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Saturday, March 16, 2013

Because you invaded their country

An Indian man wonders why no British people were willing to intervene when he was being beaten up on a train:
'Why would nobody help me?' Father punched in the face 18 times by racist thugs in front of 200 witnesses on a packed tram... and not one person intervened. Prakash Patel, 56, attacked while on a tram in Manchester with his daughter
Can you imagine this happening in the England in which Mr. Patel first settled 30 years ago?  No more than you can probably imagine a German complaining that French civilians didn't come to his assistance when the French Resistance attacked him.  Meanwhile, Mr. Patel's daughter is very fortunate that they were Indians being attacked in England and not Swiss being attacked in India.

The bien-pensant can cluck like chickens about how terrible it is that humanity does not suffer invasion of its territories and subjugation of its peoples with all the gentle good humor of lambs being led to the slaughter if they like; they will do so to no avail.  Recall that most still regard Winston Churchill, Davy Crockett, and the men of the USS Arizona heroes for their resistance of failed conquests far less credible than those attempted by Mr. Patel and his third world cohorts. The "racist thugs" of today will be the heroes of tomorrow, just as the multicuturalists thought so well of by the progressives and well-behaved conservatives of today will eventually be considered insane monsters of history in the vein of the Nazis and Communists.

Multiculturalism is worse than murder.  It is even worse than mass murder, being more akin to genocide. It is attempted sociocide.  As for the self-hating fifth columnists who piously mouth PC sacraments like "racists have no place in our society", I suggest they go and try settling in India or Jamaica or Nigeria so they can discover how the people they are so eagerly welcoming to settle in their country truly feel about racial differences.

It doesn't matter in the slightest how one feels personally about these matters.  It doesn't matter how pure-in-heart and anti-racist you believe yourself to be. It doesn't matter that people of various sub-species and races have lived in relative harmony for ten, twenty, or even one hundred years. Cultural friction, like gravity, always wins in the end. History shows, history makes it abundantly clear, that eventually the cultural differences will trigger sufficient violence to restore the violated borders once more.  It is as completely futile to blame "racism" for the inevitable violence as it is to wage war on "terror".  Doing so is a fundamental category error.

Immigration is when a small number of foreigners are permitted to settle within a country by the native people.  Invasion is when tens of thousands or more foreigners settle in a country against the wishes of the native people, regardless of whether they happen to be armed or not. Both Europe and the USA have suffered quiet and undeclared large-scale invasions; only now are the natives beginning to wake up and become restless.

And the reason they will become considerably more violent is explained by Mr. Patel himself: "He said he would consider leaving Britain in the wake of the attack were it not for the fact that his family is so well established here."  In other words, the invaders will not leave until they are forced to do so, as we have seen in India, in Zimbabwe, as we are presently seeing in South Africa, and as we will eventually see in England and the USA.

Now, there is certainly a case to be made that there is no need to harbor any sympathy for the British, considering how they themselves invaded more than half the countries around the world.  But it is blatantly dishonest to pretend the British people are not being invaded against their will, as dishonest as it would be to deny the invasions of the British imperial era.

The honest monohumanist, assuming one can be found, will be inclined to ask "why are you racist?"  To which one can only respond: "on what basis do you assume that this time, for the first time in over six thousand years of recorded history, it will be different?"

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Anonymous RL March 16, 2013 11:40 AM  

"Multiculturalism is worse than murder. It is even worse than mass murder, being more akin to genocide. It is attempted sociocide."

This is the quote of the month. I am going to print it out, tape it up and memorize it for use against the PC types.

Anonymous Heretofore Anonymous March 16, 2013 11:51 AM  

"Immigration is when a small number of foreigners are permitted to settle within a country by the native people. Invasion is when tens of thousands or more foreigners settle in a country against the wishes of the native people."

I call false dichotomy.

Anonymous Salt March 16, 2013 11:54 AM  

The bleeding heart multicultural liberal will never understand.

Anonymous Difster March 16, 2013 11:57 AM  

Of course the British invaded their country first. (Though they were arguably better off for it in the long run).

Anonymous Heretofore Anonymous March 16, 2013 11:58 AM  

Actually, it looks like it's a true dichotomy, but the "tens of thousands" aspect is irrelevant. By his argument, the point at which the number of settling foreigners exceeds the numbers wished for by the natives is where the immigration converts to an invasion.

The amount shifts over time, and can even retroactively increase. (Cf. the Irish invasion of the US in the late 19th century, now considered an immigration.)

Anonymous Foreigner Hereinafter Referred to as "Loki of Asgard" March 16, 2013 11:59 AM  

"Immigration is when a small number of foreigners are permitted to settle within a country by the native people. Invasion is when tens of thousands or more foreigners settle in a country against the wishes of the native people."

I call false dichotomy.


Truly? Explain the dilemma proposed, and describe the third option you think is being concealed.

Anonymous Foreigner Hereinafter Referred to as "Loki of Asgard" March 16, 2013 12:00 PM  

Ah, quick you are.

Anonymous James May March 16, 2013 12:03 PM  

The UK is creating a gulag for themselves, prisoners of their own political correctness. We're talking about a country where a man was arrested for singing "Kung Fu Fighting" after 2 offended Asians walked by the front of a beach bar on the Isle of Wight. Arrested - got that? One might imagine the 200 people on that train had experienced some version of that themselves and saw this victim as a symbol of that.

And the suicide cult is active, alive and well in America. The SFWA actively seeks out and enjoys the racial floggings of writer and member N.K. Jemisin, a devout racist by any other name, or should I say by any other skin.

The fact 100% of mainstream institutions centered around race reside on the political Left is too obvious for the between-the-lines history buffs of the Dem Party.

The British Empire only did better what the Hindu and Muslim Mughal Empires did in India and the British "crime" is that they won. In liberal history books, 2 sieges of Vienna simply never happened and of course no Aztec emperor would have ever had the bad manners to invade and conquer Spain had they the means.

Morality has been conflated with success and is how success itself is a crime and lack of success a font of wisdom from "wise Latinas" who haven't been able to cobble together a Bill of Rights in centuries. Succeed and you fail, fail and you succeed. Next time you sing "Kung Fu Fighting" in the shower, make sure your neighbors can't hear you.

And neighbors, next time someone beats the crap out of you on a train, you might want to consider not teaching guilt by skin, cuz that's an argument that works two ways. Your success at spreading that propaganda becomes its own failure, complete with black eyes.

Anonymous Cryan Ryan March 16, 2013 12:03 PM  

When an Indian hopped a train at the station,
British thugs administered an education,
What he didn't understand,
Was, when he asked for a hand,
The crowd gave a standing ovation.

Anonymous VD March 16, 2013 12:05 PM  

By his argument, the point at which the number of settling foreigners exceeds the numbers wished for by the natives is where the immigration converts to an invasion.

Yes, although I would remove the term "settling" and replace it with "entering". If you disagree with this, how would you distinguish between the two terms?

Do you consider it to be an invasion when a few thousand men debark and set foot on one specific beach, but not an invasion when 50 million families occupy the entirety of a nation?

If 50 million Americans move to Jamaica next year, would you truly not consider it an invasion?

Anonymous Porky March 16, 2013 12:13 PM  

Huge banner being waved on a major freeway overpass all last week causing horrific traffic jams:

"Citizenship Now: We Will Not Wait A Lifetime"



Anonymous James May March 16, 2013 12:20 PM  

Read this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9932108/Britons-afraid-to-challenge-radical-Islam-says-former-Obama-adviser.html

File it under: stupidity, failure, suicide, Orwell.

Blogger tz March 16, 2013 12:25 PM  

I doubt a white man being beaten by anyone would fare better.

Going back, you can find examples of people being murdered while everyone listens but won't be the first.

Meanwhile, our elite say dial 911, don'r defend yourself. It isn't your job. Forget any shreds of christendom.

We've all been reeducated - by the feminized churches - that the priest and levite were the heroes of the story of the Samaritan and the robbery victim on the Jerico road. I would wonder if even most here would do what our Lord was saying or would they do what any of the good little warren dwellers would. You can rationalize anything, and inconvenience seems to summon the hamster in either gender.

You can always find an excuse for sin, particularly sins of omission. Especially if taking action won't cost anything.

I'm only surprised the 4th plane on 9/11 had people saying "Lets Roll".

You see inaction in the face of evil, but realize every foreclosure, every austerity measure, every bit of control is the same as the people who won't act on this bus. When you won't fight on principle and instead only defend your little bit, there won't be any defenders left when they come for you and that which you cherish.

It requires but a few to stand in the gap. But we don't even have that today.

Anonymous The other skeptic March 16, 2013 12:28 PM  

The intro to Sixth Column is so ironic and relevant.

Anonymous Holla March 16, 2013 12:30 PM  

Because Christ.

Viva Papa Francisco!

Anonymous James May March 16, 2013 12:30 PM  

TZ has a point. Liberals say Zimmerman should've stayed in his car. I'm sure all 200 people dialed 911, therefore doing the proper thing. Had they injured or killed one of the thugs, they'd be sitting in a courtroom like Zimmerman. All hail doing the right and proper thing. Let the authorities decide when you can stick your neck out in your own neighborhood. Perhaps some system of "all-clear" sirens can blare - like the Morlocks had.

Anonymous Anonymous March 16, 2013 12:39 PM  

Too bad about that curry being smacked around.

Anonymous Soga March 16, 2013 12:42 PM  

James May:

Quoted from the Telegraph article you linked:

"It is not cultural racism. For better or worse, we live in a free society, and we live in a secular, open society."

Ah, but it IS cultural racism -- at least, as progressives have defined it when using the term against conservatives! Who cares if Islam isn't a race? Progs be raciss.

Note the double standard. If a conservative says the same thing, he's a raciss. If a progressive says it, he's advocating a "free, secular, open society'.

Anonymous jm March 16, 2013 12:43 PM  

You could also argue that no one helped the man because the pigs would have arrested them for causing physical harm to the poor criminals.

And, you know, they're English.

Anonymous Porky March 16, 2013 12:46 PM  

Wait...the guy's a Man U fan? That explains everything. I'd probably have joined in the fun myself.

Anonymous Porky? March 16, 2013 12:49 PM  

Whoa...and he's a bankster?!? Seriously...how is this guy still alive?

Anonymous sprach von Teufelshunden March 16, 2013 1:02 PM  

If anyone wishes to listen an expert on immigration (especially illegal), take a listen to Mike Harris. Harris was a one-time gubernatorial candidate for AZ. AZ being a border state, being quite keen on immigration issues.

I point to these particular podcasts, because his guest is Dr. Preston James. Listen to these two for a couple of hours and have your minds blown, as to what they discuss. If one wishes to point fingers at a culprit, for either our immigration issues or for economic terrorism, then it is encompassed in what Dr. James coins as The Third Force. They also discuss The Beast. A possible super-biological computer. That would certainly play a vital role with a third force.

Harris is also a financial expert, with equal expertise in technology via the semiconductor business, among expertise in politics and government. Dr. James is a retired clinical psychologist, with 35+ years experience counseling some most interesting people, of which he learned what he understands about the world at large to date.

These two just might surprise you as to how they agree how all this might end. (in the temporal sense) And, who (or what) could well bring this all about. Understand, there are "rules of the game," that must be abided by, by both sides of the playing field...

Mike Harris with Dr. Preston James

03-15-13
02-07-13
01-10-13

Anonymous Anonymous March 16, 2013 1:35 PM  

If you invade a country, they will invade you. If you make slaves of a people, they will rule you.

Anonymous The Master Cylinder! March 16, 2013 1:41 PM  

"If you invade a country, they will invade you."

Well, that makes it simple. Time to invade India all over again.

Blogger IM2L844 March 16, 2013 1:43 PM  

If you make slaves of a people, they will rule you.

How does this work when virtually every peoples on earth have, at some point, made slaves of other peoples? Just a merry-go-round?

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum March 16, 2013 1:48 PM  

Because the last of the men of Britain died in the sands of the Falklands back in '82.

Anonymous Anonymous March 16, 2013 1:49 PM  

Obama is President isn't he?

Anonymous zen0 March 16, 2013 2:13 PM  

In this area, a very large amount of Asians have immigrated. The common folk refer to it as "the Asian Invasion". A municipal politician unfortunately used the term common to the people, and was pilloried and reviled. Not by the common people, but by the media.

Anonymous cecilhenry March 16, 2013 2:15 PM  

ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!


Anti-Whites say there should be no White Countries✓
Anti-Whites say there should be no White Towns✓
Anti-Whites say there should be no White Neighborhoods✓
Anti-Whites say there should be no White Anything✓

“Multiculturalism” = WHITE GENOCIDE

Blogger Shimshon March 16, 2013 2:27 PM  

Vox, you've been referring to the "bien-pensant" a lot more recently. Well, I think you've always talked about them, but you used the actual term rarely, if at all, until recently. Either way, a very obvious uptick. Any particular reason?

Anonymous Jack Amok March 16, 2013 2:38 PM  

For people who have a hard time comprehending, the practical difference between immigration and invasion is whether or not the new arrivals adopt the culture of the host nation and abandon allegiance to their former countrymen in favor of allegiance to their hosts. If a family moves to the US from Mexico, insists on learning English, flies the US Flag instead of the Mexican one, learns the notions of liberty that the country was founded on and votes for politicians of any skin color who support those policies, is embarrassed at cholo culture... well, you get he picture, they're immigrants.

I wish we had 50 million of them.

I covered the reasons before, but since we seem to get a steady trickle of new Anonymous drive-byes, I'll lay it out again.

When the number of immigrants is small and the host country offers them very little in the way of welfare or support, the immigrants you get are the ones least happy with the screwed up politics of the Old Country, and most willing to take personal responsibility for their lives. Those people are Americans in spirit, and I'm glad to have them.

When the number of immigrants is large, welfare is handed out like Halloween candy, and anybody who asks the new arrivals to try and fit in called RACISSSSS!!!!!, well, you get invaders. You get people coming to grab as much money as they can, and they have large communities they can live in without changing their culture, and they can maintain their allegiance to their racial groups without consequence (in fact, it's to their advantage to do so).

We can welcome immigrants, but we can't give em welfare and we can't let them (and especially let their children) continue to marinate in their old culture. Well, probably too late to fix it, but next time...

If there is one.

Anonymous Anonymous Man March 16, 2013 2:40 PM  

"But it is blatantly dishonest to pretend the British people are not being invaded against their will, as dishonest as it would be to deny the invasions of the British imperial era."

Someone needs to gain a proper understanding of the word "invaded". Then they need to ask themselves if the Brits who didn't help deserve a country. They clearly aren't civilized.

Anonymous nick digger March 16, 2013 2:41 PM  

Haji Patel shouldn't be too offended. At least the 200 onlookers didn't join in.

Anonymous Sojourner March 16, 2013 2:49 PM  

That's it Vox, make ready a room to rent out cause I'm fleeing California and MOVING IN!

Might take a little to learn Italian though...

Anonymous Anonymous Man March 16, 2013 3:20 PM  

"Do you consider it to be an invasion when a few thousand men debark and set foot on one specific beach, but not an invasion when 50 million families occupy the entirety of a nation?

If 50 million Americans move to Jamaica next year, would you truly not consider it an invasion?"

It's hard not to conclude that the idiot who made this statement has no concept in his head of the difference between "immigration policy" and "invasion".

Let us know when you get your head out of the Hoover.

Anonymous VryeDenker March 16, 2013 3:28 PM  

Italian is easy to learn. You just just frown and gesture a lot.

Anonymous GCM March 16, 2013 3:33 PM  

"Invasion is when tens of thousands or more foreigners settle in a country against the wishes of the native people."

This comment should be examined more closely. The source provides context. The readers can decide for themselves whether the information here supports VD's contention. As an aside, I wonder if VD considers himself an invader since he is migrated to Italy. I wonder if the citizens there object to "another foreigner" in their midst.

http://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/uk-public-opinion-toward-immigration-overall-attitudes-and-level-concern

Now, from what I gather, the person is a British citizen who legally entered the country. A banker. His wife is a teacher. His children are professionals. (More popular migrants according to the source I posted). The family is not sponging off the government, they are contributing members of a society. In reading the comments section of the link provided, most natives were appalled at this cowardly action.

Besides, last time I checked, unbridled violence against a human being is dead set against the principles of the Bible. Please note VD the "Christian" makes no effort to at the very least condemn this unprovoked aggression. Telling, indeed.

Anonymous VD March 16, 2013 3:41 PM  

It's hard not to conclude that the idiot who made this statement has no concept in his head of the difference between "immigration policy" and "invasion".

By your standards, an invasion is acceptable so long as you can find a government figurehead to declare it "policy". Such a meaningful distinction. Of course, if you paid any attention to the history of UK immigration, you'd know that far more people invaded than the policy permitted. You're in well over your head here.

Besides, last time I checked, unbridled violence against a human being is dead set against the principles of the Bible. Please note VD the "Christian" makes no effort to at the very least condemn this unprovoked aggression. Telling, indeed.

Being an invader in an invaded country is, in itself, aggression. I didn't condemn the British people shooting down Luftwaffe planes either.

Anonymous Heretofore Anonymous March 16, 2013 3:53 PM  

"Yes, although I would remove the term "settling" and replace it with "entering". If you disagree with this, how would you distinguish between the two terms?"

