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Monday, January 21, 2013

Genetics vs Geographics

Mexifornia arrives as the grand experiment in replacing Anglos with Aztecs continues apace:
California's Hispanic population is slated to become the state's majority ethnicity by the end of this year according to a new report by the governor's office. New ethnicity trends outlined in Gov Jerry Brown's 2013-14 budget proposal revealed the state's expected new majority while reasoning the state’s declining birth rates and increasing migration as causes.As early as July Hispanics are expected to be equal in size to non-Hispanic whites before outpacing them, according to the report, with both demographics in that month reaching 39 per cent of the population.
Now, if the Left's Geographic theory that human behavior is predominantly determined by the physical location of the human being is correct, California should prosper and its economy should boom with all of these hardworking immigrants seeking the prosperity and opportunity afforded them by the environment and infrastructure there.  If, on the other hand, the Genetic theory is correct and the Aztecs are qualitatively inferior to the declining Anglos in some capacity, we should expect to see California continue to rapidly decline by a broad panoply of metrics and the infrastructure break down as the political preferences of the majority Hispanic population, which has no connection whatsoever to the historic Constitution, traditional American ideology, and the Rights of Englishmen upon which the United States was originally founded.

I'm just curious what it will take for advocates of the Geographic theory to give it up.  California declaring bankruptcy?  The complete elimination of the white race from the state?  California seceding and joining Mexico?  The construction of pyramids and resumption of human sacrifice?  Or is your faith in it simply unshakeable by evidence?

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Blogger James Dixon January 21, 2013 11:36 AM  

> I'm just curious what it will take for advocates of the Geographic theory to give it up.

They will never give it up as long as they live.

Anonymous Tad January 21, 2013 11:37 AM  

@Vox Day

I'm just curious what it will take for advocates of the Geographic theory to give it up. California declaring bankruptcy? The complete elimination of the white race from the state? California seceding and joining Mexico? The construction of pyramids and resumption of human sacrifice?

There will be no bankruptsy. There will be no elimination of any race. There will be no secession. There will be no Pyramids. And there will be no human sacrifice.

There will be what there has been: immigrant assimilation into the American culture ruled by individual achievement, free market ideology, self determination and democracy and a fierce dedication to individual rights.

It will be as it has been for 200 years.

Fear not.

Anonymous Krul January 21, 2013 11:39 AM  

I don't know; I read Fredoneverything every so often, who would suggest that there are important non-genetic differences between those Mexicans who immigrate to the US and those who remain in Mexico.

The poem on the Statue of Liberty springs to mind:

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"



Huh. In hindsight that particular criteria for new Americans might have some unintended consequences, both for the US and for the countries they leave behind.

Anonymous Noah B. January 21, 2013 11:39 AM  

Actually the human sacrifice idea has potential.

Blogger James Dixon January 21, 2013 11:41 AM  

> There will be what there has been: immigrant assimilation into the American culture...

Hmm. Let's ask the American Indians how well that works out. I';m sure they'll have some comments on the matter.

Anonymous Krul January 21, 2013 11:41 AM  

It will be as it has been for 200 years.

You probably already know this, but you and VD have a different interpretation of the last 200 years.

Ask him about German immigration into the US in the 1800s.

Anonymous RedJack January 21, 2013 11:42 AM  

Tad,

The arguement could be made that the immigrants didn't assimilate.

I grew up in a mainly German area. It is not even close culturaly to the English areas in the east.

Travel a bit. Go to the towns where Spainish is spoken in CA, or for that matter IA or NE.

Things are not quite what you think they are.

Anonymous Signe January 21, 2013 11:43 AM  

There will be what there has been: immigrant assimilation into the American culture ruled by individual achievement, free market ideology, self determination and democracy and a fierce dedication to individual rights.

Do you actually KNOW any Mexican "immigrants"? Or ever been to the sections of cities they coloni--excuse me, I mean "assimilate into"?

Seriously, though, you're ticking off my boss. He says you cause much too much coffee-related damage to my monitors and keyboards.

OpenID simplytimothy January 21, 2013 11:45 AM  

The construction of pyramids and resumption of human sacrifice?

The surfeit of litter is sufficient.

Blogger Giraffe January 21, 2013 11:46 AM  

So we have the homophobe one thread down, and here we have the racist. Sexist is over at Alpha game. What are you going to do for dipshit?

Anonymous Tad January 21, 2013 11:48 AM  

@signe

Do you actually KNOW any Mexican "immigrants"? Or ever been to the sections of cities they coloni--excuse me, I mean "assimilate into"?

Read about the neighborhoods in the large cities on the East Coast where Italian, German, Jewish and others congregated during previous waves of immigration. They don't exist anymore. Those communities, where foreign languages and non-English cultures flourished no longer exist. They were assimilated.

And for the record, many Anglos made the case that these people were inferior and could not be assimilated. That prediction didn't work out.

Anonymous Uatu, the observer January 21, 2013 11:53 AM  

So Tad's answer is "no". Even to the straw men examples he offers in defense of his historically inaccurate assessment.

Anonymous Noah B. January 21, 2013 11:56 AM  

"Those communities, where foreign languages and non-English cultures flourished no longer exist. They were assimilated."

By total coincidence, this coincides with the height of the Progressive movement, the creation of the Federal Reserve, the Ratification of the 16th Amendment, and steering the country on its present course toward disaster. But other than that, it worked out fine.

Anonymous Invid January 21, 2013 11:57 AM  

Umm, Tad,

I live near a major east coast city and you're wrong about the status of those neighborhoods. The lines have blurred some but there is definitely an Italian section, an African-American section, a Russian section, I don't think the Irish dominate so much though.

Closer to home, there is also a large borough which has imported a large number of Mexicans who do lots (except assimilate). They clash a lot with the existing African American population which does a lot of trying not to work. Both populations seem to prey on the Asian-Americans.

Anonymous anon123 January 21, 2013 11:57 AM  

Tad, the inner cities were not assimilated. They were evacuated and their populations replaced by you-know-who.

Anonymous Daniel January 21, 2013 11:58 AM  

That is just preposterous. Everyone knows that the Aztecs didn't build their own pyramids.

Blogger James Dixon January 21, 2013 12:00 PM  

> What are you going to do for dipshit?

Read the comments above for the readily discernible answer to that question.

Blogger Giraffe January 21, 2013 12:02 PM  

Read the comments above for the readily discernible answer to that question.

Ah.... I should have figured that one out. The dipshit is me.

Anonymous Mike M. January 21, 2013 12:02 PM  

Can we get them to sacrifice the liberals? Please?

Anonymous CunningDove January 21, 2013 12:03 PM  

Tad clearly does not live in NYC. I'm sure those Greeks in Astoria have fully assimilated since 1998 when I left.

Anonymous Signe January 21, 2013 12:03 PM  

What are you going to do for dipshit?

