Mailvox: rabbits gonna rabbit
And Asher's gonna asher:
"Your "it" has no clear object of reference."
It is sufficiently clear to the sufficiently intelligent. I often find Asher's take on things to be more than a little fascinating. It's rather like watching a retarded Spock in action. His attempts at ad hominem are the best; they resemble someone attempting to trash talk in a language they've studied for three semesters in college.
"And I suppose you your mother find sex response to attract, yes?"
"He's not dumb but when I point out that without science and philosophy everything that makes his art media possible wouldn't exist. It doesn't even register with him."Yes, science being a necessary condition for various art media is clearly the most obvious possibility. And yes, I sound EXACTLY like Amanda Marcotte.
It clearly runs in the family.
"The most obvious possibility is that the "it" refers to science being a necessary condition for various art media used by my brother. However, the reference doesn't make any sense given the context which is that I am aware of the scientific advances that make my brother's visual art possible.
The other possibility for Vox's "it" is that "things" don't register for me. Fine, but that is, in itself, an empty reference. What things? Everything? Some things? If not everything then what set of things? Vox doesn't make this clear, and, in doing so he ends up sounding like Amanda Marcotte.
"Your "it" has no clear object of reference."
It is sufficiently clear to the sufficiently intelligent. I often find Asher's take on things to be more than a little fascinating. It's rather like watching a retarded Spock in action. His attempts at ad hominem are the best; they resemble someone attempting to trash talk in a language they've studied for three semesters in college.
"And I suppose you your mother find sex response to attract, yes?"
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Why is it that "good" "yes" and "of course" always get used like punctuation by eastern Europeans?
"It is sufficiently clear to the sufficiently intelligent."
I suspect that it's less insufficient intelligence and more sociopathy.
Exactly, a retarded Spock. His critique of metaphysics is literally a brain fault. His linearity gets interrupted by any break. Behold the future of AI.
Asher reminds me of that theory on The Big Bang tv series. (Penny calls it the dead cat theory). Only in this case, instead of the cat in the box who is either alive or not alive, we have a troll who's not quite a troll as the example. We just have to continue reading him before making a final judgement.
Why is it that "good" "yes" and "of course" always get used like punctuation by eastern Europeans?
I ESL they ram 'Yes' and 'good' down our throats. It's all the Soviet-era yes-men teaching English, if you ask me.
Asher, did you by chance ever study in a yeshiva?
The cruelty artist is back in business...
Why is it that "good" "yes" and "of course" always get used like punctuation by eastern Europeans?
In Soviet Russia, sentence diagram you!
Hrmm? Free entertainment, if you ask me. Which... you sort of implied by putting this in a open comment blog. It's the little things, folks.
His attempts at ad hominem are the best
Cue a five hundred word comment by agent aspie about howthat example wasn't ad hominem...
"In Soviet Russia, sentence diagram you, of course!"
fixed.
It or it?
Frill it!
Bunch of dumb ITS!
need more coffee ... dang! ... need more of it!
But at long last Asher's prayers are answered. He finally has a comment thread on his most cherished topic.
Himself.
Yeah oh?!? Well momma or sister anal take the fudge and find the ring cock skillfully!
Well, we had a Bearded Spock, so I guess a Retarded Spock is just Evolution in action.
fixed
Yes, good many thanks to you, yes.
Asher is effete pedagogue, no?
of course.
cisibo?
http://www.theonion.com/video/autistic-reporter-train-thankfully-unharmed-in-cra,20098/
I've only had 2 cups of coffee... so I'm going to refrain from html code voodoo... lest I sprain something.
regardless...
for your enjoyment, yes?
Yes, fine is the train, of course.
and right now... Asher is reading this... totally convinced that we are making fun of him for his eastern European ancestry... and he thinks we're all really stupid because he isn't actually eastern European.
Asher's attempts at argument remind me of the time I caught my 7-year-old daughter trash-talking on X-Box Live. She had been previously banned from it, of course, but late one evening I heard her screaming at the TV, "You ain't got no chili," followed by various other barely comprehensible insults and allegations concerning paternity. Putting on my dad face, I walked into the TV room to start a little talk.