One can enter with an intent to leave. The most common example of this is "tourist." (Although some places do feel themselves to be victims of a "tourist invasion," so I acknowledge that it's ambiguous.)

This means that the difference between entering and settling exists only within the mind of the person doing the entering/settling, and there may not be a reliable way for someone on the receiving end to assess this difference (cf. overstaying a tourist visa), but it's a difference nonetheless.

Anonymous Heretofore Anonymous March 16, 2013 4:02 PM  

With respect to a military invasion: the invaders themselves may not intend to stay, but they enter the other land with the intention of enabling someone else to settle, so the intention to stay is present in a larger context. Intention by proxy, perhaps.

Anonymous Heretofore Anonymous March 16, 2013 4:09 PM  

"By your standards, an invasion is acceptable so long as you can find a government figurehead to declare it "policy". Such a meaningful distinction."

If the government genuinely speaks for the people when it says this, then it is acceptable.

Pipe dreams, I know...

Anonymous Porky March 16, 2013 4:15 PM  

It's hard not to conclude that the idiot who made this statement has no concept in his head of the difference between "immigration policy" and "invasion".

By that standard we can consider the German occupation of Vichy France to be "immigration policy".

Brilliant.

Anonymous Anonymous Man March 16, 2013 4:17 PM  

"By your standards, an invasion is acceptable so long as you can find a government figurehead to declare it "policy"."

Immigration policy is not declare by a "figure head". Jesus, get an education. I hope your knives are dull in order to compensate for your mind.

Anonymous Soga March 16, 2013 4:19 PM  

It's an invasion in the same sense as the Mongols having a scheming insider who lowers the drawbridge and opens the gate to let them in so that he can hold a position of power in the Mongol-established regime.

Sure, it's an "immigration policy" because a government figure thought the kingdom was in need of "diversity" because it's "our strength".

Just a deceitful name.

Anonymous Soga March 16, 2013 4:21 PM  

Porky wrote:

By that standard we can consider the German occupation of Vichy France to be "immigration policy".

No, it's "immigration policy" only if Frenchmen (bonus points if they were officials) conspired to let the Germans into France.

Which is exactly what our politicians are doing.

Anonymous Anonagain March 16, 2013 4:27 PM  

Once again, as is always the case when a Leftist slithers into the discussion, the debate is reduced to the other person having to establish that water is wet.

One earnestly hopes that there will come a time when enough people will stop indulging these snakes and simply rip their throats out.

Anonymous ChelmWiseman March 16, 2013 4:32 PM  

Vox: The "racist thugs" of today will be the heroes of tomorrow, just as the multicuturalists thought so well of by the progressives and well-behaved conservatives of today will eventually be considered insane monsters of history in the vein of the Nazis and Communists.

First half of the sentence is wrong Vox...

Two 20 something misfits who beat up an unarmed middle aged man and his daughter will never be anyones heroes. To be a hero requires bravery and (at lest potential) sacrifice, which means attacking someone powerful... not just someone more helpless than you.


Anonymous Alexander March 16, 2013 4:34 PM  

I do not see why this should be an issue. True, many people did nothing. But by the logic of the Muslim apologists, the attack itself was perpetuated by 'a tiny minority' and so it is grossly unfair to attempt to place blame on a large community.

Anonymous Alexander March 16, 2013 4:36 PM  

I suppose the word I was looking for was perpetrated, but the point stats. Tiny minority, ergo it's racist to try and call out the larger group.

Anonymous James May March 16, 2013 4:37 PM  

U.S. immigration policy is run by a bureaucracy, not by consent of the governed. It is not reviewed every year or put up for referendum. It does not respond to dips in employment and seems to have little to do with the real world.

Sure, it's based on a law, but who sets the quotas, how do I have a say? But it is established law.

But the real issue, and one that is decided by a few figureheads who've purposefully agitated to conflate racism with common sense is illegal immigration. Perhaps 8% of our nation is illegals, and in urban clusters, far higher. In what world is that right?

In what world is it right to have mayors and Governors ignore law and their own oaths? How is it racist or "profiling" to acknowledge the entirety of the Third World as a failed system and not want those people transferred here? At least I have observable history and events on my side on that issue.

Other than wishful thinking, there are no observable proofs that the sons of Mayan peasants and Somalians will create the next generation of fast attack nuke carriers or pendulum tethers in near-Earth orbit made from superstrength materials.

We have no shortage of such successful people. If we did, we'd be looking up at the Third World instead of down. It is reasonable to extrapolate that in 100 years we'll be looking at the Third World as equals, having sunk to their level with their own populations comprising 75% of America, and with our own shanty towns.

As Billy Packer used to say, where's the points going to come from once the European demo is pared down? Play your starters, don't worry about their color or diversity. What is the point of diversity? We were already sitting on top of the heap.

America is not a finishing school for the Third World. To treat it as such is, at best, to have what we already did have but with fewer people and less stress on our resources and environment. At worst, we risk the collapse of the West. Where's the winning pot in that ante?

It's lose/lose. Liberalism is a suicide cult but I never signed up for such a pact.

Anonymous dh March 16, 2013 4:44 PM  

The honest monohumanist, assuming one can be found, will be inclined to ask "why are you racist?" To which one can only respond: "on what basis do you assume that this time, for the first time in over six thousand years of recorded history, it will be different?"

This is not a difficult question.

1. We know it's already been different. The "invasion" has been happening at different rates for several decades. Depending on how to define it, perhaps 4 or 5 decades. This is several generations at least. And the country is no closer to dissolving now. We are no closer to mass deportations than before. In short, the status quo is entirely secure. Citizens and newly minted immigrants / invaders are co-existing in the low classes as segregated populations, and in the more civilized and intellectual classes, as tokens or visitors to majority/minority enclaves.

2. There has never been a country setup as the US has, and the unique political system of the post-civil war US is designed to suppress widespread discontent, violence, and to convert revolutionary fervor into political action. The entire political system is designed as a pressure cooker, and the relief value has continued to work well for generations. At not point has the discontent come anywhere near hot enough to trigger the sort authoritarian crack down that provoked revolutions in Syria, and Egypt, for example.

There are many great examples that demonstrate and prove this, I will point out two.

In late 2009 and early 2010 there was massive unrest among a sizable slice of the country. The number of people who were discontented was greater than the number of people who were pro-revolution during the Revolutionary war. Protests were heated but respectful. In 10 months the fervor was converted from a high boil to a low simmer, and a major political push-back ensued. Representatives who embodied the fervor are in office, and are executing the will of the discontented commensurate with their numbers. Far less political discontent brought down both Egypt's and Syria's ruling governments.

In the late 1960's and early 1970's there was even greater discontent, this time even more widespread, against the war and against state overreach into domestic security. And the same thing happened. The fervor was converted into political energy, policies were enacted, and the fervor was converted into standard political capital. A new generation of politicians entered government, and successfully co-opted the revolutionary fervor into political activism. For example, Rep. Bobby Rush, of Chicago, was successfully transformed from an armed reactionary into first a city councilor, and then a US Representative.

History is a great predictor of future events. However, it is not the only predictor. This is obviously true. History does not literally repeat itself - it is not the Spartans and the Persians warring to this day. Instead, it is a pattern. The pattern of rise and fall are repeated, but new patterns are made, and old ones lost. It was a pattern for many centuries that civilizations could be lost from natural disaster - Crete was destroyed by a volcano, a good chunk of Campania was buried the same way. Yet we do not literally fear losing a civilization that way now - by volcano. Instead, we worry about the pattern repeating itself - civilizations being lost because of environmental changes that are unexpected and unplanned for.

Anonymous Porky March 16, 2013 4:46 PM  

No, it's "immigration policy" only if Frenchmen (bonus points if they were officials) conspired to let the Germans into France.

What the hell do you think the Vichy Government did?

Anonymous dh March 16, 2013 4:55 PM  

In what world is it right to have mayors and Governors ignore law and their own oaths? How is it racist or "profiling" to acknowledge the entirety of the Third World as a failed system and not want those people transferred here? At least I have observable history and events on my side on that issue.

What oath did any mayor ever swear to upload Federal immigration policy - not even law by the way - but policy?

Anonymous MendoScot March 16, 2013 5:00 PM  

Read this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9932108/Britons-afraid-to-challenge-radical-Islam-says-former-Obama-adviser.html

File it under: stupidity, failure, suicide, Orwell.


No, file it under trainwreck, hilarity and atheism.

Between the kike and the wops, I thought the wops were better behaved.

Richard Dawkins, the prominent British atheist, has claimed that the university allowed "sexual apartheid" to take place and said "heads should roll".

Indeed, Dicky, indeed.

Blogger Nate March 16, 2013 5:05 PM  

"1. We know it's already been different. The "invasion" has been happening at different rates for several decades. Depending on how to define it, perhaps 4 or 5 decades. This is several generations at least. And the country is no closer to dissolving now. We are no closer to mass deportations than before. In short, the status quo is entirely secure. Citizens and newly minted immigrants / invaders are co-existing in the low classes as segregated populations, and in the more civilized and intellectual classes, as tokens or visitors to majority/minority enclaves."

My God... how blind does one have to be to hold such a narrow view?

DH... do you spend a lot of time on college campuses?

Anonymous Charizard March 16, 2013 5:26 PM  

I'm not so sure, this is Britain we're talking about. These are the same people who let a man drown in a few inches of water because safety regulations forbid rescuing him.

Why ascribe to malice what can be as easily explained by sheep-like indifference?

Anonymous VD March 16, 2013 5:26 PM  

Immigration policy is not declare by a "figure head". Jesus, get an education.

Thus spake the man who has yet to master the past tense. We're clearly dealing with an augmented intelligence here. It amuses, it does.

Two 20 something misfits who beat up an unarmed middle aged man and his daughter will never be anyones heroes. To be a hero requires bravery and (at lest potential) sacrifice, which means attacking someone powerful... not just someone more helpless than you.

They are. They didn't just attack the Indian man, they attacked the entire edifice of the multicultural state that is hunting them even now. And note that they left the daughter alone. If they weren't at least somewhat civilized, if this was just mindless barbarism, they would have raped and likely killed her, like the Indians who gang-raped that girl on the train a few weeks ago.

Anonymous VD March 16, 2013 5:29 PM  

We know it's already been different. The "invasion" has been happening at different rates for several decades. Depending on how to define it, perhaps 4 or 5 decades. This is several generations at least. And the country is no closer to dissolving now. We are no closer to mass deportations than before. In short, the status quo is entirely secure.

(laughs) What part of "one hundred years" did you fail to understand? There have been longer periods of cross-cultural harmony, but they always broke down in the end.

Anonymous p-dawg March 16, 2013 5:33 PM  

@dh: "And the country is no closer to dissolving now."

Really? No closer at all? I suppose that's why there are several states petitioning for secession, eh? Because everyone's SO HAPPY!

La Raza being integrated

Mecha is another organization which uses, itself, the word invasion to describe Mexican immigration into the US. Only they're in favor of it. Do you think that perhaps, when the people you claim are not invading, are themselves telling you that they're invading, maybe you should reconsider your position?

La Raza motivational poster

It's ok to be wrong. Hell, it even happened to me once. (Well, I thought it did, but I was mistaken). It's just not ok to be willfully ignorant once your errors have been pointed out.

Anonymous Anonagain March 16, 2013 5:36 PM  

What oath did any mayor ever swear to upload Federal immigration policy - not even law by the way - but policy?

Typical Leftist liar. First, I notice you failed to address the second question posed in the comment to which you gave your utterly deceptive response - a blather of crap which in no way reflects the reality of the immigration issue.

The unequivocal reality is that all measures by mayors, Governors, and the people themselves to uphold or create any laws that prevent illegal aliens from invading their land are opposed by federal authorities

To anyone except a Leftist lunatic it is clear that the elitists in control of this federal government have an agenda that involves permitting millions of illegals to invade our country.

Anonymous James May March 16, 2013 5:42 PM  

"What oath did any mayor ever swear to upload Federal immigration policy - not even law by the way - but policy?"

What oath did mayors and city councils take to boycott AZ due to AZ's sovereign state laws? What duty is there in such an act? I'll tell you - none. Siding with illegal aliens against legally empowered entities is unlawful, unethical and immoral.

Any law regarding immigration policy not gathered unto the Feds becomes the realm of the state. It is against the law to commit identity fraud in states and cities across America.

And it's not against Fed law to be in America illegally? There is no "policy" when it comes to law other than to obey it. When public official decide their conscience trumps laws which are totally reasonable then there is no law. This issue of conscience vs. law is why liberals make false analogies comparing illegal aliens to slavery and the Nuremberg Trials.

In fact liberals don't have a leg to stand on with this issue other than their own naivete regarding the reality of the Third World and a thing called principle.

When mayors declare it's racist to obey the law then I say go into private practice and stop legislating from your head.

Anonymous The other skeptic March 16, 2013 5:52 PM  

La Raza motivational poster

Maybe they should have left the last sentence out of they couldn't spell.

Anonymous Anonagain March 16, 2013 6:04 PM  

Maybe they should have left the last sentence out of they couldn't spell.

You obviously don't understand these third world brutes. The uncompromising endeavor for precision and accuracy is not exactly a Mexican trait. Mas o Menos would be the motto of their most prestigious school of engineering.

Anonymous ChelmWiseman March 16, 2013 6:50 PM  

Vox: They are. They didn't just attack the Indian man, they attacked the entire edifice of the multicultural state that is hunting them even now.

No they just attacked a middle aged Indian man on the way back from a sports game. The motives you ascribe to them are not necessarily there. There is no evidence that they did anything other than pick a target that would most likely not fight back and attack him. Probably for fun.

...the "edifice of the multicultural state" does not give a crap about them or what they did, beyond the fact that they perpetrated and assault.

IF (and that is a big if) they were doing something political, they were extremely ineffective... again not exactly heroes.

Blogger stareatgoatsies March 16, 2013 6:50 PM  


By his argument, the point at which the number of settling foreigners exceeds the numbers wished for by the natives is where the immigration converts to an invasion.


Vox goes further than that - the n + 1th arrival is when the immigrant converts into an invader, which is obviously an obviously farcical contention if your other 'invasions' are the armed forces of the Third Reich, a Mexican despot, Imperialist Japan and the Third Reich again.

Anonymous GCM March 16, 2013 6:51 PM  

VD--Being an invader in an invaded country is, in itself, aggression. I didn't condemn the British people shooting down Luftwaffe planes either.

False assumption on your part. You are hijacking the definition of a concept (invader) to suit your own purpose. You are using the playbook of Asher. Are you an Aspie? As far as I know, the Indian was a British citizen. He was either born in the country or was a naturalized citizen. He was minding his own business and he was viciously assaulted. There was no aggression on his part. He is a legal member--again, as far as I know--of British society. Where is he entering by force? Who is he conquering? Does he have intent to encroach or intrude? Provide specific evidence from this man's life to prove your contention he is an "invader".

False equivalency on your part--The British were justified in defending their country from Nazi air raids. The British are not justified in enabling their citizens to commit unprovoked, offensive acts against citizens or visitors who are simply sitting on a tram.

Again, it is telling that a supposed Christian is refusing to condemn this brutal, inhumane action while the hailing the perpetrators as heroic. Would members of your congregation or libertarians generally support your position?

Do not forget, by your own metric, you are an "invader" of Italy. Perhaps you should be immediately deported because you constitute a threat as an "unwanted foreigner", lest you get conked over the head by a brick by some deranged Italian transsexual.

Anonymous Godfrey March 16, 2013 7:01 PM  

Why would dumbed down exploited tax paying drones help anyone?

Only members of the ruling class are allowed to show any initiative. If a drone showed initiative, The State would classify him a terrorist.

Anonymous VD March 16, 2013 7:03 PM  

False assumption on your part. You are hijacking the definition of a concept (invader) to suit your own purpose

Not in the slightest. "to enter as if to take possession", "to enter and affect injuriously", "to intrude upon". All of those definitions fit the Indian invasion and none of them are mine. You are, like many an inept interlocutor before you, erroneously insisting that one of the given definitions of a word, (in this case "to enter forcefully as an enemy; go into with hostile intent"), must somehow subsume all of the other definitions provided by the dictionary.

I warned you that you were in over your head here. But like so many others, you were too foolish to listen.

Do not forget, by your own metric, you are an "invader" of Italy.

Oh, am I now? Clearly you know ever so much about me. I suggest you review the citizenship laws of Italy.

Blogger stareatgoatsies March 16, 2013 7:05 PM  

No you see, all VD is saying that some people out there consider them heroes - not that the gentlemen in question are, literally, heroes. The 'edifice of the multicultural state' that Vox contends these thug-worshipers are attacking is not the same EOTMS that exists subjectively for Vox or objectively according the empirically verifiable and logically deducible.

So all very clever as usual, but in service of what? The usual inflammatory rhetoric.

Anonymous VD March 16, 2013 7:09 PM  

...the "edifice of the multicultural state" does not give a crap about them or what they did, beyond the fact that they perpetrated and assault.

Right, that's why it was a major news story. Because an assault after a football game where no one was even injured seriously is big, big news in the UK.

It's easy enough to see if I'm correct or not. If I am, we'll see more of this sort of thing. If I'm not, we won't. Step up and take a position, gentlemen.

It would surprise you what some of the heroes of history were really like; many of them had more than a little in common with these "racist thugs". Now, I very much doubt this particular group will end up one day being portrayed as the lionized defenders of the British people, but it will be someone like them. Remember, Charles Martel himself was a bastard and an escaped prisoner; hardly a fine, upstanding citizen.

