Kicking it old school
I have to admit, I rather like the cut of Paul the Younger's jib:
In a rare, traditional filibuster, Sen. Rand Paul vowed to speak on the Senate floor "as long as it takes" to draw attention to his concerns about the Obama administration's policy regarding the targeted killing of American terrorism suspects.Paul is absolutely right. And it does not speak well of the Republican Party that so few of his fellow Senators are joining him in taking what should be the obvious position that the President of the United States cannot simply murder any American he wants whenever he wishes, without trial, sentencing, or even a warrant.
The Kentucky Republican took to the floor before noon Wednesday to block an expected vote on the nomination of John Brennan to lead the CIA, with aides saying he could continue for hours. Paul, beginning his remarks, said he would continue "until the alarm is sounded from coast to coast that our Constitution is important."
"Are we so complacent with our rights that we would allow a president to say he might kill Americans?" Paul asked. "No one person, no one politician should be allowed ... to judge the guilt of an individual and to execute an individual. It goes against everything we fundamentally believe in our country."
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... But he can. He's done it.
I wasn't sure about Rand - but he is proving himself. You can never know if they are real or just facades until they actually do something you can measure. Sacrifice.
I would also note that Perry in TX is working hard to zap Planned Parenthood. I ignored any claims of being "pro-life" in the primaries because the actions never matched the rhetoric.
2014 might be more interesting.
Even the ACLU is supporting it. That might upset the party but not me.
The problem that RINO today means an elephant, whereas a rhinoceros that is nearly indistinguishable from a donkey is what fills the party.
... But he can. He's done it.
Exactly. And just as possession is 9/10 of ownership, in modern society precedent, and especially brazen and unapologetic precedent, is 9/10 of the law.
I admire the Pauls and others like them who are fighting the good fight, but that does not change the fact that until Boobus Americanus starts to understand, much less care about what is happening to the nation they were given, they are fighting a losing battle.
"I do not understand it. I would not have believed that such things could
happen on our farm. It must be due to some fault in ourselves. The
solution, as I see it, is to work harder. From now onwards I shall get up
a full hour earlier in the mornings."
He needs to change his hairdo and say it with his chest.
One of the very few politicians who takes their oath seriously. Good for him.
BUSH = HITLER.... remeber those days? But in 20'3, OBAMA = JESUS
I hate Reugs but completely despise thr fascist Left.
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Yeah, Republicans suck... what's Paul's party again?
Who was the President who came out against "air-raiding villages and killing civilians" again? Must have been Taft or Polk, right?
Wow. So Democrats object to voting on a resolution declaring it illegal to kill Americans on American soil without due process. Noted.
Everyone has beaten the "if this was Bush" argument to death, but if this was Bush...it's be an apocalyptic sh/t show.
The resolution wasn't even for declaring it illegal. It was just to demand the president let them know the details and what he plans to do. The clowns won't even vote on that.
And the Dick from Illinois who got up to say they won't be voting looked like he had a hand up his ass controlling his mouth.
If you read the leaked DOJ white paper (every American should - it's an easy read), it's apparent that the President can have somebody targeted with no real burden of proof that they are even dangerous. The meanings of terrorist connected and imminent threat get so watered down by the end of the paper, that it seems you can get targeted based on some perceived view of your ideology. It's seriously surreal.
I think this is less about drones and CIA appointments and more of a statement on Harry Reid and John McCain's plan to reform the rules on filibuster.
I've posted the quote at the end and a link to the Ron Paul page on my Facebook feed. We don't need everyone on board, just the ones going to do something. There's people out there that won't hear this unless we tell them it ourselves. The truth must be spoken until the very end.
Some purist Paultard is crying because Sen. Paul is actually accomplishing something without marching with commies of International ANSWER and Occupy Wall Street. "Well,the kid is still no Ron Paul" they say as they jerk off to LewRockwell.com....
Everyone has beaten the "if this was Bush" argument to death, but if this was Bush...it's be an apocalyptic sh/t show.
Isn't it funny how, no matter which party is in power, new precedents always get set which always lead toward escalating government power and fewer civilian freedoms, but never seem to get undone by the opposing party when they gain power? No. It's not funny at all.
I would say the same thing to Obama Democrats that I said to Bush Republicans after 9/11: Be careful what you wish for. The shoe will be on the other foot sooner than you think.
@IM2L844
Glenn Greenwald often makes the point. As does Amconmag.[com]
I don't respect weather-vane (vain?) media.