He outsources it to Tad. It's more economical that way.

Blogger Doom January 21, 2013 12:04 PM  

Uatu,

And, what exactly did you expect? Those who live in whatever ivory tower they come from always believe the city streets and secret places must also be full of silk toilet paper and lovely conversations. La di da, dontcha know? But they are quite optimistic about your chances of survival out there! The cracked heads and spilled milk will be over before you know it. Oh, and good luck with all that.

Anonymous Signe January 21, 2013 12:08 PM  

Read about the neighborhoods in the large cities on the East Coast where Italian, German, Jewish and others congregated during previous waves of immigration. They don't exist anymore. Those communities, where foreign languages and non-English cultures flourished no longer exist. They were assimilated.

Ahh, I see. Should I notice that all those ethnic groups you list are white and came from places other than Third-World hellholes, or just stick with "urban renewal"?

Anonymous Outlaw X January 21, 2013 12:09 PM  

Wont happen in TX.

Anonymous Signe January 21, 2013 12:10 PM  

Can we get them to sacrifice the liberals? Please?

Remember that reporter chick who got raped by Muslims and thanked them for the experience?

Yeah, it'll be like that.

Anonymous Signe January 21, 2013 12:13 PM  

Wont happen in TX.

I lived in Houston for a while as a little girl, and recently went back through--not allowed to tell you why, because His Lordship's tired of moving HQ. Entire neighborhoods of what used to be clean and English-language is now Mexified, including billboards fully in Spanish.

It IS happening in Texas.

Anonymous VD January 21, 2013 12:15 PM  

What are you going to do for dipshit?

Oh, it's all over their heads.

Anonymous RedJack January 21, 2013 12:19 PM  

Texas will go shortly after California. I had realtives in South Texas. They left for Nebraska. They don't speak Spanish, aren't brown (enough, some intermarriage), and didn't feel safe anymore.

Once Texas goes solid Democrate (sometime in the next two election cycles), it is game over.

Anonymous sprach von Teufelshunden January 21, 2013 12:27 PM  

What is going to be a "game changer" here, as in any major crime scene of "follow the money," is:

$30 TRILLION DOLLARS [1][4]

Now, does money cure everything? Well, most things. As to they and them, yes, they live. I mean, if we are going to talk about Aztecs/Toltecs and Aztlan and Olmecs/Atlans/Atlantians, blah, blah, blah, blah; then lets get real here. I mean, REAL! [2]



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[1] The same source that points you to the financials of the matter, also points you here [3]

[2] Exo-Vaticana: Ancient Atomism and Extraterrestrial Belief

[3] Yes dear people, the financial is connected with the celestial. It is ALL connected. More and more people need to start comprehending this.

[4] The Chinese economy and Greece update is most interesting here. But, Nate did specify this at one time. I'm not sure where Edelson at Weiss is getting his information. He could well be duped as others. This could all portend for a most interesting global financial reset.

Blogger stareatgoatsies January 21, 2013 12:28 PM  

if the Left's Geographic theory... is correct.. If, on the other hand, the Genetic theory is correct

You've either got more hands than the standard human being or are proposing a gratuitous false dichotomy. And your definition of the "Left's Geographic theory" so absurdly broad as to be useless for any purpose other than post-hoc wriggling.

Anonymous dh January 21, 2013 12:28 PM  

If, on the other hand, the Genetic theory is correct and the Aztecs are qualitatively inferior to the declining Anglos in some capacity, we should expect to see California continue to rapidly decline by a broad panoply of metrics and the infrastructure break down as the political preferences of the majority Hispanic population, which has no connection whatsoever to the historic Constitution, traditional American ideology, and the Rights of Englishmen upon which the United States was originally founded.

The problem is that we have no control group. We need to have a control group to comapre against.

Plus, any other state we use a control will be influenced by California, being California is substantial portion of the US, and as such, has an effect politically, socially, and economically on the rest of the country.

Anonymous wgswst January 21, 2013 12:28 PM  

Look at the upside.

At least all the other western states won't have to send them water anymore ;)

Anonymous Unending Improvement January 21, 2013 12:29 PM  

If you think Mexican immigration is a river now, just wait until Obama pushes his immigration "reform" through.

It's not like amnesty has ever stopped illegal immigration.

Anonymous dh January 21, 2013 12:30 PM  

By total coincidence, this coincides with the height of the Progressive movement, the creation of the Federal Reserve, the Ratification of the 16th Amendment, and steering the country on its present course toward disaster. But other than that, it worked out fine.

A very slow disaster, apparently. It's been close on a 100 years, but I guess it's coming any day now? Or in about 20, according to VD.

Anonymous Tad January 21, 2013 12:31 PM  

@signe

Ahh, I see. Should I notice that all those ethnic groups you list are white and came from places other than Third-World hellholes, or just stick with "urban renewal"?

Your faith in Northern European whitey is misplaced, Signe. You ought to put your faith in the unique and unprecedented culture of America and its long proven ability to inspire dedication to simple, inspired, principles.

P.S.
Congratulations to President Obama for an outstanding inaugural speech.

Anonymous sprach von Teufelshunden January 21, 2013 12:33 PM  

Technically, I am a devil dog. My DD-214 says so...

Anonymous President Obama January 21, 2013 12:38 PM  

Shut up, Tad.

Anonymous Red Comet January 21, 2013 12:42 PM  

There will be no bankruptsy.

Where's your proof? What do you believe makes America special and immune to the kind of governmental and economic behavior that currently has Greeks eating out of dumpsters?

There will be what there has been: immigrant assimilation into the American culture ruled by individual achievement, free market ideology, self determination and democracy and a fierce dedication to individual rights.

If this is true then why is every service industry changing over to dual language? If "fierce dedication to individual rights" is true then why do non-whites consistently vote for politicians and policies that take rights and money away from whitey?

And don't even bother trying to claim whites engage in the same bloc voting when half the white population consistently votes to take rights and money away from the other half.

Anonymous Outlaw X January 21, 2013 12:42 PM  


I lived in Houston for a while as a little girl, and recently went back through--not allowed to tell you why, because His Lordship's tired of moving HQ. Entire neighborhoods of what used to be clean and English-language is now Mexified, including billboards fully in Spanish.

It IS happening in Texas.


I done explained Austin, Houston and anything south of I10 is not Texas anymore.

Anonymous Mr Green Man January 21, 2013 12:44 PM  

Dearborn has not assimilated. We have had them for 80 years. They speak Arabic. They outlaw the playing of church bells. They arrest Christians on the street for handing out Bibles. The police harass and intimidate Christians after they are stoned by the practitioners of the Religion of Peace for walking on a public street during an Islamic festival.

There is no assimilation. They appear to only be growing stronger and more dug-in.

Anonymous VD January 21, 2013 12:45 PM  

There will be no bankruptsy. There will be no elimination of any race. There will be no secession. There will be no Pyramids. And there will be no human sacrifice.

