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Saturday, April 06, 2013

Immigrants are good for the economy

So much for that tremendously sophisticated theory:
In Stockton, Calif., which has just entered into Chapter 9 bankruptcy, 41 percent of the people do not speak English at home and 21 percent cannot speak it very well, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.
The problem facing immigration advocates is that once they admit that the quality and quantity of the immigrant population has an effect on the economy, their entire rational for replacing the native population goes out the window.  They were able to successfully deceive the public in 1965 and 1986, but not any longer.  The effects of the foreign pigeons invading to roost and crap all over the US economy can no longer be denied.

How many more cities have to go bankrupt before it becomes obvious to everyone that immigration is not an intrinsic element of economic growth.  It is more than a little ironic that in the name of free trade, Americans have somehow managed to accept a system that involves the free movement of labor as well as restrictions on the movement of capital.

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37 Comments:

Blogger Joe A. April 06, 2013 8:42 AM  

Is free trade a useful concept in the category of something like long-term equilibrium - something that helps us theorize but not something that can be realized?

Anonymous JW April 06, 2013 8:43 AM  

When will we wake up!

Anonymous JW April 06, 2013 8:48 AM  


See how things are progressing in forign lands:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.rss?sel=site&searchPhrase=knife+attacks

"Nobody should ignore the reality:
( http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B009S2LKLY/ref=)
claims", namely that "every 24 hours 13,000 thefts, 2,000 attacks and 200 rapes" take place in France –
figures far higher than official national statistics.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?sel=site&searchPhrase=knife+attacks since firearms were
banned in England some years ago (after a school shooting) knife attacks have increased dramatically.
Rapes, robberies, cuttings and stabbings occur daily.

Anonymous JW April 06, 2013 8:52 AM  

Hey! According to Rand Paul they are all going to get jobs and pay taxes. Life will be so good. Just wait 'till they discover that there is a republican party.

Anonymous A. Man April 06, 2013 9:00 AM  

"The problem facing immigration advocates is that once they admit that the quality and quantity of the immigrant population has an effect on the economy, their entire rational for replacing the native population goes out the window."

Exactly who wants to replace the native population, when did they express this, and what is their rationale?

Anonymous James May April 06, 2013 9:03 AM  

For years our gov't has used legal immigration to prop up the illusion of economic growth. Now, with so many illegals, our gov't has compromised wages, productivity and most importantly, the unemployment rate.

Add to that the enormous amount of treasure spent in direct payments to illegals, indirect services (emergency rooms, etc.), the cost of crime both in theft, fraud, processing and housing criminals.

Add to that the money that is being sent out of the country rather than spent here and the lack of a tax base even while these people are chewing through services paid by taxes.

And for what? Why? What's the end game here? Well, we know what crazy liberals think and that is that no part of America, in part or entire, will ever be for real unless it's a racial pie-chart.

However if it's all black or Hispanic or female then that's invisible and in no need of diversity. Liberals have two completely different standards for diversity and in the end it amounts to little more than a very focused bigotry against the world's greatest evil: the straight white man.

If you doubt who the enemy is read about this Kickstarter project and realize it is the default setting and centerpiece of progressive liberal thought today.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1537879721/long-hidden-speculative-fiction-from-the-margins-o?ref=card

It's this goofy and one-sided racialization and genderization of every little thing in America that makes liberals pathological mental cases and a suicide cult.

Meanwhile, don't expect any articles by Saladin Ahmed at Salon titled: "Is the NBA Too Black?" like he did when he blasted Game of Thrones "because Martin is the product of America, a culture rich in racist stereotypes and xenophobic fear-mongering." I think he meant liberalism, not America.

Anonymous Roundtine April 06, 2013 9:11 AM  

U.S. immigration policy is STUPID. First, the only reason the immigrants are "needed" is to fulfill the empty spaces created by low fertility Boomers and GenX, to keep SS and Medicare afloat. This would require high skill immigrants. It requires the immigrants pay more in taxes than they consume. A single male earning $50,000 will pay about $15-$20,000 (ballpark) in total taxes, directly and indirectly. If said immigrant has two young children, the cost of public education will be $15-20,000. Given the higher rate of welfare use among many immigrants, it's a guaranteed drain on the public treasury. Anyone who cannot earn at least that much and has children is going to really drain the system and their kids probably will too.

Most people come to America for a better life. But any nation that is democratic is arguably able to make its own destiny. Any large group of immigrants from a nation with democratically elected crap government are going to elected crap politicians where ever they go. Toss in the strange reverse colonization argument, that somehow being in an American (white!?) led nation is better for them. Also add in the idiots who think it's America's job to bring poor people here, yet still argue for moving factories overseas where the wages are lower.

