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Thursday, May 09, 2013

Adios ProFootballTalk

I used to like ProFootballTalk when it was actually about what happened around the NFL.  But I found myself reading it less and less often last season even though I was still actively following the NFL.  Now that it's an advocacy site primarily concerned with what Tim Tebow SHOULD do, and what the NFL SHOULD do, and what team owners SHOULD do I can't even stand reading it anymore.  It's just one stupid left-liberal crusade after another; the final straw for me was the campaign to save Chris Kluwe's job because he supports homogamy.  Followed, a few days later, by the continued campaign to change the Redskins name; a name that troubles no one, including the overwhelming number of American Indians, outside the media.

Now, I actually liked Kluwe.  But he was bad last year.  Very bad.  When the Vikings needed a big kick, he shanked it.  When they needed him to drop it inside the five, he booted it out of the end zone.  And the hypocrisy PFT showed in distinguishing how they covered Kluwe's comments about homosexuals (isn't it wonderful that he speaks out on such an important issue) compared to the way they covered Chris Culliver's (the NFL should discipline him and the 49ers should consider cutting him), was simply outrageous.

So, besides Football Outsiders, what is the best NFL site to replace it on the sidebar?

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134 Comments:

Anonymous JartStar May 09, 2013 9:22 AM  

I found that the ESPN blogs for each of the divisions is very good as they are mostly just a news aggregate with some football related commentary. http://espn.go.com/espn/blogs Here's for the Vikings.

Anonymous Clay May 09, 2013 9:23 AM  

Have you ever checked out fantasysharks.com ?

Anonymous Dave May 09, 2013 9:23 AM  

Vox-
If you are interested in an NFL site that combines humor (a bit of raunchiness, too)with NFL news and stories, check out kissingsuzykolber.

Anonymous nordicthunder May 09, 2013 9:24 AM  

don't know about others, but I'm almost finished with the NFL entirely, what with the impossible to watch "Pink Octobers", never ending emphasis on feel good stories about the players "giving back to their communities" etc..perhaps watching with the volume muted is the best option for now. it sure seems the NFL has lost its focus on the game itself. but one can't argue its marketing is bad, it grows every year....is there an NFL bubble in progress? if so, when does it burst?

Anonymous CJ May 09, 2013 9:24 AM  

I follow the SB Nation blogs for my favorite teams, and they are all quite good. I don't know the reputation of the Vikings blog, but you can check it out here: http://www.dailynorseman.com/

Anonymous Van May 09, 2013 9:28 AM  

At this point I follow the NFL to the extent necessary to seem "normal" to people at work and the majority of acquaintances still living in fantasy land.

Anonymous rubbermallet May 09, 2013 9:32 AM  

http://www.profootballweekly.com/

Run by Hub Arkish.

Anonymous Josh May 09, 2013 9:34 AM  

So, besides Football Outsiders, what is the best NFL site to replace it on the sidebar?

This question doesn't make sense...there isn't a better NFL site...

But if you're looking for a site with more frequent postings, check out Shutdown Corner on Yahoo sports.

Anonymous rubbermallet May 09, 2013 9:34 AM  

just looked on front page of pfw and not one tebow or kluwe article.

Anonymous dudemanhey May 09, 2013 9:34 AM  

Yes i agree with CJ

The SB Nation blog for the Carolina Panthers always has good stuff - often info not available through traditional media outlets.

I'm not very familiar with the the Daily Norseman, but at Cat Scratch Reader the managing contributors are pretty in the know, and have Twitter relationships with members of both the media and actual coaches etc within the Panthers organization.

Just read a story there yesterday about why the Panthers should NOT pursue Kluwe actually.

Blogger Peter Collesano May 09, 2013 9:34 AM  

Try National football post. nationalfootballpost.com. Written by former players and scouts. Pretty good stuff. Bleacher report is pretty good too.

Anonymous Daniel May 09, 2013 9:35 AM  

Let's start our own. Local ilk insights on folks' favorite teams have been more accurate and interesting than anything else. Also, it is nice to be reminded that the Titans exist, if for no other reason but nostalgia for Earl Campbell.

Anonymous Daniel May 09, 2013 9:38 AM  

I can't read SB Nation or Bleacher Report or any of those places that puts one photo, one sentence, and then 50 "click here's" to advance the story to the end.

Anonymous Josh May 09, 2013 9:42 AM  

SB Nation is awesome if only because of footballstudy hall and edsbs.

Anonymous Godfrey May 09, 2013 9:48 AM  

EVERYTHING is agenda driven. The wealthy cultural elites set the agenda and manipulate us all.

Anonymous dudemanhey May 09, 2013 9:49 AM  

I will say that the comment section of the SB Blogs ( at least CSR) is full of rabbit people. It's pretty discouraging to read the opinions of those folks, especially if the discussion drifts to anything political.

