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Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Jared Diamond and the Grass Hut Imperative

At least there is one left-liberal who is honest about his heartfelt desire to return to the Great Grass Hut Matriarchy:
....The World Until Yesterday, a vanity project marketed as anthropology. In this book, Diamond draws from his extensive field research in New Guinea to share his views on the shortcomings of contemporary American society. Primitive approaches to social problems, he thinks, would better serve our society. For example, he argues for: dedicating more resources to mediation as an alternative to civil lawsuits, establishing “conventional monopolies” to smooth out trade fluctuations, deemphasizing competition and the desire for excellence among children, on-demand nursing for infants, spending more time talking to our children, devising new living conditions for the elderly, accepting that the gulf between rich and poor in the United States provides an explanation of the popularity of religion in our country, preserving language diversity, and ending obesity.

At its core, the book is based on a fundamental contradiction. Diamond explains that the customs of primitive societies are not applicable to the characteristics of our society; then he proceeds to use those customs as the basis for recommendations for improving everything in our society from parenting to diet.
Apparently it's not enough that we're basing our trade policy upon early 19th century illogic, our monetary system upon early 20th century fraud, our economic system upon Depression-era nonsense, and our immigration policy upon a play written by a Jewish immigrant to Britain in 1908, Diamond wants us to go all the way back to cannibalism, huts, and throwing rocks at one another.

What I don't understand is why?  I mean, they don't actually ever go and live in Papua New Guinea or Deepest, Darkest Africa themselves, so why do they think that the primitive lifestyles that they favor should be imported and imposed upon the West?

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Blogger Giraffe January 23, 2013 1:23 PM  

so why do they think that the primitive lifestyles that they favor should be imported and imposed upon the West?

Probably for the looser sexual morals. They want to throw away civilization because they can't get laid.

Anonymous Mr Green Man January 23, 2013 1:25 PM  

In Marx & Satan, Wurmbrand recounted a letter from Marx wherein Marx said that he saw it as his purpose to chain all of mankind together, to drag them down to Satan, so as to deny God any elect.

Modern leftists have abandoned the Satanic phraseology, because they view themselves as the elite of the Luciferian majesty, if not the one on the Satanic throne.

Why move and actual live out the theory? It's so much better to force it on all those lesser people.

Anonymous Signe January 23, 2013 1:26 PM  

Probably for the looser sexual morals. They want to throw away civilization because they can't get laid.

This reminds me of Margaret Mead and her blatant lies about Samoa.

Just sayin'.

Blogger Giraffe January 23, 2013 1:29 PM  

We already have pretty loose morals, but it only benefits the alphas. Maybe he wants to be able to buy a woman with livestock.

Anonymous RINO January 23, 2013 1:33 PM  

I would like to know if Jared Diamond believes cannibalism can solve some of our nutritional/overpopulation issues:

"The Korowai tribe of south-eastern Papua could be one of the last surviving tribes in the world engaging in cannibalism, although there have been media reports of soldiers/rebels in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Liberia eating body parts[93] to intimidate child soldiers or captives.[94]"

Anonymous Signe January 23, 2013 1:37 PM  

Okay, there's too much WTF in the list:

Primitive approaches to social problems, he thinks, would better serve our society.

I think we've found Asher's real identity.

dedicating more resources to mediation as an alternative to civil lawsuits

Never mind that civil lawsuits are often settled through mediation after the filing. Allowing lawsuits implies that someone involved has rights, and we can't have that.

establishing “conventional monopolies” to smooth out trade fluctuations

Letting one person control an important product or service without competition is always a good way to prevent him from exploiting everyone.

deemphasizing competition and the desire for excellence among children

Teach them that mediocrity is better? That'll improve education, art, science, and quality of life.

on-demand nursing for infants

Um, isn't that kind of how it works?

spending more time talking to our children

If the word "NO" is involved, I totally agree.

devising new living conditions for the elderly

I detect ice floes in this phrase.

accepting that the gulf between rich and poor in the United States provides an explanation of the popularity of religion in our country

A lousy, nonsensical explanation.

preserving language diversity

Nothing helps communication like a thousand languages you don't speak.

and ending obesity.

Kuru and starvation do that, yes.

Anonymous dh January 23, 2013 1:40 PM  

Teach them that mediocrity is better? That'll improve education, art, science, and quality of life.
Ehh, this is one that's tempting to put into place. I am really tired of hearing about how everyones child is simply the best at something.

