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Monday, January 14, 2013

The first shots are fired

However, at the moment, it's not violence, merely very loud political protest:
Rifle shots were fired early Monday into the Athens offices of Greece’s conservative party, which leads the fragile coalition government, causing no injuries but intensifying a wave of political violence in the debt-wracked country. 
Remember, the US is actually worse off than Greece, by some financial measures.  The only significant difference is that Greece can't print money because the ECB won't permit it, while the US can't print money because the Fed won't permit it.

I suspect these are the first shots to be fired in the great wave of political dissolution that is about to sweep over the world.

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124 Comments:

Anonymous Josh January 14, 2013 12:06 PM  

Greece needs gun control.

Look at those terrible guns, causing a sovereign debt crisis!

Anonymous Josh January 14, 2013 12:08 PM  

I suspect these are the first shots to be fired in the great wave of political dissolution that is about to sweep over the world.

1 what do you think is the best historical parallel to the current situation?

2 any estimates on how long the "about to" is?

Anonymous JartStar January 14, 2013 12:08 PM  

When people feel they have little or nothing to lose or perhaps a whole lost more to gain the shooting starts.

Anonymous Stilicho January 14, 2013 12:09 PM  

Here embattled debtors stood and fired the shot heard 'round the world?

Anonymous John Regan January 14, 2013 12:10 PM  

Speaking for myself I would greatly prefer a more lawful and orderly denouement, such as a constitutional amendment in the US:

http://strikelawyer.wordpress.com/2011/12/27/saving-the-world-revised-edition-part-ii/

Not that I'm holding out much hope. It seems Americans have lost their sense of self-government.

Anonymous Noah B. January 14, 2013 12:18 PM  

I was thinking the same thing when I heard about the pipe bombs being set off near banksters' homes.

Anonymous Cryan Ryan January 14, 2013 12:21 PM  

There once was a fine fellow from Greece,
Who lost to black thieves all his geese,
then he heard a loud noise
And found a group of Somali boys,
Out in the garden raping his neice.

Anonymous Pierce Morgan January 14, 2013 12:23 PM  

Rifle shots... from an ASSAULT RIFLE???!!

Seriously, I hear there are super-powered magic rifles being stocked up by the Michigan Militia ...these military-style mini-cannons can shoot down an airplane with 9000 rounds a second.

It's the same dangerous machine-gun-like weapon some guy used to shoot up little schoolchildren.

IT MUST BE STOPPED!

Anonymous Lysander Spooner January 14, 2013 12:30 PM  

Gyros and Baklava for all !!

For the Americans:

Spam and Twinkies !!

Blogger Giraffe January 14, 2013 12:34 PM  

If Obama passes the same assault weapons ban we had before, no big deal, nobody will do much. Sucky part is they probably wouldn't have a sunset this time.

If Obama bans the manufacture of scary black rifles (Raciss!) by passing Feinkenstein's bill, things will be interesting. The part about registering one's guns is particularly offensive. I think there would be blood, but the zombies would win this round. Millions would break the law by not registering.

If Obama does anything leading to door to door confiscation bullets will fly.

Anonymous JartStar January 14, 2013 12:45 PM  


1 what do you think is the best historical parallel to the current situation?

There are a few similarities between now and 5-20 years before WWII on the economic front. The world is coming out of a massive boom and entering a bust phase.

On the military front there’s not nearly as much nationalism or militarism, particularly in the East. China is still at least a decade away from being a serious threat, but depending on what they do it could be sooner.

Besides the US, the rest of the West is severely lacking in naval power, which is why you see Argentina making waves about the Falkland islands. It is unknown if the UK has the ability to defend it again. If Argentina wins and France fails in Mali the third world will take notice and you will see more bucking of the colonial powers. In return, the West faced with a depression may militarize as well.

Keep in mind this is all serious conjecture as nobody knows the future and can only see what people have done in the past. Things will have to continue to get worse before nations start shooting at each other in a serious way.

Anonymous Stilicho January 14, 2013 12:45 PM  

Speaking of shots fired, here's one for the NWA was right ledger: Moonlighting cops shoot driver and his mother

Turns out the driver ran a red light and was also wanted in Georgia for traffic violations. Solution? High speed chase ending with the shooting of the unarmed driver as well as his mother who was riding in the back seat...

The police claim that the driver was using his vehicle as a weapon (even though he did not hit or try to hit any person). So, I expect Feinstein, Obama, Schumer, Cuomo, et al. to immediately call for banning of motor vehicles, or, at the very least, reasonable restrictions on size and speed since no one needs a vehicle that will go faster than 25 mph or is bigger than a golf cart. They would at least be on stronger ground vis a vis the Constitution although they'd still lose the moral case.