What I discovered was her two older brothers playing Halo online, completely owning a pair of very frustrated strangers. The daughter sat between them, not playing, but wearing brother's microphone headset. She had been placed in charge of psyops by her brothers, responsible for nothing but making them think they were being owned by a 7-year-old girl with about 5 insults at her command. Technically, she pointed out, she wasn't playing the game. I was laughing too hard to make her stop anyway.
I'm not sure how it all relates to Asher, really, but every time I read stuff like "If not everything then what set of things?" I hear in my head, "You ain't got no chili."
Incompetent foreign language trash talk dozens rap battles ought to be a thing.
This Vox is not no mother enjoying MG
I know what he's lips say against me
I grab it, Grammar Rabbit! And when I running off
He not viewing how fast I go pee
Everbodies in the 952! Don't think too hard or follow through!
That is freaking awesome.
@ El Borak,
Oh that is hilarious!
Asher aint got no chili.
and I am reminded that Halo is the worst online gaming community in the world.
The freaking awesome comment referred to el borak's story, not Daniel's wigger atrocity
She had been placed in charge of psyops by her brothers
Pure genius! "You ain't got no chili!" This makes me happy.
Asher aint got no chili.
You don't know that, he could have a pot on the stove.
And why would you think an eastern European wouldn't eat Tex Mex food? Do you think he's some kind of food racist?
Should we spell it out for the poor guy or watch him squirm as he tries to understand?
Watch him squirm. Yes.
Obviously the chili is referring to intellectual state created by the trash talking 7 year old girl.
so the reference itself doesn't even make sense... as I have just shown, of course.
Guys..
What's are the odds Asher is related to Les Miles?
Les Miles on Twitter: "If you're consumed by getting onto your electrical social media it can be a problem."
"I look forward to the opportunity at very positive consequences beyond finishing the season strong." - Les Miles
I'm telling you... there has to be some shared DNA here.
I'm managing to follow the In/Deflation debate through the mazes of the definition of money, but Asher can't seem to understand most of the simplest terms at times. Maybe he is really an attempt at AI - computers tend to be very logical but utterly clueless. Eliza with a neural network that was fed a lot of philosophical jargon plus an "attitude" simulator.
oh come on TZ... what's so hard... Money is deferentially diagnosed by behavior. if it is acting like money.. its money. Apart from that... we have some characteristics that define what "acting like money" is... and I have put forth a concept of a competition among commodities by which the dominant becomes money.
What's so hard?
Les miles on the oil spill:
“Well, it uh, the impact is more of a … you know … anything, anything along the … the uh … the … shore and those issues are very serious issues and there … the impact is on the … the uh (long pause) you know, what is, the natural resource of our country, uh, but ah … I don’t know that it’s, I don’t know exactly, uh, to what extent it’s being handled well and managed or mismanaged I have no idea.
The only thing I know is it’s very sincere and it’s, it’s uh, it affects more than Louisiana and it affects (muffled pause) … the ocean.”
"Well, we had a Bearded Spock, so I guess a Retarded Spock is just Evolution in action."
No, that would be Devolution in action. (not a reference to the group Devo).
I'm telling you... there is some communication disorder that Les Miles and Asher share.
The want of metaphor in Asher is strong
The want of metaphor in Asher is strong, yes?
I'm telling you... there is some communication disorder that Les Miles and Asher share.
Degrees in Communication from Yogi Berra Learning Center?
You retards propose to have a debate on inflation and yet you can't even decide what money is. It's turning out to be as retarded as the God/gods/ghosts debate withh Dominic. Asher had some good critiques of that on his blog actually.
Asher: if you have thoughts on a topic here just post them on your blog.
Yes Asher. Please post a link to your blog too, of course, yes?
"You retards propose to have a debate on inflation and yet you can't even decide what money is. "
The want of reading comprehension is strong, of course.
El Borak,
That just makes it definite that kids are on the list. And probably a little more chili.
This thread reads like Zero Wing translated by Borat.
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Asher has a blog?
"What's are the odds Asher is related to Les Miles?"
He picks off the field the grass and eats it, yes?
