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Sunday, February 17, 2013

All cultures are equal

Sure, some forms of African folk witchcraft may sound terrible.  But Crusades!  And Spanish Inquisition!  Dominionists!
Attackers collecting body parts of albinos for witchcraft have hacked off the hand of a seven-year old boy in Tanzania, the latest in a series of bloody assaults, officials said on Sunday.  "The boy was attacked on Saturday by three people as he walked home with his four school friends," said Apolinary Macheta, the local government leader in Tanzania's southwestern Milepa district.  The boy, Mwigulu Magessa, is recovering in hospital, Macheta added.

The attack came just days after an albino mother of four had her arm chopped off by machete-wielding men, with police on Saturday saying they had arrested five men after discovering the decomposing limb hidden in a field.  In Tanzania, albinos are killed and dismembered due to a widespread belief that charms made from their body parts bring good fortune and prosperity.
In fairness to the Tanzanians, one can make a flawless utilitarian argument in defense of the practice.

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Anonymous Mystery Man February 17, 2013 6:22 PM  

No no no no.

It's not the arm. It's the LEFT HIND FOOT.

Seriously, can't these people do anything right?

Anonymous Anonymous, I am. February 17, 2013 6:37 PM  

It's not that all men/cultures are equal, but that they should be treated equally under the law. This seems to be a point you are deliberately missing in your "Vibrancy is our Strength" schtick.

Anonymous jack February 17, 2013 6:41 PM  

I believe that I will take Tanzania and Burundi off my vacation list for this next year; or, anywhere in Africa. Lets add most of Indonesia to that NO list as well as China, Russia any of the 'stans' and a lot of South America.

You know, I'll probably just stay home next year....

Blogger Baloo February 17, 2013 6:46 PM  

How in the Hell can we treat all cultures as equal under the law? What does that even mean?

Anonymous mattos February 17, 2013 6:47 PM  

Albino-based witchcraft culture should be treated equally under the law?

Anonymous re allow anonymous comments February 17, 2013 6:47 PM  

Tad got a new screen name, lol

Blogger Nate February 17, 2013 6:49 PM  

Sure Jack... stay home in the super safe and secure and free United States.

I suggest you visit Chicago.

Anonymous The CronoLink February 17, 2013 6:53 PM  

that they should be treated equally under the law

The law? What law? Are all laws equal?

Anonymous trk February 17, 2013 6:58 PM  

perhaps the tribals will post their recipe on Pinetrist as 10 Savory Albino Delights

Anonymous Anonymous, I am. February 17, 2013 7:02 PM  

Albino-based witchcraft culture should be treated equally under the law?

Yes.

Tad got a new screen name, lol

Maybe, I'm not him.

Are all laws equal?

Perhaps rephrase, this doesn't make sense.

Anonymous Anonymous, is Tad February 17, 2013 7:11 PM  

"Maybe, I'm not him. "


LOL, nice try Tad

Anonymous Tad's Anonymous Brain February 17, 2013 7:15 PM  

It's not that all men/cultures are equal, but that they should be treated equally under the law.

...And by "equal under the law" I mean everybody should divvy up the wealth of the world equally.

Anonymous scoobius dubious February 17, 2013 7:17 PM  

Clearly, the only way to save the albinos and stop the Tanzanians from doing more of this, is to air-lift all of them over here at once to live in America, where the soothing influence of labor unions and the clear-headed, rational discourse of NPR will exert their desired effects.

Start up the C-130s! Lives are at stake! Fill America with Tanzanians!

It's for the children.



Anonymous Porky February 17, 2013 7:18 PM  

If Obama had an albino son he'd look just like Mwigulu.

Anonymous Mystery Man February 17, 2013 7:20 PM  

No, no, we must mobilize the military and help the poor, oppressed Tanzanians to institute a secular democracy!

We must make Africa safe for feminism!

Anonymous DT February 17, 2013 7:25 PM  

It's not that all men/cultures are equal, but that they should be treated equally under the law.

Cultures are not equal and should not be treated equally by society or the law. Some cultures are conducive to human progress, peace, and prosperity. Others are barbaric and lead to suffering and death. We should in fact show extreme prejudice towards certain cultures, and some behaviors within otherwise acceptable cultures.

Albino-based witchcraft culture should be treated equally under the law?

