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Saturday, April 27, 2013

Neoreactionary space

It's an informative visual, and certainly an excellent list of blogs well worth reading, but I'm a little surprised to see myself listed in between the Christian Traditionalists and the Ethno-Nationalists rather than triangulated between Christian Traditionalists, Economists and Masculine Reaction, which would put me right in between Taki and Roosh.  It's always interesting to see what people take away from the blog.

Not that I object to the placement, of course, since my conceptual approach has become increasingly holistic as the intrinsic relationship between diverse subjects such as economics and Christian theology, or ethno-nationalism and pick-up artistry, becomes more and more readily apparent as 21st century realities render progressive 20th century visions moot.

And Neoreactionary is an apt description for the broad spectrum of intellectuals opposed to the progressive, globalist, multicultural action from 1965 to 2008. We're not the reactionaries epitomized by the Archie Bunker caricature, we're not the political naifs of the Silent and Moral Majority, as we know the reality of the successful Gramscian Long March and we know the progressive arguments much better than they do themselves.

Whether it is the financial crisis of 2008, the implosion of the great global warming fraud that marks the turning point, or something altogether else, I don't know. But I have observed that something has changed, and that the conceptual energy is now on the side of we neoreactionaries and not the intellectually exhausted equalitarians.

One has only to look at the roster of TED talks to see how worn out and tired their ideas are. We are going to win in the long run because our concepts are derived from observable reality whereas theirs are not. In the war between ought and is, is always wins.

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Anonymous Anonymous April 27, 2013 10:38 AM  

No Thinking Housewife?

No SBPDL?

An interesting diagram, but incomplete. It also leaves out the III%ers.

Blogger Old Rebel April 27, 2013 10:47 AM  

"Neo-reactionary" is about as good a description as I can think of. As Vox has pointed out, there are problems with the term "conservative" to describe a movement (mostly intellectual at this point) that denounces the anti-human policies being forced on humanity by an other-worldly, short-sighted ruling class. Basic human needs cannot be satified with technological and ideological substitutes. A glance at any newspaper reveals we are turning into deracinated psychopaths.

So something's gotta give ...

Anonymous ConantheCimmerian April 27, 2013 11:04 AM  

Neo-reactionary. Fine. About as descriptive as anything else.

And I second what Shibes wrote especially in regards to the three-percenters/guns and liberty bloggers.

Blogger Doom April 27, 2013 11:05 AM  

Excess wealth, or the illusion of it, fuels ought-ism (pun intended).

Anonymous MrGreenMan April 27, 2013 11:17 AM  

Near Chronicles - good place to be!

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 27, 2013 11:21 AM  

""Neo-reactionary" is about as good a description as I can think of."

I prefer "anti-leftist" myself. (Or, in a less euphonious mood, "anti-insane, murderous, genocidal anti-white maniacs and their useful idiots and mindworm-infested zombies".) Also, "neo-isolationist" in a broader sense than just geopolitics. I think the Irish nationalists had it right: Sinn Fein, "ourselves alone". "Neo-reactionary" is accurate, and it may work, in the sense of "owning" it, but I'm not sure it's the right phrase for the bumper sticker. Reactionary is one of those words like Nazi that it's simply impossible to overcome. "No, no, what I MEAN is...."

"Alt-right" is good, but you have to spend way too much time explaining what you mean, to people who've never come across the phrase "alt-right". Sort of like HBDer or "race realist".

I don't consider myself "conservative" (who on earth is conserving anything?), nor to be of the "right" (I have no idea what the "right" really means, whereas I DO have an idea what the "left" really means).

It won't catch on, but I also consider myself to be on the side of the concept of "social ecology", in the vein of a rather idiosyncratic reading of Wendell Berry.

Anonymous Boogeyman April 27, 2013 11:25 AM  

You're more optimistic than I. Most people will chase after the Rock Candy Mountain even if it leads them off a cliff.

Speaking of Archie Bunker, one of my favorite quotes comes from that show. Archie is talking gun control with the daughter when she asks if he knows how many thousands of people die from guns every year.

Archie replies, "Would it make ya happier if theys was all pushed outta winda's?"