Blogger James Dixon January 14, 2013 12:46 PM  

> If Obama bans the manufacture of scary black rifles (Raciss!) by passing Feinkenstein's bill, things will be interesting.

If the house republicans allow any such bill to pass things will indeed get interesting.

Anonymous Clay January 14, 2013 12:54 PM  

Legislation? What makes you think Obama is going to use "legislation"?

Blogger Giraffe January 14, 2013 12:58 PM  

Legislation? What makes you think Obama is going to use "legislation"?

Someone should remind him about the last time we had a king.

Anonymous Stilicho January 14, 2013 1:00 PM  

Legislation? We don't need no stinking legislation!

Sincerely,

The Three Pendejos

Anonymous Shawn January 14, 2013 1:11 PM  

Could the US be an amalgam?

Culturally like Russia pre-Bolshevik.
Economically like France pre-Jacobin.
Militarily like sun-setting British Empire.
Politically like Athens at the wane of Democracy.

Anonymous Frederick303 January 14, 2013 1:14 PM  

Join the NRA, your best chance at making a positive statement regarding gun control. There are now 4.2 million members, with ~80 million gun owners. if the Lobby can be the face of 8 million, just 10 percent of gun owners the likelihood of any sort of ban will be much less.

Yes it costs 30~35 dollars a year, but that is much cheaper then the alternative

Anonymous Mina January 14, 2013 1:19 PM  

"When People Lose Everything, They Have Nothing Left To Lose, And They Lose It" - Gerald Celente.

I've been watching Greece pretty closely for two-three years. Looks like they finally reached the breaking point.

Look out below. The rest of the PIIGS to follow ...

Blogger Giraffe January 14, 2013 1:20 PM  

@Frederick303

The NRA is as worthless as the Republican Party, and just as traitorous. Join Gun Owners of America instead.

Anonymous harry12 January 14, 2013 1:20 PM  

Frederick303:
Join the NRA...


Or join the JPFO. ( It's an interesting organization... )

Anonymous Mina January 14, 2013 1:21 PM  

"Millions would break the law by not registering." - an unconstitutional law is not a law.

Right? Nullification? Does it apply to mandatory registration?

Blogger James Dixon January 14, 2013 1:23 PM  

> Join the NRA, your best chance at making a positive statement regarding gun control.

Oh, that's a good one. Thanks, I needed a good laugh today.

Anonymous Porky? January 14, 2013 1:24 PM  

Join the NRA...

Sorry. A cop in every school? No thanks.

Anonymous paradox January 14, 2013 1:25 PM  

Pierce Morgan January 14, 2013 12:23 PM

Seriously, I hear there are super-powered magic rifles being stocked up by the Michigan Militia ...these military-style mini-cannons can shoot down an airplane with 9000 rounds a second.


Seriously, I would have believed a redcoat Marxist pundit would know "assault rifles" are more powerful than the ring of Sauron.

Anonymous Mina January 14, 2013 1:26 PM  

Don't need a cop in every school if the staff are allowed to conceal carry.

Cop in every school a problem? there ya go. Problem Solved!

Anonymous Josh January 14, 2013 1:34 PM  

Join the NRA, your best chance at making a positive statement regarding gun control.

I don't join gun control organizations.

Anonymous Josh January 14, 2013 1:35 PM  

Don't need a cop in every school if the staff are allowed to conceal carry.Cop in every school a problem? there ya go. Problem Solved!

Or just disband the cops and the schools. Problem solved, problem staying solved.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2013 1:37 PM  

"Join the NRA, your best chance at making a positive statement regarding gun control."

Dude... STFU.

You want to join a gun rights organization? GOA.

Anonymous Noah B. January 14, 2013 1:38 PM  

"Sorry. A cop in every school? No thanks."

The sad thing is that the "cop in every school" plan was the best they could come up with after having a whole week to think about it.

"Don't need a cop in every school if the staff are allowed to conceal carry."

Exactly.

Anonymous Mina January 14, 2013 1:40 PM  

I haven't read it yet, but I did order it. Anyone here read it and have a review?
Enjoy the Decline

Blogger James Dixon January 14, 2013 1:43 PM  

> "Don't need a cop in every school if the staff are allowed to conceal carry."

Or, as Josh notes, if there are no public schools.

Anonymous stg58/Animal Mother January 14, 2013 1:46 PM  

NRA?

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahshahshah

Anonymous Mina January 14, 2013 1:47 PM  

"no public schools" - would certainly eliminate a lot of the social programming that goes on (among other things) and the collecting of a lot of a community's little ones all in one convenient place for the deranged madmen made suicidal by the big pharm drugs forced upon them during THEIR social programming ... what a weird, sick circle jerk this all is. :-(

Blogger James Dixon January 14, 2013 1:50 PM  

Mina, thanks for that link. I've forwarded it on to someone who may be interested.