I have two children who are intensely mediocre at everything they do. I am, also, intensely mediocre at everything I do. I have not found anything which I am an excellent at. At best, I have found myself serviceable at bringing my wife to completion, and profficent enough at my profession to make a middle-class living. That's about it. Everything else is at best average, slightly above, or significantly below.

Anonymous Stickwick January 23, 2013 1:41 PM  

What I don't understand is why?

The grass hut is always greener on the other side.

This reminds me of Margaret Mead and her blatant lies about Samoa.

She was a lot more honest in her super-secret diaries. "Man, those Samoans are a surly bunch."

Anonymous dh January 23, 2013 1:42 PM  

I mean, they don't actually ever go and live in Papua New Guinea or Deepest, Darkest Africa themselves, so why do they think that the primitive lifestyles that they favor should be imported and imposed upon the West?
For the same reason that the shooting hasn't started yet. No one thinks it's "gotten that bad yet", and everyone thinks that society can still go in the "right direction" to avert the ultimate bad outcome.

Anonymous Ferd January 23, 2013 1:43 PM  

All I can say to this is,,, OOOGA BOOGA!!

Anonymous Koanic January 23, 2013 1:45 PM  

Judging from the number of defensive forearm fractures on native women in the region, wife beating will be a plus. *Thwack!*

Blogger James Dixon January 23, 2013 1:47 PM  

> ...so why do they think that the primitive lifestyles that they favor should be imported and imposed upon the West?

Who said the want to impose it on everyone? They'll be exempt, of course. Or at least, they think they will.

Anonymous Feh January 23, 2013 1:48 PM  

What I don't understand is why? I mean, they don't actually ever go and live in Papua New Guinea or Deepest, Darkest Africa themselves, so why do they think that the primitive lifestyles that they favor should be imported and imposed upon the West?

From the review,

"Most of Diamond’s examples are taken from his field research in New Guinea,"

So yeah, he knows exactly what kind of a shthole New Guinea is, but he wants us all to wallow in it anyway.

Anonymous Signe January 23, 2013 1:49 PM  

Well, that's fine, dh, but I'm talking about actively teaching kids that working hard for anything is a waste of time, and life is basically horseshoes and hand grenades.

I'm sure you wouldn't like to be told by your doctor that he removed the wrong kidney, but c'mon, you expect him to be perfect or something?

Seriously, there's merit to the pursuit of excellence, even if it's just maximizing your own performance.

Anonymous Signe January 23, 2013 1:51 PM  

Who said the want to impose it on everyone? They'll be exempt, of course. Or at least, they think they will.

For all that Ann Coulter is off in Dippyland, she did say once that liberal elites' idea of what America should look like is the Hamptons for them, and the rest of us clean their houses and live in trailers with no electricity or running water.

Anonymous DrTorch January 23, 2013 1:59 PM  

I recently started Diamond's book, "Guns, Germs, and Steel," and according to the author he has spent a lot of time living in New Guinea. So he's got that going for him. However, I guess there just isn't a lot of room for comfy academic appointments and book publishing opportunities in the grass hut society.

As for "Guns Germs and Steel," the book is terrible. It's a terrible book.

The author boasts about how his upbringing and training focused greatly on writing, then proceeds with a laden, plodding style that is heavy even for an academic treatise. He gave up pre-med to pursue professional bird watching, which led him to become versed and reasonably expert in a vast array of disciplines, most of which he summarizes as "historical science". He considers his personal anecdotes and preferences as better science than rigorously controlled (albeit controversial) testing. He defies logic with his conclusions, which support his political preferences.

However, by his own admission he intends to revolutionize history as a field of study, and put it on par with the historical sciences.

This book was popular with academics, which is a shocker. Who would have guessed a bunch of irrelevant ivory tower elitists would be smitten with a book by an illogical, impractical, boastful blowhard who defies rationality and good practice to celebrate revolutionary new hypotheses that are merely revisions to century old ideas?

