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Tuesday, January 29, 2013

What you going to do

White boy, white girl, when they come for you?
A Latino gang is intimidating blacks into leaving the city that was once an African American enclave. It's part of a violent trend seen in other parts of the L.A. area....

Compton Councilwoman Yvonne Arceneaux said she was deeply troubled by the incident. "I'm floored," she said. "That's blatant to tell a family you can't live in this area because you are black. That's just shocking."

Two decades ago, when Arceneaux joined the Compton City Council, she said that older blacks occupied the well-maintained, small homes in the neighborhood. But as they died or moved away, Latinos moved in. Although she noted cultural differences between blacks and Latinos, she said she thought they were minor.
So, the blacks have fled Compton.  Liberal whites are beginning to flee CaliMexifornia.  And with the incipient amnesty being pushed by Barack Soebarkah and the Republican Party's Great Hispanic Hope, Marco Rubio, the 52-million strong Aztec invasion is going to get a new head of steam.  California and New Mexico are already lost.  Texas is next, and I suspect it is the most likely flashpoint in the coming clash between Aztec and Anglo cultures, just as it was 177 years ago.

Like the naive councilwoman, most Americans foolishly believe that the rest of the world gives a damn about their pretense to not see differences of color, race, and culture.  The Union is already done for due to debt, and what we're seeing now is a preemptive race to be in a position to pick up the pieces prior to its shattering.  The killing and the ethnic cleansing is micro-scale and well below the radar of the macro-focused, see-no-evil mainstream media, but it has already begun.

This shouldn't come as any surprise.  I recognized the historical pattern developing more than 15 years ago.  It is one of the reasons I left.  These mass migrations - and this is a large one by historical standards - have reliably led to the replacement of the previous culture and people by the invading one.  It is why the Italian province of Lombardia still bears that name today, more than 1,400 years after the Lombard invasion of northern Italy.

"The Lombard king Audoin defeated the Gepid leader Thurisind in 551 or 552; his successor Alboin eventually destroyed the Gepids at the Battle of Asfeld in 567.  Following this victory, Alboin decided to lead his people to Italy, which had become severely depopulated after the long Gothic War (535–554) between the Byzantine Empire and the Ostrogothic Kingdom there. The Lombards were joined by numerous Saxons, Heruls, Gepids, Bulgars, Thuringians, and Ostrogoths, and their invasion of Italy was almost unopposed. By late 569 they had conquered all the principal cities north of the Po River except Pavia, which fell in 572. At the same time, they occupied areas in central and southern Italy. They established a Lombard Kingdom in Italy, later named Regnum Italicum ("Kingdom of Italy"), which reached its zenith under the 8th-century ruler Liutprand.

In 774, the Kingdom was conquered by the Frankish King Charlemagne and integrated into his Empire. However, Lombard nobles continued to rule parts of the Italian peninsula well into the 11th century when they were conquered by the Normans and added to their County of Sicily. Their legacy is apparent in the regional appellation, Lombardy."

Historians will not view the Aztec conquest of the American Southwest as "immigration", but as "an invasion that was unopposed".  History suggests that the invaders will likely accept the current political status quo so long as they continue to receive tribute in the form of free government services and "transfer payments", but demonstrates very clearly that as soon as the tribute falters, the swords will come out and the invaders will forcefully alter the political system to suit themselves.

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Anonymous Idle Spectator January 29, 2013 4:55 AM  

But...
But...

Diversity is our strength. Public school told me so.

Anonymous Rantor January 29, 2013 5:05 AM  

Man, what a downer... I can always escape to Berlin... oh wait they are under a Turkic invasion.

Any lots for sale in Northern Italy? I mean, I like the food and everything. Willing to learn Italian.

Anonymous Idle Spectator January 29, 2013 5:07 AM  

This story is really begging for another Diversity Rocket.

Diversity Rocket launched from a guitar case kills angry Latinos

Oh yes. Another fantasic example and a job well done.

Anonymous Jack January 29, 2013 5:10 AM  

I've been watching this replacement go on for 20 years now. It's been a massive improvement for LA. Mexican cultures sucks compared western culture in general but it's a 100 times better than living with feral Africans. The Mexicans have been ethnically cleansing for one reason only: Black predation on their population. They've done what should have done once they realized the kind of animals blacks are in the 1970s.

I'd also like to note also that Asians are setting themselves up to be the new overloads in California. They comfortable providing the intelligence and the direction that the Mexicans lack.

One key point that Vox is missing: It's not an invasion. They have no intelligent leaders who could setup a kingdom. The best and the brightest stayed in Mexico. Mexico simply flushed the toilet of their worst people and set them up north. It's not surprising that Mexico has been improving economically year after year since the migration started. Think of American Mexicans like the slaves the Romans used to replace their own plebeian population with. They work harder for less and they don't demand respect from the state.

Anonymous VD January 29, 2013 5:22 AM  

I'd also like to note also that Asians are setting themselves up to be the new overloads in California. They comfortable providing the intelligence and the direction that the Mexicans lack.

It's not unheard of for the ruling caste of the invaders to be a different group from the mass of the invading population. However, the observations don't contradict my point or demonstrate that it is not an invasion. I'm sure you will accept that neither an Aztec nor an Asian-Aztec culture is an Anglo-American one. I'm not saying anything about the precise nature of the replacement culture, except that it will a) be a replacement, and b) be fueled by Aztec demographic dominance.

Blogger Shimshon January 29, 2013 5:23 AM  

Jack, having grown up in LA, I have to say you have a point. I had the rare opportunity to visit the fine city of Compton back in 2000 when a Circuit City there was the closest one with some gizmo I wanted (I was living in the Pico-Robertson area).

Bleak doesn't begin to describe it. Almost desolate. It was an absolute shit hole. There were few people about, but those that were were just loitering.

The Mexicans at least did possess some vibrancy while they went about their gang activities. And the food was great (:-).

Anonymous Idle Spectator January 29, 2013 5:32 AM  

That's true. I've been to both, and East LA (Eez los) is much better than Compton.

Anonymous Idle Spectator January 29, 2013 5:37 AM  

The founder of East Los Angeles:

John Strother Griffin (1816–1898) was a surgeon attached to the General Stephen W. Kearney expedition from New Mexico to California, a landowner and founder of East Los Angeles and a member of the Common Council of the city of Los Angeles, where he was one of the first university-trained physicians to settle.

John Strother Griffin was born in Fincastle, Virginia, on June 25, 1816, to John Caswell Griffin and Mary Talbot Hancock, both of Virginia. He had five siblings, George Hancock, William Preston, Julia Elizabeth, Caroline Margaret and Elizabeth Croghan. An uncle was William Clark (explorer) of the Lewis and Clark expedition, and a later brother-in-law was Confederate General Albert Sydney Johnston


Typical. Caucasians build, and then diversity comes in and tears the place asunder.

Anonymous VD January 29, 2013 5:37 AM  

Whether Hispanic takeover of Compton is an improvement or not is irrelevant. Do you truly think the invasion is going to stop there? In 1980, the Hispanic population of Compton was 21 percent. It is now pushing 70 percent.

The Hispanic population of Milwaukee is now 16 percent, up from 4 percent in 1980....

Anonymous Idle Spectator January 29, 2013 5:44 AM  

Do you truly think the invasion is going to stop there?

That depends. How much anti-vibrancy fungicide will it take to stop the Aztec fungus from shooting out more mexispores?

Anonymous Kyle In Japan January 29, 2013 5:47 AM  

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd say the Texas Revolution was more like a clash of Spanish and Anglo culture.

Anonymous VryeDenker January 29, 2013 6:12 AM  

But, they usually settle their differences with a dance-off...

Anonymous zen0 January 29, 2013 6:17 AM  

Mexico simply flushed the toilet of their worst people and set them up north.

Which is why it is called Latrine America, you know, where the Latrinos live.

It won't be long before a monument is erected at the Alamo celebrating the victory of Fearless Comrade Leader Santa Anna.

He will, of course, be the only Santa allowed on the site.

Anonymous A Visitor January 29, 2013 6:21 AM  

the 52-million strong Aztec invasion is going to get a new head of steam. California and New Mexico are already lost. Texas is next, and I suspect it is the most likely flashpoint in the coming clash between Aztec and Anglo cultures, just as it was 177 years ago.

Like the naive councilwoman, most Americans foolishly believe that the rest of the world gives a damn about their pretense to not see differences of color, race, and culture. The Union is already done for due to debt, and what we're seeing now is a preemptive race to be in a position to pick up the pieces prior to its shattering.


That's why I've long felt that amnesty will be the final nail in the coffin of our republic. Debt, attempting to restrict our 2nd Amendment, nationalizing our health care, and everything else Dear Leader, Bush, and all the other worthless POTUSes we've had have done have been bad but may be able to be reversed. Demographics won't, though.

Many people of my generation ask, given my foreign language prowess and extensive foreign travel, how I can have such politically incorrect views on immigration, language, etc. I'm sure the use the hackneyed terms of "racist" and "xenophobe" behind my back.

I always retort with, "After having been to some of the worst of the 3rd world countries that are now colonizing America, how can you not come to the same conclusions as I do?"

The Hispanic population of Milwaukee is now 16 percent, up from 4 percent in 1980.... Indianapolis got its own Mexican immigration interference center, I mean consulate in 2006. The number of Mexicans in some rural Indiana towns is staggering; they have simply overtaken the native population by sheer numbers alone.

There were parts of Indianapolis that I'd go as a kid that I knew were unsafe, but at that time you would only hear English being spoken. Fast forward a few decades and they are now home to illegals (my observation, because I speak the language and act dumb around them), who don't speak English, and have brought their gangs, worthless "vibrancy and diversity", to what used to be a great city. It still is but it's slipping, fast...

To answer your question Vox, I guess I'll form an exclusive clique (Futurama, anyone?) that they won't be invited to join.

Anonymous A Visitor January 29, 2013 6:22 AM  

That should read they use, not the use. I made all of that effort to use several tags in order to do strikethrough text and yet a silly grammatical error slipped by me. What a dunce!

Anonymous VD January 29, 2013 6:27 AM  

Many people of my generation ask, given my foreign language prowess and extensive foreign travel, how I can have such politically incorrect views on immigration, language, etc. I'm sure the use the hackneyed terms of "racist" and "xenophobe" behind my back.

Given that I've lived as an expat for most of my adult life and speak three languages, I always find it amusing to be called xenophobic and provincial by people who speak one language and have never left the city of their birth. They never stop to think that perhaps my actual experience with other cultures might be more relevant than what their kindergarten teacher told them.

