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Tuesday, February 12, 2013

When rabbits rule

I find it remarkable that Orson Scott Card is not described as "a Mormon", "an award-winning writer" or even "a best-selling author", but merely as "an anti-gay writer":
DC Comics under fire for hiring anti-gay writer to pen Superman

Ender's Game author Orson Scott Card has called gay marriage 'the end of democracy' – and some comics fans want him fired.

Superman fans are up in arms at the decision of the publisher to appoint a noted anti-gay writer to pen the Man of Steel's latest adventures. Comic giant DC has commissioned Orson Scott Card, author of the award-winning and best-selling Ender's Game sci-fi series, to write for DC's Adventures of Superman series.
The fascinating thing about this is that Card isn't just any "best-selling" author.  Publisher's Weekly has him as the #1 best-selling author in science fiction, with Ender's Game outselling all other science fiction novels in 2012, and twice as many as the #2 novel, despite the fact that it was first published 18 years ago in 1994.
  1. Ender’s Game by Orson Scott Card. Tor. 100,387
  2. Ready Player One by Ernest Cline. Broadway. 50,593
  3. Star Wars: Darth Plagueis by James Luceno. Lucas Books. 31,543
  4. The Ultimate Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams. Del Rey. 27,220
  5. Star Wars: Apocalypse by Troy Denning. Lucas Books. 26,140
Apparently we are to believe that opposing gay marriage is a more notable and newsworthy accomplishment than being the most notable author in your genre for nearly two decades.  This is what happens when you give the Rabbit People their head.  They don't care about anything, literally anything, except making sure that everyone abides by the dictates of the warren.

Of course, Tor Books should be condemned in the strongest terms for harboring such a noted homophobe and bigot.  What can we conclude of the hateful bigotry of the Manager of Science Fiction at Tor, Patrick Nielsen Hayden, given that he continues to publish such a evil anti-gay writer?  Clearly Tor Books must do the right thing and immediately stop publishing Card's work and return all its publishing rights to the author lest it be tainted by its support of homophobia.

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Anonymous DrTorch February 12, 2013 1:04 PM  

I think the other question is, under fire by whom?

A couple of activists and a sympathetic journalist?

Most of these stories are completely fabricated, with the "outrage" being expressed by a rare few. If they're lucky they'll stir up some interest from people willing to click on a link to a petition. And even that fury won't last long.

Anonymous Stilicho February 12, 2013 1:08 PM  

The fact that Card's 18 year old classic sells as nearly many copies as the next three combined is a a sad testament to the state of science fiction today. And TWO of the top FIVE are Stars Wars knock offs? Heinlein wept.

Anonymous Josh February 12, 2013 1:08 PM  

And to prove their absolute lack of homophobia, all Tor authors must participate in a gay photo shoot or porn film.

Anonymous Josh February 12, 2013 1:10 PM  

"If this was a Holocaust denier or a white supremacist, there would be no question. Hiring that writer would be an embarrassment to your company. Well, Card is an embarrassment to your company, DC,"

Vox, how honored are you to have Orson Scott Card, join you as a fellow member of the RSHD club?

Anonymous Alexander February 12, 2013 1:10 PM  

What if they just did some sexy bookcover poses? Would that count?

Blogger Markku February 12, 2013 1:11 PM  

It'll be interesting to see if he gets paid not to write.

Anonymous Stilicho February 12, 2013 1:11 PM  

And to prove their absolute lack of homophobia, all Tor authors must participate in a gay photo shoot or porn film.

Well that explains those book covers

Anonymous Josh February 12, 2013 1:13 PM  

Also, when does McRapey decide to make Ender's Game the launching pad for his next work?

Anonymous VryeDenker February 12, 2013 1:13 PM  

Someone on this blog noted a couple of years ago that "anytime there is a puff of smoke around a conservative [politician or otherwise], there's usually a journalist furiously rubbing two sticks together at the source".

Blogger Baloo February 12, 2013 1:15 PM  

Good Goddle Mighty. Card's a Democrat, isn't he? Indeed, an annoying liberal in a lot of ways. But they do devour their own, as I believe you may have pointed out. I may have to link to this over at
http://ex-army.blogspot.com/
decidedly NOT a liberal/Democrat blog.

Anonymous bob k. mando February 12, 2013 1:17 PM  

wow.

i think that Publisher's Weekly report puts paid to the question of whether or not the genre of Sci-Fi is dying or not.
http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/bookselling/article/55458-big-names-dominated-bestsellers-in-2012.html

it's not even the fact that the genre is -21% in sales for 2012 that's concerning.

the single most significant problem is that, of the top 10 sales, ONLY ONE ( A Rising Thunder ) non-franchise title was actually published in 2012. and even Weber's book is the 13th in a series.

FOUR of the top ten spots are held by books that were published +10 ( Ender, Hitchhikers / Ultimate Hitch, Dune ) years ago.

i won't say that SciFi in unrecoverable but it would certainly appear that they run the men off.

amusing that 50 Shades is considered general adult fic rather than romance.

Anonymous rienzi February 12, 2013 1:18 PM  

Who the devil reads "Superman" comic books? Maybe the readership has changed over the years, but when I was younger it consisted of twelve year old dweeb losers. Gammas' to be.

I just hope that Mr. Card is getting paid a king's ransom for having his name associated with this silliness.

Anonymous VryeDenker February 12, 2013 1:18 PM  

Has self-flagellation ever even ONCE gotten a man laid?

Blogger Jehu February 12, 2013 1:19 PM  

The homosexuals are making my point for me, again and again.

Either homosexuality is illegal and at least mildly persecuted, or criticism of homosexuality will be de facto illegal and heavily persecuted. There is NO third option. Choose!

Anonymous Stilicho February 12, 2013 1:19 PM  

Or you might consider asking Vox to put a link on the blogroll to the right...

