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Tuesday, April 23, 2013

Don't be afraid of killer immigrants

Relax, most immigrants aren't going to kill you.  They're only going to lower wage rates, pollute the environment, live off your social benefits, transform your culture and your legal system, and make the USA considerably more like the third world hellholes from which they have escaped. The real problem, according to the Washington Post, isn't a few murderous immigrants, but lawmakers stoking fear in the native populace:
CYNICS IN CONGRESS, eager to derail landmark legislation to overhaul the nation’s broken immigration system, have seized on last week’s events in Boston as a pretext to slow momentumon the issue. In the process, they may unwittingly provide a push for the very bill they hope to derail.

With scant regard for the actual immigration status of the bombing suspects, who came to this country legally as minors, Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) nonetheless framed the attacks in Boston in the context of the debate over immigration. With a suspect still at large Friday, he asked, “How do we ensure that people who wish to do us harm are not eligible for benefits under the immigration laws, including this new bill before us?”

His fellow Republican, Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, then sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), arguing that the Senate “should not proceed [with immigration reform] until we understand the specific failures in our immigration system.”

Just what flaws in the immigration system are the senators talking about? The failure to divine the future and predict that Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was a teenager when his family immigrated, and his surviving brother, Dzhokhar, who was 9, might become radicalized years after arriving?
Well, yes.  After all, we have been repeatedly ensured that the younger they are, the better immigrants will integrate and become Real White Americans who evere the Constitution, value American liberties, and vote in exactly equal numbers for Republicans and Democrats.

I know the Washington Post likes to blame everything on Republicans in Congress, but honestly, I would think that even the most propaganda-oriented progressive would admit that immigrants planting bombs and killing Americans is a perfectly rational reason to be less than wildly enthusiastic about immigration.

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Anonymous Josh April 23, 2013 1:03 PM  

Natural conservatives!

Anonymous Alexander April 23, 2013 1:06 PM  

Well to be fair, they are doing an excellent job of being conservatives - it's just the the culture they're conserving is not one those of us already here are interested in moving to, let alone living in.

Anonymous Van April 23, 2013 1:08 PM  

But the immigration bill is landmark legislation, Vox!! And it's being derailed!!

Landmark!!!

For years now we've been told that our immigration system is broken. I don't recall any debate on this. I do agree that the system is broken, but in that too many are allowed in with little thought to ability to assimilate, and we look the other way while millions more come in through the back door. My solution is probably quite different from the author.

Anonymous Daniel April 23, 2013 1:10 PM  

Chuck Grassley is a hoot on twitter.

Recent:

"Ways and means chr camp who runs tax writing comm says tax code longer than HolyBible but there is no "Good News" in tax code"

"Labor union TV ads abt fiscal cliff reminiscent of Keynesians who say"deficits don't matter" Well.. That's how we got in present fiscalMess"


Classic:

"Fred and I hit a deer on hiway 136 south of Dyersville. After I pulled fender rubbing on tire we continued to farm. Assume deer dead"

Anonymous Josh April 23, 2013 1:14 PM  

"Fred and I hit a deer on hiway 136 south of Dyersville. After I pulled fender rubbing on tire we continued to farm. Assume deer dead"

PETA must be pissed

Anonymous RINO April 23, 2013 1:19 PM  

Josh can't wait for this Mexican invasion .. it will lead to legalized narcotics and a defunct state.

Anonymous Lulabelle April 23, 2013 1:26 PM  

Part of the problem (according to Ruth O'Brien) is that we use "too much force" when dealing with immigrant crimes:
http://ruthobrien.org/a-day-of-terror/

Lord help. The idiocy. It burns.

Anonymous DrTorch April 23, 2013 1:36 PM  

but honestly, I would think that even the most propaganda-oriented progressive would admit that immigrants planting bombs and killing Americans is a perfectly rational reason to be less than wildly enthusiastic about immigration

But 'Murika is evil.

I do wonder if this guy believes immigrants buy more newspapers, and that his dying industry will be saved.

Blogger James Dixon April 23, 2013 1:38 PM  

> but honestly, I would think that even the most propaganda-oriented progressive would admit that immigrants planting bombs and killing Americans is a perfectly rational reason to be less than wildly enthusiastic about immigration.

I honestly doubt they would admit anything of the kind. :(

Anonymous Josh April 23, 2013 1:39 PM  

Josh can't wait for this Mexican invasion .. it will lead to legalized narcotics and a defunct state.

The federal government does not have the authority to regulate or ban narcotics. And I am not in favor of any current or future Mexican invasions.

