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Saturday, January 19, 2013

The last days of US empire

And both its soldiers and its enemies know it:
During lunch, as my hosts casually pointed out the site of the holly-oak barrier and other places in the village where the British had been massacred in 1842, we compared our respective family memories of that war. I talked about my great-great-uncle, Colin Mackenzie, who had been taken hostage nearby, and I asked if they saw any parallels with the current situation. “It is exactly the same,” said Jagdalak. “Both times the foreigners have come for their own interests, not for ours. They say, 'We are your friends, we want to help.’ But they are lying.”

“Whoever comes to Afghanistan, even now, they will face the fate of Burnes, Macnaghten and Dr Brydon,” agreed Mohammad Khan, our host in the village and the owner of the orchard where we were sitting. Everyone nodded sagely into their rice: the names of the fallen of 1842, long forgotten in their home country, were still common currency here.

“Since the British went, we’ve had the Russians,” said one old man to my right. “We saw them off, too, but not before they bombed many of the houses in the village.” He pointed at a ridge full of ruined mudbrick houses on the hills behind us.

“We are the roof of the world,” said Khan. “From here, you can control and watch everywhere.”

“Afghanistan is like the crossroads for every nation that comes to power,” agreed Jagdalak. “But we do not have the strength to control our own destiny. Our fate is determined by our neighbours....”

The following morning in Jalalabad, we went to a jirga, or assembly, of Ghilzai tribal elders, to which the greybeards of Gandamak had come, under a flag of truce, to discuss what had happened the day before. As Predator drones took off and landed incessantly at the nearby airfield, we chatted over a pot of green tea.

“Last month,” said one tribal elder from Gandamak, “some American officers called us to a hotel in Jalalabad for a meeting. One of them asked me, 'Why do you hate us?’ I replied, 'Because you blow down our doors, enter our houses, pull our women by the hair and kick our children. We cannot accept this. We will fight back, and we will break your teeth, and when your teeth are broken you will leave, just as the British left before you. It is just a matter of time.”’

“What did he say to that?”

“He turned to his friend and said, 'If the old men are like this, what will the younger ones be like?’ In truth, all the Americans here know their game is over. It is just their politicians who deny this.”

“These are the last days of the Americans,” said the other elder. “Next it will be China.”
Americans who still contort their minds and imaginations to justify their foreign empire are ignorant of history and blind to historical patterns.  Now what was obvious to a few skeptics like me is becoming increasingly obvious to everyone around the world.

The collapse of the Soviet Union led to an unwarranted hubris on the part of Americans, particularly the pro-empire ruling class, because the "Morning in America" of the 1980s was a false dawn funded by credit expansion, not genuinely increasing wealth.  In retrospect, the retreat from Vietnam and the Iranian hostage crisis appear to have marked the true inflection point.

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115 Comments:

Anonymous Idle Spectator January 19, 2013 5:01 AM  

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...

Anonymous Idle Spectator January 19, 2013 5:31 AM  

Another thing that always confused me: why is everyone so fascinated with Afghanistan?

The British go in, they get killed.
The Russians go in, they get killed.
The Americans go in, they get killed.

This is nothing new. It was that way back with Alexander the Great and Scythia, Bactria, and Arachosia, and 50 million other political entities. What it so fascinating about fighting there? Resources? The view? It's a bunch of mountains with Pashtun and Tajik tribes fighting each other; terrible cities, ugly flag, and bad weather. They cultivate huge quantities of Papaver somniferum or opium poppies along with Pakistan (Golden Cresent region), but so does the Golden Triangle (Burma, Laos, Vietnam and Thailand), and they are way more interesting.

I know it's a "buffer state," so let them buffer with their own mess and cut each other's heads off in one (two) piece(s).

Anonymous Idle Spectator January 19, 2013 5:40 AM  

Now buffering... 72%...

Fucking Afghan Media Player.

Anonymous Rantor January 19, 2013 5:53 AM  

If only we had immediately left once we had destroyed the Taliban regime. Let the warlords have it. But know, our arrogance tells us that we must rebuild them (make them safe for feminism, they are already expertts at sodomy and pedophilia). Of course Bush left a handful of soldiers there to do this for several years once he moved his focus to completing Papa's work in Iraq.

So after nearly a dozen years in Afghanistan, we may finally leave and let the warlords fight it out.

Pathetic, incompetent, arrogant leaders. My only hope for the Obama administration is that we'd be out of both Iraq and Afghanistan by now. Just as he has failed on all other fronts, so to has he failed here.

Of course with a large standing army, liberty may be better served by having it overseas... what will Obama want to do with all those troops once he has them home? (Maybe we'll just have sweeping military cuts)

Anonymous Slapbox willie January 19, 2013 6:11 AM  

Well, if we used our military capacity to it's full extent we wouldn't have to listen to the ramblings of some goat fking pedophile tribal leader and would have empire established by now.
What would the early Roman, Greek or Brit empires have done if they had the military superiority America owns today?

Blogger tz January 19, 2013 6:11 AM  

The USSR imploded from military overreach combined with economic exhaustion. Reagan only gave them a little push, but the rotting corpse would have collapsed in short order (and maybe with much thrashing and chaos).

So instead of praising God and staying home in peace, we think we were the cause and imitate the USSR by making the military sacrosanct and bankruoting ourselves and going to a communist economic model (we won't admit crony capitalism looks very much like the nomenklaatura and politboro). And go to Afghanistan.

Anonymous Idle Spectator January 19, 2013 6:17 AM  

That leads me to an important Idle Axiom: Always be careful when messing with "Mountain People."

- Pastun in Afghanistan
- Nepali Gurkhas
- Chechens in Chechnya
- Scots-Irish in the Appalachian region of the US
- Albanians, Serbs, ect. in Yugoslavia

They tend to be tough, ornery bastards due to the terrain. Do you see the connection?

Anonymous Idle Spectator January 19, 2013 6:21 AM  

Oh wait, I missed one of the best examples: the Hmong from the mountain highlands of Laos.

Anonymous zen0 January 19, 2013 6:33 AM  

what will Obama want to do with all those troops once he has them home? (Maybe we'll just have sweeping military cuts)

Send them to Africa. The US reportedly has troops in 35 African countries now. The Chinese send economic development projects and the US (Great Satan) sends its military.

Anonymous Slapbox Willie January 19, 2013 6:43 AM  

"Do you see the connection?"

Yes, I recall how the Albanians, led by a bunch of drug running muzzie scum, had NATO do their dirty work and kill Serbs while they ran dope and teen hookers into Europe. Them good ole boys in Appalachia will also have to face the internationalista when the pimps let loose again.

Anonymous Mudz January 19, 2013 6:46 AM  

I will miss you guys though. Your government's a douche, but I kinda like the people. :D Though I suppose New Zealand is probably tied to American fate, anyway. It's a world disorder.

Anonymous taterearl January 19, 2013 8:32 AM  

Every empire falls...internally. America will be no different.

But I doubt China will take over...they are in the decay phase as well. I really see nobody going to the head of the class...it'll probably be globalization of everybody, the rising of the anti-Christ, and then the end.

Anonymous E. PERLINE January 19, 2013 8:40 AM  

I read that the main reason the British gave up their empire is that they found colonialism didn't pay.

Not only doesn't it pay us either, we are even less exploitive than the old colonial powers. American government never makes a profit on anything.