Anonymous JartStar February 12, 2013 1:20 PM  

Clearly Tor Books must do the right thing and immediately stop publishing Card's work and return all its publishing rights to the author lest it be tainted by its support of homophobia.

Comedy Gold.

Anonymous JartStar February 12, 2013 1:23 PM  

Vox you should add a plank to your platform for president that Tor books and authors will be banned from the SFWA until Orson Scott Card no longer publishes with them.

Anonymous bob k. mando February 12, 2013 1:26 PM  

but HEY, there's a bright spot!

Romance is up 35% over 2011.

and those numbers don't even account for 50 Shades titles.


meanwhile, Fantasy has deteriorated to the point where it's not even listed in the article ...

must need more wereseals.

Anonymous GHS February 12, 2013 1:29 PM  

>They don't care about anything, literally anything, except making sure that everyone abides by the dictates of the warren.

How appropriate, some of them are literally cows.

Blogger Giraffe February 12, 2013 1:31 PM  

Imagine if he was racist, sexist, and a dipshit too.

Anonymous bob k. mando February 12, 2013 1:40 PM  

somethings wrong with the PW criteria. according to Amazon, most of the top sellers in the combined Sci-Fi/Fantasy genre are fantasy. which only makes sense given the success of Martin and continuing sales of Tolkien.

Fantasy sales should have been broken out or combined with SF.

Anonymous Porky February 12, 2013 1:47 PM  

"Gay marriage is NOT the end of democracy. And if anybody says otherwise we will silence your dissent!"

Lol!




Anonymous bob k. mando February 12, 2013 1:49 PM  

*snort*

reading the article, this is the tag under the picture:
"In a letter to to publisher, actor Michael Hartney wrote: 'Card is an embarrassment to your company, DC.' Photograph: Reuters"


so, who is the 'actor' Michael Hartney? looks like pretty much nobody.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3615748/

so, you've got the best selling SF author of 2012 being insulted by ... who ... again?

Anonymous Randy M February 12, 2013 1:55 PM  

I love this: "Superman fans are up in arms at the decision of the publisher to appoint a noted anti-gay writer to pen the Man of Steel's latest adventures."

Stated as if every Superman fan everywhere is just apalled at the notion.

Anonymous Randy M February 12, 2013 1:57 PM  

Markku February 12, 2013 1:11 PM "It'll be interesting to see if he gets paid not to write."

Doubtful. Book-not-buyers aren't that lucrative of a market.

Anonymous Daniel February 12, 2013 1:58 PM  

Stilicho -

The fact that Card's 18 year old classic sells as nearly many copies as the next three combined is a a sad testament to the state of science fiction today. And TWO of the top FIVE are Stars Wars knock offs? Heinlein wept.

Star Wars and Star Trek books (or Gor books, or whatever) and other such pulps have always populated some of the slots in bestsellers. What's the problem is on the other end - the ceiling. I could be nuts, but I seem to remember that John Steinbeck got beat for a World Fantasy Award back in the 70s.

Now, knock-offs of Heinlein and Piper are what pass for the big innovators. Despite his lack of efficiency and mid-range depth, Neil Gaiman is clearly the big daddy of science fiction as a genre, and he doesn't write science fiction! Stephenson and Mieville, to me (and it could just be me) seem so far removed from the existing science fiction establishment it is bizarre.

It's all goofed up.

The fact is, there should be more adoption of adapted books, not less. There's no good reason why Warhammer Books should not be on these lists and pushing new ideas.And some of them are, actually - just no one in the industry will admit to reading the good ones. The fact that Graham McNeill's Horus Heresy books don't show up for awards don't mean they aren't worthy of them. I know Horus Rising (not McNeill's book, but the same series) was immensely popular, and I bet it came close, maybe even beat, Card's figures back when it came out.

New science fiction isn't dead. It is not even dreaming. It is simply on another planet - the one that mind-controlling thought police like self-described fans/hijackers of a pulp comic from 1938 and other revisionists of their kind simply can't imagine.

Anonymous Clay February 12, 2013 2:00 PM  

If Superman would just come out of the closet, (or, telephone booth), all Card's problems would be solved.

Anonymous WaterBoy February 12, 2013 2:03 PM  

Vox: "What can we conclude of the hateful bigotry of the Manager of Science Fiction at Tor, Patrick Nielsen Hayden, given that he continues to publish such a evil anti-gay writer?"

That principles can always be sacrificed on the altar of the almighty dollar?

This is nothing new. And it can be rabbitionalized away.

Anonymous Randy M February 12, 2013 2:03 PM  

Whatever is going to be in a tizzy over whether this is a reference to them or not. C'mon monitor bunnies, count it in, be generous to the trans chilluns.

Blogger tz February 12, 2013 2:04 PM  

WAsn't the next Green Lantern supposed to be Gay? (Where will he wear his ring?).

Well, with all the LL in the Supermaniverse, Lavender Lantern would just be another one.

Blogger tz February 12, 2013 2:16 PM  

The larger problem is not that the rabbits go rabid trying to enforce the dictates of the warren, they never stop to think who is doing the dictation.

Much as the cooped up hens all listen to the Fox. And when they get angry they blame the bad piggies.

Homosexuality is a reality today, so I would expect comics to have it in the storyline, but in context, neither utopia nor dystopia. But that takes a true artist.

(I've not done "Ender's Game" which is now in my queue, but noted in the description of the work the communal insectoid alien enemy are called "Buggers").

Blogger JDC February 12, 2013 2:16 PM  

Yes - it's true about Green Lantern. His recent coming out party has shed some light on an earlier controversy surrounding the intergalactic police force known as the Green Lantern Corps. For years the justice league's commission on morality and ethics has been stumped as to why so many rings were mysteriously discovered in the asses of villains and super heroes alike. (The wonder twin Zan was reported to have had 16 incidents of bowel movements that included missing green rings). The plot thickens.