Anonymous patrick kelly April 23, 2013 1:45 PM  

"Josh can't wait for this Mexican invasion .. it will lead to legalized narcotics and a defunct state."

Yeah, cuz' nobody uses illegal drugs and the current state is so wonderful.

Anonymous Crispy April 23, 2013 1:49 PM  

Yes, we know NAIALT (not all immigrants are like that).

We also know that NAMALT (not all Moslems are like that).

It makes an uncomfortable conversation then, for the progressives to pick which expansion of the government to use to prevent this type of event: restricting *legal* immigration, or restricting what can be preached in mosques. Because we all know that expansion of the government is what's needed here....

Anonymous joe doakes April 23, 2013 2:16 PM  

A rational government would act in the nation's best interest with cold, detached logical self-interest.

Does the nation need ANY immigrants and if so, which ones? Doctors? Engineers? Okay, fine, we'll admit them. We have no shortage of laborers or of refugees - back of the line for them.

Never happen, of course. As Instapundit points out, that policy produces insufficient opportunities for graft.

Anonymous Smash_The_ZOG April 23, 2013 2:16 PM  

And the Yidischer immigrants were the worst of all in terms of cultural pollution (see: sweJ own Hollyweird and the media, for one).

Anonymous DonReynolds April 23, 2013 2:29 PM  

ILLEGAL ALIENS KILL 25 Americans every day. Half of them by driving while drunk and the rest the old fashioned way by stabbing, shooting, or beating them to death. How many illegal aliens are you willing to remove to stop this unnecessary and cruel and premature deaths of our fellow citizens?

Next question, and it does not matter whether you want to talk about 9/11 or Boston or literally dozens and dozens of attacks by foreign born persons LEGALLY in the USA: Are we as a nation willing to deny terrorists access to this country enough that it INCONVENIENCES other would-be immigrants?

This is no longer the frontier of Western Civilization. We no longer need or desire foreign citizens to come here to establish new colonies. (Invoke the Monroe Doctrine.) We have seen little assimilation from these people. And we sure as hell do not need MORE of them. Mow your own grass!

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter April 23, 2013 2:36 PM  

It seems to be a case of "Don't be afraid of the actors":

Boston PoPo call them actors.

Anonymous DonReynolds April 23, 2013 2:40 PM  

joe doakes...."Does the nation need ANY immigrants and if so, which ones? Doctors? Engineers? Okay, fine, we'll admit them. We have no shortage of laborers or of refugees - back of the line for them."

You and Mitt Romney would agree on allowing the best and the brightest to immigrate to this country. I would say, when we sheep-steal the professionals from these countries (where they are very badly needed) it makes those countries WORSE and MORE of those unskilled citizens want to leave. It is a vicious cycle THAT WE ARE CAUSING every time we allow a doctor or engineer or scientist to leave a less developed country. With fewer skilled persons, their country fails to improve, doctors are not available, so they naturally want to go where they can live better.

If we will simply stop allowing the brain drain from those countries, our own citizens will take those American jobs and attend those American universities, foreign countries will improve and ever fewer of the unskilled foreign citizens will try to come here, and our own unskilled persons will be able to obtain work.

Anonymous GreyS April 23, 2013 2:44 PM  

Way OT but...

"current mood: angry"

http://grrm.livejournal.com/321271.html

Anonymous DonReynolds April 23, 2013 2:52 PM  

Van...."For years now we've been told that our immigration system is broken. I don't recall any debate on this. I do agree that the system is broken, but in that too many are allowed in with little thought to ability to assimilate, and we look the other way while millions more come in through the back door. My solution is probably quite different from the author."

The only thing BROKEN about our immigration system is the LACK OF ENFORCEMENT and a lack of interest in the Executive Branch to do anything other than allow many more millions to invade this country.

Example, Hondurans got another extension to their protected status in the USA recently from Homeland Security due to a hurricane that hit their country in 1998! They are legally in this country under a protected status for a hurricane that hit fifteen years ago. Do I need to mention the Haitians?

Anonymous Noah B. April 23, 2013 3:20 PM  

"I would think that even the most propaganda-oriented progressive would admit that immigrants planting bombs and killing Americans is a perfectly rational reason to be less than wildly enthusiastic about immigration."

You'd think so, but leftism is fundamentally a philosophy of self-loathing and suicide.

Anonymous Noah B. April 23, 2013 3:38 PM  

It seems to be a case of "Don't be afraid of the actors"

That's a term you'll hear frequently when cops are talking to each other. Nothing unusual there. This is the sort of thing that bugs me about Infowars.