Anonymous DrTorch January 29, 2013 6:43 AM  

10-12 years ago, the Wash Post even had an article on this same thing: the latinos were pushing the blacks out of Compton, demanding their representation slots on various councils. The black reps were stunned b/c they had "worked so hard" to obtain representation when they were the majority, and didn't want to give it up now that they were back in the minority.

Blogger Shimshon January 29, 2013 6:45 AM  

Vox, have you lived anywhere besides Italy?

Blogger LP 999/Eliza January 29, 2013 6:48 AM  

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Anonymous Stilicho January 29, 2013 6:49 AM  

They never stop to think that perhaps my actual experience with other cultures might be more relevant than what their kindergarten teacher told them.

Familiarity with third-world countries and cultures breeds contempt. Texas will indeed be the flashpoint for this particular conflict because, unlike Mexifornia, there is a distinct and strong Anglo culture there that will physically fight to survive. North and East Texas could remain Anglo if it can eventually join neighboring states in their own independence movement. I do not think it could survive long alone with a hostile Aztec nation on one side and a hostile U.S. on the other. Of course, the fight for Texas could be the spark that ignites a larger fight for the right of self-determination in the U.S.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza January 29, 2013 6:52 AM  

Just like the previous post regarding London, America is no different. Cali was such a progressive guiding light, now let the La Raza/whatever the affiliation take Cali for themselves. Those council/board room types are the last dumbos to fully understand or even experience the diversity they wanted.

Anonymous VD January 29, 2013 6:53 AM  

Vox, have you lived anywhere besides Italy?

Yes.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza January 29, 2013 6:53 AM  

Wait, what will the gays do if this hits San Fran?

Anonymous Clay January 29, 2013 6:59 AM  

Funny. We have one of the largest populations of black folk in this state (MS).

The Mexicans are moving in, and taking over all the chicken-plucking plants.

Funny thing...I have a black friend who told me that after Katrina, all those New Orleans blacks, except for the ones who couldn't swim, fled to Houston, Little Rock, Jackson (MS), Memphis, Birmingham, and Atlanta. The blacks from Jackson hated them. They were like from a different tribe. There were shootings in the news every day...and not just on MLK Blvd. Those NO blacks got the message, and, except for the ho's, I doubt there are many around anymore.

Blogger tz January 29, 2013 7:02 AM  

First, its Taxifornia.

The mass migration of the productive away. You will know it is dead when a big name from Silicon Valley departs to Nevada or Idaho. Others are moving there - those who are dependent on government.

Asians tend to tolerate being the middle layer - they were through Africa and to some extent still are. They don't have ambitions to rule, at least not politically, so provide the entreprenurial caste where americans demand a bigger reward.

I still note it is not so much race but culture, but whether gene or meme, it isn't racist to note fundamental differences. Especially when those differences are toxic to the existing culture ore are simply evil.

The sexual revolution which included feminism and gay lib was not part of any race or culture in the west in 1950, but by the 1960s, this dread zombie apocalypse virus escaped its quarantine in the university labs and spilled out into society. It is as normal today as smallpox scars during the middle ages - Sandra Fluke? This was not an invasion, but a deadly mutation.

Liberty is a recessive meme.

Spain had an empire once - yet look at both modern Iberia and their colonies. Canada has not had an aztec invasion, nor has Australia, but the British empire is gone too.

Anonymous Clay January 29, 2013 7:04 AM  

I thought the Chinese bought Canada.

Anonymous zen0 January 29, 2013 7:27 AM  

I thought the Chinese bought Canada.

Just the parts closest to them. That is why Vancouver is called HongCouver.

Anonymous Josh January 29, 2013 7:32 AM  

Funny thing...I have a black friend who told me that after Katrina, all those New Orleans blacks, except for the ones who couldn't swim, fled to Houston, Little Rock, Jackson (MS), Memphis, Birmingham, and Atlanta. The blacks from Jackson hated them. They were like from a different tribe. There were shootings in the news every day...and not just on MLK Blvd. Those NO blacks got the message, and, except for the ho's, I doubt there are many around anymore.

As a duck hunting guide in MS told of friend of mine who expressed concern about leaving the cabin unlocked, "Our niggers aren't like your niggers. Our niggers know their place."

Anonymous Clay January 29, 2013 7:38 AM  

And we know ours!

Anonymous Clay January 29, 2013 7:43 AM  

Wherabouts were you duck hunting, if I may ask...must have been in the Delta....(no need to get specific...lived here all my life. Somewhere close to the Miss. River...

Blogger JD Curtis January 29, 2013 7:46 AM  

Your above observations are spot on VD. In the past, the icons of the republican party would counter any talk of immigration reform with Secure The Border First. Those voices are becoming more and more scarce. It's an example of politicians not wanting to be labeled xenophobic/racist/bigoted/prejudiced by the media and they are just caving in to certain demands. The tombstone of the American republic should read 'At Least They Weren't Intolerant'

Anonymous Clay January 29, 2013 7:59 AM  

OK, Josh. I just realized it wasn't YOU hunting. Do you know where you friend was popping them?

Blogger JD Curtis January 29, 2013 8:04 AM  

Repeat of 1986: Citizenship to Come First, Border Security Later

Anonymous Scott W. January 29, 2013 8:05 AM  

This morning my Yahoo browser gave me this news item about the best places to move: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/top-10-moving-destinations-in-the-u-s--171704356.html

I was amused that "diverse neighborhoods" seemed to be a selling point, and for Chicago, "the median home sale price is $190,000 -- a steal for a home in a large city", the joke almost writes itself. Meanwhile about a week ago I read, A Canadian truck driver was shot and killed early Wednesday on the South Side of Chicago. Police said he was the victim of a robbery with multiple male perpetrators. and someone pertly replied, "Yeah, more of that 'male' crime we’re always hearing about."

Anonymous Andre January 29, 2013 8:06 AM  

VD: "Like the naive councilwoman, most Americans foolishly believe that the rest of the world gives a damn about their pretense to not see differences of color, race, and culture."

I'll tell you more. As a Brazilian, I'd like to say that I view this invasion with much concern. I have several liberal, leftist, SWPL friends and they are just loving to see the destruction of the USA. They say they love what Obama is doing, but make no mistake: they HATE the USA. They HATE it and they want to see it destroyed. They will tell you that, in plain terms, minutes after declaring that Obama is the best thing that ever happened to the USA.

I am very concerned for America. It's unbelievable that many American descendants seem not to be worried about the threat of mass immigration.

Blogger bearspaw January 29, 2013 8:16 AM  

For all those folks fretting about the demise of the Repulican Party, don't. Another Bush will rise to save the day. George P. Bush, the Hispanic grandson of GHWB is being groomed to oversee the smooth transition of Hispanics to the Rep. Fold.

Anonymous Clay January 29, 2013 8:23 AM  

Andre...unfortunately for me, I have to deal with folks in S.America in business all the time. It's quite obvious they despise us, no matter how nice I try to be.

I would suppose they put more piss-ant regulations on the US, than any other country in the world.

Lord know, we still give them money...(columbia might be an exception)

Blogger Pepper January 29, 2013 8:27 AM  

My experience here in so Cal confirms what the article is saying. I live in what was the last white/conservative enclave of Los Angeles county. When my family first moved here in the late 80's we were a majority white city with lots of military employees and farmers/ranchers. The changes didn't start happening until probably 10-15 years ago, but they have been drastic. Not only do we have the standard Mexican restaurants that are common in Ca, but we have tons of tamale shops, pupuserias and tortas establishments cropping up all over the place. We have a huge supermarket chain geared toward Latinos, something like 5 of them in our area now. That place is great because you actually have to SEARCH for an employee that speaks English. And...I have gotten a few dirty looks when I have gone there on those rare occasions...so much for the "friendly" immigrant.

My boss is an old cowboy who refused to advertise in Spanish until the last two years or so because the market forces it literally. We could choose to work with an English speaking clientele only, but we would probably go out of business, especially considering the nature of the business. And, 100% of our employees in Los Angeles are Latinos. Yes my friends, California is changing...

Anonymous Ariel January 29, 2013 8:27 AM  

For those of us who can't leave the U.S., the next best thing is to find the states with the highest anglo population (those north of 90%) and ride it out there...

Another reason to own firearms: To protect yourselves in the coming violent clashes with the invaders...

Anonymous Fat-Ass Napolitano January 29, 2013 8:41 AM  

Only the "Goverment" employees can own fireams, Ariel.

Blogger Nate January 29, 2013 8:43 AM  

"For those of us who can't leave the U.S., the next best thing is to find the states with the highest anglo population (those north of 90%) and ride it out there..."

Bzzzt.

This is a bad idea. There are two criteria to use to pick your place to make your stand...

1) ease of escape should it become necessary

2) the willingness of those already there to fight.


Michigan has a high white population compared to say... Alabama.. but Michigan has demonstrated no willingness to fight the invaders... while Alabama has already evicted a large number of them.

Anonymous DT January 29, 2013 8:44 AM  

They never stop to think that perhaps my actual experience with other cultures might be more relevant than what their kindergarten teacher told them.

Since kindergarten Americans are taught that Europeans stole America from the natives, effectively destroying their way of life. Note that this is not ancient history. These events occurred less than three centuries ago.

The lesson I learned from this is that a native population should not allow much immigration at all if it wishes to survive intact.

I've never understood how the majority of Americans learned the exact opposite, that "diversity is strength" and immigration should be unrestricted.

Anonymous Clay January 29, 2013 8:45 AM  

Roatan Island

Blogger Hamilton January 29, 2013 8:46 AM  

On the upside, our youth soccer teams will see some improvement.

Anonymous Clay January 29, 2013 8:49 AM  

Hope the girls don't get shin bruises.

Blogger Nate January 29, 2013 8:51 AM  

"Texas is next"

By next you may mean... the next place the invasion will focus. You may mean the next flash point.

But if you are suggesting that Texas is going to end up as part of mexico again... or end up being ruled by mexicans... You're mistook.

Texans have fierce pride and identify much with their state, their culture, and their history. More so than just about any other state.

They will fight. They will win.

in fact... I will dare point out that the invasion will not succeed anywhere, where the people have the will to fight it.

Anonymous Starbuck January 29, 2013 8:52 AM  

Wait, what will the gays do if this hits San Fran?

They will have a parade...

Anonymous Ariel January 29, 2013 8:58 AM  

2) the willingness of those already there to fight.

This IS a very good point! How many Americans are willing to fight off the influx and make things 'uncomfortable' for those wanting to settle?