Maybe I'm out of touch, but I believe a politician could call the immigration policy stupid, retarded and insane. They would be vilified as a racist bigot for about two weeks, and that would never end, but somewhere around the third week, if they stuck to the message (always responding to being called a bigot by calling the other person a sub-room temperature IQ moron), the polls would all start moving in their direction.

Blogger tz April 06, 2013 9:16 AM  

I think the ceo like pensions for librarians and other lavish spending and bonds might be more important.

Don't overlook Detroit which is in informal bankruptcy. Almost all speak english, but "where's my government check?" is the problem, not "Estoy empezando un negocio" which isn't said.

I might also look at Asians that may have similar or worse language problems but seem to be thriving economically - and horrors - even paying the confiscatory taxes.

The rationale for replacing the native population is that it isn't replacing itself. It is going to be replaced with something. The original nonconformist protestant family ethics were abandoned by the churches with their "small" concessions (Sudatenland) to the sexual revolution redefining family to be the two working spouse with few and delayed children and the door open wide to divorce. It may be called "Focus on the Family" because one needs both a telescope and microscope.

Nature abhors a vacuum, but the modern family can all afford a Dyson, though it sucks even more. But what fills the vaccum? Our country has become one gigantic dust-bin warren of dust-bunnies.

Anonymous . April 06, 2013 9:17 AM  

"They were able to successfully deceive the public in 1965 and 1986, but not any longer."

Now they'll just stick their fingers in their ears and scream "Raciss haters, I am not listening to your raciss hate, naa naa naa naa!"

Blogger James Dixon April 06, 2013 9:17 AM  

> Exactly who wants to replace the native population, when did they express this, and what is their rationale?

Vox had an entire post on the subject earlier this week. Here's the relevant article: http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2013/04/how-i-am-partly-to-blame-for-mass-immigration.html

And just because it's Britain doesn't mean the it's not applicable here.

But then you don't come here to read, do you?

Anonymous YIH April 06, 2013 9:23 AM  

Sailer's been on this as well: Bankrupt Stockton: Was the mortgage meltdown a government-sponsored affinity scam?
''With the city of Stockton, CA in the news as its municipal bankruptcy winds its way through the courts, I was struck by this 2010 San Francisco Federal Reserve paper on the kitchen table dynamics of how so many people in Stockton and Oakland wound up with mortgages they couldn't afford. One short answer: minorities trusted co-ethnic mortgage brokers to treat them fairly out of racial solidarity.''
IOW, hispanic mortgage brokers pushing mortgages to (likely) illegals that the broker knew damn well (or should have) that were difficult to impossible to pay.
The as the inevitable defaults and REO's piled up property tax receipts dried up. Couple that with mega-generous public salaries and pensions and bankruptcy was guaranteed.

Blogger tz April 06, 2013 9:24 AM  

A parasite attaches to the host so "it can have a better life". After killing the host, it finds another one.

Note Canada is even more liberal, so one solution is the NAFTA Superhighway and push them across the second border. They can't integrate Quebec!

But back in Mexico, there is more hope. The Drug lords are more entrepenurial, and less corrupt than the police and politicians. Mexico might end up closer to Galt's gulch than the US after a time. Note cash, not debt is going south. This may not play out the way everyone expects.

Anonymous Godfrey April 06, 2013 9:44 AM  

Immigration policy isn't going to change. The power elites want open borders. The fact that a majority of the population is opposed to current immigration policy is irrelevant. Just as the majority of the population's opposition to government run corporate "health care" or homosexual "marriage" was irrelevant.

We have NO significant influence over those that are selected - not elected - to rule us.

Knowing the truth of the situation and ignoring - and undermining the legitimacy of - the ruling elites at every opportunity is the best way to resist.

Anonymous Cryan Ryan April 06, 2013 9:56 AM  

Twas a prosperous town very sunny,
They spent like drunks till they ran out of money,
Then in came the spics,
who brought TB and ticks,
And their women all breed like a bunny.

Anonymous Godfrey April 06, 2013 10:01 AM  

@Cryan Ryan April 06, 2013 9:56 AM

"And their women all breed like a bunny."


I'm sure that will soon become a concern of the wealthy international ruling classes.

As for me, those that breed deserve to inherit the future.

Anonymous damntull April 06, 2013 10:03 AM  

A. Man, you blithering idiot, read Vox's post on 4/3 entitled "immigration as ideological weapon!"

Damn, it's like you come in to each post with a blank slate for a brain!