Anonymous Anonymous April 23, 2013 3:39 PM  

"Relax, most immigrants aren't going to kill you. They're only going to lower wage rates, pollute the environment, live off your social benefits, transform your culture and your legal system, and make the USA considerably more like the third world hellholes from which they have escaped."

You underestimate the willful ignorance and groupthink douchebaggery of the typical lefty.

Anonymous Feh April 23, 2013 3:41 PM  

I would think that even the most propaganda-oriented progressive would admit that immigrants planting bombs and killing Americans is a perfectly rational reason to be less than wildly enthusiastic about immigration.

And yet the Chief of Staff of the Army -- not, you would hope, a propaganda-oriented progressive -- said it would be better for countless Americans to die than for the Army to lose its diversity.

Army Chief of Staff Concerned for Muslim Troops
November 8, 2009

General George Casey Jr., the Army chief of staff, said on Sunday that he was concerned that speculation about the religious beliefs of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, accused of killing 12 fellow soldiers and one civilian and wounding dozens of others in a shooting rampage at Fort Hood, could “cause a backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers.”

“I’ve asked our Army leaders to be on the lookout for that,” General Casey said in an interview on CNN’s “State of the Union. “It would be a shame—as great a tragedy as this was—it would be a shame if our diversity became a casualty as well.”

General Casey, who was appeared on three Sunday news programs, used almost the same language during an interview on ABC’s “This Week With George Stephanopoulos,” an indication of the Army’s effort to ward off bias against the more than 3,000 Muslims in its ranks.

“A diverse Army gives us strength,” General Casey, who visited Fort Hood Friday, said on “This Week.”

Anonymous Tdotinthahouse April 23, 2013 3:43 PM  

Vox, aren't you originally from Minnesota? It's just that I've never witnessed someone with roots in that state defend Republican lawmakers before. You are both tough and fair, good sir. Kudos.

Anonymous dh April 23, 2013 3:46 PM  

It seems to be a case of "Don't be afraid of the actors":

Boston PoPo call them actors.


And every person who has ever done computer use case modelling calls people 'actors' all the time. The word has more than one meaning.

Blogger Nate April 23, 2013 3:55 PM  

NAIALT!!!!!

Anonymous liljoe April 23, 2013 3:56 PM  

And now Chris Matthews, who was convinced early on that the bombing was committed by "right wing, Tea Party types" and speculated whether they were "protesting tax day or just simply hate America", now is no longer interested in finding out why the crime was committed and that we should just move on now the bombers have been captured. Convenient. What a spineless, anti-intellectual, amoral, fascist hypocritical windbag.

Anonymous Noah B. April 23, 2013 4:12 PM  

"What a spineless, anti-intellectual, amoral, fascist hypocritical windbag."

I think he's just bitterly clinging to his utopian visions of omnipotent government and his sexual perversions.

Anonymous Herman the German April 23, 2013 4:23 PM  

I think he's just bitterly clinging to his utopian visions of omnipotent government and his sexual perversions.

+1 (Well done, Good Sir).

Anonymous A. Man April 23, 2013 4:29 PM  

"I would think that even the most propaganda-oriented progressive would admit that immigrants planting bombs and killing Americans is a perfectly rational reason to be less than wildly enthusiastic about immigration."

This would be true if we had a rash of immigrants planting bombs. But of course, we don't.

Anonymous Idle Spectator April 23, 2013 4:53 PM  

Exactly right about killer immigrants Vox.

And don't be afraid of Killer Bees either.


Relax, most Killer Bees aren't going to kill you. They're only going to lower American honey bee rates, pollute the environment, live off your attic, transform your neighborhood and your flowers, and make the USA considerably more like the third world hellhole of Brazil from which they have escaped. The real problem, according to the Washington Post, isn't a few murderous Killer Bees, but beekeepers stoking fear in the native populace.

Blogger Baloo April 23, 2013 5:05 PM  

Nice rhetorical jiu-jitsu. Quoted and linked here.
http://ex-army.blogspot.com/2013/04/what-about-all-immigrants-who-dont-kill.html

Anonymous Idle Spectator April 23, 2013 5:14 PM  

After the Killer Bees cunningly escaped in 1957 from a lab in Brazil by simply flying out the window, they spread upwards into Mexico. That is very close to the Immigration and Nationality Act which was passed in 1965.

Here's the spreading of Killer Bees from Mexico, 1990 to 2002. That is right after the Reagan Amnesty was passed in 1986.

Killer Bee Map


I can't tell if they are killer immigrants or Killer Bees migrating along the border... The resemblance is uncanny.