I don't know the answer, although places like the northeast and pacific coast don't seem to care. The mid-west doesn't either. MN, MI, WI, IL, all seem to welcome the immigrants in. The South is different in a lot of ways, and if there are some open fights, I could them starting in the south. In fact, if American culture survives mostly intact anywhere, I imagine it will be in the south...

Anonymous Josh January 29, 2013 9:01 AM  

Do you know where you friend was popping them?

Clarksdale area, I think.

Anonymous Josh January 29, 2013 9:05 AM  

Texans have fierce pride and identify much with their state, their culture, and their history. More so than just about any other state.

They will fight. They will win.


A shorthand for those of you who are "new to the area" (that's code down here for "damn Yankee"). Texas: Hispanics:: < insert southron state >: blacks

Both regions have always had large minority populations, and both regions have not had the kind of widespread racial violence like Yankee and Californian cities have seen.

Blogger Bob Wallace January 29, 2013 9:05 AM  

I lived in Albuquerque for a long time. "Latinos" hate blacks. They don't hate whites. Having more brains than blacks, they know that without the white man there are no jobs.

Besides, some "Latinos" are white.

Anonymous Godfrey January 29, 2013 9:08 AM  

This is why people will ignore attempts to control and limit guns. The lower classes know things are coming apart and want to be able to protect themselves as it gets worse.

Blogger Hamilton January 29, 2013 9:11 AM  

When I watch the news shows about this new immigration reform nonsense I just get more and more angry. The media, the politicians, even the "average joe" guests they interview on the street only comment on how reform can get their party more votes. It's amazing to see how easy it is to manipulate people when they are in two political parties.

Anonymous RedJack January 29, 2013 9:16 AM  

Nate,
South Texas is fading fast. North and East Texas might hold on, but short of a counter attack south Texas is already northern Mexico in places. Have family that fled there, back to Nebraska.

Which because of the meat packers has large areas of Hispanics. To the point that one town near where I grew up is majority Mexican, and the locals are getting pushed out.

But hey, all you guys get cheap hamburger so no one cares.

Anonymous Anonymous January 29, 2013 9:26 AM  

south Texas has always been mexican

-ConanCimmerian

Anonymous Josh January 29, 2013 9:29 AM  

How do you define South Texas?

Laredo, or all the way up to San Antonio?

Anonymous JartStar January 29, 2013 9:32 AM  

A “good” outcome of the invasion could be something like Visigoth Spain. The smarter of them saw what made Roman prosperous and so they mimicked much of it, with themselves in charge of course. For the average Roman living under them the quality of life was much the same assuming you survived the conquest, though their liberties obviously decreased. The “bad” outcome is the invaders just sack and loot the places literally and figuratively.

America does have one advantage in this mass migration compared to Rome: the Catholic Church is and has tamed them for hundreds of years unlike the European barbarians which were pagan and incredibly brutal.

Anonymous Stilicho January 29, 2013 9:33 AM  

Besides, some "Latinos" are white.

I suspect that the whiter hispanics of primarily Spanish decent are the majority of the 30% that voted for Romney. The other 70% are the usual mestizo rent-seekers. Natural Democrats.

Anonymous Daniel January 29, 2013 9:36 AM  

I always thought "straight outta Compton" was about Eazy-E's closeted lifestyle. I never realized that it actually referred to a moving truck.

Anonymous Clay January 29, 2013 9:37 AM  

I done told ya'll! Mexicans will pluck the chickens. Blacls eat the Dark Meat Specials.

Anonymous Daniel January 29, 2013 9:39 AM  

America does have one advantage in this mass migration compared to Rome: the Catholic Church is and has tamed them for hundreds of years unlike the European barbarians which were pagan and incredibly brutal.

Tamed, or caged? Santa Muerte isn't exactly something I would consider to be a settling influence.

Anonymous Clay January 29, 2013 9:42 AM  

Lord help us...there's a Dark Meat Prot. among us.

Blogger Nate January 29, 2013 9:52 AM  

"'south Texas has always been mexican"

This.

Anonymous cheddarman January 29, 2013 10:06 AM  

I notice miss Lindsey Graham is one of the senators pushing for more Latino immigration. She must like Latino boys.

sincerely

cheddarman

Blogger JDC January 29, 2013 10:07 AM  

Quote: but Michigan has demonstrated no willingness to fight the invaders...

That may be true, but we know that if the Latino invaders do mobilize (in MI we have to also keep an eye on the Muslims), and attack, the shitty MI winters will send em back to AL.

Obvious statement warning! There is a big difference between rural and urban in MI (perhaps this is true everywhere, but I don't live everywhere). Detroit may be the most liberal city in the country, but rural MI is a bit different. We are keeping our eyes on everyone, especially people who come from AL. Keep your ya'lls and your I reckons, and your orange cokes...in the North we prefer you guys, I believe and pop.

Anonymous rycamor January 29, 2013 10:07 AM  

Just another step in the long slide into banana republic: Machine gun fire from military helicopters flying over downtown Miami Fl.

Yes, it was just a drill.

Flying a couple hundred feet above live traffic firing blank rounds.

If you skip to 1:12, you see video shot from an apartment building of the attack choppers flying *below* that floor. Right over busy 395.

Nothing to get alarmed about... just a routine exercise between police and armed forces. That's all.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 29, 2013 10:09 AM  

They HATE it and they want to see it destroyed. They will tell you that, in plain terms, minutes after declaring that Obama is the best thing that ever happened to the USA.

It will be amusing to see the looks on their faces when the US is destroyed and they find them selves taking it in the ass from their local black or Hispanic friends.

I think Jerry Pournelle called that Evolution in Action.

If you have not put aside some brass and lead and the appropriate dispensing equipment, then you are stupid.

Blogger hadley January 29, 2013 10:11 AM  

The black councilwoman already know she has lost the race war. Note the conciliatory and non-judgmental language: she is "floored". Not "angry" or "enraged" at this blatant example of "Hispanic racism". Nope. She is "floored" (as she would be if someone doubled the price of a rental car). So why the feeble response to what LA Sherriff calls "a race war"?

She knows that there are no DMLs (deluded Mexican liberals) that she can coax into guilt and reparations with her TNB huffery and puffery. If she gets "all up in they grillz", Mexicans will unite against her.

Let this be a lesson: no matter how much faux outrage they 'gin up, black folk carefully assess the impact of their words and tone it down immediately if they do not have an elite white (or Mexican) audience. The faux outrage is strictly for Liberal consumption and motivation. No guilt? No shame? No racial theater.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 29, 2013 10:14 AM  


If you skip to 1:12, you see video shot from an apartment building of the attack choppers flying *below* that floor. Right over busy 395.

Nothing to get alarmed about... just a routine exercise between police and armed forces. That's all.


Did you place your order for suppressive devices with the Mexican cartels? Might as well use those channels for something useful.

Anonymous . January 29, 2013 10:18 AM  

This shouldn't come as any surprise. I recognized the historical pattern developing more than 15 years ago. It is one of the reasons I left.

And you ran to another place that is also being invaded?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Italy,_foreign_residents_as_a_percentage_of_the_total_population,_2011.svg

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Anonymous Tad January 29, 2013 10:23 AM  

@vox day
History suggests that the invaders will likely accept the current political status quo so long as they continue to receive tribute in the form of free government services and "transfer payments", but demonstrates very clearly that as soon as the tribute falters, the swords will come out and the invaders will forcefully alter the political system to suit themselves.

Ah. More political predictions and more talk of civil war. Always fun.

One wonders why a political prediction is made based on ancient examples of unrelated cultures, but not more culturally and historically relevant examples. The U.S. has show a remarkable ability to absorb immigrants and then to see them reliably assimilated into a culture culture based on personal responsibility, democracy and constitutional principles.

Further, anyone who has spent time in California of late will notice that this is exactly what's happening there. Second and third generations from Mexican immigrants are are fully assimilating into this kind of American culture—just as the Irish, Asian, Italian, East European and immigrants did.

Let's have more fun with political predictions. Vox Day: Who will be nominated by the GOP and Democrats in 2016?

Blogger JDC January 29, 2013 10:34 AM  

Quote: The U.S. has show a remarkable ability to absorb immigrants and then to see them reliably assimilated into a culture culture based on personal responsibility, democracy and constitutional principles.

I'd be interested in hearing your evidence that this is in fact the case.

Anonymous Alexander January 29, 2013 10:37 AM  

The Mexican restaurant in the town I live in decorates the front of its menus with a map of Mexico - a Mexico that extends as far northward as Pueblo, Colorado and as far east as the Louisiana border. To openly display an image of your home country annexing a quarter of your host in a place where many of your ilk gather is not to my knowledge the traditional definition of an assimilating peoples.

But then, I suppose if I have to choose between Tad and my own lyin' eyes...

Anonymous fish January 29, 2013 10:39 AM  

@Tad


Don't you have to be somewhere to fellate an undergrad or something? Run along now and let the adults talk.


Anonymous Kickass January 29, 2013 10:41 AM  

Something I haven't seen mentioned here, but may have missed it, is that Hispanics have a class system amongst themselves that they hold to fiercely. I see it first hand.

Those from Spain, who basically look white, would be highest. The whiter your blood (blue blood) the better off you are. Also, Puerto Rican's don't like Mexicans, Mexicans don't like Gutamalans, etc.

Then, of course, the light skinned Mexicans don't like the more Indian looking Mexicans.

So the clash might be a bit bigger then we think. It might not just be among Blacks and Latinos, but amongs ALL latin groups.

White women should be fine, perhapse their offspring will rule things....

I say learn Spanish and learn it now.

I am still looking for anyone to tell me so good Asian languages to learn. Korean? Cantonese?

Anonymous The other skeptic January 29, 2013 10:42 AM  


The U.S. has show a remarkable ability to absorb immigrants and then to see them reliably assimilated into a culture culture based on personal responsibility, democracy and constitutional principles.


Certain types of immigrants to differing levels. Some of them insist remodeling the US to meet their objectives (eg, the Khazarians) and there is one group who were originally unwilling immigrants who have never assimilated. Did you forget about them?

Anonymous The other skeptic January 29, 2013 10:45 AM  


I am still looking for anyone to tell me so good Asian languages to learn. Korean? Cantonese?


That would only be useful if you think the Chinese are going to ship large numbers of their people here. Those that are currently here can speak English to some extent.

Spanish would be more useful, as would gun control (ie, being able to hit what you aim at).

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein January 29, 2013 10:47 AM  

How do you say "Straight outa Compton" in Spanish? And make it a an imperative?

Anonymous Buckeyecopperhead January 29, 2013 10:48 AM  

We can all have a good laugh at Tad in the near future when he's playing butt-boy for some gangbanga's - race to be determined.