Anonymous Josh January 14, 2013 1:51 PM  

Are there any gun rights organizations that support my right to own an Abrams tank?

If not, I should start one.

Blogger Giraffe January 14, 2013 1:54 PM  

If not, I should start one.

Count me in, but you'll have to keep the dues low. I'm saving up for an Apache.

Anonymous GOA January 14, 2013 1:55 PM  

I've noticed that since these past couple of mass shootings, I don't seem to be getting the Updates / Alerts from GOA very frequently, which I find odd.

Blogger Giraffe January 14, 2013 2:04 PM  

In browsing around the GOA site while renewing my membership:


Pending Bills:
H.R. 808

(Kucinich et al.):

This bill would establish a Department of Peace.


[Insert JQP rant here]

Anonymous HardReturn¶ January 14, 2013 2:08 PM  

This knee-jerk "cop in every school" idea sounds like a recycled version of Clinton's "100,000 new cops" mantra of 20 years ago. Doing research for writing a reference book back in the '90s I got useful help from GOA and JPFO, not so much from NRA.

Anonymous Lysander Spooner January 14, 2013 2:08 PM  

"Enjoy the Decline"

@MINA

AMAZON IN CART, THANKS :)

Anonymous MendoScot January 14, 2013 2:15 PM  

Besides the US, the rest of the West is severely lacking in naval power, which is why you see Argentina making waves about the Falkland islands. It is unknown if the UK has the ability to defend it again. If Argentina wins...

Argentina's military are a fraction of what they were 30 years ago. The navy and air force have been particularly hard hit, and neither are trusted by the current government (a mutual feeling, to be sure).

The hysteria in the Argentine official press over the recent deployment of the Type 45 destroyer (judged capable of taking out the remaining Argentine air force all by its lonesome) is an indication of how unlikely a new military scenario is in the forseeable future.

And, of course, Argentina is prohibited by its current constitution from using force to acquire the Falklands - for what that's worth.

Anonymous Tad's Brain January 14, 2013 2:21 PM  

I sure hope there wasn't a 30 round clip on the gun that fired that shot...

Anonymous Josh January 14, 2013 2:25 PM  

Count me in, but you'll have to keep the dues low. I'm saving up for an Apache.

Maybe we can get a group discount

Blogger Nate January 14, 2013 2:27 PM  

"I sure hope there wasn't a 30 round clip on the gun that fired that shot..."

Guns have magazines.

Clips go in your hair Sally.

Anonymous Tad's Brain January 14, 2013 2:33 PM  

I'd be all for a guns-for-hair-clips government exchange program...

Anonymous stg58/Animal Mother January 14, 2013 2:37 PM  

M1 Garands have en bloc clips.

Anonymous Tallen January 14, 2013 2:38 PM  

I've noticed that since these past couple of mass shootings, I don't seem to be getting the Updates / Alerts from GOA very frequently, which I find odd.

I've been seeing heaps more from them on facebook.

Blogger ajw308 January 14, 2013 2:57 PM  

Mr. Gewar, you beat me to it.

Easy way to identify it, if it has a spring, it's a magazine, if not, it's a clip.

Nate,
I'm shocked to see you make such a mistake. Your penance is to go to the range with a Garand and fire it till you smash your thumbnail.

Blogger ajw308 January 14, 2013 3:05 PM  

Mr. Gewar, you beat me to it.

Easy way to identify it, if it has a spring, it's a magazine, if not, it's a clip.

Nate,
I'm shocked to see you make such a mistake. Your penance is to go to the range with a Garand and fire it till you smash your thumbnail.

Blogger Giraffe January 14, 2013 3:09 PM  

Stag Arms:

We would like to thank all of our customers for your support. Currently we have approximately two years of backorders for rifles, upper halves, and lower receivers. Due to this overwhelming demand most of our office staff have temporarily been pulled from their normal positions to pack and ship orders. This will allow us to get our products into your hands as fast as possible before any potential governmental restriction.

emphasis added.

Anonymous WaterBoy January 14, 2013 3:16 PM  

It's likely that Nate was probably addressing the "30-round clip", not clips in general.

The original M-1 Garand clip only holds 8 rounds, for example. I'm not as up on firearms as others around here, but I've never heard mention of a 30-round clip on any rifle; only 30-round magazines.

Anonymous Mina January 14, 2013 3:18 PM  

Went to my local gun shop for a bit of shopping yesterday. Shelves were BARE. I have never seen the place as packed with people shopping or as bare of guns - ever.