Anonymous Papapete March 16, 2013 7:18 PM  

I'm afraid that I must disagree with your thesis that people didn't intervene because they disagree with the official immigration policy. I would contend that they didn't intervene for the same reasons no one intervened or even called the police in the Kitty Genovese murder. Leftists have and are continuing to reinforce the feelings of helplessness in the population, forcing them to cling desperately to government. Self-reliance and intervention are to be discouraged at all costs. I believe that this is the real reason that gun control is so important to them. An armed population is more likely to intervene. This also explains the vilification of "vigilantism". Less reliance on the state is anathema to them. The Brits are two full generations further along the road to serfdom than Americans.

Anonymous James May March 16, 2013 7:27 PM  

To me, "invader" in immigration terms, is when you have hundreds of thousands and even millions who arrive and have no respect, or even disdain, for the people who built the place you want to come to so bad. Up to 20 million may even be here illegally. No respect for our laws from day one.

For people to arrive and declare the place racist will create racists so be careful what you wish for or assert. The sheer arrogance of arriving to a country and acting like it's some multicultural airport lounge at your disposal is stunningly stupid. One of the first things Somali immigrants to MN got was a lawyer to advocate for them rather than resorting to the simple act of getting along with people and assimilating.

In the youtube video of the stoning of Christians in Dearborn, MI, Muslims not even born here tell Americans on camera to go back where they came from and use rocks to back it up. That wasn't just a few bad eggs, it was a large crowd and not a single one tried to stop it. Even a cop on camera, who is Arabic and speaks Arabic, sided with the lawbreakers.

To say I'd take that whole crowd and parachute them back into whatever Third World shithole they came from is an understatement. They bring absolutely nothing to the larger quilt of American life and take quite a bit away. If I can't walk in an American town with a "I love Jesus" t-shirt at a summer festival without a Muslim patrol harassing me then yes, I'm walking among invaders.

The guy on the train did not deserve to get attacked. The problem is one can only tell people they're racist in their own country for so long before they say, "Okay. I am." Maybe more of these ethnic organizations should start taking up for their new country, instead of siding by race. Because if La Raza is simply advocating for last names without right and wrong entering into it, they are creating enemies.

Anonymous ChelmWiseman March 16, 2013 7:33 PM  

Right, that's why it was a major news story. Because an assault after a football game where no one was even injured seriously is big, big news in the UK.

Irrelevant. Fights after football games are usually between people who are looking for a fight. So, no one cares... the news is when there is an assault.. when some attacks a person who is not looking to be involved in the fighting.

It's easy enough to see if I'm correct or not. If I am, we'll see more of this sort of thing. If I'm not, we won't. Step up and take a position, gentlemen.

Just because we will see more violence (and I agree with you that we will) does't mean you are right on this particular point. These guys are not heroes.

It would surprise you what some of the heroes of history were really like; many of them had more than a little in common with these "racist thugs". Now, I very much doubt this particular group will end up one day being portrayed as the lionized defenders of the British people, but it will be someone like them. Remember, Charles Martel himself was a bastard and an escaped prisoner; hardly a fine, upstanding citizen.

Absolutely true and it would not surprise me one bit... but in addition to their thuggery each of those people also did something heroic. Assaulting a middle aged Indian man on a train does not qualify. Perhaps these brave defenders of the English people will in fact do something heroic in their lifetime, but this is not it.

Anonymous Anonymous Man March 16, 2013 8:06 PM  

"Thus spake the man who has yet to master the past tense. We're clearly dealing with an augmented intelligence here. It amuses, it does."

You know what they say about people who respond to typos and not to the argument?

Allow me to respond for you: "help, I"m an idiot and can't get up"

"Not in the slightest. "to enter as if to take possession", "to enter and affect injuriously", "to intrude upon". All of those definitions fit the Indian invasion and none of them are mine."

And up is down. Right is Left. Left is right. You know what they say about people who have to make up new definitions of words in order to make their case!

Let me help you: "Help, I've lied and can't get up."

Blogger tz March 16, 2013 8:16 PM  

In brief, how many readers of this blog would do anything different than the readers of "Whatever"?

But the virtue of Justice requires intervention. A particular person cannot be found guilty of the general evil. The vigil mass tonight has the reading of the woman caught in adultery. Ought we stone all women? Ought we not stop such if it happens? Do we think and treat individuals as individuals, or merely as members of groups, so if you dislike the group you can strip them of all their rights, or at least not defend them.

But then what good are we if we are no different? I've pointed out that Gamma Rabbit is creepy because it represents part of the fall. This is an example.

Many here are well armed with or without weapons. Do they defend those being beaten by the mob? Or not?

A successor post is about the move from Huxley to Orwell. Perhaps we aren't following in the same lane of the wide lane into hell, but are we going the same direction?

It is an equal compromise with the devil to sell out and become part of the evil, or to sell your soul to have him leave you alone on your "island" where you can pretend to worship Jesus within the boundaries.

We are to fight the good fight and rely on our Lord. Not pull punches, choose carefully which things right in front of us to ignore, or otherwise avoid the great war between Satan and Jesus.

For whatever reason this victim was left undefended, it is evil and I denounce it as such. Do what you must to expel the invaders through the usual political and legal channels, but watching while one who may or may not be an invader is beaten means you are as bad if not worse as the invaders. What is the difference? That you will allow worse but different evils?

Liberals say all libertarians, gun owners, traditional family types, religious conservatives, etc. are all the same. Is it not the identical sin to say any person you see - as a member of one of these groups - is "the same"?

The honest monohumanist, assuming one can be found, will be inclined to ask "why are you racist?" To which one can only respond: "on what basis do you assume that this time, for the first time in over six thousand years of recorded history, it will be different?"

The Christian has both a different question and answer. As Chesterton said, Q: "What's wrong with the world?", A: "I am".

Humanism in whatever form tends toward the inhuman. Mensch to "ubermench" which is a monster (or worse, the "uberfrau").

Anonymous Anonagain March 16, 2013 8:25 PM  

Assaulting a middle aged Indian man on a train does not qualify. Perhaps these brave defenders of the English people will in fact do something heroic in their lifetime, but this is not it.

What is obvious is that you do not get to define the basis by which others may consider something heroic.

Considering that the Political Correctness of the Left's Inquisition demeans and vilifies all things Anglo, while promoting and protecting all things dark and turdish, it is highly likely that there are many who are sick and tired of becoming a stranger in their own homeland, of having the multi-culti, diversity BS rammed down their throats by fascist Leftists, and who would absolutely applaud this act as heroic, as a show of defiance against those who those don't give two shits about them, their country nor their culture.

Anonymous Anonymous Man March 16, 2013 8:30 PM  

"Considering that the Political Correctness of the Left's Inquisition demeans and vilifies all things Anglo,"

Oh....Please! Let me guess, you are anglo and hate the fact that the anglos have no jobs, can't find their way into politics, can't control any aspect of commerce and are discriminated at every turn.

LOL

Show me someone who complains about the impact of political correctness on anglos and I'll show you a racist,lazy bum with no commonsense who can't succeed at much more than packing the fridge with beer.

Anonymous Anonagain March 16, 2013 8:38 PM  

Show me someone who can't see the goal of the Left's Political Correctness and I'll show you a delusional Leftist who wouldn't see the truth if it gang-banged him for a month.

Seeing as I can't rip your filthy throat out, I'll just simply ignore you from here on.

Anonymous ChelmWiseman March 16, 2013 8:41 PM  

Anonagain: What is obvious is that you do not get to define the basis by which others may consider something heroic.

Words have meaning. Look up the word heroic in the dictionary. If you can find a definition that would support two 20 something men beating a middle aged man and then running away, I will withdraw my statement.

Anonymous Johnycomelately March 16, 2013 8:47 PM  

So once again the little people will squabble while the elites sit back and enjoy the spectacle from afar.

Empires who practiced population transfers deserve their comeuppance, I for one will not shed a tear for Brittania.


Blogger Lud VanB March 16, 2013 8:51 PM  

are all invasions to be considered onjectionable or just the ones conducted by non-white/non-christians?

Anonymous Anonagain March 16, 2013 8:59 PM  

Words have meaning

You have obviously failed to take into consideration the rest of my comment. Actions and people's reaction to those actions have more meaning than words. This is what is called reality. Again, what is heroic to one group may be villainous to another, and quite often is the case.

Gassing a bunch of Jews in ovens would not fall under the definition of heroic per your dictionary, but I'll bet the Nazis thought they were doing something quite heroic in ridding the world of what they considered to be a pestilence.

Heroics is in the eye of the beholder, not in the pages of a bloody dictionary.

Anonymous VD March 16, 2013 9:04 PM  

You know what they say about people who respond to typos and not to the argument?

No, nor do I care. It's irrelevant, as I responded to your argument and showed that you not only haven't mastered the past tense, you haven't mastered the dictionary.

I have no reason to believe that you simply happened to commit a typo that coincidentally appeared to expose your lack of mastery of the past tense, not when you are clearly unable to grasp multiple applicable definitions of the term "invader".

If you can find a definition that would support two 20-something men beating a middle aged man and then running away, I will withdraw my statement.

They have successfully resisted an entire lifetime of being forcibly steeped in multicultural propaganda. If that is not heroic, nothing is. Are they stupid thugs? Almost surely. And yet, their stubborn, perhaps even thoughtless resistance to their lifelong brainwashing is inspiring.

Is their response ideal? Was their choice of a target optimal? Of course not. Had they beaten up one of the scary thirty-something Asians who groomed and raped dozens of young British girls instead of the upstanding Mr. Patel, far more would view them as heroic. And yet, it would be indicative of precisely the same human spirit that we celebrate in Winston Churchill and King Arthur.

The incident itself is petty and irrelevant. Except, of course, in that it is indicative of a larger theme. I only mentioned it because of the obvious answer to the man's stupid question. Even rabbits don't like their warrens invaded by not-rabbits. How much more, then, should wolves disdain the invasion of their dens?

Many here are well armed with or without weapons. Do they defend those being beaten by the mob?

I think you are failing to understand who is the mob. And I think you do not understand how angry the English people are at becoming foreigners in their own cities.

Anonymous Michael Falk: Autistic Reporter March 16, 2013 9:06 PM  

Yes, but... was the train damaged in any way?

Anonymous VD March 16, 2013 9:09 PM  

are all invasions to be considered objectionable or just the ones conducted by non-white/non-christians?

Yes. I do not subscribe to either the White Man's Burden or the Pax Americana. Considering how often I have written to criticize American and EU imperialism, you'll have to find another angle if you're looking for an excuse to cry raciss.

I don't believe Minnesotans should invade Somalia any more than Somalians should invade Minnesota. Small-scale and limited immigration is fine. History indicates that mass migration and invasion leads to very large-scale violence.

It is shocking how many are concerned about a minor and symbolic beating instead of the coming violence and ethnic cleansing that multiculturalism has made inevitable.

Blogger tz March 16, 2013 9:24 PM  

I think you are failing to understand who is the mob. And I think you do not understand how angry the English people are at becoming foreigners in their own cities.

Did Christ die for every individual in "the mob" or did he not? I do understand how angry the English people are, as I understand how lustful both sexes are under the current feminism. I understand them as grave sin. Jesus forgives when we are repentant, not when we make excuses. Excuses are something Gamma Rabbit does. The English People may be an oppressed warren, but that does not make them either less rabbits nor less destined for hell.

I do not accept the evil behavior of the "English people" any more than I do of the immigrants, African Americans, or anyone else who claims to be an oppressed minority. Especially women.

The mob stoned St. Stephen to death while Saul (later St. Paul) held their coats. Read Acts. Suffering injustice is righteous, ignoring or imposing it is sin.

Blogger mmaier2112 March 16, 2013 9:36 PM  

Well played, Mr. Falk.

Blogger tz March 16, 2013 9:47 PM  

All invasions are objectionable, however it is not an invasion when they are invited. Blame the electors and the elite. If Jamie Daimon or John Corzine was being beaten up I would likely participate and probably find a way to insure it was fatal. Note that both are White.

Violating borders is trespassing. That calls for a just response.

Justice is not randomly attacking anyone. We had a massacre of Sikhs in Wisconsin, and a Mosque burned in Missouri. Justice is to render to the right person his desserts.

Anonymous The other skeptic March 16, 2013 9:54 PM  

It is interesting the Drudge reports that UKIP is causing Cameron problems and the Deutsche Bank says that only Jesus can save the Eurozone.

Has the run on banks outside Cyprus started yet?

Anonymous The other skeptic March 16, 2013 10:01 PM  

These guys did not study their Machiavelli. He said roughly if you have to hurt people, you must never hurt all of them at once.

Anonymous ChelmWiseman March 16, 2013 10:03 PM  

Had they beaten up one of the scary thirty-something Asians who groomed and raped dozens of young British girls instead of the upstanding Mr. Patel, far more would view them as heroic.

And so they would be... because those guys are scary and will hit back when attacked. It would have required courage and possible sacrifice. Instead they beat a guy who pleaded for them to behave while his daughter tried to fight them off.

I agree with the overall theme. There will be more of this.

Anonymous Anonagain March 16, 2013 10:11 PM  

Justice is not randomly attacking anyone. We had a massacre of Sikhs in Wisconsin, and a Mosque burned in Missouri.

I doubt these cases were attempts at achieving any kind of justice. The natives are telling the outsiders in the most direct manner possible that they are NOT welcome, to go away, and to serve as a warning to other outsiders who think they have a right to be there. Not only are these acts against the foreigners, they are open defiance against the PC officials who are permitting this invasion.

I agree that the native Leftist traitors to should be targeted as well. But, I see nothing wrong with making one's invaders as unwelcome as possible. It is a matter of survival, not a popularity contest.

Anonymous Michael Falk: Autistic Reporter March 16, 2013 10:20 PM  

Thankfully, once the Indian man's blood and skin was washed from the floor, the train resumed it's normal operation. The train is fine. There was no serious damage done to the train. The train is fine.

Anonymous GCM March 16, 2013 10:43 PM  

“Small-scale and limited immigration is fine.”

No, VD. Immigrants are NOT welcome on any scale according to your world view. Damn varmints multiply, right? Then those minority miscreants infiltrate the political, economic, and social structure of the host country, right? Within four generations, they are a massive infestation.

You have to make this statement to justify your own unwanted incursion into Italy. To the natives there, American interlopers are the descendants of smut peddlers, tax evaders, and political misfits. VD, be wary of falling bricks. Take heed about my warning about being in over your head. Ironic you have taken refuge in a country whose citizens when they migrated to America en masse in the late 1800‘s were reviled for their swarthy hides and uncouth cultural practices.


“History indicates that mass migration and invasion leads to very large-scale violence.”

It MAY or COULD, but it is not DEFINITE or CERTAIN. Refer to dh’s cogent analysis on the subject.


“It is shocking how many are concerned about a minor and symbolic beating instead of the coming violence and ethnic cleansing that multiculturalism has made inevitable.”

Possible? Yes. Inevitable? No.

The evidence from this study runs counter to VD’s truism.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/10/multiculturalism-uk-research

Anonymous Van March 16, 2013 10:48 PM  

Mr. Falk:

Were any brief cases damaged in the incident? Did anyone have a bag of groceries knocked out of his hands? If so, how many items were in said bag, and were they destroyed?

Anonymous dh March 16, 2013 11:21 PM  

p_dawg
No state has petitioned for secession. A few citizens in some states have. That's all. You are inherently dishonest on this.

The unequivocal reality is that all measures by mayors, Governors, and the people themselves to uphold or create any laws that prevent illegal aliens from invading their land are opposed by federal authorities
Of course. Immigration is a Federal issue. Courts for 200 years have recognized this. Mayors and Governors swear no oath to upload every dictate, law, or policy of the Federal government. That's the whole point of the United States. Federalism.

What oath did mayors and city councils take to boycott AZ due to AZ's sovereign state laws? What duty is there in such an act? I'll tell you - none. Siding with illegal aliens against legally empowered entities is unlawful, unethical and immoral.
It is plainly not unlawful. Mayors and city councils have distinct interests from the Federal government. They have distinct interests from state governments. That's why they exist in the first place. Secondly, "fighting" the law is not inherently unlawful, unethical or immoral. Conscientious objection is an American tradition.

And it's not against Fed law to be in America illegally? There is no "policy" when it comes to law other than to obey it. When public official decide their conscience trumps laws which are totally reasonable then there is no law. This issue of conscience vs. law is why liberals make false analogies comparing illegal aliens to slavery and the Nuremberg Trials.
This is not complicated. A mayor has no more duty to enforce a Federal law than he has to not enforce it. Imagine the Federal government passed a law requiring mayors and their police forces to confiscate guns. I can imagine what the reaction to it would be. "But that's unconstitutional!" Yes. It is just the same as trying to force them to do anything. It's all the same.

Finally, the big winner, from VD:

(laughs) What part of "one hundred years" did you fail to understand? There have been longer periods of cross-cultural harmony, but they always broke down in the end.

The US has been "being invaded" the way you describe for close to a hundred years. Until 1898 there wasn't even a national policy to speak of. Since then the number of legal and illegal immigrants every year has been substantial, and the trend has been increasing levels overall. Small scale attempts are deportation have failed and not significantly changed anything.