Anonymous Anonymous January 19, 2013 9:10 AM  

"Next it will be China"


From what I've heard, the only person to successfully conquer Afghanistan was Genghis Khan who did so by killing everyone he could find & laying the entirety of the countryside waste. After erecting numerous bone piles like our buffalo 'hunters' did, the 'indomitable Afghans' succumbed to Mongol domination. Rather makes the point that when one isn't all that interested in slaves or serfs, the complete extermination of the indigenous population is a very effective means of achieving one's goals & a China unconstrained by the U.S. &/or Russia fits that criteria quite well given their traditional ruthlessness & the willingness & ability to accept massive casualties.

Instead of bravado, the 'mighty' Afghans should reflect on that aspect of history & worry.


Cassandra (of Troy)

Anonymous Godfrey January 19, 2013 9:24 AM  

Ah... yes, I remember when I was young and naive. When the Soviet empire collapsed I thought a new age had dawned. I remember thinking the troops would soon be home from Europe, Japan and everywhere else. NATO would cease to exist. I looked forward to the “peace dividend” and the vast reduction in military spending that would follow. We’d finally have that long sought after balanced budget. How young and foolish I was back then. How little I understood man’s hubris and his insatiable lust for power and dominance.

Now instead of “communists” under ever bed and in every closet, we have “terrorists” beyond every dark corner and behind every bush.

Thankfully, I’m no longer their fool.

Anonymous Godfrey January 19, 2013 9:33 AM  

Slapbox willie January 19, 2013 6:11 AM What would the early Roman, Greek or Brit empires have done if they had the military superiority America owns today?

Answer: Foolishly misuse it and ultimately collapse




Anonymous Anonymous January 19, 2013 10:11 AM  

Idle Spectator/19Jan2013
RE: Those "tough, ornery bastards"; The Hmong

Before using them as an example, recall that external & internal considerations imposed restraints on what actions could be employed. Recall also that the Pathet Lao were well on the way toward wiping out the Hmong w/ assistance from the ChiComms & Sovs, & that if blowback wasn't a consideration Ivan too could solve their Chechen problem handily. Slapbox Willie has the proper perspective on what the deal is/will be & should you doubt it, grab your U.S. passport & do a tour of the magnificent cities of the C.S.A. then go to your nearest 'Indian' 'reservation' & ask 'em how well their efforts against a restrained U.S. military went.


Cassandra (of Troy)


Blogger Nate January 19, 2013 10:14 AM  

"The collapse of the Soviet Union led to an unwarranted hubris on the part of Americans, particularly the pro-empire ruling class, because the "Morning in America" of the 1980s was a false dawn funded by credit expansion, not genuinely increasing wealth. In retrospect, the retreat from Vietnam and the Iranian hostage crisis appear to have marked the true inflection point."

Korea.

Anonymous scoobius dubious January 19, 2013 10:16 AM  

"The collapse of the Soviet Union led to an unwarranted hubris on the part of Americans, particularly the pro-empire ruling class,"

Unwarranted hubris on the part of the, um, "Americans," not the Americans. There's a difference, as I'm sure you realize.

The end of the Cold War marked the end of an American foreign policy that was at its heart engaged in a defense of Europe, of the West, of, y'know, white people. Americans.

Ever since then the foreign policy has been Israel Israel Israel, all-singing, all-dancing, all Middle East engagement, Israel Uber Alles, exactly as planned. The domestic policy has been all-singing, all-dancing Everything For the Negroes y los Nuevos Americanos, which doesn't actually HELP the negroes one jot, but it does work rather a treat at weakening the people whom YKW wish to be weakened. An army busy chasing its tail in Afghanistan and Iraq, and exhausting the white population for no particularly good reason, is an army that also isn't busy defending a certain southern border. How convenient is that?

It's funny how it was one of theirs who realized that parallel lines eventually meet in extended space, but they don't use that insight in the present. One wonders if they really think the new, brown, selfish, low-IQ stupid America will fight for Israel quite the way the old, white, high IQ yet also stupid, selfless America did. Well, it only goes to show.

Smoking... can ruin your 'ealth.

Anonymous Anonymous January 19, 2013 10:18 AM  

Afghanistan is important to USrael because it borders both Iran and Pakistan. USrael needs to surround Iran, and also needs to keep Pakistan in check.
The war and turmoil in Syria now was fomented by Usrael. The "rebels" in Syria are on USrael's payroll,just like the "rebels" in Libya were financed and controlled by Usrael.
Syria is a stepping stone to a future attack on Iran.
Pakistan has nukes. The country needs to be neutralized in case the Pakis decide to side with Iran in any possible attack on Iran.
World Jewry/AIPAC is drooling for Iran. Afghanistan borders Iran,and the nuked-armed Muslim country of Pakistan -- USrael ain't leaving Afghanistan any time soon.
After the Israeli elections [this month, not sure what day],talk about attacking Iran will be back in the news.
Afghanistan is too strategic to the warmongers to just leave it and forget about it.
It will be interesting to see how the Pakistanis [and Chinese and the Russians]react to any possible attack on Iran by our "holy land" overlords.I use the term Usrael because we are ruled from Jerusalem. That's why "our" politicians Must go to Israel during any election season -- to pay homage to the talmudic overlords.
May you live in interesting times. Joe

Anonymous Mr. Pea January 19, 2013 10:25 AM  

“I can’t think of a time when we’ve had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian.” – Dick Cheney 1998

The Great Gas Game

"This war is between the bankers and the tribes."

The Afghan War: Just the Facts

Video: Gen. David Petraeus: We Can't Leave Afghanistan Now, They Have Trillions of Dollars of Minerals

Of course, leave it to a few who refuse to put their eyeball back in so they can see that they are being mind-pucked. Darn right it is about those Boo-slims! The war on ter-er-er is about creating chaos and using it as a legitimate means to globalize... I mean confiscate, through the backdoor the mineral wealth of those nations.

Why, just say Al Qaeda... Boo. And AmeriKans crap their pants and by extension approve of globalism and a New World Order... which is about controlling RESOURCES... and don't forget, to the Globalists, you TOO are a resource.

AmeriKans still refuse to see that Dial Emergency 9-1-1 was a trauma based predictive programming ops. Now you have 1 Billion Boo-slims in your head.

Meh. Because 1 Billion Boo-slims are at your doorstep to make you bugger sheep and goats, an occasional camel, little boys and girls, and force you all to cut off your woman folks clitoris.

Yep.

Anonymous Mr. Pea January 19, 2013 10:31 AM  

And don't forget, AmeriKa IS the New World Order.

Anonymous Razoraid January 19, 2013 10:31 AM  

From the sound of it, I guess we can censor Bill Maher now.

Anonymous Mr. Pea January 19, 2013 11:00 AM  

"Saudi Air Force sergeant accused of child rape in Vegas..."

Oh my gawd! See? Those nasty Boo-slims! Why, if it wasn't for those nasty Boo-slims, we'd never have a child rape in Amurica ever and ever... because Amuricans never ever do such nasty things!

Why this may be a legitimate news story... the seeds are planted in the colander buckets of the AmeriKan mind.

Bad Boo-slim! Kill them all!

Anonymous The other skeptic January 19, 2013 11:12 AM  

In the mid 1970s the US government sponsored a travelling exhibit for schoolchildren titled, “Population: The Problem is Us.” (Jacqueline Kasun, The War Against Population, San Francisco: CA, Ignatius, 1988, p. 21.)


