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Monday, February 11, 2013

The Pope resigns

Sic transit gloria olivæ:
Dear Brothers,

I have convoked you to this Consistory, not only for the three canonizations, but also to communicate to you a decision of great importance for the life of the Church.

After having repeatedly examined my conscience before God, I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry.

I am well aware that this ministry, due to its essential spiritual nature, must be carried out not only with words and deeds, but no less with prayer and suffering.

However, in today’s world, subject to so many rapid changes and shaken by questions of deep relevance for the life of faith, in order to govern the bark of Saint Peter and proclaim the Gospel, both strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognize my incapacity to adequately fulfill the ministry entrusted to me.

For this reason, and well aware of the seriousness of this act, with full freedom I declare that I renounce the ministry of Bishop of Rome, Successor of Saint Peter, entrusted to me by the Cardinals on 19 April 2005, in such a way, that as from 28 February 2013, at 20:00 hours, the See of Rome, the See of Saint Peter, will be vacant and a Conclave to elect the new Supreme Pontiff will have to be convoked by those whose competence it is.

Dear Brothers, I thank you most sincerely for all the love and work with which you have supported me in my ministry and I ask pardon for all my defects.

And now, let us entrust the Holy Church to the care of Our Supreme Pastor, Our Lord Jesus Christ, and implore his holy Mother Mary, so that she may assist the Cardinal Fathers with her maternal solicitude, in electing a new Supreme Pontiff.

With regard to myself, I wish to also devotedly serve the Holy Church of God in the future through a life dedicated to prayer.
Fascinating.  Gentlemen, you may start your conspiracy theories.  Wherefore art thou, St. Malachy?

In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis civitas septicollis diruetur, & Judex tremêdus judicabit populum suum. Finis.

La prossima domanda: chi e' papabile?

"Three names are most prominent: Cardinal Angelo Scola, the archbishop of Milan; Cardinal Marc Ouellet, prefect of the Congregation for Bishops; and Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco, archbishop of Genoa.

Cardinal Scola, 70, is highly esteemed by the pontiff, who moved him from the Patriarchate of Venice to Milan, one of the largest and most important sees in Europe. He is a brilliant, if at times recondite, theologian, a major supporter of the New Evangelization and a leader in Catholic-Islamic dialogue. His election could be hampered by internal divisions among the Italian cardinals.

Cardinal Ouellet, 68, is a Sulpician and served as archbishop of Quebec from 2002 to 2010 before taking over as head of the powerful Vatican office that oversees the appointment of the world’s bishops. Critics point to the lamentable state of the Church in Quebec during his tenure and wonder if he would be able to reinvigorate the faith in the West.

Cardinal Bagnasco, 69, is very well known among the Italian and European Cardinals and has a reputation for intellectual heft. He is also president of the influential Italian Bishops’ Conference."

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Blogger Nate February 11, 2013 7:20 AM  

***insert 700 word diatribe by Dread here***

Anonymous RedJack February 11, 2013 7:20 AM  

Either his health was so bad he wanted to go out with grace (some sort of brain degenerative condition), or he wanted to have a say in who follows him.

Or both.

It will be interesting to see who is the next Pope. And if it Peter the Roman....

Anonymous Outlaw X February 11, 2013 7:28 AM  

Brilliant move. Absolutely brilliant. He should have just done it now and not ahead of time. He knows and I know the prophecy.

Anonymous Outlaw X February 11, 2013 7:32 AM  

The News says. "There are several papal candidates waiting in the wings. What a joke, pay attention folks.

Blogger Markku February 11, 2013 7:35 AM  

Exit Benedict XVI, enter The False Prophet.

Anonymous The Great Martini February 11, 2013 7:35 AM  

God left him a pink slip. He wants a hipster pope with a side bag and iPod who knows Python.

Anonymous jay c February 11, 2013 7:38 AM  

4-19. Huh. I hadn't noticed that before.

Blogger Jamie-R February 11, 2013 7:39 AM  

Pope John Paul's funeral brought together the single largest gathering in history of heads of state outside the United Nations. Four kings, five queens, at least 70 presidents and prime ministers, and more than 14 leaders of other religions attended, alongside the faithful. It is likely to have been the largest single gathering of Christianity in history, with numbers estimated in excess of four million mourners gathering in Rome.

America is but a vessel in this wide game of faith.

Anonymous Outlaw X February 11, 2013 7:41 AM  

"It will be interesting to see who is the next Pope. And if it Peter the Roman...."


There is no such pope, you have been lied to, Peter the Roman was not even in the prophecy and was added in I believe the 1400's by the Olivetian order. The order is almost dead for a reason. There is no conspiracy here. They screwed up in 1960 (the Popes then and now until then but they know). Your time is up.

People think superstition I hope I live to see it.

Blogger Jamie-R February 11, 2013 7:41 AM  

Oh, but is it a beautiful vessel. Make no mistake.

Anonymous Orlok February 11, 2013 7:42 AM  

Lets see, America is in civil war (cold for now)(check)
Gun Registration/Confiscation (soon Check)
,Dollar crash ( impending ).
Last Pope per Malachy (impending ).
War pending in the Middle East and the Far East (check),
Year of the Serpent (check).
Seals being decimated.
Good being called evil, Evil being called good.(check)
Cats and Dogs living together (check)
Did i miss anything?

Anonymous zen0 February 11, 2013 7:47 AM  

Did i miss anything?

The Gamma Rabbit of the Apocalypse

Anonymous Cinco February 11, 2013 7:47 AM  

@Orlock

Black guy is POTUS
Women run the government

Anonymous Barsad February 11, 2013 7:49 AM  

The author of a book published last year called "Petrus Romanus: The Final Pope is Here" believed Pope Benedict would resign sometime around 2012. Interesting how he resigns not more than a month into the new year. The author also happens to believe it will herald the Pope that will reign during the tribulation.

Blogger Blackburn February 11, 2013 7:54 AM  

This is all to take attention away from the results of the Grammy's. If you want conspiracy you will find it there.

Blogger Jamie-R February 11, 2013 7:55 AM  

Ride.

I was born the son of a lawless man
Always spoke my mind with a gun
in my hand
Lived nine lives
Gunned down ten
Gonna ride like the wind

Accused and tried and told to hang
I was nowhere in sight when the
Church bells rang
Never was the kind to do as I
was told
Gonna ride like the wind before I
get old.

Anonymous Outlaw X February 11, 2013 7:56 AM  

" The author also happens to believe it will herald the Pope that will reign during the tribulation. "

Look I don't mean to be an ass, but rule over what? I been talking about this way before some Protestant book writer even thought about it.

Vox said let the conspiracies begin, I will but it isn't a conspiracy. The Devil just stepped into the cow shit.

Anonymous Fglsa February 11, 2013 8:11 AM  

I don't visit often enough to keep track of all the characters, so could someone summarize what exactly Outlaw X thinks is going to happen? Doe he actually believe the end-times are upon us? Is he going to hole up in his basement waiting for the Rapture? If so, please stop making fun of the rabbits on the other site, because thou art just as silly.

Anonymous RedJack February 11, 2013 8:19 AM  

Don't know about OX, but as a Lutheran, I view the "St Malachy" stuff with a bit of amusement.

Still, it makes for good Monday morning stuff.

Blogger Markku February 11, 2013 8:19 AM  

Outlaw X is formerly known as Equus Pallidus, and he has mental health issues. He has been banned several times just for being totally batshit crazy. This is not to say that end-times scenarios imply mental health issues (I believe in such a scenario too), only that you aren't picking the best example.

Anonymous Outlaw X February 11, 2013 8:20 AM  

someone summarize what exactly Outlaw X thinks

Wouldn't it be better to ask me? I dunno, maybe you should ask Dread. The question has been answered by me since 2001. Now you want someone to judge my character? Have they read all the prophecies? I have, or the ones approved by the RCC. They might know, but I do. Been waiting.

Everyone feel free to answer his question about what I know or don't.

Anonymous Outlaw X February 11, 2013 8:23 AM  

"he has mental health issues.", Now you are a mental health professional.

So did John The Baptist.

It is not the end or the world either.

Blogger Nate February 11, 2013 8:25 AM  

Explain what Outlaw X thinks is going to happen?