Anonymous James May April 06, 2013 10:05 AM  

A. Man's desire to speak on such subjects is only matched by his ignorance of the subject.

No fool who goes outside can miss what the essence of diversity and multiculturalism is and from where it's pounded home 24/7. More people of color or fewer whites, 6 of one, half dozen of the other, glass half empty, etc. Amounts to the same thing.

I could easily put up 1000 links, that's right, 1000, that show liberals openly crowing and making threatening remarks about the coming racial demo shift, especially centered around the year 2050, when whites are expected to fall to 50%.

How many times do you have to hear "Get ready for the new America" before you get it? That's not an expression of some accidental and coincidental empirical thought and reality, but a plan and a desire.

I believe I could link to 1000 remarks about the GOP as the party of "old white men" alone. Right there's your Sherlock Holmes moment, Sherlock.

Ask yourself what took the "Great" out of Great Britain and tell me what those fools have achieved in real terms. I'll tell you - failure.

Anonymous re allow anonymous comments April 06, 2013 10:10 AM  

"capital" is not restricted

we the peasants are restricted from doing things that would allow us to better protect our meager holdings but "capital" can move just as freely as it likes

Anonymous Stilicho April 06, 2013 10:10 AM  

Damn, it's like you come in to each post with a blank slate for a brain!

He wrote on it in crayon and the leftism won't come off. New stuff simply cannot be added.

Anonymous The other skeptic April 06, 2013 10:12 AM  

They are having diversity problems in Sacramento as well.

Took the cops a while to round this kid up. They were probably looking for a white or Chinese kid.

Anonymous Herman the German April 06, 2013 10:16 AM  

Meine Damen und Herren, it must be said that Mr. Godfrey is likely quite RIGHT... Those who breed do deserve to inherit the future. I lament the passing of my white European brothers & sisters into eventual demographical suicide. Do we deserve to inherit the future when, as a whole/race, we selfishly and narcissistically refuse to breed to at least a _sustaining_ level...demographically....in Europe, the U.S., or elsewhere??? Hmmnnn....

Anonymous YIH April 06, 2013 10:47 AM  

And just when you thought it was over... BOHICA!

Anonymous Anonymous April 06, 2013 10:48 AM  

Congress and the president are about to start their big push for amnesty and no enforcement. Contact them before it's too late.

You can send pre-written faxes to Congress for free from the following websites:

NumbersUSA
http://www.numbersusa.com

Californians For Population Stabilization
http://capwiz.com/caps/issues/?style=D

Anonymous Porky April 06, 2013 10:55 AM  

Contact them before it's too late.

Lol!

Anonymous allyn71 April 06, 2013 11:11 AM  

"The effects of the foreign pigeons invading to roost and crap all over the US economy can no longer be denied." - posted by Vox @ 4/06/2013 07:43:00 AM

But deny they will.

Sweet Mother, Gia, so close now just a little bit more and Nirvana will be here. Till then, RACISSS, YOU ARE RACISSSS.


When they are so close to achieving everything they have ever dreamed of, denial and obfuscation will be the only things allowed. Reality be damned.

Anonymous allyn71 April 06, 2013 11:18 AM  

"Congress and the president are about to start their big push for amnesty and no enforcement. Contact them before it's too late.

You can send pre-written faxes to Congress for free from the following websites:

NumbersUSA
http://www.numbersusa.com

Californians For Population Stabilization
http://capwiz.com/caps/issues/?style=D" - Anonymous April 06, 2013 10:48 AM


Yes Anon, we must contant them super, duper fast. Also, while we are at it lets promis to vote and send money to the dead elephants to. They will save us from the brown horde.

I think there is a sizable percentage of the electorate that has moved past calling and is making preparations for what happens when voting doesn't work anymore. While probably not politically motivated, when the government is illegitimate and criminal you start to get more incidents like what happened to the DA in Texas. It is beginning.

Anonymous . April 06, 2013 11:25 AM  

Most people come to America for a better life.

And thereby make the lives of the current people of America much, much mo' NOT betta. Oh well!

Anonymous fnn April 06, 2013 1:33 PM  

The rationale for replacing the native population is that it isn't replacing itself. It is going to be replaced with something.

It's not happening in Japan, and they're still doing a lot better than most places. They're big on robots and they know that a lot of jobs are becoming obsolete.

Anonymous Geoff April 06, 2013 1:42 PM  

The DA in Texas and his wife? You mean the ones killed by the Klan?

Gots to love the media. I can't count the number of times I see the Klan when I'm at the gas station or out to the movies. I mean they're EVERYWHERE! But I never see an illegal immigrant on the left side of Home Depot...