@Borak, that's absolutely awesome! "You aint got no chili!"
The want of Asher chili weak is, of course?
I think the most amusing thing I've seen today, besides El Borak's yarn obviously, is the claim that Asher, who cannot reliably understand basic communication, somehow understands the abstract concepts being communicated in the debate.
The odds of Asher being able to get through one of my debate posts with a comprehension rate of even 50% are simply staggering. There are to many unspoken but understood concepts being referred to for him to even begin to understand what I'm saying.
To clarify... if I say, "Stop that!" everyone knows that what I am actually saying is "you stop that". The "you" isn't spoken, but its understood.
There is something in Asher's brain that is broken... so he cannot understand that there is an unspoken "you" there. For asher... "Stop that" isn't a sentence. There is no subject. Who? Who should stop that? and what? stop what?
He's just broken, yes?
I had bypass surgery in Jan. The chili thing is making me laugh so hard it makes my the place where they cracked open my chest hurt. Please stop.
So, my lack of chili means you like to think my mother and me as centerless pastry in couple with pickling vegetable to fornicating, yes? How you say, Dunking Donut, of course yes? Please to establish this mental image for me to use, okay yes? No more jokes, please okay yes? Try not to think of such things, yes please. Fiddlesticks.
buzzcut.. ftw.
Buzzcut,
That was awesome
Thread wins buzzcut, no?
Tie. El Borak and Buzzcut.
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My sides are killing me.
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/android.htm
I hereby nominate "You ain't got no chili." for as a new tag for posts which deal with aspie types.
I'm concerned for Boogeyman though. He should scroll past Buzzcut, yes?
This is all to much "You can't quit me, I'm fired".
El Borak wins. Vox, I formally request that "You ain't got no chili!" be added to the Voxicon.
Many years ago I had the good pleasure of working with a fellow who more often than not thought along Boolean lines of thought ... specifically NOT logic.
He was exteremly comfortable with this train of thought. It was very difficult adjusting to his programming code during his walkthroughs. At this time no normal coding constraints were in force, otherwise his code would have been rejected for unecessary complexity.
Nonetheless, I always wanted him on my review team because he had the ability to see some problems what most people invaribly couldn't see.
At that time he was writing his own assembler. Not a trival undertaking. Socially he was great to be around.
Deserved critism aside, on the topic at hand Asher readily appears to be a fellow libertarian ... those of whom appear to be in short supply.
What I've learned on this blog is that when you make unfounded or stupid comments / assertions, it usually is corrected, sometimes irreverently and without lube. It then becomes my burden to figure out what "it" is, and make the proper adjustments, or take my stand and endure the slings and arrows. For someone who, as a child, flirted with the aspie spectrum, this blog has been both a source of pain, pleasure and learning.
Nope. El Borak for the win because his of 7yo daughter the budding comic.
I second JartStar. "You ain't got no chili" is a classic for the ages.
The term retarded is considered offensive. Try to be above Ann Coulter.
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Deserved critism aside, on the topic at hand Asher readily appears to be a fellow libertarian ... those of whom appear to be in short supply."
No. Asher is only superficially a libertarian. At the core... he's a statist. All you have to do is ask him about the word "sovereign"... of course!
"The term retarded is considered offensive. Try to be above Ann Coulter."
Pick name you water-headed mongoloid.
"The term retarded is considered offensive."
Only by twinks and retards. It's ok.
The term is fine.
The term is fine.
This is the liveliest Friday around these parts in awhile, no?
She had been placed in charge of psyops by her brothers, responsible for nothing but making them think they were being owned by a 7-year-old girl with about 5 insults at her command.
That made me laugh.
I hereby nominate "You ain't got no chili." for as a new tag for posts which deal with aspie types.
What make this double plus good, specifically in reference to Asher, is that it is a metaphysical chili. HA!
I'm waiting for the hit single You Ain't Got No Chill by Retarded Spock and the Yard Trolls.
Vox, you still do any studio work?
Metaphysical chili is a category error!
He's just broken, yes?
Of course.
Wait a second, is the above considered a sentence or just all punctuation now?
Metaphysical Chili will be the name of my next band...or book...or child...whichever comes first.