Anonymous Not TAD ..ha hah February 12, 2013 2:17 PM  

CENSORSHIP! BUSH = HITLER! FASCISM!!!

Oh wait...this guys is opposing GAY marriage! What a knuckle-dragger. Yes, he should be shut up by any means possible...

Anonymous kh123 February 12, 2013 2:17 PM  

Most superhero comic fanboys are closet homosexuals anyhow. Good deal of the comic industry operates on a level somewhere between Raiders Nation and mongoloid.

Blogger Rev. Right February 12, 2013 2:18 PM  

"Apparently we are to believe that opposing gay marriage is a more notable and newsworthy accomplishment than being the most notable author in your genre for nearly two decades"

Or that opposing gay marriage means you are anti-gay.

To the leftist, not loudly and enthusiastically acceding to whatever I want = Hate.

Anonymous Tallen February 12, 2013 2:21 PM  

Personally I think they belong under "humor" not SciFi but the Commissar Cain WH40k novels are entertaining enough.

Blogger IM2L844 February 12, 2013 2:25 PM  

Oh, for cryin' out loud, can't these idiots ever just shut the f*** up? The perpetual poor, poor us shtick is getting on my last nerve. Gay guys suck!

Anonymous Vidad February 12, 2013 2:25 PM  

I wonder if the NFL will step in and censure Card...

Blogger Shimshon February 12, 2013 2:33 PM  

You may as well throw in a gratuitous Rapey reference.

Anonymous Rex Little February 12, 2013 2:36 PM  

The funny thing is that when I first read Card, the tone of his writing seemed leftish to me. I didn't find out he was Mormon til years later.

Anonymous DonReynolds February 12, 2013 2:40 PM  

I remember when I was summoned to the Dean's Office on a complaint from a fellow faculty member. One of my students had checked out a book I had put on reserve in the campus library and had it with her when she attended his class. He noticed the book and promptly confiscated it. She came to me worried that the library would now charge her late fees for not turning it back in. His complaint: the author of the economics book was supposedly a homosexual. (I do not know even today if the English economist was ever homosexual. The book was not about homosexuality.)

Of course, I demanded that the book be returned and he admit that he had no such authority to confiscate books I had assigned to my students. No apology necessary, but this is a question of private property....it was after all, my property.

The other faculty member (from Liberty University) argued that he had a responsibility to protect students from homosexual authors. I persuaded the Dean that regardless of academic freedom he had to respect private property. I got the book returned.

Anonymous Idle Spectator February 12, 2013 2:42 PM  

Gay guys suck!

Well, yeah.

Anonymous DrTorch February 12, 2013 2:45 PM  

kh- yeah, that's why non-descript Power Girl got so popular for one thing. Well actually two things.

tz- Actually it's the old Green Lantern, Alan Scott, who is gay. Don't know the whole story line after DC rebooted their universe again, but it seems like a take-off of the mini-series "What if Stan Lee created the DC Universe?" And that ain't good.

Anonymous Idle Spectator February 12, 2013 2:45 PM  

The other faculty member (from Liberty University) argued that he had a responsibility to protect students from homosexual authors.

John Maynard Keynes? He was bisexual, but that is hemigay.

Anonymous Peter Garstig February 12, 2013 2:51 PM  

I seem to recall that Ender's game was published first in 1984, not 1994.

One of those books with an incredibly obvious ending that took me by surprise.

Other Books of him any goid?

Anonymous Clay February 12, 2013 2:54 PM  

Nah, if you're male and you suck dick; you're a faggot.

Blogger tz February 12, 2013 2:58 PM  

Maybe someone needs to create Lepusuction?

Personally, I cannot see what is so wrong with gay marriage when we have no-fault divorce, and the government is the foundation of the family anyway, and children are considered a curse that can be accepted when convenient (differing from pets only in expense and that you can't abandon them either in a field or humane society).

From the real, fruitful, definition of marriage, it isn't threatening either. It isn't a lion, bear, dragon, or even some venomous animal. It is about as threatening as Gamma Rabbit. "Gay Marriage" is beneath contempt - it is laughably stupid. Like someone (seriously) calling themselves a tea-kettle. But if you are a gray rabbit, a lavender one is a threat because it is what you would be, fallen one more step.

The best way of illustrating this is to give you a choice of one granted wish or answered prayer:

1. "Marriage" would return to be its earlier wife and kids and (as per "what God has joined let no man put asunder") indissoluble - divorce would be a tiny percentage and only because some people are just so evil that the marriage as such is dead anyway, but an even tinier percentage would be gay couples claiming to be married under the same strictures.

2. Divorce, currently at 50% (even among Christians) goes even higher such that only one out of five dies having only had one spouse until death, but gay marriage is completely and utterly banned.

Saint Thomas More didn't accept Henry VIII's (= Luther's) definition of marriage, but I would point out that Ann Boleyn was a woman! So it must have been OK? (Note the Pope already granted one annulment to Henry, a second would be as much of a compromise).

As a libertarian, and as a Catholic Christian, I don't see what business Caesar / the State has in this sacrament much less any other. So I'm in favor of legalizing my Catholic definition of marriage - giving the force of civil law to a contract that states "till death do us part", so that the church can require it be entered into as a condition of being married in Church. The pagans and others can do whatever they want. But no discrimination, Catholic adoption agencies could not be discriminated against for placing children with couples they define as married.

From what I know of Mormon theology applied to dealing with the world, they are similar to Muslims in not separating church and civil law, so Card might be reasoning from a different point (and one I am capable of arguing for, since it makes sense but you first must accept that Constantine has the authority to define marriage - I can't because to me it means Nero or Julian the Apostate have/had the authority).

Anonymous Idle Spectator February 12, 2013 3:00 PM  

Nah, if you're male and you suck dick; you're a faggot.