Blogger GAHCindy April 27, 2013 11:39 AM  

If you talk about Christ at all, you'll be in the "Christian" section no matter what else you talk about. Which is good, because that's the side you want to be on in the end, right? ;-)

Anonymous VD April 27, 2013 11:43 AM  

I don't mind in the slightest. But of the two books I've written, one is concerned with religion and the other with economics. I don't actually write that much on ethno-nationalism.

Anonymous dana April 27, 2013 12:04 PM  

i miss onestdv

Anonymous Bobbala April 27, 2013 12:12 PM  

"We are going to win in the long run ...", But will we survive?

Blogger Gilbert Ratchet April 27, 2013 12:24 PM  

I notice that they've put OneSTDV on there, but his blog has been invitation-only for some time. Does anyone know how to score tickets?

Anonymous Josh April 27, 2013 12:29 PM  

Why isn't Steve Sailer an ethno-nationalist?

Anonymous paradox April 27, 2013 12:34 PM  

Neo-reactionary is OK...

I prefer counter-revolutionary. The left is always revolutionary.

Anonymous CrisisEraDynamo April 27, 2013 12:34 PM  

Vox, I get the opposite impression.

Millennials are becoming less racist, and they do not believe in male privilege; in fact, they would move fast to condemn it. At least in America, they generally vote for Obama when they vote at all. There is also this article by Foreign Policy magazine describing a global convergence in social norms -- and this convergence is in a progressive, feminist direction.

Coupled with the increasing power of the surveillance state, progressivism is on the march to final victory. We will not be able to resist it for long.

Anonymous VD April 27, 2013 12:43 PM  

Coupled with the increasing power of the surveillance state, progressivism is on the march to final victory. We will not be able to resist it for long.

You are forgetting something. That which is not sustainable will not survive. They HAVE to march towards totalitarism. That is the last stage before the final collapse.

Anonymous Josh April 27, 2013 12:55 PM  

Millennials are becoming less racist, and they do not believe in male privilege; in fact, they would move fast to condemn it. At least in America, they generally vote for Obama when they vote at all.

And this is different from other generations at that same age how?

Anonymous cheddarman April 27, 2013 12:58 PM  

You are forgetting something. That which is not sustainable will not survive. They HAVE to march towards totalitarism. That is the last stage before the final collapse. - VD

Could one of the Ilk please arrange a massive meteorite strike on Washington DC, New York City, and Hollywood, so we can avoid the totalitarian stage, move quickly through the collapse stage and on to the rebuilding stage?

Anonymous CrisisEraDynamo April 27, 2013 1:00 PM  

@ Josh

Because America in previous eras wasn't a fountain of multicultural tolerance, and neither was any other place in the world.

Anonymous Aeoli April 27, 2013 1:17 PM  

I would, cheddar, but I lost confidence after I botched the Vatican job.

Anonymous JCB April 27, 2013 1:19 PM  

This generation's would be totalitarians have a lot more toys to play with than their predecessors. They also differ from past despots in that instead of merely enslaving the plebes they would like to exterminate us. We may defeat them, but they won't go quietly. I fear a mountain of skulls.

Anonymous is it can be troll bob time now? April 27, 2013 1:20 PM  

"neo-reactionary" still cedes the language to the Marxists.

in point of fact, it is the Marxists ( crypto- and otherwise ) who are REACTING against that which IS in the service of some supposed inevitable future internationalist 'progressive' utopia.

Blogger RobertT April 27, 2013 1:22 PM  

"I'm a little surprised"

Me as well. That makes no sense to me at all. I suspect it's more related to the placement of the different sections around the visual than what people take away from your blog. In fact, it's pretty eclectic and relatively hard to place. But, you did originate the sigma concept, didn't you?

Anonymous Roundtine April 27, 2013 1:31 PM  

I have a site I use instead of an feed reader, with links to a lot of "neo reactionary" blogs, also econ heavy. Works best on big monitors.

Unorthodoxy

Blogger David F. April 27, 2013 1:32 PM  

@Josh. I think Steve Sailer is still attached to his doomed classical liberal idea of civic nationalism or "citizenism." Sailer is more of a enthusiastic observer and smasher of retarded idols than an actual advocate of specific positions, although his POV is becoming more obvious in his posts.