In 1973, Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart’s vote in Roe v. Wade was influenced by this idea, according to Bob Woodward and Scott Armstrong: “As Stewart saw it, abortion was becoming one reasonable solution to population control” (quoted in Newsweek of September 14, 1987, p. 33.).


Now, where can I find someone who will publish a book showing that private gun ownership will help with population control?

Anonymous The other skeptic January 19, 2013 11:23 AM  


Ted Turner (Atlanta Journal Constitution, Wed. Dec. 2, 1998) in an address to the Society of Environmental Journalists in Chattanooga – blamed Christianity for overpopulation and environmental degradation, and argued that the people who disagree with him are “dummies.” He stated in part, “The Judeo-Christian religion says man was given dominion over everything, and his salvation was that he was to go out and increase and multiply. Well, we have done that … to the point where in Calcutta, it’s a hellhole. So it’s not an environmentally friendly religion.”


From the link above.

Anonymous scoobius dubious January 19, 2013 11:25 AM  

"Why, if it wasn't for those nasty Boo-slims, we'd never have a child rape in Amurica ever and ever..."

A stupid and false distinction. We'd apparently have had one less child rape if we didn't let this particular Muslim settle here; and on net we'd have fewer such abominations if we excluded all Muslims, since Muslims and their Muslim abominations (which are not few) have absolutely no business being here.

Once we have subtracted the Muslim child rapes and honor killings and all the other disgusting, filthy horseshit associated with having to live with vile alien Muslims in one's midst, then whatever other vile native rapes and killings and what-not which we generate on our own, would simply be our own native problem, to deal with in our own fashion.

But the net would be smaller, you'll have to admit. And plus we would be spared ridiculous conversations from the likes of you.

"Bad Boo-slim! Kill them all!"

Fake argument. Now be a quiet and polite imbecile.

Anonymous scoobius dubious January 19, 2013 11:28 AM  

"to the point where in Calcutta, it’s a hellhole."

Ah yes, Calcutta: that bastion of Judeo-Christianity (whatever the hell that might mean, as the two are so different).

Remind me again why people this stupid and cynical always seem to have the podium and the mic? Oh wait, never mind, I answered it myself, didn't I.


Anonymous Anonymous January 19, 2013 11:35 AM  

Anonymous/19Jan2013 @ 10:18 AM,

That observation makes the wishes of the lil' chirren for "a gun free world" more than a bit problematic for the House of Judah both here in the U.S. & back in their homeland. The only thing preventing their extermination (excluding possible Divine Intervention) is those armed (& gullibly fearful) goyim which makes one wonder about just how smart Hebraics actually are & whether their arrogant chutzpah's overruled their vaunted intellect. Sooner or later, their simultaneous promotion of atheism & degenerate practices & use of Genesis 12:3 will be noticed & once that happens the s**t from infuriated goyim will well & truly hit the rear of Judah's fan.

Given their behavior, they really believe that they're exempt from the warning of Proverbs 16:18. I mean damn, people, what's it gonna take before you get the lesson your own (& everyone elses) history should've taught you? Being 'stiffnecked' is an admirable quality up to a point, but when it metastasizes into nakedly contemptuous hubris & overweening sanctimony & one's a minority w/ no real power save the ability to hustle the majority &/or bribe them & one's existence depends on said majority remaining hustled/bribed & BOTH fail, well, let's just say that things tend to go a tad awry.

It's weird, man, just weird, I just don't get it.


Cassandra (of Troy)

Anonymous Mr. Pea January 19, 2013 11:38 AM  

Yes, because Amurica is the epitome of virtue everywhere.

I see you only wave your flag when the Boo-slims come out.

Hold on to yer clitoris Scoobius.

Anonymous Mr. Nightstick January 19, 2013 11:50 AM  

The problem with empires is that they forget how to conquer. What Rome did to Carthage and what the US did to the Native Americans is how you pacify a people. This "partnering" garbage led to the fall of Rome and will be our downfall as well.

Anonymous scoobius dubious January 19, 2013 11:51 AM  

"Yes, because Amurica is the epitome of virtue everywhere.

I see you only wave your flag when the Boo-slims come out."

???????

Sorry, that was a typo. I meant: ???????????????

Anonymous MendoScot January 19, 2013 12:02 PM  

The British go in, they get killed.
The Russians go in, they get killed.
The Americans go in, they get killed.


The Chinese go in, they kill all who oppose.
The children are sent to China, where they will be raised in the best China can offer, and will be sent back as the rulers of the next generation of their own people.
The decimated population will be replaced by ten times their number of Han, who will bring a culture that, for better or worse, will function.
Hope that the Chinese don't arrive, because they will do all the foregoing, that nor Britain, nor the Russians, nor the Allies would.
And grieve for Tibet.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 19, 2013 12:03 PM  

They simply recycle the old scares and tactics

It is unfortunate, though, when they want to convince the public that the real menace is those racissss right-wing racissss anti-vagina child-killing terrorists, the rest of the world fails to cooperate.

Blogger James Dixon January 19, 2013 12:05 PM  

> Bad Boo-slim! Kill them all!

If we had that much sense, we would have the problems we do, now would we?

Blogger Nate January 19, 2013 12:13 PM  

"The Chinese go in, they kill all who oppose."

china isn't coming in. China is not even a super power. Its a walking corpse.

Anonymous Anonymous January 19, 2013 12:14 PM  

-If we had that much sense, we would have the problems we do, now would we?-

Gotta get rid of the 'boos first.

Anonymous cheddarman January 19, 2013 12:25 PM  

"The last day of US Empire, and both its soldiers and enemies know it" - too bad the American people will be the last ones to realize this.

sincerely

cheddarman

Anonymous Gen. Kong January 19, 2013 12:36 PM  

I read that article some time ago - I think it was posted over at Richard Spencer's site (Alternative Right). The thing that your typical jingoistic Republican-supporting idiot seems quite unable to grasp is that the eeeeviiillll Taliban are Afghans doing what men have done from the beginning of human time - fought tooth and nail against foreign invaders. An even greater irony is that while the clueless morons here chant "kill the hadjis" between episodes of National Felons' League games and episodes of College Girls Gone Wild, their treasonous and genocidal ruling class is tirelessly facilitating and enabling the colonization of their own towns, cities and states with a hostile foreign population. Amurika, the land of the Do-Do.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2013 12:39 PM  

Natinoal Felon's League?

STFU and go sit the corner with the other autistics.

Anonymous Gen. Kong January 19, 2013 12:42 PM  

E. Perline:
I read that the main reason the British gave up their empire is that they found colonialism didn't pay.

It certainly didn't pay for the British people. It paid rather handsomely for their squid overlords, however. Ditto for the Banksta Banana Republick and its present day empire. Lloyd "Doin' Godz work" and his fellow squids aren't losing any sleep.

Anonymous DonReynolds January 19, 2013 12:47 PM  

I tend to suspect, there is a bit of indulgence in this issue. When the country is poor, there seems to be a lot more agreement among decision makers about how best to steer the ship of state. The top priorities are obvious to everyone and there is not much money to spend, so there is little question of focus and direction. In the main, that has been the case in American history throughout much of the first 150 years.

But when a country becomes wealthy, as it has been since WWII, or it believes itself to be wealthy, then the decision makers seem to fragment with lower priority activities being considered for public support. After a while, the lower priority activities may become even more popular, so much so that the low priority activities may begin to steal or feed off of money that otherwise would have gone to the high priority activities. We have seen that indulgence already, billions in subsidies for high speed rail and mass transit, but allowing the bridges and interstates to crumble.