Anonymous Kickass January 29, 2013 10:49 AM  

@ Tad
"One wonders why a political prediction is made based on ancient examples of unrelated cultures, but not more culturally and historically relevant examples. The U.S. has show a remarkable ability to absorb immigrants and then to see them reliably assimilated into a culture culture based on personal responsibility, democracy and constitutional principles. "

Right, so how long ago was the Alamo and who exactly did we fight there? What is the official language of the U.S? Why are there signs and businesses run in another language, one in particular, that is NOT the official language of the US if assimilation is complete?

By the way, when was the last time you went out of the country, to a Spanish speaking one, and were catered to in English? And I am not talking a resort.

As for constitionality, please provide evidence. This is spit your coffee on the keyboard laughable.

"Further, anyone who has spent time in California of late will notice that this is exactly what's happening there. Second and third generations from Mexican immigrants are are fully assimilating into this kind of American culture—just as the Irish, Asian, Italian, East European and immigrants did."

If you mean that a family including Grandma, Husband and Wife and the children all ran across at the same time...maybe. Otherwise, you are again talking out your ass. And please provide evidence where the other immigrants assimilated into While anglos did to varying degrees, Asians and others simply set up areas that are just like their home country.

Have you ever actually met anyone of a different ethnic group then yourself and have you ever left the area you live?

Anonymous Tad January 29, 2013 10:49 AM  

@Fish

Don't you have to be somewhere to fellate an undergrad or something?

You know how I can always tell someone is still reaching to the table from the high chair? When make they make the assumption that a gay man will be offended by the insinuation he is gay.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis January 29, 2013 10:52 AM  

I don't necessarily see the US facturing a part, what I do see is a possibility is the US using some of it's new found drone and tracking ability to violently put down any attempts at insurrection. There is one thing I find interesting though, the US does have one of the most naive world views when it comes to culture, and it still hasn't stoppped us from acting out military. Admittedly it has been rather constrained relative to some nations from history, but what happens say, if the US rapidly gets up to speed, and then also realizes that they have the biggest guns? Progressives complain about 18th century European Imperialism, I don't think they would like to see outright 21st century American imperialism without the touche of restraint that her current worldview offers.

Anonymous Tad January 29, 2013 10:53 AM  

@jdc

The Irish, Italian, Jewish, Chinese and other Eastern European immigrants all, upon coming to America in their historical wave were segregated by desire and social pressure. They had their enclaves. And, they all originally lived in relative poverty. Over time those enclaves dissolved as the second and third generations began to move on, assimilate into the broader culture, adopt cultural standards. Today, we don't have anything like the Italian, Jewish, Irish and Chinese enclaves we used to. There are remnants. But that's all they are.

Anonymous Kickass January 29, 2013 10:53 AM  

@ The Other Skeptic,

"That would only be useful if you think the Chinese are going to ship large numbers of their people here. Those that are currently here can speak English to some extent."

They did. And while they can speak English, they delight in speaking about you right in front of you.

"Spanish would be more useful, as would gun control (ie, being able to hit what you aim at)."

We have Spanish covered, and we have the culture and dialects covered as well. We have Spanish lines in our family who help with this greatly.

And I agree with the gun control, SOP. I am thinking of adding Asian because I think their economic sectors are doing doing well and they may play a much larger role in business as the children are older. It is just a tool to get the children a job if necessary.

Anonymous Kickass January 29, 2013 10:56 AM  

@ Tad, so Southie and Little China and Little Italy and various places in Jersey are all just figments of our imagination huh?

Seriously dude, you should stop. You are just showing your ass.

Blogger Nate January 29, 2013 10:57 AM  

"And, they all originally lived in relative poverty. Over time those enclaves dissolved as the second and third generations began to move on, assimilate into the broader culture, adopt cultural standards. "

You're aware that there are more than 3 generations of mexicans living here.. that still have no assimilated. Right?

Honestly you make such bizarre observations.. where do you live?

Anonymous VD January 29, 2013 10:58 AM  

Further, anyone who has spent time in California of late will notice that this is exactly what's happening there. Second and third generations from Mexican immigrants are are fully assimilating into this kind of American culture—just as the Irish, Asian, Italian, East European and immigrants did.

No, Tad, they're not, as numerous Californians, including historian VDH, have chronicled in great detail. My maternal family is Californian on both sides, so I know considerably more about it than you do no matter how many times you've visited to march in the pride parade there.

It's remarkable that you're stupid enough to look at actual ethnic cleansing taking place and still pronounce it an impossibility. It's not longer a prediction, Tad, it's an observation.

You really should have gotten that penicillin shot sooner. Once it hits the brain, there isn't much they can do for you.

Anonymous VD January 29, 2013 11:01 AM  

The Irish, Italian, Jewish, Chinese and other Eastern European immigrants all, upon coming to America in their historical wave were segregated by desire and social pressure. They had their enclaves. And, they all originally lived in relative poverty. Over time those enclaves dissolved as the second and third generations began to move on, assimilate into the broader culture, adopt cultural standards. Today, we don't have anything like the Italian, Jewish, Irish and Chinese enclaves we used to. There are remnants. But that's all they are.

That is because total Irish immigration was less than 5 million in 84 years. The Hispanic invasion is over 10 times than number in little more than half the time.

Anonymous Tad January 29, 2013 11:01 AM  

@Kickass

Why are there signs and businesses run in another language, one in particular, that is NOT the official language of the US if assimilation is complete?

To attract business from those that are monolingual.


By the way, when was the last time you went out of the country, to a Spanish speaking one, and were catered to in English? And I am not talking a resort.

I was in Spain two years ago. I was in Chile 3 years ago. Yes, on both counts. I've been to Talum on numerous occasions in the past 5 years. But that doesn't count, right?


As for constitionality, please provide evidence. This is spit your coffee on the keyboard laughable.

The descendents of the Irish, Italian, Jewish and Chinese immigrants have shown nothing but a strong willingness to live under the constitutional institutions that were set down by the Anglo founders. None of these groups are asking that divided govt. be torn down. None have show a desire to dismantle any branch of government. They all today happily participate in the constitutional form of government that has always been.

Have you ever actually met anyone of a different ethnic group then yourself and have you ever left the area you live?

Yes. And Yes.

Blogger JDC January 29, 2013 11:01 AM  

Quote from Tad: Over time those enclaves dissolved as the second and third generations began to move on, assimilate into the broader culture, adopt cultural standards. Today, we don't have anything like the Italian, Jewish, Irish and Chinese enclaves we used to. There are remnants. But that's all they are.

That is a logical argument, however, the Italians, Germans and Irish had a desire (IMO) to "melt" into the pot. Many families insisted their children speak English. My German great grandmother forbade her family from even speaking German - not out of hate for her home country, but out of a desire for her children to be immersed in the culture of the U.S., and to prosper under the governing laws of the U.S.

Can you say the same for Latino / Muslim peoples? Instead of learning the language and embracing the culture, they do everything they can do make the culture adapt to their needs. I submit that the invading horde cares not one tiddle about our constitution, and in fact, would burn it on Cinco de Mayo if the opportunity ever presents itself.

Anonymous DT January 29, 2013 11:02 AM  

One wonders why a political prediction is made based on ancient examples of unrelated cultures, but not more culturally and historically relevant examples. The U.S. has show a remarkable ability to absorb immigrants and then to see them reliably assimilated into a culture culture based on personal responsibility, democracy and constitutional principles.

I'm going to have to agree with Tad here. Why, just look at how easily America absorbed the massive influx of black slaves in the 1800's.

Oh...wait....

OK...since the end of the Civil War, just look at how reliably Africans have assimilated into our culture of personal responsibility, democracy, and constitutional principles...uh...oh, forget that example.

Ummm...

OK, let us consider America's remarkable ability to assimilate the natives who were here before the Europeans...oh never mind.

What was Tard saying again?

Further, anyone who has spent time in California of late will notice that this is exactly what's happening there. Second and third generations from Mexican immigrants are are fully assimilating into this kind of American culture—just as the Irish, Asian, Italian, East European and immigrants did.

Coming from someone who lives in the People's Republic of California, I'm convinced you have never stepped foot in the state, and probably couldn't find it on a map.

Anonymous Tad January 29, 2013 11:05 AM  

@Vox Day

That is because total Irish immigration was less than 5 million in 84 years. The Hispanic invasion is over 10 times than number in little more than half the time.

What is the social/demographic mechanism/rule that demands that a larger group of immigrants will not assimilate the way ever other group has? How do you explain that the third and fourth generation hispanics have reliably and noticeably demonstrated all the signs of assimilation: increased median income, movement out of the barrio, entrance into the political ruling structures?

Anonymous Tad January 29, 2013 11:07 AM  

@JDC

Can you say the same for Latino peoples?

Yes.

Blogger Nate January 29, 2013 11:08 AM  

" How do you explain that the third and fourth generation hispanics have reliably and noticeably demonstrated all the signs of assimilation: increased median income, movement out of the barrio, entrance into the political ruling structures?"

HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE UNICORNS??? HUH???

Anonymous VD January 29, 2013 11:10 AM  

What is the social/demographic mechanism/rule that demands that a larger group of immigrants will not assimilate the way ever other group has? How do you explain that the third and fourth generation hispanics have reliably and noticeably demonstrated all the signs of assimilation: increased median income, movement out of the barrio, entrance into the political ruling structures?

The law of conquest. I don't have to explain it because you're completely wrong. In 1975, 9% of Latinos between the ages of 25 and 29 had completed a bachelor's degree. In 2008, that number had improved to 12%. This compares to 37% of whites... and 21% of blacks.

They're not moving out of the barrio, they are expanding the barrio. That's precisely what the councilwoman from Compton was complaining about!

Blogger Nate January 29, 2013 11:12 AM  

"What is the social/demographic mechanism/rule that demands that a larger group of immigrants will not assimilate the way ever other group has?"

The large numbers makes a larger more comfortable enclave which becomes permanent... also... the larger numbers creates a market for businesses to cater too.. which makes staying in that enclave far more comfortable than it was in the past.

Add in government services and you have a perfect storm.

Anonymous Tad January 29, 2013 11:15 AM  

@Vox Day

No, Tad, they're not, as numerous Californians, including historian VDH, have chronicled in great detail. My maternal family is Californian on both sides, so I know considerably more about it than you do no matter how many times you've visited to march in the pride parade there.