No.

No... that's not even remotely possible.

Look mate take someone with an IQ through the roof... and more education in a few key areas than anyone has any reason for...equal parts engineer and programmer... and put it in an old fart redneck with epic redneck tendencies... now imagine he's also a devout catholic and an avid researcher of catholic prophecy.

90% of the time no one has any idea what Outlaw X is talking about. We just appreciate the spectacle.

(no offense mate... my affection for you is widely known.)

Blogger Nate February 11, 2013 8:28 AM  

" He has been banned several times just for being totally batshit crazy. "

And reinstated and effectively given a Get Out of Jail Free card for smashing the Gay Mustachio on the air.

Anonymous HH February 11, 2013 8:30 AM  

Come on guys ... sometimes its exactly as stated .. the guy is 85 years old... The good is a precedent that Pope is not a for life position .. John Paul.. as great of a man as he was should have resigned due to health issues.

How many end of the world dates do we have to go thru anyway before some calls an audible "bullshit left, 2012 bullshit right ... hike"

Anonymous Oh, Snap! February 11, 2013 8:31 AM  

Obviously the Pope received a bullet-riddled mitre from Asymmetrical D.

Anonymous taterearl February 11, 2013 8:42 AM  

Guess I better book a flight to Rome if I want to see it as not a pile of rubble.

Enjoy the Decline!

Anonymous Roundtine February 11, 2013 8:45 AM  

I love how the MSM is all abuzz about a black pope. They literally have no idea how the Church operates.

Anonymous ZhukovG February 11, 2013 8:45 AM  

Personally I don't put too much stock in 'end times' predictions. Only two things matter to me in this regard:

1. Jesus will return.

2. The good guys win.

Everything else, no matter how exalted the scholar, is pretty much just entertainment.

If I had to guess, I don't think the credits are going to roll on this blockbuster for another 50 years or so.

Anonymous dB February 11, 2013 8:46 AM  

Perhaps I don't understand the inner workings of all things "popeness" but you would think they would want to elect a person who is in their 60s. How can you elect another guy in their 70s or older given that men typically live to their mid 70s on average. And we know that once you get older in years, all faculties decline to some extent. Seems to be that the pope wants out and wants to go fishing now. Best of luck dude.

On another note, I am just waiting for the feminists to step forward and say the pope should be a woman. What could possibly go wrong. Sarcasm now off.

Anonymous jack February 11, 2013 8:59 AM  

@Barsad
The link you want is below. The Raiders News Network. Horn and his associates have been on this for years. His book Petrus Romanus has been out for a time now. In it and on his forum he predicted the Pope would resign or mysteriously die in 2012 or 2013. He has another one [book] coming out soon. You can read the ex certs at the site. [up to 12 now I think] Believe as you wish. It makes some interesting reading; and, even diverting. Thats what we seek here is it not? Diversion. They have been consistent over there about a number of things Enjoy.

http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/

Anonymous Salt February 11, 2013 9:00 AM  

@ZhukovG

Big difference between prediction and prophesy.

Anonymous raggededge February 11, 2013 9:02 AM  

@dB: Perhaps I don't understand the inner workings of all things "popeness" but you would think they would want to elect a person who is in their 60s. How can you elect another guy in their 70s or older given that men typically live to their mid 70s on average.

They (Cardinals) don't want someone in for too long...otherwise they themselves might not get the opportunity to be the pontiff. Lot's of politics at the Holy See.

Blogger Markku February 11, 2013 9:04 AM  

They (Cardinals) don't want someone in for too long...otherwise they themselves might not get the opportunity to be the pontiff. Lot's of politics at the Holy See.

A Throne of Bones made this very point. 'Fess up! Did you steal it from there?

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 February 11, 2013 9:07 AM  

It must have been all those death threats sent by carrier pigeon to him...

Blogger LP 999/Eliza February 11, 2013 9:11 AM  

Given his recent speeches and age, a resignation isn't surprising. We certainly live in interesting times, imagine the vetting process the 3 or 4th unknown will endure. Of course, I don't know if there is a 4th unknown contender, I'm just doing the tepid flow of consciousness Monday a.m. thing.

Anonymous Krul February 11, 2013 9:12 AM  

Vox said let the conspiracies begin, I will but it isn't a conspiracy. The Devil just stepped into the cow shit.

What do you mean?

Anonymous Mr Green Man February 11, 2013 9:14 AM  

Maybe staring into the cauldron of unvarnished hate of Jesus Christ, the Catholic church, and Christianity in general that was his foray into Twitter sped this along?

Anonymous Outlaw X February 11, 2013 9:15 AM  

I just want to make one thing clear. Catolic prophecy does not say this is the rapture ((Which it teaches against pre-trib rapture). It does not say that these are end of the world time. It says it is end times. The Church is moving from the 5th period that started circa 1520 to the 6th period of the church. The seventh period as taught by prophecy is the end of the world, it is not even close. The 5th period was one of persecution and the 6th period is one of the perfecting and the last or 7th period is the second coming of Christ and the resurrection of the dead. We are about to enter what is called the minor tribulation, then a time of peace, then the major tribulation preceded by the Lord coming in the clouds.

If you got one of those bumper stickers that says "In case of rapture this car will be unmanned". That is not and never has been the Catholic faith the battle against the Anti-Christ must be waged by the saints. So if they were all raptured there would be no battle. That is not Catholic theology whether you believe it or not, just don't misrepresent it or confuse the prophecy with the Scofield Bible.

I don't care what anyone believes but take that "Petrus Romanus: The Final Pope Is Here", and stick it where the sun don't shine. Don't use a religion that one doesn't believe to make money off a bunch of false info.

Anonymous Mr Green Man February 11, 2013 9:17 AM  

Although a Ghannan Pope would be interesting, didn't the media go into the same tizzy last time around? "This will be the time! A black, female, amputee, atheist Muslim Pope!!!"

Anonymous dB February 11, 2013 9:17 AM  

@ raggededge

that is an interesting angle. so much for imitating the humility of christ for those that want to be pope.

Anonymous Anonymous February 11, 2013 9:17 AM  

Well. At least he isn't using the "wanting to spend more time with his family" excuse.

But I do wonder what Hillery has on him.

--Prof Hale

Anonymous bloody barbarian February 11, 2013 9:18 AM  

Oh, it's the End of the World, alright. You can add this to the checklist:

Maker’s Mark waters down its bourbon to meet rising demand

Heresy.

Nate -- seriously, WTF here? Aren't you pals with those guys?

Blogger Nate February 11, 2013 9:24 AM  

"Nate -- seriously, WTF here? Aren't you pals with those guys?"

You have no idea how furioius I am about this. I've talked to Rob about it... he is just as pissed as everyone else is. He didn't come out and say it... but the implication was it came down from Beam Inc and he was left no choice.

The whole Samuels family is furious about it.

Blogger Markku February 11, 2013 9:25 AM  

Nate is drinking watered-down bourbon, heh heh. It'll be blue drinks with umbrellas in no time.

Blogger Bruce Lewis February 11, 2013 9:25 AM  

A commenter on EWTN international Catholic radio just pointed out that the next pope might very well be a person who did not attend Vatican II.

I'm not sure how to react to this. On one hand, the prospect of a post-Conciliar pope is exciting. On the other, I can't help but wonder if this isn't the moment when God will forsake His Church, as He forsook His Son on the Cross, and will allow the Church to follow Her Savior into death, as predicted in prophecy.

I was blessed to be present at a papal audience with His Holiness in 2011, and I will always treasure the memory. God bless B16 and guide the Conclave in choosing his successor.

Anonymous Tad February 11, 2013 9:25 AM  

The Pope has lost much of his authority over catholics of the first world. They simply don't listen to dictates coming out of Vatican City any more. A perfect example is the issue of contraception. One suspects that the Catholic League here in the states got permission to oppose the contraception mandate of the Affordable Healthcare Act from Vatican City. This despite the fact that 98% of American Catholic women have used contraception.

How the Vatican and the Pope lost most of their moral authority over professed Catholics is likely a very interesting history. My bet is on silly pronouncements.