Using that derailed train of logic, if Liberace were to eat vulva, he would be straight.

You are a hemihomophobe and vacuuphallophobe.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box February 12, 2013 3:02 PM  

Note to Orso:
If you sincerely feeeeeeel that gay marriage = the end of democracy, but you're cool with shit like Indefinate detention, pre-emptive strikes, undeclared wars, gun bans, drone strikes and endless entitlement you are MUCH DUMBER than the average bear!
Just sayin'

Anonymous DonReynolds February 12, 2013 3:02 PM  

The other faculty member (from Liberty University) argued that he had a responsibility to protect students from homosexual authors.

Idle Spectator...."John Maynard Keynes? He was bisexual, but that is hemigay."

Keynes was married to a Russian ballet dancer. I bet that was a rare treat. Like other English economists, if they are homosexual, it is not obvious from their books.

Anonymous Thales February 12, 2013 3:03 PM  

...why so many rings were mysteriously discovered in the asses of villains and super heroes alike.

/spit-take

Anonymous Noah B. February 12, 2013 3:06 PM  

"Using that derailed train of logic, if Liberace were to eat vulva, he would be straight."

Or possibly a cannibal.

Anonymous Moranderin February 12, 2013 3:10 PM  

I'm happy with all the sound and fury over the issue. If not for the protests, I wouldn't have known that Card was going to write Superman. I'll have to check the book out when it's released.

Anonymous DonReynolds February 12, 2013 3:10 PM  

gay marriage = the end of democracy

Almost sounds like a good trade, since I have ZERO affection for democracy anyway.

In fact, it does not look like a trade at all....specifically, BECAUSE of democracy, we get gay marriage. The same democracy that re-elected Obamba to a second term, the same democracy that says we can tax and spend and borrow without any limit whatsoever, keep this party going till we all puke. Fix me another double! It is not even morning yet.

Anonymous JohnR February 12, 2013 3:13 PM  

Bob K. Mando: Couldn't figure out why they quoted this guy too. This is why.

"so, who is the 'actor' Michael Hartney? looks like pretty much nobody."

"Set in New York's gay "bear" scene and taking a cue from the popular HBO franchise "Sex and the City," BearCity follows a tight-knit pack of friends experiencing comical mishaps, emotionally sweet yet lusty romantic encounters and a cast of colorful, diverse characters as they gear up for a big party weekend."

He's a hairy fag.

Anonymous Idle Spectator February 12, 2013 3:22 PM  

Or possibly a cannibal.

Bone ape-a-tit.

Anonymous Daniel February 12, 2013 3:30 PM  

And yeah, Ender's Game was written in 1985.

I believe the Talisman and So Long and Thanks for All the Fish would have been with Ender's Game on any of the sci-fi bestseller lists for that year. Probably White Gold Wielder, too?

The best and funniest sci-fi stuff has moved over to video games or outside of Tor prison. Angry Robot puts out some interesting stuff. The Johannes Cabal stuff is tucked away in general fiction.

The Rabbits arrived in Sci-Fi town, changed the name to SyFy, and all the artists left for freer pastures, leaving the illiterate Rabbits to wonder "why gay superman not fly?"

Blogger xenophon1 February 12, 2013 3:32 PM  


"gay marriage = the end of democracy"

Would that it were so.

In this 10 min. vid., Dr. Hans Hermann-Hoppe discusses how democracy is, at best, merely modified socialism, and how we would ALL be much, much richer and more free if we lived under a monarchy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k12teOokSqM

Blogger tz February 12, 2013 3:39 PM  

If it was indeed Keynes:

Why did you take my book? Isn't it stealing? Don't you believe in private property?
The author of the book would call it "redistribution" and considers it a righteous act. Think of it as counter-cyclical taxation.

Keynesian-ism is a greater and more malignant evil compared with lesbianism. Avarice is worse than Lust, though both (as well as Wrath) can be repackaged as righteousness.

Blogger ProNorden February 12, 2013 3:40 PM  

VoxDay, Would you please install a Twitter button on this Blog so we can easily refer it to others ?

Blogger tz February 12, 2013 3:42 PM  

Gay Marriage being the end of democracy is actually a tautology. It will never get the support of 51% of the people so must be imposed by the oligarchy or dictator.

Blogger tz February 12, 2013 3:46 PM  

Meanwhile on the planet Oah:

Elder: a new threat has arisen:
Lantern: what?
Elder: a new force!
Lantern: We've already defeated yellow fear and red anger. Blue?
Elder: No, the lavender power of lust.
Langern: You've got to be kidding. They can ___
Elder: I see you've already encountered them.

Blogger xenophon1 February 12, 2013 3:47 PM  



"Oh, for cryin' out loud, can't these idiots ever just shut the f*** up? The perpetual poor, poor us shtick is getting on my last nerve."

True that, IM2L844. The sodomite "community" is biggest bunch of hyper-sensitive, insecure, whiny, whimpering, pathetic drama queens (pun intended) on the planet. They would do us all a huge favor by just shutting their mouths and going away. Far, far, away.

Blogger tz February 12, 2013 3:47 PM  

I wish I could edit, I forgot to add:

At least DC comics isn't yet AC/DC comics.

Anonymous Anonymous February 12, 2013 3:59 PM  

Science fiction is a dead genre because it proposes that humanity has a future. (It does not.)

Anonymous Daniel February 12, 2013 4:06 PM  

Dang. Just realized that 1985 must have been a hell of year in pop Sci-Fi: Ender's Game, Return of the Jedi, and So Long and Thanks basically occupy 4 of the top 5 books nearly 30 years later!

And, Annie - there's some great sci-fi out there. It just isn't necessarily in print. Not because print can't do the job, but because the slobs cranking out the print are party hardliners. Humanity has a future: left-wing utopianism doesn't.