Was told that a shipment of AR-15s are coming in Thurs, but likely are all on special order and will be picked up before they hit the shelves for general purchase.

Settled on the Ruger Mini-14 which I will pick up this afternoon.

Can't wait to take it out, shoot it and get to know it better. :-)

Blogger Nate January 14, 2013 3:19 PM  

" Your penance is to go to the range with a Garand and fire it till you smash your thumbnail."

now if I can only find a 30-round stripper clip...

Blogger Nate January 14, 2013 3:20 PM  

"Settled on the Ruger Mini-14 which I will pick up this afternoon.

Can't wait to take it out, shoot it and get to know it better. :-)"

Oh sweet lord... Why didn't you ask us first? Dude there is a reason they had that piece of shit there when they were sold out of everything else.

Anonymous Stilicho January 14, 2013 3:24 PM  

an unconstitutional law is not a law.

Indeed. It is treated as void ab initio (from the beginning). Of course, TPTB will treat it as valid until forced to do otherwise, so your mileage may vary.

Blogger Giraffe January 14, 2013 3:28 PM  

Actually Ruger has made some accuracy improvements to the mini-14 in recent years. I hope you got one of those. You'd still be better off with an AR. For the price you could have bought 3 decent bolt actions.

Anonymous Mina January 14, 2013 3:31 PM  

Nate January 14, 2013 3:20 PM:

I didn't want you all to think I was a dumb girl. Fail. LOL

I did my due diligence when I got home and found a couple of things that I did like:
recoil is handle-able for a small woman (I am very strong but little)
it's been marketed for decades as a farm/ranch rifle (we live on a farm)
the accuracy isn't fabulous but good enough for most applications
and ... ta - da ... it was in my budget (under $1000)

what DON'T you like about it? I can still cancel ...

Anonymous Stilicho January 14, 2013 3:32 PM  

Speaking of bolt guns, saw some nice Weatherbys on the shelf. Also saw Col. Cooper's brainchild, the scout rifle made by Ruger. Anyone have any experience with it?

Anonymous Mina January 14, 2013 3:34 PM  

Also I should have said : I was only in a rush to purchase what I wouldn't be allowed to purchase if a ban went through.

There is no rush to purchase shotguns and other hunting type weapons that will (theoretically) still be available "after".

The gun salesman didn't think the AR-15 was going to offer features that I needed that would be worth the $800 additional cost.

but ... you guys tell me ... what features am I willing to pay another $800 for? I have no emotional investment in this decision whatsoever.

Anonymous Stilicho January 14, 2013 3:36 PM  

Actually Ruger has made some accuracy improvements to the mini-14 in recent years. I hope you got one of those.

A relative had one of the old ones which, I know for a fact, has not been cleaned in 20 years. It is still quite accurate, never jammed, miss-fed, miss-fired, etc. over decades of target practice and killing many deer. Unfortunately, it is an exception and not the rule.

Anonymous Mr. Pea January 14, 2013 3:41 PM  

While an M4 would have been better, your Ruger is just fine. Accessorize it and make it look like a evil assault rifle.

Don't listen to a guy who thinks a Glock is a piece of crap.

Anonymous Mina January 14, 2013 3:42 PM  

"I know for a fact, has not been cleaned in 20 years. It is still quite accurate, never jammed, miss-fed, miss-fired, etc. over decades of target practice and killing many deer. Unfortunately, it is an exception and not the rule."

Interesting. All the research I did says that is the Rule. The main complaint I found was accuracy isn't great. Which is ok since I am no major marksman (yet)

I am not great about cleaning and I wanted something reliable even if it's not pristinely cleaned every time its used.

Also one that takes common types of ammo and for which there are spare parts (ie lots of them in circulation.)

Anonymous Noah B. January 14, 2013 3:43 PM  

If you're looking for something low budget, an SKS would probably serve you better than a mini-14. Recoil isn't bad with just about any .223, 5.56, or 7.62x39. If you do stay with the mini-14, make sure you have good quality magazines that you actually test in the rifle. I haven't done much with mini-14's in years so I don't know if there are any decent magazines for them that are made by anyone other than Ruger. During the assault ban I had lots of problems with USA brand mini-14 mags. I would recommend that you stay away from those if you happen to find them.

Anonymous Stilicho January 14, 2013 3:46 PM  

Mina,

The most important feature is that it hits what you aim it at. Every time. Reliability and accuracy. To achieve those, it must be a design proven in the field in a variety of condition and you must be comfortable shooting it and practiced with it. I would recommend an AR 15. Specifically, an M4 (carbine) variant since it's a little shorter and lighter (easier for many women to handle). The M4 does not have the longer range accuracy of the standard AR, but it is easily good up to 300 meters or so. You should be able to find one around 1100 dollars.