Anonymous Simulacron February 11, 2013 9:26 AM  

OT: Proof we are a simulation?

Anonymous Josh February 11, 2013 9:26 AM  

Yes, the makers news is heresy of a most egregious sort.

Anonymous raggededge February 11, 2013 9:27 AM  

@bloody barbarian:

This is what happens when corporate America gets involved with anything...it totally fucks it up. If MM was still a family run business, this would never have happened.

Anonymous The One February 11, 2013 9:27 AM  

Anyone else having problems commenting from iphone/ipad?

Anyone else have a dream last night about a giant fire and everyone running from it?

Anonymous Tad February 11, 2013 9:28 AM  

@Bloody

Oh, it's the End of the World, alright. You can add this to the checklist:

Maker’s Mark waters down its bourbon to meet rising demand

Heresy.

Nate -- seriously, WTF here? Aren't you pals with those guys?


Makers Mark might be something one uses to make a decent Manhattan or Old Fashioned. But no serious bourbon drinker (including Nate) reaches for Makers if they are in the mood to sip.

Anonymous Josh February 11, 2013 9:29 AM  

How the Vatican and the Pope lost most of their moral authority over professed Catholics is likely a very interesting history. My bet is on silly pronouncements.

Vatican 2

Anonymous The One February 11, 2013 9:30 AM  

Tad, what is your point? You might as well comment G-d has lost his authority over most Christians in the first world. How many of them are virgins on their wedding night?

Anonymous Josh February 11, 2013 9:31 AM  

This is what happens when corporate America gets involved with anything...it totally fucks it up. If MM was still a family run business, this would never have happened.

See also Walmart and Goldman Sachs.

Blogger Markku February 11, 2013 9:34 AM  

It's almost hilarious how obvious the correct answer is: To launch a campaign against Maker's Mark, trying to conjure the image of a diluted, watered-down nothing of a bourbon in people's minds. There's not only the pressure to change it back, but it also solves the underlying problem of excess demand.

Anonymous RedJack February 11, 2013 9:34 AM  

Commenting from my phone always sucks.

And most of my dreams about big fires start with seeing flights of B52's.

Tad,

You are missing something about the Catholic church (on paper at least). They really don't care what popular opinion is, they claim to hold to the truth. Contraception is the reason the West will not play a major role in a few years, because it will not be there. The future belongs to those who show up. Most of the Western nations chose not to.

Anonymous Raggededge February 11, 2013 9:34 AM  

See also Walmart and Goldman Sachs.

Oh and I'm under no illusion that Diageo isn't going to screw up my beloved George Dickel either.

Anonymous jack February 11, 2013 9:34 AM  

Makers Mark? I would be amazed if this were factual. I've been to the Makers Mark brewery a few times. They are fanatical about quality control and proud of their history. And consistent. It was only in the last few years they added a second formulation to their original and loved bourbon.
Meanwhile back to minor items in the news such as the upcoming [last Pope?] circus in Vatican City. The news folk will have a field day. With Obama ruling over America with an iron and unopposed hand I suspect, against all so called received wisdom, the world we be given a black pope. Sort of balances out the fulcrum across the Atlantic don't you think?

Anonymous 43rd Virginia Calalry February 11, 2013 9:35 AM  

After making a very stupid comment about Barack Obama's gun control ideas being a good start, Pope Benedict looked down and saw CHUCK NORRIS on his caller I.D.

Anonymous Daniel February 11, 2013 9:35 AM  

I'd like to know what Adolfo Nicolás has said...and what he has written in his secret file.

Blogger IM2L844 February 11, 2013 9:35 AM  

Interesting times, indeed. Regardless of ones predispositions toward the topic of prophecy, it must be admitted that it is at least interesting that there seems to be a confluence of otherwise heterogeneous prophecies across time and from around the globe just now.

Coincidence? Maybe. After all, however improbable, someone is going to be eaten by a shark, someone is going to be struck by lightning and someone is going to win the lottery, but all those things are interesting too.

Anonymous p-dawg February 11, 2013 9:36 AM  

So a different Satanist will wear a silly hat for a while? Meh, big deal.

Anonymous Outlaw X February 11, 2013 9:37 AM  

A commenter on EWTN international Catholic radio just pointed out that the next pope might very well be a person who did not attend Vatican II.

Yeah and they had Father Corapi.

The whole point of the third secret was about Vatican II, but let's see them come out and say it had anything to do with Fatima.

Anonymous FreshStep February 11, 2013 9:37 AM  

"But no serious bourbon drinker (including Nate) reaches for Makers if they are in the mood to sip." - Tard

Shut up, Tad.

Blogger Nate February 11, 2013 9:38 AM  

"Makers Mark? I would be amazed if this were factual."

Its true.

Remember Makers is actually owned by Beam, Inc. Thus... anything is possible.

Anonymous jack February 11, 2013 9:40 AM  

@Tad
But no serious bourbon drinker (including Nate) reaches for Makers if they are in the mood to sip.

Reach for the Wild Turkey! The good version not the crap most people buy.
Or, maybe, Knob Creek. Though, have to admit, get the Dickel 12 year [white label] for something nice and smooth and laid back. Course some might call Diclel, even the white, something of a pussy drink where bourbon is concerned. To those I say 'bah, humbug' as I sip away.

Anonymous Tad February 11, 2013 9:40 AM  

@The One

Tad, what is your point? You might as well comment G-d has lost his authority over most Christians in the first world. How many of them are virgins on their wedding night?

The point is that who occupies the position of Pope, whether an old worn out many or a slightly less old man, is of very little importance to the everyday lives of Catholics in the first world. I also think it very unlikely that the Church can do anything to stem the tide of dismissiveness with which the the Vatican's pronouncements on morality and daily living are held.

Blogger Nate February 11, 2013 9:40 AM  

""But no serious bourbon drinker (including Nate) reaches for Makers if they are in the mood to sip." - Tard"

Makers is fantastic bourbon. Bang for the buck? 46 is the best there is. Makers has always varied in proof by 1 or 2 bottle to bottle... so I can say this is the end of the world... but the very notion of it is offensive.

It was... Wild Turkey...or Jim Beam... it wouldn't matter. Hell Jack Daniels has done if 3 times since the 80s and no one even noticed. But this is Makers. This is a big damned deal.

Anonymous ZhukovG February 11, 2013 9:42 AM  

@ Salt

How true, and I'll leave it at that.

Besides, in spite of the 'Left Behind' series I have very warm regards for Tim LaHaye.

Anonymous Tad February 11, 2013 9:42 AM  

@Jack

Reach for the Wild Turkey! The good version not the crap most people buy.
Or, maybe, Knob Creek. Though, have to admit, get the Dickel 12 year [white label] for something nice and smooth and laid back. Course some might call Diclel, even the white, something of a pussy drink where bourbon is concerned. To those I say 'bah, humbug' as I sip away.


The Makers news just doesn't matter. There are so many really wonderful and carefully made artisan whiskeys on the market today that borboun, whiskey, and rye drinkers find themselves living in the golden age of brown spirits.

Anonymous Josh February 11, 2013 9:44 AM  

With Obama ruling over America with an iron and unopposed hand I suspect, against all so called received wisdom, the world we be given a black pope. Sort of balances out the fulcrum across the Atlantic don't you think?

There already is a black pope.

Blogger Markku February 11, 2013 9:45 AM  

The Makers news just doesn't matter. There are so many really wonderful and carefully made artisan whiskeys on the market today that borboun, whiskey, and rye drinkers find themselves living in the golden age of brown spirits.

Seems like exactly the reason to start putting out a bad word out there for anyone who is passionate on the issue. There are alternatives to drink in the meanwhile. I remember that there was at least one Islay Scotch that was saved this way.

Anonymous Tad February 11, 2013 9:46 AM  

@Redjack

Contraception is the reason the West will not play a major role in a few years,

Not only will the West play a role in the next few years, It will continue to play the major role, despite the sensible use of contraception and despite the regular silliness that oozes out of the Vatican.

Anonymous jack February 11, 2013 9:47 AM  

@Nate
Remember Makers is actually owned by Beam, Inc. Thus... anything is possible.

Yeah, you're right. I forgot about that. Hmmmm....