Anonymous WaterBoy April 23, 2013 5:18 PM  

A. Man: "This would be true if we had a rash of immigrants planting bombs. But of course, we don't."

Not that they have not tried

Anonymous bw April 23, 2013 5:26 PM  

WaPo. The Graham Family.

Anonymous Idle Spectator April 23, 2013 5:28 PM  

After the Killer Bees escaped, they cross-bred with the native honey bees out in the wild. Just like the immigrants to the US.

They enforce the porous borders just like the Killer Bees flying through an open window.


My God, the resemblance continues.

Anonymous Huh? April 23, 2013 5:36 PM  

Nate: NAIALT!!!!!

Not All Illegal Immigrants Like Tits?

Anonymous Josh April 23, 2013 5:39 PM  

The gay ones, huh.

Anonymous Idle Spectator April 23, 2013 5:44 PM  

Now, they say one of the best ways to deal with an invasive species is to put it on the menu. Things like Snakehead fish, Feral Pigs, and Giant Cannibal Shrimp.

But how am I supposed to eat Killer Bees? Do you catch them, freeze'em, and then sauté a small portion of them in butter, placing them on the plate as a nutritious side dish that is high in protein? They do that in Southeast Asia.

They have been wanting to legalize cannibalism between consenting adults for a while. And we have an invasive species...

That gives me an idea...

Anonymous Porky April 23, 2013 6:03 PM  

Heard it not ten minutes ago. Fuming coworker: "You don't see Mexicans blowing stuff up!"

Anonymous Redistributionist April 23, 2013 6:06 PM  

"You don't see Mexicans blowing stuff up!"

Not followers of Econ apparently.

Anonymous DJF April 23, 2013 7:37 PM  

The Washington Post ignores the fact that the Gang of Eight have put forward a "Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill" which covers all aspects of immigration including Refugee and other legal forms of immigration so the two bombers are relevant to the bill being pushed.

“”””Subtitle D—Asylum and Refugee Provisions
Sec. 3401. Time limits and efficient adjudication of genuine asylum claims.
Sec. 3402. Refugee family protections.
Sec. 3403. Clarification on designation of certain refugees.
Sec. 3404. Asylum determination efficiency.
Sec. 3405. Stateless persons in the United States.
Sec. 3406. U visa accessibility.
Sec. 3407. Representation at overseas refugee interviews.””’

It also includes bringing in Iraqis and Afghanis into the US

“”””Sec. 2317. Extension and improvement of the Iraqi special immigrant visa program.
Sec. 2318. Extension and improvement of the Afghan special immigrant visa
program.”’’

http://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/?a=Files.Serve&File_id=b0a97f73-03ff-40a3-9910-45286495cf42

Anonymous Sigyn April 23, 2013 9:18 PM  

"You don't see Mexicans blowing stuff up!"

Nah, they usually cause high-speed accidents and form inner-city gangs. Nothing to worry about.

...Unless that fertilizer plant going up was a result of safety violations, which I'm told "Hispanic" workers are a bit prone to. Whatever happened with that?

Anonymous A. Man April 23, 2013 9:20 PM  

"I would think that even the most propaganda-oriented progressive would admit that immigrants planting bombs and killing Americans is a perfectly rational reason to be less than wildly enthusiastic about immigration.

And yet the Chief of Staff of the Army -- not, you would hope, a propaganda-oriented progressive -- said it would be better for countless Americans to die than for the Army to lose its diversity."

Of course he did not say this. Nor did he imply this. Nor can this be in any way surmised as either his meaning or the outcome of his statement.

The problem you imagine is just that. Your imagination.

Anonymous A. Man April 23, 2013 9:22 PM  

"...Unless that fertilizer plant going up was a result of safety violations, which I'm told "Hispanic" workers are a bit prone to. Whatever happened with that?"

In reality, it's far more likely that some redneck Texan screwed the pooch and caused a whole lot of people to die. But you can't blame this on his being merely a Texan.

Anonymous Mr Consistency April 23, 2013 9:42 PM  

The problem you imagine is just that. Your imagination.

In reality, it's far more likely that some redneck Texan screwed the pooch


Mrs Consistency strikes again.

Blogger James Dixon April 23, 2013 9:48 PM  

> it's far more likely that some redneck Texan screwed...

Let's leave your fantasies out of the discussion.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 23, 2013 10:04 PM  

After the Killer Bees escaped, they cross-bred with the native honey bees out in the wild. Just like the immigrants to the US.

They enforce the porous borders just like the Killer Bees flying through an open window.


My God, the resemblance continues.


The Simpsons were trying to warn us about this with that Mexican guy dressed in the bee outfit. How else to explain it?