Anonymous Mina January 14, 2013 3:46 PM  

"Don't listen to a guy who thinks a Glock is a piece of crap."

I'd love some handgun recommendations. That's next.

I already have a beautiful Sig Sauer that I inherited from my gun-collecting father. It is in desperate need of a good cleaning.

RE: the Ruger. I am sure my tastes will elevate as I add expertise and experience. Much as I love to shoot and am enthusiastic about supporting the 2nd amendment I am a total novice at this point.

However my taste for data is voracious so please - lay it on me.

Blogger Giraffe January 14, 2013 3:51 PM  

Speaking of bolt guns, saw some nice Weatherbys on the shelf. Also saw Col. Cooper's brainchild, the scout rifle made by Ruger. Anyone have any experience with it?

Well here's some gun pron on one of my favorite youtube channels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhOnOFEH6ps
part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPoYwyxXo_U

This guy is not really a rifle guy, and they aren't always extremely technical videos, but I enjoy them.

@Mina
but ... you guys tell me ... what features am I willing to pay another $800 for? I have no emotional investment in this decision whatsoever.

An AR should cost $800. Not an additional $800.

My biggest gripe with the Mini-14 is the accuracy. And that has gotten better. I have not owned one, so I'm hardly an expert. The other thing I figure is for what a new mini-14 costs, you can buy an AR so why buy second best. Right now your choices are hosed so maybe get what you can.

Being a woman, you may find it better for you because it isn't so damn heavy, although an AR doesn't have to be heavy either.

Anonymous Mina January 14, 2013 3:51 PM  

"The M4 does not have the longer range accuracy of the standard AR, but it is easily good up to 300 meters or so. You should be able to find one around 1100 dollars."

I was interested in the AR15 M4 but they had no idea when they were going to get any in ... could be several weeks. I'll ask again before I finalize my purchase today.

"If you do stay with the mini-14, make sure you have good quality magazines that you actually test in the rifle. I haven't done much with mini-14's in years so I don't know if there are any decent magazines for them that are made by anyone other than Ruger. During the assault ban I had lots of problems with USA brand mini-14 mags. I would recommend that you stay away from those if you happen to find them."

I have heard that after-market magazines = bad. Buy from Ruger. I'll pick up a couple today as I get a 10% discount on accessories and ammo when I go in to pick up.

Anonymous Mina January 14, 2013 3:52 PM  

The Ruger Mini-14 was $750 and the AR-15 was $1400 at this particular store.

Anonymous Stilicho January 14, 2013 3:54 PM  

Mina,

Remember, it is not a question of which gun to buy. Rather, it is a question of which gun to buy FIRST. Welcome to the ranks of those bitterly clinging to their God and their guns.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2013 3:55 PM  

"what DON'T you like about it? I can still cancel ... "

The accuracy of the mini-14 is simply pathetic... and anyone that says otherwise simply can't shoot.

Look hitting a plate at 50 yards is pistol accuracy... not rifle accuracy. At 100 yards... rifles make 1 hole. If it WON'T make 1 hole at 100 yards... its pure crap.

Seriously.

I've told the story 1000 times but I'll tell it one more time... a friend bought one... and couldn't shot better than 10 inch groups at 100 yards. He called Ruger, and they told him, "yeah.. that's within design expectations." He was like... "no... that sucks." but they wouldn't do anything for him.

So he took it to a local gunsmith... who took one look at it... and handed it back to him, and said, "Call a plumber. I only work on rifles."

Only accurate rifles are even worth considering. And considering hi-point makes carbines for half the money that will out shoot a mini-14... that should tell you everything you need to know.

I shouldn't be able to shoot tighter groups with a snubby .357 than you can shoot with a rifle. Dig?

Blogger Giraffe January 14, 2013 3:55 PM  

However my taste for data is voracious so please - lay it on me.

review of the mini-14

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej39umHaB08


Anonymous Stilicho January 14, 2013 3:56 PM  

the AR-15 was $1400 at this particular store.

A bit higher than many I've seen in the last few days. Was it by chance accessorized with rails, grip, scope or red dot sights, etc?

Anonymous Mina January 14, 2013 3:57 PM  

I shouldn't be able to shoot tighter groups with a snubby .357 than you can shoot with a rifle. Dig?