You didn't answer the question, my obsessed little queer friend. The question was not if those things would happen or not, the question was which of these events would be sufficient to convince you to abandon the Geographic theory in favor of the Genetic one.

Anonymous Stilicho January 21, 2013 12:45 PM  

Read about the neighborhoods in the large cities on the East Coast where Italian, German, Jewish and others congregated during previous waves of immigration. They don't exist anymore. Those communities, where foreign languages and non-English cultures flourished no longer exist. They were assimilated.

Ah, the Next Generation theory of assimilation. Unfortunately for its proponents, it is just as imaginary as the Borg and far less entertaining.

Anonymous Outlaw X January 21, 2013 12:47 PM  

Come to Fort Worth, and recall your childhood. They a scared here.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis January 21, 2013 12:51 PM  

I'm just curious what it will take for advocates of the Geographic theory to give it up

I'd say that the geographic theory isn't necessarily wrong as it seems that California is doing everything in it's power to prevent, rather than promote, assimilation. I think immigration in California could have turn out out differently if the state had not insisted on its salad bowl progressive utopia nonesense.

Anonymous Red Comet January 21, 2013 12:51 PM  

@dh

The problem is that we have no control group. We need to have a control group to comapre against.

Are you being willfully ignorant? Just take demographic inventory of any place on Earth and you can predict EXACTLY what will happen based on the cultures of the people in charge of the government, the people who produce all the wealth, and the eternally hapless that can't take care of themselves.

Unless you wish to hand wave culture and claim that it is completely random that Japan is a modern non-violent and prosperous nation while Somalia isn't hell but you can see it from there.

Anonymous Signe January 21, 2013 12:54 PM  

Your faith in Northern European whitey is misplaced, Signe.

Yeah, I know. The cultures that gave us modern science, Locke, and the Renaissance--and the whole America thing--pfft. They don't build nothin' worth discussing.

You ought to put your faith in the unique and unprecedented culture of America and its long proven ability to inspire dedication to simple, inspired, principles.

I've noticed how inspired you are, seeing as you've constantly indicated you want to change it.

Anonymous The CronoLink January 21, 2013 12:54 PM  

Tad, you really should start backing up what you say; just too many naked assertions. Oh wait, I forgot it's Tad we're dealing with.

Anonymous E. PERLINE January 21, 2013 12:58 PM  

I learned advertising from a deaf uncle. I was vauable because I sensed how much his hearing was impaired and I added enough decibals to be understood at all times. It was tiring for me, but he thought I was brilliant.

The same idea applies to our IQ. If we use one-upmanship we are considered egg-heads and not paid attention to. We must be able to sense immediately how deep we can go when we address lessor IQs. Otherwise we get no respect and we lose big elections too.


Anonymous Jack Amok January 21, 2013 1:01 PM  

I'm just curious what it will take for advocates of the Geographic theory to give it up.

Might as well ask what it would take for a Christian to give up Christ. This is their religion, or at least an essential part of it. Human beings have an inherent facility for faith, but there's nothing that says that faith can't be directed at something bogus. It just has to sound good. Liberalism, like any faith, has explanations for things that don't seem to make sense or go according to plan.


Ah.... I should have figured that one out. The dipshit is me.

Hey, let's not sell Tad short.

A very slow disaster, apparently. It's been close on a 100 years, but I guess it's coming any day now? Or in about 20, according to VD.

Suppose you're in a car race. Every 20 or 25 laps you need to stop for new tires. You've got six lugs on each wheel, and you start the race with all six lug nuts. But every pit stop, the crew loses a lug nut or two. Once in a while, they find a new one to put on, but they're steadily losing more lug nuts than they're replacing. 100 laps later, you've got two lug nuts holding your wheel on. No problem yet, right?

That's the problem with leftists, no idea how things really work. Lug nuts hold the wheels on? What?

Anonymous Outlaw X January 21, 2013 1:02 PM  

Signe

There is a mass migration south of the Hispanics. Our Church ST Thomas, RCC was Hispanic 7 ears ago now it is lilly white. They are getting the Hell out, moving closer to home.

Blogger Nate January 21, 2013 1:03 PM  

"There will be no bankruptsy."

There US credit rating will not be lowered!!!! Again!!

Blogger Nate January 21, 2013 1:05 PM  

"That's the problem with leftists, no idea how things really work. Lug nuts hold the wheels on? What?"

Money comes from the government. There for the government cannot run out of money.


I CAN TYPING!!!!

Anonymous Geoff January 21, 2013 1:07 PM  

As long as the Caucasians who VOTED for this are allowed to escape it by moving to another state when diversity comes to THEIR neighborhood...expect more of the same. I fought it for years before I finally saw the writing on the wall and left for Nebraska. 25% pay cut to do so and can't believe how much happier I am with the trade in geography, no matter the price. Actually, per Vox, I should say how much happier I am to be in a different gene pool here in Nebraska. My ultimate happiness would be the Nebraska gene pool but located in San Diego. Sadly, not an option.

If only there were some way to get Section 8 vouchers for apartments next to every elected official's home in Sacramento...and a Pollo Loco on every block.

Anonymous Ferd January 21, 2013 1:10 PM  

"Now, if the Left's Geographic theory that human behavior is predominantly determined by the physical location of the human being is correct, California should prosper and its economy should boom with all of these hardworking immigrants seeking the prosperity and opportunity afforded them by the environment and infrastructure there. "

Gosh, VD, you have such a gift for humour. Almost choked on my gluten-free bran muffin. Seriously, your next novel should be a comedy. The proud latinos taking over the California government from the likes of Jerry Brown leading us all in to the Paradise of Eternity. I wonder how long the southern border, such as it is, will finally cease to stand when the aztecas take over?

Blogger Giraffe January 21, 2013 1:13 PM  

Hey, let's not sell Tad short.

I was just pissed because it was so obvious.

Tad= The Arch Dipshit

Anonymous Stickwick January 21, 2013 1:19 PM  

OT: Dinesh D'Souza (Christian intellectual) will be debating Andrew Bernstein (from the Asperger's Institute) on Feb 8th. The topic is "Christianity: Good or Bad for Mankind?" It can be livestreamed for a nominal fee. D'Souza is extremely knowledgeable and a skilled debater, so this promises to be interesting.

Anonymous daddynichol January 21, 2013 1:21 PM  

Go to any manufacturing plant, school, university or prison for that matter. Groups form based on preferences. Blacks congregate with blacks, Latinos with Latinos, etc. Interlopers are not welcomed. See if a Latino activist can win election to the college Afro-American Club or if a skinhead can be welcomed into the Zeta prison gang.

California will never recover from becoming one huge barrio.

Blogger stareatgoatsies January 21, 2013 1:25 PM  

sufficient to convince you to abandon the Geographic theory in favor of the Genetic one.