Wow, this is just as fun as the 'how not to run for SF prez.
#youaintgotnochili
Ho ho, now I am thinking you were having joke on me, okay? Let me tell you something, yes my friend. When you are coming in my country, chili or not, we are not always saying these things you say about how you strangle someone's poultry or slap primates' buttocks, no sir my friend! Yes? The old men would often speak from squeezing of weasels, but no more, yes? Weasels we are forbidden from squeeze, okay!
Which of the following is correct:
a) No, is good of course. Yes?
b) No is good. Of course, yes?
c) No. Is good of course. Yes?
d) No, is. Good of course, yes?
Only one answer of course is good. No? Of course.
Only one answer, of course, is good. No? Of course.
Better, no?
Actually, Asher's favorite topic is not himself, he just has the honesty and attention hyperspan compulsion that leads him to self reveal extensively in the course of discussing the ideas that interest him. But it's the ideas that interest him; he struggles to even see the personal, relative to most people. Which is why his ad hom is so ham-fisted and conceptually derived. Perfectly encapsulted by the Parthian metaphysics.
But it's the ideas that interest him
I don't think so. It is the debate that interests him. The subject matter is secondary. He likes to focus in on the topic of metaphysics because that allows him to employ the strategy of not taking a hard position while he incessantly wanders off on tangential pedantry until he wears his perceived opponent out. It's rather obvious that first creating and then winning debates is the only thing he is really interested in.
"Weasels we are forbidden from squeeze, okay!"
That sort of thing makes me think of what a handy, useful word (or fragment, really) a thing like "okay" is, and of the bizarre roundabout way in which it entered the language and came to make itself useful.
(TRANCE-LIKE PYROMANIAC "FIRE IS COOL" THOUSAND-YARD STARE): Language is cool.
And okay is good, yes? Is not for the no of the thing, is for better, okay?
He likes to focus in on the topic of metaphysics because that allows him to employ the strategy of not taking a hard position while he incessantly wanders off on tangential pedantry until he wears his perceived opponent out.
We have assurances from Asher that he never argues metaphysics.
I hope the " it question" was a joke, for his sake.
You ain't got no chili...but you got PIGS IN THE AZALEAS, yes?
I leave you for a few weeks, and this is what you lemmings get up to.
And as you well know, it is not of chili that Little Miss Borak spoke. She clearly meant "boeuf bourguinon". You see, it makes little sense that she would say "chili", considering that most people would have at least one can of such in their respective pantries. No, she meant boeuf bourguinon, because why would she allege that someone lacked something they were very likely to have?
No, this was a clear case of gastronomical snobbery. Never mind that she actually said "chili". You know what she meant, unless you are intellectually dishonest and also excessively metaphysical, you Jezebel feminist trolls.
Welcome back, Loki. :)
Eagle has landing.
Welcome back, Loki. :)
/clears throat/
KNEEL.
Loki of Asgard March 08, 2013 2:07 PM
You see, it makes little sense that she would say "chili", considering that most people would have at least one can of such in their respective pantries.
Silly mythological entity, this is exactly the reason the insult is so stunningly spot on, and with ne'er a comeback to be had. The fact that someone wouldn't have chili in one's pantry would indeed make them quite the pathetic, lowly peasant - worthy of much scorn and derision. I'm afraid you ain't got no chili, god dude.
Silly mythological entity, this is exactly the reason the insult is so stunningly spot on, and with ne'er a comeback to be had. The fact that someone wouldn't have chili in one's pantry would indeed make them quite the pathetic, lowly peasant - worthy of much scorn and derision. I'm afraid you ain't got no chili, god dude.
Yes, but the most obvious possibility is that the "chili" refers to being "l33t". However, the reference doesn't make any sense given the context which is that chili is mundane and boeuf bourguignon being much more l33t. Now tell me, small-minded mortal, how implying that a mere can of Hormel rubbish could defeat her brothers, who are implied to be l33t.
Clearly, she meant boeuf bourguignon.