When was the last time you were in CA, Vox Day? When was the last time you were in the Bay Area, the Valley or in LA? I spend considerable time in the state. Considerable for both business and pleasure and family obligations. And I can tell you that there is no question that the hispanic middle class is becoming very established. The Hispanic politicians is well ensconced, the importance of hispanic business leaders is undisputed. You don't know what you are talking about.

Now if you want to discuss the difference between Northern Italian-made pasta and Pasta made in Sicily, I might sit back and listen.

You really should have gotten that penicillin shot sooner. Once it hits the brain, there isn't much they can do for you.

Really? You are going to go with "Neener Neener"? Well, I suppose it's a rhetorical strategy...or sorts. See my response to Fish.

Anonymous Tad January 29, 2013 11:16 AM  

@Nate

The large numbers makes a larger more comfortable enclave which becomes permanent... also... the larger numbers creates a market for businesses to cater too.. which makes staying in that enclave far more comfortable than it was in the past.

And the example you have of this mechanism is? The one we are talking about? That's a bit circular.

Anonymous Tad January 29, 2013 11:18 AM  

@Vox Day

The law of conquest.

Nevermind. I thought you wanted a serious conversation. I see you simply still want to play in the fantasy sandbox.

Anonymous Porky? January 29, 2013 11:26 AM  

Straight out of El Compton, ese! Horale!

Anonymous Daniel January 29, 2013 11:29 AM  

If anyone wants a serious conversation, Tad, they aren't going to have it with you.

If this was the era of the seven sages of the bamboo grove, Liu Lang would ask you what the hell you were doing in his pants.

No, his real ones.

Anonymous Clay January 29, 2013 11:31 AM  

Forget, "gay" Tad. Your type just hijacked that word to avoid: faggot.

Anonymous Andre January 29, 2013 11:33 AM  

@Tad

Dude, you're trying to defend the Latinos while there's a video out there of a Mexican teacher that works in the USA, preaching IN ENGLISH to a crowd of Mexicans, that they will invade and retake California by immigration. And trust me, they are not doing so to help the contents of the pot melt more smoothly.

Are you an American? Cause I'm Brazilian and I don't think I'm as blind as you are regarding this whole immigration deal.

Blogger Nate January 29, 2013 11:35 AM  

anyone else note the irony of Tad employing a technique that asher likes to obsess over?

The straddle?

Anonymous Clay January 29, 2013 11:38 AM  

Uh huh.

Anonymous VryeDenker January 29, 2013 11:39 AM  

Welcome to sunny South Africa where there are more Zimbabweans than in Zimbabwe.

Anonymous Porky January 29, 2013 11:39 AM  

And I can tell you that there is no question that the hispanic middle class is becoming very established. The Hispanic politicians is well ensconced, the importance of hispanic business leaders is undisputed.

This might be a sign of assimilation if the state were actually prospering. What we see is Cali becoming more like a banana republic - corrupt beyond measure and perennially broke. Is that what you mean by assimilation, Tad? That California is being assimilated into the central American way? Take Assemblyman Gil Cedillo - "One bill Gil" as he is known for his constant hammering to get drivers licenses for illegals - his entire legislative agenda has not been to improve California, it's been to redistribute more wealth and benefits to illegals, and he's been totally open about it. Is this what you are referring to when you say "assimilation"?

Anonymous The other skeptic January 29, 2013 11:44 AM  


Dude, you're trying to defend the Latinos while there's a video out there of a Mexican teacher that works in the USA, preaching IN ENGLISH to a crowd of Mexicans, that they will invade and retake California by immigration.


Link please.

Anonymous Tarzan January 29, 2013 11:47 AM  

Hey, Vrye.....what type of weapons are allowed in ,SA?.....excluding the Bula-Bulas, of course.

Me & Jane had to swing out of there pretty fast.

Anonymous Josh January 29, 2013 11:49 AM  

anyone else note the irony of Tad employing a technique that asher likes to obsess over?

The straddle?


Hoss...I'm not sure any of us want to picture tad straddling anyone or anything...

Anonymous VryeDenker January 29, 2013 11:54 AM  

You can, with great difficulty, get your hands on a hunting rifle, shotgun or handgun. Max mag size is 12 for pistols and revolvers. Nothing beats ye ole machete in close quarters though.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard January 29, 2013 11:57 AM  

Your Mexicans are only here looking for work. They have no Latino pride, no desire to alter the ways and society about them to suit their own preferences. The neighborhoods where they congregate do not decay; they do not alter their vehicles to ride low. They merely wish to make a paltry few pesos to send home to mamacita in the Third World.

Por la Raza is actually Spanish for Look at my new Razr.

You are all hopelessly paranoid.

Anonymous civilServant January 29, 2013 11:58 AM  

Following this victory, Alboin decided to lead his people to Italy, which had become severely depopulated after the long Gothic War (535–554) between the Byzantine Empire and the Ostrogothic Kingdom there.

The Lombards moved to a depopulated area for the land. Mexicans however come to the United States for money and send most of it home. When the money ceases will they remain? And if they remain what will be left of them?

Anonymous The other skeptic January 29, 2013 11:58 AM  

Max mag size is 12 for pistols and revolvers

That would be one interesting revolver.

Nothing beats ye ole machete in close quarters though.

They are too close by that time and you are going to be injured.

Anonymous DonReynolds January 29, 2013 11:59 AM  

I am reasonably certain that somewhere in the 20th century there is a plan that is revisited from time to time by our invaders. Our invaders did not originate the plan, perhaps it was written by Soviets or the Chinese, which is not very important. But someone in the 20th century noticed the crack in the American defenses that was wide open to invasion...provided the breach was not exploited by military hardware. The invasion is no less real, but simply because there are no tanks or artillery, it does not trigger a military response yet.

Some bright "enemy of the United States" realized that it would be impossible to invade this country by force of arms. Our military would crush them a few miles from the border. But if the invaders were civilian criminals, there would be no military response (by our own law) and the law enforcement patrol of the border is incredibly ineffective and feeble.

As long as these incursions were limited to the border states along the US-Mexico border, as it was for decades, the rest of the country quite honestly did not give a shit. But at some point, someone blew a whistle and millions on the Rio Grande beachheads suddenly raced across the entire country. Places that have never seen a Mexican (and were never Mexican or Spanish territory) have now been inundated with millions of illiterate peons, very possibly pushing this nation to the brink of civil war. Why? With very sharp (and familiar) regional differences, old animosities are starting to bubble to the surface. The last civil war was not started by negroes and the next civil war will not be started by hispanics. The war will be between two incompatible white cultures that have coexisted in this country since colonial times. The ethnic minorities are not the problem and that is why any flashpoint could quickly escalate to a serious standoff, with the potential for rivers of blood.

Blogger Primitive Thinker January 29, 2013 11:59 AM  

The other skeptic, here you go


http://youtu.be/dpFoQmWlk7w

Anonymous DT January 29, 2013 12:00 PM  

When was the last time you were in CA, Vox Day? When was the last time you were in the Bay Area, the Valley or in LA? I spend considerable time in the state. Considerable for both business and pleasure and family obligations. And I can tell you that there is no question that the hispanic middle class is becoming very established.

I live in southern CA...born and raised...and you don't have the faintest clue what you're talking about. Just in the time I've been alive entire neighborhoods have transitioned from middle class to barrio. I keep my distance from Santa Ana, and Anaheim literally had race riots over a police shooting less than a year ago. Anaheim! My parents couldn't have imagined something like this when I was a child.

I've driven through sections of LA that now look like Tijuana, and the running joke is that LA is Mexico City north. About two years ago I was at a convention in LA with a couple friends, got on the wrong freeway, and got back off to use surface streets back to the correct freeway. My two Hispanic friends were nervous over where we were at, and were making jokes about going faster or getting shot. They were afraid of the Hispanic area we were driving through.

I have a couple friends who work in LA, fire and PD. Their stories are depressing. Every time I see them they give eye witness testimony to the impact of our mass importation of poor Hispanic culture, and the refusal of those immigrants to learn anything of American culture and assimilate.

One of my best friends is racially Mexican, but culturally American. His family would be the perfect example of assimilation. Even he recognizes that massive, uncontrolled immigration results in a failure to assimilate. Even he is concerned about our open borders.

Vox may live in Italy, but I live at ground zero. Don't tell me our failed policy of open borders mixed with welfare and multiculturalism is working. It's not.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 29, 2013 12:05 PM  

A wetback telling us that Che was a great man but he begged for his life at the end as well.

Perhaps this guy will be lucky to never meet any armed frail white people.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard January 29, 2013 12:07 PM  

[Incidentally and out of character, I need to ask on behalf of Signe, who's at the doctor today, for some prayers that her test results come back benign, if you can spare the moment.]

[I hate breaking character, but this is far too important.]

Anonymous Stilicho January 29, 2013 12:08 PM  

That is a logical argument, however, the Italians, Germans and Irish had a desire (IMO) to "melt" into the pot. Many families insisted their children speak English. My German great grandmother forbade her family from even speaking German - not out of hate for her home country, but out of a desire for her children to be immersed in the culture of the U.S., and to prosper under the governing laws of the U.S.

My maternal grandmother's family arrived in 1631, colonized Martha's Vineyard, Nantucket, and the Elizabeth Islands before our branch moved south and started intermarrying with German immigrants in the 1690's. My oldest aunt still recalls some of her German aunts/great aunts speaking German amongst themselves, but hiding it from the children because they did not want them to have an accent or to be identifiably German circa WWII. Over 300 years of the mythical melting pot, intermarriage with Puritan Englishmen (one of whom was granted the only feudal manorial estate ever granted by the English crown in the colonies) and the Scots Irish among whom they eventually settled, white European background that made them physically indistinguishable from their neighbors, yet they still had not fully assimilated.

Color my dubious that ANY non-European groups will ever assimilate to any significant degree. Oh, they may, through sheer numbers, change the dominant culture, but that is conquest, not assimilation.

Anonymous VD January 29, 2013 12:09 PM  

Really? You are going to go with "Neener Neener"? Well, I suppose it's a rhetorical strategy...or sorts. See my response to Fish.

You've proven you're not capable of dialectic, Tad. You never change your mind even when you are repeatedly proven to be factually wrong. There is no way to communicate with you but by rhetoric.

Because you are a homosexual, because syphilis is on the increase, and since the overwhelming majority - 80% - of those suffering from syphilis are homosexual men, there is a reasonable chance that the reason for your observable inability to handle the dialectic despite your education and other signs of cognitive function is related to brain damage from syphilis.

Do you follow that logic? If you believe it is incorrect, please identify where.

Anonymous Andre January 29, 2013 12:09 PM  

"Por la Raza is actually Spanish for Look at my new Razr"

It surely is not. What a filthy lie.

