Bank of England without input on rates and what not would further make a sham of any practical claims to autonomy.

The simple fact is Scots can't operate their beloved welfare state without additional revenue being pumped in through the Bartlett formula. Between that and the possibility of economic integration with the rest of the UK suffering, most Scots are quietly will vote for the status quo.


David Cameron played his hand wisely to force a one-off in or out vote instead offering an incremental third-way option on Scottish independence. They'll vote for the hell they know, for now.

Anonymous jack December 03, 2012 10:18 AM  

Shamelessly OT: Got the ebook a few min. ago. Thanks.

Anonymous The other skeptic December 03, 2012 10:20 AM  

Guns don't kill people, people raised by single mothers do

Anonymous The One December 03, 2012 11:20 AM  

It seems to me money is the root of many evils. A country gets rich allowing the Federal government to grow thanks to taxes. The rich natives unwilling to do jobs beneath them, bring in immigrants, then the country begins the process of degradation. Poor korea

Blogger RobertT December 03, 2012 11:20 AM  

I hope it isn't inevitable because it will lead to a blood bath. All of these new, weak and naive new states will be too delectable for the conquerors of the world. Texas and any states that join them will not get any of America's military prowess. The U.S. will become a North Korean like small country with massive power, but the newly formed nations will become sitting ducks.

Anonymous Stilicho December 03, 2012 11:21 AM  

There can be little doubt that Cameron’s opinion of UKIP is but a pale shadow of the U.S. bifactional ruling party’s hatred and contempt for white Americans who still hold to traditional values, believe in their constitutional liberties and derive their sense of identity from historical America. They mock the secessionist petitioners in Texas and other states, celebrate the infestation of even the smallest American heartland towns by African, Asian and Aztec cultures, and engage in ruthless doublethink as they worship at the altar of a false and entirely nonexistent equality.

Indeed. Embrace the hate. It is the only reasonable thing to do.

This is especially true given that the English people and the Scottish people have far more in common than Americans do with the tens of millions of post-1965 immigrants from various non-European nations around the world, or their urban enablers.

but but but...everyone from George Bush to Barack Obama to Katie Couric tells us that we are all just the same, yearning for the glories of unrestricted democracy.

The fact that the future citizens of Aztlán are presently content to continue collecting tribute in the form of state and federal largesse does not mean that they will refrain from exerting the political muscle that their growing demographic weight provides them once the contracting economy brings the gravy train to an end.

The truly stupid thing, and one without a historical precedent that I can think of, is that we offered the Dane-Geld before the barbarians had even arrived--we used the Dane-Geld to attract the barbarians in the first place!

Anonymous The One December 03, 2012 11:22 AM  

Jack, which is ebook, Throne of Bones? I am looking for it

Anonymous jack December 03, 2012 11:33 AM  

Jack, which is ebook, Throne of Bones? I am looking for it

Sorry, was away from computer. The ebook was an added bonus if you preordered the hardback, 'Throne of Bones.' I don't know if it is yet on amazon. Should be able to click on the Bones picture on the right and get to the publisher. There should, I think, be a link to order the ebook from them. Its only 4.99 or so.

Anonymous jack December 03, 2012 11:35 AM  

Yeah, just tried it and the Bones graphic takes you to the publisher. Click on your format [Kindle, etc] and then buy.
Have fun! Should be a great read.

Blogger Spacebunny December 03, 2012 11:40 AM  

They would prefer if the white guy just did his thing. On the other hand, they don't want to be targeted by whites either, and it happens that the day of reckoning has arrived.

Right, which is why they keep jumping up and down, waving their hands and shouting "look at me! Look at me! Pay attention to ME" No one who wants to be left alone does this. The groups you listed do it daily.

Anonymous DonReynolds December 03, 2012 11:44 AM  

I came to the conclusion decades ago, which I still hold, that the Federal Government cannot (and will not) change its present course. I also have concluded that the Federal Government in its present form and direction is unsustainable and would fail at some point. That leaves me with the unshakable belief that we have two simple but distinct choices....1) sucession before the Federal Government ceases to exist OR 2) plan for the day when the Federal Government fails. In either event, the individual states will be left to form whatever government best serves their interests in the future.

I see a zero chance that ALL fifty states will continue with the failed marriage, so the most likely result will be more than one nation emerging from the chaos. I suspect that the former Confederate states will quickly restore their own country, having the strongest regional identity and historical experience. What the rest of the states will do, is none of my business and even less of my concern. We can confidently include Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee and North Carolina, and all states south of that line. The border states outside this area will have plenty of choices and I hope they make those choices. The border of the South may extend to the Ohio River, but I hope it will not. Missouri, Kentucky, Virginia, New Mexico and Maryland may be too infected with Liberal thinking these days to still be considered part of the family of Southern states anymore.

The desire for peace is very strong and a rational desire. Even during the Civil War, the desire for a peaceful conclusion for the war never stopped, culminating in the Hampton Roads Conference just two months before Lee surrendered at Appomattox. (A much better deal was offered than they had any right to refuse.) So we will have those same people who cling tenaciously to the hope for peace in the face of all other facts indicating that the states will secceed.

Anonymous jack December 03, 2012 11:45 AM  

Beck, this morning, was talking about how they and others had looked closely at the problem of voter fraud this election and, while finding some, could not see it worth pursuing with vote totals not changing enough to make a difference. He then said we lost by not showing up at the poles; and, mentioned a figure of about 2 million that would have made the difference. I don't think that would have been enough. As for not showing up; can anyone say the Ron Paul supporters, pissed at how he was treated at the convention, and deciding not to vote? Yeah, thats real smart. Piss off a large block of the better conservatives then expect them to vote for you. Romney can cry all he whats to in his beer, if he drinks such a low class beverage, but he and his cohorts dug their own pit. Nice going GOP.
Should an independence party or obviously competent, revitalized Tea Party 2 get going I'm in line to sign up.