No doubt, this same indulgent viewpoint works in foreign affairs as well. While the main purpose (high priority) of the US military is to protect the United States, we now indulge in questionable foreign adventures for purposes that no one has ever bothered to say. Now those irrational foreign interventions have eaten into the high priority activities to the extent that the high prority activities are falling short or failing. This seems to be the case everywhere and affecting everything.

Apparent wealth allows us to diverge from our highest priorities to the point where the lower priority activities eclipse much more important things. Perhaps this is how empires fail after they become wealthy.

Blogger kurt9 January 19, 2013 1:00 PM  

Because you blow down our doors, enter our houses, pull our women by the hair and kick our children.

That's a good reason to hate. If someone did this to me and my family, I would hate them too.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 19, 2013 1:16 PM  


While the main purpose (high priority) of the US military is to protect the United States,


As Mr Pea points out the main purpose of the US military and the Dep't of State is to help those in power enrich themselves and keep their riches.

No doubt, Al Gore's payoff by Big Middle Eastern Oil interests will require that he continue to frustrate domestic interest in developing oil and gas reserves. Perhaps rather than demonizing Christians any further we will see Oil Industry execs demonized and raids on exploration sites with claims that they didn't pay some $200 permit or something.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 19, 2013 1:16 PM  

Some people think we (the Americans) are the New Romans, but that's not quite right. Some things are similar, but we don't approach empire quite the same way. Well, in the initial phases we do. The first couple times Rome had trouble with a people, they would send the legions in, kill or drive off the leaders, and tell the people essentially "we dealt with the people causing the problems, we have no beef with you, live your lives as you see fit, just don't trouble us again." We do that too.

But if Rome kept having trouble, they'd assume the people were the problem, sell them all into slavery, and colonize the place. We don't do that part.

So our new, nice-guy strategy works great with reasonably intelligent and sensible people like the Japanese and Germans. They were smart enough to realize we made better friends than enemies after just one go-round. But the afghanis with their average IQ of 82 don't get that. Everybody ends up fighting there because everybody ends up having trouble come out of there.

Oh sure, they can pride themselves that the invader always eventually leaves, but never before killing and bombing the crap out of the place.

They're too stupid to live and we're too kind to kill them. What a world.

Anonymous Gen. Kong January 19, 2013 1:18 PM  

Sorry Nate, but watching any sports on TV just enriches the enemy. All the stations are owned by the enemy and all the teams are owned by the enemy. Turning off the television is a greater act of rebellion against the ruling oligarchy than putting a bullet though a cop's head. As I mentioned on the other thread, dh - despite being a loathsome leftist - is essentially correct: there aren't anything approaching the numbers in this country capable of mounting an effective resistance to the approaching totalitarianism. They can't even be bothered to turn off the f-ing television or remove their own kids from government indoctrination centers. They were warned about the government school gulag two decades ago by even the pathetic Dobson, among others. Few could be bothered to heed the warnings. I expect that option will be closed off soon, as it already is in Sweden and other parts of the EUSSR.

In case you've not been following the latest fiasco from Williamsburg, VA, the Bathhouse Repukes have already surrendered to D'Won on the debt cieling. They've likely already surrendered on amnesty for illegals and gun control as well, but haven't admitted it yet. For all intents and purposes, there is absolutely no one standing in the way of the Mocha Messiah and his minions in their program to establish of a full-blown totalitarian state. Once the illegals are amnestied, it will be a one-party state along the lines of South Africa, since they will be citizens with full voting rights. It's basically a done deal. If I'm wrong about this, I'll gladly admit it, but my summary of the situation is probably accurate (even if very unpleasant).

Anonymous jspooner January 19, 2013 1:20 PM  

The Taliban thought it was a good idea to team up with Al Queda, and Al Queda thought it was a good idea to Murder thousands of Americans.

I totally agree the US cannot afford an empire. But that is not the same thing as paying the Taliban an extended visit.

They don't like it much I'm sure. So what.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 19, 2013 1:24 PM  


and Al Queda thought it was a good idea to Murder thousands of Americans.


Are they the same Al Queda that blew up the Maine?

Anonymous p-dawg January 19, 2013 1:34 PM  

@jspooner - so, when a bunch of Saudis do something, we should go after the people who teamed up with them instead of them? Makes perfect sense. I know when a guy picks a bar fight with me, I always make sure to punch his friend instead.

Anonymous Just Mark January 19, 2013 1:36 PM  

Mr Khan should be made mindful of the etymology of his own name. He is of Mongol descent and carries a Mongol surname.

If he is correct and China moves in would anyone be surprised if 200 years from now the most dominant name in Afghanistan was Li?

China won't be their friend either China's historical proclivity for remorseless killing is well documented.

For this reason perhaps the Muslim problem is best left to them. Kill the men, take the women. All the rest of us need do is turn a blind eye.

Anonymous Gen. Kong January 19, 2013 1:37 PM  

Are they the same Al Queda that blew up the Maine?

Those AQ guys have been busy a long time! I think they burned down the Reichstag as well. Probably piloted torpedo boats in the Gulf of Tonkin too.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 19, 2013 1:39 PM  

These attacks by blacks on white women seem to be getting more frequent.

Blogger Bob Wallace January 19, 2013 1:49 PM  

@Slapbox Willie,

"Well, if we used our military capacity to it's full extent we wouldn't have to listen to the ramblings of some goat fking pedophile tribal leader and would have empire established by now.
What would the early Roman, Greek or Brit empires have done if they had the military superiority America owns today?"

Spoken like someone who has no intention of going to the Middle and committing the genocide you so lightly speak about.

Anonymous scoobius dubious January 19, 2013 1:54 PM  

"These attacks by blacks on white women seem to be getting more frequent."

Yes, we obviously need more common-sense negro restrictions and increased state and federal regulation of fully-grown male negroes, in order to ensure greater negro safety.

If it saves the life of just one person, it will be worth it, right?

Call and write your congressman today. Demand basic common-sense negro control, as well as sensible state and federal legislation, plus presidential executive orders if necessary, in order to restrict the violence of the fully-grown male negro.

What is your president doing to cut down on uncontrolled negro violence against human beings? Demand answers today! It's for the children!

Anonymous The other skeptic January 19, 2013 1:56 PM  


China won't be their friend either China's historical proclivity for remorseless killing is well documented.


Sure, but why get involved in the Graveyard of Empires when there are easier targets, like territory that was, at one time, part of China and which also has plenty of resources and conveniently already has Han settlers?