Yep. I hear you. I live on an 8 acre property with precious mammals all about. I aim to protect them by sniping from the rooftops if necessary. I need to hit my targets. I dig.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2013 3:58 PM  

Mina
I would be looking for a kel-tec SU-16C. Otherwise... I would gamble. This is just not the time to buy an AR. This fear mongering will die down and the prices will drop back down to something reasonable.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2013 3:59 PM  

If you HAVE to have an AR... keep an eye on wal-mart. They sell out quickly but they continually get more in as well. You can pick up a SIG AR for about 899.

Anonymous Stilicho January 14, 2013 4:01 PM  

10 inch groups at 100 yards

That is pathetic. I can do better with my bow. Hell, I can probably do better with a slingshot. I'd be willing to try to match that with indirect fire buckshot from a 12 gauge...

Anonymous Stilicho January 14, 2013 4:02 PM  

You can pick up a SIG AR for about 899
That is a great price, they WILL go quickly.

Anonymous Mina January 14, 2013 4:04 PM  

I live in Illinois. I think there's a better than average chance that even if the assault weapons ban at the Fed level dies, it won't die here.

I am sure you all saw the news about New York this morning. This is the direction Illinois is headed. Minus the confiscation - maybe.

Anonymous Noah B. January 14, 2013 4:06 PM  

One of the biggest advantages of the newer flat-top AR type rifles is the mounting rail on top of the rifle. This will allow you to mount a red dot sight, which greatly improves your ability to fight in low light conditions and helps to speed up target acquisition during daytime, too. Of these sights the Eotech seems to be the best deal, but Aimpoint and Trijicon sights are also very nice.

This may seem minor but it's a huge advantage of the AR type rifles. You really do need to hold an AR with a red dot sight to see what I mean.

Anonymous Mina January 14, 2013 4:07 PM  

Giraffe January 14, 2013 3:55 PM: Thank you. This is the exact weapon that I purchased.

Anonymous Noah B. January 14, 2013 4:08 PM  

"I would be looking for a kel-tec SU-16C."

Very nice rifle and they do seem to work well.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2013 4:12 PM  

"Don't listen to a guy who thinks a Glock is a piece of crap."

I've never said Glocks were crap. I say they are girl's guns. And they are. My wife carries a Glock 36. I've run plates at 50 yards 10 out 10 times with it.. as well as with a Glock 33.

There are design flaws (unsupported chamber in the .40s for example)but they are not crap.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2013 4:14 PM  

"I live in Illinois. I think there's a better than average chance that even if the assault weapons ban at the Fed level dies, it won't die here. "

Jesus... Darlin' your first job isn't to get an AR... its to get the hell out of Illinois. God what would cross your mind to even THINK about staying in that shithole?

Blogger Nate January 14, 2013 4:16 PM  

"'That is pathetic. I can do better with my bow. Hell, I can probably do better with a slingshot. I'd be willing to try to match that with indirect fire buckshot from a 12 gauge..."

We actually checked the barrel to see if maybe they forgot to rifle it.

Anonymous Mina January 14, 2013 4:16 PM  

"God what would cross your mind to even THINK about staying in that shithole?"

10-4 on that, too.

At least they can't ban pit bulls. Apparently just guns.

Anonymous Mr. Pea January 14, 2013 4:17 PM  

10 inch groups at 100 yards

Sometimes I wonder what planet you live on. Shitty shooter indeed.

Anonymous stg58/Animal Mother January 14, 2013 4:19 PM  

Nate,

My wife had to ditch her Glock because she couldn't stop it from stovepiping. She got an FN P model .40 and life is good.

Blogger Giraffe January 14, 2013 4:21 PM  

I shot a sig .40 yesterday at the gun shop. It's probably next on my list.

Nate, what would you recommend in a DA/SA for carry? I finally shot a 1911 this summer and I can't say it felt right. But I liked the Sig.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2013 4:22 PM  

"Sometimes I wonder what planet you live on. Shitty shooter indeed."

The guy shooting that mini-14 was a former alternate on US olympic team hoss. It wasn't him.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2013 4:26 PM  

"Nate, what would you recommend in a DA/SA for carry?"

CZ. if you want a 9mm you can go with the CZ Rami BD. If you're looking for a .45.. can't go wrong with a CZ-97 BD.

I don't believe in the whole "concealed carry guns must be tiny!" mantra. I learned to carry with a full sized taurus pt-101 dammit. You can conceal damned near anything.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2013 4:27 PM  

Giraffe... the grip angle on the 1911 is a problem for some folks. Its just not natural for them. no shame it in.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2013 4:28 PM  

"Nate,

My wife had to ditch her Glock because she couldn't stop it from stovepiping. She got an FN P model .40 and life is good."

This was happening with several different kinds of ammo?

Anonymous Signe January 14, 2013 4:30 PM  

I've just been given a Smith and Wesson M&P. It has a pink grip and I can shoot it more times than it takes for me to hit something. That's all I know about it, that and I do feel badass with it strapped to my thigh under my skirt.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2013 4:32 PM  

Signe...