Anonymous Fisk Ellington Rutledge III April 23, 2013 10:26 PM  

Our cowardly, traitorous, lively, vibrant, diverse ruling elite would RATHER see us dead than even slow down the immigration of third-world savages to the U.S. The don't, in any case, think that anything bad could actually happen to them. That would be the only thing that would make them think twice. The Leftist scum in government today would rather see us dead than for us to have the ability to defend ourselves against third-world savages. They don't care at all about the welfare of the lives of White people. If you are White, the government is your enemy. You owe them no allegiance.

Anonymous Sigyn April 23, 2013 10:32 PM  

In reality, it's far more likely that some redneck Texan screwed the pooch and caused a whole lot of people to die.

I'd ask for your proofs of this assertion, but in reality, it's far more likely that you're basing this on your proven anti-white bigotry.

Next!

Anonymous Niall April 23, 2013 10:52 PM  

Feh wrote: "And yet the Chief of Staff of the Army -- not, you would hope, a propaganda-oriented progressive -- said it would be better for countless Americans to die than for the Army to lose its diversity."

A. Man replied: "Of course he did not say this. Nor did he imply this. Nor can this be in any way surmised as either his meaning or the outcome of his statement."

General Casey's disgraceful remark, quoted earlier in the thread, was very clearly implying that a certain (unspecified) number of military deaths caused by terrorist attack would be considered acceptable if the "worse" alternative was the betrayal of the sacred ideal of "diversity". This is all the evidence you need that "diversity" is a suicidal cult.

Anonymous The other skeptic April 23, 2013 10:53 PM  

"I would think that even the most propaganda-oriented progressive would admit that immigrants planting bombs and killing Americans is a perfectly rational reason to be less than wildly enthusiastic about immigration."

This would be true if we had a rash of immigrants planting bombs. But of course, we don't.


"I would think that even the most gun-oriented conservative would admit that a rash of white people using guns to kill Americans is a perfectly rational reason be less than wildly enthusiastic about the second amendment."

Yeah, but then ...

Anonymous That's A Knee Slapper, VD April 23, 2013 10:55 PM  

"Relax, most immigrants aren't going to kill you. They're only going to lower wage rates, pollute the environment, live off your social benefits, transform your culture and your legal system, and make the USA considerably more like the third world hellholes from which they have escaped."

Lay off the crack pipe, and worry about when the native Italians roust you out of your villa and kick your sorry ass out of dodge. The supermajority of immigrants--black, white, yellow--who come to the U.S. legally are hardworking, law abiding citizens.

Blogger David April 23, 2013 10:58 PM  

"In reality, it's far more likely that some redneck Texan screwed the pooch and caused a whole lot of people to die. But you can't blame this on his being merely a Texan."

Your bigotry is showing. As Texans don't have a record of incompetence at maintaining a functioning, largely peaceful society, its not due to them being Texans. Most likely its Bush that did it. Of course, it's conceivable that some Yankee could've been responsible for the disaster, but it's too soon to tell.

Anonymous Niall April 23, 2013 11:02 PM  

The other skeptic wrote: "I would think that even the most gun-oriented conservative would admit that a rash of white people using guns to kill Americans is a perfectly rational reason be less than wildly enthusiastic about the second amendment."

Rather a false parallel there: guns have legitimate uses apart from killing people, as proven by the fact that the vast majority of Americans who own them have never hurt anyone. You can't say that about bombs.

In any event, whatever problems may already exist in the US (and like every other country, it is not a utopia), they are no reason to go about importing still more problems from overseas.

Blogger David April 23, 2013 11:05 PM  

"Lay off the crack pipe, and worry about when the native Italians roust you out of your villa and kick your sorry ass out of dodge. The supermajority of immigrants--black, white, yellow--who come to the U.S. legally are hardworking, law abiding citizens."

Yeah, cause the Italians are so stupid they'd kick out a relatively wealthy, intelligent, criminally disinclined white American who contributes positively to Italian society. Quite unlike the illegal immigrants and a significant portion of the black community, which are financial and societal drains on the United States.

You are clearly not tall enough for this ride.

Anonymous Niall April 23, 2013 11:12 PM  

"Lay off the crack pipe, and worry about when the native Italians roust you out of your villa and kick your sorry ass out of dodge."

Why would they do this, when there are other immigrants in Italy engaged in various forms of crime and welfare abuse? I know nothing about Vox's personal life, but I think we can at least assume he is gainfully employed, unlike the gypsies running various scams against tourists in the streets of Rome.