Yes.


This is like saying healthy cells and cancer cells should be treated equally by your doctor.

Anonymous The Anonymous Idiocy of Tad February 17, 2013 7:30 PM  

...And by "equal under the law" I mean everybody should divvy up the wealth of the world equally.

And by "divvy up the wealth of the world equally" I mean give more wealth to minorities who believe they have been wronged by whitey.

Blogger Bob Wallace February 17, 2013 7:30 PM  

@Baloo

"How in the Hell can we treat all cultures as equal under the law? What does that even mean?"

It doesn't make any sense to me, either.

Anonymous Porky? February 17, 2013 7:31 PM  

Get ready for the push for sensible machete control legislation.

Anonymous Faust February 17, 2013 7:34 PM  

"It's not that all men/cultures are equal, but that they should be treated equally under the law."

Presumably, this would extend to voting rights as well, yes? The albino limb-hacker's vote should count for just as much as yours?

And if enough of them should gather in an area to make limb-hacking the law of the land, this law is completely legitimate? And if they were to come for your arm, you would gladly offer it up, yes?

Anonymous scoobius dubious February 17, 2013 7:38 PM  

"Other [cultures] are barbaric and lead to suffering and death. We should in fact show extreme prejudice towards certain cultures"

No, we should simply leave them the hell alone, ignore them, let them do what they do on their own time, and for heaven's sake, NEVER invite them to come live here.

There's no profit in showing extreme prejudice, and besides, it goes against natural law, interfering with whatever development among them may transpire, though it take centuries: the Romans thought the Germans barbaric, and the mediaeval Arabs thought the French violent, stupid and insane. Both were probably right at the time... but things worked out differently.

Let 'em alone. Fence them off, if need be, and turn it into a wild game preserve. But the main thing is, do NOT bring them over here.


Anonymous DT February 17, 2013 7:39 PM  

Get ready for the push for sensible machete control legislation.

Actually, that would make more sense in Africa than gun control in America.

Anonymous DT February 17, 2013 7:45 PM  

No, we should simply leave them the hell alone, ignore them, let them do what they do on their own time, and for heaven's sake, NEVER invite them to come live here.

That's fine for those who are not here and do not engage in actions that affect here. But what about those that are already here?

For example: should we celebrate ghetto black culture, or shame it into oblivion?

There's no profit in showing extreme prejudice, and besides, it goes against natural law, interfering with whatever development among them may transpire, though it take centuries: the Romans thought the Germans barbaric, and the mediaeval Arabs thought the French violent, stupid and insane. Both were probably right at the time... but things worked out differently.

The Prime Directive? Again, that's fine if they're not here. But they are here, and in massive numbers.

But the main thing is, do NOT bring them over here.

Too late :-(

Anonymous Idle Spectator February 17, 2013 7:55 PM  

The attack came just days after an albino mother of four had her arm chopped off by machete-wielding men, with police on Saturday saying they had arrested five men after discovering the decomposing limb hidden in a field. In Tanzania, albinos are killed and dismembered due to a widespread belief that charms made from their body parts bring good fortune and prosperity.

We just need more education.

For others things too, like this: Nigerian police hold 'robber' goat

It was really a magician in disguise. This is the Nigerian Cyberpolice! Arrest the goat or consequences will never be the same!


And you probably scoffed when I brought up that muti thing from South Africa.

Now the healing may begin.

Anonymous Will Best February 17, 2013 8:04 PM  

@ Nate. Chicago is perfectly safe if you stay out of about 20-25 zip codes.

Anonymous stg58/Animal Mother February 17, 2013 8:04 PM  

are you albino?

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein February 17, 2013 8:05 PM  

Get ready for the push for sensible machete control legislation.

Machete control is being able to lop off your target with one chop.

Anonymous Idle Spectator February 17, 2013 8:06 PM  

Naomi Wolf, Feminist activist in early talks with Al Jazeera

I wonder when she will wear a burqa?

The hits just keep coming for the Girl Scouts' Tolerance Troop.

Anonymous Roundtine February 17, 2013 8:08 PM  

Africans in Tanzania are treated equally under the law. If you happen to be born albino, you get chopped up for witchcraft. All albinos are treated equally.