The paradigm of unofficially segregated lower classes, that tend to mix more on the way up to middle-upper class has been in place since the end of World War I, at least. Furthermore, there is no sign of any serious reversal coming. Immigration, legal and otherwise ebbs and flows with economic conditions and the conditions of the third and second world nations that feed the engine.

More people, not less, agree that immigration is a net positive. Instead of the increased hostility you predict, it is exactly the opposite. The last third of the country that self-identifies with the party of anti-immigration (which in itself has no serious position to limit legal immigration, only illegal immigration) is in the process of splitting into factions along the issue, meaning roughly half of that already minority fraction will be all that resists even more liberal immigration policy. Political opposition is weakening, not strengthening.

The historical precedents you rely on are interesting, but not applicable. They show an over-reliance on historical patterns that have been proven to be awkward to apply to America.

Immigration is inherently a political issue. You should stay away from politics. It's not your strong suit.

Anonymous dh March 16, 2013 11:25 PM  

Seeing as I can't rip your filthy throat out, I'll just simply ignore you from here on

This is the exact same sentiment of the angry Islamic mobs that other posters on this thread have denounced. The only thing preventing this senseless cultural violence is the internet providing distance. Why shouldn't we just deport you to whatever country your ancestors came from? You obviously want to be a form of American that doesn't have a place anymore.

Anonymous Anonagain March 16, 2013 11:37 PM  

You obviously want to be a form of American that doesn't have a place anymore.

Wishful thinking, Leftist freak. All those guns and ammo are not being bought by Americans who have no place anymore. Your anti-gun hysteria is a recognition of the fact that there are many, many people like me - your enemy.

Anonymous dh March 16, 2013 11:38 PM  

GCM--

It's a losing battle but it's fun to toss aside their weak attempts to "sit back and laugh" (paraphrase, but that's the essence of VD and the others arguments - the big one is coming any day now). The ultimate refutation of all the social unrest is coming theories is that obvious and inescapable. The country started as a far-right religious sectarian egalitarian experiment. And every day since then the political window has been moving leftward. For 200+ years. All of the protections they thought they built into the fabric of the country to prevent the leftward march has been stomped out, and where permanently destroyed by the Civil War, which they definitively lost.

Even the conservative and libertarians are moving inescapably leftward. They "like the cut of Rand Pauls jib" because he filibustered for 13 hours. It's considered winning to get an answer from a nearly omnipotent executive that is exactly opposite of what they wanted to hear. They predict continual successes, but in fact, fail to accomplish anything of substance. Their own politicians live in an echo chamber of self-delusion that is so thick they work themselves into a fervor thinking they are "winning" right up until lose an election that no serious analyst ever thought they had a chance of winning. Their last two significant power-bases - the House of Representatives and the state governorships - are predicated on two dueling failures. The first is intense gerrymandering, which cannot be sustained long-term. It can slow the electoral transformation, but not for long. The national vote on the House of Representatives strongly tilted leftist. Control was retained only through favorable distracting. Not this decade, and maybe not the next one, but inevitably it will be naturally rectified (and perhaps sooner, through their own ineptitude in wielding power). The second is predicated on politicians who shun the national platform when they have to, and simply build strong cults of personality. Governors like Gov. Chris Christie, who are themselves more liberal than liberals of only one or two generations ago.

Culturally they are also losing. For decades they have predicted that multiculturalism will destroy the country. And they have done their best to make it happen. But it hasn't happened, and it's not closer to doing so.

Every attempt they have made to wedge the issue has failed. Less 12 years ago a Democrat lost the nomination for the Presidency because he supported civil unions in Vermont. Today, no Democratic candidate could win the nomination without supporting gay marriage. It is likely that no candidate for President will appear on the ballot of a major party ever again without supporting or at least tolerating gay marriage. Where just 4 and 8 years ago this was a wedge issue against the left, it is now a wedge issue for the left.

All they have remaining is to predict a catastrophically bad end, and to do anything they can make it happen. They claim to simply just be watching, but in reality, they have their fingers on the scale, desperately pushing against the tide of an inexorable leftward march.

Anonymous dh March 16, 2013 11:43 PM  

Wishful thinking, Leftist freak. All those guns and ammo are not being bought by Americans who have no place anymore. Your anti-gun hysteria is a recognition of the fact that there are many, many people like me - your enemy.
Anti-gun hysteria? Hardly. It's just not accurate.

The guns and ammo are sales are being driven largely by the two phenomenon - casual shooters who are involved in shooting as a social event - [link: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/27/us/selling-a-new-generation-on-guns.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0], and panic buying by people like yourself who are being exploited to sell more guns and ammo before they're made illegal.

Gun ownership is not threat to the left. We've already been pushing the country leftward for 200 years, and you still haven't started the shooting. And we have just as many guns [see: Vermont]. If you haven't started yet after all of the humiliations and provocations, it will never happen. I mean, you really think the fathers of all those white women who bear bastard half-minority babies don't own guns? If that won't push a man to revolution, literally nothing will.

You lose. When you die, you will be replaced by a minority race American. Or more likely, three of them.

Anonymous The other skeptic March 17, 2013 12:00 AM  

You lose. When you die, you will be replaced by a minority race American. Or more likely, three of them.

I can see that dh's true character is showing through.

It doesn't matter. Lamp posts don't care.

(Whenever I see a white or Chinese female with a minority male I know that their offspring are going to fail. Stupid women.)

Anonymous Anonagain March 17, 2013 12:04 AM  

All they have remaining is to predict a catastrophically bad end, and to do anything they can make it happen. They claim to simply just be watching, but in reality, they have their fingers on the scale, desperately pushing against the tide of an inexorable leftward march..

Considering that all inexorable leftward marches end in inexorable disasters, it is not so much a prediction as it is a conclusion.

Leftists never admit fault nor take responsibility for their endless failures and the misery they cause. Your temporary success depends solely on the length of time that you can manage to evade reality and lie to the people.

One is hardly surprised at your delusional analysis, which is akin to the pronouncements of "all's well" from a man who decided to free fall from the 80th floor of a building. You will splat all over the pavement. Never mind. Your fellow Leftist freaks will blame that damned cement which had no right to be there, then march right up that building and do it all over again, because THIS time, they'll get it right. Except you bastards take everyone down with you.


Anonymous James May March 17, 2013 12:10 AM  

DH, you have devolved into glib nonsense. Mayors are frickin' mayors. Whoopdeedoo. Who'd ever have figured out their main duty is to manage a city? I never said otherwise. I said those cities lawfully interact with the state and the state in turn with Feds and so of course they are upholding law in variety of jurisdictional levels.

You talk semantic gibberish about duty and law and what it is a mayor does which is apparently to micromanage a response to what another frickin' state does.

Being contrary for it's own sake quickly falls down into pedantry that doesn't make any sense. Your informal history of American immigration wasn't even recognizable as reality.

What I said goes. You not only haven't picked it apart but not even really addressed any issue other than to show a desire to disagree which rides above your ability to actually do so.

Anonymous Anonagain March 17, 2013 12:10 AM  

You lose. When you die, you will be replaced by a minority race American. Or more likely, three of them.

You never know. Maybe I'll have a chance to blow your head off first.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 12:13 AM  

I can see that dh's true character is showing through. It doesn't matter. Lamp posts don't care.
Who do you think the lamp posts are in this equation?

(Whenever I see a white or Chinese female with a minority male I know that their offspring are going to fail. Stupid women.)
Do you think that people with IQ's of 85 live any less fulfilling, any less valuable lives than those with IQ's of 115?

It's over for your type. You are a demographic dead-end. Every generation has fewer and fewer. The stabilization point will be here in a few more generations. Your type will be a nice contributor to society but you won't be driving things. In fact, you haven't been for quite a long time.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 12:17 AM  

Being contrary for it's own sake quickly falls down into pedantry that doesn't make any sense. Your informal history of American immigration wasn't even recognizable as reality.

What I said goes. You not only haven't picked it apart but not even really addressed any issue other than to show a desire to disagree which rides above your ability to actually do so.


You claimed a specific thing - that mayors electing to not conform to Federal law - as in, not enforce or, and not pursue policies in comity with Federal law - was unethical, immoral and unlawful. You can try to slink away from this utterly unsupportable claim, but I know you can't defend it because it's indefensible.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 12:20 AM  

You never know. Maybe I'll have a chance to blow your head off first.

Well, I suppose that's true. But given that the rage of the 101st keyboarding patriots rebels has proven to both as yellow as it is impotent, it seems that you'll more likely skulk around for a few more minutes, spout some more rage demons, maybe post some more unsupportable silly nonsense, and then simply go-away. And mean while, the game goes on. And everyday your power decreases. Just in the time you have posted this, the mix of Anglo, conservative, male Christians has been diluted by another minority racing across the border, another illegal overstaying her visa, and another anchor baby birthing in the delivery room.

Sleep tight. Every morning when you wake know that a little bit more of the America you wish for is dead, and a little more of the America you fear encroaches.

Anonymous Anonagain March 17, 2013 12:37 AM  

Sleep tight. Every morning when you wake know that a little bit more of the America you wish for is dead, and a little more of the America you fear encroaches.

Actually, your tiny little mind sees too narrowly and too short of a time span. Every morning when I wake, I see that my God was right on target as everything in Revelation is unfolding as predicted. Evil is good, good is evil, knowledge is increased and the globalization is happening. As horrible as it is, I marvel at the obvious and direct proof of His Truth.

It is getting darker and darker, but the dawn will arrive. It is you and your type who have so very much to fear - it will not be who replaces you when you die.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 12:39 AM  

Actually, your tiny little mind sees too narrowly and too short of a time span. Every morning when I wake, I see that my God was right on target as everything in Revelation is unfolding as predicted. Evil is good, good is evil, knowledge is increased and the globalization is happening. As horrible as it is, I marvel at the obvious and direct proof of His Truth.

It is getting darker and darker, but the dawn will arrive. It is you and your type who have so very much to fear - it will not be who replaces you when you die.


Right, now go back and re-read your posts and square that with your God and his divinely inspired revelations.

Or was I wrong, and you are a Muslim? That would explain a lot. It's hard to tell based on your actions here.

Anonymous Anonagain March 17, 2013 12:50 AM  

My desire to kill your type is justified by the natural hate that those who love God would have for reprehensible and vile creatures such as yourself. You are not my personal enemy, you are the enemy of God and everything that's good and decent. Like I said, as I can't rip your filthy throat out, I'm done with you.

You are wrong about everything, freak. You were born wrong, you are now wrong, and you most likely will be wrong the day you die.

Anonymous DonReynolds March 17, 2013 12:55 AM  

I get a chuckle from time to time....if only Hitler, or Stalin, or Mao had only known....how simple and easy it is to INVADE THE UNITED STATES (and the UK, and France, and Italy, etc). No need for tanks, or guns, or large armies of combat soldiers. No need for warships, or aircraft, or vengence weapons. All you need to do is send unarmed panhandlers, beggars, weakminded agricultural workers, and shoddy tradesmen across the border into the country to be invaded. Seduce the commercial class with cheap labor and through them the Liberal news media. Hire lawyers to keep the ball in the air for years. Ignore court orders of deportation. If actually deported, return the next day or the next week, ready to grap another two fists full of American soil to claim as your own.

It is not racism to resent being invaded. These feelings are common with any people who are invaded by another culture intent on destroying them and subjegating them.....can we say enslave them? Even when the East Franks (Germans) invaded the West Franks (French) repeatedly, there was little to say that the conflict was racial, even though language alone does not distinguish the two. What is at stake, my good friends, is a culture and the ability of a people to rule themselves. Fail in this struggle, and you will have no country. What we want is the same thing everyone else wants.....to prevail in our own land. Our self-determination is to be Americans and the invader is intent to making that impossible. We must act to make that possible and we cannot expect anyone to do it for us. There is nothing new in this. We all know how it will end and it will not include buying the world a Coke.

Anonymous The other skeptic March 17, 2013 12:58 AM  

"(Whenever I see a white or Chinese female with a minority male I know that their offspring are going to fail. Stupid women.)"
Do you think that people with IQ's of 85 live any less fulfilling, any less valuable lives than those with IQ's of 115?


Heh. 85 is the average for AfAms, and they are highly more likely to commit crime than Asians or whites. As to more fulfilling or valuable lives, I do think that those with an IQ of 115 are more valuable to civilization.

It's over for your type. You are a demographic dead-end. Every generation has fewer and fewer. The stabilization point will be here in a few more generations. Your type will be a nice contributor to society but you won't be driving things. In fact, you haven't been for quite a long time.

It is interesting that Ashkenazi Jews have high IQs. Their contributions are questionable.

In any event, things seem set to change, and, as the Chinese say, when you live in interesting times, low IQ minorities find it difficult to survive.

Anonymous Angry March 17, 2013 12:58 AM  

I find guys like dh to be so hilarious. They really think they are in partnership with all of these dusky hoards in remaking America into some tolerant utopia. The reality will be very different when these minorities sweep them from power and install their own people in place of the white liberal. Are you a Democrat, dh? You will become a minority in your own party a lot faster than the rest of us will become minorities in our own country.

This rising tide of color has every intention of drowning you.

I can see it now. Some white liberal faggot making his long winded argument, while his Latina opponent exclaims "I am one of you" thus winning the election while the white liberal goes skulking back to his increasingly expensive enclave, as it becomes almost impossible to afford his gated community.

America is, after all, where white people are. If there are no whites, then there is no America.

You will learn that the hard way.



Anonymous Anonymous Man March 17, 2013 1:04 AM  

"I have no reason to believe that you simply happened to commit a typo that coincidentally appeared to expose your lack of mastery of the past tense, not when you are clearly unable to grasp multiple applicable definitions of the term "invader"."

Dance, Hoover-boy, Dance!!

Anonymous James May March 17, 2013 1:13 AM  

Here's just the first thing I ran into, a primer for children.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/report-stockbridge-mayor-violated-city-charter-sta/nTF9G/

The idea mayors live in some vacuum sacrosanct from Fed. law is to dumb to contemplate. And it is immoral and unethical to provide sanctuary to illegal aliens. What can I say to someone too dumb to understand the basic concept of law? Any mayor is subject to a wide variety of Fed. law such as workplace discrimination and a hundred others. They must obey and enforce such law.

Kwame Kilpatrick was indicted under Fed racketeering laws. Had the Feds the resolve, they could do the same in regard to illegal immigration. A corrupt DOJ doesn't define law, ethics or morals.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 1:28 AM  

The idea mayors live in some vacuum sacrosanct from Fed. law is to dumb to contemplate. And it is immoral and unethical to provide sanctuary to illegal aliens.
Moving the goal posts. Loser. Your link is also dumb. The very first thing in it is how the mayor is accused of violating the charter. How is that relevant?

What can I say to someone too dumb to understand the basic concept of law? Any mayor is subject to a wide variety of Fed. law such as workplace discrimination and a hundred others. They must obey and enforce such law.
Surely.

That's not the same as saying they have a duty to enforce Federal laws, or that passing laws that are at odds with Federal laws or policy is unlawful.

Any mayor is subject to a wide variety of Fed. law such as workplace discrimination and a hundred others. They must obey and enforce such law.
You are really idiotic. Being subject to a low, and being required to enforce a law, are two entirely different things. Do mayors or their police enforce OSHA regulations? Do mayors or their police Federal food inspection policy? Do mayors or their police enforce Federal racial quotas? Child workplace safety laws? You should just stop. You are embarrassing yourself.

Kwame Kilpatrick was indicted under Fed racketeering laws. Had the Feds the resolve, they could do the same in regard to illegal immigration. A corrupt DOJ doesn't define law, ethics or morals.

So let's get down to it here. You support authoritarian central control as long as the authoritarian abuse of power is for a policy you happen to like.

Of course, if the Left would use the same argument to say, enforce gay marriage, ban guns, install speech codes, or say, enact Sharia, it would be rightly decried here as statism and tyranny.

Anonymous James May March 17, 2013 1:28 AM  

Angry has it exactly right. People in and from the Third World have no interest in concepts like the greater good. They come from a dog eat dog world with no tradition of philanthropic endowments. Just try and find a public library in Rio de Janeiro, a city with a larger population of 10 million.

In MPLS-St. Paul, an area whose larger population is 1/5 of Rio, they're everywhere. Third Worlders will vote by name and skin. La Raza, Pacific-Islander Groups, Asian Caucuses, and on and on, are all arrayed against European Americans.

Even in America, within our own institutions, just try and disagree with Ta Nehesi-Coates at the Atlantic during one of his race obsessed articles - even mild disagreement. Your comment will be censored. Multiply that by 100 such sites. These uplifted Affirmative Action morons have no more idea of what a dialogue actually is than a cat. They can use the word "dialogue," they insist on it, but don't really understand or use the concept. You think that's a paradigm of Democracy? I say it's the beginning of an ethnic Tower of Babel that will sink this country.

Liberals enable that and hasten their own cultural suicide, secure in the knowledge that everyone from everywhere is just the same, which is why time-keeping at sea was simultaneously discovered all over the world at once.

There is no tradition of the Magna Carta or Bill of Rights in the Third World. Their infrastructure is a Bizarro and decrepit copy of Western tech. Take away the West and people in Rio would be using a horse and buggy to go to work. They're riding donkeys in the suburbs of Cairo right now. Of course you have to actually travel to know such things. Otherwise you have nothing more than wishful thinking based on fantasy.