The other possibility for Little Miss Borak's "chili" is that she is referring to the ability to open a can of something else entirely on her brothers. Fine, but that is, in itself, an empty reference. What cans? Every can? Some cans? If not every can then what set of cans? Little Miss Borak doesn't make this clear, and, in doing so she ends up sounding like Leeroy Jenkins.
I fear you are guilty of a category error, and in either case, the chili is likely to be in violation of the kosher laws of the Old Testament. Everyone involved is a hypocrite. I know this because I am not a Jew.
You know, I didn't even remember that whole stupid "hell" argument with Asher until you brought it up, my lord.
@Nate - It isn't hard, other than I've read Mises and understand his definitions and you and Vox create new ones or redefine and it has been many years since I've read Mises OHA or ToM&C. It isn't hard, but does take some effort.
And I hope you saw my clarification on guns - Only if I personally felt I had the right to myself remove a weapon (e.g. a drunk creating an immediate danger by using it irresponsibly) would I condone it being done by the state. For me the State is merely an extension of myself enforcing my rights since I would rather not do it myself professionally 24/7.
To clarify... if I say, "Stop that!" everyone knows that what I am actually saying is "you stop that". The "you" isn't spoken, but its understood.
There is something in Asher's brain that is broken... so he cannot understand that there is an unspoken "you" there. For asher... "Stop that" isn't a sentence. There is no subject. Who? Who should stop that? and what? stop what?
He's just broken, yes?
I would hope it is not beyond repair.
I've (sigh) analyzed at length Asher's incomprehension in what appears to be a futile attempt at aid. Perhaps this is merely a new and very malignant form of Apserge's? (On that I mean to ask Vox sometime about Penn Jillette's book on Atheism, unless the new-atheist chorus condemns it I can't be sure it is any good, and he groks Catholicism smacking down the claimed Catholic CNN Piers Morgan).
There is a second defect. If I was unclear as to the object, I would ask "Did you mean that X should 'stop that'", not launch into at least six paragraphs explaining that "stop" might or might not mean halt, a traffic sign, or whatever, and who knows what he would say for the word "that" - in whatever philosophical terms he got from who knows where, all in a condescending way that would annoy all.
Maybe he has opened his mind to lobotomies.
Loki of Asgard March 08, 2013 4:29 PM
Now listen here you overgrown imp, you are purposely misconstruing a very simple can of chili into a can of worms, and as I have not an eternity at my immediate disposal, I will not waste any more time on the matter.
"Maybe he has opened his mind to lobotomies."
Tz... you raise insult to a high art.
AI or Aspergers, I surmised. So. I'm not the only one who can recognize the pattern then, eh Asher?
@Loki
Are the costs of consuming bad food gastronomical?
I have rightgard for my axillae, but really don't want to ask what Assgard is for.
Now listen here you overgrown imp, you are purposely misconstruing a very simple can of chili into a can of worms, and as I have not an eternity at my immediate disposal, I will not waste any more time on the matter.
I said nothing of worms, although it is clear that chili made of worms is proof positive that allowing members of other, hostile racial subgroups to continue living in your society is directly hazardous to your health. You should slay their children forthwith, should you discover worms in your chili.
I know you are not speaking of metaphorical worms because I am a master of metaphors, so I would recognise a metaphor if you used one. Stop trying to straddle the practical/metaphysical divide, you leftist fiend.
@Nate Tz... you raise insult to a high art.
It's a gift, but it is better to give than to receive. There are many to this day who have not realized the import of my words.
Thanks for the compliment.
I have rightgard for my axillae, but really don't want to ask what Assgard is for.
It is a repellent for people who bray stupid questions at me.
Have you quite got the lame attempts at puns out of your system now, you mule-ing quim? Or shall we burro deeper into territory none wish to go?
@Loki, contaminated chili can lead to gastronomic and intestinal worms.
And I apply rightgard to my left axilla but using a mirror.
contaminated chili can lead to gastronomic and intestinal worms.
Now, now, there is no need to redirect conversation to the circumstances of your birth.
Evil gods... always with the posturing. What is it with the evil gods and the posturing? yes yes yes... mighty power... and all that... eternal and immortal.. blah blah blah...
Have you considered just take a bit of that power and employing it to get yourself over your daddy issues? I mean if you had tits you be on the pole somewhere with singles laying around you on the stage.