Some years ago I was on assignment at the Jim Beam brewery. The occasion was to announce the cask opening of Knob Creek after a half year of more hiatus. Seems one of the workers pressed the wrong key on a computer and dumped 10,000 gallons of Knob Creek literary into the creek. Those fish mush have loved it. So, there was a shortage. Bout the only place you could buy any during that time was at the brewery. Reason: they did not want to shortchange the 7 year aging period for the new batch. Even by 6 months. I was there for 3 days and we were basically encouraged to drink all we wanted. I was even gifted with a really large bottle of the Knob as we left. I was not a bourbon drinker until that experience. Just never had had any decent stuff. Now I am. Sad isn't it, how we frail humans can fall from grace.

Anonymous VryeDenker February 11, 2013 9:47 AM  

Black pope, as in African pope. Obviously.

Anonymous AXCrom February 11, 2013 9:48 AM  

Nate, why haven't you opened your own distillery? Surely it's crossed your mind, you have been writing about bourbon for nearly a decade by my count.

Anonymous Lulabelle February 11, 2013 9:49 AM  

"It was... Wild Turkey...or Jim Beam... it wouldn't matter. Hell Jack Daniels has done if 3 times since the 80s and no one even noticed. But this is Makers. This is a big damned deal."

It sure is. I can't figure out why they think this is a good idea.
They've lost their ever-lovin' minds.

Anonymous Vidad February 11, 2013 9:58 AM  

Josh: "There already is a black pope."

Yep. And not because he's racially black.

Who do you think is the mysterious all-powerful head of Freemasonry? It's just another false front for Vatican tentacles to hide behind.

Anonymous Tad February 11, 2013 9:58 AM  

@Nate

Makers is fantastic bourbon. Bang for the buck? 46 is the best there is. Makers has always varied in proof by 1 or 2 bottle to bottle... so I can say this is the end of the world... but the very notion of it is offensive.

Come on, Nate. Makers is average bourbon. Serviceable, easy to find on a shelf or in a bar. But "fantastic". Not really, not compared to the numerous really GREAT bourbons out there. And I know you know this.

Anonymous Vidad February 11, 2013 10:02 AM  

On whiskey: my new favorite is Woodford Reserve.

Knob Creek is also delicious.

If I'm buying something inexpensive, I go with Beam. It slightly beats Jack, in my opinion. And, of course, it's cheaper.

Anonymous The One February 11, 2013 10:04 AM  

@Tad

Yes, the path is narrow. I doubt 1.2 billion Catholics are really going to heaven.

Also I find it interesting you think the West will continue to play a major role in the world, while you deride the silliness of an intuition that was the backbone of the West for centuries.

Anonymous Josh February 11, 2013 10:04 AM  

Who do you think is the mysterious all-powerful head of Freemasonry? It's just another false front for Vatican tentacles to hide behind.

How do we know they're not all just run by the Joos?

Blogger Beefy Levinson February 11, 2013 10:06 AM  

When he passes on to his eternal reward, he'll deserve to be remembered as "Benedict the Great" just for writing the Emancipation Proclamation for the Traditional Latin Mass.

Anonymous Tad February 11, 2013 10:07 AM  

@The one

@Tad

Yes, the path is narrow. I doubt 1.2 billion Catholics are really going to heaven.

Also I find it interesting you think the West will continue to play a major role in the world


I rather doubt anyone is going to heaven. And as for the West, you can be guaranteed the West will play a huge if not dominant role in economic, military and world political affairs for he forseeable future.

Blogger Nate February 11, 2013 10:08 AM  

Tad
I don't know this at all. It is not average whiskey by any stretch. Wild Turkey 101 is average whiskey. Jim Beam is average Whiskey.

Makers Mark is at least 1 SD above either.

Anonymous Raggededge February 11, 2013 10:08 AM  

@Vivad: If I'm buying something inexpensive, I go with Beam. It slightly beats Jack, in my opinion. And, of course, it's cheaper.

Try some Dickel No. 12, it's around $18 a bottle and it's fantastic.

Blogger Nate February 11, 2013 10:10 AM  

"
It sure is. I can't figure out why they think this is a good idea.
They've lost their ever-lovin' minds."

There is a real shortage of Makers. They honestly cannot meet the demand. It was this or raise the price. They didn't like either option but decided if they could do this without compromising the taste... that was acceptable.

I put Bill's statement up on my blog for anyone interested.

Anonymous The One February 11, 2013 10:11 AM  

@Tad

Russia plays a role in the world today, but compared to precollapse, the role is much smaller. Sure the West will continue to play a role, but if you think it will dominant after the collapse you are a fool. Of course you don't believe there will be a collapse so I guess time will tell who is right.

Anonymous Josh February 11, 2013 10:13 AM  

"Alabama Whiskey" could be an entirely new market segment though.

Blogger Nate February 11, 2013 10:14 AM  

"Russia plays a role in the world today, but compared to precollapse, the role is much smaller."

Wrong.

Russia is the most powerful country in the world.

People just don't realize it yet.

Anonymous The One February 11, 2013 10:14 AM  

Anyone have good sites discussing this prophecy in detail?

Anonymous The One February 11, 2013 10:16 AM  

Not sure how less nuclear weapons and a still declining population=most powerful Nate.
Maybe you meant most sexy women country in the world.

Anonymous Curlytop February 11, 2013 10:16 AM  

Another Monday morning quality thread. Is there anywhere else on the net, that one can read about the quality issues concerning the Bourbon industry in the same conversation dealing with the Pope's resignation and I might add: draw a parallel btw the two topics?

@Nate

By how much were they going to have to raise the price? OR is that answered in Bill's statement? I'll send Hubby the link to your blog. He'll be interested in reading that statement.

Anonymous Curlytop February 11, 2013 10:19 AM  

"Russia is the most powerful country in the world.

People just don't realize it yet." ~Nate


Only bc they aren't paying attention.

Blogger Nate February 11, 2013 10:22 AM  

"By how much were they going to have to raise the price? OR is that answered in Bill's statement? I'll send Hubby the link to your blog. He'll be interested in reading that statement."

Bill didn't say.. but the inside talk is quite a bit. Their niche has always been amazing tasting bourbon at a great price point. They didn't want to compromise taste... and they didn't want to compromise price.

Their position is... the taste is the same... so they didn't compromise.

I will reserve judgement until I taste it.

I have a bottle or 6 to compare it to.

Anonymous The One February 11, 2013 10:22 AM  

Tick Tock Tad tick tock

Anonymous Krul February 11, 2013 10:22 AM  

Wrong.

Russia is the most powerful country in the world.

People just don't realize it yet.


You are such a tease.

When are you going to post about this on your blog?

Blogger Nate February 11, 2013 10:23 AM  

"No....there will be no collapse. This is a fairy tale passed along by those hoping, wishing and desiring for a collapse so much that they have left their senses."

Tad... we don't DESIRE a collapse. Believe it or not most folks here are sane.

We'd much prefer to live in boring times than interesting ones.

Blogger Nate February 11, 2013 10:24 AM  

"You are such a tease.

When are you going to post about this on your blog?"

Do I need to? Is it really not entirely obvious???

Anonymous Conservative Language Institue of America February 11, 2013 10:24 AM  

Christ... now we are at the next great inflection point of History.

Anonymous taterearl February 11, 2013 10:25 AM  

"Russia is the most powerful country in the world.

People just don't realize it yet."

Russia is the only country with a leader that seems to embody masculine traits.

America has a grown boy who wears mom jeans.

Anonymous The One February 11, 2013 10:27 AM  

What is NAte's blog address?

Blogger Nate February 11, 2013 10:29 AM  

bloggerblaster.blogspot.com

see Vox's blog roll?

I'm the top of it.

Pretty much always have been.

Anonymous Josh February 11, 2013 10:29 AM  

Russia has Putin, who is the most badass world leader in quite a long time.

Anonymous The One February 11, 2013 10:29 AM  

~Six weeks after the Mayan's saying we moved into a new age. Does anyone know (Outlaw?) if there are any Pope's who match Peter the Roman description?

Anonymous The One February 11, 2013 10:29 AM  

Thanks Nate

Anonymous Gx1080 February 11, 2013 10:31 AM  

Hey, we were promised only 5 comments of the Tard.