"The supermajority of immigrants--black, white, yellow--who come to the U.S. legally are hardworking, law abiding citizens."

Even if this were true, their presence in the US ensures that the country will over time become fractured along ethnic lines with competing and at times conflicting interests, eroding social cohesion and reducing the political sphere to a mere spoils system. We are already seeing this happen.

Societies are happier for being more homogeneous. I know, because I have experienced it first-hand during my life. Perhaps you haven't, and for that you have my condolences.

Blogger Bogey April 23, 2013 11:14 PM  

And every person who has ever done computer use case modelling calls people 'actors' all the time. The word has more than one meaning.

I assume the police commissioner meant "bad actors".


bad actor
noun
1.a mean, ill-tempered, troublemaking, or evil person.
2.a vicious animal.
3.an inveterate criminal.

Anonymous dh April 23, 2013 11:22 PM  

I assume the police commissioner meant "bad actors".

I hadn't thought of that. I've heard "actor" used interchangeably with "participant" or "perpetrator".

Anonymous The other skeptic April 23, 2013 11:25 PM  

Progressive policies subsidize immigrant killers with public funds

Anonymous The other skeptic April 23, 2013 11:30 PM  

Rather a false parallel there: guns have legitimate uses apart from killing people, as proven by the fact that the vast majority of Americans who own them have never hurt anyone. You can't say that about bombs.

I think you missed the point.

There is no rash of whites using guns to kill people. There are, of course lots of blacks killing each other with guns. The death toll in Chicago last year exceeded the victim count for white mass killers for more than the last ten years counted together.

There have, of course, been whites (or near whites like Zimmerman) defending themselves and causing death, but even there the number of deaths as a result is tiny.

Anonymous pdimov April 23, 2013 11:32 PM  

In reality, it's far more likely that some redneck Texan screwed the pooch and caused a whole lot of people to die.

Vox.

I'm sure that you're amused by the various trolling personas due to the information you possess and we do not, but you're hoarding all this amusement for yourself.

This is selfish, unfair and will likely cause a deflationary spiral.

The performance act is tolerable when the persona-du-jour isn't incredibly annoying, which is sadly not the case at the moment.

Anonymous Niall April 23, 2013 11:34 PM  

"Progressive policies subsidize immigrant killers with public funds"

No surprise there: according to Wikileaks something like 67% of Muslims in the UK are on benefits. One Muslim leader in Britain recently told his followers, making a pun on the phrase "jobseeker's allowance" (the same as unemployment benefit in the US), that they should not work but collect "jihad-seeker's allowance" instead. Apparently many Muslims believe that welfare payments are a form of "jizya", or punitive tax on the infidel.

Blogger Bogey April 23, 2013 11:45 PM  

We're still reeling from the influx of Neocons in the Republican Party. The damage done can probably never be undone, but there is a little hope, a month ago I heard Limbaugh mention Neoconservatives (for which he is one) and he actually described NeoConservationism accurately. Now a first step is just a first step, but at least it's in the right direction.

He recently had Marco Rubio on his show. The gist of this (if you don't want to read the whole thing) is the old idea that Mexicans are conservatives waiting in the wings, but even before Rubio says that he said he doesn't care about the politics of it. A hint of ethnocentrism here? Limbaugh is convinced, as he should be, that Republicans are committing suicide with this immigration bill. We have around 11 million soon-to-be Democrats just waiting to get a chance to vote.

Anonymous Niall April 23, 2013 11:46 PM  

The other skeptic: sorry, I didn't take your meaning. That's the problem with satire these days: it's impossible to make a caricature of a left-wing argument unrealistic enough that anyone can easily see through it; after all, what we write today as satire the left will believe tomorrow in earnest, if they don't already.

Anonymous FP April 23, 2013 11:58 PM  

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/04/22/pro-reform-gop-senate-aide-dont-blame-our-immigration-system-for-the-tsarnaevs-blame-our-society/

I thought it was hilarious when Rubio's aide compared illegals given permanent legal status to slaves.

"Yesterday, Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., spokesman Alex Conant caused a bit of a stir when he argued against granting permanent legal residence to illegal immigrants by claiming, “We haven’t had a cohort of people living permanently in US without full rights of citizenship since slavery.""

And thats the GOP leadership folks.

Anonymous Idle Spectator April 24, 2013 12:10 AM  

The Simpsons were trying to warn us about this with that Mexican guy dressed in the bee outfit. How else to explain it?

Of course! Bumblebee Man on Channel Ocho! Loco! Ay, ay, ay! No es bueno!

Which is based off of: The Red Grasshopper, a comedy show from the 1970s in Latin America.