Anonymous Anonymous January 19, 2013 2:00 PM  

It's remarkable that we Americans are encouraged to hate and to want to kill Muslims in their own homelands, while simultaneously, there's so much cultural pressure to treat the newly arrived Muslim immigrants in the utmost politically correct way.
It's insane. It's schizophrenic. It's a mind f*ck.It's cognitive dissonance.
The truly patriotic way would be to stop the wars against the Muslim people(s)period, and to close our borders and stop immigration period.
I never heard of open borders during war time, by the way, whether one supports Uncle Sam's wars or not. [I'm against all the wars ]. It doesn't make sense to have open borders and massive immigration while out fighting wars.
But that doesn't benefit the jews, so we're constantly bombarded with mixed messages -- kill Muslims in their home countries, treat them wih the utmost respect if they are newly arrived immigrants.
It may be the last days of Uncle Sam's empire, but Uncle Sam still packs a powerful punch, and the jews are going to use the US military to grab as many resources in the Middle East and elsewhere for their criminal syndicate country they call israel.
It's amazing to me that so many of my fellow Americans go along with the program. The evangelical Christians who love israel so much have their heads so far up their assholes, it makes me sick.They worship the talmud, not Christ, whether the gung-ho Christians realize it or not.
After the empire crashes, we Americans will be living in a third world country [ it's becoming increasingly third world with every passing year], while the trillionaires and billionaires throw us all into slavery. That's why the jews want to disarm us. Read the history of the Soviet Union. Joe

Blogger Nate January 19, 2013 2:09 PM  

"Sorry Nate, but watching any sports on TV just enriches the enemy. All the stations are owned by the enemy and all the teams are owned by the enemy. Turning off the television is a greater act of rebellion against the ruling oligarchy than putting a bullet though a cop's head. "

No moron. Turning off the television does literally nothing.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 19, 2013 2:09 PM  

CNN Does not like people who question the media so beware!

Anonymous The other skeptic January 19, 2013 2:11 PM  


No moron. Turning off the television does literally nothing.


Well, it does save some power.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2013 2:11 PM  

"If he is correct and China moves in would anyone be surprised if 200 years from now the most dominant name in Afghanistan was Li?

China won't be their friend either China's historical proclivity for remorseless killing is well documented."

China doesn't have the money to wipe its own ass. You think its going to conquer the Graveyard of Empires?

Here's a clue... Rome was far more brutal than China is... Rome was richer as well.

Anonymous Godfrey January 19, 2013 2:14 PM  

Who would have thought that one of the worst things that could happen to the USA would be the collapse of the Soviets?

It's been downhill since thanks in large part to the wickedly stupid Bush family.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 19, 2013 2:16 PM  

Government further demonizes gun owners

Anonymous Noah B. January 19, 2013 2:20 PM  

"Who would have thought that one of the worst things that could happen to the USA would be the collapse of the Soviets?"

The Soviets never were the threat they were portrayed to be. The Cold War was all a big lie to justify giving more power to the government.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 19, 2013 2:27 PM  

Some groups worry about unconventional stuff

Anonymous Noah B. January 19, 2013 2:34 PM  

"Once the illegals are amnestied, it will be a one-party state along the lines of South Africa, since they will be citizens with full voting rights."

Something about the immigration issue doesn't add up for me. While this is the scenario a lot of people are afraid of, immigration laws are being enforced much more stringently under Obama than they were under Bush. Deportations are up. Illegal immigration is down.

While I agree with your logic Gen Kong, the facts as I'm aware of them seem to tell a different story. Perhaps it's not true that deportations are up, but this is information that I've found buried in the news rather than loudly trumpeted, as their propaganda normally is.

"No moron. Turning off the television does literally nothing."

You're being a bit pedantic here Nate. Canceling cable, newspaper subscriptions, etc. deprives the media of their profits. It is the first step that anyone seriously concerned with liberty in this country should take.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 19, 2013 2:39 PM  


Something about the immigration issue doesn't add up for me. While this is the scenario a lot of people are afraid of, immigration laws are being enforced much more stringently under Obama than they were under Bush. Deportations are up. Illegal immigration is down.


Governments around the world routinely lie about the violence levels in their countries.

Has this data been audited? Is it possible that it is just the administration lying about what is happening? Of course, they have never lied before, so perhaps I am just being paranoid.

Anonymous Noah B. January 19, 2013 2:43 PM  

Paranoia is a healthy instinct these days.

Blogger kurt9 January 19, 2013 2:45 PM  

but we don't approach empire quite the same way.

Until the latter stages, Rome was an example of a competent empire. We are what Jerry Pournelle characterizes as an "imcompetent" empire, which is why it will go away faster than Rome did.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 19, 2013 2:52 PM  

Savage has long-range rifle chambered in 6.5mm Creedmoor. The 12 series, I think. Of course, by the time you add a scope, you will be paying $1,500 or more. A good quality bipod won't cost much, though.

Blogger ajw308 January 19, 2013 2:54 PM  

The Soviets never were the threat they were portrayed to be.
When we were feeding them for a decade and their newest fighter looked exactly like something we've had for over a decade, I wondered what was really up.

Our empire has a lot of soft citizens and is importing barbarians. Where we're not importing the barbarians, we're importing their culture and religion. It's almost like destructive devices are being planted on key junctures of our structure, but it's not like that's been done before (famous buildings excluded, of course).

Anonymous Anonymous January 19, 2013 3:00 PM  

Yes, we obviously need more common-sense negro restrictions and increased state and federal regulation of fully-grown male negroes, in order to ensure greater negro safety.
We need to limit the size of the Negro family. No longer being an agricultural society, there is no need for more than 3 children. Why would anyone ever need 4, or more, childen.

Anon Raciss

Anonymous The other skeptic January 19, 2013 3:03 PM  


The Soviets never were the threat they were portrayed to be.


Of course they were a threat. Their failure to be regarded as a serious threat was a threat to the income of the armaments industry and the livelihood of many arms industry employees.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 19, 2013 3:07 PM  

Outlaw X, does your ballistics software run on Android? Can you make the source available if you are no longer selling it?

Anonymous Noah B. January 19, 2013 3:17 PM  

I would also be interested in the source to your ballistics program. I wrote a very primitive form of one in a computational physics class but never wrote anything that was sufficient for real-world use.

Anonymous 11B January 19, 2013 3:22 PM  

Something about the immigration issue doesn't add up for me. While this is the scenario a lot of people are afraid of, immigration laws are being enforced much more stringently under Obama than they were under Bush. Deportations are up. Illegal immigration is down.

Here are a few things to remember:

1) Maybe with the economic downturn the rate of flow of illegals across the border is less now than 5 years ago. But what about the ones who are already here? Think if you had a pipe spewing water at the rate of 100 gallons/minute for several minutes into your basement. Now someone turns a spigot and reduces that rate of flow to a trickle. Does this mean your basement is now OK?

2)My observation test as a resident of the Midwest, an area BTW that was never part of Spanish colonial rule, is that there is no decrease in illegals, or at least in the presence of a non too insignificant number of them. The march of Spanish as our second official language is steaming ahead unhindered which is very strange given that to become a US citizen, one must demonstrate an understanding of English, or at least that was how it was when my dad came. So it seems odd that all these newly minted US citizens would need Spanish language services. Which leads me to believe that most of my new Mestizo neighbors are probably illegal.

3) Remember that technically the Government can eliminate illegal immigration overnight by simply amnestying the lot of them. At that point we'd have zero illegal immigrants and they could report the problem has been solved. But I don't think that is the type of solution most on this blog are seeking.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 19, 2013 3:58 PM  

Be afraid of the robotic black helicopters

Anonymous Herman the German January 19, 2013 4:02 PM  

"The Chinese go in, they kill all who oppose."

NATE: china isn't coming in. China is not even a super power. Its a walking corpse.


---Hmnn, so was Germany after the Treaty of Versailles... Food for thought, anyway.

Anonymous Noah B. January 19, 2013 4:07 PM  

You are on a roll today, other skeptic.

Anonymous Axe Head January 19, 2013 4:22 PM  

My own opinion is that the high water mark of America was about 1960. It's been downhill from there.

Anonymous DonReynolds January 19, 2013 4:26 PM  

Noah B. ....."Something about the immigration issue doesn't add up for me. While this is the scenario a lot of people are afraid of, immigration laws are being enforced much more stringently under Obama than they were under Bush. Deportations are up. Illegal immigration is down."