On the subject, Benedict XVI is one of the oldest popes elected, and he's losing the capability to walk. He simply cannot handle it, and, more importantly, he admited it because it's the best for the Church.

The petty comments of the atheists and other Leftoids, that will always despise Christianity since it gives men the strength to stand against their tyranny, simply cannot hurt the Church.

Anonymous RedJack February 11, 2013 10:33 AM  

Woodford, Stagg, Heaven Hills, Hudson, Blanton's, Pappy Van Winkle 23, Four Roses....These are all head and shoulders above Makers. Now I'll give you "Makers 46". Stellar Drink. But the regular Makers....I'm sorry...it's average.

There is some local stuff that is better than Makers, and a few that can hold their own with some of the others, but I think Tad is right on the bourbon stuff.

One the decline, no so much. I don't expect an over night collapse (though that could happen), but a slow decline. The West is getting old, and that means that the focus will change. Instead of expansion, it will be decline and retrenchment. The next real leaders haven't emerged yet, but I think Brazil might be a good contender.

Anonymous rienzi February 11, 2013 10:34 AM  

@ TAD: I rather doubt anyone is going to heaven.


You must have been absent from school on the day they studied Pascal's Wager.

Anonymous Roundtine February 11, 2013 10:37 AM  

The Catholic Church uses informal term limits. Still elect some duds every now and then, but they leave office soon enough and sometimes the offending popes are dug up and put on trial posthumously.

Russia is not only powerful, it is rising. Watch to see how the Orthodox and Catholic Churches interact and if there are any breakthroughs (which would appear insignificant to most observes and only get covered in religious press). If Putin wants to really extend Russian influence into Europe, he will do it through religion.

Anonymous Krul February 11, 2013 10:38 AM  

Do I need to?
Of course. The whole reason I visit blogs is to have other people do my situational awareness and logical analysis work for me.

Anonymous CLK February 11, 2013 10:38 AM  

"Personally I don't put too much stock in 'end times' predictions. Only two things matter to me in this regard:
1. Jesus will return.
2. The good guys win.
Everything else, no matter how exalted the scholar, is pretty much just entertainment."

Jesus did return but because he was born in Palestine he was killed in an Israeli airstrike.

Jesus did return but because his mother was a unwed woman and she lived in the US he was aborted.

Jesus did return but he was killed in his mothers womb when she was shot during a drive by shooting.

Jesus was born but died shorted after birth due to the aids he contracted from his mother because she couldn't afford the drugs required to prevent him getting the disease.

Jesus was born but he was killed while sitting in his classroom by a crazy man with an assault rifle.

Jesus was born but died of exposure living on the street homeless because he was released form his state mental hospital so that a tax cutt could be give to the rich.

Jesus was born but ......

... Good guys win ??? .. if by that you mean not get the good looking women, not make any money, live in small house, no healthcare and die prematurely of cancer ... sure I guess the good guys win...

Jesus may return someday... and when he finally succeeds in making it to adulthood he will be pissed.. and not at just the so called "bad guys"

Anonymous paradox February 11, 2013 10:39 AM  

Outlaw X

Brilliant move. Absolutely brilliant. He should have just done it now and not ahead of time. He knows and I know the prophecy.


I think this is what Outlaw is talking about. Part anti-democracy, pro-monarchy with a little Lord of the Rings thrown in.

I want to know what Outlaw will do when the new pope says turn your firearms in.

Anonymous taterearl February 11, 2013 10:42 AM  

The gates of Hell won't prevail over the Church...but that doesn't mean it's not going to try.

Blogger JDC February 11, 2013 10:43 AM  

This is a big deal...I personally await with great interest how things will play out. Perhaps now is the appropriate time for Outlaw to chant the dies irae for us...

Anonymous DonReynolds February 11, 2013 10:45 AM  

He He. Yahoo Slate...seems to think we will now have an Afrikan Pope. Hey, the US elected a Negro President. Now all the good Liberal Roman Catholics can be happy to have a black Holy See....another First in History! (I simply cannot stop laughing.)

Blogger IM2L844 February 11, 2013 10:51 AM  

Russia is the most powerful country in the world.

People just don't realize it yet.


It's interesting to note that now there are Russians warning Americans that we are clearly, from their unique perspective, heading down the path toward Communism. Seems absurd to someone who remembers the Cold War and the Red Menace school drills, but there it is.

OpenID herenvardo February 11, 2013 10:52 AM  

I'd love to see Ghanaian Cdl get it, just for the spectacle of a black man saying things that sends the Times or the Guardian (or the NY Times) into apoplexy, all the while being unwilling to say anything against a black man, 'cos that'd be RRAAAAAAACCIISSSSS!

Anonymous Josh February 11, 2013 10:52 AM  

We need a transgendered bisexual latino-Arab-African-Asian pope with a disability.

Unless you want to be considered a racist.

Anonymous Daniel February 11, 2013 10:54 AM  

CLK, so...Jesus came back as the child of a liberation theologian? How odd. Either that or he mistook his second mom's womb for a cloud that demonstrated his power and great glory. Your ability to read the Bible is...creative.

Anonymous Fred February 11, 2013 10:55 AM  

taterearl over the Catholic church hell has already prevailed. The Catholic church in many ways is no different than any other contemporary cult. Mary worship, confession, trans-substantiation, bowing the knee to idols, Pope veneration are simple outcroppings of a rotten core, a core faith that is not based on faith alone in Jesus Christ. In the end only those that have trusted Christ for salvation will be saved. John 3:16 is the good news. John 3:18 is the bad news, for Catholics. Sola Scriptura.

Anonymous DonReynolds February 11, 2013 10:57 AM  

Nate...."I would never call anything Bourbon that wasn't made in Kentucky. And I live in Alabama."

Since you live in Alabama, maybe you don't know that Bourbon County Kentucky is dry as a bone and Christian County Kentucky sells more liquor than Scotland. Yes, the Christian County I was born in is very very wet.

Besides, they know a bit about whiskey in Tennessee. Have yourself a Jack Daniels (or George Dickle) and say that ain't good corn. Tennessee whiskey is a unique beverage and uses a process unique to Tennessee.

Anonymous Daniel February 11, 2013 10:58 AM  

I'm pretty sure this resignation was just because he woke up really hungry and mentioned how he had a hankering for hollandaise. His scribe misunderstood and ordered up a "mess of ex-benedict."

Anonymous Roundtine February 11, 2013 11:00 AM  

all the while being unwilling to say anything against a black man, 'cos that'd be RRAAAAAAACCIISSSSS!

No, see press coverage of Catholic/Anglican Uganda. Gay is the new black. But yes, it would be funny in that even if an African were chosen, he would be extremely conservative. Then we could be treated to several years of liberals slamming an African pope and conservatives calling them racist, and no one else caring.

Anonymous The One February 11, 2013 11:01 AM  

Fred, trans-substantiation was there from the beginning. Maybe you ought to consult wikipedia before starting your attacks.

The belief that the Eucharist conveyed to the believer the body and blood of Christ appears to have been widespread from an early date, and the elements were commonly referred to as the body and the blood by early Christian writers. The early Christians who use these terms also speak of it as the flesh and blood of Christ, the same flesh and blood which suffered and died on the cross.

The short document known as the Teaching of the Apostles or Didache, which may be the earliest Christian document outside of the New Testament to speak of the Eucharist, says, "Let no one eat or drink of the Eucharist with you except those who have been baptized in the Name of the Lord,"[14] for it was in reference to this that the Lord said, "Do not give that which is holy to dogs." Matthew 7:6

A letter by Saint Ignatius of Antioch to the Romans, written in AD 106 says: "I desire the bread of GOD, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ."[15]

Writing to the Christians of Smyrna, in about AD 106, Saint Ignatius warned them to "stand aloof from such heretics", because, among other reasons, "they abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again."[16]

In about 150, Justin Martyr wrote of the Eucharist: "Not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Savior, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh."[17]

Justin Martyr wrote, in Dialogue with Trypho, ch 70: "Now it is evident, that in this prophecy to the bread which our Christ gave us to eat, in remembrance of His being made flesh for the sake of His believers, for whom also He suffered; and to the cup which He gave us to drink, in remembrance of His own blood, with giving of thanks."