Anonymous fnn December 03, 2012 11:53 AM  

1. The beating death of the white good samaritan caught on copter video by CNN at a WTO meeting in Seattle. Remember that?

I think you mean the Seattle Mardi Gras riots:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Mardi_Gras_Riots

Anonymous DonReynolds December 03, 2012 11:54 AM  

RobertT..."I hope it isn't inevitable because it will lead to a blood bath."

I gently disagree. There will be no bloodbath in this country in the future. Wars are terribly expensive, no matter how passionate the contestants. There will be no one willing to spend so much of the treasury and too few willing to kill and be killed for a cause that no longer creates a stir. The South will finally be free and independent, in part because they still desire it and in part because those outside the South are no longer willing to fight a war to keep them as fellow countrymen.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler December 03, 2012 11:57 AM  

Evangelical Christians are meeting with Hussein Obama to advocate for more immigration and giving amnesty to illegals.

Anonymous Anonymous December 03, 2012 12:05 PM  

Mr. Reynold, you say, "The desire for peace is very strong and a rational desire. Even during the Civil War, the desire for a peaceful conclusion for the war never stopped, culminating in the Hampton Roads Conference just two months before Lee surrendered at Appomattox. (A much better deal was offered than they had any right to refuse.) So we will have those same people who cling tenaciously to the hope for peace in the face of all other facts indicating that the states will secceed"

Yes, and I suspect many believe any sort of conflict arising out of any attempt by the current states to secede would be the "sum of all evil", as I believe then-Major Thos. Jackson referred to war prior to the WTBS. Yet, as bad as war is - and it is far worse than many who merely sit behind computer screens cogitating on theories and abstractions can imagine - it is not the worst of evils.

Although I do not believe we will have another war on the scale experienced in 1861 - 1865, I think some armed conflict on the order of a counter-insurgency (The insurgency being the current unconstitutional government in DC, etc.) will occur if/when states genuinely take back their proper sovereignty. A far worse evil, however, is that of remaining in union within a "nation" that not only carries out and effectively sponsors the theft of property in the form of mercantilism and illegal/legal immigration, but also sponsors and supports the ultimate theft of life against the unborn.

BTW, why is Vox's article so difficult to find on WND? If it weren't for his link here, I would have had problems finding it!

Regards,
David Smith

Blogger Kentucky Packrat December 03, 2012 12:07 PM  

I gently disagree. There will be no bloodbath in this country in the future. Wars are terribly expensive, no matter how passionate the contestants.

To quote the Joker: See, I'm a man of simple tastes. I like dynamite and gunpowder and gasoline. Do you know what all these things have in common? They're cheap.

Don't get me wrong; I don't think America will go straight to either Soylent Green or Running Man. However, I don't think a riot or 10 is completely impossible either. I can't imagine zero effort to stop a breakup of the US either, unless of course the Army is already effectively out of commission.

Blogger James Dixon December 03, 2012 12:07 PM  

> Texas and any states that join them will not get any of America's military prowess.

Texas and the states that may join them are the source of America's military prowess. Have you looked at where the enlisted troops come from? http://www.heritage.org/static/reportimages/E8F05D884C7E78E45A200DC953ED3854.gif

> As for not showing up; can anyone say the Ron Paul supporters, pissed at how he was treated at the convention, and deciding not to vote?

Not just that, but they then acted to disenfranchise the state parties and eliminate the influence of grass roots efforts. Directly undermining the various tea party organizations. If the base really did stay home, which it looks more and more like they did, the GOP has only themselves to blame.

They can cement their permanent status as an also ran party in 2016 by picking Jeb Bush as their candidate, or they can remake themselves into the Tea Party writ large by picking Paul Ryan and Rand Paul. If the latter, maybe this time they'll even let Palin give a speech.


Anonymous Porky December 03, 2012 12:31 PM  

I suspect that the former Confederate states will quickly restore their own country

And if they don't get their moral house in order they will suffer a defeat worse than the previous one.

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Anonymous The One December 03, 2012 1:11 PM  

I don't see how there can be war if the one of the states seceding have nukes in their territory. Very similar to the USSR break up.

Anonymous antonym December 03, 2012 1:11 PM  

I agree with Gen. Public opinion might be swinging in favor of secession, but public opinion is quickly ceasing to matter. The U.S.A. won't break up.

Anonymous The One December 03, 2012 1:11 PM  

Thanks Jack.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard December 03, 2012 1:13 PM  

The GOP is all about catering to white male Americans.

Oh, is that what all the mother-worship was to accomplish at the convention? To pander to men?

But yes, I agree. Pandering to Americans only is self-defeating. I myself voted at least five hundred times in the last election alone, and I haven't even a green card.

Anonymous dh December 03, 2012 1:23 PM  

> Oh, is that what all the mother-worship was to accomplish at the convention? To pander to men?

Yes, men value family. That's the job.

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 03, 2012 1:28 PM  

WLW: Evangelical Christians are meeting with Hussein Obama to advocate for more immigration and giving amnesty to illegals.

No suprise at all. Cardinal Dolan of the Marxist-pedophile run Roman Catholic Church invited Hussein to the Al Smith dinner for a lovefest. Pastor Rick is now re-evaluating his position on homosexuality. I predicted a long time ago that he'd end up marrying gays before the altar of Saddleback Coven. Both Catholic and Protestant "charities" take money extorted by the to aid and abet the Muslim colonization of towns in Minnesota and Maine. As I mentioned on another thread to you, Christianity in its present form is the enemy. To paraphrase the scriptural description, it's lost its saltiness and is fit only to be tossed into the fire.

Anonymous Edjamacator December 03, 2012 1:29 PM  

Yes, men value family. That's the job.

Well, some do....

Anonymous Clay December 03, 2012 1:33 PM  

There goes the neighborhood, Jamie.