Kathmandu is one giant pot hole, as ugly a city as they come. Who's making them do that? Why will a long plane ride to America alter that? NYC 100 years ago was more modern than Cairo today.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 1:30 AM  

I find guys like dh to be so hilarious. They really think they are in partnership with all of these dusky hoards in remaking America into some tolerant utopia. The reality will be very different when these minorities sweep them from power and install their own people in place of the white liberal. Are you a Democrat, dh? You will become a minority in your own party a lot faster than the rest of us will become minorities in our own country.
Depending on how you believe, I already am a minority in my party. I've already been in the gender minority for a while. And so what?

America is, after all, where white people are. If there are no whites, then there is no America. You will learn that the hard way.

Guess, it's already this way where we live. We are fine with it. And yes, we all get it. Old White America is dying. It makes us happy.

In another generation the last remnants of your base will be over. For good.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 1:36 AM  

Just try and find a public library in Rio de Janeiro, a city with a larger population of 10 million.

You should really just stop. Rio has a public library that is in the top 10 in the world. It's not quite as big as the New York public library.

Even in America, within our own institutions, just try and disagree with Ta Nehesi-Coates at the Atlantic during one of his race obsessed articles - even mild disagreement. Your comment will be censored. Multiply that by 100 such sites. These uplifted Affirmative Action morons have no more idea of what a dialogue actually is than a cat. They can use the word "dialogue," they insist on it, but don't really understand or use the concept. You think that's a paradigm of Democracy? I say it's the beginning of an ethnic Tower of Babel that will sink this country.

You are posting this on a thread where people openly complain that they regret they are unable to shoot dissenters in the head.

Liberals enable that and hasten their own cultural suicide, secure in the knowledge that everyone from everywhere is just the same, which is why time-keeping at sea was simultaneously discovered all over the world at once.

Right. A very long, slow suicide apparently. That has taken over 200+ years to complete, and will likely take another few hundred. A suicide indistinguishable from the status quo.

Anonymous DonReynolds March 17, 2013 1:47 AM  

jm..."You could also argue that no one helped the man because the pigs would have arrested them for causing physical harm to the poor criminals.

And, you know, they're English."

Just to let you know my own similar experience on the train from Rostock to Hamburg (Germany, 2010). I heard a commotion at the back of the passenger car and saw a very tall bald (skinhead) beating a much smaller young woman. The Germans in the railcar also heard the screaming and yelping with every slap, punch and kick of this woman. I went to the back of the car and opened the door with a crash and said that I wanted to know what in hell is going on here. The skinhead seemed a bit amused by my intrusion, but since I could not speak German and he could not speak English, we had a bit of a communication problem. After a few moments of screaming at each other....he did figure out that I was Anglander....then several young people showed up who explained to me that she was his girlfriend and it was OK if he beat her. I pointed to the unlucky woman and said, it was only OK if she says so. So they explained what I had said in English to the sobbing woman and she responded it was OK and there was nothing for me to be worried about.....he is often that way. After a few huffs, I returned to my seat.

The Germans in the railcar never looked back to see the drama. They did not want to be included or involved, and they were glad when it was all over. The skinhead and his friends went to another railcar and the nosey American was back in his own seat. THAT, my good friend, is why the other passengers did not join in the fun nor did they try to stop it. This seems to be a European thing, although I am unconvinced the same thing has not happened thousands of times in the US as well. We have all seen and heard of people on public transit being beat within an inch of their lives (and worse) while the driver and the rest of the passengers watched or recorded the event on their cell phones. Maybe they were just glad it was not their turn this time.

Anonymous Anonagain March 17, 2013 1:54 AM  

You are posting this on a thread where people openly complain that they regret they are unable to shoot dissenters in the head.

Of course, you and your type are no mere dissenters, as you've proven in this thread alone.

Guess, it's already this way where we live. We are fine with it. And yes, we all get it. Old White America is dying. It makes us happy.

Your type wants to eliminate my type. The desire to shoot your type in the head is self-defense. Of course, you are craven vermin who expect us to die without a fight because your type could never win in a fight fair, and you know it.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 1:56 AM  

DonReynolds--

It is not an uncommon observation, and research to date backs it up, that minorities - especially blacks and hispanics - are many times more likely to act as a "hero" in such situation. It could be cultural of course.

This got a lot press in 2010 after a TED presentation that discussed the search. http://blog.ted.com/2011/02/03/phil-zimbardo-and-the-heroic-imagination-project-ted-blog-exclusive-video/

Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 2:00 AM  

Your type wants to eliminate my type. The desire to shoot your type in the head is self-defense. Of course, you are craven vermin who expect us to die without a fight because your type could never win in a fight fair, and you know it.

Untrue. I do not have to "eliminate" you, you are eliminating yourself. Stating factual truth does not make it mean, or nasty. Truth is just truth. Your demographic is dying out.

The fact that this meets my approval just makes me a minor cruelty specialist. Nothing more.

Why would the left provoke a long costly violent confrontation, when your type is being overwhelmed, and self-selecting to die out?

Look at this way. The very smartest of your ilk, a true leader in the conception and thinking of what the demographic reality is has self-deported. That's the beginning, middle and end of it. I don't have to want to kill you. You are killing yourself.

It is more likely that your offspring will marry a minority than it is that they will more conservative or libertarian than you.

As you will note, I have never not once suggested the left or myself or anyone participate in violence.

Anonymous James May March 17, 2013 2:04 AM  

You're just trolling now. I've been to the National Libary in Rio and lived there. How far to a second library? That was the point. You'll just disagree with anything I say and give back some limp response.

DH, you're a liar. If I told you tomorrow you'd have to spend the rest of your life in Detroit's inner city, Guatemala City or Kathmandu, you'd start screaming. It's as simple as that. The essence and lie of PC is to deny where success comes from while at the same time holding onto those white neighborhoods as tightly as one can. That's why liberals are endemic liars. Rhetoric is one thing, backing it up with one's actions another.

The idea that John Scalzi or you would ever live in non-white areas of America or the world is a laugh. Scalzi would never dare risk his family in such a fashion, at the exact same time he'd never admit it was a risk in the first place. That's lying and doublethink all rolled into one.

You're not fine with it at all, not in fact. Every black celebrity in America moves as far from black folks as fast as they can when their bank account lets them

They whine about white racism out of one side of their mouths but with their feet say the complete opposite. That's why PC is simply an empty lie that amounts to nothing more than saying don't call fat people fat. Guess what? They're still fat.

at the exact same time he'd never admit it was a risk in the first place. That's lying and doublethink all rolled into one.

And what the hell does a comment here have to do with censoring the slightest disagreement at The Atlantic?

Ironically I've lived in non-white countries I doubt you ever would and that's the final laugh about trolls, liars and idiocy.

Anonymous Angry March 17, 2013 2:12 AM  

"Guess, it's already this way where we live. We are fine with it. And yes, we all get it. Old White America is dying. It makes us happy.

In another generation the last remnants of your base will be over. For good."

Really? It's like that where you live? Do you live in Detroit? Is your city government completely controlled by nonwhites and are all of your neighbors nonwhite?

Or, do you live in some all-white enclave in a cosmopolitan blue-state city, unable to see anything past your own navel, where $600,000 starting prices for homes and regulations preventing multi-family housing keep the nonwhites at a comfortable distance? That is usually where your type exists.

The only "Old White" America that is over is liberal white America. Your kind is in true demographic decline, with your one half-autistic, underweight designer kid at 35. The future does not belong to you because you fail to show up.

I even approve of abortion, homosexuality and terrorism because each of these policies cull the population of Democrats. I still can't understand why Republicans insist on fighting the War on Terror when the only victims of terrorism are Democrats.

Democrats want to breed with nonwhites? No problem. Just more culling.

I support any liberal policy that destroys a progressive.

Anonymous Anonagain March 17, 2013 2:20 AM  

Angry March 17, 2013 12:58 AM

You will learn that the hard way.


They never learn. Right now, the perfect example of Leftist ideology in its purest form, North Korea, is blustering with its nukes (technology given to them by Leftists here). Do you imagine that if NK were to fire off a nuke to California, that Leftists would suddenly see the evil that is their ideology, and that of those who aided and abetted them?

No, they'd exploit the disaster to impose more Leftist fascism over the people and their property - to become more like NK. They'd love it. Death, poverty, misery, cruelty, and injustice are not deterrents to a Leftist. After all, it follows them wherever they go, therefore one must assume these are actually their goals.

While the individual Leftist may die as a result of the ruinous ideology, the ideology itself will never die until God obliterates it from the face of the Earth - it is the political ideology of evil.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 2:29 AM  

You're just trolling now. I've been to the National Libary in Rio and lived there. How far to a second library? That was the point. You'll just disagree with anything I say and give back some limp response.
You implied there we no libraries. They have a world class library. I've visited there, briefly, and been to the library. This is the second obvious mistake you've made. I mean, I am not even arguing that Rio isn't a world class shithole. It was foul. I wouldn't want to live there. But why say things which are provably false? And then try to move the goal posts? It's just stupid, and bizarre. And weak.

DH, you're a liar. If I told you tomorrow you'd have to spend the rest of your life in Detroit's inner city, Guatemala City or Kathmandu, you'd start screaming. It's as simple as that. The essence and lie of PC is to deny where success comes from while at the same time holding onto those white neighborhoods as tightly as one can. That's why liberals are endemic liars. Rhetoric is one thing, backing it up with one's actions another.
I tend not to lie. But you are right. I would absolutely scream. I do not want to live near low-class minorities. Detroit? Been there. Wouldn't live there. I've never been to Kathmandu, but I suspect it's not bether than Karachi, which is a shithole. Did you not read my post above? I've posted about it in the past as well. I believe strongly that people have a right to segregate themselves. Given that, I do live in an area and a community that is both "gated" (not literally, but it is geographically isolated so gates are irrelevant) and diverse. Because at the top end of the class structure people mix well.

And all this is not to say that I would support uncontrolled immigration. I do believe strongly that we need to tie aggressive controls to economic conditions. Supply and demand doesn't lie, and we have a major employment problem right now.

However, it is not dishonest to suggest, as I have, that lower-class people should probably self-segregate. It is not dishonest to say that immigration legal and illegal isn't going to kill the country. It is not dishonest to say that we've had sustained periods of high immigration on and off for over a hundred years. It's not dishonest to point out that the chicken little crowd has failed to state any persuasive case why the American system will fail, when it hasn't failed yet, and while it has persisted despite many more serious challenges.

The idea that John Scalzi or you would ever live in non-white areas of America or the world is a laugh. Scalzi would never dare risk his family in such a fashion, at the exact same time he'd never admit it was a risk in the first place. That's lying and doublethink all rolled into one.
So?

You're not fine with it at all, not in fact. Every black celebrity in America moves as far from black folks as fast as they can when their bank account lets them
So?

Ironically I've lived in non-white countries I doubt you ever would and that's the final laugh about trolls, liars and idiocy.
I was born and left a country that is full of more ethnic division, tribalism, and strife than most people will ever visit. I dealt with religious fanaticism that is more real and violent than most people could stomach. Since then I have lived for short period of times in South America, Central America, Japan, Singapore, England, Morocco and Ghana. And guess what? I prefer the United States. By a long margin. I enjoyed things about each place I lived, with the exception of Ghana. But the big question, is so what?

The theme of this post and many like it are are "White people are the minority and bad things are happening".

Anonymous Angry March 17, 2013 2:34 AM  

Anonagain,

"Do you imagine that if NK were to fire off a nuke to California, that Leftists would suddenly see the evil that is their ideology, and that of those who aided and abetted them?"

If a NK nuke was successfully launched against California, then would it even matter? Who would care, outside of no-nothing Republicans who somehow think California is a part of America? Is losing San Francisco or Los Angeles really a loss? Well, I'd guess I'd be angry at a North Korean thinking he is any better than the Leftist's he killed, but that's about it.

Leftism is the politics of self-annihilation, which is why Leftism seeks to impose itself on the unwilling: to hide the rot that would result. Imagine a policy where abortion was legal for Democrats but illegal for Republicans. The result is a bunch of dead democrat babies while Republicans have large and fruitful families. This result is across the board for all Leftist policies, which is why it is so important to Leftists for Right-wingers to adopt left-wing views.

Anonymous Anonagain March 17, 2013 2:35 AM  

I was only pointing out your murderous hypocrisy, dh. Consider your throat ripped out and you are now bleeding to death. That is my reply to the BS lies in your response. There is nothing left to say.

Anonymous Barko Ramius March 17, 2013 2:37 AM  

"You should really just stop. Rio has a public library that is in the top 10 in the world."

Oooh, golly gee..let's all go down there and tour that fine, literate nation, and perhaps place bets on who gets kidnapped for a week and drained of their bank accounts first.
YOU should stop.

dh:
"We are fine with it. And yes, we all get it. Old White America is dying. It makes us happy."

And this:
"Or was I wrong, and you are a Muslim? That would explain a lot. It's hard to tell based on your actions here."

Why do hate Muslims?
They are drawn to the West for coin mostly. Open door policies from rodents like you made settling and overtaking host nations easier. You cant blame them for taking advantage of gates opened by self hating parasites like yourself.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 2:37 AM  

Really? It's like that where you live? Do you live in Detroit? Is your city government completely controlled by nonwhites and are all of your neighbors nonwhite?

Or, do you live in some all-white enclave in a cosmopolitan blue-state city, unable to see anything past your own navel, where $600,000 starting prices for homes and regulations preventing multi-family housing keep the nonwhites at a comfortable distance? That is usually where your type exists.


This isn't exactly the case but it's not to far from the truth. At the top end of the class scale it gets diverse again, because of the small denominator. Go down a little bit and it's back to all white, all black, all asian, etc. I was there not long ago.

The point is so what?

This country has been self-segregating for 50 years now. The lower-classes and ethnic classes peel off into insular communities. The middle classes start to mix around the edges, esp. in more mature communities with many 2nd or 3rd generation middle class minorities. These are the Cosby minorities. It's a small number - maybe 10-20%. And this is where most middle to middle-upper class white liberals come from.

I even approve of abortion, homosexuality and terrorism because each of these policies cull the population of Democrats. I still can't understand why Republicans insist on fighting the War on Terror when the only victims of terrorism are Democrats. Democrats want to breed with nonwhites? No problem. Just more culling. I support any liberal policy that destroys a progressive.
It would make you feel better if this were true, it's just not. The low-class blacks and minorities are still growing. Same with the lower-middle and middle-class.

This is way beyond party. Do you really think that to a leftist like myself I care if you are called a Democrat or a Republican? I couldn't care less. You call yourself whatever you want. The party is moving leftward. Continually. The Democrats are moving leftward. Continually. What does it matter? Either way, we are going towards the left.

You understand the Republicans are fighting and losing cultural battles daily? That you haven't won anything. Abortion - the #1 issue of the Religious Right has been enemy number #1 for four decades. They call it winning when they make the abortion providers have medical standard facilities, or when you need a note from mommy and daddy. You've redefined winning to the point where many more "wins", and the Republicans will be left of 1970's Democrats.


Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 2:39 AM  

Why do hate Muslims?
They are drawn to the West for coin mostly. Open door policies from rodents like you made settling and overtaking host nations easier. You cant blame them for taking advantage of gates opened by self hating parasites like yourself.

Muslims are more likely to talk about killing their enemies.

You are somehow mistaken into thinking I support unrestricted borders. That's the libertarian position, not mine.

Oooh, golly gee..let's all go down there and tour that fine, literate nation, and perhaps place bets on who gets kidnapped for a week and drained of their bank accounts first.
YOU should stop.

So what it's a shithole. Why lie about them not having libraries? The world is full of shithole's with libraries. It proves nothing, adds nothing. Why lie about it?

Anonymous Anonagain March 17, 2013 2:40 AM  

If a NK nuke was successfully launched against California, then would it even matter? Who would care, outside of no-nothing Republicans who somehow think California is a part of America? Is losing San Francisco or Los Angeles really a loss? Well, I'd guess I'd be angry at a North Korean thinking he is any better than the Leftist's he killed, but that's about it.

I am in total agreement with that. A nuking, followed by the San Andreas Fault completely breaking off and the whole filthy Leftist hellhole being dumped into the Pacific would be a good thing. But, that's besides the point I was making which was that Leftists never learn from the disastrous consequences of their ideology.

Anonymous Anonagain March 17, 2013 2:43 AM  

Libraries built by the Boys from Brazil. LOL Great example there.

Anonymous Barko Ramius March 17, 2013 2:43 AM  

"I was born and left a country that is full of more ethnic division, tribalism, and strife than most people will ever visit. I dealt with religious fanaticism that is more real and violent than most people could stomach."

Wow, really? Where's this?
C'mon, tell us. You're accusing others of being Muzzies and hating on whitey. At least give us a bio.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 2:47 AM  

But, that's besides the point I was making which was that Leftists never learn from the disastrous consequences of their ideology.

Your type has been predicting that the country would fall apart since basically day #1. And it hasn't happened. Why should we believe you now.

Anonymous Anonagain March 17, 2013 2:49 AM  

You're dead, asshole. Why is mouth still moving?

Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 2:52 AM  

Wow, really? Where's this?
C'mon, tell us. You're accusing others of being Muzzies and hating on whitey. At least give us a bio.

Sarajevo.

Also, I am not hating on whitey.