I try to keep in mind that 1)most of the commenters there are 20-somethings or college students that have had relentless feminization forced down there throats their entire lives, 2) that they are urban/suburbanites that will perish when the zombie apocolypse hits & 3) we're all just Panthers fans and it's a football blog.

Anonymous Josh May 09, 2013 9:54 AM  

I will say that the comment section of the SB Blogs ( at least CSR) is full of rabbit people. It's pretty discouraging to read the opinions of those folks, especially if the discussion drifts to anything political.

One of the reasons that FO has good comment threads is because of their ruthless enforcement of their rule one: "there's no politics in football".

Anonymous A Long Way to Buffalo May 09, 2013 10:02 AM  

Agreed that the SB sites for specific teams can be excellent. I keep up with my Buffalo Bills through that site.

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/

Anonymous CJ May 09, 2013 10:04 AM  

"I can't read SB Nation or Bleacher Report or any of those places that puts one photo, one sentence, and then 50 "click here's" to advance the story to the end."

Huh? Bleacher Report is awful, but the SB Nation blogs are pretty straight forward. Click on headline, read story.

As far as Rabbit People, I think it varies by blog. None of the Chicago blogs I read have much in the way of political or religious talk. When Derrick Rose said "only God knows" when he would return from his knee injury, you had some athiest snark but it didn't go anywhere.

Anonymous Roundtine May 09, 2013 10:16 AM  

SB Nation is the only one I frequent, I follow my favorite hockey team through them. The amount of detail they go into is insane. Those nerds write 2000 words for every post game recap/analysis.

Off hand I can't say if they even have generalized blogs, but they must at least have someone who does a recap of all the best posts.

Anonymous 11B May 09, 2013 10:18 AM  

Speaking of Tebow, here is an interesting bit of news.

After Tebow was released by the Jets, one of the franchise's former quarterbacks, Vinny Testaverde, expressed his disappointment to ESPNNewYork.com's Rich Cimini. Testaverde, who had just spent a week working with Tebow in Florida, said he and another ex-NFL quarterback, Chris Weinke, made a key footwork adjustment that produced noticeable results.

"Chris and I looked at Tim careful and we were both amazed," Testaverde told Cimini. "Everybody has been focusing on his throwing motion, trying to fix that, but nobody had picked up his footwork. His footwork was all screwed up …

"We got his footwork fixed. His throwing motion is now a non-issue. He throws with what we call 'effortless power.' He doesn't have that elongated motion anymore and his head isn't moving two-and-a-half feet when he throws it."

Referring to the Jets' coaches, Testaverde added, "I think they would have been impressed if they had compared this year to last year."


Gee, I would really like to see if this is so. I have no reason to doubt Vinny.

Anonymous dh May 09, 2013 10:20 AM  

Whatever it is, it shouldn't have a heading for "latest rumors". Gossiping is for women.

Anonymous Conrad The Crazed May 09, 2013 10:22 AM  

Hard to find truly awesome 'go to' NFL sites, but in the lurch this does for me:

http://www.theredzone.org/

I used to frequent NFL Sportsline (CBS), but its turned into 'The View' also when it comes to covering the league.

And for strictly humor, you owe it to yourselves to read some of the faux twitter feeds created here:

http://profootballmock.com/category/nfl-qbs-on-facebook/


Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 May 09, 2013 10:25 AM  

PFT used to be a good read, and I still read it around big events - draft day(s), free agency - because it has a pretty good finger on the pulse of the league for those kinds of things.
For game analysis, they've always sucked.
Ever since NBC bought them lock-stock-and-barrel, the site went from news and rumors to advocacy. Of course, it needs to be noted that the NFL itself has shifted from a game to a litmus test platform for Important Social Issues N' Stuff that occasionally gets interrupted by four quarters of a game from time to time.
As for other sites, Football Outsiders is the best, especially if you're slightly autistic and have a fetish for relating everything to the analysis of second-tier statistics of dubious merit.
Bleacher Report is terrible, ESPN is decent for headlines but you're going to get the same advocacy as PFT, just a little less overt. Most other sites/blogs focus on a single team or simply dither with the blatantly obvious.
Go with FO.
And if any of the Ilk really do want to team up and start a football site, let's talk.

Blogger darkdoc May 09, 2013 10:32 AM  

A Bronco's site that is basically excelllent on football coverage of the Bronco's and aften other teams, is itsalloverfatman.com. Th guys that run it have some of the best football knowledge around.

But the problem is the same. Left liberal comments abound, and you can not escape all the white-knighting that occurs over every supposed slight of any homo, racial, or feminist person even remotely affiliated with football. These guys are out to save them all.