Look we get it.. daddy liked Thor better than you. whatever. After several millenia I think its probably time for you to get over it.
T-Shirts now available.
"T-Shirts now available."
It is humbling being on hand to observe the birth of a meme.
Rand Paul could certainly have made use of this during his filibuster the other night:
To anyone who would equivocate on the President's authority regarding the use of drones to kill US citizens on US soil, I would respond, without hesitation, unequivocally, and in humble deference to our Almighty God, by whom our rights are endowed, "You ain't got no chili!"
"I don't think so. It is the debate that interests him. The subject matter is secondary."
Yes, but the question is why. You think it's ego, which is incorrect, although intellectual ego is there. Actually it's the 1:1 truth compulsion. Like a neat freak.
Incidentally, I am concerned to know whether Loki's mind control trick comes with some sort of mitigation for idiocy. Otherwise, Asher might not make the best minion.
Nate, wouldn't it be fun to say the exact same thing to Satan's face?
#youaintgotnochili
Meanwhile in Finland
Markku March 08, 2013 8:28 PM
Meanwhile in Finland
Now, this is a very good example of someone who clearly got chili. The dude got chili coming out his ears.
Makes a great gift!
"Incidentally, I am concerned to know whether Loki's mind control trick comes with some sort of mitigation for idiocy. Otherwise, Asher might not make the best minion."
Given that over the millennia he has never been able to actually take advantage of his brother's obvious mental deficit... we can safely conclude that he is still working the bugs out on that bit.
This.
Waterboy "You ain't got no chili...but you got PIGS IN THE AZALEAS, yes?"
And no one flinches?
I despair.
Vox finally gives Asher his own blog post and the Alpuny god Loki returns.
Now who took my f#ckin chilli!?
Where is Asher anyway? This thread seems to have no Asher.
Perhaps he is wise enough to stay out of it.
Nate says:
Evil gods...blah blah blah...Mighty Overlord of this pathetic realm, my wife is away so would you please pay attention to me? I shall attempt to enrage you by taunting you about the injustices you have continually suffered throughout your life, because I lack the skills requisite for actual badinage. It will be fun!
I missed you too, mortal. You have always been an amusing target.
Incidentally, I am concerned to know whether Loki's mind control trick comes with some sort of mitigation for idiocy. Otherwise, Asher might not make the best minion.
I had considered it. However, it seemeth me that he is better suited to being a useful idiot.
I do have standards, you know.
Actually it's the 1:1 truth compulsion.
I don't know what that means, but as far as truth goes, Asher has assured us that nobody knows what that is. When asked how he knows that to be true, typically he promptly scurries over to some tangential definitional pedantry to avoid directly answering the question or he just runs away. Is this what you're talking about?
BTW, I don't think it's exclusively an ego problem or a mental defect. I think it is, at least partially, a defective worldview, but you can never get him to fully describe what that worldview is so you can never effectively address it. And that, I believe, is either by design or he simply doesn't have a comprehensible description of it worked out for himself yet.
Given that over the millennia he has never been able to actually take advantage of his brother's obvious mental deficit... we can safely conclude that he is still working the bugs out on that bit.
Millennium. I cannot see why you continue to make this mistake, unless you are more deficient than I had initially assumed.
And, in fact, I have often made great strides in manipulating the large idiot, including the time I made him beat himself even more senseless simply by appealing to his ego.
Asher has explicitly, without prompting, denied the correspondence view of truth. That should tell you everything you need to know, Koanic.
No, Asher, I won't discuss this with you. Yes, yes, jezebellite, yadda yadda.
"Millennium. I cannot see why you continue to make this mistake, unless you are more deficient than I had initially assumed."
Millennia. The plural form. As in thousands of years.
Oh the irony of mere mortal having to explain this to an immortal god... no doubt your lingering daddy issues blind you to the obvious... of course.
"And, in fact, I have often made great strides in manipulating the large idiot, including the time I made him beat himself even more senseless simply by appealing to his ego."
and yet in spite of this... Daddy still likes him better.
Or maybe he is just a wee babby for a god.