I have no doubt that there were some individuals who were killed by government agents 50 years ago. It wasn't right, but some people in power thought it was necessary. Today our President wants to claim that it is right. Not a chance, it is still wrong.
But Vox, how are the Republicans going to murder any American they want whenever they wish, without trial, sentencing, or even a warrant if they don't allow the precedent to be set now?
Come to think of it, the GOP, in the the next presidential cycle, could promise to only kill progressive and leftist American citizens without trials, sentencings or even warrants, which would be way better than the Democrats who want to kill the honest, hard-working, God-fearing Americans in flyover states that make this country great.
TG&PO:
This is something like before feminism or the sexual revolution, evil was done but people were embarrassed about it. Now they have a pride march.
The equivalent of a gay pride march for Obama (yes, I mean this literally) would be to slaughter various humans on the float honoring him. He does so both in abortion and drone strikes.
There is something about an agonized decision to kill lest some greater horrible evil occur - although the (catholic) church teaches you cannot do evil to prevent a greater evil - but it was considered unjust, unfair, hypocritical, even if necessary because the perpetrator was so far beyond the rules.
The "Whatever" (blog name, see demonic creature in the left navbar) attitude toward killing and evil in general might not be new, but that the USA would not be shocked and that Christians would cheer is. "This is how liberty dies - to thunderous applause" was from Star Wars. It is - a travesty doesn't even begin to cover it - when Pagans get it so clearly but Christians voluntarily give their souls to the devil. Those who fed their children to Moloch will rise up against them in the last days.
@IM2L844 ...total non sequitur. Bush may have been a horrible president but it's a face he NEVER said he had the power to kill Americans in U.S. territory. You can tit-for-tat apples-to-bananas all you want. But you're making the same non sequitur as the gun grabbers who say recognizing gun rights automatically leads to massacres like Sandy Hook. Bush using drones to kill foreigners in Pakistan is NOT the same as Obama claiming the power to kill Americans in North Dakota. What this Administration is doing is unprecedented.
If I ran for president, I would promise, if elected, to target every member of the Supreme Court (and Senate and probably more) via secret "national security" drone strikes within whatever interval of taking my oath. The next day every abortion clinic and abortionist's house would be a smoking crater. Complaints would be answered with the "unitary executive", a videotape of John Yoo, with an attempt to obscure the fact he has been renditioned and is being waterboarded as the recording is made.
Of course I would busy the international criminal court with prosecuting Bush, Rumsfeld. Cheney, and anyone else I want to throw under the bus, including Obama and his minions. If the ICC didn't like them I would arrange them to be dumped in the most convenient islamic fire-ant mound.
Maybe what we need is a libertarian Scylla.
Gimlit, you have totally missed to point. The specifics are irrelevant. It is the general direction that is unswervingly consistent regardless of party. The new precedents are so easily reached because they are able to stand on the shoulders of previous precedents.
Do you really think Obama could make such preposterous claims with impunity if the general public had not already become acclimated to the consequences of the Patriot Act? Of course not.
"He needs to change his hairdo and say it with his chest." - realmatt March 06, 2013 7:13 PM
The guy has been at it for 8 hrs straight. Cut him a little slack even if the aethetics are little off. Standing up to tyranny is hard work.
While this conversation is about drones killing Americans ex-judicially. Holder's stance that the President has the right to kill with drones means he believes that the President has the right to kill Americans at will. Dead is dead, whether it comes from a drone or a .40 bullet to the back of the head.
There are so many traitors in this country, I sometimes get the impression that the traitors are the simple majority....and it is we happy few, who are all that is left of the country as we understand it.
Maybe we need a traitor index....1 to 10, so we can gauge the individual traitors, but I am unsure whether the index should be based on the actual damage they do (or try to do) or should the index be based on how un-American they are in what they profess and incite in others.
Which is the greater traitor?
A college professor that extols his class to rise up and put an end to white privilege.
A media reporter who deliberately refuses to report the truth to the American people.
Community activists who push the illegal aliens to march in the streets and demand their rights.
A police chief that thinks gun control is a good way to disarm the citizens in his town or city.
The Secretary of Homeland Security who buys 3,000 tanks and two billion rounds of hollowpoint ammo for domestic use.
End result - Brennan will be nominated, no resolution of drone issue, Rand will be tired.
Nobody may care now, but word on the Arab street has it that John Brennan converted to Islam when on a trip to Saudi Arabia.
But... but... there is no right or wrong anymore. There is only blue and red. It's ok if the blue team kills and not ok if the red team kills. And vica-versa.