Anonymous A. Man April 24, 2013 12:16 AM  

"General Casey's disgraceful remark, quoted earlier in the thread, was very clearly implying that a certain (unspecified) number of military deaths caused by terrorist attack would be considered acceptable if the "worse" alternative was the betrayal of the sacred ideal of "diversity". This is all the evidence you need that "diversity" is a suicidal cult."

Just show me the quote and I'll shut up.

Anonymous Matt April 24, 2013 12:18 AM  

Just show me the quote and I'll shut up.

“Our diversity, not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse”

http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2009/11/08/general-casey-diversity-shouldnt-be-casualty-of-fort-hood/

Anonymous A. Man April 24, 2013 12:29 AM  

"Just show me the quote and I'll shut up.

“Our diversity, not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse”

Yes, that's what I read too. But I'm still looking for the quote that is "clearly implying that a certain (unspecified) number of military deaths caused by terrorist attack would be considered acceptable if the "worse" alternative was the betrayal of the sacred ideal of "diversity".

I'll keep looking for the quote.

Anonymous damntull April 24, 2013 12:49 AM  

A. Man - "I'll keep looking for the quote."

Proof positive that your ignorance/blindness is a choice on your part.

Anonymous Niall April 24, 2013 12:49 AM  

A. Man wrote: "I'm still looking for the quote that is "clearly implying that a certain (unspecified) number of military deaths caused by terrorist attack would be considered acceptable if the "worse" alternative was the betrayal of the sacred ideal of "diversity"."

I don't know how much clearer we can try to make this for you without concluding that you are simply in denial of reality. Casey said: "as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse", thereby plainly elevating the exalted cause of "diversity" over matters so mundane and petty as the loss of human life due to terrorist attack.

If Casey could say such a thing after the deaths of 13 members of his armed forces, we can safely conclude that no number of military deaths would lead him to re-evaluate his Orwellian statement that "diversity... is a strength". After all, if Major Hasan had detonated a dirty bomb on the base instead, would the principles involved have been any different? One can easily imagine after such an eventuality Casey saying "yes, tens of thousands of people are dead. But it would be far worse if our diversity were made a casualty of this unfortunate event." This sort of thinking is plainly suicidal.

Anonymous dh April 24, 2013 12:51 AM  

If Casey could say such a thing after the deaths of 13 members of his armed forces, we can safely conclude that no number of military deaths would lead him to re-evaluate his Orwellian statement that "diversity... is a strength".

I can't believe I have to defend A.Man, but this is silly. The Army is the type of place where a 13 deaths isn't going to make a difference in policy.

Anonymous Niall April 24, 2013 1:08 AM  

dh wrote: "I can't believe I have to defend A.Man, but this is silly. The Army is the type of place where a 13 deaths isn't going to make a difference in policy."

These were not just the deaths of 13 human beings, these were *needless* deaths owing to the Army's misguided policies of deference to ethnic minorities. Hasan openly sported a business card identifying himself as a "Soldier of Allah", and had treated his colleagues to a Powerpoint presentation outlining the reasons for jihad and suggesting that Muslim soldiers be spared deployment overseas to prevent "adverse events". He was not reported for any of this due to his colleagues' fear of being called "racist". And you can honestly say, after all of this, that the Army's policies were not at fault? If you can, you should just go ahead and believe what you like: no amount of rational persuasion could possibly hope to make a dent in your fanaticism.

Anonymous Ferd April 24, 2013 1:13 AM  

And, the Native American residual shrugs their shoulders at the ongoing invasions then turns back to count the day's receipts.

"Another immigrant, another terrible gambler!"

Blogger James Dixon April 24, 2013 9:09 AM  

> I've heard "actor" used interchangeably with "participant" or "perpetrator".

The generic definition of the term "actor" is simply one who acts. That is, one who takes an action. The others are specific cases.

>Just show me the quote and I'll shut up.

Promises, promises.

> I'll keep looking for the quote.

Like I said.

> I don't know how much clearer we can try to make this for you without concluding that you are simply in denial of reality.

Well, duh.

Anonymous is it can be troll bob time now again yet? April 24, 2013 9:45 AM  

an 'amusing' application of the 'immigration reform' is going to be the mainlining of illegals into commercial driver jobs ... just heard that on Road Dog / SiriusXM.

so, yay, we'll solve the driver shortage.

and push driver wages through the floor while putting lots of drivers who CAN'T SPEAKY THE ENGLISH on the road.

benefits all the way around.

i do have to say that the RV / Travel trailer industry is going wide open right now. so the Keynesians have been successful in blowing yet another bubble. for now.