I think a diagram like this is a fun idea, but this could only be a early draft. A true graph showing major and minor connections between all the significant alt-right/reactionary sites would reveal the relationships between the schools of thought more accurately.

Anonymous rubberducky April 27, 2013 1:33 PM  

The Left loves to play these silly games with the labeling. Think: "People's Judean Front" vs. "People's Front of Judea". The only real value in getting pigeonholed by these guys is that it's a tell. Shows you how they perceive you, how they relate to your ideas.

Blogger Dominic Saltarelli April 27, 2013 1:48 PM  

An odd placement indeed. I would have put this blog solidly in with the 'masculine reaction' with a link to the economists. In all honesty, I see very little actual promotion of religion in this blog. You get the occasional holiday post, but lets face it, TIA was years ago. I see more posts here about football than Jesus.

Blogger David F. April 27, 2013 1:50 PM  

Perhaps every blogger could poll their readers (i.e. invitation only to regular commentators) and ask what other blogs they frequented. This anonymous data could be combined to create a graph that would demonstrate the true empirical relationships between alt-right sites. I expect Steve Sailer would be a dense star, with links nearly everywhere. The Spearhead and Dalrock would probably be closer to the alt-right/Christian cluster than to the rest of the androsphere. Vox Day would probably be in the same general area, but closer to the economics and literary blogs, etc. This might be a very interesting project, but it would require a fair bit of cooperation.

It would be particularly interesting to see what unexpected connections exist, and what mainstream sites are popular with readers in our 'sphere.

Anonymous stg58/Animal Mother April 27, 2013 2:29 PM  

Where are Sipsey Street, WRSA, Oath Keepers, etc?

Anonymous VD April 27, 2013 2:39 PM  

In all honesty, I see very little actual promotion of religion in this blog.

Dominic, I think you are forgetting that I am insufficiently celebratory of St. Darwin. This obviously renders me a thoughtless Bible Thumping Dominionist of the most societally dangerous degree.

Blogger IM2L844 April 27, 2013 2:41 PM  

They HAVE to march towards totalitarism. That is the last stage before the final collapse. - VD

Towards, yes, but collapse is the last stage before final totalitarianism. I'll bet you 1 troy oz .999 Silver.

Anonymous Idle Spectator April 27, 2013 2:48 PM  

The TED Talks have become so tired and stale, even the notoriously liberal Onion News keeps ripping them a new one. They are headquartered in Chicago, so what do you expect. And well too. They might as well be swiss cheese by now.

Compost-Fueled Cars: Wouldn't That Be Great? Onion Talks

He outlines the idea he came up with in detail, leaving the formalities for other visionaries in other fields. One thing is for certain: he already came up with the idea.

Comedic gold quote: "I'm an idea man. I link up with implementers, and then we share the money."


Here's a mathematics one.

What is the biggest rock?

With so many rocks, which one is the biggest? Professor of Mathematics Arima Nayar explains the science behind big rock discovery, and where the hunt could take us next.

Blogger IM2L844 April 27, 2013 3:04 PM  

The TED Talks have become so tired and stale,...

I watched a TED talk a while back by some female atheist professor that all boiled down to The Trouble with Christians. The fundamental premise for the talk seemed to be Christians (along with other token religions sprinkled in here and there) think they're right about everything. I was laughing so hard, I nearly pissed my pants. She was completely oblivious to her double standard and apparently she's one of the smart ones.

Anonymous karsten April 27, 2013 3:07 PM  

The graphic is pointedly missing The Occidental Observer, edited by Dr. Kevin MacDonald, which is IMO the finest site of any kind in this sphere -- the boldest, bravest, most penetrating and trenchant.

I would also grant Counter-Currents, helmed by Greg Johnson, a respected place.

Anonymous DonReynolds April 27, 2013 3:18 PM  

Very good summary, Vox. I have made a similar argument for the benefit of undergraduate students, during the two decades that taught. Capitalism will persist in the end because it does not require a change in human nature. All the other forms of economic and social organization are based on sacrifice and altruism.....either to the state (fascism), or to nature (environmentalism), or the collective (socialism/communism), or to the King (monarchy/despotism). Only Capitalism takes man as he is by nature and forge a durable and effective (and efficient) economic and political society. All the other forms of social and economic organizations rely on altruism, slavery, and bayonets to exist.