Anonymous The One December 03, 2012 2:14 PM  

Gen. Kong, what are you talking about regarding Pastor Rick. Not 5 days ago he said being gay is like consuming arsenic.

Anonymous DonReynolds December 03, 2012 2:15 PM  

Kentucky Packrat..."I can't imagine zero effort to stop a breakup of the US either, unless of course the Army is already effectively out of commission."

The regular US Army (all 4,000 of them) was a non-factor in the Civil War, most of them were sent West to deal with the Indian wars. The Civil War was fought between armies raised by the States.

Today, only a single US Army division remains in the United States. (It is as if the Federal Government is inviting rebellion by leaving the hearth and home completly unguarded.)

I expect the next round of seccession to be more political than military. Too many lessons to be learned from the Irish Republican Army and the Orangemen of Northern Ireland. Look for the seccession to take advantage of political liberties with a sprinkle of mayhem in the form of selective assasination. Yeah, it is all Irish. He he.

A little "Irish lightning" here and there, a pointless bomb blast to decorate the headlines, and a few months of frightful news should set the stage nicely. A logchain tossed into an electric substation would knock many thousands off the power grid for a while. Oil refineries burn well and take eleven years to rebuild. Deliberate sabotage of water and gas works, deliberate disinformation, open provocation and civil disorder. Pretty soon, the clowns in Washington will be giving orders from their protective bunkers. Then they will be ready to negotiate. I am sure everyone here can think of the minimum conditions necessary to force the issue.


Blogger Good Will December 03, 2012 2:49 PM  

As our Christian identity diffuses, national cohesion corrodes. Families, towns, cities and states dissolve. A party (union?) of thieving socialists will attempt to "govern" (enslave) the productive populace, claiming this "right" on the basis of democratic majority, historical precedent, IRS rules, what have you. These atheistic socialists will impose economic slavery and political and religious tyranny upon the masses. Those who support them (in persecuting and stealing from those who resist) will initially profit, thereby gaining new "converts", swelling the ranks of the socialist party.

But the gravy train won't last forever.

There will be war(s). The nation will initially divide into splinter groups organized by tribal ties. Whites, Blacks and Hispanics will initially separate, then converge again, by political necessity, with loosely woven political/economic/religious ties (murderous tyrannical socialist atheists versus life-protecting democratic capitalist Christians).

The fight will not end quickly. Hatreds (among the wicked) will be fanned intermittently, as needed, to serve political advantage and foment war. The righteous will be under constant siege. Eventually entire regions will be swept clean of their inhabitants. Great wars will engulf not just this nation, but the whole earth.

Not until the wheat is separated from the tares and the tares are unalterably bound together in wickedness will the Son of Man return to claim His own.

Until then, all hell breaks loose.

(For further details, consult the Book of Mormon.)

Anonymous DT December 03, 2012 2:56 PM  

Gays, lesbians, Hispanics, blacks, etc. don't want to destroy the white man.

No. They simply want to destroy European Christian (i.e. "white man") culture.

They want sex with anyone/everyone without consequences.

They want abortion.

They want government financial support for single and divorced mothers.

They want marriage...what's left of it...to serve their various pleasures and perversions rather than the production of the next generation.

They want to be selected for benefits and jobs based on their identity group and not their ability and accomplishments.

They want to highlight and emphasize any field where they out perform others. But they want any field where "white men" lead to be analyzed, criticized, and "equalized" under threat of violent government force. If they are ahead, it's assumed that they are better, regardless of preferential treatment and financial aid. If white men are ahead, it's assumed that racism and "white male privilege" is involved.

They want preferential treatment and the largest possible share of a government pie that consists of taxes taken at gunpoint primarily from "white men."

At the same time, they don't want to be destroyed by the white man.

Translation: they do not want "white men" to keep their tax dollars.

And that is Election 2012 in a nutshell. If you don't grasp what I just said, then you don't grasp anything.

Question #1: what would happen to those groups if tomorrow the government lost the authority and power to redistribute wealth and to grant, or force others to grant, preferential treatment on any basis other than ability?

Question #2: if these groups don't give "white men" any thought, then how come they talk about "white man" culture so much, and why is there so much gloating after Obama's reelection that "white men" are dead?

Anonymous Aeoli Pera December 03, 2012 3:08 PM  

However, I don't think a riot or 10 is completely impossible either.

Slightly OT, I read this wrong and had the idea to invent a logarithmic scale for describing wars/genocides/ethnic conflicts, similar to the Richter scale. The units of measurement would obviously be deaths, using powers of ten:

Description -- Deathtoll -- Example
---------------------------------------
0L*-- 0 deaths -- No conflict
1L -- 10 deaths -- A nasty pileup
2L -- 100 deaths -- A mass murder
3L -- 10e3 deaths --
...
6L -- 10e6 deaths -- Biannual African holocaust
...
10L -- Everybody dies -- The sun blew up


*L just stands for logarithmic.

I'm undereducated and there's nothing new under the sun, so kindly point me in the direction of the already-invented, widely-used scale.

Anonymous stg58 December 03, 2012 3:12 PM  

Will, we are having a grown up conversation. Please, no Book of Fairy Tales.

Anonymous stg58 December 03, 2012 3:12 PM  

Will, we are having a grown up conversation. Please, no Book of Fairy Tales.

Anonymous Tad December 03, 2012 3:37 PM  

@ Vox Day
"They mock the secessionist petitioners in Texas..."

Well of course they do, particularly if you are referring to Democrats. But you'll find a noteworthy number of Republicans and Americans in general mock the secessionist petitioners. Why wouldn't they? Not only is the idea foolish and as likely to happen as seeing unicorns fly, it's also about the dumbest reaction to a single election loss that can be imagined.

celebrate the infestation of even the smallest American heartland towns by African, Asian and Aztec cultures

One of the things I like about this forum is that you get to see people actually saying what they think. It's rare these days even for that extremely tiny segment of the population that holds these kind of bigoted and ignorant views to voice them.