Unnoticed by most Americans, the Obama administration is claiming to have increased deportations, which is not technically a lie. You see, deportation has been redefined....yes, redefined by the Obama liars. Now anytime an illegal alien is removed from one state to another, it is counted as a deportation! It does not matter if the illegal alien is never REMOVED from this country, but later released back into the general population. We see this especially when an illegal alien has worn out his welcome in one state....i.e. racked up some felony charges....then the Feds will remove him, saying he is being deported. Wink. Wink. He is just being "deported" to another state and released.

Haven't you noticed Noah, the only time the Liberals want to call for deportation is when the illegal alien is facing the death penalty or long-term incarceration? It is their get-out-of-jail free card. But under the Obama administration, that deportation usually means being removed to another state across the country.

Anonymous Noah B. January 19, 2013 4:29 PM  

Well, it's hardly a surprise that they'd be lying about this too. Thanks for the explanation, Don.

Anonymous DonReynolds January 19, 2013 4:42 PM  

11B...."3) Remember that technically the Government can eliminate illegal immigration overnight by simply amnestying the lot of them. At that point we'd have zero illegal immigrants and they could report the problem has been solved. But I don't think that is the type of solution most on this blog are seeking."

We already did that, bro. In 1986, Ronald Reagan signed the bill into law that gave amnesty to a million illegal aliens with two important promises that make the compromise work.....1) Amnesty will never never happen again, and 2) Total workplace enforcement, including heavy fines and jail time for any employer that dares to hire someone in the country illegally.

The FOOLS went for the compromise measure. What started out as a million illegal aliens ended up being 4 million by the time they all squeaked through the amnesty door. (That alone could describe the margin of victory for Obamba in 2012.) But we NEVER GOT workplace enforcement, no mandatory e-Verify, no prosecution of those employers who knowingly hire (and replace American citizens with) illegal aliens, no crackdown on identity theft and phoney Social Security numbers, no border enforcement. They got their amnesty but we got NOTHING that was promised to solve the problem in the future. We were played for suckers and we got what we deserved, so there will be no more deals.

Anonymous Idle Spectator January 19, 2013 4:50 PM  

Yes, I recall how the Albanians, led by a bunch of drug running muzzie scum, had NATO do their dirty work and kill Serbs while they ran dope and teen hookers into Europe. Them good ole boys in Appalachia will also have to face the internationalista when the pimps let loose again.

So they tend to be tough, ornery bastards, exactly as described? Thanks for reiterating my exact point.


On Scots-Irish:

The Scotch-Irish were generally ardent supporters of American Independence from Britain in the 1770s. In Pennsylvania, Virginia, and most of the Carolinas, support for the revolution was "practically unanimous." One Hessian officer said, "Call this war by whatever name you may, only call it not an American rebellion; it is nothing more or less than a Scotch Irish Presbyterian rebellion." A British major general testified to the House of Commons that "half the rebel Continental Army were from Ireland". Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, with its large Scotch-Irish population, was to make the first declaration for independence from Britain in the Mecklenburg Declaration of 1775.

The Scotch-Irish "Overmountain Men" of Virginia and North Carolina formed a militia which won the Battle of Kings Mountain in 1780, resulting in the British abandonment of a southern campaign, and for some historians "marked the turning point of the American Revolution"."



Before using them as an example, recall that external & internal considerations imposed restraints on what actions could be employed. Recall also that the Pathet Lao were well on the way toward wiping out the Hmong w/ assistance from the ChiComms & Sovs, & that if blowback wasn't a consideration Ivan too could solve their Chechen problem handily. Slapbox Willie has the proper perspective on what the deal is/will be & should you doubt it, grab your U.S. passport & do a tour of the magnificent cities of the C.S.A. then go to your nearest 'Indian' 'reservation' & ask 'em how well their efforts against a restrained U.S. military went.

Indians are mountain people? Serious reading comprenhension problems, part II.

It took assistance from China and Soviet Union to try and wipe the Hmong out. And yet, 5 million Hmong are still here with us. Now Mr. Professor, why do you think that is? There's a reason so many Hmong end up in jail after immigrating to the United States. Is it because they are tough, ornery bastards?


On Chechens:

Handle the problem handily...? //facepalm

"According to popular tradition, the Russian term "Chechen" comes from the name of the village of Chechen-Aul, where the Chechens defeated Russian soldiers in 1732. The word "Chechen", however, occurs in Russian sources as early as 1692 and the Russians probably derived it from the Kabardian "Shashan"."

You don't say? Tell me more!

"The official figure for Russian military deaths is 5,500, while most estimates put the number between 3,500 and 7,500, or even as high as 14,000. Although there are no accurate figures for the number of Chechen militants killed, various estimates put the number at about 3,000 to over 15,000 deaths. Various figures estimate the number of civilian deaths at between 30,000 and 100,000 killed and possibly over 200,000 injured, while more than 500,000 people were displaced by the conflict, which left cities and villages across the republic in ruins."

Keep in mind, Chechnya only has about 1.3 million people in it. And this is just the First Chechen War (1994-1996).

The Second Chechen War lasted almost TEN YEARS (1999-2009). The Russians had to raze the capital Grozny, THREE TIMES in less than 20 years. The population is only 2/3 of what it used to be. Yeaaaaah, I'm sure they got'em right where they want'em!

Like I said originally: Chechens are tough, ornery bastards.

Anonymous Idle Spectator January 19, 2013 4:53 PM  

The Chinese go in, they kill all who oppose.
The children are sent to China, where they will be raised in the best China can offer, and will be sent back as the rulers of the next generation of their own people.
The decimated population will be replaced by ten times their number of Han, who will bring a culture that, for better or worse, will function.
Hope that the Chinese don't arrive, because they will do all the foregoing, that nor Britain, nor the Russians, nor the Allies would.
And grieve for Tibet.


Do you seriously just compare Afghanistan to Tibet? Yes, they are both mountainous and isolated, and yes, they both served as buffer states. But beyond that, they are nothing alike.

For one thing, Afghanistan is full of Afghanis, while Tibet is full of Tibetans. I forgot the exact figures, but something like 1/3 of all male Tibetans were Buddhist monks and 1/3 of the women were nuns with 6000 or something monasteries. That right there is going to cut down your fighting population.

The Han settlers in Tibet are having a terrible time due to the high altitude, and rice is harder to cultivate which the Han like. Tibetans eat roasted barley as tsampa. Not too crazy about the yak butter either.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2013 5:08 PM  

"---Hmnn, so was Germany after the Treaty of Versailles... Food for thought, anyway."

If you want to see the boogie man behind every impoverished nation.. go ahead.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2013 5:11 PM  

"You're being a bit pedantic here Nate. Canceling cable, newspaper subscriptions, etc. deprives the media of their profits. It is the first step that anyone seriously concerned with liberty in this country should take."

Horse. Shit. Your little self imposed ban is not even drop in a bucket. Hell its barely a drop in an ocean.

Anonymous Noah B. January 19, 2013 5:24 PM  

In other words, since the actions of one individual are seldom significant, might as well do nothing. Sounds like a great philosophy to me.

Anonymous Josh January 19, 2013 5:30 PM  

You're being a bit pedantic here Nate. Canceling cable, newspaper subscriptions, etc. deprives the media of their profits. It is the first step that anyone seriously concerned with liberty in this country should take.