Anonymous Stilicho January 29, 2013 12:10 PM  

Color ME dubious. Spelling, it's not just for Nate.

Anonymous Mr. Nightstick January 29, 2013 12:10 PM  

Watch Disneyland. It's fate will tell much as the Hispanics take over Anaheim. If they kill the goose that lays golden eggs we know what to expect. If they protect and nurture the goose then California has a chance.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 29, 2013 12:11 PM  

It should be pointed out that the goal of the political elites is to have all the lesser people fighting each other so they cannot amass enough power to oust the elites ...

Think of it as a control system. Find the instabilities. Get some positive feedback going.

Anonymous Mr. Nightstick January 29, 2013 12:13 PM  

@Loki

Praying over here.

Anonymous VD January 29, 2013 12:13 PM  

The Lombards moved to a depopulated area for the land.

I don't think you quite understand what "depopulated" means. Did you miss this little bit: "conquered all the principal cities".

Anonymous VD January 29, 2013 12:14 PM  

[NP]

Anonymous DonReynolds January 29, 2013 12:14 PM  

Last summer, I went to Wal-Mart to get a fishing license. In-state fishing license is much cheaper than out-of-state. The boy in sporting goods insisted on a government-issued photo identification (drivers license) as a requirement for my obtaining an in-state fishing license. I presented by drivers license and was issued my in-state fishing license.

By coincidence, the next person behind me was a hispanic illegal alien. He also wanted an in-state fishing license, but he had no government issued photo identification of any kind. He said he did not have one, but he lived in the next county. "No problem", said the clerk.

I spoke to the clerk. Then argued with the clerk. And only managed to make it clear that illegal aliens were definitely "out-of-state", but it did not matter. The clerk was apparently a college student at the local university and he does not see being in the country illegally to be important. (But if they had presented a photo id showing them to live in an adjacent state, then the out-of-state fee would definitely apply.)

This is why were are on collision course in this country. Multiply this minor altercation by thousands and thousands a day and soon you get the size of the problem.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard January 29, 2013 12:17 PM  

It surely is not. What a filthy lie.

But it must be so. Tad assures us that the Latinos all wish to assimilate. What else could it possibly mean?

Anonymous toothy January 29, 2013 12:23 PM  

@Loki

Prayers on the way.

Anonymous Andre January 29, 2013 12:26 PM  

Oh, I see. Yes, of course.

Another interesting thing came to my mind. I got to know about Pete Wilson, curiously, from the lyrics of "Raza Odiada", a song by extreme metal band Brujeria.

From Wikipedia (emphasis, in caps, mine):

"As Governor, Wilson was closely associated with California Proposition 187, a 1994 ballot initiative to establish a state-run citizenship screening system and prohibit ILLEGAL aliens from using health care, public education, and other social services in the U.S. State of California."

And here, for your amusement, are the lyrics, with translation, of "Raza Odiada":

http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/90089/

Anonymous DonReynolds January 29, 2013 12:32 PM  

I live in West Arkansas. Our small town has one black family, who has been here for generations. Twenty years ago, there were ZERO hispanics in the entire county. Now our town is about half or more hispanic and they are the only people out after dark because of the mayhem and misconduct. The local school system was practically all white until the last ten years, now it is overflowing with hispanics, many of whom still speak only Spanish when not in school.

My Dad is a competitive shooter and has frequently took turns with my kid brother winning the shooting matches in the county. He spends a lot of time at the gun range. In the last few years, he says he is the only Anglo at the gun range. The Mex are usually there in number and they shoot a lot of ammunition.

How do illegal aliens buy firearms and ammunition? You want to start gun control.....disarm the illegal aliens first.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 29, 2013 12:36 PM  

a small number of immigrants have to fit into the majority culture to prosper. A large number, like Nate said, can propser by catering to one another.

Plus, there's something else going on. when it's small numbers, they tend to be the people least attached to their native culture, because they are the first to leave it. And by "leave" I do mean leave, because there isn't a copy of it in the new country. Large numbers though, they're more attached to the mother country.

Put it another way, in small numbers, they are immigrants, leaving one culture for another. In large number, they are colonists, exapnding their culture to a new area.

Anonymous Tad January 29, 2013 12:40 PM  

@vox Day

You've proven you're not capable of dialectic, Tad. You never change your mind even when you are repeatedly proven to be factually wrong. There is no way to communicate with you but by rhetoric

Oh...how lovely. A rational justification for the "neener neener" argument. Original. Very original.

Still, you'll need to come to grips with the notion that it's not a matter of me being incapable of dialectic, but rather an example of you being unable to dismember either my facts or my arguments: "The Law of Conquest"? Really? It's hard to appreciate the totality of the inapplicability of this position when talking about immigration in America, if only because it applies in no way whatsoever. And yet you still lean on it.

As to the Syphilis remark, I'll grant you that it's kinda cute, in the same way it was kinda cute the way my baby nephew would smile when he shit his pants.

Anonymous Daniel January 29, 2013 12:42 PM  

Were you wearing them at the time, Tad?

Anonymous DT January 29, 2013 12:47 PM  

...but rather an example of you being unable to dismember either my facts or my arguments...

You've posted facts and arguments? Was this in another thread that I missed?

Anonymous bw January 29, 2013 12:52 PM  

@ Loki

Damn, friend. Indeed.
I can't imagine if my "Signe" ...

Blogger Longstreet January 29, 2013 12:53 PM  

@Loki: Praying for Signe. Let us know how things turn out.

Anonymous JartStar January 29, 2013 1:02 PM  

Western Europeans assimilated just fine into Native American culture.

@Loki, Prayers have gone out.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia January 29, 2013 1:05 PM  

Prayer here

Anonymous Loki of Asgard January 29, 2013 1:11 PM  

[The tissues in question are being removed today; we'll know within a week.]

Anonymous Loki of Asgard January 29, 2013 1:12 PM  

[And thank you, of course. My manners are going straight to hell lately.]

Anonymous buzzcut January 29, 2013 1:17 PM  

@ Loki

Praying for Signe.

Anonymous Edjamacator January 29, 2013 1:17 PM  

The U.S. has show a remarkable ability to absorb immigrants and then to see them reliably assimilated into a culture culture based on personal responsibility, democracy and constitutional principles.

Tad, I have a couple of areas in South Jersey I'd like to spend some time in so you can soak up some of that diversity and assimilation you seem to believe in and cherish. After a week, you can post your experiences here and show us the truth.

Much like your unwillingness to post a "gun-free house" sign in your yard, I'm sure you would never put yourself into any of these areas to which I refer. And, you'll even keep the real reasons from yourself, lest you tear apart your own conceits. Reality has something to show you, but you just really don't want to see it. I guess it's not as comforting as the illusions you've created for yourself.

Anonymous The Hoofs Of Thor January 29, 2013 1:18 PM  

Loki, I'm with Signe too. She's much nicer than your eight-legged horse's ass.

Anonymous Edjamacator January 29, 2013 1:19 PM  

@Loki

Said one here as well.

Anonymous Zion's Paladin January 29, 2013 1:21 PM  

@Loki re: prayer

Done and done.

Anonymous buzzcut January 29, 2013 1:22 PM  

. . . I don't understand something from the linked article. Why didn't the police protect the man getting beaten by pipes from the newly-assimilated group?

Anonymous Edjamacator January 29, 2013 1:23 PM  

OT

Norway Data Shows Earth’s Global Warming Less Severe Than Feared

I like this:
New estimates from a Norwegian research project show meeting targets for minimizing global warming may be more achievable than previously thought.

Wow, it'll be easier to take care of a problem that doesn't really exist? That's great news!

Anonymous A Visitor January 29, 2013 1:31 PM  

south Texas has always been mexican

No, it hasn't. I'm not even Texan and I can tell you that's an historical misconception. At the height of Mexico's attempts to colonize what is now Texas, there were 5,000 of them. That's it.

They invited us because they couldn't do it themselves. The reason they couldn't is because Texas, especially eastern Texas is a brutal place to settle (I speak from having lived there for two years).

Anonymous civilServant January 29, 2013 1:47 PM  

I don't think you quite understand what "depopulated" means. Did you miss this little bit: "conquered all the principal cities".

No. I read it in the context of "severely depopulated" and "almost unopposed" and took it to mean there was almost no-one there. And that is my point. The Mexicans come to the United States not because there is no-one there but precisely because it has a large wealthy population. Prior to the United States annexing the Western U.S. it is estimated that perhaps 10000 people of any description lived in all of California Nevada New Mexico Colorado and Arizona. Mexicans did not move to that area until after Americans began to populate it. So. Mexicans immigrate to that region for the money and not for any other reason. But you describe them as a long-term invasion ("These mass migrations - and this is a large one by historical standards - have reliably led to the replacement of the previous culture and people by the invading one. It is why the Italian province of Lombardia still bears that name today, more than 1,400 years after the Lombard invasion of northern Italy.") But when the money stops why would they have any reason to remain? And would they have any ability to remain?

Anonymous DrTorch January 29, 2013 1:59 PM  

Put it another way, in small numbers, they are immigrants, leaving one culture for another. In large number, they are colonists, exapnding their culture to a new area.

Nice succinct answer to Tad's disingenuous inquiry.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler January 29, 2013 2:08 PM  

Vox and the dreaded ILK,

This past Saturday, I attended a coffee hour with our Representative to Congress, a Justin Amash, who is second generation Palestinian Christian. He called on me during the question period, and I talked of immigration.

I asked that all immigration be stopped. Neither he nor the crowd liked my comments. I talked about all the Hindu's and Paki's running our hotels and convenience stores. Justin Amash was for immigration.

I ask you all, Vox, Americans, this shows up the complete and total idiocy of America and this melting pot theory.

My name is "Wheeler". That is an Anglo-Saxon name. I was adopted into a family where my father was an actual WASP. (He converted to Catholicism when he married my mother.) My family's descendants came on the Mayflower.

We used to have Walberg as our representative here. In Michigan, We have a Jewish senator in Levine and Amash is Palestinian.

What does a Jew and a Palestinian care about WASPs for? Would Levine or Amash care what I said?'

Hell no! Would a Jew allow WASPs to be nationalist and protect our community? Hell NO! Would Amash, a libertarian republican and Palestinian take up the common good of the WASPs?

This is all so stupid! This is idiotic! How does the Charlie Schumers or the Levines care about the WASPs?

America is evil. We have foreigners ruling over us. This is all very idiotic. Would you have a foreigner rule over you in a Monarchy?

How can I approach Amash or Levine with my concerns over immigration? I can't. Would they listen? NO. How stupid is this situation!