It is another signal that America has evolved into a better place that the idea that immigration is really "infestation" is only held by a thin minority of the forever duped.

Anonymous CrisisEraDynamo December 03, 2012 3:43 PM  

@ Tad

However, if too many immigrants enter a country, they self-segregate, and pressure to integrate decreases, creating a racially and culturally fractured state.

How, exactly, does America benefit from massive numbers of immigrants?

Anonymous Tad December 03, 2012 3:45 PM  

@crisis

Who knows....We've yet to experience immigration that can be called "massive".

Anonymous Stilicho December 03, 2012 3:46 PM  

"No true immigration"...snort, that's a first!

Anonymous CrisisEraDynamo December 03, 2012 3:54 PM  

Spanish is practically a second language here, so yes, the immigration is massive, especially in the Southwest.

Anyway, can you please answer my original question?

Anonymous You're welcome December 03, 2012 4:01 PM  

"Who knows....We've yet to experience immigration that can be called "massive".

Correction: "You've yet..." and like most idiots unless you personally experience something you won't have a clue until then.

Anonymous Clay December 03, 2012 4:06 PM  

"Tad December 03, 2012 3:37 PM
One of the things I like about this forum is that you get to see people actually saying what they think."


You're a douchebag, Tad.

Anonymous George of the Hole December 03, 2012 4:10 PM  

Secession and talk of bloody conflict is a decidedly unchristian response to the changes taking place in this country.

You'd think the ilk has never heard the sermon on the mount before.



Anonymous Stilicho December 03, 2012 4:18 PM  

Tad is desperately alone and unwanted in Texas, so he comes here to get attention and fantasize about owning a few southern serfs. Buck up, Tadfly, Obama loves you and will give you foodstamps to prove it.

Anonymous Stilicho December 03, 2012 4:22 PM  

Secession and talk of bloody conflict is a decidedly unchristian response to the changes taking place in this country.

You'd think the ilk has never heard the sermon on the mount before.


What the hell do the cheesemakers have to do with this discussion? We aren't talking about Wisconsin seceding.

Anonymous You're welcome December 03, 2012 4:28 PM  

"Right, which is why they keep jumping up and down, waving their hands and shouting "look at me! Look at me! Pay attention to ME" No one who wants to be left alone does this. The groups you listed do it daily."

They do that even when you're not on the phone ;-)

Blogger Good Will December 03, 2012 4:35 PM  

Tad: It is another signal that America has evolved into a better place that the idea that immigration is really "infestation" is only held by a thin minority of the forever duped.

Tad will no doubt hold this opinion until his boyfriend gets killed by an illegal alien (driving drunk, without insurance or registration), his house gets robbed by a Somali gang, his city or state goes bankrupt paying welfare benefits, or he catches some dread disease we long ago exterminated prior to 1965.

Until then, these are just the pllight of the "forever duped".

Anonymous DT December 03, 2012 4:37 PM  

Not only is the idea foolish and as likely to happen as seeing unicorns fly,...

So was the idea that the Soviet Union could collapse without a war.

...it's also about the dumbest reaction to a single election loss that can be imagined.

It's not a reaction to the single loss of an election. Only a blind man could believe it was. Rather it's a growing reaction to the continuing loss of a way of government and of life, one which emphasized individual responsibility and liberty.

It's rare these days even for that extremely tiny segment of the population that holds these kind of bigoted and ignorant views to voice them.

Yet again we see the bigotry of the left on display. European Christians are not allowed to display even the hint of a desire to preserve their culture, or of regret at its erosion. Equality at its finest.

Blogger Good Will December 03, 2012 4:37 PM  

stg58 December 03, 2012 3:12 PM
Will, we are having a grown up conversation. Please, no Book of Fairy Tales.


Have your fun now. I'm looking forward to having this same conversation with you in 30 years...hopefully at your baptism!

Blogger Rev. Right December 03, 2012 4:38 PM  

"And so, just as the Catalonians are learning to put their differences aside and show a united front to the central government in Spain, as the Scottish Tories and Labour voters have united together in pursuit of a free and independent Scotland, and as Britons of the working-class left and the libertarian right are realizing that a sovereign Britain is more important than any of the many issues that divide them, Americans will eventually do the same."

I don't know about that premise. It seems the very thing that drives the American Left is their unmitigated hatred of white, traditional, Christian America and that they will remain committed to this displacement project until that population is exterminated.

There is no amount of cultural or societal diminishment, disharmony, debasement, decline or general misery that could convince the Editorial Board of the New York Times to embrace the Tea Party types it so loathes. The whole point of leftism is the complete delegitimization and ersasure of traditional culture, no matter who or what they have to use to accomplish it.

Anonymous DT December 03, 2012 4:43 PM  

Secession and talk of bloody conflict is a decidedly unchristian response to the changes taking place in this country.

I might be inclined to agree when one is calling for it. I don't see the problem with discussing the possibility and the potential ramifications in a matter of fact manner. The United States government is currently on an unsustainable, and soon to be unrecoverable, financial trajectory. At the same time signs of Balkanisation are appearing. You have to admit that at least the possibility exists that the U.S. central government will not survive the next 50 years.

Anonymous TheVillageIdiotRet December 03, 2012 4:44 PM  

How in the world can anybody be against the Citizens of Texas or any of the other 50 Republic States,
From gaining their Freedom and Independence from the Evil American Empire being ran out of Washington D C for the last 150 Years?

Death to the Evil American Empire.

DannyR

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 03, 2012 4:51 PM  

As for the gravy train and its prospective end, the finest explanation I've seen recently about what is going on comes from a poster over at Paul Kersey's very un-PC rayciss site. The poster there described the process we're in as the weaponization of debt and used the following bit from Goodfellas to illustrate:

I'd like to elaborate on a point I made earlier... The left understands how to weaponize debt. They seek to increase it, benefit from it in the short term, and walk away from the table when the waiter delivers the bill.