Anonymous Ooga Booga January 23, 2013 2:00 PM  

"Primitive approaches to social problems, he thinks, would better serve our society."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Before_Civilization

eeley conducts an investigation of the archaeological evidence for prehistoric violence, including murder and massacre as well as war. He also looks at nonstate societies of more recent times — where we can name the tribes and peoples — and their propensity for warfare. It has long been known, for example, that many tribes of South America's tropical forest engaged in frequent and horrific warfare, but some scholars have attributed their addiction to violence to baneful Western influences.[citation needed]

Keeley says peaceful societies are an exception. About 90-95% of known societies engage in war. Those that did not are almost universally either isolated nomadic groups (for whom flight is an option), groups of defeated refugees, or small enclaves under the protection of a larger modern state. The attrition rate of numerous close-quarter clashes, which characterize warfare in tribal warrior society, produces casualty rates of up to 60%, compared to 1% of the combatants as is typical in modern warfare. Despite the undeniable carnage and effectiveness of modern warfare, the evidence shows that tribal warfare is on average 20 times more deadly than 20th century warfare, whether calculated as a percentage of total deaths due to war or as average deaths per year from war as a percentage of the total population.[citation needed] "Had the same casualty rate been suffered by the population of the twentieth century," writes Nicholas Wade, "its war deaths would have totaled two billion people."[1] In modern tribal societies, death rates from war are four to six times the highest death rates in 20th century Germany or Russia

Anonymous Feh January 23, 2013 2:04 PM  

For all that Ann Coulter is off in Dippyland, she did say once that liberal elites' idea of what America should look like is the Hamptons for them, and the rest of us clean their houses and live in trailers with no electricity or running water.

Cuba, North Korea, or the USSR -- paradise for the Vanguard of the Proletariat, hell on Earth for the Proles themselves.

Anonymous Unending Improvement January 23, 2013 2:06 PM  

Funny thing is I was once a member on THE Alternate History forum. They were a bunch of far leftists for the most part, but even they detested Jared Diamond.

I personally haven't read his book so I can't judge too much, but based on what I do know about it, I would say PNG is the last place we should imitate.

Anonymous Signe January 23, 2013 2:07 PM  

@ Ooga Booga

You mean a propensity toward violence could be *gasp!* part of human nature?

Say it ain't so, Ethel!

Anonymous Vidad January 23, 2013 2:10 PM  

I blame Gauguin.

Anonymous The Noble Savage January 23, 2013 2:12 PM  

I feel like I am experiencing a revival! Thank goodness for feminine sentiment of Romantic Primitivism.

Anonymous Shut Up Tad January 23, 2013 2:13 PM  

What, Tad hasn't chimed in yet to whine that VD is just jealous of Jared Diamond's success?

Anonymous Salt January 23, 2013 2:24 PM  

Grass huts. Guess that also means grass skirts and bonking women over the head and dragging them back to the man cave.

Would there still be cold beer?

Anonymous cheddarman January 23, 2013 2:24 PM  

Yet another insane leftist with jewish roots...not that i hate the jews, i dont, but it is no wonder thy have been booted out of so many countries over the years

Blogger Giraffe January 23, 2013 2:30 PM  

Don't let the rabbits find out that VD is commenting on a book he hasn't read.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard January 23, 2013 2:33 PM  

Guess that also means grass skirts and bonking women over the head and dragging them back to the man cave.

Yes, and it does help if they have long hair that they keep conveniently plaited. Wouldn't you agree, Signe?

Would there still be cold beer?

Fermented beverages are almost as old as your race.

Blogger ray January 23, 2013 2:36 PM  

At least there is one left-liberal who is honest about his heartfelt desire to return to the Great Grass Hut Matriarchy:


return?

amerika and almost all the west have been matriarchies for thirty years now

in our Personal is Political age, nobody wants to call anything what it actually is (understandable, given consequences)

the main reason matriarchy has endured is b/c the Fempire still has enough moolah and creative-capital left over from last century to stave off actual grass huts . . . indeed, to construct palaces and n.y. penthouses for the useless amongst us . . . empowered western women

the matriarchy already has forced hut-living on millions of folks . . . but they happen to be males, so, meh, doesnt really matter, not a problem

until it's YOUR turn! :O)

may i suggest internal antennae for better hut-reception? remember, you DESERVE your hut -- if not cage -- to balance out thousands of years of your oppression against white western females

Anonymous Stingray January 23, 2013 2:41 PM  

preserving language diversity

Nothing helps communication like a thousand languages you don't speak.


I think he be talking ebonics and other shiznit.

Anonymous Signe January 23, 2013 2:41 PM  

That was low, sir, really low. And misleading.

Anonymous Anonymous January 23, 2013 2:42 PM  

How come whenever I hear someone advocating primitivism the advocate is always a pussy, the likes of which would be mauled first?