Anonymous Mr. Pea January 29, 2013 2:08 PM  

Tad says: Further, anyone who has spent time in California of late will notice that this is exactly what's happening there. Second and third generations from Mexican immigrants are are fully assimilating into this kind of American culture—just as the Irish, Asian, Italian, East European and immigrants did.

You are full of shit Tad. My neck of the MexiKaliForniKation desert was vastly predominately white until the Mexicans and blacks started migrating here from L.A. back in the 80's. They moved here for 2 reasons. The L.A. judges sent them here. Mama moved their gangbanger kiddies to take them out of the gangbanging... so they gangbanged here. Then, in the late 90's, someone got the bright idea to create state and federal prisons up here... and now we have whole families who migrate here to be close to their frikkin felons in prison. We now have whole section 8 communities of vibrancy. We have the whole cultural vibrancy in our schools now with gang fights and stabbings and shootings. Every time there is a shooting or stabbing here (Mexican and black), it makes its way into the local paper... the on-line version in the comments section gets taken over by the vibrancy telling us what little knights the homies were and how oh so much they will be missed. Every Friday and Saturday night there are parties out of the ying-yang that turn into fights, shootings, and stabbings. Rapes have gone up. Robberies have gone up. Murders have gone up. Muggings have gone up... In our little tri-city desert area, we have hundreds of businesses that have gone up that caters to nothing but the Mexicans. We even have 3 major grocery stores that cater to no one but the Mexicans. No one dares takes their car to all the Pablo's auto shops... except the Fernando's and Maria's. This is not to say that there isn't a few coconuts around... but they are so very far from the majority of the rest of the vibrancy.

Why do you lie Tad? It doesn't make it so.

Anonymous fish January 29, 2013 2:10 PM  

You know how I can always tell someone is still reaching to the table from the high chair? When make they make the assumption that a gay man will be offended by the insinuation he is gay.

Sigh!

I'm not insinuating that you're gay. You're gay. While I might snicker about your proclivities it's not for the reasons you think....it's just that you're such caricature!

I certainly don't think that me knowing that you're gay and commenting would offend you. I'm saying that you bring nothing of importance to this discussion and that you might be off doing things...things that you might prefer to be doing and not wasting peoples time here. Try DailyKos!

Reading comprehension.......how does it work?

Anonymous Thor's Hammer January 29, 2013 2:11 PM  

Signe, you get well! I have a very large penis...(we all know Loki's is a joke), and we'll go to Vahalla noisily!

Anonymous VryeDenker January 29, 2013 2:12 PM  

"Max mag size is 12 for pistols and revolvers

That would be one interesting revolver.

Nothing beats ye ole machete in close quarters though.

They are too close by that time and you are going to be injured."

1. I don't make the rules.
2. You ALWAYS get injured in a knife fight. The trick is to incapacitate your opponent before he has a chance to attack. Machetes are heavy enough to sever tendons. Knives are to machetes as handguns are to assault rifles.

Anonymous Tad January 29, 2013 2:24 PM  

@Fish

I certainly don't think that me knowing that you're gay and commenting would offend you. I'm saying that you bring nothing of importance to this discussion and that you might be off doing things...things that you might prefer to be doing and not wasting peoples time here. Try DailyKos!

You know how I can tell when someone has fallen off of their high chair when reaching for the table? When they start trying to intellectualize their infantile manner.

Anonymous The CronoLink January 29, 2013 2:26 PM  

Don't get so flustered, Taddy; it's understandable that your emotional attachment, if any, to California would impede you to realize that you are wrong. It's ok, though.

But please, understand this: increased median income has nothing to do with assimilation; movement out of the barrio has nothing to do with assimilation; entrance into the political ruling structures has nothing to do with assimilation; the Hispanic middle class becoming very established has nothing to do with assimilation; or that Hispanic business leaders have become important has nothing to do with assimilation. You just don't know what assimilation is, at all.

Anonymous GreyS January 29, 2013 2:28 PM  

Having grown up in SoCal, I've seen the effects of mass immigration first hand-- and most of it is bad. Entire cities and large swaths of SD, O, LA counties have been ruined and will likely never be good places to live again.

Many of us blame the Republican party because they play-acted for so many years as anti-illegal immigration. I can't tell you how many pols had press conferences down by the fence when it was fundraising/election time-- only to ignore the issue once they got in office.

Even back in the late 70s/early 80s everyone knew where the Dems stood and as the years went by they became more open about their treason. We kept going to the Repubs for help but most of them were nothing more than fakers.

I remember two friends from Mexico-- one legal, one not-- who each came to me on their own and started a discussion about how bad California would become if illegal immigration wasn't stopped. I remember one said to me-- "You people don't understand what is happening."

Anonymous fish January 29, 2013 2:28 PM  

You know how I can tell when someone has fallen off of their high chair when reaching for the table? When they start trying to intellectualize their infantile manner.

Mommy always told you just how smart you were didn't she? Keep swinging son you'll land a blow one of these days.

Anonymous Tad January 29, 2013 2:29 PM  

@Wheeler

What does a Jew and a Palestinian care about WASPs for? Would Levine or Amash care what I said?'

Hell no! Would a Jew allow WASPs to be nationalist and protect our community? Hell NO! Would Amash, a libertarian republican and Palestinian take up the common good of the WASPs?


You've just got to marvel at the attitude of the "Dread Ilk".

"Nationalist" and "protect our communities" of course means, construct policy to discriminate against all but white Christians. Further, it suggests White christians need protecting. Further, it suggests that White Christians ought to be protected.

You won't find a White Christian who thinks this kind of attitude is worthy of a second thought.

Don't worry about the jews....They've got your back, despite the fact that you'd like to to kick them back out of their country.

Anonymous Tad January 29, 2013 2:32 PM  

@Crono

You just don't know what assimilation is, at all.

Oh, I'm pretty sure just how much I know and how much experience I have with assimilation.

But can only imagine your surprise to learn that I think your thoughts on this issue are so far off base as to be silly in the extreme.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard January 29, 2013 2:33 PM  

Further, it suggests that White Christians ought to be protected.

The key to furthering one's genocidal fantasies, Tad, is not to voice them openly until one is in power, you know.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard January 29, 2013 2:35 PM  

Oh, I'm pretty sure just how much I know and how much experience I have with assimilation.

But can only imagine your surprise to learn that I think your thoughts on this issue are so far off base as to be silly in the extreme.


And heretofore I had thought such self-awareness the sole province of women.

Anonymous Andre January 29, 2013 2:39 PM  

@Tad

Hey Tad, here's an experiment. It's all fun and games when you're leeching on a culture (Christian) you don't subscribe to, while at the same time resenting that their folk are trying to protect their culture from foreign influence.

Imagine a country where all gay people, just like you, Tad, would come together and rule themselves just the way they wanted. I imagine that such a country, with 100% of their population being comprised of homosexuals, would be prosperous and a model for the rest of the World. If such a country existed, Tad, would you go live there?

Anonymous Mr. Pea January 29, 2013 2:39 PM  

Tad,

Insertion is not assimilation.

Anonymous Porky January 29, 2013 2:42 PM  

Oh, I'm pretty sure just how much I know and how much experience I have with assimilation.

Tad said that assimilation was 1) having more money, 2) moving out of bad neighborhoods, 3) getting into politics.

Wrong on all three counts, but yes, Tad does know what he knows.

Anonymous 5trych9 January 29, 2013 2:48 PM  

"Oh, I'm pretty sure just how much I know and how much experience I have with assimilation."

Says the Borg Queen.

Anonymous DR. H January 29, 2013 2:49 PM  

Ya'll leave the Tadster alone.

If he want's his hemmorhoids brutalized, thats his own bizness.

Anonymous The CronoLink January 29, 2013 2:52 PM  

@Tad
Oh, I'm pretty sure just how much I know and how much experience I have with assimilation.

Still, you're wrong, because you don't get to define words, and in this case assimilation, to fit your feelings about what you desire assimilation to be.
If you still don't understand, what I'm trying to say is that just because you consider those aspects to define assimilation doesn't make it so. So in the end, those have nothing to do with assimilation; you just don't know what assimilation is, hotrod.

Anonymous Dan in Tx (watching the collapse over a steaming plate of enchiladas) January 29, 2013 2:55 PM  

"The jews have our back." Now that's funny! Unless you mean in the same sense as a tape worm has the back of the host...up until it's completely drained.

Blogger Nate January 29, 2013 3:02 PM  

[you will both be in our prayers mate. God bless.]

Blogger john January 29, 2013 3:04 PM  

Question for the dread ilk here: Doesn't using the argument of the right to association lead directly to "separate but equal" restaurants, buses, schools, etc? It seems like a sound argument, but leads directly to the support of overt racism.

For the Christians here, how are you justifying racism? It really does look like intellectual support for the KKK. I'm asking a serious question. Don't flame me.

Look, my best man in my wedding is black. He's from Jamaica and fully assimilated. He's not a part of the black American culture, but stands against it. He's Christian, but happens to black. We share a religion and that is the basis of our common ground.

I just wanted to hear some Christians chime in on the idea that we should be opposing illegal immigration and how that affects our lives in the Kingdom of God.

By the way, I do oppose illegal immigration. But I'm trying to avoid the racial hatred that seems to be creeping in. I'm competing with a Hispanic at work who makes about $20 less than me. In my last job, it was an Hindu Indian. Managed to hold on to that job and he went somewhere else.

Blogger Pepper January 29, 2013 3:05 PM  

Tad - there are certain people here in Ca who slaughter goats in their front yards. These same people also, somehow, permit feces to accumulate on the floors of their houses, piles so deep they become the new carpet. Thank God for assimilation...! Rather, God bless the contractors who are commissioned to clean up their mess...Next time you come out here, try hitting the suburbs...ANY suburb.

Anonymous JI January 29, 2013 3:09 PM  

Well, one think I can say that's positive is that immigration into America, Canada and Britain (can't speak for the rest of the anglo world, not having been there), leads to a better assortment of restaurants.

Anonymous Starbuck January 29, 2013 3:11 PM  

I was adopted into a family where my father was an actual WASP.-Wheeler

Adopted huh? Now, wouldn't that be delicious irony if Wheeler was actually Jewish from birth? Orphaned, then adopted by a wasp family...

Anonymous Andre January 29, 2013 3:14 PM  

@john

I'm a Christian, but I am writing from Brazil. I don't think racism of any kind is justifiable under Christianity, since all humans have the same intrinsic value, as creatures of God.