Anonymous James May February 17, 2013 8:13 PM  

Maybe the internet they use to try and get me to accept a $2,500 money order and keep the change by sending them only $250 was down. Anyway, it's good to know white skin is considered lucky there, even if it has to be stuffed like a moose on a wall first.

Anonymous Mike M. February 17, 2013 8:29 PM  

Colonialism doesn't sound so bad now, does it?

Anonymous Anonymous February 17, 2013 8:46 PM  

The deadline for declaring and presenting a platform, was February 16. Who . . . pray tell . . . are the 2013 SFWA Candidates for President?

Anonymous jack February 17, 2013 8:56 PM  

@Nate

I've visited and worked in Chicago frequently. Yes, its a crap hole; 14 million people, I think.
Safe in the USofA? Sometimes; if you can find a good place. I have, for the most part. Its in the same state you call home.

Anonymous Outlaw X February 17, 2013 8:59 PM  

Idle let me show you something, call it sad or ignorant. It reminds me od Bellicheck and cheating during football and my friends from Boston and Maine didn't give a damn it was their team. Liberals don't care about America or liberty they only write books when a so called conservative is in office. This tells you two things that they believe first that the Pesident is a dictator and they hate the one that isn't part of their "pertY" This is becoming so obvious to me.

I hated the wars,and really thought sme liberals did as well, though I am conservative according to most definitions. So she writes a book called the End of America and as soon as Obama was elected she shut up. Even though he accelerated the policies she was so worried about. I was actually stupid enough to read her book and she was right, now she don't care.

They are all liars my friend.

http://www.amazon.com/The-End-America-Warning-Patriot/dp/1933392797/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1361152158&sr=8-3&keywords=The+End+of+America%3A

Anonymous Anonymous February 17, 2013 9:11 PM  

"It's not that all men/cultures are equal, but that they should be treated equally under the law. This seems to be a point you are deliberately missing in your "Vibrancy is our Strength" schtick."

I think your skin will provide good charms that will result in fortune and good luck.

- Jumboto Zambezu Shaka, PhD.

Anonymous beerme February 17, 2013 9:15 PM  

we should bomb the Tanzanians and set up a separate state for the albinos. It worked so well in Kosovo.

Anonymous sprach von Teufelshunden February 17, 2013 9:33 PM  

Tanzania, a former British colony, I do hope the police are not utilizing the Tetra System. For then even more utility can be engendered for the machete. Certainly not in the hands of the LAPD! Let us not certainly commingal MS-13 with law enforcement, dare say the active military. Yes! Yes I do call for national legislation to ban all machetes. If you so much possess one, then you will be summarily executed via one. How's that for a scientific dictatorship? So there... [miffs, sniffs, and ducks]

Anonymous Anonymous February 17, 2013 9:40 PM  

Excellent. Something needed to be done about these people's white privilege.

Anonymous daddynichol February 17, 2013 9:46 PM  

It's not that all men/cultures are equal, but that they should be treated equally under the law. This seems to be a point you are deliberately missing in your "Vibrancy is our Strength" schtick.

You mean like Affirmative Action?

Anonymous The other skeptic February 17, 2013 9:48 PM  

Naomi Wolf, Feminist activist in early talks with Al Jazeera

I wonder when she will wear a burqa?


Not to mention the clitoridectomy. (Also, fixed that link for you.)

Still, I guess she could not get enough of Fat Al.

Anonymous castricv February 17, 2013 9:55 PM  

Isn't it time yet to bring these people to Minnesota? There simply is not enough diversity yet. Surely some unitarian pseudo church is just dying to bring them here for conversion.

I think the missionaries woke up one day and said, "going to third world shittholes is dangerous, uncomfortable, and there's no more Brits around to call on for help. Plus the people hate us and the good ole USA isn't going to be storming the beaches to come save us from our own stupidity, so wait a minute, we can simply bring them here and parade them around our church so we can look cultured for our other hoity-toity friends!!!"

Anonymous zen0 February 17, 2013 10:02 PM  

OT

This skit was pulled from SNL after complaints by the ADL:

SNL Skit

NBC's flagship satirical television show, Saturday Night Live, cancelled the airing of a controversial skit lampooning the confirmation hearing of Secretary of Defense nominee Chuck Hagel, but uploaded the skit to the internet.