Newspaper subscriptions? Aside from the AARP folks, who still subscribes to newspapers?

Anonymous scoobius dubious January 19, 2013 5:42 PM  

"who still subscribes to newspapers?"

NEWSPAPER SUBSCRIPTION (noun; archaic): a method of indicating to prospective burglars whether you are, or are not, at home. Why anyone would actually do this is no longer known.




Anonymous MendoScot January 19, 2013 6:13 PM  

china isn't coming in. China is not even a super power. Its a walking corpse.

With a lot of momentum. A sixth of the world's population will have its say, one way or another. Demographics can be adjusted out of the barrel of a gun.

Anonymous MendoScot January 19, 2013 6:28 PM  

For one thing, Afghanistan is full of Afghanis, while Tibet is full of Tibetans. I forgot the exact figures, but something like 1/3 of all male Tibetans were Buddhist monks and 1/3 of the women were nuns with 6000 or something monasteries. That right there is going to cut down your fighting population.

No. Two thirds of Tibet are no longer recognized as such - the provinces of Amdo and Kham, now incorporated into various Chinese provinces. If you look at the location of the current "Tibetan troubles" you'll see something very odd - they don't occur within the Tibetan Autonomous Region.

The Khamba are direct descendents of the Mongols. When the Chinese talk about their historical claim to Tibet, they fail to mention that it was a Tibetan warlord who sat on the Dragon Throne, not a Han in the Potala.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2013 6:30 PM  

"With a lot of momentum. A sixth of the world's population will have its say, one way or another. Demographics can be adjusted out of the barrel of a gun."

Demographics is the chisel working away on china's tombstone son. Its the most rapidly aging population in the world.

Anonymous FrankBrady January 19, 2013 6:50 PM  

@Anonymous, posting as Cassandra (of Troy)

Rather makes the point that when one isn't all that interested in slaves or serfs, the complete extermination of the indigenous population is a very effective means of achieving one's goals & a China unconstrained by the U.S. &/or Russia fits that criteria quite well given their traditional ruthlessness & the willingness & ability to accept massive casualties.

Perhaps--except the Genghis Khan's Mongols were NOT Chinese.

Anonymous MendoScot January 19, 2013 6:53 PM  

Demographics is the chisel working away on china's tombstone son.

Agreed. And they know it. And they can imagine a solution. Lebensraum.

Its the most rapidly aging population in the world.

You're only as old as your unpaired male population. I'd do her, and I've been married for nigh on twenty.

Anonymous scoobius dubious January 19, 2013 7:01 PM  

"Demographics is the chisel working away on china's tombstone son. Its the most rapidly aging population in the world."

This is rather short-term thinking. I believe I recall a time only a few centuries ago, when the Black Death wiped out about 1/3 the population of Europe. Shortly after this "tombstone" event, the Europeans began to spread out and take over most of planet earth. The Spaniards "wiped out" the Aztecs through disease, warfare and attrition, and yet right now as we speak, those pesky Aztecs are somehow busy wiping out the Europeans. Huh.

The physical geographical area of China is roughly equal to the US lower 48. They could literally shed more than 60% of their population and still have demographic parity with the US or better, which would be more than enough to populate China and also field whatever transglobal projects they felt like. Remember, back in the 1940s when the US conquered half the planet, there were only about 120 million Americans. They just happened to be the right kind of Americans.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 19, 2013 7:32 PM  


Demographics is the chisel working away on china's tombstone son. Its the most rapidly aging population in the world.


I could have sworn that I saw mention of eliminating the one-child policy recently.

Also, even the authorities believe that only 35% of the population is subject to it and that there is wide-spread flouting of the policy.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 19, 2013 7:38 PM  

World War Two saw a massive increase in debt/GDP ratios, but we were fighting for our survival as a country.

Does it make you think the guy knows what he is talking about when you see statements like that?

Falsus in unum ...

Anonymous The other skeptic January 19, 2013 9:12 PM  

Well-known fudge packer not happy about William Shatner

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis January 19, 2013 9:45 PM  

With a lot of momentum. A sixth of the world's population will have its say, one way or another. Demographics can be adjusted out of the barrel of a gun.

Their say will be directed at their leadership while their economy and government begin to fragment. We need to remember, no where in history, ever, has a nation with a declining population ever been a world super power. China's leaders have recently elected demographic suicide despite knowing that their replacement rate is disastrously low.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2013 10:04 PM  

"I could have sworn that I saw mention of eliminating the one-child policy recently."

Sure...

I know I know... FoxNews and CNN all talk about big scary China. Keep thinking about china. Keep ignoring the Bear dominating world politics.

Anonymous Godfrey January 19, 2013 10:27 PM  

Enter the dragon...

I'd almost welcome it.

Anonymous Idle Spectator January 19, 2013 10:41 PM  

No. Two thirds of Tibet are no longer recognized as such - the provinces of Amdo and Kham, now incorporated into various Chinese provinces. If you look at the location of the current "Tibetan troubles" you'll see something very odd - they don't occur within the Tibetan Autonomous Region.

No. When I say Tibetan, I am referring to the nationality, not the individual ethnic groups. Hence using the nationality "Afghan" (or could have used Afghanistani) instead of the ethnic term Pashtun or the other groups. They've been arguing about Amdo and Kham since before 1950 when the Chinese invaded. See also the 1930 Sino-Tibetan War with the 13th Dalai Lama and the 1934 Khamba Rebellion with the 14th Dalai Lama Regency. THAT is the backdrop that the current 14th Dalai Lama found himself in when he was enthroned along with the Chinese invasion.

The Khamba are direct descendents of the Mongols. When the Chinese talk about their historical claim to Tibet, they fail to mention that it was a Tibetan warlord who sat on the Dragon Throne, not a Han in the Potala.

Yes. Hence the term "Dalai Lama" (from the first, Pema Dorje) from the Mongols, specifically Altan Khan. Notice the Tibetans -> Indians -> Mongols -> Bhutanese that are close. Tibetan is based off Sanskrit, NOT Chinese.

Anonymous MendoScot January 19, 2013 10:59 PM  

A billion people will take a while to disappear, even at below replacement reproduction.

A culture that emphasizes racial and familial continuity. A mountain of cash and a substantial male-female discrepancy in the younger generation.

Not just yellow, slanty-eyed Westerners with peculiar dietary habits who read back to front and top down.

I'm intrigued by the silence regarding the long-running Sino-Soviet border dispute. They wouldn't be hiding something there, would they? A few atolls of the coast are of key strategic significance, but all that space and water to the North?

Anonymous MendoScot January 19, 2013 11:29 PM  

They've been arguing about Amdo and Kham since before 1950 when the Chinese invaded. See also the 1930 Sino-Tibetan War with the 13th Dalai Lama and the 1934 Khamba Rebellion with the 14th Dalai Lama Regency. THAT is the backdrop that the current 14th Dalai Lama found himself in when he was enthroned along with the Chinese invasion.

I'm well aware of the Khamba's role in rebelling first against Lhasa, then against the Red Army, and that it was they that maintained the armed conflict into the late 60's. It's been over thirty years since they lost that one to the Chinese policy of genocide.

The sticking point in the negotiations between the Chinese and the Dalai Lama is precisely his refusal to cede two thirds of the historical Tibet to China. They may not have liked the corrupt and venal government in Lhasa, but their life of "a horse, a rifle and a woman" was more deeply threatened by Communism than Bhuddism.

Now who else lives by the horse, rifle and woman (in that order)? In the mountains? Bordering on China?