In about 200 AD, Tertullian wrote (Against Marcion IV. 40): "Taking bread and distributing it to his disciples he made it his own body by saying, 'This is my body,' that is a 'figure of my body.' On the other hand, there would not have been a figure unless there was a true body."

Anonymous Outlaw X February 11, 2013 11:02 AM  

"I want to know what Outlaw will do when the new pope says turn your firearms in."

I want to know what you are going to do when Obama says to turn you firearms in, because the pope don't give a damn. You people try to make the pope an all powerful might when he is just a figure head of the Vatican State. I'll tell him to piss off if he ever did, but he won't. Now what are you going to do if your preacher tells you to turn in your fire arms? Or do you have a denomination? The only one that could ever speak to me directly and tell me I should turn in my fire arms is my parish priest and he ain't going to do it and even if he did I would tell him to piss off.

What is it with you people that think Catholic laity or porch Masons are friking damn robots?

Anonymous taterearl February 11, 2013 11:08 AM  

"Mary worship, confession, trans-substantiation, bowing the knee to idols"


“There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”
-Bishop Fulton Sheen

I have yet to hear that Mary is my Savior.

Anonymous jack February 11, 2013 11:12 AM  

A question:

I know that when a Pope dies his ring is destroyed. When one resigns does he keep his ring or is it destroyed when he steps down?

Anonymous Daniel February 11, 2013 11:14 AM  

I find appeals to sola scriptura to be interesting, considering that most who do so are Trinitarians, yet the Trinity is not an explicit doctrine taught in scripture, nor a necessity for salvation. If sola scriptura is really meant to return to the plain meaning and teaching of scriptures, why all the extra theology that came later?

I'm not, by the way, suggesting that one cannot possibly come to a Trinitarian concept from reading scripture. Only that nowhere is a belief in a Trinity necessary to a belief in Jesus, Son of God, Savior of the World.

Incidentally, I find appeals to transubstantiation to be equally curious.

Unsurprisingly, I discuss religious matters among the earnest Lutheran, Catholic, Calvinist, atheist, etc. infrequently. It appears to cause...stress.

Anonymous Raggededge February 11, 2013 11:15 AM  

@DonReynolds:
Besides, they know a bit about whiskey in Tennessee. Have yourself a Jack Daniels (or George Dickle) and say that ain't good corn. Tennessee whiskey is a unique beverage and uses a process unique to Tennessee.


Are you seriously lecturing Nate about Whiskey? And, Jack Daniels is piss. Now, George Dickel on the other hand, is fine Tennessee Whisky.

Anonymous Daniel February 11, 2013 11:15 AM  

OT: Whoa, got off track. Realized a second late that this isn't really a theology thread. Apologies.

Anonymous Josh February 11, 2013 11:16 AM  

Sola Scriptura.

Where in the scriptures does it essay sola scriptura?

Sola scriptura isn't sola scriptura.

Anonymous Josh February 11, 2013 11:18 AM  

Are we seriously about to witness a Jack Daniels vs George Dickel flame war?

Anonymous The One February 11, 2013 11:19 AM  

Daniel, I'm pretty sure theology is closer to being on topic, than whiskey in a thread about the Pope.

And sola scriptura is pointless because every book need an interpreter.

Anonymous Daniel February 11, 2013 11:21 AM  

I know that when a Pope dies his ring is destroyed. When one resigns does he keep his ring or is it destroyed when he steps down?

In the case of a retirement, it is typically given to a beloved, if diminutive nephew for safe keeping until which time he can travel to the cracks of Mt. Vesuvius and toss it in, thereby breaking the power of the Black Pope who forged it.

Seriously, however, I believe the destroying of the ring went out with Vatican II, coincidentally or not, I don't know.

Anonymous raggededge February 11, 2013 11:21 AM  

@Josh: Are we seriously about to witness a Jack Daniels vs George Dickel flame war?

Some things are worth fighting for, surely.

Anonymous Daniel February 11, 2013 11:22 AM  

Whiskey is never off topic.

Anonymous Daniel February 11, 2013 11:23 AM  

Besides, Templeton Rye smokes them all.

Anonymous Outlaw X February 11, 2013 11:23 AM  

OT: Whoa, got off track. Realized a second late that this isn't really a theology thread. Apologies.

That's right this is a conspiracy thread/ prophecy about the last pope. Most people never listened to me before and I don't expert them to listen now. You believe what ever you want, but I want to make sure I make it clear that the RCC even with prophecy does not believe that Christ is coming in the clouds because the pope decided to resign. However I think it a brilliant move considering the prophecy. It can be changed and I believe just has been, but he can't stop the minor tribulation, however can save the Church.

Blogger Rhology February 11, 2013 11:26 AM  

Laris Sebastius for Sanctiff!

Blogger Nate February 11, 2013 11:28 AM  

"Daniel, I'm pretty sure theology is closer to being on topic, than whiskey in a thread about the Pope. "

Whiskey, Firearms, and the NFL are never off topic.

Blogger Nate February 11, 2013 11:30 AM  

"Since you live in Alabama, maybe you don't know that Bourbon County Kentucky is dry as a bone and Christian County Kentucky sells more liquor than Scotland. Yes, the Christian County I was born in is very very wet.

Besides, they know a bit about whiskey in Tennessee. Have yourself a Jack Daniels (or George Dickle) and say that ain't good corn. Tennessee whiskey is a unique beverage and uses a process unique to Tennessee."

/facepalm

I was born in Kentucky Don. And as for that black label swill you call liquor... It ain't fit for man nor beast.

I wouldn't give the dog Jack Daniels. And dickel? please.

Anonymous Porky? February 11, 2013 11:30 AM  

My guess is he was going to speak out on the latest homo kid-diddler priest episode in California and needed to be silenced.

Anonymous The One February 11, 2013 11:30 AM  

Outlaw, next pope is suppose to be the antichrist or a good pope leading the church throguh trial. I keep reading both online.

Anonymous Roundtine February 11, 2013 11:31 AM  

On whisky, I can confidently state that you don't ever want to drink Ezra Brooks. Mixing it with Coke will not solve your problem.

Anonymous The One February 11, 2013 11:31 AM  

here guys

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2135353/pg1

Blogger Nate February 11, 2013 11:31 AM  

"Of course. The whole reason I visit blogs is to have other people do my situational awareness and logical analysis work for me."

...

well...

That's a sensible policy I suppose.

Ok then.

Anonymous Vidad February 11, 2013 11:33 AM  

My bet for new pope: Turbo Timmy Geithner.

Anonymous raggededge February 11, 2013 11:35 AM  

@Nate: And dickel? please.

Philistine.

Anonymous CLK February 11, 2013 11:36 AM  

"CLK, so...Jesus came back as the child of a liberation theologian? How odd. Either that or he mistook his second mom's womb for a cloud that demonstrated his power and great glory. Your ability to read the Bible is...creative."

So your reading is that he will return on a large bus with a sign that says "Jesus Saves" ...

Do you believe that God is limited to what man writes in the Bible? Inspired or not the Bible is our book, not his ... he will return in any manner that he desires. Neither you or I will know when or where but I confident when he does get here is that he will be pissed on what man has done supposedly in his name based on the reading of the Bible...

Anonymous Outlaw X February 11, 2013 11:41 AM  

Outlaw, next pope is suppose to be the antichrist or a good pope leading the church throguh trial. I keep reading both online.

I can assure you the "next" pope will not be the Anti-Christ. Show me his army, show me his power? You are being misled by a bunch of liars that really want you. The real people who trade in souls are the money changers. They are not really interested in your bank account they want your soul.

Blogger Markku February 11, 2013 11:42 AM  

I can assure you the "next" pope will not be the Anti-Christ.

The False Prophet is much more likely.

Anonymous Josh February 11, 2013 11:43 AM  

So...McRapey decides to take ten days off the internet...then the pope resigns...

Not to mention the South park episode wherein it is revealed that the first pope was actually a bunny...

Gamma Rabbit is making a run at the papacy, y'all!