Anonymous is it can be troll bob time now again yet? April 24, 2013 9:56 AM  

That's A Knee Slapper, VD April 23, 2013 10:55 PM
The supermajority of immigrants--black, white, yellow--who come to the U.S. legally are hardworking, law abiding citizens.




hey, you know all those 'immigrants' who jumped the fence and swam the Rio Grande?

yeah?

THEY ALL BROKE THE LAW YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

so much for your 'supermajority' of legal illegal aliens.

Anonymous RC April 24, 2013 10:19 AM  

Relax, most immigrants aren't going to kill you." - VD

If an American Indian knew in the 1600s what we know today, what should have been his response when the white man sailed into his natural harbors? Precisely.

Anonymous DonReynolds April 24, 2013 1:04 PM  

Late hit, I know, but it turns out the Boston bomber (1) did use black powder and (2) it was cannibalized from fireworks. I THE SAME THING HERE, right after I saw the video of the blast. The fireworks were bought at stores in Pennsylvania and New Hampshire. It is good to be right every once in a while.

Based on that assertion, I said that the bombers were PUNKS....and so they were....kids really. Clearly, they were not serious terrorists, more along the hobby variety. Like comparing flag football to the NFL.

Anonymous liljoe April 24, 2013 1:35 PM  

"I think he's just bitterly clinging to his utopian visions of omnipotent government and his sexual perversions.

+1 (Well done, Good Sir)."

Is this from personal experience or...?

Anonymous Dumb Asses Personafied April 24, 2013 8:23 PM  

Niall--”Societies are happier for being more homogeneous. I know, because I have experienced it first-hand during my life. Perhaps you haven't, and for that you have my condolences.”

Societies that are heterogenous are more fulfilling. I know, because I’m an American and have directly been part of this successful melding of ethnicities and races. You have my deepest sympathy for your ignorance of our history.



Rex--“Yeah, cause the Italians are so stupid they'd kick out a relatively wealthy, intelligent, criminally disinclined white American who contributes positively to Italian society.”


According to VD’s own metrics, he is an invader, an interloper. Sorry to rain on your parade.


Rex--“Quite unlike the illegal immigrants and a significant portion of the black community, which are financial and societal drains on the United States.”

Illegal immigration indeed has a few undeniably negative economic effects. Similarly skilled native-born workers are faced with a choice of either accepting lower pay or not working in the field at all. Labor economists have concluded undocumented workers have lowered the wages of Ameican adults without a high-school diploma (25) from 0.4 to 7.4 percent.

Yet, economist Giovanni Peri (University of California-Davis) has consistently concluded through research that undocumented workers do not compete with skilled laborers-- instead, they complement them. Economies, as Adam Smith argued in “Wealth of Nations,” work best when workers become specialized and divide up tasks among themselves. Pedro’s ability to take care of routine tasks on a work site, for example, enables carpenters and electricians to focus on what they do best. In states with more undocumented immigrants, skilled workers made more money and worked more hours; the economy’s productivity grew. From 1990 to 2007, undocumented workers increased legal workers’ pay in complementary jobs by up to 10 percent.

A similar phenomenon holds true on the state level. In December 2006, Texas was the first state to conduct a comprehensive financial analysis of the impact of undocumented immigrants on a state's budget and economy. The results showed that "undocumented immigrants produced $1.58 billion in state revenues, which exceeded the $1.16 billion in state services they received." Carole Keeton Strayhorn, former Texas Comptroller, said, "Bottom line, undocumented immigrants in the state of Texas are adding $17.7 billion to our gross state product...we net $428 million at the state level because of the taxes they're paying in."

In addition, the Congressional Budget Office recently evaluated the impact of economic refugees on the budgets of state and local governments. "Over the past two decades, most efforts to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that, in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants-- both legal and unauthorized--exceed the cost of the services they use."


Stay on the kiddie blogs, because you just got shat on.

Anonymous RC April 25, 2013 11:22 AM  

Stay on the kiddie blogs, because you just got shat on."

By a fellow not even smart enough to correctly spell his own blog name. Right.

Anonymous WaterBoy April 25, 2013 12:21 PM  

Dumb Ass Personified: "
According to VD’s own metrics, he is an invader, an interloper. Sorry to rain on your parade."

Has VD obtained citizenship there? There's a difference between immigrants and visitors, you know.

Anonymous Dumb Asses Personified April 25, 2013 6:09 PM  

RC--Regardless of the misspelling, care to refute what was posted, or you just gonna rabbit?

Waterboy--A visitor for 14 years???

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