What does your "Geographic theory" include and what does it exclude?

You're asking Tad to abandon an ill-defined theory you refuse to expound upon contingent upon the occurrence of hypothetical he's written of as absurd. And allowing for only one of two provided responses. It's very like you're itching to back him into enough of a corner to provide you with an excuse to ban him.

Anonymous Noah B. January 21, 2013 1:32 PM  

"A very slow disaster, apparently. It's been close on a 100 years, but I guess it's coming any day now?"

It is happening right now, quite observable to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention. Do you think the decline and fall of Rome, or any other empire in history, happened overnight?

Anonymous Boetain January 21, 2013 1:36 PM  

OT:

For those who miss the VD weekly column, it looks like Ron Paul will have one now that he has freed himself from the constraints of sitting in a room surrounded by 434 idiots. Just like VD, his work is chock full of good ol' Obummer, repuke, and Krugman bashing (nothing on Scalzi yet, though)

http://the-free-foundation.org/tst1-21-2013.html

Blogger James Dixon January 21, 2013 1:40 PM  

> Ah.... I should have figured that one out.

We all have bad days, Giraffe. Don't let it get to you.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia January 21, 2013 1:43 PM  

stareatgoatsies:

You're asking Tad to abandon an ill-defined theory you refuse to expound upon contingent upon the occurrence of hypothetical he's written of as absurd. And allowing for only one of two provided responses. It's very like you're itching to back him into enough of a corner to provide you with an excuse to ban him.


Goat,

The "ill defined" theory is the one that everybody is aware of, except you it seems, and the one that the US operates under.

Tad has been posting voluminously, and ignorantly to boot, and has yet to banned. And that has all happened while he vigorously obsesses over Vox in the most unhealthy of unbalance ways.

Anonymous Tad January 21, 2013 1:44 PM  

@Vox Day

There will be no bankruptsy. There will be no elimination of any race. There will be no secession. There will be no Pyramids. And there will be no human sacrifice.

You didn't answer the question, my obsessed little queer friend. The question was not if those things would happen or not, the question was which of these events would be sufficient to convince you to abandon the Geographic theory in favor of the Genetic one.


Any of them might

Anonymous BluntForceTrauma January 21, 2013 1:44 PM  

The are more options than the Geographic Theory and the Genetic Theory. Both are equally wrong. Try the Cultural, or, more specifically, the Religious Theory.

Mexicans will make a third-world shit-hole of wherever they go en masse because their culture, informed largely by their religious beliefs (as are all cultures) does not value the same things that the evangelical, Protestant religion of the Founding Fathers valued.

Skin color and race matters not. Only what you happen to believe.

Anonymous jay c January 21, 2013 1:49 PM  

As soon as I see Tad weigh in with one if his big lies, I stop reading. The discussion has been effectively derailed because everyone will respond as if he actually believed what he wrote.

Anonymous Boetain January 21, 2013 1:49 PM  

Redjack:

Romney won Texas by 16%. I don't see it going Dem anytime soon. However, the hispanics have tilted battleground states like Nevada, Colorado, etc. toward the dems - that is the big problem for repukes (besides the fact that they put up moderate/liberal candidates who do not know how to connect with your average dumbass voter).

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia January 21, 2013 1:50 PM  

BFT,

One might also posit that the genetic and cultural inform each other. As to what percentage each influences the other is debated, but they are not unrelated to each other.

Anonymous Outlaw X January 21, 2013 1:53 PM  

"You're asking Tad to abandon an ill-defined theory you refuse to expound upon contingent upon the occurrence of hypothetical he's written of as absurd. And allowing for only one of two provided responses. It's very like you're itching to back him into enough of a corner to provide you with an excuse to ban him."

Let me splainesh it how this works Lucy. Ya See The Hispanics moved into the Church and demanded their own Spanish Mass, therefore providing another priest an Tried to make changes to the Anglo Mass. Guess what happened? The Bishop in full support of them lost the Anglo Donations and the Hispanics couldn't keep the lights on while demanding we did. Well, the Bishop has been shipped off to California, where I am sure he will be welcome and the Spanish Mass was discontinued. The priest decided he couldn't continue his Mass on 50 cents a week. (No mas)

Now is that demographics or genetics?

Blogger Kentucky Packrat January 21, 2013 2:20 PM  

I lived in Houston for a while as a little girl, and recently went back through--not allowed to tell you why, because His Lordship's tired of moving HQ. Entire neighborhoods of what used to be clean and English-language is now Mexified, including billboards fully in Spanish.

People call the local area "Lexico". Saw 6+ guys beating a fellow laid over the hood of a car when leaving a friend's house. 911 didn't even pick up the first time we called. On the second call, the operator told us they'd see if they could bother to free a cruiser up to drive by.

A very slow disaster, apparently. It's been close on a 100 years, but I guess it's coming any day now? Or in about 20, according to VD.

It took the Roman Republic about 500 years to fall apart, from the Caesarian civil wars to the "fall" in the 400s. If you really want to shove and call Byzantium/Constantinople "Rome", Rome lasted almost 1400 years(*). During that time frame, the corpse bloated and expanded, looking healthier from the outside. However, the signs of rot and decay were obvious knowing where to look.

The Founders sowed the seeds of destruction when they didn't outlaw slavery post-Revolution. The nation had to suffer God's punishment in the Civil War. One of the evils of that war was the Greenback, which led to an entire half-century of deflation and "The Cross of Gold" throughout the late 1800s. When offered three progressives, of course the people chose the worst possible candidate, Wilson, and the real road to hell started. It was the Wilson Democrats who made the Jim Crow of the 50s and 60s possible (why do you THINK King was a Republican?), in addition to the League of Nations and the Federal Reserve.

When growing up, my father wouldn't let me go into a silo with him to open it. He went in first, and checked it out carefully. Silage ferments, and it can occasionally spontaneously combust when too dry. A pocket of silage can be charcoaled and at flash point, while the top looks solid, and can even hold some weight. Step onto it or dig down to it, though, and the top falls in and the silo explodes in fire.(**) The US in the 50s and 60s were like this. We had enough wealth to afford the overhead of "the new system", and the ordinary person could get ahead. However, the fire was smoldering under the surface, waiting for a chance to taste air.

Now, it is. Our parabolic growth patterns are at the crash point, and reality demands the crash. It may take a while; it may take years or even decades. But it will come.

(*) You can argue that Byzantium is really a separate empire from Rome. That said, its peak was around the same time as Rome's, it just took a lot longer to crash than Rome did. If anything, Byzantium == Rome would make my point, but I won't try to defend it.

(**) He lost a barn about 10 years ago to a hay fire caused by spontaneous combustion, so it wasn't a vain worry.