I must say this ties in rather nicely with your remarks at the end of the recent "acceptance speech" of Daniel Day-Lewis. Where are the modern day John Wilkes Booths?
dave steffen says:
Where are the modern day John Wilkes Booths?
Never mind that. Where are the John Wilkes Booth tees and music videos?
Even the Rabbit People can pull that thing together.
...But just the other day, we had Boehner tell us on MSNBC that balancing the budget - while simultaneously keeping defense from being cut - is a matter of national security. National security. It's for the veterans, as he put it.
Keeping the train greased with gravy is certainly more pressing than any executive (criminal) overreach of a president. Surely.
...Much less a president from the opposing party. Interesting, that.
Colorado Democrat and Anti-Second-Amendment legislator has quite a criminal history.
Even the Rabbit People can pull that thing together.
Saw on Instapundit today that there's a new theory the Neanderthanls died out because they weren't good enouhg at hunting rabbits.
Made me wonder if our own species is suffering from the same problem.
Tangent to the link above regarding Colorado Rep. Fields:
I remember hearing that one of the three that provided Harris and Klebold their firearms, who can be seen on a video target practicing with all involved and with said guns - was the only one not charged.*
And mysteriously this same acquitted accomplice ended up testifying a year later before (I think it was) Congress, stating that stricter gun laws might have prevented her from purchasing firearms for underage killers.
(*Part of this was said to be due to Colorado law regarding minors and rifles. That it was either a shotgun or a long rifle rather than the Tec-9 was apparently less aggravating. Although, she can be clearly seen shooting the shotgun on the target practice video. What's also clear is that it's sawed-off by this point - she and the others laugh at the amount of kickback it has after it practically dislocates both of her shoulders.)
I don't understand the fuss. Given the nature of our immigration policies and also non-policies, everyone on planet Earth is now already either an American, or an honorary American, or a [fill-in-the-blank]-American, or a pre-American. There's no distinction any longer. King Bammy blows up some guy in Yemen with a drone? How is he different from the utterly and forever alien Yemeni squatting in Buffalo with perfect legality by the shores of the Great Lakes? Neither one is an American, and both are.
If these are all Americans, I won't mind if the president starts blowing them up at a rather more accelerated pace. World enough and time.
Bread! Bread! Bread!
Rand will be the Republican Nominee in 2016.
Stand with rand.
Paul is absolutely right.
well duh
the republican assholes are too well-paid and well-vetted to object to the anti-God and anti-American arrogations of the president -- to snatch anybody he wants, whenever he wants... like what's next, chilean football-stadium roundups?
all hail President Thug of the United Sisterhood of Communistas! our New Day of Civil Rights has dawned lol
that it could already have gotten this far w/o ANYBODY in a position of official responsibility saying "um hell no" illustrates just how cowardly, emasculated, and far-gone this place is
at least this guy Paul can summon up enough manhood to mention that the ship is, in fact, fucking sinking hello?
I applaud the younger Paul. He is beginning to prove more and more, that he may well end up, as powerful a force as his father. Give him time.
The issue at hand, that Paul is addressing, is within the realm of what we call the fast or hard kill. The more sinister slow or soft kill, is one that needs more exposure to the fore. When the Pauls begin to exhort such acumen in that endeavor, I will be even more impressed.
Exhibit A:
BETRAYAL
I was based at Camp Lejeune with MCB between '80/'81, and then again with 2DMARDIV between '82/'83. First time I have heard about TCE/PCE. I have been more concerned about all the inoculations they pumped into me, over a three year period, not knowing for sure what was in those cocktails. My health to date, has yet to show any major measurable effects. Count that, by the Grace of God thus far.
To "switch tracks" here, and give a moment of encouragement and hope:
WHAT CAN BE DONE TO STOP THE THIRD FORCE COLD IN ITS TRACKS?
It can be argued that this sinister THIRD FORCE that provided the British Crown with the power to covertly dominate much of the world, was essentially stopped cold by the Founding Fathers in the American Revolution. [1] The question always arises , “well if the third force is so superior in intelligence why doesn’t it just kill off everyone in its way and just take over anytime it wants?” The best answer so far comes from those on the inside of the top power structures who have claimed that there are certain “Rules of Play” that must be obeyed by the Creator or the MAIN FORCE of the Universe. These rules have been described as: folks cannot have their innermost free-will taken away, they must be told what the super-elites are planning to do ahead of time, champions to fight them must be allowed to arise since the THIRD FORCE must win fair and square to demonstrate its superiority and full power, etc. In any event it does seem that although the THIRD FORCE and its cutouts are functioning as ruthless mass murdering sociopaths and parasites, they still operate by these “Rules of Play”. [2] And the one rule of play that seems to provide the opening is the mass awakening and actualization of the people with a common consciousness to fight this MASSIVE EVIL and creeping tyranny. It has worked before and it can work again. If the people wake up from their slumber in mass they can take back their country with out a civil war if the numbers are large enough. they have the power to do this without violence.