Anonymous Anonagain March 17, 2013 3:00 AM  

Leftism is the politics of self-annihilation, which is why Leftism seeks to impose itself on the unwilling: to hide the rot that would result.

Yes, it is. The root cause of this ideology's self-annihilation is Satan, who hates Mankind. It's that simple. Of course, Leftists will twist, lie, obfuscate and otherwise torture the truth so as not to reveal this fact. They have the unmitigated gall to claim to be in pursuit of UTOPIA! - of all the goddammed, most diametrically opposed realities, they actually state this with a straight face. And the idiotic masses follow these vile pied pipers right over the cliff.

Anonymous Barko Ramius March 17, 2013 3:09 AM  

"Muslims are more likely to talk about killing their enemies."

And?
You've called out so called "keyboard rebels" for not going out and killing oppressors numerous times on this thread.
You should check yourself before labeling others.

"So what it's a shithole. Why lie about them not having libraries?"

The library in Rio is basically a museum that gives tours. The poster wasn't lying, he was making a general point which you acknowledged when you called Brazil a "shithole"..you raciss.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 3:10 AM  

They have the unmitigated gall to claim to be in pursuit of UTOPIA! - of all the goddammed, most diametrically opposed realities, they actually state this with a straight face. And the idiotic masses follow these vile pied pipers right over the cliff.
I suspect you can't name any leftist who is in pursuit of utopia. It's like you believe in a fairy tale version of leftists that imagine us all as hipster socialist do nothings. It's sort of cute, in a mis-informed type of way.

Anonymous Anonagain March 17, 2013 3:14 AM  

For a dead piece of crap, you're sure making a lot of noise.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 3:17 AM  

And?
You've called out so called "keyboard rebels" for not going out and killing oppressors numerous times on this thread.
You should check yourself before labeling others.

I am not asking them to do anything. I am noting that they are obviously full of hot air. These are the people who are predicting and promising retribution, over the status quo. Yet haven't done anything. If the status quo is unacceptable then why hasn't the shooting happening? I point it out to mock them. Their arguments can't be wholly believed. IF they were wholly believed, there exist two options. (1) they are already involved in the violent revolution of the status quo or (2) they are cowards.

The library in Rio is basically a museum that gives tours. The poster wasn't lying, he was making a general point which you acknowledged when you called Brazil a "shithole"..you raciss.
No, he wasn't making a general point. He's making a specific claim. He's good at making specific claims that turn out to be untrue. The National Library in Brasil is a museum in the same way the Library of Congress is. It gives tours. It's old and historic. However, like the Library of Congress, it's a functioning highly regarded library. Why bother lying about it?

Brazil a "shithole"..you raciss.
Rio. Not Brazil.

You are apparently under the impression that all leftists are the same. Leftists recognize race just like everyone else. It's hardly a revolutionary thought.

Anonymous Angry March 17, 2013 3:35 AM  

DH,

"This isn't exactly the case but it's not to far from the truth. At the top end of the class scale it gets diverse again, because of the small denominator. Go down a little bit and it's back to all white, all black, all asian, etc. I was there not long ago."

This is largely illusory. All you have is a bunch of brown, black and yellow people acting white. And they act white because they do not have the numbers to oust you from power yet. I am looking forward to when they do and then drop this pretense of fake diversity.

"It would make you feel better if this were true, it's just not. The low-class blacks and minorities are still growing. Same with the lower-middle and middle-class."

You misunderstand. I don't care that blacks and minorities are increasing. Their increases neither alter their degraded state nor their proximity to white leftists, both of which please me greatly. I care that white leftists are killing themselves off through abortion, delayed marriage and other proximate causes. The nonwhites can learn to love their favelas. What matters is culling the white leftist power structure that gives shape and form to minority power.

"You understand the Republicans are fighting and losing cultural battles daily? That you haven't won anything. Abortion - the #1 issue of the Religious Right has been enemy number #1 for four decades."

Really? Let me ask you this. Did the religious right oppose abortion because they were responding to the great abortion epidemic that engulfed the laity and threatened to wipe the faithful off the face of the Earth? Was the anti-abortion position ever proposed to deal with some problem inside organized religion? No. It was a message to the faithful not to engage in any heathen practice, a message the faithful have largely followed, thanks to the secular media's spread of the Christian message. Now, abortion is primarily the realm of the secular and the atheist, the whore, the weak, and the childish, exactly the people that should not be having children in the first place. Voluntary abortion merely spares the messiness of having to forcibly sterilize those you hate.

If moving Leftward means grinding your political enemy under the heels of their own ideology, then Leftward we will go.

Anonymous Barko Ramius March 17, 2013 3:46 AM  

"These are the people who are predicting and promising retribution, over the status quo. Yet haven't done anything. "

They've done plenty. You wont see it because you dont want to. You cant.
The force of History and of righteousness does not necessarily come from the barrel, particularly in this setting.
Are you not a "keyboard Rebel" here?
You seem caught up in the violent solution to all. I'm sorry for the circumstances of you upbringing in that volitile region, but there are more than two options.

"The National Library in Brasil is a museum in the same way the Library of Congress is. It gives tours. It's old and historic. However, like the Library of Congress, it's a functioning highly regarded library. Why bother lying about it?"

Ooh, you spelled Brazil with an essss, how fabuliissss.
Yeah, right, it's "highly regarded". Cause everyone know Brasils famous library archives Thomas Edison film from the early 20th Century and other artifacts highlighting Western civilizations contributions to humanity.

Anonymous James May March 17, 2013 3:51 AM  

I never even came close to suggesting there were no libraries in Rio. I said, and it's true, that the average Third World city, including Rio, has no depth in this regard.

Again, how far do you have to go to find a second library in Rio? Why does MPLS, with 1/5 the population, have 10 times the libraries and book stores?

And the National Library in downtown Rio is in no way world class. Prior to the net, anyone studying anything in any depth such as medicine and engineering, had to leave the country. They simply didn't and don't have the books. The National Library is highly regarded in Brazil. In America it is considered quaint.

The only goal posts that have been moved are in your own head, since I have to write what I said three times just to get back to square one with you cuz you don't parse English at all well.

You're disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. Trying to light up someone who lived in Rio and speaks Portuguese is classic trolling. I know that city even better than many people who live there cuz there was no where I wouldn't go exploring. My statement stands and there's no way around it. It wasn't rocket science but you turned it into river with cataracts and rapids.

Anonymous Anonagain March 17, 2013 4:02 AM  

I care that white leftists are killing themselves off through abortion, delayed marriage and other proximate causes.

They don't need their own progeny to create more little Leftists, they only need to get their filthy hands on the children early enough and long enough, and they'll have produced more brainwashed drones.

Education no longer exists in the USA. It has been replaced with Leftist indoctrination camps, like in all third world countries. Putting a child into Leftists hands is like offering them up to Baal. Homeschooling is no longer an option, it is a requirement.

It is not enough to allow Leftists to destroy themselves, we have to protect our children from their clutches.

Anonymous kh123 March 17, 2013 4:31 AM  

"Right. A very long, slow suicide apparently. That has taken over 200+ years to complete, and will likely take another few hundred. A suicide indistinguishable from the status quo."

Please direct me to the nearest Kushan or Parthian that can show me around the Hindu Kush, sir. Or a Bactrian Greek for that matter who can discourse about Plato.

Anonymous Angry March 17, 2013 4:39 AM  

Anonagain,

"They don't need their own progeny to create more little Leftists, they only need to get their filthy hands on the children early enough and long enough, and they'll have produced more brainwashed drones."

But the population of those brainwashed drones among whites grows smaller and smaller because the leftist cannot promise enough wealth and status to maintain their interest. The OWSer's are proof of that.

Look at mass indoctrination centers like the Chicago public school system. It is 88% nonwhite. They may as well teach them how to put up drywall and mow lawns as soon as attempt to indoctrinate them in anything

Anonymous Severen March 17, 2013 4:40 AM  

"They are. They didn't just attack the Indian man, they attacked the entire edifice of the multicultural state that is hunting them even now."

You'll have people calling them cowardly thugs who assaulted one defenseless man on one hand and calling for "hate crime" prosecutions on the other (and the idea behind "hate crime" laws is that the "crime" is against an entire protected community). I suppose a leftist could still say that "They're cowardly thugs who attacked one defenseless man, AND their attack is an attack on an entire community and our entire concept of a multicultural society!", but it may still be worth noting the disconnect between "They're just racist thugs who viciously assaulted one innocent man!" on one hand and the idea behind "hate crimes" legislation (or at least their justification for "hate crimes" legislation).

Anonymous Angry March 17, 2013 4:55 AM  

The thing about DH is that he mistakes me for someone who is trying to prove him wrong. Nothing can be further from the truth. I am simply interested in telling him how he is going to die and why that pleases me.

What he fails to see is that Leftism leads to chaos. The chaos occurs because they have a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature which leads to their policies failing. At the same time, their centralizing of government consolidates enormous power into the state. The result of chaos is society and massive government power leads to fascism.

Now, fascism is such a condition has little to do with Hitler or Mussolini. Fascism is essentially about extracting order from chaos. The Leftist creates a powerful state which will then be used against them, just like the Weimar Republic led to Hitler.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 4:55 AM  

Angry--

Thank you for the detailed responses:

This is largely illusory. All you have is a bunch of brown, black and yellow people acting white. And they act white because they do not have the numbers to oust you from power yet. I am looking forward to when they do and then drop this pretense of fake diversity.
The small number at the top are never going to have the political power of the masses. Yet these do have an outsized influence. These people have more in common than do lower class people of different races. There's not much difference between a white and black executive level business person. So I don't agree with your premise.

You misunderstand. I don't care that blacks and minorities are increasing. Their increases neither alter their degraded state nor their proximity to white leftists, both of which please me greatly. I care that white leftists are killing themselves off through abortion, delayed marriage and other proximate causes. The nonwhites can learn to love their favelas. What matters is culling the white leftist power structure that gives shape and form to minority power.
Given this though, shouldn't you be winning, demographically? You aren't. You are backsliding. And, the leftward policies are being picked up by both parties. Meanwhile, new generations of all races are decreasingly conservative. This is why the average age of conservatives continues to decrease.

Really? Let me ask you this. Did the religious right oppose abortion because they were responding to the great abortion epidemic that engulfed the laity and threatened to wipe the faithful off the face of the Earth? Was the anti-abortion position ever proposed to deal with some problem inside organized religion? No. It was a message to the faithful not to engage in any heathen practice
This just not supported by the facts, from just one study:

The institute found that more Protestant women obtained abortions than Catholics: Forty-three percent of women over age 17 in the 2000-2001 survey said they were Protestant, while 27 percent said they were Catholic. But Catholics were more likely to get an abortion: The abortion rate for Catholic women was 22 per 1,000 women; the rate for Protestants was 18 per 1,000 women, according to study author Rachel K. Jones.

Yes, lots of atheists and democrats are having these abortions. But know that when you drive by a church full of good Christians, these are many in pews who have personally had an abortion.

So, for 40 years, the pro-life conservative Christians have been trying to end abortion. And for 40 years, you've failed. And, worse yet, you've failed to even stop your own flock.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 4:56 AM  

What he fails to see is that Leftism leads to chaos. The chaos occurs because they have a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature which leads to their policies failing. At the same time, their centralizing of government consolidates enormous power into the state. The result of chaos is society and massive government power leads to fascism.

But the truth is that we have moved leftward for 200 years. And yet we still have order.

Has it been perfect? No. But the collapse hasn't happened. The status quo marches on.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 5:02 AM  

James--

You are spinning. Here is what you wrote:

Just try and find a public library in Rio de Janeiro, a city with a larger population of 10 million.

Come now. Stop. You are being ridiculous.

You wrote:

In what world is it right to have mayors and Governors ignore law and their own oaths?

and

Siding with illegal aliens against legally empowered entities is unlawful, unethical and immoral.

You completely failed to substantiate this claim. You have failed to show any mayor ignoring the law they have sworn to uphold. You have obviously confused "comply" with "enforce". Come now. Stop. You are being ridiculous.

Give it up. Be more precise next time.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 5:03 AM  

Please direct me to the nearest Kushan or Parthian that can show me around the Hindu Kush, sir. Or a Bactrian Greek for that matter who can discourse about Plato.
They've all failed. And where they have failed, the US continues to succeed and thrive.

History is a nifty, but it's not the only predictor.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 5:06 AM  

They've done plenty. You wont see it because you dont want to. You cant.
The force of History and of righteousness does not necessarily come from the barrel, particularly in this setting.
Are you not a "keyboard Rebel" here?
You seem caught up in the violent solution to all. I'm sorry for the circumstances of you upbringing in that volitile region, but there are more than two options.

Sure, they've done plenty. Plenty of typing. Plenty of spewing.

Let's put it this way. You all have bought more than tons of guns. Like mega-tons of guns. Hundreds of millions of guns. The 2nd amendment in action!

Yet, all your guns and bullets haven't stopped the scope or size of government from increasing. It's supposed to be a backstop, and so far, it hasn't stopped anything. You think 1 single law or 1 single regulation or 1 single travesty has been rolled back because of all the guns sold?

The EFF - a nice band of rebel lawyers and thinkers - have done more to protect freedom and advance liberty than all you blowhards promising to rip out throats, or stamp out the left, or go galt.

Anonymous Anonagain March 17, 2013 5:15 AM  

The rotting corpse is emitting noxious gases. PU

Anonymous Anonagain March 17, 2013 5:27 AM  

I am simply interested in telling him how he is going to die and why that pleases me.

It gives me the warm fuzzies to imagine Leftists' hoisted with their own petards. Kaboom. Splat. That is the only consolation of their lunatic regimes - Leftists also die in the end.

Anonymous James May March 17, 2013 6:42 AM  

You're an idiot. Who'd be dumb enough to think there's not a library in any city of 10 million people in the world? If I'd wanted to say there's not one library in Rio, that's what I would've said.

I thought the implication was clear - they're rare in Rio compared to an American city.

In the future I'll remember you need things spelled out for you in all caps and tailor my responses accordingly, which is to say there'll be none.

That's because I'm trying to express larger points and not get caught up in moronic and detailed pedantry about precise numbers of libraries per capita or whether a mayor actually goes out on patrol and arrests illegal immigrants and does health inspections.

Blogger tz March 17, 2013 7:56 AM  

The white pagans on the bus can't be bothered to have the 2 or 3 children simply to keep the race from dying out much less the traditionally sized families. Then they complain about invaders. Same here in the USA.

I also seem to remember another indian man killed on a bus in london a few years ago - by the police because they thought he was a terrorist.

Starting two decades from now there could be a cultural and demographic shift back, but the christless christendom has accepted divorce and contraception shattering the foundation of society - the nuclear family. And "children are our future" sounds trite - unless you are saying you want a shrinking and minimal future.

Preach always, sometimes use words was said by the patron saint of the new pope. Small families preach a sermon from the heart. So do large families.

However evangelism is going well in Africa. It will be no small irony if Africa converts to Christ and is where liberty will be reestablished while the west sinks into a dark age of a collapsing pagan empire. In China, the church is oppressed - just like at its birth. It should thrive. The blood of martyrs is the fertilizer.

Anonymous VD March 17, 2013 8:40 AM  

It will be no small irony if Africa converts to Christ and is where liberty will be reestablished while the west sinks into a dark age of a collapsing pagan empire. In China, the church is oppressed - just like at its birth. It should thrive. The blood of martyrs is the fertilizer.

Indeed. But it will take time, a lot of time. Full civilization will require at least another 500 years in Africa, more like 700, even with the benefit of Christianity. But they may get there while the pagan West returns to its pre-Christian state.

I think a collapse and a resurgence in the West are more likely to happen first, though.

Anonymous Shut Up James May! March 17, 2013 9:00 AM  

James May--DH, you're a liar. If I told you tomorrow you'd have to spend the rest of your life in Detroit's inner city, Guatemala City or Kathmandu, you'd start screaming.

...There is no tradition of the Magna Carta or Bill of Rights in the Third World. Their infrastructure is a Bizarro and decrepit copy of Western tech. Take away the West and people in Rio would be using a horse and buggy to go to work. They're riding donkeys in the suburbs of Cairo right now.


Follow your own advice!

"Such comments are patronizing towards people in the Third World and insulting towards the West; it's almost a form of casual and patronizing racism because it holds that peoples in the Third World are different from ourselves in a way that needs some kind of propping up or special attention with footnotes. It is a commonly held view among Western documentary photographers that spiritualism and value resides everywhere but in their own culture and they delight in showing the debauchery and emptiness of the West and this is a form of subtle yet nevertheless brutal cultural self-loathing as the story of America and our parents and grandparents has never been disliked by more Americans than today...The portrayal of other cultures in this manner is natural to a certain extent because people are fascinated by other cultures but there is no need to wallow in politicizing and formalizing one's ignorance of others in the name of professing a desire to learn."

Anonymous Bog Hopper March 17, 2013 9:49 AM  

The amount shifts over time, and can even retroactively increase. (Cf. the Irish invasion of the US in the late 19th century, now considered an immigration.)

Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.

Anonymous Red Comet March 17, 2013 11:33 AM  

dh, you make no sense. You appeal to history to say immigration is no big deal and yet say historical examples of where it has collapsed societies don't apply because of that good old American Exceptionalism (!!) that I'm more than certain you make fun of elsewhere.

