Avanti Grillo
The Italian euro-elite is plotting against the Italian people and their right to self-determination again:
To put it into American terms, this is as if Ron Paul had run third party for president, no one won, and it was declared that Ben Bernanke would be appointing himself president. Needless to say, the 90 percent of Italians who voted against Monti, the Italian equivalent of Alan Greenspan, who for the last year has been acting as prime minister despite never being elected to anything, are not at all pleased about this.
Meanwhile, in the land of the free, Americans sit complacently on their $53 trillion in debt and continue to support the very Republicans and Democrats whose policies created it.
Italian officials say the Bank of Italy’s governor Ignazio Visco is front-runner to take over as premier despite warnings that this will be seen as an elitist ploy. It is far from clear whether the Democrats (Pd) in charge of the lower house will back the idea. The plans amount to a near replica of the outgoing team of Mario Monti, though one greatly weakened by the earthquake upset in the elections a week ago. Almost 57pc of the vote went to groups that vowed to tear up the EU-imposed austerity agenda.The "comedian" is terrifying the bankers and the politicians because he's made it clear that he will not be co-opted by alliances and payoffs. Naturally, this refusal to join them means those who are observably anti-democratic fascists are attempting to smear him as a fascist. They are frightened, quite reasonably, that Grillo will lead Italy out of the Euro and possibly the European Union as well. As, one hopes, he will.
Stefano Fassina, the Pd economics chief, said his party is vehemently opposed to “any form of technocrat government, new or old”, insisting that the election result must be respected. Mr Fassina said 90pc of the country had rejected the Monti agenda and warned that it would be a grave error to try to force through the same reviled plans a second time.
Comedian Beppe Grillo repeated his vow to “bring down the old system” and dismissed the latest talks as cattle market trading by a depraved political class trying to circumvent the will of the people. “I repeat for the umpteenth time, the Five Star Movement will not back any government. It will vote law by law in keeping with its platform,” he said.
“We’re not a political party, we’re a civic revolution. This country is in ruins with two trillion in debts and we have to rebuild it from scratch,” he told a scrum of journalists. In a rhetorical play on the slogans of 1789 and 1917 he exhorted “all citizens” to descend on parliament. Mr Grillo repeated his call for an “online referendum” on the euro and vowed to buy back €600bn of Italian bonds held by foreigners if his movement gains power, a de facto default and withdrawal from the EMU system.
To put it into American terms, this is as if Ron Paul had run third party for president, no one won, and it was declared that Ben Bernanke would be appointing himself president. Needless to say, the 90 percent of Italians who voted against Monti, the Italian equivalent of Alan Greenspan, who for the last year has been acting as prime minister despite never being elected to anything, are not at all pleased about this.
Meanwhile, in the land of the free, Americans sit complacently on their $53 trillion in debt and continue to support the very Republicans and Democrats whose policies created it.
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Meanwhile, in the land of the free, Americans sit complacently on their $53 trillion in debt and continue to support the very Republicans and Democrats whose policies created it.
Should old acquaintance be forgot,
and never brought to mind?
Being in Israel, I wonder if Stanley is jumping ship while the jumping is good. He blew a decent-sized bubble himself right here. Meanwhile, it will be...interesting...if Netanyahu is unable to form a coalition before his extension to do so expires.
Right to rebellion brought to you by the declaration of independence. The majority in America abstained from voting.. it might be seen as downright animosity to the puppet government. With secret signing of secret orders just the latest woes coming from D.C. topped by the Congress not being able to read the laws they sign. Time the people clean house impeach them all. Legal has gone for profit.. prison contracts at mandatory 90% occupation, a quota too keep. It's gonna blow wide open which is exactly what they're hoping for.
Not everyone.
I, for one, am working my ass off to get healthy enough to escape this country, personally. Before it is too late. I merely pray I have the time. After 25 years of misdiagnosis, then with, finally, a correct diagnosis, with two years of the correct treatment I am almost off the heart transplant nomination slate. It isn't the debt, it's the politics. And while I agree with the vid speaker, as far as it goes, mostly, I get the feeling he is preparing to get shot. He looks it. I don't know that they are looking at genocide there, they are here. If I suspect, through various policies, they have already been abolishing Italians to the furtherance of foreigners, whether intended or an unintended consequence, just as here. And, further, once America falls, the rest of the nations will begin murdering those of us who get uppity. Such is socialism.
Grillo is an interesting character. I know nothing of Italian politics, but the fact that he's refusing to do interviews or allow himself to be cajoled into some kind of deal is fascinating to me. I read some news recently about how he's 'ignoring his grassroots who are clamoring for him to make a power-sharing deal' with the center-left part. I wonder if his grassroots are really clamoring for that, or if the paper desperately wants them to.
I know nothing about Grillo, but I've seen this "comedian" trick used before with President Reagan, who was mockingly described as an "actor". I don't know if he's an Italian Reagan, but it's the same bullshit.
Not surprising considering the EU always been against democracy, although in a surreptitious way. It just that things are now going down the toilet fast, they are not bothering with maintaining the illusion of being democratic
Americans sit complacently on their $53 trillion in debt and continue to support the very Republicans and Democrats whose policies created it.
Italy has a far higher debt as a percentage of GDP than the USA.