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[1] In this podcast (01-10-13), Dr. James also mentions the aspect that some believe this same instance also occurred with Luther and the Reformation.
[2] This same aspect is also discussed, repeatedly in Saussy's Rulers of Evil.
"If I ran for president, I would promise, if elected, to target every member of the Supreme Court (and Senate and probably more) via secret "national security" drone strikes within whatever interval of taking my oath. The next day every abortion clinic and abortionist's house would be a smoking crater. Complaints would be answered with the "unitary executive", a videotape of John Yoo, with an attempt to obscure the fact he has been renditioned and is being waterboarded as the recording is made.
Of course I would busy the international criminal court with prosecuting Bush, Rumsfeld. Cheney, and anyone else I want to throw under the bus, including Obama and his minions. If the ICC didn't like them I would arrange them to be dumped in the most convenient islamic fire-ant mound.
Maybe what we need is a libertarian Scylla."
My thoughts exactly. These idiots are so fucking vulnerable to being smited from above by a guy pretending to be on their side it isn't even funny. What I would do would be to rendition people like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck away on my first day in office. Not to Gitmo, but to a secret location where I would hold them for months,keeping them up in fine style with butlers and waiters at their beck and call,but not allow them to leave. This would buy the trust of the elite libs in media and elsewhere to give me a green light for anything else I wanted to do. My next action would be to repeal the amendments guaranteeing voting rights to traditional Democrat voters and process everyone who voted for Obama twice, twice in his first election, and twice in his second one. I would only extend voting rights back to white liberals after they sign a pledge not to organize politically. They can vote for whoever they want after they sign it, but no more activism under penalty of imprisonment, they can't be trusted with it. I would also make them say a pledge every day just like the North made the South do with the pledge of allegiance, only I'd make them stand up and say "Behold,here is a fool who would have removed the liberties of my countrymen and cast them in chains. My punishment for this is that I have had my liberties removed, and now stand subservient to those whom I would have enslaved. Do not pity me, for I would have done this and worse to all of you. Let the aspiring totalitarian look upon me, and tremble, for liberty shall never die in the United States of America.". Something like that.
In order to permanently insure that America never stood hostage to a tyrant as bad or worse than Barack Obama,I'd gladly assume the powers of a dictator, process all those who want to destroy our country and then return the power back to the people with safeguards against this kind of thing happening again, at least for another 100 years. Of course, anyone who'd allow me to do so would be a retard and I wouldn't trust them at all. The country should never be in the hands of one man,it's way too important. But the fact remains that this is the stake through the heart for the liberals who want to tear up the constitution and replace it with an authoritarian centralized all-powerful government.
Every single one of them could be rooted out,identified,processed and disposed of for good,and not only would they help you do it, they'd beg you to do it, and worship you for doing it, at least until they figured out who your real targets were. Then they'd start screaming about their constitutional rights,lol.
Raciss!
Well, he certainly made up for endorsing Romney - he's back on my like list.
Wow, so this is what a statesman looks like.
The moronic stooges and puppets that make up the remaining 98% of the Senate must be baffled and confused.
What Scoobius said. Since Yemenis, Afghans, Somalis, etc., can come and go from America to Yemen, Afghanistan, Somalia, etc., at will, there is no difference between blowing them up in America and blowing them up in Yemen, Afghanistan, Somalia, etc.
Moreover, the difference between a Yemeni, Afghan, a Somali, and what I would formerly have called a "real American" (white, native-born, English-speaker) is merely a stroke of a pen these days, the killing of such Americans-by-decree troubles me not at all. Faster, please!
13 hours. Epic. Yep, 'have to say I'm starting to like this guy...
OneWithChaos - so your plan is to be such a flat-out Sulla that the Republic would not want to appoint another dictator for a long time?
Meanwhile - the message I'm picking up here, is that a number of you would be just fine with the USG going around killing innocent people, as long as said people are not American Citizens(tm).