There's a scene from Goodfellas that describes what is going on better than anything I've read. In this scene, the restraunt owner Tommy is pleading with Paulie to help protect him. The crime boss Paulie "protects" him by taking
over his business. Ray Liotta's Henry Hill character goes on to explain.

...But now he has to pay Paulie

...every week no matter what.

"Business bad? Fuck you, pay me.
Had a fire? Fuck you, pay me."

"The place got hit by lightning?
Fuck you, pay me."

Also, Paulie could do anything.
Like run up bills on the joint's credit.

And why not? Nobody
will pay for it anyway.

Take deliveries at the front door and
sell it out the back at a discount.

It doesn't matter. It's all profit.

Then finally, when
there's nothing left...

...when you can't borrow
another buck from the bank...

...you bust the joint out.
You light a match.

And that's it. Been sick, can't pay your taxes, fuck you, pay me. After they've run up so much in debt that the Chinese will no longer lend us money, they light a match.


This indeed appears to be the game of the vampire squids. While mafiosi might bust out a business or three, the squids/usual suspects/body-snatchers who run this rigged monopoly game bust out entire nations. The USA is being busted out right now. It's a pity there are such excellent warnings which go completely unheeded, ignored and ridiculed. But, old Cassandra wasn't exactly treated well by those she warned either. C'est la vie.

Anonymous Tad December 03, 2012 5:06 PM  

@Crisis:

#1. I have no idea
#2. I don't know. We don't have massive immigration.

Anonymous Tad December 03, 2012 5:07 PM  

@stilcho

I'd be just as happy with a Northern, Western or Eastern surf. Where are you from?

Blogger Spacebunny December 03, 2012 5:08 PM  


Who knows....We've yet to experience immigration that can be called "massive".

Define massive - either in numbers per day, month or year.

Anonymous Tad December 03, 2012 5:12 PM  

@DT
European Christians are not allowed to display even the hint of a desire to preserve their culture, or of regret at its erosion. Equality at its finest.

Of course you are allowed to hint at anything you want. Or regret anything you want. You are doing it right now.

But I might suggest that if you want to pass on the idea that Christian Whites of European origin are somehow better people than all others, then you better try to teach your children this instead of whining.

Of course they are unlikely to believe you as they get older, mature and gain experience and wisdom as they are to believe in the tooth fairy as they get older, mature, gain experience and wisdom.

Anonymous George of the Hole December 03, 2012 5:21 PM  

European Christians are not allowed to display even the hint of a desire to preserve their culture, or of regret at its erosion.

Where did Jesus tell us to "preserve our culture"?

We are supposed to keep the faith. Our failure to do this is what has led to the current state of affairs.

Anonymous Stilicho December 03, 2012 5:28 PM  

Where did Jesus tell us to "preserve our culture"?

Where did Jesus instruct his followers to allow the destruction of their culture, their liberty and their lives?

Anonymous CrisisEraDynamo December 03, 2012 5:32 PM  

@ Tad

All right then, can you tell me how this country benefits from immigration as it currently stands?

Anonymous Tad December 03, 2012 5:37 PM  

@spacebunny


Who knows....We've yet to experience immigration that can be called "massive".

Define massive - either in numbers per day, month or year.



I'll go with 4 million immigrants per year as a definition of "Massive".

Anonymous Tad December 03, 2012 5:38 PM  

@crisis

All right then, can you tell me how this country benefits from immigration as it currently stands?

It provides workers for low wage jobs.
It brings skilled workers into the United States
It brings really yummy cuisines from around the world.

...among others.

Anonymous George of the Hole December 03, 2012 5:42 PM  

Where did Jesus instruct his followers to allow the destruction of their culture, their liberty and their lives?

If you keep the faith you don't have to worry about such things.

Anonymous DT December 03, 2012 6:11 PM  

Of course you are allowed to hint at anything you want. Or regret anything you want. You are doing it right now.

Your response to Vox for this very action was to call him an ignorant bigot. As a practical matter of law and technology everyone here may have, for the moment, the ability to express such views. But you would never consider them or show any tolerance towards those who hold them.

Tell me something: would you dare call a minority "ignorant and bigoted" for expressing the desire to preserve their culture, or for expressing regret at the erosion of their culture?

But I might suggest that if you want to pass on the idea that Christian Whites of European origin are somehow better people than all others, then you better try to teach your children this instead of whining.

I'm fine with that. Just as soon as the bankrupt Federal and state governments pull all funding for multicultural education and activities, and rescind all laws which favor one race or culture over another.

Of course they are unlikely to believe you as they get older, mature and gain experience and wisdom as they are to believe in the tooth fairy as they get older, mature, gain experience and wisdom.

Yes, I'm sure shining examples of vibrancy like Detroit will teach them how backwards and inferior European culture was.

It provides workers for low wage jobs.
It brings skilled workers into the United States


This is not a benefit when we have a surplus of unemployed Americans and a shortage of jobs, both skilled and unskilled.

Want to try again?

Anonymous CrisisEraDynamo December 03, 2012 6:18 PM  

@ Tad

1) Creating an underclass of underpaid wage-slaves is not a social benefit. It only fans the flames of resentment when they or their children cannot get above their station and do poorly in school since the parents themselves aren't very educated. They become net tax consumers, since they often need to hold on to welfare for dear life thanks to the aforementioned low pay (caused by all the imported labor.) The ones that do make it out aren't as academically skilled as their white peers since affirmative action and campus diversity ideology often allows them to skate by on mediocre work.

2) Does America lack skilled labor so badly that it absolutely has to bring in foreigners? Or are cheap H1B-visa workers more important?

3) A native can make that food on his own by learning how to cook it elsewhere, especially if he's trying to make it into a business. It will be cumbersome, but most businesses are.