Anonymous Azimus January 21, 2013 2:21 PM  

The genetic vs geographic argument ends up being sort of the same thing - looking at England who everyone is gushing on (again), the English who have remained largely intact from a genetic standpoint retain little, if any, of the eminence of their forebears. So the genetic is sort of disproven bu England's own 2013 example. However, England had something very few people-groups enjoyed: they lived on an island. This was a geographic feature that allowed the culture to grow and flourish without having to deal with unchecked immigration from local parasitic cultures. This provided the STABILITY, and stability is the key IMO, to fignt amongst themselves and grow and build a perfect culture/society for themselves, without too much to fear from exterior pressures. So, if you unravel the thread the whole way, it is a geographic argument, insomuch as geography allowed for the development of sophisticated culture/society. The traditional American approach to immigration supports this (ie a "virtual island")

Anonymous Azimus January 21, 2013 2:23 PM  

I forgot to add: the geographic gives the stability so the Genetic can develop.

Anonymous Boris January 21, 2013 2:29 PM  

"I'm just curious what it will take for advocates of the Geographic theory to give it up. California declaring bankruptcy? The complete elimination of the white race from the state? California seceding and joining Mexico? The construction of pyramids and resumption of human sacrifice? Or is your faith in it simply unshakeable by evidence?"

This presupposes, naively, that the fate of California is so disentangled from other factors that it is definitive test of this supposed genetic/geographic disagreement.

So I guess if California continues as a national leader in innovation and business while taming its debt (and it has for at least one year), then will you abandon the view that genetics is determinate? I doubt it, seeing as racism is not based as much on empirical evidence as it is on fear, anecdote, and a wish for self-comfort in the face of personal failure.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 21, 2013 2:39 PM  

A very slow disaster, apparently

Remember your Hemmingway. You go broke slowly at first, then all at once.

Anonymous Noah B. January 21, 2013 2:52 PM  

California is spiraling out of control, Boris. It has not begun to tame its debt or deficit. All that has been accomplished is the creation of hopelessly optimistic budget estimates that have yet to materialize.

Businesses of all kinds are leaving California as fast as they can. For those whose client basis is nationwide or international, and who are not tied in place by their real estate holdings, the decision practically makes itself. No one chooses to pay another 10% income tax every year if there's a way around it.

Blogger Bob Wallace January 21, 2013 2:52 PM  

Hey Tad,

Where I used to live an entire neighborhood of Vietnamese up and left to get away from American blacks preying on them.

And where I live now I find passed-out dead drunk Indians in the gutter with an empty bottle of vodka at their feet.

All those immigrants you're talking about are white.

You might want to get out of your parent's basement and walk around outside for a while.

Anonymous DrTorch January 21, 2013 3:01 PM  

Good assessment, Kentucky Pack

Noah B- Phil Mickelson is talking about moving from CA. Their budget is optimistic, and still ignores pension fund shortages averaging $6B/year for several years to come.

Anonymous Noah B. January 21, 2013 3:07 PM  

On the bright side for California's budget outlook -- are all these newly immigrated hispanics really going to continue funding the pensions of highly paid, mostly white bureaucrats? Of course not.

Blogger Bob January 21, 2013 3:11 PM  

@bluntforce trauma:

Skin color and race matters not. Only what you happen to believe.

I disagree on how "Skin color and race matters not." From my personal experiences, that's just about all that matters to many people.

I have worked and lived in more places than the ordinary person: Florida, New York, Texas, Colorado, New Mexico, California, Washington, Arizona, Mexico, Japan and China. I have worked in places from truck stops to National research laboritories, from a Wal-Mart to the University of Washingion's Medical Research Center. I've been a construction worker digging ditches with Mexicans who can't speak English to a Science and Engineering Associate working in concert with physicists from places Like LANL, the SSC and CERN. In other words, I've seen and heard a lot.

And what I have seen and heard is that skin color and race does indeed matter.

To many people it's all that matters. And if you do not understand this, you are looking at the world through rose colored glasses.

Race does matter. Skin color does matter. And it seems that only the Whites have lost sight of this. And that is why true whites - who have never been more than 7% of the worlds population - are vanishing into history, and in the process are losing their identity, their hertitage, their homes and countries to the massive wave of non-whites presently sweeping across the world.

My opinion only, but I have seen and heard enough the last half-century to be convinced of it. Some of you will live to see the truth of it all, whatever that truth may end up being.

What I see is a world of increasing crime, poverty and despair, a world impossible to maintain even in it's flawed condition as it is today, because those who are assuming the mantle of power and control do not have the brains, the work ethic, or the innate desire to even try.

As they say, nothing is constant but change. I hope you like the coming changes, particularily during the next four years.

At the very least, they will be... interesting.

Anonymous Stilicho January 21, 2013 3:16 PM  

Quite right, Noah. In fact, why should they, or any NAM, pay "whitey's taxes"? That's what whitey be for.

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Anonymous RC January 21, 2013 3:24 PM  

The Founders sowed the seeds of destruction when they didn't outlaw slavery post-Revolution. The nation had to suffer God's punishment in the Civil War." Kentucky Packrat

That's a strong statement. Why were we so special KP, deserving mass death for the sin of African slavery when the balance of the civilized world nagivated those tricky waters without all-out war?

And the Greenback caused deflation?

Anonymous DonReynolds January 21, 2013 3:43 PM  

Vox, ten percent of the population of Mexico lives in the United States. Quite an astounding figure actually. That means that MEXICO has nine times as many of these hardworking Aztecs as we do and since they create so damned much wealth with their eager hands, the MEXICO should be the wealthiest nation on the planet!

It is not, of course, nor is it the poorest....although you might get that impression when you visit rural and small town Mexico. The average wage of Mexican workers is about $50 a week (in Gringo money). Compare that to the average wage of Chinese workers, which is about $50 A MONTH. Your typical Mex makes four times or more what the typical Chinese worker takes home. Of course, they are both losing jobs to Vietnam, where the typical worker makes $35 A MONTH. But is this a desirable goal for the United States? Do we really want to become part of the Third World?

Anonymous JI January 21, 2013 3:59 PM  

I think it would take a lot of human sacrifices, on tv and covered by MSNBC, in order to convince the libs that maybe, just maybe, culture matters.

Anonymous kh123 January 21, 2013 4:04 PM  

"There will be no Bankruptsy."

What is this, a new Ukrainian partisan group.

Blogger rcocean January 21, 2013 4:23 PM  

Texans are idiots. One day they're going to wake up and realize that even with 90% of the white vote the Republicans still can't win. It will eventually revert to Mexico.

After that they'll flee Texas like rats.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat January 21, 2013 4:39 PM  

RC: That's a strong statement. Why were we so special KP, deserving mass death for the sin of African slavery when the balance of the civilized world nagivated those tricky waters without all-out war?

We refused to repent. Britain did repent, and the Royal Navy was the number one force against African slavery throughout the 19th century (the number one slave-running group at the time was the Arabs, using land routes outside of Britain's reach).