Why do you consider European immigrants who spoke or learned English to be the same as Central/South American immigrants that refuse to do either (and are by and large illiterate in their own language)?

If immigration is, again, no big deal because the only 40 years in all of human history that matter to you sez so, then why do you later claim to be for stricter controls on immigration?

If Vox and others are wrong about different groups vying for power in an area leading to violence and war, then why did you and your family leave the Balkans? Was it the weather? Cloudy with a chance of shelling? Should we pay no attention to the civil war behind the curtain?

Why do you celebrate the demographic stamping out of the majority that made America the country you wanted to live in while simultaneously ignoring what the policies you support have done to cities like Detroit?

Can you seriously look at that city and claim the status quo in America is just fine? Did Americans have more or less freedoms 20 years ago? Are you publicly disowning all those statistics leftists like you like to cite about the tops percenters getting richer while everyone else gets poorer?

And why do you consider living around twinkies and cupcakes to be diversity when you know damn well it isn't? If you've really traveled the world as you claim then you know what real diversity is and that it's something that no one actually wants anywhere.

Do you really want your neighbor on the left playing shit rap with 50 buddies talking as loud as they can until 3 AM while your neighbor on the right is on his lawn screaming to ALLAH at 5 AM?

What makes you think the policies you support will make you immune to the tax snatches and outsourcing that eventually WILL force what you call the intellectual (lol) upper middle class to move next to America's future favellas? I seriously doubt you have enough connections to apply for "socialism for thee but not for me" like the DC political elite.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein March 17, 2013 12:14 PM  

Loki, you are new here. (To this blog...not this ethereal plane..)

Nate used to be a mommyblogger.

Anonymous James May March 17, 2013 12:29 PM  

Hahah. Whoever quoted me is sadly showing how little they understand what the latter quote actually means. In that sense, they are their own rebuttal.

As for Africa, what is it that stops outright war and empire building there by one country against the others? It is such entities as the International Criminal Court of the Hague backed up by the Pax Americana.

Now, ask yourself if the UK could dislodge Argentina in the Falklands as they did in 1982? The answer is they could not. The UK has fallen that far in only 3 decades. They have fallen that far because of spending their treasure on Third World aid and domestic entitlement programs and are also suffering from a lack of productivity. They couldn't even find enough people who could speak English to hire as security at the Olympics. Immigration has undone the UK.

Now, posit that same thing happening to America for the same reasons. What happens in Africa? What happens in the Gulf states when America can no longer project itself militarily to protect Bahrain or S. Arabia? What happens when Iran or China hands us a fait accompli by way of a non-interference treaty over conquests in the Pacific Rim or Turkmenistan?

There will be no uplift of culture and civilization in Africa as a result but devastating wars and conquest, a new empire between the Sahara and South Africa. Without outside law as a threat, naked dictatorships and even slavery could make a come back, because democracy comes most easily to those who can rule themselves, not those who need nations not even on their own continent to save them from themselves and their own failure.

There you have it - one possible scenario from one single act of stupidity by the West - immigration from the Third World that acts to dilute it's innate exceptionalism the way milk dilutes coffee. Pour enough milk and the coffee eventually becomes milk.

Anonymous Anonagain March 17, 2013 1:40 PM  

As far as the virtual corpse goes, I suggest dh prove just how yellow all of the keyboard patriots are by providing his real name, address and a picture of himself.

Anonymous Shut Up James May March 17, 2013 1:56 PM  

"Hahah. Whoever quoted me is sadly showing how little they understand what the latter quote actually means. In that sense, they are their own rebuttal."

The quotation is self-explanatory, rabbit. You just got busted out.

Anonymous James May March 17, 2013 2:02 PM  

You are obviously simply incapable of understanding what I wrote. I am not a tutor. That was an attack on the Orwellian doublethink of liberal anti-racism, racism. Anyone dumb enough to look at a turban/high cheekbones and then a baseball cap and conclude they can literally "see" nobility and spirituality in the former is too dumb to countenance, as are you.

Anonymous kh123 March 17, 2013 2:07 PM  

"[The Kushan Empire, the Parthians, the Greco-Bactrian Kingdom] all failed."

And this took how long in each instance.

Anonymous scoobius dubious March 17, 2013 2:24 PM  

The stupid, it is strong on this thread.

Anonymous James May March 17, 2013 3:02 PM  

Let's have a debate with my revenant and DH about what those lights are in the night sky. I'll begin:

"ajudn udua a laa adkk?"

Anonymous Anonagain March 17, 2013 3:32 PM  

Why do you celebrate the demographic stamping out of the majority that made America the country you wanted to live in while simultaneously ignoring what the policies you support have done to cities like Detroit?

Perfect satire of the Leftist mentality and its consequences: How important is cultural diversity at your school?"

Public schools reflect the "status quo" of USA.


Anonymous Erik March 17, 2013 3:52 PM  

I'm not sure why this wouldn't also apply to your presence in Italy.

To be consistent you would leave Italy or at least agree that an Italian or group of Italians would be morally justified in beating and or killing you because they objected to your presence on Italian soil.

Anonymous James May March 17, 2013 4:16 PM  

No Erik, they would be justified in doing so only if VD represented an obvious source of cultural groups that were a demonstrable source of failure.

No one minds the presence of Americans in their country for the same reason one doesn't lock up the lap top when wealthy people attend your party. In that sense, there is a global form of American privilege but which in actual fact amounts to nothing more than being left alone as a possible source of trouble.

When I lived in Rio, a place notorious for no public bathrooms, any hotel would take one look at me, hear my accent and let me use their bathrooms while turning their own folks away.

We're talking about success and failure here and where success and failure are perceived to emanate from, and not an academic consistency where all things are equal. There is no principle being violated. Belong to a successful culture and I accept you, belong to failure and it's please stay at home. We are not recruiting failure at the moment, but thank you for inquiring.

Political correctness measures faces and gender, pragmatism measures success. PC is not a principle but a violation of principle since their is nothing underlying it but outward appearance.

Anonymous scoobius dubious March 17, 2013 4:32 PM  

"I'm not sure why this wouldn't also apply to your presence in Italy. To be consistent you would leave Italy..."

Consistent. Well that's certainly a funny word to use, with respect to existential questions. To be consistent, maybe you should leap off the Golden Gate Bridge, just to prove the sincerity of your convictions.

The real landscape is this: the Italians, historically, are white, and Western, and Christian. That is simply true. And maybe the Italians, heaven forfend, might simply happen to like it that way, just as the Chinese seem to like being Chinese, and see no reason at all to stop being Chinese simply because a million Nigerian beggars would like them to. And VD is white, and Western, and Christian. And so the influx into Italy of VD and a thousand of his closest relatives is a matter of little concern for the Italians; whereas the influx of Ching Hao, Mohammed Ibrahim, Viet Thung Nuoc, Ngongo Ngoga, Vyanaputra Vishnamutra, and Mohammed Mohammed ibn Ali Mohammed, and all their thousands of relatives, is catastrophic and genocidal in nature. VD's emigration to Italy will not result in the destruction of Italy; the others whom I've identified, will.

You seem to have this bizarre attachment to abstract conceptual notions of justice or "consistency" or whatever you wish to call it. Italy in your view is not a country, it's just a piece of convenient real estate, some abstract dumping ground and storage facility for surplus shit-colored people. Okay, good, let's accept your premise as an abstract universal. You know, I do a lot of work regarding issues related to homelessness, and I know, personally, dozens, perhaps even hundreds, of homeless people who would just love to move into your house and become a part of your family, share the beds with your daughters. Your house is just an abstract space, it could have belonged to anybody, and your family are just a bunch of people you happen to randomly know, right? They are perfectly interchangeable with my homeless strangers, who I am more than happy to send to live with you.

Send me your email, and we'll work the whole thing out, so that your home will become filled with distressed, mentally ill, drug-addled people who would like nothing better than to fuck your daughters til they bleed.

That's fine with you, right? If you're consistent.

Anonymous Angry March 17, 2013 6:14 PM  

dh,

"Given this though, shouldn't you be winning, demographically? You aren't. You are backsliding. And, the leftward policies are being picked up by both parties. Meanwhile, new generations of all races are decreasingly conservative. This is why the average age of conservatives continues to decrease."

The average democrat is devolving into a low-IQ, no-skill, unemployable and ungovernable shit skin, one that fellow white Democrats have to spend enormous amounts of time and money to stay away from. Look at Chicago, New York and Los Angeles. These cities have 2/3's of their territory rendered unlivable for the white democrats that live in the city, vastly raising the cost of schooling and housing for anyone that wants to live there.

How is any of this winning? What exactly have you won?

The reason why Republicans do not oppose immigration is because a) they want to use minorities to challenge the white liberals for control of the Democratic Party and b) minorities hate each and default to tribal warfare. Once minority control of the Democratic Party is complete, the Right will have an opposition governed by the same people who run Detroit and Tijuana. Meanwhile, the white democrats incapable of isolating themselves from minority dysfunction will bleed away into a new right-wing movement. And that is most of them.

This is a win-win for the Right, which is slowly evolving into white-nationalism. The Right is training the Leftist in the reality of multiculturalism by having him experience what it is like having to live with these democrat clients. This experience creates a white voting bloc.

After all, Massachusetts votes Democrat because it is only 6% black. Alabama votes Republican because it is 30% black. Detroit is why Michigan has a Republican Governor.

An American Pinochet is coming.

"This just not supported by the facts, from just one study:

The institute found that more Protestant women obtained abortions than Catholics: Forty-three percent of women over age 17 in the 2000-2001 survey said they were Protestant, while 27 percent said they were Catholic. But Catholics were more likely to get an abortion: The abortion rate for Catholic women was 22 per 1,000 women; the rate for Protestants was 18 per 1,000 women, according to study author Rachel K. Jones."

First of all, this study is written by a woman, so I doubt it's accurate. Second, the authoress was operating from a much larger sample size of Catholics than Protestants, since she is deliberately searching for signs of Catholic abortions. That's the only way you can get such a skewed result. Third, Protestantism is not real Christianity. It's just liberalism with a religious facade. Heck, I've been in Protestant churches did not have a single Christian symbol in them. Protestant abortions are not only expected, they are a good thing.

Anonymous Angry March 17, 2013 6:43 PM  

dh,

"But the truth is that we have moved leftward for 200 years. And yet we still have order.

Has it been perfect? No. But the collapse hasn't happened. The status quo marches on."

Uh,no. But if you want to believe that we were always at war with East Asia, then be my guest.

We've all read the same books. We know the pedigree of this argument.

Anonymous Anonagain March 17, 2013 7:23 PM  

Uh,no. But if you want to believe that we were always at war with East Asia, then be my guest.

There was also a period there between 1861-1865 that is conveniently swept under the rug. Leftists must keep their delusions intact, you know.

And the sentiments from that period run deep and last for a long, long time. A Third Spring Cleaning certainly is not out of the question - much to the dismay of these maggots - thus the fear and loathing of the 2nd Amendment.

Blogger Justthisguy March 17, 2013 8:53 PM  

As hbdchick has famously said, "Different peoples are different." Ya think? I don't get along with my own family, and they are more genetically similar to me than anybody else. People from Booga-booga-stan? Oh, hell no.

Anonymous Dumb Asses Personafied March 17, 2013 9:31 PM  

Red Comet--Why do you consider European immigrants who spoke or learned English to be the same as Central/South American immigrants that refuse to do either (and are by and large illiterate in their own language)?

Epic fail.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/30/us/30immig.html?_r=0

It took several generations for the Irish and German immigrants of the 1840's and 1850's to make noticeable gains. It took several generations for the Italians and Polish immigrants of the 1890's and 1900's to make noticeable gains.

BOTH groups were assimilated. And so will Latinos, Africans, and Asians who emigate to America will make that transition.


Angry--"Protestantism is not real Christianity."

Who the hell are YOU to decide what is and what is not religion? Fuck off. Furthermore, if you were a Christian, you would have condemned the violent action by a bunch of thugs against a defenseless man. Perhaps you need to be reminded of scripture--Proverbs 19:23--The fear of the Lord leads to life, and whoever has it rests satisfied; he will not be visited by harm.


Scooby Doo--"whereas the influx of Ching Hao, Mohammed Ibrahim, Viet Thung Nuoc, Ngongo Ngoga, Vyanaputra Vishnamutra, and Mohammed Mohammed ibn Ali Mohammed, and all their thousands of relatives, is catastrophic and genocidal in nature."

I did not realize that Italy today was experiencing ethnic cleansing on a grand scale. Smoke another bong!

Article 3 of the Italian Constitution guarantees equality before the law and fundamental freedoms, and guards against discrimination on the grounds of sex, race, language, religion, political opinions, and personal and social conditions. It was not until 1999 that national law set the minimum means of protecting linguistic minorities, which minorities were included and how they should qualify for protection. They must be 15 percent of the population of their community. The 12 official ethnic linguistic minorities are Albanians, Catalans, Germans, Greeks, Slovenes, Croatians, Ladins, French, Franco-Provençal, Occitans, Friuli and Sardinians.

The first large-scale legalization of undocumented immigrants took place from 1987-1990. The laws:

1. restricted immigration and required immigrants to be sponsored by an employer;
2. recognized equal civil rights for legal immigrants and Italian citizens;
3. made a distinction between economic migrants and refugees.
4. contained an analysis of the need for sustained immigration to offset the rapidly ageing population;
5. introduced the first specific equality legislation, banning direct and indirect discrimination by individuals and public bodies, setting procedural rules for discrimination cases and allowing for compensation of victims.

"Send me your email, and we'll work the whole thing out, so that your home will become filled with distressed, mentally ill, drug-addled people who would like nothing better than to fuck your daughters til they bleed."

Trust me, your daughters have already had dark meat.


James May--There will be no uplift of culture and civilization in Africa as a result but devastating wars and conquest, a new empire between the Sahara and South Africa. Without outside law as a threat, naked dictatorships and even slavery could make a come back, because democracy comes most easily to those who can rule themselves, not those who need nations not even on their own continent to save them from themselves and their own failure.

Thanks for the masturbatory material.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 11:48 PM  

As far as the virtual corpse goes, I suggest dh prove just how yellow all of the keyboard patriots are by providing his real name, address and a picture of himself.
Why does it matter who you kill? Just pick any liberal. A fellow patriot rebel who is my vicinity will happily take care of me, I am sure.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2013 11:51 PM  

There was also a period there between 1861-1865 that is conveniently swept under the rug. Leftists must keep their delusions intact, you know.

And the sentiments from that period run deep and last for a long, long time. A Third Spring Cleaning certainly is not out of the question - much to the dismay of these maggots - thus the fear and loathing of the 2nd Amendment.


Ahh, we aren't forgetting this period. This is when the Old America died, and the new America was born.

This where you lost. Not a single state government has gotten out of line since then. Not one. The closet thing since was Alabama and Mississippi during desegregation, and you lost that test as well. In the end you always back down.

Because in the end, you don't believe your own lies. If you really did believe what you say you'd have to act. And you haven't. QED.

Anonymous Anonagain March 17, 2013 11:54 PM  

Maggot-infested corpse yammers on. Zombie retard.

Anonymous James May March 18, 2013 12:20 AM  

And the Lord spake and said unto thee, Minnesota shall be a number 11 seed and spread it broadcast unto UCLA, a number 5 in truth.

Ole Miss, toiling like the slaves of old Memphis, was not rendered its due like Caesar, and was begat a 12 seed only, though having passed through the eye of a needle and trounced the lizard-people of Florida, only to face the Badgers of Wisconsin.

Verily, Tubby Smith must have various fingers far up the ass of the NCAA, or the horns of Gabriel are about to blow.

"Bite harder" said DH to Dumb Ass Personified, "for I feel not yet the pain, which I liken to the Sea Peoples and Ramses."

"Moisturize thee they fingers," replied Dumb Ass Personified, "for they are as dessicated as the locusts of Thebes."

Anonymous Anonagain March 18, 2013 12:52 AM  

dh is an honest to goodness agent provocateur. The slimy little Leftist snake no doubt gets a big bonus for turning in citizens and militia-types who are preparing for actual rebellion. This is typical Leftist MO to infiltrate the common people and get them to reveal their intentions. He makes far too many attempts of provoking people about not taking any action. It's become a clear pattern now.

Anonymous Anonagain March 18, 2013 1:01 AM  

BTW, that love letter he wrote to Vox confessing his kinder, gentler Leftism always struck me as odd. Why would someone take the time to put all that into writing? Nothing but a ploy. This is one dirty Leftist piece of crap.

Blogger James Worrad March 18, 2013 2:19 AM  

Don't knock Britain's immigration, mate. I've lived in a multicultural inner city all my life and it's proffered me casual sex with the entire band-range of all possible women. What have you got? Stodgy Midwest clunge. And I'm not being biased here; if you're gay (and more power to you!) my town's a smorgasbord of multi-hued man love!

What kind of man are you? 'Alpha game', my arse!

Blogger James Worrad March 18, 2013 2:21 AM  

Oh wait a minute... you're a nob. Sorry to waste your time. Carry on Nuremberging, guys!

Anonymous Erik March 18, 2013 3:27 AM  

"No Erik, they would be justified in doing so only if VD represented an obvious source of cultural groups that were a demonstrable source of failure."

No, James May, read the original post again. This is not about who is from a better "cultural group" or who is a better tourist or who spreads the money around better. This is about something more fundamental.