What gives your government the right to kill anyone?
What gives your government the right to kill anyone?
See: US Constitution, Article 1, Section 8.
Well done, Senator Paul
Meanwhile - the message I'm picking up here, is that a number of you would be just fine with the USG going around killing innocent people, as long as said people are not American Citizens(tm).
The message I'm picking up is you are a dumbass.
The message I'm picking up is you are a dumbas
Several people in this thread have said that they're ok with Obama killing non citizens.
Why is frank Norman a dumbass?
Glenn Greenwald often makes the point. As does Amconmag.[com]
Yup - you nailed it. Most adherents to the major parties are just boot lickers. Rush Limbaugh is willing to lick the boots of former Vice President Cheney, and yet will criticize Pres. Obama for continuing the exact policies he just got done virtually fellating the previous administration for.
You see the same exact thing with Pres. Obama and the democrats. He initially promised to put terrorism suspects on trial in open court. Imagine that. A real radical move. But that promise expired and now we back to sham military trials.
My main problem with Rand Paul is that I can't tell how serious he is. He hinted at the right course of action - forcing the President to abide by limitations of power. It would set off a constitutional showdown, but it's an important one that should be set off.
My only question is - is he willing to horse trade for it. Get some legislation which restricts the administration in some substantial manner. Pres. Obama has a long list of priorities, he could use the amendment process, filibusters, and reconciliation to get his own agenda mounted onto coming legislation.
I suspect in the end he's going to cave, mainly because he has designs on the Presidency, and he has no intention of really limiting the power of the Presidency.
I suspect in the end he's going to cave, mainly because he has designs on the Presidency, and he has no intention of really limiting the power of the Presidency.
I don't think he's going to cave, but there isn't really that much a single senator can do on his own, especially when the leadership of both parties are against restricting power.
I'm curious, though, what has rand said or done that leads you to believe he wants an imperial presidency?
"Meanwhile - the message I'm picking up here, is that a number of you would be just fine with the USG going around killing innocent people, as long as said people are not American Citizens(tm)"
I don't have the "are not american citizens" issue...
I think the facts are that the government has been killing people (citizens and non citizens) when and where they wanted since the beginning of the US government.. and the use of a drones is only one new toy for them to do it... In some aspects I hope there is some group up there in the government that is watching and if need be are eliminating those elements that need eliminating -- that's part of their job.
I think the real answer is that most of us are not worth the bother to kill -- they got to get up, leave the federal office, drive around, find you, shot you, pick up an forensic evidence, clean the gun .. and the paperwork .. even with computers its got to be way too much work ..... Now drones with hell-fire missiles .. do you think I am worth the cost of a hell-fire missile ? what does a hell fire missile cost ?.. I am not even sure I am worth the cost of the classic silenced 22lr behind the ear.
To the government 99% of the people are not worth the cost or effort to kill... its easier to give you religion, porn, booze, drugs and video games and let you waste yourselves.
Some callers on today's 'Cspans wash jounrn' was surprisingly ok with drones, a few callers were upset and not in favor of stateside UAV's - still too late, too little. It has been at least a few years since the warnings began about drones, the NDAA, FEMA, etc. However, what shall be deemed kill worthy and terrorrific in nature will be interesting. And now L Graham and McCain are telling Rand to back off?
This is how and why repubs want nothing to do with their own party.
"OneWithChaos - so your plan is to be such a flat-out Sulla that the Republic would not want to appoint another dictator for a long time?"
No. You're not paying attention. My plan would be to come to dictatorial power with the earnest desire of a bunch of simple-minded feebs who find the idea of autonomy overwhelmingly terrifying and "unfair" so that they want to enslave the able to prop up the human genetics equivalent of a turd that won't flush, and then with their full consent and approval,remove them from the face of the earth so that those who wanted to appoint a dictator in the first place would no longer be in society. Of course,people forget if things just disappear,so a few would be kept around to be pinatas for the wider society and live in a state of dhimmitude,which I'm sure they'll absolutely love. What they won't love,however, is getting their asses kicked by old women who believe in constitutional government as they pass them on the street and not being able to do anything about it,but stand arond and watch,the police will,as the weakest members of our society beat on stronger ones while the cops hold them down or just watch,kind of like what they envision doing to us.
The plan isn't to feed them the junk politics they want until they puke it back up, it's more like getting a rapist (anti-constitutionalists) who is holding a knife over a woman or child (a.k.a. America) to hand the knife to you, ostensibly to do some raping yourself,unzipping your pants and winking at the rapist,and then putting the knife in the scumbag rapist's back where it truly belongs.