Hmm... Divine terrible twos would explain a lot.
"Millennium. I cannot see why you continue to make this mistake, unless you are more deficient than I had initially assumed."
Millennia. The plural form. As in thousands of years."
You're talking past each other. 'Millennia' is of course the correct plural form. But 'millenium' means two things in English: in Latin it means a thousand years, and millennia, its plural, means several or many (un-numbered) thousands of years. In English millenium means that, but it also means an epoch, an era, a thing that has a beginning and an end, whether it's a literal thousand years or not; the latent meaning being that however long, it comes to an end. It implies a terminus, as in the casual, "the millenium is approaching."
The Nordic gods are not eternal, and they don't see themselves that way. They see themselves as living in a millenium, and subject to a doom which they cannot escape. Some guy a while back wrote this whole zany thing about it all called "Gotterdammerung," but I can only hum a few bars of it. "Die Valkyrie" is a lot catchier. I really like Fricka's tirade in particular.
In English millenium means that, but it also means an epoch, an era, a thing that has a beginning and an end, whether it's a literal thousand years or not; the latent meaning being that however long, it comes to an end. It implies a terminus, as in the casual, "the millenium is approaching."
Can you find an actual quote that proves such a meaning? The dictionaries at dict.org know only of a period of exactly one thousand years, or the specific Millennium mentioned in Revelation.
Which in turn could be exactly one thousand years, or indefinite but long period, depending on your theology. But that ambiguity is only in that particular Millennium, which is not what Loki could have been talking about. The ambiguity is not in the word itself, but in that the word refers to a particular Biblical concept, which could arguably involve a metaphorical usage of the word.
("Arguably" doesn't mean that I take that view seriously.)
Millennia. The plural form. As in thousands of years.
Do pardon me, but your mortal mathematics must be beyond me. I never knew that 1,048 was the same as two millennia or more.
He's full-grown. Trust me.
"Do pardon me, but your mortal mathematics must be beyond me. I never knew that 1,048 was the same as two millennia or more."
Are you really that young?
I just assumed you had existed in some form far longer than we knew.
Well... divine terrible twos it is then... no doubt several millennia from now you will have finally worked out your daddy issues. I mean we mere mortals usually manage it in just a few decades or even just a few years.
Guess you are just a little slow.
Quick research places Loki's revenge in the second phase of Norse world history. Which gives me a terrible thought...
Surely we aren't having this discussion in the Marvel continuum?
Guess you are just a little slow.
Or mayhap not so blessed with the ability to forget as you.
Why, in a scant few generations, your people have unlearned liberty and do not merely fail to protest their enslavement, but demand that shackles be put upon them. Is this not one of your own complaints--or have you already forgotten?
No, I am not near so malleable as one of you mortals.
My people are blithering idiots.
What your excuse?
My people are blithering idiots.
...I mean we mere mortals usually manage it in just a few decades or even just a few years.
So your recommendation is that I should become, like you, a blithering idiot.
I see. I shall, as you put it, "get right on it".
no... sadly.... you won't. The banter here provides a nice distraction... and I'm sure sygin does as well... but its only a matter of time before you start feeling sorry for yourself again.
nothing worse an whiner... except an evil overlord whiner.
and isn't it bloody typical... its not a fault of yours that you cant get over your daddy issues... no no... its just all because you're so darned awesome and super smart. THAT is why you can't get over the fact that your daddy liked the bumbling idiot more.
Now it makes sense. Instead of the Loki whose rebellion happened before mankind was even born, we have a little comic book god here.
Isn't that nice? Yeah, why don't you go away and work on that Ragnarök of yours. I'm sure it'll turn out super scary.
"I'm sure it'll turn out super scary."
I'll bet everyone will be wearing tights. it will be just fabulous.
"Can you find an actual quote that proves such a meaning?"
Scooby is a friendly talking dog who helps a bunch of wacky teenagers to solve mysteries, which typically involve a middle-aged property owner who for some reason thought he could solve all his worldly problems by dressing up as a monster or a ghost. Why a grown man would think this was a plausible solution to his problems, was usually a far greater mystery than the actual scary mystery at hand.