Anonymous VD February 12, 2013 4:07 PM  

VoxDay, Would you please install a Twitter button on this Blog so we can easily refer it to others?

I tried once, but this is an old template and it didn't work. If any of the HTML-heads want to send me the code, I'll do it.

Anonymous Daniel February 12, 2013 4:09 PM  

tz
At least DC comics isn't yet AC/DC comics.

I can see the movie trailer now: the thrumming beat of "Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap"

For a fee, he's happy to be...

BACKDOORMAN!

Anonymous Anonymous February 12, 2013 4:15 PM  

Remember, the enemy's gate is down.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 February 12, 2013 4:17 PM  

Well, considering that DC comics made a lipstick lesbian Batwoman (a hardcore dyke version would have been better) and turned Alan Scott, the original Green Lantern, into a gay man, I find it odd that they would hire this guy in the first place.

Considering that almost nobody reads comics anymore, it is surprising that the Rabbits even noticed this. Really, there is nothing more annoying than the modern witch trials on full display.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera February 12, 2013 4:19 PM  

OT: Vox, you can't make this up.

A November car chase ended in a "full blown-out" firefight, with glass and bullets flying, according to Cleveland police officers who described for investigators the chaotic scene at the end of the deadly 25-minute pursuit.

But when the smoky haze -- caused by rapid fire of nearly 140 bullets in less than 30 seconds -- dissipated, it soon became clear that more than a dozen officers had been firing at one another across a middle school parking lot in East Cleveland.


"At the end of the scene, both unarmed -- and presumably innocent -- people in the car were dead."

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/02/massive_police.html

Blogger Phoenician February 12, 2013 4:31 PM  

The fascinating thing about this is that Card isn't just any "best-selling" author. Publisher's Weekly has him as the #1 best-selling author in science fiction, with Ender's Game outselling all other science fiction novels in 2012, and twice as many as the #2 novel, despite the fact that it was first published 18 years ago in 1994.

Uh-huh. http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/bookselling/article/55458-big-names-dominated-bestsellers-in-2012.html

Ender’s Game by Orson Scott Card. Tor. 100,387

but

The Hunger Games (paperback) by Suzanne Collins. Scholastic. 2,809,857
Catching Fire by Suzanne Collins. Scholastic. 2,611,680
Mockingjay by Suzanne Collins. Scholastic. 2,302,461

which leads us to...

Apparently we are to believe that opposing gay marriage is a more notable and newsworthy accomplishment than being the most notable author in your genre for nearly two decades.

Ender's Game published 1985, 1 million copies sold

to name but one

Neuromancer published 1984, 6.5 million copies sold.

Pwned again, my little bitch.

Anonymous Anonymous February 12, 2013 4:34 PM  

Well, technically humanity does have a future, but it is more post-apocalyptic than sci-fi.

Anonymous realmatt February 12, 2013 4:35 PM  

Comic fans are largely pathetic liberal omegas who are usually rejected even by their low ranked female counterparts. Their comic book sense of humor is in constant war with video game geek sense of humor ( I mean real geeks. Real loser basement dwelling neck bearded geeks) over which is worse and more alienating.

I have been banned about 4 times from the Brian Michael Bendis message board.

Anonymous Josh February 12, 2013 4:50 PM  

Aren't the hunger games considered young adult and not scifi?

And, Phoenician, the Bible outsells all other books every year.

Blogger tz February 12, 2013 5:09 PM  

But when the smoky haze -- caused by rapid fire of nearly 140 bullets in less than 30 seconds -- dissipated, it soon became clear that more than a dozen officers had been firing at one another across a middle school parking lot in East Cleveland.


Sometimes the circular firing squad might accomplish something, pity fewer officers...

Blogger tz February 12, 2013 5:12 PM  

@Daniel:

Once, just south of Detroit was a gay bar, but in the locale, they had to keep the front door locked. "Enter through the Rear".

Anonymous realmatt February 12, 2013 5:19 PM  



No one considers any of those sci-fi. They aren't even remotely sci-fi.

And "Enders Game" the movie hasn't come out yet..

Anonymous realmatt February 12, 2013 5:22 PM  

Who the devil reads "Superman" comic books? Maybe the readership has changed over the years, but when I was younger it consisted of twelve year old dweeb losers. Gammas' to be.

They're todays Omegas.

Omegas with poor taste, I might add. Superman has always been horribly written and even more horribly drawn.

Blogger Nate February 12, 2013 5:27 PM  

"Pwned again, my little bitch."

Yes yes.. by demonstrating how a non-sci-fi series has out-sold a sci fi novel you have clearly shown that Card is not a leading sci-fi author for 2 decades.

Pat yourself on the back. Usually its Tad posting things this obviously stupid.

Blogger Nate February 12, 2013 5:28 PM  

"They're todays Omegas."

I think it would be more accurate to say... no one. If anyone was reading it... they wouldn't be resorting to these circus stunts to try to get people to read it.

Anonymous ericcs February 12, 2013 5:37 PM  

I know all the little gay boys didn't have a strong father figure while growing up, but why take it out on the rest of us?

Here's a decently concise analogy... assume a group of people who are born with strong upper-torso development. They look around, and decide to band together for their own mutual aggrandizement at the expense of everyone else. They come up with a list of demands: all of them will now walk on their hands 100% instead of their feet, and all public spaces must cater to them with feet-friendly entrances, exits, and walkways. All individuals within society are forced to comply at risk of harassment and ultimate ruin by the law.

Thus a minor variation in nature is deliberately taken to extremes by personal decisions with respect to the environment and society, all without accepting any associated responsibility or attempt to change.

Does any of this sound familiar???