Public opinion polls show that Americans overwhelmingly think debt is a major problem and should be the top priority of Congress. So, Americans are not complacent.
"So, Americans are not complacent."
Almost nobody has done anything of substance to affect that. There's a lot of grumbling, but that's as far as it goes, and will be for a long time unless something major sparks it.
Italy has a far higher debt as a percentage of GDP than the USA.
Italy's GDP is less relevant than the USA's because its unofficial economy is considered to be about the same size as its official one.
"...and will be for a long time unless something major sparks it."
Other than our rapidly deteriorating demographic profile, the main thing holding back 1776 Vol. 2 is that everyone is waiting for someone else to start the party. Whether its a modern day Patton of the People, or the equivalent version of Francis Marion or Nathaniel Greene...the Sleeping Giant stirs, but has not felt the necessary urge to actually get up.
He will try and stand at some point....the question is whether or not it will be too late and he finds himself lashed by a million tiny chains, a la Gulliver.
I don't know if any of you doom-and-gloomers have looked, but the DOW is over 14,000. Everything is fine. Even our government is cutting back, tighting the belt BIG TIME, to the tune of $85 BILLION dollars!
Everything is fine.
We'll see. Following Grillo's act is entertaining as heck. It is endless fodder and fun from his own tour bus.
And the DHS is purchasing 2,700 armored vehicles, and adding electronics to the drones to find civilians with guns. Meanwhile the sports stores are nearly empty of guns and ammo.
Italy's GDP is less relevant than the USA's because its unofficial economy is considered to be about the same size as its official one.
By who? When? The only estimate I can find is from 2002, and it does not say the Italian informal economy is that big.
In any event, this hardly alters the fact that the Italian gummint is spending money it doesn't have faster than the USG is.
$53 trillion in debt? Is that supposed to scare people?
Even after you take out the fraud from the GDP, that's not all that scary considering.
I happened to pick up The Creature from Jekyll Island at a used book store right before you started the inflation/deflation debate with Nate and I'm seeing the same themes play out. According to the author, every American dollar is a dollar of debt somewhere so if all debts were paid, all the money would disappear into banks vaults. Is that idea where your 53 trillion in debt comes from? Most people lately say 16 trillion. The author also says essentially the entire world is already under the boot of a few bankers who control the source and value of money and therefore control politicians who can legislate control of basically all the items of intrinsic value. So I'm trying to strategize for my future. I'm thinking I need to gather a lot of the arbitrary print money, exchange it for items of intrinsic value, land, animals and tools. Which is kind of what I've been wanting to do most my life anyway as a country boy from the Pacific Northwest. That way I'll be one step removed from the control of the bankers even if they're able still able to get to me through government mandates. The key is getting my hands on this money they create, which is apparently more difficult if you're not a government or in a government. What would you suggest is the quickest, least immoral way to get some of this money (apart from working for a wage which I already do. It's slow progress)? Do I need to know someone in particular? What would you suggest?
As long as Italy is part of the EU and the Euro, they are in a very real sense not even in charge of their own destiny economically or culturally.
Italy has been hamstrung by politically correct laws concerning illegal immigration that work to make them strangers in their own country, baggage handlers in a culture that, for better or worse, they created, and which has a distinct flavor and tone.
PC liberals are as sensitive as cats when it comes to preserving this type of cultural tone and indigenous power in Third World countries, and don't care about the exact same thing when it comes to the West.
There's a simple reason for that: liberals don't have principles - they only have identity. They parse morality, right and wrong, through skin and gender.
In principle, the idea of a United States of Europe wasn't a bad idea when it came to being a more efficient competitor to others and not falling over each other with unnecessary bureaucracy.
In practice it's been an even worse bureaucratic disaster because it has less respect for those states than it does for some guy born in N.Africa and the laws some guy in the Hague puts in place for a guy in Granada are Kafkaesque.
I guess colonialism is only bad if the colonists are successful.
Italians don't even know how to bathe properly, much less run a country.
Vox, I'm curious. Since you live there, what is the impact you've observed on day to day life in Italy?
The next four years in the US will be very interesting politically. It looks like Obama is setting up for a two year battle to have the Democrats take control of the House in 2014 as he knows he will be limited in what he can do if the GOP controls the House. It's a calculated gamble to stop working with them now to try to win it all in 2014.
Vox can correct me if I am wrong, but with freedom from the Euro-Banksters Italy would probably be a high functioning 3rd world country.
This could be a very good thing as the government would lack the resources or energy to interfere with the lives of the people.
Also, every Italian I met while in Europe clearly bathed regularly and effectively.
Is that idea where your 53 trillion in debt comes from? Most people lately say 16 trillion.
Total debt vs federal debt.
The current political situation with Mr. Grillo sound like SOP for Italian politics. I can remember when they were changing leaders every six months or so.
I hope he suceeds in his quest. And provides a lot of entertainment for us in the USA.
While we were in Rome last fall, Grillo was featured on several evening newscasts covering his rallies. The crowds were enthusiastic and seemed ready for action. Because of his looks and my negligible Italiano, I didn't know what he and his movement were about. I saw the large crowds and hoped he wasn't a communist! When we got home I happened to catch an English-language news story about him and finally figured out who he was.
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