Anonymous Gen. Kong April 06, 2013 3:06 PM  

Vox: How many more cities have to go bankrupt before it becomes obvious to everyone that immigration is not an intrinsic element of economic growth. It is more than a little ironic that in the name of free trade, Americans have somehow managed to accept a system that involves the free movement of labor as well as restrictions on the movement of capital.

You appear to have forgotten your own adage which applies here - MPAI. All the Ministry of Truth has to do is repeat the lies some more, add in a Krugman or other credentialed liar or three to pontificate, and even the 'smart, edgy, aware' NPR listeners will lap it up faster than the Rev. Jones' Kool-Aid clientele. This is not about logic, facts, data or truth. It's about a feeling, a quasi-religious tingle which must be satisfied at all costs. The number of cities, states and even nations which go completely in the toilet has no bearing - at least not until the nice 35-year old independent wymyn NPR-listeners see their kids carved up as 'bushmeat' by the neighboring Liberians imported into the Section-8 apartments down the block.

Anonymous Gen. Kong April 06, 2013 3:17 PM  

Geoff:
Gots to love the media. I can't count the number of times I see the Klan when I'm at the gas station or out to the movies. I mean they're EVERYWHERE! But I never see an illegal immigrant on the left side of Home Depot...

Gotta watch out for those August white sales at department stores, too. Maybe Eric "My People" Holder will ban such rayciss!!!! sales soon. We can only hope. Save us, O Mocha Messiah!

Anonymous DonReynolds April 06, 2013 3:51 PM  

Herman the German...."I lament the passing of my white European brothers & sisters into eventual demographical suicide. Do we deserve to inherit the future when, as a whole/race, we selfishly and narcissistically refuse to breed to at least a _sustaining_ level...demographically....in Europe, the U.S., or elsewhere??? Hmmnnn...."

There would be no such talk about white demographic suicide.... nowhwere, if we did not have an open border with Mexico, if legal immigration would not be such a high level, if the politicians were not determined to dramatically shift the politics of this country by making instant citizens out of the criminal invaders. There is no shortage of cheap labor in this country and even if there were no illegal (or legal immigration) we would still not have a labor shortage. There is no white demographic suicide. The white population continues to increase every friggin year. What it is not doing is keeping up with the rate of invasion, nor should it be expected to.

Good example, very recent. I know a young woman who recently lost her job. She did not make much.....less than 12 bucks an hour and her health benefits were crummy. Now on unemployment, she gets a check for 200 a week, which mostly goes to rent on her small apartment. She has been hunting a job, but all the jobs she has found are PART TIME, 30 hours a week or less, because of the Obamacare mandate and do not pay as well as she was making. So now she has to choose to go to work five days a week, six hours a day, and take home LESS money than she is getting on unemployment. She qualifed for EBT and gets a sum total of 115 bucks a month. OK, that pays for some of the groceries. Add to this, the fact that employers do not want anyone to work a second job, so they revolve around the schedule, swing the shifts unexpectedly, and put everyone on call. Not many can work two jobs anymore and they cannot live on 30 hours a week. These are rotten conditions to try to work in, but the illegal aliens like it just fine.

Anonymous Nobel Prize Winner April 06, 2013 3:58 PM  

But...but...but, my hedonic model of immigration and economic growth proves beyond a doubt that immigrant activity is good for the economy.

Mises? Mises who?

Anonymous Anonymous April 06, 2013 5:48 PM  


Dear Nobel Prize Winner: Did your hedonic model assume that the American window industry would experience a boom thanks to more windows being broken in the course of burglaries and other immigrant activity? Maybe there is another Nobel Prize just waiting for you!

Sincerely,

Freddy Bastiat

Blogger Holden April 06, 2013 7:14 PM  

M. Stanton Evans had a great editorial in Investor's Business Daily pointing out how demographics favour conservatives unless they "provide a path to citizenship" for all the illegals. The left knows they need unrestricted immigration to hold on to power.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-perspective/040413-650573-republicans-need-to-hang-tough-on-illegal-immigration.htm

Anonymous E. PERLINE April 06, 2013 10:30 PM  

When I saw the Grand Immigration Plan I was dumfounded. I didn't realize all those freebies were meant to draw more immigrants into the U.S.

When we have a large enough collection, we can let immigrants work in U.S. factories. Naturally, the minimum wage laws would no longer apply.

I know there will be protests but we cannot allow any immigrant who leaves the country the right to return. That's how we can finally beat the Chinese in competition and pricing.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza April 07, 2013 2:14 AM  

Agreed. With tax revenue down, the labor participation dangerously low (Americans won't hire other Americans) and the demand on social services it will take another 10 to 15 years for TPTB to realize Vox's very succinct summation.

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