Anonymous Erik March 18, 2013 3:29 AM  

"You seem to have this bizarre attachment to abstract conceptual notions of justice or "consistency" or whatever you wish to call it. Italy in your view is not a country, it's just a piece of convenient real estate, some abstract dumping ground and storage facility for surplus shit-colored people."

No, I don't have an attachment to "abstract conceptual notions of justice or consistency". This is about male territoriality. There is nothing abstract about male territoriality.

I'm not the one who is viewing Italy simply as a "piece of convenient real estate", since I said that an Italian or group of Italians would be justified in beating and or killing VD because they object to non-Italian presence on Italian soil.

It's you who apparently views Italy as just a "piece of convenient real estate", since you're justifying non-Italian presence on Italian soil.

If VD is consistent in his respect for male territoriality, he would leave Italy or at least agree that an Italian or group of Italians would be justified in beating and or killing him because they objected to his presence on Italian soil.

Anonymous James May March 18, 2013 4:45 AM  

But in fact Italians don't object. What countries object to are groups which make themselves a nuisance. Beggars, hawkers, clogging emergency rooms, welfare, crime. They further object to being constantly told that these expressions of failure are the fault of someone else's racism.

Invoking Occam's Razor, what in the hell are the chances that the entirety of the Third World and all groups originally from those countries are never at fault for their own failure?

Liberals are politically correct rubes and circus freaks and as dumb and naive as stumps to buy into such idiocy. We should change the name of the Third World to "Self-Pitykaka" or "Who Me?"

Occam's Razor - get one - take a frickin' shave people. Cuz your stories about PTSD from colonialism are boring me to death.

Anonymous Amgry March 18, 2013 5:10 AM  

"Epic fail.
Dumb Asses Personfied

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/30/us/30immig.html?_r=0

It took several generations for the Irish and German immigrants of the 1840's and 1850's to make noticeable gains. It took several generations for the Italians and Polish immigrants of the 1890's and 1900's to make noticeable gains."

Really? The New York Times is a credible source for you people? In this forum? That's hilarious.

So let me see. According to you, Germans, Poles, Italian and Irish were laying waste to American cities the way blacks laid waste to Detroit before the generations made any gains at all? Blacks have lived in America since the beginning and Mexicans have been in America for 150 years and their trajectory is still on the path to making the areas within which they are a majority unlivable. They are simply duplicating the favelas and the savannahs of the territories from which they came.

The Arabs and Somalis and other assorted trash will do the same. They are no capable of assimilating than a dog is capable of loading Windows 7.

And, of course, we have the usual Biblical quotes taken out of context and repeated ad nausea. Here let me give you a quote: "Kill them all, let God sort them out." Do you know who said that? Pope Innocent III during the Albigensian Crusade, when his administration had to deal with another clutch of poisonous gnostic heretics undermining the Church. I suppose he should have followed modern bible teaching practice and declared heresy and the Muslim invasions a simple ecumenical matter to be sorted out by prayer sittings and scripture reading.

And then we have the usual quotes from various Western Constitutions guaranteeing all kinds of rights. Oh, how enlightened those Italians are!!! Things is, if the entire Italian population were replaced by the Chinese, would Article 3 stating "such and such" even be in force anymore? Or, would Chinese law reign supreme?

In fact, where are the Chinese or Moslem or Vietnamese or Phillipino versions of dh, Erik, dumb ass, and other assorted trolls demanding that their countries open themselves up to invasion. Oh wait...they don't exist.

Anonymous Dumb Asses Personafied March 18, 2013 7:00 PM  

I can just see Angry's arms flailing and feet stomping like a little school boy who is having a temper tantrum because he can't have dessert for not finishing dinner.


"Really? The New York Times is a credible source for you people? In this forum? That's hilarious."

In debate, the onus is now on you to disprove the evidence. Simply dismissing the source is the mark of a rabbit.


"So let me see. According to you, Germans, Poles, Italian and Irish were laying waste to American cities the way blacks laid waste to Detroit before the generations made any gains at all?"

Read your history. Many Americans in the mid to late 1800's considered the Irish, for example, as dirty, stupid and lazy. Newspaper cartoonists often contributed to this image by drawing Irishmen as looking like apes with a jutting jaw and sloping forehead. In addition, "Paddy" was blamed for putting natives out of work because they generally "accepted" lower wages. In 1851-1852, railroad contractors in New York advertised for workers and promised good pay. When mostly Irish applied, the pay was lowered to fifty-five cents a day. When the Irish protested, the militia was called in to force the men to agree to the lower wages. Moreover, their presence would mean taxes would rise due to additional needs for police, fire, health, sanitation, and other services.


"The Arabs and Somalis and other assorted trash will do the same. They are no capable of assimilating than a dog is capable of loading Windows 7."

Try again! Arabs in Detroit are courted by politicians as a crucial swing vote, and two-thirds of Arabs in Houston are Christian. Learn more here, Steely Dan.

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?cc=mqr;c=mqr;c=mqrarchive;idno=act2080.0041.118;rgn=main;view=text;xc=1;g=mqrg

http://www.archives2004.ghazali.net/html/assimilation.html


"And, of course, we have the usual Biblical quotes taken out of context and repeated ad nausea."

And how is God commanding that his followers protect the weak and defenseless "taken out of context"?


"In fact, where are the Chinese or Moslem or Vietnamese or Phillipino versions of dh, Erik, dumb ass, and other assorted trolls demanding that their countries open themselves up to invasion."

The United Arab Emirates, for example, actively seek workers from a variety of nations. Unfortunately, large numbers of immigrants are being taken advantage of by the government.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2007/11/duba-n09.html



James May--But in fact Italians don't object.

Yes, they do. Vehemently. VD is an American parasite.

Anonymous James May March 18, 2013 9:44 PM  

If he's a parasite then what kind of tapeworm with legs does that make Somalians grabbing my ass to sell me Bic pens and AAA batteries on the Spanish Steps?

Third World immigrants are always being taken advantage of. They get plenty of practice in their own countries where Mother Nature discriminates against them daily before sending them off with a kick in the ass to be maids in Qatar and build freeways in Dubai in 150 degree temps - no worries - no brains to fry.

And it turns out they were right about the Irish being apes. It's been scientifically proven. And also that Albanians smell like cabbage, the Polish are related to cats and that Romanians are knock-kneed tuft-yankers who'll suck your blood at the drop of a hat.

These place are marked on a EU website as No-Euro-Go-Zones.

Also watch out for Gypsies, tramps and thieves.

And Norwegians are yellow-haired yahoos deficient in Vitamin D - probably a precursor to Wells's Morlocks.

I haven't even mentioned the stingy DNA of retarded Scotsmen and to never let a Belgian get close to an open fire. That's right - BOOM!

And Basques are little more than ant-eating pangolins without the scaled armor. Did I mention the Portuguese? I call them "bunda on a stick." And frickin' Bulgarians like pet worms.

Anonymous What A Hypocrite March 18, 2013 11:39 PM  

"If he's a parasite then what kind of tapeworm with legs does that make Somalians grabbing my ass to sell me Bic pens and AAA batteries on the Spanish Steps?"

Tapeworm with legs fits your life to a T...sold weed, stole bikes, had sex with underage girls, got a chick knocked up and ordered her to have an abortion, had an affair with a married women, got a high diploma without doing any work, etc. etc. etc.

But, I forgot, you're now reformed and civilized.

Perhaps you are Somalian...

Anonymous Angry March 19, 2013 4:51 AM  

Dumb Assess Personified -

"In debate, the onus is now on you to disprove the evidence. Simply dismissing the source is the mark of a rabbit."

No. In debate, you are not entitled to your own facts or to present sources that an audience does not regard as credible, like the New York Times. You should know the forum that you are in. If you knew anything about this site, then you would realize most of the commentors here regard the New York Times as a Democrat Party newsletter. The burden of proof, then, is on you to demonstrate why the NYT is credible.

"Read your history. Many Americans in the mid to late 1800's considered the Irish, for example, as dirty, stupid and lazy. Newspaper cartoonists often contributed to this image by drawing Irishmen as looking like apes with a jutting jaw and sloping forehead. In addition, "Paddy" was blamed for putting natives out of work because they generally "accepted" lower wages. In 1851-1852, railroad contractors in New York advertised for workers and promised good pay. When mostly Irish applied, the pay was lowered to fifty-five cents a day. When the Irish protested, the militia was called in to force the men to agree to the lower wages. Moreover, their presence would mean taxes would rise due to additional needs for police, fire, health, sanitation, and other services."

Again, this is basic reading comprehension. This is not about how people "felt" about the Irish at the time. This is about the existential claim that the Irish destroyed and rendered unlivable entire cities the ways blacks have done in America. The answer is, they didn't.

But, going further, your claim of widespread and popular hatred toward the Irish is a baseless claim, no matter how much it appears in the New York Times. Think about it. If newspapers were describing Irish as criminal apes and pigs, then they were doing so because it sold newspapers. And if it sold newspapers, then it was something people regarded as true. And if it was something people regarded as true, then politicians would've been elected to do something about the Irish problem. So, given this widespread popular and institutional hatred of the Irish, how did any Irish set foot in the US in the first place? Did they sneak across the border?

The truth is, that there was no anti-Irish sentiment outside of a Scotsman and an Irishman encountering each other at bar or some disproportionate criminality among the trash from County Cork.

And your railroad example? Utterly laughable. Again, despite all this anti-Irish hatred somehow even complete border control at Ellis Island prevented these hated Irish from showing up at a job call.

Just because something is written down on paper, does not make it true.

"Try again! Arabs in Detroit are courted by politicians as a crucial swing vote, and two-thirds of Arabs in Houston are Christian. Learn more here, Steely Dan."

In Detroit? What, all ten of them? What percentage of Detroit's population is Arabic? 2%? A distinct minority, including in Houston. Oh, and I love your University of Michigan source. I wonder why they are not focusing on Dearborn, Michigan, which happens to be in their own backyard? Hmmm...I wonder.

"And how is God commanding that his followers protect the weak and defenseless "taken out of context"?"

The guy was not weak and defenseless, merely outnumbered. Meanwhile, the full force of the British state is looking for his attackers out of concern for the safety of the entire Hindu community because representatives of the sovereign colonial power must never be attacked.

"The United Arab Emirates, for example, actively seek workers from a variety of nations. Unfortunately, large numbers of immigrants are being taken advantage of by the government."

So the UAE understands the concept between foreigner and citizen? Wow.


Anonymous James May March 19, 2013 11:11 AM  

I was an amateur back then. Today I smuggle Somalian children and cigarettes. The cigarettes are quite valuable.

The bottom line is that a noble man squatting on a tarp selling razor blades and Bic pens is far more destructive to a society than an ignoble man who endows libraries.

But it's a conceit the man on a tarp is more noble in the first place or that poverty equals nobility. He may just be stupid. He may be too cowardly or lack the cleverness to make a good thief. All things then being equal, choose success, naked or not.

You can list your own charities here for our perusal and approval oh noble one. People like you don't uplift anyone. You just stick them in shanties and then go on tours of the noble high cheekbones Elizabeth Warren coveted.

It's plain to see who is an asset to a country they adopt and who is not. Throw out failure, keep the success. Or you can join a suicide cult where you pull everyone into the life boat until the whole thing goes down - a noble act.

You reek of a last place football team secure in the fact they are first place in morals, like Sayd Qutb. You're not Sayd Qutb are you? I thought he was dead, hung for superior morals by a superior power.

Anonymous Dumb Asses Personafied March 19, 2013 9:14 PM  

Angry...

“No. In debate, you are not entitled to your own facts or to present sources that an audience does not regard as credible, like the New York Times.”

I am entitled to present facts backed by evidence. It is on YOU to show specifically why those points are invalid or lack credibility. Merely labeling the NYT as “an arm of the Democratic Party” or stating that a forum utterly disregards a cite because of its ideology demonstrates confirmation bias. Why am I not surprised?

The source for the NYT article was research conducted by the Pew Hispanic Center, which works in conjunction with Pew Marketing. The NYT was REPORTING the results of that survey. Again, it is on you to present facts backed by evidence as to why you dispute its findings, rabbit.


“This is about the existential claim that the Irish destroyed and rendered unlivable entire cities the ways blacks have done in America. The answer is, they didn't.”

History is not your strong suit. In the 1840's and 1850's, nativists considered the Irish as undesirable -and- their actions were detrimental to host cities. Large numbers of unemployed or very poor Irish Catholics lived in squalid conditions in city slums, being the poorest of all immigrant groups that arrived in the United States in the mid-nineteenth century. Consequently, there were many cases of mental and physical illnesses, as well as alcohol abuse and instances of crime, that spread to the neighborhoods of other ethnic groups.


“If newspapers were describing Irish as criminal apes and pigs, then they were doing so because it sold newspapers.”

No, because in the 1850’s, nativists, referred to as the Know-Nothings, exhibited a powerful political voice in ensuring the United States would not be overrun by immigrants, most notably the Irish. Attitudes of superiority, and subsequent behaviors represented by those attitudes, were commonplace in cities in which large numbers of Irish had arrived.

http://www.victoriana.com/Irish/IrishPoliticalCartoons.htm


“In Detroit? What, all ten of them?...”

Again, the burden is on you to clearly demonstrate how Arabs are not integrating “properly” in Detroit and in Houston when the links I presented show they are becoming part of our American fabric. Where is this “pervasive ethnic discord” that VD and company are touting is occurring here?


“I wonder why they are not focusing on Dearborn, Michigan, which happens to be in their own backyard?”

Probably because all Muslims here are strapped with grenades just waiting for some white punk to protest against Sharia law.


“The guy was not weak and defenseless, merely outnumbered.”

(Psst) God just called, he wants his religion back!


James May...

"I was an amateur back then."

And you've raised your status to professional hack. Congratulations on your accomplishments.


"People like you don't uplift anyone. You just stick them in shanties and then go on tours of the noble high cheekbones Elizabeth Warren coveted."

Or, one can invade such countries, take advantage of their hospitality with nodding appreciation as you photograph their people in the raw, while shaming their customs with hidden contempt and disdain.

Listen, I get why you are angry at the world...you got played by a [married] woman in your youth. You had put your eggs all in one love basket, and she ripped your heart out.


"It's plain to see who is an asset to a country they adopt and who is not. Throw out failure, keep the success".

Indeed, and there are a plethora of examples in which people of color have contributed to the American experience.

Anonymous Angry March 20, 2013 3:51 AM  

Dumb asses Personified

"The source for the NYT article was research conducted by the Pew Hispanic Center, which works in conjunction with Pew Marketing."

Lord, where do I begin? Do you understand where you are and in what forum you are discussing these matters? No one here considers the NYT's or the Pew Hispanic Center (hahahaha) to be credible. Don't you get that? Your insistence that I should give credibility to two nakedly political entities is part of a logical fallacy called "an appeal to authority" made worse because these entities have no authority with us at all.

The long-running theme of this portion of the blogosphere is that major media entities routinely hide bad or negative information about minorities so as not to draw any systematic public attention. So, of course, Pew and NYT's will claim everyone is assimilating and everything is fine. It's their JOB. Do you not get that? Do you honestly think that any of these entities would tell you otherwise if if that were true? Of course not.

"History is not your strong suit. In the 1840's and 1850's, nativists considered the Irish as undesirable -and- their actions were detrimental to host cities."

Do you lack reading comprehension? The Irish of the day did not turn the New York of the day into a bombed-out city, the way blacks turned Detroit into a bombed-out city. Irish have not done anything equivalent. Furthermore, "nativist" is a modern neologism, invented for political purposes to smear those arguing against a mass influx of unassimilable poor people. At the time, the issue with the Irish was not their poverty. It was their numbers, their behavior and their criminality. Eventually, the Irish and the Italians were so bad that America closed the borders in 1924.

"Large numbers of unemployed or very poor Irish Catholics lived in squalid conditions in city slums"

See, I was right.

"No, because in the 1850’s, nativists, referred to as the Know-Nothings, exhibited a powerful political voice in ensuring the United States would not be overrun by immigrants, most notably the Irish. Attitudes of superiority, and subsequent behaviors represented by those attitudes, were commonplace in cities in which large numbers of Irish had arrived."

See, this is an example of your liberalism showing. How were these "nativists" Know-Nothings? They were living at the time and directly observing the poverty and crime the Irish were bringing into America. This is a bare empirical fact. And society was taking measures to beat the Irish out of the Irishman, under threat of deportation.

I mean, "attitudes of superiority?" Of course the "nativists" were superior. They weren't living in shit. They were the betters who established the carrots and the sticks to mold the Irish into what they later become: WASPs.

"http://www.victoriana.com/Irish/IrishPoliticalCartoons.htm"

All accurate depictions of the Irish trash of the day.

"Again, the burden is on you to clearly demonstrate how Arabs are not integrating “properly” in Detroit and in Houston when the links I presented show they are becoming part of our American fabric. Where is this “pervasive ethnic discord” that VD and company are touting is occurring here?"

Since you consider the NYT's to be a credible source, look up an application called "mapping the census." You tell me if that does not look like ethnic discord.

"Probably because all Muslims here are strapped with grenades just waiting for some white punk to protest against Sharia law."

So you don't find it odd that none of your vaunted sources bother to examine how well a Muslim-majority city actually operates. I wonder that is the case?

"(Psst) God just called, he wants his religion back!"

You obviously don't believe in God or religion. Why do you care what God wants?



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