Anonymous Signe January 23, 2013 2:43 PM  

indeed, to construct palaces and n.y. penthouses for the useless amongst us . . . empowered western women

Damn, where do I get one of those? Here I've been living in a dinky apartment because I thought I had to pay rent.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard January 23, 2013 2:45 PM  

Misleading? In what way? I simply asked you whether you agreed.

Truly, you seem overly defensive, Signe.

Anonymous Godfrey January 23, 2013 2:46 PM  

What I don't understand is why?

I think in some odd unexplainable way he thinks it "progress".

Blogger Bob Wallace January 23, 2013 2:47 PM  

"desire for excellence"

The phrase "pursuit of happiness" in the Declaration of Independence is a mistranslation of the word "eudaimonia," which is best translated as "human flourishing." You get it through arete' or excellence.

Arete' is sometimes translated as "virtue," the correct translation of which means "powers of man."

It is one of our inherent powers to be as good as we can at what we like, and in that way we can attain well-being, or flourishing. It is of course not guaranteed, which is why it's "the pursuit of happiness," not "the guarantee of happiness."

The best ways to attain these things is through political and economic liberty, not by a return to some non-existent Noble Savage Garden of Eden.

Anonymous Stingray January 23, 2013 2:47 PM  

That was low, sir, really low. And misleading.

The solipsism, it burns . . . . .

Is this directed at me?

Anonymous Signe January 23, 2013 2:48 PM  

You know exactly what you're doing, Your Lordship. I'm not playing your warped games with you.

Anonymous Signe January 23, 2013 2:49 PM  

Is this directed at me?

No, HIM. You know which one.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard January 23, 2013 2:50 PM  

I'm not playing your warped games with you.

At this moment.

Anonymous Stingray January 23, 2013 2:50 PM  

Ahhh. Sorry about that.

Anonymous kh123 January 23, 2013 3:01 PM  

Too bad the effects from his and other professors'/politicians' failed suggestions will come to fruition long after their names have been forgotten; such that there will be no L'Aquila for them in this life.

Though, as with any society that rotates through various revolutionary flavors of the month, who knows which way the winds in the media and academia will blow tomorrow, knocking folks like Diamond off their accredited ivory perch.

Anonymous Lysander Spooner January 23, 2013 3:02 PM  

A grass hutu in every pot.

Anonymous TheVillageIdiotRet January 23, 2013 3:11 PM  

Times were a lot simpler when we were cavemen and cavewomen
Troglodyte

DannyR

Anonymous Loki of Asgard January 23, 2013 3:16 PM  

After following your link, Danny, I now have the percussion track playing endlessly in my head.

When I rule this realm, you will be the first to perish.

Blogger GAHCindy January 23, 2013 3:28 PM  

Poor Jared. I haven't read this book, but I did read Guns, Germs, and Steel. How many books can one guy get out of his humiliation at being laughed at by New Guinean alphas for his inability to distinguish one kind of mushroom from the other? He's just trying to transfer his feelings of inferiority to them to our culture as a whole so he doesn't have to admit how impotent the natives made him feel. At least, that's my armchair psychiatrist's impression. I might just need another cup of coffee.

Anonymous DanG January 23, 2013 3:32 PM  

Whenever I see someone expressing admiration for stone-age cultures while disparaging Western civilization, I wonder, “If these primitive societies are so great, how come they never sent any anthropologists to study us?”

The “desire for excellence” motivated Europeans to establish universities, which eventually sent out scientists to study all the people of the world. From this, we learn that “desire for excellence” is bad. Therefore, the academy should never have existed, and Diamond should have spent his life hunting and fighting the neighboring tribe.

The very characteristics that Diamond finds so admirable would have prevented his own culture from developing to the position of even being aware of them.

Anonymous bub January 23, 2013 3:38 PM  

I'm in favor of the on-demand nursing.
Thinking of Christina Hendricks.

Anonymous TheVillageIdiotRet January 23, 2013 3:39 PM  

music hath charms...

Blogger Bob January 23, 2013 3:43 PM  

Would there still be cold beer?

Fermented beverages are almost as old as your race.

Cold beer... not some room temperaute concoction with bits of vegetation and vermin floating around in it.

Anonymous Daniel January 23, 2013 3:46 PM  

OT: Rand Paul dresses down Alan Greenspan for his role in Benghazi.

And look, Greenspan's wearing a wig!