Anonymous bob k. mando February 12, 2013 5:45 PM  

Phoenician February 12, 2013 4:31 PM
Ender's Game published 1985, 1 million copies sold
to name but one
Neuromancer published 1984, 6.5 million copies sold.



link to documentation, please. the only thing i can find that mentions these numbers is an extremely sloppy infographic which doesn't even show sales numbers for ~half the titles it lists.

http://www.graspingforthewind.com/2012/07/20/infographic-the-best-selling-sci-fi-books-of-all-time/

even that doesn't say that Ender's Game has sold "a million copies". it says "more than a million". how MANY more than a million? unknown.

Anonymous Emperor of Icecream February 12, 2013 5:51 PM  

This journalist is as reality-challenged as the rest of them.

What Card said was that judges imposing gay marriage was the end of democracy.

Blogger Acksiom February 12, 2013 6:06 PM  

ARC, 11/05/08:

"Sales of Atlas Shrugged since its publication have reached a total of 6,500,000. . . ."

Wikipedia:

"Total sales of the novel in 2009 exceeded 500,000 copies.[72] The book sold 445,000 copies in 2011, the second-strongest sales year in the novel's history."

So AS is at minimum over 7.5 million copies. It may not be the winner, but it should at least be a serious contender.

Anonymous kh123 February 12, 2013 6:14 PM  

<i"I have been banned about 4 times from the Brian Michael Bendis message board."</i

You sir have won the respected of anyone who's had to work with the reacharound fest that is the Marvel writing collective.

Anonymous kh123 February 12, 2013 6:18 PM  

"yeah, that's why non-descript Power Girl got so popular for one thing."

Mongoloids prefer pectorals to boobs. It's priming-par-excellence.

Anonymous kh123 February 12, 2013 6:21 PM  

"Phoenician"

At least you got your handle correct this time. Two hands on keyboard; it really helps doesn't it.

Blogger James Dixon February 12, 2013 6:36 PM  

> So AS is at minimum over 7.5 million copies.

Well, it's a very influential book. Even the New York Times makes a backhanded compliment to it:

http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/r/ayn_rand/index.html

"Atlas Shrugged," Rand's magnum opus, is sometimes said to be the second-most influential book in American thought, next only to the Bible.

USA Today is more honest, quoting the source:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/companies/management/2002-09-23-ayn-rand_x.htm

"But Atlas Shrugged is more point-blank with Rand's philosophy, and it's the second-most-influential book of all time, a distant second to the Bible, according to a survey of 5,000 Book-of-the-Month Club members taken a decade ago for the Library of Congress."

I doubt any of Suzanne Collins' books will ever be able to claim anything similar.

Anonymous Emperor of Icecream February 12, 2013 6:42 PM  

No, Suzanne Collins books have been massively influential. I hear all sorts of people these days who think the country should be governed from an oppressive and stagnant capitol.

Anonymous VD February 12, 2013 6:43 PM  

Ender’s Game by Orson Scott Card. Tor. 100,387

but

The Hunger Games (paperback) by Suzanne Collins. Scholastic. 2,809,857
Catching Fire by Suzanne Collins. Scholastic. 2,611,680
Mockingjay by Suzanne Collins. Scholastic. 2,302,461


Suzanne Collins is not classified as science fiction. Her genre is YA. That is why it is listed under "Children’s Fiction" and not "Science Fiction" by Publisher's Weekly.

Hop along now, little rabbit.

Anonymous Red Comet February 12, 2013 7:11 PM  

I would classify Suzanne Collins' books as science fiction personally, but the fact remains that Hunger Games is a whitewashed Battle Royale.

And yes, I do know she claims to have never heard of the book while writing Hunger Games. And no, I don't believe her.

I don't believe her anymore than I believed Vanilla Ice when he said his song's base line was totally different than Under Pressure's. Who in their right mind would willingly go on record to open up their millions in earning to legal action?

Anonymous JAU February 12, 2013 7:14 PM  

"There's no good reason why Warhammer Books should not be on these lists"

Quite. In fact I have found that almost any given Warhammer novel is at least two cuts above any but the best (Stross/Stephenson level) fiction on offer from today's crop of Sci Fi writers. Interestingly (to me at least) this reliably high level of quality persists from author to author within the black library, though some are better than others, I've probably read something like 60-80 war hammer novels; of which perhaps 5 were not GOOD, and only one of which, was actually bad. To tie this in with one of vox's frequent themes,I suspect that this consistent quality is at least not solely due to high editorial standards at BL, but is thanks in large part to the sometimes overt, sometimes subdued, but always present religiosity of these books. Sure its often a warped lovecraftian sort faith, but the nature of the WH universe and especially the 40K universe means that faith and God(s) are always major components of most of the character's personalities and motivations. The characters and the stories are much richer for that than what you will find in most SF.

Anonymous JAU February 12, 2013 7:18 PM  


The whole Horus heresy series after all, is a story of what happens when the sexy atheist science fiction society collides messily with the reality that Good, Evil, and the Divine do exist after all.

Anonymous FP February 12, 2013 7:38 PM  

I swore I wouldn't get involved in the rabbit wars...

but it was self defense! Well that and the pandas are paying good money to get stolen goods back. I did make a contribution to the azeroth wildlife fund (myself) and I hugged a murloc too (not really).

Anonymous kh123 February 12, 2013 7:41 PM  

"Sure its often a warped lovecraftian sort faith, but the nature of the WH universe and especially the 40K universe means that faith and God(s) are always major components of most of the character's personalities and motivations."

Crusades placed in galactic terms; geneseed lineage from a decrepit Emperor super-being; an Abel/Cain rivalry creating suicidal Templars and Elder One-type demons; recorded history reaching into deep time; everything on a colossal scale with whole worlds hanging in the balance.

Good formula from such a simple table-top game.

And notice - no spandex.

Anonymous Godfrey February 12, 2013 7:54 PM  

This behavioral response is emblematic of a narcissistic psychological disorder like homosexuality.