As Robert Putnam found out to his displeasure, diversity decreases the social trust needed for a healthy civil society. It also promotes divisiveness as the races all become suspicious of each other and there is no common culture or political assumption to unite them all, just airy words like "freedom" and "democracy" and "human rights," words people can endow with any meaning they like.

Nothing else can explain the profusion of ethnic violence in California schools, nor can it explain the billions of dollars wasted on managing racial and religious conflicts in the workplace -- conflicts that would not have arisen if immigration were not at such a high level.

Anonymous Tad December 03, 2012 6:20 PM  

@DT

Clearly I tolerate you, no matter what your opinion. And I do consider them. But if they are straight up racist, they won't convert me.

I'd call a minority bigoted and ignorant if they also went so far as to be dismissive of other cultures.

Anonymous The One December 03, 2012 6:59 PM  

Bible, tower of Babel. This isn't even a discussion

Blogger James Dixon December 03, 2012 7:47 PM  

> One of the things I like about this forum is that you get to see people actually saying what they think."

Yep, And Tad routinely makes all of our points for us by doing so. And some people think Vox makes people like this up.

Anonymous Stilicho December 03, 2012 8:04 PM  

Where did Jesus instruct his followers to allow the destruction of their culture, their liberty and their lives?

If you keep the faith you don't have to worry about such things.

What a weak evasion. Answer the question. At his point, you haven't even risen to the level of garden variety troll.

Anonymous Stilicho December 03, 2012 8:06 PM  

I'd call a minority bigoted and ignorant if they also went so far as to be dismissive of other cultures.

Please specify why being dismissive of other cultures is ignorant. This should be entertaining.

Anonymous Van December 03, 2012 8:49 PM  

I don't dismiss other cultures until I've learned a great deal about them. The more knowledge I have of black and Mexican culture, the more dismissive I become.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 03, 2012 9:05 PM  

"You'd think the ilk has never heard the sermon on the mount before."

If he asks for your food stamps, give him your children's future as well.

I don't recall Jesus ever counseling people to be charitable with things that didn't belong to them; this is called stealing. The country does not belong to liberals for them to give away on a whim. "But we're so rich, and they're so poor and stupid. We HAVE to share with them." Share what? Who is this "we" that has to do what you say? You want to share with the poor, give to the missionaries, or go become one. Liberals have no right to give away what is not theirs to give, period. And that is what they are doing, giving the country away to vicious ungrateful foreigners who have no right to it.

"It seems the very thing that drives the American Left is their unmitigated hatred of white, traditional, Christian America and that they will remain committed to this displacement project until that population is exterminated."

You listening, Krul?

"There is no amount of cultural or societal diminishment, disharmony, debasement, decline or general misery that could convince the Editorial Board of the New York Times to embrace the Tea Party types it so loathes. The whole point of leftism is the complete delegitimization and ersasure of traditional culture"

Exactly. You could shorten it to, "The whole point of leftism is the erasure of the goyim." That is what is really going on in the back of Tad's mind of course. It's a waste of time trying to reason with him.

Anonymous George of the Hole December 03, 2012 9:39 PM  

Scoobious dubious: The country does not belong to liberals for them to give away on a whim.

All evidence to the contrary.

If he asks for your food stamps, give him your children's future as well.

What a terrible thing for a Christian to teach his children - that their future depends on the government.

Anonymous Stilicho December 03, 2012 10:00 PM  

Answer or retract george

Blogger IM2L844 December 03, 2012 10:55 PM  

I'd call a minority bigoted and ignorant if they also went so far as to be dismissive of other cultures.

How about if they were dismissive of the facts? Shouldn't you call someone who is willfully ignorant of the facts and obstinately committed to counterfactuals with blind intolerance toward those who are dedicated to pointing out the facts, regardless of how emotionally abrasive they might be, a bigot?

Across the board equality is in fact, both conceptually and pragmatically, a myth and, Tad, you are a bigot of the first order!

Anonymous stg58 December 04, 2012 12:03 AM  

stg58 December 03, 2012 3:12 PM
Will, we are having a grown up conversation. Please, no Book of Fairy Tales.

Have your fun now. I'm looking forward to having this same conversation with you in 30 years...hopefully at your baptism!


I worship God. I will never join your satanic cult, in person or at your garbage proxy baptisms.

Anonymous Faradn December 04, 2012 12:06 AM  

You're on The Rachel Maddow Show--you've made it!

http://www.myvidster.com/video/9142341/Video_Santorum_joins_racists_paranoids_and_cane_fighters_at_WND

Anonymous Tad December 04, 2012 12:13 AM  

@IM2L844

Across the board equality is in fact, both conceptually and pragmatically, a myth and, Tad, you are a bigot of the first order!

Who's talking about equality. It's equality of opportunity. Not equality. What a strawman you are building.

Anonymous Tad December 04, 2012 12:15 AM  

@stilcho

Please specify why being dismissive of other cultures is ignorant. This should be entertaining.

Unless you are an active member of a culture, it's just not possible to fully assess it to the point of dismissing it. To do so is a matter of expressing your ignorance.

Anonymous Tad December 04, 2012 12:19 AM  

You're on The Rachel Maddow Show--you've made it!

If anyone wonders exactly what Americans think of the ideas in this column, just watch this video. It demonstrates exactly the the way folks will understand this kind of lunacy.

Anonymous stg58 December 04, 2012 12:36 AM  

@stilicho

Please specify why being dismissive of other cultures is ignorant. This should be entertaining.

Unless you are an active member of a culture, it's just not possible to fully assess it to the point of dismissing it. To do so is a matter of expressing your ignorance.


You are right, Tad. We should absorb and especially participate in cultures like the cannibal tribes found in certain parts of the world, the honor killing and acid throwing muslim cultures of the world, and the cultures that kill people who wear glasses. After we become more vibrant in those cultures, we can dismiss them.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 04, 2012 12:48 AM  

"Unless you are an active member of a culture, it's just not possible to fully assess it to the point of dismissing it. To do so is a matter of expressing your ignorance."