"OneWithChaos March 07, 2013 1:25 PM
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The plan isn't to feed them the junk politics they want until they puke it back up, it's more like getting a rapist (anti-constitutionalists) who is holding a knife over a woman or child (a.k.a. America) to hand the knife to you, ostensibly to do some raping yourself,unzipping your pants and winking at the rapist,and then putting the knife in the scumbag rapist's back where it truly belongs.
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Congratulations, you've just graduated to the ranks of revolutionary back stabbing scum sucker. Just like all the other revolting back stabbing scum suckers.
The only difference being you might still wish to relinquish power once you've accomplished your overall goal.
The flaw in your plan is that once you start riding the tiger you will find that you can't get off without getting eaten. In other words, you will make enemies that you can't get rid of but staying in power shields you from their wrath. Stalemate. Welcome to the big time.
"I don't think he's going to cave, but there isn't really that much a single senator can do on his own, especially when the leadership of both parties are against restricting power."
all it would have taken twenty years ago is ONE prominent u.s. legislator to jump up and down about feminism, or affirmative action, and the nation could have been turned away from many of its domestic terrorism agendas
but . . . they didn't
when the right had control of the WH and congress, everybody just shut up and filled their pockets with moolah, and strutted arounds playing I'm Important Lookit Me
if this kid Paul stood up in front of the nation, and repeatedly pointed out the obvious truths (that nobody is allowed to mention) he could do tremendous good
but these guys (and gals) are always looking out for Number One, instead of looking out for the nation
so they all remained silent while the nation was subjugated by the neo-commie Fempire and its military/corporate/govt office constitutents
mentioning NOW that open warfare against the citizenry by the Supreme Leader isnt too kosher is just a wee bit tardy
"Congratulations, you've just graduated to the ranks of revolutionary back stabbing scum sucker. Just like all the other revolting back stabbing scum suckers."
Hey,it's a tough world. Which would you rather have,rules that only you must abide by while people who wish to kill you ignore them and do as they please,deciding the limits of your freedom for you, or a temporary descent to a morally grotesque position which allows the rule of law to continue to function for everyone as it was intended to?
"The flaw in your plan is that once you start riding the tiger you will find that you can't get off without getting eaten. In other words, you will make enemies that you can't get rid of but staying in power shields you from their wrath. Stalemate. "
What if I didn't care? What if I went into the situation with the belief that it was likely that those whose benefit I was acting in the interest of would probably be the ones to kill me for doing it?
Also,see where I said this above:"Of course, anyone who'd allow me to do so would be a retard and I wouldn't trust them at all."
I'm not ever going to be in a position to do any of it. I would be scared as hell if things got so bad that people put their trust in me to solve the problems we face. Not because I'm afraid of being assassinated or repercussions or even the difficulty of the job,but because things would have to be unimaginably horrific to require such a radical solution. I'm not saying I could do it, or would do it (for real,not as a hypothetical), or will do it, all I'm saying is that it could be done. And,like it or not, these are the rules the other guys are playing by. You read a daily affirmation of it on sites like this one,I'm sure. We're looking at all the same materials, that fact must have occured to you. It's probable that not implementing a solution like this will result in open slavery or extinction of our people.
Of course,there are always the questions of "If this it what survival requires, do we really want to?".I'll leave you to grapple with your own conscience,but the people who want to see you disarmed,enslaved,or dead aren't losing any sleep over that question. It appears they will live with themselves with no trouble at all after doing these things to you and your family.
It's easy to misunderstand a thought exercise like this over the internet.
It's like if I said "If I were Adolf Hitler,I would have just blockaded England with my Navy and shelled their cities until there was no one left,fuck all this chasing supply convoys around with U-Boats business" and you respond (as I would expect anyone to) with "You bastard! What do you want to kill the Jews for?".
I don't want to kill any Jews,I just want to discuss military strategies in a purely hypothetical sense,divorced from moral considerations or societal and economic implications,using historic examples.
Do you see what I mean?
How does one speak on topic for 13 hours? I read that he didn't even look at his notes initially.
Rand Paul could be right, but give the rest of the Republican Party some credit for standing their ground on their principles. It would be the ultimate hypocrisy for the entire Republican Party to suddenly change its position. Actually, this event makes President Obama and the Democratic Party look worse. The hammering of George Bush for his policies was fine, but now the Democrats have continued his policies and went further. That is precious.
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