The point being, Scooby is a friendly talking dog, not a research assistant.
But since you are a charming and delightful fellow, I will point you in the direction of "millenialism" and its related subject "millenarianism" which take as their root the meaning you first indicated, but stretches it a little. English is a very elastic language, and often dictionaries do not help. Mediaeval Chinese peasant rebellions, for instance, were not Christian and often did not have a numerology based exactly on a thousand-year cycle, but because they posited a sort of mass-hysterical outlook based on the vague idea of an epoch coming to an end, we sometimes call them "millenarian" or "millenialist" in English for the sake of convenience. Other stuff, too, like the zany idea of a "Thousand-Year Reich", which probably didn't intend to pack up and quit exactly after a thousand years, had we the misfortune of its lasting that long.
You get the idea.
But now I think I hear Shaggy calling me, and also there's that matter of the haunted light-house which needs some looking into. Velma thinks the whole thing seems a little odd, and she may not be wrong. Cheers!
The point being, Scooby is a friendly talking dog, not a research assistant.
Well, since Loki turned out to have spoken about a literal 1000 years, and Wikipedia says on Millenarianism "The term is more generically used to refer to any belief centered around 1000-year intervals", then it is looking very much like the old hound was talking out of his hindside. Just because the 1000 years might have a little bit of give or take involved doesn't help your argument, since the debate was between one or several millennia. That's a difference of 1000 years at the very least.
There once a god named Loki
Who was tossed around coz he's puny
And yet he stood up
Brushed off all the pulp
And squealed at his betters
"YOU AIN'T GO NO CHILLI!!!"
"then it is looking very much like the old hound was talking out of his hindside."
Well before anything else, I must congratulate you there for a marvelous turn of phrase. My assumption has been that you're Finnish, so I presume English is a second or maybe even a third language for you -- in which case, good ear, my man! I doubt if I studied Finnish for a dozen years I could write a thing that witty in the language.
But when you're talking to me about language, dictionaries and Wikipedia and what Loki says are not going to be your friends. Wikipedia is no, yes? Is for children, yes, better, of course! Back in another lifetime when I was studying imperial China with some of the leading scholars in the field, we routinely called popular rebellions like the Red Turbans/White Lotus and the Heavenly Kingdom of Great Peace "millenarian" or "millenialist," not because of a literal devotion to a thousand-year numerology, but by way of a complex analogy, given that the movements were simultaneously political/economic rebellions and also overlaid with zany cosmic teleologies. You can do things like that in English, 'tis better thus.
When Tony Kushner called his famous play "Millenium Approaches", he didn't just mean that the year 2000 was coming up soon on the calendar. He intended to convey a sense of portent, of doom.
When it comes to these matters, my hindside is generally going to be a better guide for you than most people's frontal pie-holes. Dig it.
You laugh. You mock at me. But I will point this out to you:
I conquered Asher's special thread, and you helped me do it.
FOOLS!
All hail Loki!
Conqueror of Asher's thread!
All hail Asher!
He brought back Loki from the dead!
I'll bet everyone will be wearing tights. it will be just fabulous.
Leather, or sharp suits. Silly.
He brought back Loki from the dead!
I was not dead. Rather, I took a sabbatical to rethink my methodology in conquering your pathetic realm.
I have a new plan, and it involves chickens. You cannot stop me!
"You laugh. You mock at me. But I will point this out to you:
I conquered Asher's special thread, and you helped me do it."
No.. That was El Borak and Buzzcut.
Well before anything else, I must congratulate you there for a marvelous turn of phrase. My assumption has been that you're Finnish, so I presume English is a second or maybe even a third language for you -- in which case, good ear, my man! I doubt if I studied Finnish for a dozen years I could write a thing that witty in the language.
Third on paper, second by any honest reckoning. But of course, the comparison isn't quite fair; the only way you could have similar exposure to a foreign language is if it were Spanish and you were very unlucky in life.
As for the issue at hand, not really knowing the play nor Chinese rebellions, I can almost see how 2000 years or more could count as a millennium in some circumstances, if I squint my eyes just the right way.
But you might wonder that the right way bears striking resemblance to a sceptical face.
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