So, you know, until you've actually BEEN a Nazi, you really have no right to express an opinion about them. What a relief!

I think Tad should go and join his local chapter of the ABS -- the American Bigots Society. Once he grows accustomed to the vibrancy and positive energy and all the varieties of great food that are such an integral part of down-home Bigot Culture, he may find that there are some very good reasons for bigotry after all.

Anonymous Anonymous December 04, 2012 1:17 AM  

http://britainfirst.org/campaigns/alex-salmond-and%C2%AD%C2%AD%C2%AD%C2%AD%C2%AD-the-79-group

SNP = Pro EU Marxists

Anonymous George of the Hole December 04, 2012 1:17 AM  

Answer or retract george

You first, Socrates Jr.

Anonymous Feh December 04, 2012 1:26 AM  

I don't recall Jesus ever counseling people to be charitable with things that didn't belong to them; this is called stealing.

There are plenty of "Christians" today who preach exactly this sort of anti-Christian inversion of morality.

Apparently, the first and most important task for Catholic nuns is to "speak out against Republican federal budget proposals" and "be witnesses for economic justice" (which you and I call stealing).

http://nunsonthebus.com/

Blogger Spacebunny December 04, 2012 2:04 AM  

We've yet to experience immigration that can be called "massive".

I'll go with 4 million immigrants per year as a definition of "Massive".



Congratulations Tad, you are even more historically ignorant than previously thought.

Blogger IM2L844 December 04, 2012 2:11 AM  

Who's talking about equality.

Really? If you don't think your perspective on immigration as well as your other positions you've vaguely delimited at this blog stems directly from your fundamentally flawed perspective on equality, then I suppose you are exactly who John Stuart Mill was talking about when he said: "He who only knows his own side of the case knows little of that."

Everybody on the planet does not automatically deserve the same opportunities in life as everyone else. Do I need to type slower?

Anonymous Tad December 04, 2012 2:20 AM  

@spacebunny

Congratulations Tad, you are even more historically ignorant than previously thought.

You're killing Bunny. Thank you. That was the first time I laughed out loud today and a good laugh is good for your health. Again, thank you.

Anonymous Tad December 04, 2012 2:23 AM  

@IML2844

Next time you put words in my mouth, at least use words that make sense. Why is it necessary for you to misrepresent those you are conversing with? Habit or fear? Let me know where you have me suggesting that everyone on the planet deserves the same opportunities.

I don't ask or expect much from you folks. But at least stand up for honesty.

Blogger IM2L844 December 04, 2012 3:08 AM  

Let me know where you have me suggesting that everyone on the planet deserves the same opportunities.

Did you mean to say that only certain sub-groups of everyone on the planet deserve "equality of opportunity."? If so you would be even more wrong than I suspected.

If you are going to portray yourself as someone who stands up for honesty, then try actually being honest. Stop dancing around the issues and concisely define your position. Otherwise, I can only extrapolate and infer.

Anonymous You're welcome December 04, 2012 7:18 AM  

"I don't dismiss other cultures until I've learned a great deal about them. The more knowledge I have of black and Mexican culture, the more dismissive I become."

In the Old Testament if the Israelites weren't "dismissive" of other cultures they got into big trouble with God.

Anonymous Yw December 04, 2012 7:38 AM  

Amsterdam to create 'scum villages'

How much you wanna bet that the scum villages are filled with immigrants and their "diverse" non-Dutch cultures that are behind most of the trouble making? The Dutch are pretty amazing when they get things right.

Anonymous Nah December 04, 2012 8:00 AM  

The right thing for the Dutch to do would be to deport or execute the scum.

Blogger James Dixon December 04, 2012 8:06 AM  

> Unless you are an active member of a culture, it's just not possible to fully assess it to the point of dismissing it.

Then why are you so dismissive of us, Tad? You've never been and have no desire to be an active member of our culture.

Anonymous Athor Pel December 04, 2012 8:37 AM  

"Tad December 03, 2012 5:12 PM
...
But I might suggest that if you want to pass on the idea that Christian Whites of European origin are somehow better people than all others, then you better try to teach your children this instead of whining.

Of course they are unlikely to believe you as they get older, mature and gain experience and wisdom as they are to believe in the tooth fairy as they get older, mature, gain experience and wisdom."




Wow, Tad's a racist and a bigot. Yeah, I didn't see that one coming. Not at all. No sir. Uh uh, nope. Not even a little bit.




Anonymous pragmatically delicious December 04, 2012 8:46 AM  

"Of course they are much more likely to believe you as they get older, mature and gain experience and wisdom as they are to believe in the tooth fairy as they get older, mature, gain experience and wisdom."

Fixed it for you, bro.



Anonymous Stilicho December 04, 2012 9:42 AM  

Answer or retract george

You first, Socrates Jr.

See the rules of the blog George. If you want to come in here and spout nonsense, you have to back it up when asked to do so. Now answer the question, retract your statement, or leave. Free choice.

Anonymous Stilicho December 04, 2012 9:46 AM  

Unless you are an active member of a culture, it's just not possible to fully assess it to the point of dismissing it. To do so is a matter of expressing your ignorance.

It is refreshing to see a fool like Tad admit that his criticisms of Christianity, conservatism, libertarianism, etc. are a result of his ignorance.

Anonymous Tad December 04, 2012 10:53 AM  

@James

Then why are you so dismissive of us, Tad? You've never been and have no desire to be an active member of our culture.

Which culture is that?

Anonymous George of the Hole December 04, 2012 11:08 AM  

@Stilicho:

I haven't said anything nonsensical so I don't know what you are talking about.

Blogger James Dixon December 04, 2012 11:52 AM  

> Which culture is that?