Anonymous Stilicho February 11, 2013 11:50 AM  

it is typically given to a beloved, if diminutive nephew for safe keeping until which time he can travel to the cracks of Mt. Vesuvius and toss it in

Does Wheeler follow him muttering about his "precious"?

Anonymous Lulabelle February 11, 2013 11:52 AM  

"Gamma Rabbit is making a run at the papacy, y'all!"

Do you think it was the robes that lured him in? Or the fancy hat?

Blogger Markku February 11, 2013 11:53 AM  

Papa Fabulous I

Anonymous Daniel February 11, 2013 11:56 AM  

Do you believe that God is limited to what man writes in the Bible?

No. But I'm also fairly confident that He's made it clear that He doesn't intend for his Son to be anonymously aborted in a drive-by shooting. Nor is He limited to what you write about Him on a blog comment.

Anonymous The One February 11, 2013 11:56 AM  

False prophet, nice Markku.

Keep reading about edgar cayce predicting the end of the popes too, but can't find that exact reading.

Anonymous Josh February 11, 2013 11:56 AM  

Do you think it was the robes that lured him in? Or the fancy hat?

Access to altar boys, duh

Anonymous Outlaw X February 11, 2013 11:57 AM  

"The False Prophet is much more likely."

You called me bat shit crazy, now you are talking about some false prophet, yet you can't name him. I will tell you that you will not live to see him, neither did the Nazi's (Fascists), Soviets, Maoist or any other pretend Marxist. The false prophet won't come from a nation or religion he will come from the sky. I don't understand you people. And I can't understand why you can't see it.

If I am Bat shit crazy you are in real trouble. You really need to think about what you say about your fellow man, before you are even thinking about it or consider it.

I'll leave out the insults.

Blogger Markku February 11, 2013 11:59 AM  

I knew you'd say that, which is exactly why I pre-empted you by saying "This is not to say that end-times scenarios imply mental health issues (I believe in such a scenario too)" in the original comment.

Anonymous The One February 11, 2013 12:02 PM  

Mental health issues, no guns for you two!

Anonymous The One February 11, 2013 12:03 PM  

Ok Outlaw, so you don't believe the next Pope is the last pope or you do?

Anonymous Josh February 11, 2013 12:03 PM  

What about Silvio as Pope? His holiness Bunga Bunga I.

Anonymous Lulabelle February 11, 2013 12:07 PM  

"Access to altar boys, duh"

lol. I dunno....given his penchant for pretty, purple fluffy things.....I think it could be a toss up. Boys or fashion.....boys or fashion.....

Anonymous Lulabelle February 11, 2013 12:08 PM  

"What about Silvio as Pope? His holiness Bunga Bunga I."


The Vatican would be a great place to throw a huge party.

Anonymous Outlaw X February 11, 2013 12:13 PM  

"Ok Outlaw, so you don't believe the next Pope is the last pope or you do?"

If the prophecy is correct, the confusion will counter the next pope, not that there will never be another pope, but it will seem that there will not be, however if the prophecy is right there will be amongst much confusion and a battle and it may be a long time before a new one is elected and this will be the sign of the 6th period of the Church and a minor tribulation greater than any war we saw during the 20th century or ever before.That's the prophecy. I may be a pope off, but don't think so.

Anonymous ZhukovG February 11, 2013 12:17 PM  

Nate,

Though it may be hard to guess, I am something of a fan of Russia. At the moment I would doubt they rate as the most powerful nation in the world. Though, they may well achieve that status in the near future.

Their ground forces are strong, the T90 MBT is a real beast.

Their air forces, though formidable are mostly Soviet era equipment. The new stuff is pretty good, particularly that new attack chopper.

Their navy is the weak link I believe, it just doesn't have what it takes to project real power beyond the old Soviet Union. The new Boomers are good though.

On the positive side the birthrate for native Russians has been improving and should surpass replacement this year.

I have high hopes for the Rodina, but they have a ways to go yet.

Anonymous Edjamacator February 11, 2013 12:18 PM  

Do you believe that God is limited to what man writes in the Bible? Inspired or not the Bible is our book, not his ... he will return in any manner that he desires.

Ummm...if the Bible is inspired and God used it to tell us in advance the manner in which he will come back, then it is not a limitation. It is a confirmation.

Anonymous The One February 11, 2013 12:23 PM  

@Outlaw- Where can I read about these periods of the church?

Blogger Nate February 11, 2013 12:36 PM  

"Nate,

Though it may be hard to guess, I am something of a fan of Russia. At the moment I would doubt they rate as the most powerful nation in the world. Though, they may well achieve that status in the near future."

Its about more than military might mate... though Russia is no slouch in that area.

Its about economic fundamentals.

Anonymous Outlaw X February 11, 2013 12:44 PM  

@Outlaw- Where can I read about these periods of the church?

From a scholar allowed into the Vatican archives named Desmond Birch, his book is call "Trials, Tribulations and the Anti-Christ, let me see if it is still available.

Yes it can still be bought used, I have two copies and will not relinquish either.

You can find it here by copy and paste into your browser.

http://www.amazon.com/Trial-Tribulation-Triumph-Before-Antichrist/dp/1882972732/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360604421&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=trials+tribulation+and+the+anit+christ

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein February 11, 2013 12:46 PM  

Nomination for the new Pope :

Christopher Dorner



Black (At last!!)

Secular (It's the new "religious")

Down wid popular culture (Will appeal to younger folks)

Vengeful (In a Samuel L. Jackson/Old Testament way)

Without SIN (Read his manifesto)

Anonymous Mr Green Man February 11, 2013 12:47 PM  

@Nate "Its about economic fundamentals."

Besides their petroleum, the acquisition of large quantities of gold just last week seems to buttress this idea pretty well. It sure looks like Czar Putin is no Convivial Boris.

Blogger Beefy Levinson February 11, 2013 12:48 PM  

Benedict has certainly set a high bar on things to give up for Lent, eh? Here's hoping Raymond Cardinal Burke gets elected as Pope Pius XIII.

Anonymous RINO February 11, 2013 12:51 PM  

Will the endless amount of BS that swirls around the Roman Catholic church ever end?

Anonymous Vidad February 11, 2013 12:58 PM  

Actually, this would be a really good time for His Beatitude Patriarch John X to take over everything and heal the schism.

Now there's a cool church.

Anonymous Gen. Kong February 11, 2013 1:00 PM  

The Great Martini:
God left him a pink slip. He wants a hipster pope with a side bag and iPod who knows Python.

Almost but not quite, unless this was a sort of code. The Cathedral and the god of this world (who it worships) wants a Black Muslim Transgendered Homosexual Feminist Screech-Orc hipster pope. Side bag and iPods are desirable but optional accessories.

Anonymous Gen. Kong February 11, 2013 1:03 PM  

Beefy Levinson:
Here's hoping Raymond Cardinal Burke gets elected as Pope Pius XIII.

Cardinal Mahoney just retired from his post-Cardinal community organizing. I'm sure he would be a suitable candidate for the squids who run the show.

Anonymous RC February 11, 2013 1:07 PM  

When did they water down Makers? Is the current inventory still the old formula?

Anonymous A Visitor February 11, 2013 1:11 PM  

@HH
Come on guys ... sometimes its exactly as stated .. the guy is 85 years old... The good is a precedent that Pope is not a for life position .. John Paul.. as great of a man as he was should have resigned due to health issues.

How many end of the world dates do we have to go thru anyway before some calls an audible "bullshit left, 2012 bullshit right ... hike"


Though I disagree with you on whether or not JP II should have resigned due to health issues, thanks for pointing out that this is exactly as it appears: Benedict XVI is stepping down due to failing health. There's no grand conspiracy at work.

@Tad
The Pope has lost much of his authority over catholics of the first world. They simply don't listen to dictates coming out of Vatican City any more. A perfect example is the issue of contraception. One suspects that the Catholic League here in the states got permission to oppose the contraception mandate of the Affordable Healthcare Act from Vatican City. This despite the fact that 98% of American Catholic women have used contraception.

How the Vatican and the Pope lost most of their moral authority over professed Catholics is likely a very interesting history. My bet is on silly pronouncements.


The 98% stat has been debunked.

The Pope is Christ's vicar on Earth, he's not Christ nor do we view him as such. That's a common misconception.