Anonymous Daniel February 12, 2013 8:02 PM  

The whole Horus heresy series after all, is a story of what happens when the sexy atheist science fiction society collides messily with the reality that Good, Evil, and the Divine do exist after all.

Holy space marines. Way to nail that one to the floor JAU. Never thought of it that way at all, but it is an extremely appropriate reference.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben February 12, 2013 8:29 PM  

I read star wars because it's star wars. It's one of the few franchises I have any loyalty, due to watching the movies 50,000 times while growing up.

Anonymous TA711 February 12, 2013 8:51 PM  

"I've probably read something like 60-80 war hammer novels"

Always a pleasure to meat a fellow 40k scholar.

"I suspect that this consistent quality is at least not solely due to high editorial standards at BL, but is thanks in large part to the sometimes overt, sometimes subdued, but always present religiosity of these books. Sure its often a warped lovecraftian sort faith, but the nature of the WH universe and especially the 40K universe means that faith and God(s) are always major components of most of the character's personalities and motivations. The characters and the stories are much richer for that than what you will find in most SF."

Another good thing to point out is the nature of GW's canon policy; to paraphrase: Everything is equally as likely false as it is true. This allows the writers to completely ignore any contradictions against the established canon and tell the story the way they want to tell it, without the worry of taking a crap on what someone else already wrote (of course it all still has to get BL's seal of approval, but that's beside the point).

After all, since its very founding, 40k has been a universe that has been intentionally left as an open sandbox so to speak, its not like Star Wars/Trek where everything is exactly as its creators created it to be; 40k is entirely left to what the individual makes of it, not what the group consensus may be and GW often goes out of their way to emphasise this as one of the fundamental aspects of the hobby.

Quite a bit of freedom involved in making the story your own.

"The whole Horus heresy series after all, is a story of what happens when the sexy atheist science fiction society collides messily with the reality that Good, Evil, and the Divine do exist after all. "

I'd also throw in that it took the sacrifice of the 40k Jesus equivalent to save their lives as well as their souls. Oh the irony.

Also, out of curiosity, which one of the books did you think was bad?

For me I'd have to say it was the first Dawn of War; Gotto practically carbon copied the story from the game and every change he made to it ruined it in some way, the following two novels were much better because he decided to write a story of his own at least....

Somewhat OT:
Am I the only one who finds themself siding with GW with the whole Space Marine copywrite issue, even though I know they are in the wrong?

Maybe its just because I'm a devoted fan, but I find the idea of them throwing their weight around quite appealing...

Anonymous Wendy February 12, 2013 9:45 PM  

Am I the only one who finds themself siding with GW with the whole Space Marine copywrite issue, even though I know they are in the wrong?

Yes. It's ridiculous. The term dates back to the 1930's. They're putting off a whole lot of people, but then, that's nothing new. They play the bully way too much and as it is, and their minis are getting pretty darn expensive for what you get (there are an awful lot of nicknames for Finecast and they aren't nice), which is even more off putting. That's very short sighted, especially considering the plethora of alternatives out there.

Protecting what is theirs is fine. Their overreach isn't. Maybe the minis would be cheaper if they'd give the lawyers a break. And for heaven's sake, they need to use proper exchange rates rather than the same (very) old set prices for the poor Australians. They pay double.

Blogger Acksiom February 12, 2013 10:15 PM  

@James Dixon

Thanks for the citation. I've always avoided using the 'second most influential' tag because I didn't know the claim's source. Now I do.

Anonymous JAU February 12, 2013 10:30 PM  

"I'd also throw in that it took the sacrifice of the 40k Jesus equivalent to save their lives as well as their souls. Oh the irony."

Indeed, throw in the christological similarities and contrasts with Sigmar and there's a wickedly awesome Dr. of Divinity Dissertation lurking in there.

"Also, out of curiosity, which one of the books did you think was bad?"

Valka the Bloody, the inspiring tale of the oh so strong independent daughter of a Khornate Kurgan chieftain. I clocked out at around pg 50 when the adolescent Valka started to discover her feelings for the sarcastic, standoffish tribe shaman or something. The Only time the Black Library has utterly disappointed me.

Anonymous JAU February 12, 2013 10:41 PM  

"For me I'd have to say it was the first Dawn of War;"

Dawn of War is one series I haven't gotten around to yet...guess I won't be in a hurry to then...

"GW often goes out of their way to emphasize this as one of the fundamental aspects of the hobby."

Ironically I know all too little about the hobby side of it, I've never played the game. I just kept seeing an entire shelf dedicated to the books at Barnes and Noble so one day I decided to buy one and see what all the fuss was about, I think it was another two years and 40 novels later that I first became aware that there was a game involved. I just love the fiction.

Anonymous jlw February 12, 2013 11:19 PM  

What's with Yahoo! and all their non-newsworthy gay interest stories they highlight on their front page? It's almost like they are pushing some agenda... Has anybody else noticed this?

Anonymous Toby Temple February 12, 2013 11:30 PM  

So am I to expect that there will be a time that the Man of Steel will become Gay of Steel? ~facepalm~

The only consolation for this is the fact that in comics, such events can be retconed.

Anonymous bob k. mando February 13, 2013 12:17 AM  

retconning works both ways, Toby.

Anonymous Toby Temple February 13, 2013 12:46 AM  

yeah. you're right, bob.

thanks for the reminder... really appreciate it...

I just hope they don't turn Bruce Wayne into Batgay....

Anonymous Idle Spectator February 13, 2013 1:26 AM  

Keynes was married to a Russian ballet dancer. I bet that was a rare treat. Like other English economists, if they are homosexual, it is not obvious from their books.

Lydia Lopokova. Apparently she also boned Igor Fyodorovich Stravinsky of Le Sacre du Printemps (The Rite of Spring ballet) fame. I did not know that till recently, but did know that Stravinsky was rumored to have boned Coco Chanel in 1920.