Much of the North's wealth was originally built on the slave trade, and the South held absolutely no moral high ground. If a country attempts to build its economy on a practice that the Bible calls an abomination, then it earns its fall.

I don't think that anyone was led where they didn't want to go, here. The North desperately wanted a banking economy with inflation to fund expansion and to depower the resource-rich South, and the South wanted its economic advantages caused by cheap labor distortions. Sometimes God punishes you by answering yes to your prayers.

And the Greenback caused deflation?

While I could have been clearer, I think you're also being obtuse. Without Lincoln's Greenback, there's no way that the government could have borrowed enough to cause the inflation (nearly hyper-inflation) of 1861 to 1865. The Cross of Gold speeches were the Progressives begging for inflation to fight the effects of the same Greenbacks (and other government spending) being wound out of the economy and the natural deflation caused by industrialization.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia January 21, 2013 4:41 PM  

rcocean:
Texans are idiots.


And you, sir, are a sperm guzzlin', cock sucker who likes it in the butt.

Tad, it seems you have a friend here.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia January 21, 2013 4:44 PM  

rcocean January 21, 2013 4:33 PM
Where's Tad? We need you. I apologize Tad, I thought you were bringing down the comments section. But now, I realize you were saving it.


And there ya go.

Blogger tz January 21, 2013 4:50 PM  

The third possibility is culture.

If it was genetics, New Zealand might be the best but still very imperfect example.

Australia, the UK, maybe Scotland should be all better than the USA. Canada too excepting Quebec.

The requirement is a culture that desires so will force into existence a rabidly libertarian government with a (or with a preexisting) rabidly socialist (Christian, imitating Acts) church. Since there will be the poor, orphans, widows, the sick, the disabled, someone must take care of them. Mother Theresa's Sisters of Charity do a far better job than the IRS+HHS.

There are many Asians who are entrepreneurial. The Vietnamese "boat people" who came here. The Koreans in South Central LA CA. Examples from Africa.

CA in what I can only call is a desire for economic suicide is forcing emigration of anyone who is productive or has capital (with Nevada, Arizona, and even Michigan, pure, newly right-to-work Michigan!, asking for them). You can only survive in CA if you are "undocumented". If you are from below the Rio Grande, the worst thing that will happen to you is deportation after a period of incarceration. What happens if you are a US Citizen convicted of tax fraud, assuming you are not the head of BoA or GS? CA deserves to and is getting what it wants.

(Aside: there is a border patrol security theater box-office checkpoint on eastbound I-8, but no shortage of illegals in San Diego)

To use the modern term, what if the liberty-prosperity tendency is a meme? But a recessive meme. One that requires rejection of bluecoats and nannycrats in nearly all things? "Where" can be the internet as well as a physical location. Recessive memes need eternal vigilance to avoid being retroviraled so as to lose the immunity to bondage.

Blogger James Dixon January 21, 2013 4:56 PM  

> So I guess if California continues as a national leader in innovation and business while taming its debt (and it has for at least one year)

Businesses and the wealthy are fleeing California in record numbers. That doesn't seem to likely.

And as for taming their debt, the California debt clock doesn't seem to agree with you: http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-debt-clocks/state-of-california-debt-clock.html

> Why were we so special KP, deserving mass death for the sin of African slavery when the balance of the civilized world nagivated those tricky waters without all-out war?

Because we knew better.

Blogger James Dixon January 21, 2013 4:59 PM  

For those interested in a reasonable view of California's debt, see this Bloomberg article: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-16/california-unsaved-speeds-toward-a-wall-of-debt.html

Blogger Rev. Right January 21, 2013 5:13 PM  

"There is no assimilation. They appear to only be growing stronger and more dug-in."


That's because they are not immigrants, they are colonists.

Our government is explicitly anti-assimilationist. We are no longer importing new Americans, we are importing a new people.

Anonymous Mike M. January 21, 2013 5:23 PM  

I think the greater question might be at what point does a war break out between the United States and Mexico.

There's a strong case to be made that the Mexican government, by openly encouraging its citizens to enter the United States illegally, has committed hostile acts.

Also watch out for an INTERNAL California secessionist movement. Go north of the San Gabriel range, and you'll find very little tolerance for the Left. Most blue states aren't - they are states enslaved by three or four blue counties.

Anonymous Idle Spectator January 21, 2013 5:32 PM  

I really enjoy reading some of these comments. It's like me after I hit myself in the head with a ballpeen hammer repeatedly, but after huffing some keyboard cleaner from the pressurized can so I don't feel my face. It has to be humane.


"Yeah, I'll take a side of gray scrambled eggs, with the wall as a plate and the gun a spatula."

Anonymous Jimmy January 21, 2013 5:35 PM  

California is such a blue state that the fact that it has a majority Hispanic population is not as relevant. California will still be ruled by the white rich liberal who is controlled by the entertainment industry.

I can see another problem waiting to arise. There could be a growing population of upscale Asians with new Chinese mainland immigrants coming into the state.

On the bright side, Hispanics will have lower birth rates. This is a fact on both sides of the border. Mexicans are having less children. Unfortunately, they still have more children than whites.

Whites are moving out of the state. I wonder where they are going? They are bringing their liberalism to the Red states. Beware. The whole USA is turning blue as it has happened in Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza January 21, 2013 5:46 PM  

Cali still hasn't fallen off into the ocean yet?

Anonymous MendoScot January 21, 2013 6:34 PM  

The are more options than the Geographic Theory and the Genetic Theory. Both are equally wrong. Try the Cultural, or, more specifically, the Religious Theory.

The Cultural and Religious are, in the context of this post, subsets of the Geographic Theory.

Blogger ajw308 January 21, 2013 6:50 PM  

I think it would take a lot of human sacrifices, on tv and covered by MSNBC, in order to convince the libs that maybe, just maybe, culture matters.
Nah, you point out that, in Africa, blacks still enslave blacks and devout liberal will defend their culture. Any practice is bad if it doesn't serve the liberal agenda and good if it does. Senators can run a child prostitution ring and if it's a liberal Senator, it's acceptable, but should a non-liberal Senator accept an old retired sled dog and not value it as a prime sled dog while filling out his paperwork on gifts, well then it's a felony.

Anonymous Hood January 21, 2013 6:56 PM  

The Cultural and Religious are, in the context of this post, subsets of the Geographic Theory.

Cultural and religious would be subsets of the genetic. Little China town is shut down on the Chinese new year, not because of its geographical location; but because of the genetic inhabitants of the area.

My children will be exposed to the culture and beliefs I was raised with.

Blogger ajw308 January 21, 2013 6:57 PM  

Azimus,
Don't the Scotch kinda blow a hole in your argument?

Anonymous Asher January 21, 2013 7:13 PM  

@ Tad

You ought to put your faith in the unique and unprecedented culture of America

Could you give a specific description of this "people".