The skit prompted criticism from the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and from Israel advocate Mark Langfan, among others.

Foxman told The Daily Beast the sketch was “overdone and overdone and overdone. It focuses on the issue of Israel to such a ridiculous extreme that we do become concerned because there is a claim out there that America’s a tool of the Israelis.”


I just mention it because I know a few people here would be interested.

( I like the preview on this comment system because they tell you what tag you screwed up on)

Anonymous Jack Amok February 17, 2013 10:55 PM  

Chicago is perfectly safe if you stay out of about 20-25 zip codes.

I used to think the same thing, but then Obama and the Chicago crowd started migrating out. It's like Section 8 for politicians. No, Chicago isn't safe, even if you never go there. Best to nuke it.


Here's the equality I'm willing to give all cultures and all men. I'll judge them by the same standards. If you go around hacking up people to supply aphrodisiacs and what-not, you and your culture are shit regardless of your skin color or official victim status. If you can't understand how I can make that distinction, you and your culture are shit, regardless of your skin color or academic credentials.

Anonymous David of One February 17, 2013 11:22 PM  

From the article that Vox cited ...

"Albinism is a genetic condition characterised by a deficiency of melanin pigmentation in the skin, hair and eyes which protects from the sun's ultraviolet rays.

People suffering from the condition are discriminated against and persecuted in many African countries."

Yep, most of the continent is really vibrant. Diverse and vibrant ... showing the world the way.

Slaughtering anything and everything ... just a veritable "cradle of life" ... and death.

The "United Nations" should do something!!! Like forcing all of vibrant Africa to register those machetes, tires, gasoline and matches.

Anonymous Soga February 17, 2013 11:24 PM  

You can't fix Africa.

But it's a good money sink for liberals who want to mindlessly throw their "charity money" at it, so let 'em.

Anonymous Mudz February 18, 2013 12:17 AM  

You can't fix it by throwing money at it anyway. Africa's fixable in the same sense that America's fixable. Technically possible, but sociologically unlikely.

Still, it is still good to give to charity, for the sake of individuals, if not the country.

To actually fix it, you would probably have to have a well organised and civilised nation or force march in and literally just conquer and subjugate it. Then probably rotate the populace in a slave-to-citizen system.

I'm thinking of Romans, mainly.

America isn't a good idea because it's divided and collapsing, according to Vox. It wouldn't be able to afford it. And it'd probably ruin import/export business when you can't proxy-slave a third world nation's workforce. I don't know if Africa's a big deal to American economy, but it would still be an unpopular/risky move, as far as America is concerned, and America lacks the resources for a definitive attempt to 're-civilise Africa', and try and support a greater society-weight in its citizens, for however much time it would take to start getting return on the 'investment'.

(Economy isn't my area. But that's how it seems to me, from where I sit. Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

Anonymous Glacierman February 18, 2013 1:10 AM  

And what are the chances that 2 stories on the same day have to do with Albino's?

This from another blog, and I happen to know the gentleman who is named Earl in the story.

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/calling-all-men.html#comments

Blogger ajw308 February 18, 2013 2:15 AM  

Yes! Yes I do call for national legislation to ban all machetes.

Barbara Boxer and Chuck Schumer would tell you that's ridiculous. We only need to ban machetes with 2, or more, of the following military features:
1) bayonete lug,
2) formed of black material,
3) pistol grip,
4) 10", or longer

However all machetes manufactured by Ruger will be exempt.

Now that makes sense.

Anonymous AdognamedOp February 18, 2013 2:29 AM  

Zeno: "This skit was pulled from SNL after complaints by the ADL."

Yet they had no problem when SNL ridiculed the Pope and Jesus last show.

The ADL dont give a damn about defamation. They welcome it.

Anonymous Hong Hu Shi February 18, 2013 3:16 AM  

I believe that I will take Tanzania and Burundi off my vacation list for this next year; or, anywhere in Africa.

I lived in Burundi for two years and loved it. Had a family of vervet monkeys that would come to my walled yard as a safehaven (the locals would attack them, because the monkeys would eat the fruit in the trees; I let them have whatever they wanted from my trees and gave them bananas and raisins by hand). The male and his two females had six little boys during my time there, but by the time I left, only one adult female and three of the boys were still living.