What I think is the issue here is that a whole culture is at stake when you have mass immigration like in the case of the USA. When people are willing to be assimilated, I really don't believe there's a problem. But we know for a fact that this is not the case. The American culture, even to the eyes of a foreigner such as myself, is at danger of being overwhelmed by immigrants, illegal to make things worse.

But no, racism is not Christian. That doesn't mean that we should condone any culture because a certain ethnic group happens to practice them, though. I mean, if it's such a great culture, why don't they stay at their countries of origin, enjoying their marvelous culture? The melting pot idea, even for me, is ridiculous.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard January 29, 2013 3:14 PM  

Adopted huh? Now, wouldn't that be delicious irony if Wheeler was actually Jewish from birth? Orphaned, then adopted by a wasp family...

Always amusing, isn't it, to find that one is the child of the enemy. Such a laugh.

Blogger john January 29, 2013 3:18 PM  

Thanks Andre. I gave up on the melting pot idea a long time ago.

Anonymous Starbuck January 29, 2013 3:20 PM  

I just wanted to hear some Christians chime in on the idea that we should be opposing illegal immigration and how that affects our lives in the Kingdom of God.-john

Do you not understand what illegal means? I have to abide by the law or suffer the consequences. Why can't the federal government and people in other countries abide by the federal regarding immigration? Just because you don't agree with it politically doesn't change the law. In order to change the law you must legistlate it. However, you have to get the majority of legistlatures to agree to change the law. Which isn't always easy.

Allowing illegal immigrants to come here and not prosecuting them causes changes in the communities that were here. That is undeniable. For the federal government to ignore the immigration laws is criminal. Nothing against other races. It is reality. If you want to immigrate to this country, do so legally. If you don't like it, so what?! The law should be upheld. But it isn't because it isn't politically correct.

If you let immigration go on unchecked it will have serious consequences to the country. The country will change and no longer be the same country. How is this not understood? Why do so many people fail to realize this? It's not rocket science and your logic won't change this.

Anonymous Stilicho January 29, 2013 3:26 PM  

Question for the dread ilk here: Doesn't using the argument of the right to association lead directly to "separate but equal" restaurants, buses, schools, etc? It seems like a sound argument, but leads directly to the support of overt racism.
You are conflating my right to associate with whom I please with forced non-association by the government.

I'm asking a serious question.
Let's assume you are not a concern troll for the moment. See response above. Further, why are you assuming that blacks are racist when they associate with each other instead of white Christians?

I just wanted to hear some Christians chime in on the idea that we should be opposing illegal immigration and how that affects our lives in the Kingdom of God.

Please show us where God commands his worshipers to allow their homes to be despoiled by invaders. Additionally, please show us where God commands that the State forcibly rob Christians of their wealth in order to distribute that wealth to others, including other Christians.

Anonymous Josh January 29, 2013 3:26 PM  

Wheeler, you twit.

Amash is, with the retirement of Dr Paul, one of the five best representatives in Congress.

Blogger john January 29, 2013 3:27 PM  

@Starbuck
Yes, but then you have to admit that we favor a single race, right? Or are you arguing on the basis of law alone? I'm not trying to be PC. I'm just observing that at some point you have to draw the line. And I am wondering where the line is different in terms of Christian morality that it would be in terms of political reality.

By this logic then, weren't the Europeans in the Americas illegally? Didn't the Native Americans have first claim? Instead of discussion, we just drove them out. I'm trying to figure out why it was ok for Christians then to drive out the Native Americans and why it's ok for Christians today to shun "feral blacks" and other races that don't conform to my morality (Christian).

Blogger john January 29, 2013 3:31 PM  

@Stilicho
Great points. You're right. I see the basis now.

One of the key tenets of the Hebrew Bible is property rights. This (in my understanding) formed the basis for our current Western culture and Economic system of Capitalism.

I do think blacks are more racist than whites when they refuse to allow whites into their clubs. I'm no fan of affirmative action either.

And Christianity is pretty clear (in my opinion, the liberal wings of Liberation Theology notwithstanding) that those who will not work, will not eat. There is an ethic of work and self-reliance where we are responsible for our actions.

Thanks again for the comments.

Blogger john January 29, 2013 3:33 PM  

By the way, I do understand the Greek influence on Western Civilization. But Greek culture isn't the only basis of the American system.

Anonymous VD January 29, 2013 3:36 PM  

Still, you'll need to come to grips with the notion that it's not a matter of me being incapable of dialectic, but rather an example of you being unable to dismember either my facts or my arguments

You're wrong. Again. As usual. Your "facts" are reliably false and your arguments get shot down again and again. And yet you blithely ignore it and pretend it is not the case, so there is no need to respond to your arguments.

Now, you haven't violated the rules, so you're welcome to continue repeating your disease-addled pseudo-dialect here, but there is no need for me or anyone else to respond to them in a non-rhetorical manner. You're neither the first nor the last anklebiter to infest the comments. Perhaps you'll eventually get bored, perhaps not. It doesn't matter.

TL;DR version: Shut up, Tad.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard January 29, 2013 3:36 PM  

Yes, but then you have to admit that we favor a single race, right?

Yes. You currently favour half-white, half-Aztec persons with your refusal to enforce immigration laws.

I'm trying to figure out why it was ok for Christians then to drive out the Native Americans

You are unfamiliar with the concept of "conquest", I see.

and why it's ok for Christians today to shun "feral blacks" and other races that don't conform to my morality (Christian).

Why, no. Of course not. Embrace wholeheartedly those people who regularly violate the commandments of the God you claim to love, to the point of shunning those who obey. Show favour and preference to those who have no regard for law or order.

Such as I thrive upon your tolerance, mistake me not.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler January 29, 2013 3:37 PM  

Race and all of its parameters, John, fall under the Natural Law. As early as Aristotle noted that human beings are, in his words, "Social animals".

In more layman speak--"Herd Animals". Human beings are herd animals. Instead of calling us "Herds", we are races.

God created Races. Read the Tower of Babel story where God called the "Unity of Man" evil. God restored the races of men and changed their language SO THEY WOULD NOT COOPERATE with each other.

America is a Masonic country and Masonry is a carrier of Jewish Ideology which believes it is destined to rebuild the Tower of Babel! Jewish Messianism requires the building of the Messianic Age in order to bring about the Jewish Messiah.

The killing of kings ensconced in modern republicanism and deracination ensconced in political correctness is about destroying races and nations in order to build the Messianic Age!

The Natural Law is "Birds of a feather flock together", that is the right to association. Humans associate by kind. The first one being by blood. "Blood is thicker than water" is about having loyalty to your kinsman. These two things support what Johann Herder discovered, "The Sense of Belonging" in group dynamics.

Johann Herder also discovered that all groups have racial prejudice. This is normal. "The Sense of Belonging" and "Racial prejudice" or volkenhass are Laws of Nature, or Natural Law.

The
Natural Law
comes from Jesus Christ.

The Natural Law is the constitution of the Natural Order. Race is part of the natural order. To attack race makes one a misologos, a hater of the Logos.

There has to be racial prejudice, racial hatred in order to maintain the boundaries and cohesion of the group. It is natural. Racial Hatred must be in the Golden Mean, not the deficiency nor the extreme.

Christianity does not negate the Natural Law. Race, like gender, exists in heaven. It is righteousness to stay in one's group. It is perfectly alright to have a modicum of racial hatred in order to preserve your group which is a command from God, i.e. Genesis, "To cultivate and to Keep". You must keep your race. That is your Christian duty!

Anonymous VD January 29, 2013 3:39 PM  

For the Christians here, how are you justifying racism?

The same way you justify gravity. Or skin cells. There is nothing to justify. It simply is. We're not all the same. We're not even all the same genetic sub-species.

You're worrying about separate but equal? Try to wrap your head around this: equality is a myth.

Anonymous CunningDove January 29, 2013 3:39 PM  

And I am wondering where the line is different in terms of Christian morality that it would be in terms of political reality. - john

The line is the point where force is initiated - on either side of the question. If I am forced to sell my home/rent the apartment to someone I do not wish to for any reason at all... that is where I draw the line. Likewise if I am prohibited from selling my home/renting my apartment to someone that I do wish to for any reason at all... that is also where I draw the line.

As was mentioned earlier, you are confusing "freedom of association" with "forced government association" or "freedom of non-association" with "forced government non-association"

Anonymous Stilicho January 29, 2013 3:40 PM  

Thanks again for the comments.

You are welcome.

Anonymous Porky? January 29, 2013 3:42 PM  

there are certain people here in Ca who slaughter goats in their front yards.

This actually sounds great. Love a good cabrito.

These same people also, somehow, permit feces to accumulate on the floors of their houses, piles so deep they become the new carpet.

Now you know why they eat on the front lawn.

Anonymous Buckeyecopperhead January 29, 2013 3:43 PM  

Not sure which is worse: Tad's stupidity or Tad's STD. Both are infectious.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler January 29, 2013 3:45 PM  

Josh, I personally viewed and listened to Justin Amash for an hour. Yes, he is a libertarian republican.

But he has NO loyalty, concern, or care for the White Anglo-Saxons. What does a Palestinian have to do with America?

Absolutely NOTHING!

We need to stop all immigration, and send every Muslim back including those from Middle East and Levantine. NO MORE.

Amash praised America. This man is clueless to what is going on. He is Naive. I don't care if he is the second-coming of Ronald Reagan. Originally, America was a masonic country meaning it is based on masonic principles and values. There are NOT Christian! America is the seat of world revolution---not Christian!

With Numbers USA, Amash has a C+ rating while Wahlberg, a Northern European, had a A+ rating on immigration!

As a supposed leader, he should know about Culture and how important it is. The science of culture completely escapes him!

America is totally asinine. We have a black president who hates original america, we have Jewish senators and Palestinian representatives and a whole bunch of Paki and Hindu's running all of our convenience stores!!! How idiotic this all is!

I want to be around my own kind. I want to see my own kind. I am sick and tired of this diversity BS.

Anonymous Daniel January 29, 2013 3:46 PM  

Some of the comments have me weeping with laughter. Good Lord, Dread Ilk. Let no one ever accuse you of being bad Christians. You don't just love your enemies, you adore them!

Anonymous GreyS January 29, 2013 3:50 PM  

---"Try to wrap your head around this: equality is a myth."

When I was a teenager someone was telling me how hard it was for humans to treat each other equally. I remember thinking-- The interesting question was how would humans treat a particular race if it was proved that that particular race was proved inferior? Or if we discovered an inferior race on a nearby planet. Maybe there is a good SF book along those lines?

Anonymous Porky January 29, 2013 3:52 PM  

@Loki

Praying for Signe.

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