Anonymous Azimus January 21, 2013 7:28 PM  

@ ajw

No I actually had treated the Scots, and Welshh in my original post but then deleted it to avoid getting too long. The Scots and Welsh had the potential to, but English aspirations of dominion over their neghbors kept most of Scotch/Welsh interactions with the English in a "just leave us the h$ll alone!" defensive stance, with the occasional borderland invasions that were not accompanied by migration. The most significant incursions by either group were actually driven by English politics themselves (ie The Restoration), and left little cultural footprint beyond battlefield lore.

This growing dominion also contributed to England's stability, as expanding borders have always contributed to internal tranquility in any empire or tin-pot dictatorship. Everybody loves a winner, afterall.

Anonymous MendoScot January 21, 2013 7:49 PM  

Cultural and religious would be subsets of the genetic.

No. Name me one (or a cluster) gene that defines either.

Little China town is shut down on the Chinese new year, not because of its geographical location; but because of the genetic inhabitants of the area.

I don't understand the point you are making here - who is shutting down Little China Town?

My children will be exposed to the culture and beliefs I was raised with.

Geographic, in the context of this post.

Anonymous scoobius dubious January 21, 2013 9:04 PM  

Not sure what you people are arguing about.

America is already over, in case you hadn't noticed.

The surrender ceremony was broadcast on TV today.

Anonymous scoobius dubious January 21, 2013 9:05 PM  

"Where I used to live an entire neighborhood of Vietnamese up and left to get away from American blacks preying on them."

Did they up and go back to Vietnam? I bet not.

Hey, I can dream, can't I.


Anonymous CitizenOutkast January 21, 2013 9:21 PM  

There will be what there has been: immigrant assimilation into the American culture ruled by individual achievement, free market ideology, self determination and democracy and a fierce dedication to individual rights.

You're an idiot. I live in an area with a huge amount of Hispanic immigration. You know what they care about? Having tons of kids with tons of men. Getting on food stamps/welfare. Getting every freebie they can. Screaming at people who dare to question them. Gaming the system to profit.

Assimilate? Hardly. Go through the area and you will see tons of American flags. Whoops, sorry, no. You won't see any. You will see Mexican flags, Puerto Rican symbols, everything written in Spanish (including store fronts), houses painted "Mexican" colors (ie, garish to our sensibilities).

The kids, at whatever age, don't identify as American. They identify as Mexican, Puerto Rican, Dominican, etc. They do NOT see themselves as Americans.

After seeing a bunch of your posts, I have to wonder if you are dead-set on ignoring reality or if you're so cloistered and shielded from the real world that you simply can't fathom anything outside of what goes on in a lily white gated community. I dare you to spend some time around here, and if you can survive inside center city with the "poor" Hispanics who can still afford tats, gold jewelry, guns, and anything else they want because drug income isn't exactly listed on their taxes, we'll see what your opinion is then. That is if you're not killed off in this week's gang war.

Anonymous 11B January 21, 2013 9:32 PM  

Read about the neighborhoods in the large cities on the East Coast where Italian, German, Jewish and others congregated during previous waves of immigration. They don't exist anymore. Those communities, where foreign languages and non-English cultures flourished no longer exist. They were assimilated.

Tad, good point but keep this in mind. Back then Italians, Germans, Jews and others living side by side could not communicate with one another let alone the mainstream, native population. So learning English enabled the Italian to communicate with the Jew and German as well as integrate into American society.

Today instead of Italians, Germans and Jews living side by side we have Mexicans, Dominicans and Salvadorans and various other New World immigrants. They already can communicate with one another in Spanish. And given the prevalence of Spanish language media, Spanish signs in stores and voting and other government services being offered in Spanish, they have no need to learn English. In fact there are examples of folks who have been in this nation since the 1980s who have never learned English and haven't missed a beat.

Anonymous Razoraid January 21, 2013 9:38 PM  

Unfortunately, the numbers now drive policy and I anticipate before long California will be hoisting the Mexican flag in Sacramento. With its characteristic totalitarian tendency, it's frightening how the liberal-left enablers will destroy individuals and communities while smugly secure in their own self-righteousness.

Anonymous Luke January 21, 2013 10:27 PM  

The question as to whether the Hispanics flooding into/breeding in California will be assimilating immigrants or colonists has IMO already been answered as the latter. The short defense of that is the observable language continuity. The longer one is found in articles such as Victor Davis Hanson's "Two Californias":

http://tinyurl.com/3xt4wh6 (3 pages)

Anonymous Outlaw X January 21, 2013 10:28 PM  

America is already over, in case you hadn't noticed.

The surrender ceremony was broadcast on TV today.


Somebody actually watched it?

Don't Read or listen to a thing he says. He is worse than GWB. I have a thumb accelerator for changing my TV I designed myself.

Anonymous Luke January 21, 2013 10:53 PM  

Blunt Force Trauma said:

"Skin color and race matters not. Only what you happen to believe."

One more person who's not heard of "IQ and The Wealth of Nations"

http://tinyurl.com/aulucrh

Hint: Different races and nations have different IQs. There is a minimum IQ to build or maintain an industrial society, and not every race or nation meets it.

Anonymous zen0 January 21, 2013 11:17 PM  

Somebody actually watched it?

Don't Read or listen to a thing he says.


What he says don't matter. How it is presented, does.

The song with the phrase "His truth is marching on" was juxtaposed with an Obama face right out of the Maoist propaganda mural playbook. You know, looking bravely upward at an angle into the Utopian future.

This is the Fascist denouement that Republics must necessarily endure. You guys are fucked. Should have gone for the Parliamentary model.

Best gird your fucking loins or get the fuck out. You got 18 months, tops.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 21, 2013 11:21 PM  


The legislation being pushed by the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church would make it illegal nationwide to provide minors with information that is defined as "propaganda of sodomy, lesbianism, bisexuality and transgenderism." It includes a ban on holding public events that promote gay rights. St. Petersburg and a number of other Russian cities already have similar laws on their books.


Seems that they really are trying to poke the LGBT lobby in the US in the eye (or elsewhere).

Blogger Da_Truth_Hurts January 22, 2013 12:05 AM  

I want to see charts of the white population of Cities/States by % juxtaposed with crime rate, property value, graduation rates, and average salary.

Blogger Da_Truth_Hurts January 22, 2013 12:06 AM  

Over time, that is/.

Anonymous Outlaw X January 22, 2013 1:08 AM  

The song with the phrase "His truth is marching on"

Zeno
They actually played the "Battle Hymn of the Republic?" You got to be kidding me? Now that is damn funny. You are pulling my leg.

Anonymous Outlaw X January 22, 2013 1:14 AM  

Zeno

Was it this? Seriously?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwkCtuIauIE

Anonymous zen0 January 22, 2013 6:12 AM  

Yes.It was part of a montage on the tv network broadcast. Didn't catch which network.