Nonetheless, I did virtually nothing there, because it was generally a den of thieves. Everybody regardless of race was subject to pickpocketing and mugging, though generally not violent crime. Great place for a hermit like me. I had a full-time housekeeper/cook for about $100 a month and a full-time gardener for $75. Not bad work in a place where the annual per-capita income was only $95.

Oh, there was a place called the Musée Vivant (Living Museum) that was like a small zoo. They had a few Nile crocodiles there, and for $5 each, they'd toss a guinea pig into the enclosure. The little thing would run straight into the water and then realize he wasn't alone. Those little legs never had a chance! Now, for $50 or so, you could buy a goat to toss in there... The carnage...

The bottom line, though, is that white people are not albinos, so they aren't targeted by these type of people for this particular "need". They may be targeted for other things though, so you've always got a chance of being wanted.

Anonymous Stilicho February 18, 2013 6:28 AM  

But it's a good money sink for liberals who want to mindlessly throw their "charity money" at it, so let 'em.

When was the last time you saw a liberal propose throwing his own money at a perceived problem? Your money, on the other hand, appears much more aerodynamic to the typical liberal...just right for throwing, in fact.

Anonymous Godfrey February 18, 2013 10:15 AM  

@ Vox "...a woman who works is statistically much less likely to eventually become a wife and mother, and even when she does, she becomes one several years later and has fewer children."


And it was promoted by the power elites for that very reason.

Anyone else notice a common thread to what the power elites promote and force on the culture?

Blogger hadley February 18, 2013 12:30 PM  

Speaking of the Inquisition, Google "site:modernghana.com lynching" or "site:modernghana.com burn witch". Be careful about the online witch burning videos. You can't unsee them.

I do respect the Negroes in Africa who (in the absence of any effective Negro policing) take matters into their own hands. You do what you have to do. In the absence of European-style policing/judging/imprisonment that often means lynching.

The Negro people of Detroit and South Africa are discovering this as the white man's legal system collapses. They both have huge and growing unsolved murder rates AND huge and growing justifiable homicide rates.

Anonymous PC Geek February 18, 2013 1:58 PM  

Still, it is still good to give to charity, for the sake of individuals, if not the country.

So you can reward poor decision making, a failed culture, and arm child soldiers?

Giving Africa $$ only makes the problem worse.

Anonymous Mudz February 18, 2013 3:05 PM  

It would depend where your money goes. I doubt that anyone would hold a 2 year old child responsible for badly governing its society. Such children aren't perpetrators, just luckless.

America's made some poor decisions with it's economy too, apparently. I don't hold that against you.

You may be entirely correct that generally funnelling money over there ends up worsening conditions. But I would have to receive more information to support the notion, before I decide that it's a bad idea to give a few dollars for some dying kid. Remember, I'm talking specific people, not governments and societies. (That would take something far more significant, obviously.)

I don't find children with guns any more frightening a notion than adults with guns. Just sadder. Spartans were probably worse.

If Africa's such a shithole, and doomed to inescapable failure, then it doesn't matter does it? Just toss a few coins in, and maybe you'll alleviate the suffering of a few innocent. At least for a time. But in any case, I do not think I could believe that literally everyone in Africa is born evil, or becomes evil.

Blogger tz February 18, 2013 6:14 PM  

... Equally under the law ...

The oppressive albino's with their magic lucky body parts should be forced to share !?

The law still must set a standard, but that is what is being disputed.

The natural law says one thing, but it says we are criminals.

Which laws? Who decides? Can you impose reason and logic - and what Tradition has found to possess such? If so we are not any less guilty, only guilty of different crimes.

Chopping off a few limbs of albinos is less evil than murdering a million babies in their mother's womb each year. And although the belief is in error, the dismemberers at least hope for a real gain, the murderers are doing so because the life is merely inconvenient for them.

Anonymous PC Geek February 18, 2013 9:17 PM  

You may be entirely correct that generally funnelling money over there ends up worsening conditions. But I would have to receive more information to support the notion, before I decide that it's a bad idea to give a few dollars for some dying kid.

I am entirely correct - here is some good info for starters:

Here and here

Look - I appreciate where you are coming from, but you can't those who demonstrably don't want to, and can't be, helped - we have given Africa trillions in aid, and despite the fact that Africa has more natural resources than Europe, they remain third world shitholes while far poorer countries in Europe and Asia do far better.