Chanel No. 1920? Still bonerific at 37.


"After her husband's collapse from an attack of angina in 1937, Lopokova devoted herself increasingly to taking care of his health. She supervised his diet and making sure he had enough rest; "without her constant attention and her joie de vivre, Keynes might not have made it to Bretton Woods."

Maybe it is true, women really do ruin everything.


This behavioral response is emblematic of a narcissistic psychological disorder like homosexuality.

I always wondered about that. Women are more narcissistic on average than men, and homosexuals are generally effeminante. Even the so-called "masculine" gays seem to have some face-feminization going on.

Connection?

Anonymous Jack Amok February 13, 2013 1:38 AM  

retconning works both ways, Toby.

Why am I envisioning some lame, overdone time-travel plot where rival factions from the future keep travelling back in time to change the past so the Justice League is on their side?

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2013 8:04 AM  

Women are more narcissistic on average than men, and homosexuals are generally effeminante. Even the so-called "masculine" gays seem to have some face-feminization going on.

There's a reason why many gays date people that look like themselves.

Anonymous FrankNorman February 13, 2013 9:22 AM  

Josh February 13, 2013 8:04 AM

There's a reason why many gays date people that look like themselves.


This is an interesting point. Men and women are different, psychologically as well as physically, and so relationship between a man and a woman is one between two people who do not think the same. There's character growth involved.
The more so when they have children, and therefore must themselves mature from lovers to parents.

The lesbians and gays? Stuck in their own echo-chamber, only relating to people as much like themselves as possible.

I think that much of the mentality of the Atheo-Left is based on a rejection of anyone other than themselves.

Anonymous Viking February 13, 2013 9:47 AM  

Superman fans?

They make it sound like ALL Superman fans are up in arms. It would seem much more likely that it is but a fraction of Superman and comic book fans that were even aware that he was going to write for DC. A fraction of which would even be aware of Card's moral stance on anything. And yet another fraction of which would actually disagree with him and then another fraction of which would even give a flying f*#k about it.

Anonymous Samson J. February 13, 2013 9:54 AM  

What's with Yahoo! and all their non-newsworthy gay interest stories they highlight on their front page? It's almost like they are pushing some agenda... Has anybody else noticed this?

Yes, I've noticed it. It's tough to decide which search engine to use these days.

Anonymous Gx1080 February 13, 2013 10:08 AM  

On GW:

The Black Library is a fine institution, and the lore is good and nicely open, but the game is terrible, and the minis are vastly overpriced.

I always reccomend the Ciaphas Cain series (finding humor of being a regular human on a galaxy of mosters). Though an awful author from the 90's is Ian Watson, that is in love with the thesaurus and writes everything like a sex scene.

On Leftoids:

Leftoids are vastly narcissistic. An easy example is the Obama worship. Barry is a self-centered, smug bastard that believes that he's smarter than what he actually is, which is a perfect description of the typical Leftoid.

Anonymous Daniel February 13, 2013 12:25 PM  

Funny, when Archie Comics had an entire storyline openly endorsing gay marriage (complete with The Wedding issue) and a Menage a Trois between Archie, Betty and Veronica, I don't remember any headlines suggesting that "Anti-normal writers" were sullying the brand.

Of course, I remember thinking: huh. There's still Archie Comics.

Anonymous WaterBoy February 13, 2013 5:30 PM  

jlw: "What's with Yahoo! and all their non-newsworthy gay interest stories they highlight on their front page? It's almost like they are pushing some agenda... Has anybody else noticed this?"

Tracking data based, so they push to the individual whatever they have been searching for recently -- so what have you been looking at???

Just kidding...it seems like typical wideband marketing. There are typically articles on job interview pointers for the job-seeking set, health articles for the health-conscious, etc. And it's a constantly changing set, so they can cover a greater number of demographic slots. A quick check just now reveals the following articles in the News section:

- Obama pushes for raising minimum wage
- Women enters hospital for hernia, leaves with newborn
- Photos: Catching zzz's at the State of the Union
- Turnstile jumper arrested; gets seven-year sentence
- Sen. Graham to Hagel, Brennan: ‘I’m gonna keep hittin’ you’
- Photos: Westminster's top dog chows down on filet mignon
- Remembering the victims of fugitive ex-cop
- Size does matter: Birds grow bigger beaks to get mates
- Tugs towing 'nightmare' ship to port
- Speech magnified limits, not power

Mostly news and politics, with a few other catgories thrown in (though none on 'gay' interest -- unless the Westminster Dog Show counts).

Blogger Phoenician February 13, 2013 9:35 PM  

Yes yes.. by demonstrating how a non-sci-fi series has out-sold a sci fi novel you have clearly shown that Card is not a leading sci-fi author for 2 decades.

Not very smart, are you? Collin's series is sf, but it got classified as YA. Placed in context it outsold Ender's Game over 20 times in 2012.

But that wasn't the point of the comment. This is the point - RSHD's quote

- Apparently we are to believe that opposing gay marriage is a more notable and newsworthy accomplishment than being the most notable author in your genre for nearly two decades.

Dipshit is, as usual, dead dead wrong. JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, William Gibson has Card beaten by a country mile, as shown by the sales of his seminal work. It would be an easy task to compile a list of a dozen or so sf authors who have been more "notable" than card over the last 20 or 30 years, even ignoring Dipshit's confusion on publishing dates.

Dipshit has been pwned again. He's a fuckwit.

Anonymous David of One February 13, 2013 10:33 PM  



You never know what you will find until you look ...

Pussification

Anonymous Gx1080 February 13, 2013 11:42 PM  

Man, at least Tad has the talent of being a slippery snake. Phoenician is just a bore to read.

Protip: The extremely small definition of what is Sci-fi according to the SWFA makes the SWFA and, more importantly, his president look stupid. You are making Vox's points for him.

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