The Chinese managed it once, even if it took them fifty years. Just wait for the excuse that they have been invited in to protect the Afghanis (yes, I know there is no such identity) from Western incursion and Sunni extremism.

The Red Army has been occupying the Tibetan Plateau for half a century, it wouldn't be like it was in the past.

Anonymous Gerd January 20, 2013 12:30 AM  

Sadly, I peg the decline to the Korean war. America was rightly proud of its accomplishments in the 1940's era and rightly so.
However, it now became apparent that America did not desire to win wars. They had conflicts that never seemed to resolve in a positive way.
Politicians more than any other enemy has effectively eviscerated American Amrmed Forces. The U.S. can not even protect our consulate personnel. 50 years ago America was made of sterner stuff.

How sad.

Anonymous Mr. Pea January 20, 2013 1:13 AM  

Undoubtedly Scoobius, you've been wearing your chasity belt since Dial Emergency 9-1-1...

Amurica teaches virtue.

America's culture has come a long way since the 60s. For decades it has resembled a filthy sewer and shows no signs of returning to decency. Children are being sexualized with markets targeting little girls as young as kindergarten age. Cable television (which includes ABC, CBS, NBC) has become nothing more than a purveyor of soft porn. Sexual imagery is everywhere. The filth used to be confined to porn channels like HBO, Cinemax and others which I have never had in my home. Now, it's the 'big three' (ABC, CBS, NBC) and all the other networks that consistently pump sin and sex into households every night of the week.

Damn Boo-slims! Look what they have done to us!

Amurica. Cleaning the worlds porch.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 20, 2013 2:32 AM  

Demographics is the chisel working away on china's tombstone son.

Agreed. And they know it. And they can imagine a solution. Lebensraum.


That makes negative sense. Lebensraum is what you need for a growing population. China needs children, not elbow room.

I could have sworn that I saw mention of eliminating the one-child policy recently.

Yes. The mention you heard was that they didn't eliminate it. They kept it in place.

China's economy is struggling, the population, having gotten a slight taste of prosperity is restless as growth slows, and the coastal-interior split is forming up again. China will consume itself in an implosion soon. They may cause a fair amount of havoc between now and then, but they are not the next rising power. I don't think there is a next rising power at the moment. I think everybody's going to be too busy fighting their neighbors soon to worry about fighting people across the globe.

Anonymous MendoScot January 20, 2013 9:17 AM  

That makes negative sense. Lebensraum is what you need for a growing population. China needs children, not elbow room.

Would it help if I typed more slowly? China cannot continue to expand it's population within its current borders. Push those borders out, and it can.

Anonymous Elmer (just plain ole Elmer, ya know, like in yogert) January 20, 2013 10:50 AM  

Few select people here will perform the following: (not sure a single one of your here will)

Netflix is required here. A streaming account only will do. Watch 9th Company. [1] About soviet paratroopers in Afghanistan, in the last year of that campaign, up to the day of withdrawal in January 1989. It is a Russian film, with English subtitles. I think a good parallel American film is The Siege of Firebase Gloria. (interesting enough made in '89). One wants to see R. Lee Ermey at his best (better than FMJ), see this. Some say, the best war film of all time. (that coming from combat veterans).

In the Marines, while I was stationed in Japan (81/82), I worked with one SSGT, who was the lone survivor of his company, in Vietnam action. Consider that, watching 9th Company. It is a bit eerie, at the end of the film, especially the type of ending, that a paradigm shift was about to occur, some months later that same year.

I rather not charge most here, with "herd mentality," but it seems most here, won't believe the news until it is reported by the MSM. (or at least Drudge) Another wall is about to fall. This one, non-physical. It is not made of concrete or iron. It has existed long before the wall of Berlin. When it began, there is probably no consensus. But, it is about to fall. [2] Funny, that this coming event, is due in large part, to that same entity [of person(s)] that brought down the first wall (made of concrete and iron) ...

Now to reiterate that nothing (even a seeming paradigm shift) is a panacea, a simultaneous shift is occurring. This may portend to be a true paradox. It seems we are on the verge to be freed from one tyranny, to be encompassed upon a far greater one, that there seems no earthly solution. Who said this kosmos we reside is boring?




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[1] Amazon will do here as well.

[2] Imminent means "about the happen."

Blogger Nate January 20, 2013 11:34 AM  

"
Would it help if I typed more slowly? China cannot continue to expand it's population within its current borders. Push those borders out, and it can."

What?

Are you so bloody ignorant that you don't realize that China has built massive cities that are entirely unpopulated?

China could literally had millions and millions of people just fine within its borders. China's labor boom came from hundreds of millions of rural farmers moving to the cities. All that land they came from? Its still there.

Anonymous jspooner January 20, 2013 2:44 PM  

@pdawg:
I apologize for responding way to late to your comment.

Now I will make the classic error of arguing analogy with analogy

No, the distinction being that what has happened in your hypothetical bar fight is that a group of guys, taliban and al queda together just gutted your pal with a knife. so you just shot the lot of them.

Seems viable to me. The bar fight analogy I think better applies to us then heading for Iraq, Libya, Mali, etc etc etc and looking for more fights to get into.

That was the mistake. No matter how inconvenient a thing like the sep 11 attacks could not go un answered. because the rest of the thugs in your bar are watching.

Blogger ajw308 January 20, 2013 5:28 PM  

China's labor boom came from hundreds of millions of rural farmers moving to the cities.
It's my understanding that China's rural farmers are illiterate and are incapable of learning the aspects of assembling iPhones. I'm not talking about the manual labor, but the understanding the anti-static safeguards or filling out the quality control & production paperwork.

Those are the people it's rounding up and moving into cities. They have no place in a modern nation, living in a city. I don't see them as being useful to China.

Anonymous AAB January 21, 2013 4:38 AM  

'With a lot of momentum. A sixth of the world's population will have its say, one way or another. Demographics can be adjusted out of the barrel of a gun.'

Given the fact that China has had 1/6 of the worlds population for more than a few hundred years and still had no great globe conquering empire, I doubt that they will now, even with 1.3 billion. China is just not an expansionist culture. They stopped exploring the world pre-1400, when they had compasses, gunpowder and a boot full of other technologies.

They'll set up their overseas Chinatowns, and export goods to the 'motherland' but probably not colonize to the extent that other Imperial powers have done.

Anonymous Big Bill January 21, 2013 1:39 PM  

Nate: "No moron. Turning off the television does literally nothing."

I turned it off over 25 years ago and never looked back. My daughters don't dress like whores or watch them on TV. They think for themselves, they are feminine and do not have the typical feminist's schizophrenia about babies. There are countless other wonderful things that "turning off the television" does.

TV is like Pravda. It works on your mind even if you know it is all a lie.

One unexpected advantage: when one stops watching TV one's love of Negro sports attenuates rapidly. This frees up a great deal of time and metal energy. I have found myself reading and discussing things of substance with other men rather than water-cooler hooting about Tyroil Smoochie-Wallace's latest play against D'Squarius Green.

Anonymous A Visitor January 21, 2013 8:45 PM  

"The Soviets never were the threat they were portrayed to be."

Look at our schools, media, and culture today. It is a direct result of Communist infiltration of the United States, carried out by the Soviet Union and its minions here.

Yes, they weren't a military threat (Cuban Missile Crisis excepted, of course). They were and still are (through their legacy) a threat to the cultural underpinnings of our republic.

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