Carrying a firearm shouldn't make you feel badass. It should have a rather humbling effect. because you can't shoot your mouth off... or put yourself in a bad situation... or you may have to use it.

Anonymous Signe January 14, 2013 4:34 PM  

It's not loaded, Nate. You think I'm going to risk shooting myself in the butt? I'm like Barney Fife sometimes.

Anonymous Mina January 14, 2013 4:36 PM  

"the AR-15 was $1400 at this particular store.

A bit higher than many I've seen in the last few days. Was it by chance accessorized with rails, grip, scope or red dot sights, etc?"

They were completely out - not even a floor model to see to understand what I should be comparing to, sadly.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard January 14, 2013 4:44 PM  

It's not loaded, Nate. You think I'm going to risk shooting myself in the butt? I'm like Barney Fife sometimes.

Signe...

Blogger Giraffe January 14, 2013 4:44 PM  

Giraffe... the grip angle on the 1911 is a problem for some folks. Its just not natural for them. no shame it in.

I'm not convinced that I couldn't get used to it. I think the trigger pull was a little too stiff was the main thing. A friend of mine got it from a guy getting butt-raped in a divorce and if I had come across that deal I'd own it. I always wanted one.

The gun shop I was at yesterday had plenty of bolt guns and shotguns, but the handguns cases were nearly bare and the AR-rack was empty.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2013 4:50 PM  

AR's are just gone. Gunshow this weekend... folks were paying 1500 bucks for the cheap-o's. hell I saw a hi-point carbine in 9mm go for over 500 bucks. These are 199 dollar guns people!! Crap is crazy!

Anonymous Noah B. January 14, 2013 4:54 PM  

"10 inch groups at 100 yards"

A friend of mine once got a great deal on a surplus Lee Enfield. We took it to the range at got about a 2 foot group out of it at 100 yards. Naturally that caused us to have a look at the bore. Man, it was ugly. Rusted, pitted, rifling pretty much gone. But it fired.

Blogger Giraffe January 14, 2013 4:55 PM  

A guy walked into the gun shop here the day after the election and spent about $20k on AR's and a Barret. I wish I was a dealer these last 4 year. Obama would have funded my retirement.

Anonymous stg58/Animal Mother January 14, 2013 4:58 PM  

Nate'

Yes, different ammo as well as different shooters. My wife would fire three rounds, stovepipe. I would fire eight rounds with no stovepiping, then give it to her friend. More stovepiping. I used Wolf, PMC amd another brand I can't remember.

Her FN has never stovepiped on her.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard January 14, 2013 5:05 PM  

In case I was not quite clear, Signe, you have that gun in case SHIELD agents shoot at you again. I do not appreciate you treating a weapon, which should be approached with respect and restraint, like a bit of naughty lingerie.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2013 5:09 PM  

" I do not appreciate you treating a weapon, which should be approached with respect and restraint, like a bit of naughty lingerie."

Perhaps if you hadn't gotten her the pink one....

Blogger Giraffe January 14, 2013 5:09 PM  

Shut up Loki.

Signe, wear whatever lingerie you want. Send me pics.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2013 5:10 PM  

"Yes, different ammo as well as different shooters."

wierd. I'm certain their are whole disertations written one what would make a Glock do such a thing... but I can say honestly I've seen it happen.

Anonymous stg58/Animal Mother January 14, 2013 5:17 PM  

I discussed it with the Glock armorer at my gun store. He told me it was not uncommon for women to have that happen, and t has to do with the way they hold the gun. Glocks are more susceptible to this than other pistols are due to their design. The grip moves backwards in their hand along with the slide, preventing the slide from its full range of motion necessary to perform all the functions needed to eject the case, load a new round and cock the hammer.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2013 5:20 PM  

like I say... DrWho has carried a glock for a long long time... put lots of rounds through hers... never happened.

Anonymous RC January 14, 2013 5:21 PM  

A guy walked into the gun shop here the day after the election and spent about $20k on AR's and a Barret. I wish I was a dealer these last 4 year. Obama would have funded my retirement" - Giraffe

If you didn't find yourself in jail.

Anonymous Mina January 14, 2013 5:22 PM  

I have a Sig Sauer P238 handgun and it works really nicely for me. It's dirty, I should keep it cleaner (Dad was meticulous with it) but it doesn't jam and functions perfectly.

Again I am not an expert with it, but it is enjoyable to shoot and easy for a smallish woman to handle.

I also think it's size is perfect.