Anonymous Hood January 22, 2013 7:56 AM  

No. Name me one (or a cluster) gene that defines either

I'm not a geneticist, but the observable reality is that certain races (genetics) of people, possess certain cultural tendencies. I believe this quote is the most succint in regards the point of the post.

I'm just curious what it will take for advocates of the Geographic theory to give it up

I don't understand the point you are making here - who is shutting down Little China Town?

The chinese, because they are readily still associating with their homeland than they are with the traditions of their geographical location.

Geographic, in the context of this post.
Exactly, they will be exposed to the beliefs I harbor, regardless of geographical location.

The equine is at the watering hole.. but will he drink?

Anonymous MendoScot January 22, 2013 9:10 AM  

The equine is at the watering hole.. but will he drink?

You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think.

Anonymous Hood January 22, 2013 10:08 AM  

haha, fits the post nicely.

OpenID ZT January 22, 2013 11:10 AM  

I think "Culture" trumps genetics** for the most part. Black ghettozation of Anglo's has done more harm to Anglo culture and it wasn't because of superior black IQ's. I would submit that ghettozation has diminished the impact of High IQ blacks as well as whites.

The question is really:
What point does Mexican cultural momentum break Anglo culture?
Can Anglo's develop enough momentum to counter Mexican culture?


** Yes, genetics plays a part in IQ but we have no bases for understanding what level of IQ will produce desirable outcomes. If Asians have higher IQ's then Anglo's then their countries fail to bear out IQ being a net positive. Level of influence of key movers has more impact on culture than average IQ. My experience is that higher IQ people have a better ability to adapt and absorb a foreign culture than low IQ people who generally have to submit to generational changes in culture in order to progress as a people. Thus genetics will probably still impact cultural change but it also means it is not the causal factor. In short influence outweighs IQ.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic January 22, 2013 11:45 AM  

When people like Tad gush about "Hispanics" being the new Irish and Italians, what they really mean is Spaniards being the new Irish and Italians. The five-foot tall Aztec who can barely speak English and barely write Spanish is completely off the radar. "Hispanic" to such people means Javier Badem or Eva Longoria. The Aztec/indigenous may as well be Oompa-Loompas who just sprang out of the ground somewhere. Nobody even notices them until they do things like kidnap businessmen or behead policemen.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic January 22, 2013 11:59 AM  

think "Culture" trumps genetics** for the most part.

Culture is the feedback loop for genetics. White proletarian culture, for example, is getting hammered on multiple fronts, which is why white prole outcomes are beginning to look "black."

Anonymous BluntForceTrauma January 22, 2013 12:25 PM  

Where the fundamental religious and philosophical beliefs, which ultimately motivate actions, of whites, blacks, browns, and yellows are crap, their cultures and the economic conditions of their countries are crap.

Where their hearts and thinking are right, no matter the skin color, personal liberty flourishes and their countries prosper.

For example, a white who borrows heavily and refuses to work will be in just as much trouble as a brown who violates the same sound financial principles. Genetic skin color matters not in these kinds of instances.

Anonymous civilServant January 22, 2013 2:00 PM  

Cali still hasn't fallen off into the ocean yet?

In 1998 or so a study was published stating that the main potential disasters the United States faced were 1) a terrorist attack in New York 2) a category V hurricane in New Orleans and 3) a major earthquake in Los Angeles.

The section of the San Andreas fault from San Diego to the Grapevine is fairly unique. While other faults will creep and have small earthquakes over time this particular fault section remains fixed and moves only with a single major earthquake measuring 8.0 to 9.0 every three hundred years or so. The last movement on this fault section occurred about 320 years ago.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic January 22, 2013 2:43 PM  

Where their hearts and thinking are right, no matter the skin color, personal liberty flourishes and their countries prosper.

Yes, this Protestant-universalist view is indeed heartwarming. I can barely type for the tears. The facts on the ground are a little more complex however.

It is useless explaining to a society with lots of low-g individuals why they ought to allow Burger King franchises and eliminate blood money or corporal punishment from their jurisprudence. The institutions that Anglo-American frontier capitalists built are products of a very different set of genetics. What works to keep Anglo-Americans obeying the Ten Commandments is not what will work for Pacific Islanders or aboriginal Australians. Or even African-Americans or Sicilians or Prussians. It is what it is, and we are who we are.

The post-Enlightenment view in the West that inside all humans is this polite, non-sectarian secular democrat just waiting to get out is a fatal conceit. It will be remembered as the ideological turning point when the West decided to destroy itself.

Anonymous BluntForceTrauma January 22, 2013 3:00 PM  

I'm talking about a, well, let's call it a "Gospel view" that's been around for a couple thousand years now. And orthodox Xianity is about as far from pollyannish conceptions of human nature (quite the opposite), so I suggest more reading or discussion to broaden your understanding.

You perhaps have not seen truly vibrant Christian communities, all over the globe and amongst all races.

Your genetics are hogwash. I suppose you believe black guys have bigger dicks? Or that Jews are untermenschen?

Tears are sometimes cathartic. Try them. Jesus, you see, also wept.

Anonymous The Anti-Gnostic January 22, 2013 3:29 PM  

Sure. Race is just skin color, we all bleed red, and on and on. Spray-paint Caucasians and Africans green and you couldn't tell who was who. Interchangeable cogs, wherever the Chamber of Commerce or Lutheran Charities think we need to be. Thank goodness the Jews don't put any emphasis on such trivialities as mitochondrial DNA.

Liberia has a large and active Christian community. But as long as Liberians are running things--Christian or no--it will be an alien, uncomfortable place for non-Liberians.

Anonymous BluntForceTrauma January 22, 2013 4:14 PM  

I can see we'll have to agree to disagree.

You look at a dysfunctional ethnic group and blame it on genetics.

I look at a dysfunctional ethnic group and blame it on religion.

I think my results are more scientific, because I can show you Christian and non-Christian persons and communities from the same ethnic group and one will be dysfunctional and one won't. Race, in that case, is not the variable; it is their beliefs.

Caucasians were once barbarians, as well. And then they were Christianized. And then we had modern civilization. Caucasians without Christianity would be no better than the Negroid peoples.

If beliefs don't matter in shaping culture irrespective of race, then Vox's arguments that atheists are prone to genocide are invalid, for example. Pol Pot, Stalin, Idi Amin, Hitler. What race were they?

Anonymous Herman the German January 23, 2013 12:35 PM  

sprach von Teufelshunden said on: January 21, 2013 12:33 PM

Technically, I am a devil dog. My DD-214 says so...


Hmnn, then why do you call yourself "Voice of Devildogs"?.....or did you mean "Voice of the Devil's Dog?" or "TeufelHuendin"....Devil's (female dog)Bitch??...Maybe not a native speaker of German? :-)

Anyway, I love it when ANYONE gives props to my original tongue! :-) :-) :-) And you're absolutely right about "Following the Money". Well said.

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