Blogger Duke of Earl January 23, 2013 3:48 PM  

While I can see benefits in being able to survive off the land, and knowing which end of a spear to hold and which to stab with, I, and I suspect most people, are happier living in our "civilized" society.

Anonymous Daniel January 23, 2013 3:50 PM  

Cold beer... not some room temperaute concoction with bits of vegetation and vermin floating around in it.

Yes. Dude, what do you think the Ice Age was for?

Anonymous Loki of Asgard January 23, 2013 3:56 PM  

Cold beer... not some room temperaute concoction with bits of vegetation and vermin floating around in it.

Well, aren't we choosy. I suppose you would also like paper umbrellas.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein January 23, 2013 3:58 PM  

Would there still be cold beer?

Fermented beverages are almost as old as your race.

Cold beer... not some room temperaute concoction with bits of vegetation and vermin floating around in it.


My sentiments, also.

My girlfriend, Lennay Kekua (whom I've seen naked/slept with) concurs.

Anonymous . January 23, 2013 4:01 PM  

My response to the pinkos who say we should live in grass huts is the same as my response to the people who say we should dramatically reduce the human population:

"OK, you first."

Blogger Desert Cat January 23, 2013 4:03 PM  

Bob January 23, 2013 3:43 PM
Cold beer... not some room temperaute concoction with bits of vegetation and vermin floating around in it.

Put it out in the snowbank in the winter. Filter the bits through your teeth (whichever ones you have left).

Blogger Giraffe January 23, 2013 4:04 PM  

OT:

Great. Now sign them up for the the draft and we'll have true equality.

http://news.msn.com/politics/panetta-removes-military-ban-on-women-in-combat

Blogger Desert Cat January 23, 2013 4:05 PM  

Bah! "Beer" is easy enough. Martinis would be harder to come by.

Anonymous DonReynolds January 23, 2013 4:31 PM  

No idea why the Norman-Saxon race should copy the lifestyle of the Vikings, much less the even more primative savages in Samoa, or Mongolia or the deepest jungles of the Congo. Why would anyone believe that our OUTCOMES would be any different from the Third World, if we suddenly adopted their lifestyles, traditions and customs. This sounds like a perpetual frat toga party, but less civil, and no hope of improvement. Yeah, forget the bronze age, let's go back to the friggin stone age. This time we can call it the STONED age. Just think how the environment of the Earth would benefit. (snicker)

Anonymous cheddarman January 23, 2013 4:34 PM  

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/23/panetta-opens-combat-roles-to-women/

U.S. Sec. of Defense allows women in combat

way off topic, but assured to be a topic soon

Anonymous Porky? January 23, 2013 4:42 PM  

Hey, the hut dwellers invented bungie jumping and lion spearing so they can't be all that bad.

Anonymous Skillet January 23, 2013 5:20 PM  

Eddie Murphy already covered this with African jungle women in America:
"I want HALF!"

Www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts4sEBb2K3s

Anonymous timb January 23, 2013 10:29 PM  

Have you read the book?

Anonymous Jack Amok January 23, 2013 10:31 PM  

Primitive approaches to social problems, he thinks, would better serve our society.

I seem to recall primative approaches to social problems usually involve killing the people causing you a problem. This is simply inconsistent with gun control, unless the liberals are in favor of inefficiency. Alright, fine, we'll club them to death.


No idea why the Norman-Saxon race should copy the lifestyle of the Vikings...

You know the Norman's are Vikings, right?

Anonymous Josh January 24, 2013 12:15 AM  

You know the Norman's are Vikings, right?

I'm not sure I've ever come across "Norman-Saxon" before. Certainly the Normans and the Saxons didn't think they were the same race.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 24, 2013 1:55 AM  

Norman Saxon? I think he ran a music store on 5th Street in Eureka, California thirty years ago. It's a pawn shop now.

Angel Saxon was his wife. They fought like crazy.

Anonymous VD January 24, 2013 7:16 AM  

Have you read the book?

Guns, Germs, and Steel? Of course. I haven't read the new book which is reviewed at the link. What is the point of your question?

Blogger Giraffe January 24, 2013 12:37 PM  

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Anonymous MaMu1977 January 26, 2013 10:50 PM  

Quick observation: the end goal of any diehard liberal (regardless of cultural background) is "Brave New World", with themselves as the Alpha-Plusses and everyone else as the "savages". There's a reason for the lovingly ornate entry of the book on Wikipedia.

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