Anonymous GreyS April 27, 2013 3:59 PM  

" But I have observed that something has changed, and that the conceptual energy is now on the side of we neoreactionaries and not the intellectually exhausted equalitarians."

The internet is changing it all. For every subject which is promoted by "progressive, globalist, multicultural action" there are any number of people with real-world experience, insightful thought, unique perspective to each subject who refute the official view --- and then the word is spread rapidly, arming millions more with information, leaving those who are prone to following the government and media in the dust where they can mostly use only rhetoric and emotion.

Anonymous Idle Spectator April 27, 2013 4:30 PM  

The internet is changing it all.

That's what this ol' Idler said on here a long time ago. It is the new printing press. They both pissed the church off something awful; either the Catholic one in the old days or the Secular one now.

Anonymous YIH April 27, 2013 4:40 PM  

@ Shibes Meadow
No Thinking Housewife?
No SBPDL?
Easy enough to fix; Laura Wood (Thinking Housewife) has literally picked up where Auster left off and either Unamusement Park (defunct) or Those Who can See (hiatus - return unknown) could easily be replaced with SBPDL
I too was surprised to see no connection between Vox and economics - it's about a third of the blog.

Anonymous Josh April 27, 2013 4:54 PM  

SBDL is the guy who keeps bitching about how football is biased against whites, right?

Anonymous SMERSH April 27, 2013 7:21 PM  

"Why isn't Steve Sailer an ethno-nationalist?"

Steve isn't listed as an ethnonationalist because he isn't an ethnonationalist.

He is a citizenist; he thinks the state should look out for its current citizens.

Sort of a naive idea but it probably allows him to function more effectively as a gateway drug; ethnonationalism is still more controversial than science based race realism.

Anonymous A Dilemma April 27, 2013 10:48 PM  

Christian theology and pick-up artistry do NOT mix, go hand-in-hand, are complete opposites, etc. Pick one.

Blogger Dominic Saltarelli April 28, 2013 1:27 AM  

-VD
Dominic, I think you are forgetting that I am insufficiently celebratory of St. Darwin. This obviously renders me a thoughtless Bible Thumping Dominionist of the most societally dangerous degree.

Ahhh, yes. You're right, of course. A simple remedy, just have a life-size bronze bust of Darwin commissioned for display as an epic hood ornament on the finest piece of German engineering you own and you'll be right as rain.

That, and add the following HTML line to your top page quote.

Dedicated to Darwin, the greatest biologist who ever lived.

Blogger Markku April 28, 2013 4:49 AM  

Oh look, it's Dimwit Dan.

Anonymous sprach von Teufelhunden April 28, 2013 7:12 AM  

In the chart, they left out the section for the Theocratic Anarchist. Most there, don’t have a clue as to how the world really works. But, I suppose someday they will. Either from “within” or “without.” [1]

One needs to come to terms with the designation, DVD. I’m not talking about the Digital Video/Versatile Disc. Nor, am I speaking of the Deutsche Vereinigung für Datenschutz. Try adding Verteidigungs Dienst, in the second and third positions.

In this world, we have to learn to become proactive, far more than we have displayed to date, reactive. The last century alone, is too much evidence to this — reactive.



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[1] They really blew it with Hoppe. Just goes to show, how much those there know what they are talking about.

Blogger Baloo April 28, 2013 9:20 AM  

I'm miffed that Ex-Army's blog isn't there, since I contribute a lot to it. Maybe he writes too much about Japanese cartoons, or maybe calling himself a "libertarian nationalist" confuses everybody. It certainly confuses a lot of libertarians, who seem to feel that libertarianism is just a subset of liberalism. Anyhow, I miss OneSTDV, too, and I'm pretty sure it's gone, not just "by invitiation only," which, I believe, is just what blogger says when a blog is ended.


Blogger Dominic Saltarelli April 28, 2013 10:56 AM  

-Markku
Oh look, it's Dimwit Dan.

Hey, a Bioshock reference!

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