Anonymous Mina January 14, 2013 5:23 PM  

~ oh boy ... "its size" ~

(there's some suggestive programming going on from all my time on Facebook, sorry)

Blogger Nate January 14, 2013 5:33 PM  

Mina... actually it is a myth that "it's" and "its" is in someway correct or incorrect. Historically speaking both are correct.

Anonymous scoobius dubious January 14, 2013 5:45 PM  

"Historically speaking both are correct."

WARNING! DANGER! PEDANTIC ASSHOLE (MOI) ALERT: Yes, true, and yet we don't live in all of history, we live right now. Chaucer's English was right for Chaucer, but not for us. And right now, "its" is possessive, and "it's" is a contraction of "it is" or "[there (understood)] it is", as in "It's......... Monty Python's Flying Circus!" Ben Jonson said he wouldn't trust an Englishman who couldn't think of five different ways to spell any word, but Ben Jonson is long gone, and Johnson trumps Jonson, so to speak. Does "her's" or "hi's" look correct to you?

I don't lecture people here about guns; AVISO -- do NOT come between me and the English language.



Anonymous Signe January 14, 2013 5:52 PM  

I do not appreciate you treating a weapon...like a bit of naughty lingerie.

You're going to fire me if I say "at this moment", aren't you, Your Lordship?

Anonymous Stilicho January 14, 2013 5:58 PM  

Giraffe: Thanks for the link on the Gunsite Scout.

Blogger Giraffe January 14, 2013 6:45 PM  

Giraffe: Thanks for the link on the Gunsite Scout.

No problem. He's not really a rifle guy, but maybe you can get something out of it.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2013 7:35 PM  

"I don't lecture people here about guns; AVISO -- do NOT come between me and the English language."

sorry mate... but your elementary school teacher was wrong. she was also wrong when she told you that ending a sentence in a prepositional phrase is grammatically incorrect.

Style and grammar are not the same.

Anonymous scoobius dubious January 14, 2013 8:13 PM  

"sorry mate... but your elementary school teacher was wrong."

Heh. You think I had an elementary school teacher. Just like you have an idea about teacher-pupil relations, even as we speak.

"Style and grammar are not the same."

Oh, good, I'll tell my friends. They'll be utterly fascinated to know what you have to say about style and grammar.

Stick to guns, mate, you're on sure footing there, I'll warrant. But you're a good dude, and so I won't smack you straight across your f#cking mouth for your impertinence. This time, anyway.

Onya.





Anonymous The other skeptic January 14, 2013 8:41 PM  


Yes, different ammo as well as different shooters. My wife would fire three rounds, stovepipe. I would fire eight rounds with no stovepiping, then give it to her friend. More stovepiping. I used Wolf, PMC amd another brand I can't remember.

Her FN has never stovepiped on her.


You mean empty cases get caught in the ejection port?

I have never had that happen even with my daughters using my Glock 17. However, on a few occasions they limp-wristed and the slide failed to fully close.

Anonymous Geoff January 14, 2013 10:59 PM  

@Nate et al on CCW pistols:

Food for thought--an old fashioned wheel gun doesn't fit as flat against the body as an auto...but it doesn't spew shells onto the ground either. Shells which might or might not have fingerprints on them. Your fingerprints. Just sayin.

Anonymous Tad January 15, 2013 1:30 AM  

@Vox

I suspect these are the first shots to be fired in the great wave of political dissolution that is about to sweep over the world.

What's the statute of limitations on terrifically bad political predictions. If "waves of political dissolution" don't "sweep over the world" in a year, do we mark up one more piss poor political prediction for Vox Day?

The really ugly thing about this prediction is that it has that feeling of a wish, more than anything like a thoughtful analysis of anything.

Blogger James Dixon January 15, 2013 6:08 AM  

> The really ugly thing about this prediction is that it has that feeling of a wish, more than anything like a thoughtful analysis of anything.

What can we say, Tad? You're a bad influence.

Anonymous paradox January 15, 2013 12:18 PM  

Nate January 14, 2013 3:20 PM
"Settled on the Ruger Mini-14 which I will pick up this afternoon.

Can't wait to take it out, shoot it and get to know it better. :-)"

Oh sweet lord... Why didn't you ask us first? Dude there is a reason they had that piece of shit there when they were sold out of everything else.


A slr-106 5.56 AK would is way better than a Mini-14. 1 1/2 to 2 inch groups at 100 yards.

stg58/Animal Mother January 14, 2013 4:19 PM

My wife had to ditch her Glock because she couldn't stop it from stovepiping. She got an FN P model .40 and life is good.


I'm a Glockaholic, but the majority of mine are chambered for 9mm. I have one in 40 cal and do not like it. There are other sidearms that are far better for 40cal.

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