The Catholics of the First World choose to ignore the Church's teachings at their eternal peril. Furthermore, following the Church's teachings is difficult at times because it requires you to change your life in substantial ways. If people want to dismiss the Church's, which is led by the Pope, pronouncements on issues of theology, they may do so at their eternal peril. God gave us free will. We can use it to love Him or reject Him.

@The One

Yes, the path is narrow. I doubt 1.2 billion Catholics are really going to heaven. Agreed, 100%

@taterearl

America has a grown boy who wears mom jeans. Which celeb came out recently and said she found a decent boyfriend after looking in the Wrangler jeans section? She'd been looking in the skinny jeans dept.

Via the one @Fred

Fred, trans-substantiation was there from the beginning. Maybe you ought to consult wikipedia before starting your attacks.

Look at Paul's letters in the New Testament especially about what happens if you take the Eucharist in the state of mortal sin. It's in the Bible.

One last bit on misconceptions: we venerate Mary. We don't worship her. We worship God and God alone.

While I am sad to see Benedict XVI leave the seat, I am certain God will make sure our next Pope is a great one. What a great Easter this will be!

Anonymous Jack Amok February 11, 2013 1:19 PM  

Tad you moron, you use rye in a Manhattan, not bourbon.

See, this is what I get for ignoring my own rule and reading his posts. The barbarian probably thinks Mai Tai has pineapple juice and grenadine in it too.

Anonymous Outlaw X February 11, 2013 1:26 PM  

While I am sad to see Benedict XVI leave the seat, I am certain God will make sure our next Pope is a great one. What a great Easter this will be!

I think you are mistaken and hope you are right, but remember lent is coming. God I hope you are right.

Blogger IM2L844 February 11, 2013 1:26 PM  

Come on people. This is ripe for conspiratorial speculation. Is no one going to make a specious connection between the timing of this resignation and all the recent Vatican Bank controversy coupled with the fact that in a few days (February 23) there is due to be a change in the leadership at the Vatican Bank?

Follow the money! The more I drink, the clearer it all becomes.

Anonymous Josh February 11, 2013 1:27 PM  

What kind of retard puts Grenadine into a Mai Tai?

Anonymous Outlaw X February 11, 2013 1:39 PM  

Well you are decades late JP I.

De medietate Lunae
(of the half of the moon)

In Office from half moon to half moon and was killed I believe because he promised to clean the Vatican bank up. He was poisoned.

Blogger Mike LaRoche February 11, 2013 1:44 PM  

Gamma Rabbit is making a run at the papacy, y'all!
Pope Squee the First?

Blogger Laramie Hirsch February 11, 2013 1:49 PM  

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Anonymous The One February 11, 2013 1:49 PM  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

Watch that video on Muslim demographics. Won't matter who is Pope if the West keeps using BC.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch February 11, 2013 1:51 PM  

@ The One

Fisheaters.com is a great forum full of smart folks who know what they're talking about when it comes to this.

To direct you to a thread in particular, go Here

Anonymous The One February 11, 2013 1:59 PM  

Very good, thanks Laramie.

Anonymous Outlaw X February 11, 2013 2:05 PM  

You know even one of the laity can become pope, I don't want the job, but people don't know this.I figure it will be one of the laity that becomes the next when we have one an I figure he will be a warrior. He will defeat the enemy in the birch field country in Germany. Just a guess. He will have a limp on the left leg and will have a Mass said before the final battle. He will be about 40 years of age. the next pope or the one after, it will happen and he will lead the battle. Or Prophecy is wrong, and he will be fighting Muslims and Prussians. He will be a French man. Now if this turns out to be, better join the RCC. A French man?

Anonymous Jack Amok February 11, 2013 2:14 PM  

What kind of retard puts Grenadine into a Mai Tai?

Now Josh, to be fair I think it's more accurate to describe those folks as either ignorant or uncultured rather than retarded. Or like I said, barbarians.

There are many bartending books that carry abominations under the heading Mai Tai, and those with a poor education in the drinking arts could easily be led astray.

Sadly, I think we can blame Trader Vic and Donn Beach themselves for this deplorable condition. They kept their recipes so secret, most of their bartenders didn't even know what was in the drinks. So various sad imitations came to be.

Anonymous Tad February 11, 2013 2:32 PM  

@Visitor

The Catholics of the First World choose to ignore the Church's teachings at their eternal peril

Or due to their own common sense and smarts.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch February 11, 2013 2:36 PM  

Impressive that Vox knows about this little gem of information! I wonder if I'll hear of it in the major news.

Outlaw X said this:

Peter the Roman was not even in the prophecy and was added in I believe the 1400's by the Olivetian order. The order is almost dead for a reason. There is no conspiracy here. They screwed up in 1960 (the Popes then and now until then but they know).

Outlaw X is right here. And I think he speaks with some good authority, especially since he's read Desmond Birch's book. Good on ya, Outlaw X.

Yes, the "Peter the Roman" prophecy may be a sham. Like the Mayan prophecy that was silly. However, if it is correct, just because "Peter the Roman will nourish his sheep through many tribulations" --that does not mean that Peter the Roman is the bad guy. It means he's surrounded by bad guys, and he's trying to guide the Church in spite of all of the evil in the world. Time will tell if this prophecy is correct, or if it was just a fallacious insert.

The media would prefer a black pope to match Prez Obama, I imagine. Though the Church has had three African popes already, I suppose the media won't rest until one with sub-Saharan features sits in Peter's Chair. Even more if it will be a black American with communist tendencies.

However, a lot of us Traditional-minded Catholics are hoping that maybe Raymond Burke will be elected into the sacred office. He's awesome, and I know ya'll would love him.

@ Tad

Strange that I would agree with you, particularly on an issue like this. You said that The Pope has lost much of his authority over [C]atholics of the [F]irst [W]orld. They simply don't listen to dictates coming out of Vatican City anymore.

Tad, you bank your opinion on the idea that people do not care about all of the "silly pronouncements." If you are regarding all of the silliness that emanated from Vatican II, then we are on complete agreement. If you are talking about the Church's stance on abortion, contraception, and homosexuality (among other things), then we are on opposite sides of the line, once again.

@ Bruce Lewis
Post-conciliar pope? That would be something! I'm telling you, Burke for the WIN!

@ Vidad:

You're equating the Freemasons with the Vatican? Ha! They are the veritable enemies of the Church! And if you even become a Freemason, you are automatically excommunicated. Much attention and research has been drawn between Talmudic Jewery and Freemasonry, particularly by E. Michael Jones.

Read The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit for the win.

Follow good Catholic discussions (or just look me up) over at Fisheaters.

Anonymous Tad February 11, 2013 2:36 PM  

@Jack

Tad you moron, you use rye in a Manhattan, not bourbon.

Yes originally. However, things evolve. For example, go to Wisconsin, order an Old Fashioned, and you'll get it made with brandy and it will be, in fact, an Old Fashioned—though not to my taste.

Whiskey (though not scotch), vermouth and bitters, stirred (not shaken) with good, solid ice is a Manhattan. It will taste different with Rye or Bourbon or, say, Canadian Whiskey, but it will be a Manhattan. They only way this formula is NOT a Manhattan is if it is made with a Marachino cherry. In that case it is called an abomination.

Anonymous Josh February 11, 2013 2:49 PM  

I once had a Manhattan in Denver that had cinnamon in it. It was quite untraditional.

Of course, the king of all cocktails is the sidecar.

Anonymous The irReverend Idle Spectator February 11, 2013 2:55 PM  

The pope-al potentials are now 70, 69, and 68.

That means we are beginning to head into Baby Boomer territory.


Vatican III and free condoms for everyone!

Anonymous Jack Amok February 11, 2013 2:55 PM  

Yes originally. However, things evolve...It will taste different with Rye or Bourbon...

No Tad, if you change the ingredients, you change the drink. If it tastes different, it is a different drink and deserves a different name.

But then liberals always love subverting labels. The word "liberal" for instance. Someone expecting a Thomas Jefferson walks into Tad's bar and orders a "Liberal" and ends up with Henry Waxman or Nancy Pelosi. Nasty surprise.

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