We could give every $ ever produced to Africa and they would be starving before you could even take the time to reply back to my comment.

I wish this were not true, I really do - but it simply is as it is.

I don't find children with guns any more frightening a notion than adults with guns. Just sadder. Spartans were probably worse.

Children with guns under the supervision of a responsible adult in a first world society != child soldiers given guns and forced into vicious and pointless wars of tribal aggression.

Anonymous Mudz February 18, 2013 10:42 PM  

I didn't think for a second that you were simply being mean-spirited. I don't doubt that your position is based on concrete realities. I just think you're focusing on broad, unfixable issues to the point of ignoring small points that we can influence positively. Although your intial reply was off the top of your head.

It's not the first time I've heard or thought that charities were either scams or largely useless.

I don't actually know if I've ever actually donated to African charity, basically because I grew up with the same sort of conviction. It's only lately that I've started seriously reconsidering such a blanket approach.

(I'll be honest. Jesus said to give to widows and orphans, and there's no orphanages or widow funds in my country. I'm going through Christianity withdrawal.)

I would not actually advocate America, or western countries pouring significant national resources into Africa. I agree (based on my superficial knowledge), that that would be a) disastrous for America, etc, b) a drop in the ocean for Africa.
You need a strong economy and a strong hand to prop up a country, and I don't think anyone has it. We're having trouble maintaining ourselves, America more than most.

But, small doses.

I'm talking individual to individual. Specific cases of (at least perceived) merit. There has to be good sorts here and there that are simply caught in a bad place, and we could have a positive influence on their lives. Give them bread-money, a bible, and see if maybe something won't come from it.

Maybe that money would be better helping someone else. But I hate the idea of basically abandoning the few righteous along with the many unrighteous, in the entire country. Abraham's lament.

Salvation has to be possible, even in the worst places. If not through these one-to-one charities, perhaps there is some other way.


Haha, I know what child soldiers are. Spartan kids were raised in similiar sort of circumstances. Taught to steal and fight, fend for themselves on the street, in order to make good soldiers for the state.

It's terrible. But it just doesn't seem out of character.

(You do care about the chil'druns after all. :P)

-

I will read through the links you gave me. Appreciate it.

I am going to table my argument until I've done some more comprehensive research.

Anonymous PC Geek February 18, 2013 11:22 PM  

@Mudz

Thanks for your reply.

I hope I didn't come across as saying *never* to give to charity at all...merely any that are related to Africa.

As for myself, I only give to Christian charities (I believe that they would be better stewards of the money than many secular charities - there was a post on this blog about the red cross a while back that dealt with this quite well).

I also focus on ones that address this country and have given on a one on one basis when I knew the recipient was facing genuine hard times.

I simply don't want to end up subsidizing people's sinful and foolish choices (which is often what leads to poverty) when I am trying to fulfill our Lord's command toward genuine charity. I am sure I don't get it right 100% of the time...

Anonymous Mudz February 19, 2013 12:56 AM  

I totally get it. I doubt our convictions are actually dissimiliar. Just the nuances.

One should try to be effective with these efforts, so I don't count it against you that you're being discerning about where to put the money. I'm not attempting to guilt-trip you about little black babies, or any of that crap.

I even don't mind that you would concentrate on the society that you're part of. Why wouldn't you? I would help my parents out before anyone elses.


As for myself, I only give to Christian charities (I believe that they would be better stewards of the money than many secular charities - there was a post on this blog about the red cross a while back that dealt with this quite well).


I feel similiarly. Even when I was kind of anti-Catholic, I still loved the Catholics for their emphasis on charity. I would trust Christians before any other charity, and in fact, I was having a big discussion with my parents not too long ago, trying to figure out what large-scale Christian charities actually exist in my country. Salvation Army, I think.

I simply don't want to end up subsidizing people's sinful and foolish choices (which is often what leads to poverty) when I am trying to fulfill our Lord's command toward genuine charity. I am sure I don't get it right 100% of the time...

I completely agree with the sentiment. We simply have to try and use our best judgment.

Blogger Sweet One May 03, 2013 11:50 PM  

What is the utalitarian argument?

Blogger Sweet One May 03, 2013 11:51 PM  

What is the utalitarian argument?

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