Well, you been dismissive of Christians, Libertarians, Whites, and Conservatives; to name a few. I'm sure I could find a number of others that I belong to that you would dismiss just as quickly.

Anonymous Stilicho December 04, 2012 11:57 AM  

George,you asserted the following: Secession and talk of bloody conflict is a decidedly unchristian response to the changes taking place in this country.

You'd think the ilk has never heard the sermon on the mount before.


Then, in response to this: European Christians are not allowed to display even the hint of a desire to preserve their culture, or of regret at its erosion.

You wrote:Where did Jesus tell us to "preserve our culture"?

We are supposed to keep the faith. Our failure to do this is what has led to the current state of affairs.


So, I asked you the following: Where did Jesus instruct his followers to allow the destruction of their culture, their liberty and their lives?

So far, you have made multiple attempts to avoid answering my question. I'm still waiting.

Anonymous George of the Hole December 04, 2012 12:03 PM  

@Stilicho: "Where did Jesus instruct his followers to allow the destruction of their culture, their liberty and their lives?"

I never made the assertion that he did.

Did you have a question about any assertions that I actually DID make?

Anonymous Stilicho December 04, 2012 12:54 PM  

I never made the assertion that he did.
Reading comprehension is not strong in this one. He (DT)said the almost the exact opposite George. You on the other hand, challenged him to produce evidence of Jesus giving instructions to preserve culture. The only possible interpretation of your position is that it is unchristian to strive to preserve our culture, which you asserted via both your secession-is-unchristian-because-of-the-sermon-on-the-mount comment and your "Where did Jesus tell us to preserve our culture?" response. Turnabout being fair play, I asked you to produce evidence that Jesus gave his followers contrary instructions. Since we all know you cannot do this, I'll even break it down for you:

1) is it your position that it is unchristian to seek to preserve one's culture?

Anonymous George of the Hole December 04, 2012 1:17 PM  

@Stilicho: 1) is it your position that it is unchristian to seek to preserve one's culture?

Is the body of Christ comprised of a single culture? Why then do you suppose that Paul was "all things to all men"?




Anonymous Anonymous December 04, 2012 1:20 PM  

"Is the body of Christ comprised of a single culture? Why then do you suppose that Paul was "all things to all men"? "

Way to not answer the question George.

The Man with the Hat


Anonymous Stilicho December 04, 2012 1:25 PM  

Still waiting George

Anonymous George of the Hole December 04, 2012 1:31 PM  

I'm sorry, but I never made the assertion that it was unchristian to preserve ones culture.

I'm not sure why you are asking me such a pointless and irrelevant question so I was trying to help you understand the foolishness of your own question.

Perhaps I was expecting too much of you?

Is there an assertion that I've made which bothers you? Please tell me. I want to help.

Anonymous Stilicho December 04, 2012 1:54 PM  

Still waiting george

Anonymous George of the Hole December 04, 2012 2:03 PM  

Please quote the exact assertion that you have a problem with and I will back it up.

So far you've only asked me to back up assertions that I have never made.

Help me to help you.

Anonymous Stilicho December 04, 2012 2:11 PM  

Secession and talk of bloody conflict is a decidedly unchristian response to the changes taking place in this country.

You'd think the ilk has never heard the sermon on the mount before.


Where in the sermon on the mount does it say that secession is unchristian George?

Anonymous George of the Hole December 04, 2012 2:43 PM  

Matthew 5:25 exhorts us to reconcile with our adversaries quickly while we are amongst them, not to turn away from them and threaten them with bloody conflict.

Matthew 5:9 exhorts us to be peacemakers, not to threaten bloody conflict if we don't get our way.

Matthew 5:42 exhorts us to not turn away from those who ask of us, not close the door and brandish arms.

Matthew 5:44 exhorts us to repay evil with good, not to threaten them with violence.

Secession and threat of bloody conflict is in contrast to the spirit of what Christ said on the mountain.







Anonymous scoobius dubious December 04, 2012 5:56 PM  

"Secession and threat of bloody conflict is in contrast to the spirit of what Christ said on the mountain."

American secessionists are threatening no one with 'bloody conflict'. They merely wish to go their own way in peace, and preserve their people and their culture, in accordance with the idea in the constitution that the federal union is voluntary and that sovereignty rests with the people and the several states. It is the FedGov/ZOG/BRA which threatens 'bloody conflict' against anyone who wishes to flee its octopus tentacles. The union could be peacefully dissolved tomorrow if all concerned parties agreed to negotiate the dissolution, as they should, and not fight about it.

"I'm sorry, but I never made the assertion that it was unchristian to preserve ones culture."

This ignores the facts on the ground. White Western Christian culture is by far the most advanced and prosperous and pleasant place to live that has ever been devised by humanity. Seeing however as it is composed of less than 1/8th of humanity's total, and that many of the other 1/8ths are not only less advanced and less pleasant, they are downright shit-holes, it stands to reason that White Western Christian culture constitutes an "attractive nuisance".

If, tomorrow, it were decreed that anyone and everyone on planet earth would be allowed to move to the West, no questions asked, then Vegas odds are that about 7 out of 10 non-white non-Western human beings on planet earth would do so; and as a practical result, on the following day, white Western culture would cease to exist.

We cannot share the place indefinitely with people whose presence by definition destroys the place; moreover, as individuals, it is not "ours" to choose to share -- we hold it in trust.

Like the old analogy goes: if you have a pint of ice cream and you add half a cup of dog shit, you don't wind up with better-tasting dog shit.



Anonymous Stilicho December 04, 2012 7:25 PM  

Thanks, George, that wasn't so difficult was it? I'll respond when I have more time.

Anonymous George of the Hole December 04, 2012 8:15 PM  

I'll respond when I have more time.

Not necessary.

Anonymous William MacDougal December 05, 2012 11:38 AM  

"Scotland won't vote to devolve further"

Damn Scots! They ruined Scotland!

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