It's a shame, it otherwise forces you to ignore a lot crap to still get the great teaching of the game that occurs in their writing.

Anonymous Josh May 09, 2013 10:33 AM  

And for strictly humor, you owe it to yourselves to read some of the faux twitter feeds created here:

Oh God yes. That's one of the funniest sports related sites in a while.

Anonymous Josh May 09, 2013 10:35 AM  

As for other sites, Football Outsiders is the best, especially if you're slightly autistic and have a fetish for relating everything to the analysis of second-tier statistics of dubious merit.

What if you're part of the group that's still irritated that they changed DPAR to DYAR?

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia May 09, 2013 10:46 AM  

Titans exist, if for no other reason but nostalgia for Earl Campbell.

F You and the Bud Adams you rode in on.

Campbell is a Houston Oiler.

Anonymous VD May 09, 2013 10:46 AM  

And if any of the Ilk really do want to team up and start a football site, let's talk.

I'm certainly up for it. I'm a little dubious, however, since I conceived AG as a group blog and the other posters rapidly faded away. But if people are interested, let's talk about it here. The main key to blog success is regularity. If you can't post on a regular schedule, you shouldn't blog.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia May 09, 2013 10:48 AM  

Profootbaltalk has become the Bud Adams of football blogs.

Anonymous Josh May 09, 2013 11:00 AM  

And if any of the Ilk really do want to team up and start a football site, let's talk.

I would be interested.

What kind of site do you have in mind?

Football things I can typing about:
Vanderbilt football
The SEC
Tennessee Titans
Airraid and spread college teams
Statistical analysis
Football strategy
Making fun of the B1G
College football in general
NFL in general
EASports NCAA Football 14

Anonymous Monsignor Nose May 09, 2013 11:11 AM  

Ah, not to worry, what with all of the lawsuits being levied against the NFL concerning football player concussions and parents refusing to let their boys play football for fear of concussions, football as we know it is in its death throes anyway.

Let the liberal sissies and the fags take their ball and go home with it.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 May 09, 2013 11:20 AM  

Football things I can typing about:
Vanderbilt football
The SEC
Tennessee Titans
Airraid and spread college teams
Statistical analysis
Football strategy
Making fun of the B1G
College football in general
NFL in general
EASports NCAA Football 14


All of those things, I wager, would be of interest. Likewise, thorough analysis that doesn't require the analyzer's cranium to be between his gluteal cleft. For example, how Manti Te'o will be a superstar despite his folding like cheap laundry on national TV in the one game where he faced a pro-quality offense. Any mediocre athlete can LOOK like a superstar when the service academies comprise 33.3 percent of your team's schedule.
But I digress.
I think a solid site would feature solid pre-game/post-game analysis, commentary that discusses on-field matters and leaves the Important Social Issues to the Bob Costas' of the world, maybe spread/lines discussions and analysis, there is a lot out there that doesn't seem to be covered too well.
As for posting regularly, yes, that may be an issue, but in my time here I've noticed a pretty consistent passion for the sport among the Ilk.
If we could get Jamie as Foreign Correspondent for live blogging of games, we'd have the best football site of all time, hands-down.

Anonymous RINO May 09, 2013 11:25 AM  

The liberal invasion of football is nearly complete. I don't even really mind the breast cancer awareness stuff. But the endless pushing of gay politics? The endless pushing of "safety"? The endless pushing of politically correct nonsense? No one is offended by the "Redskins" except idiots. I remember there was a survey of Indians where they asked "do you like being labeled as 'Indian' or 'Native America'?" And much to the horror of liberals ... the majority of them preferred "Indian" over their totally invented phrase "Native American".

Anonymous Stilicho May 09, 2013 11:27 AM  

Have to limit Nate's Alabama posts though. It can get tiresome, especially when he's right.

For the NFL, I think one blogger per division could work well. What frequency of posts would you consider workable and on what timeframe/subject/team/division basis?

Anonymous dh May 09, 2013 11:33 AM  

The endless pushing of "safety"?

This is bizarre as well. Though I am pretty sure this is designed to prevent any successful future damages lawsuits from former players.

Players - especially from a few years ago - that are basically brain damaged and not wealthy by modern standards - have a lot of potential running room for damages lawsuits.

Anonymous Josh May 09, 2013 11:35 AM  

For the NFL, I think one blogger per division could work well. What frequency of posts would you consider workable and on what timeframe/subject/team/division basis?

If you had eight NFL bloggers contributing 3-4 posts per week (game preview post, game recap post, weekly player movement/injury report post,etc) you'd have 24-32 posts a week. Plus you'd have weekly gameday discussion threads. And college content. College could be one blogger per major conference for the five conferences that matter (if you think the acc still matters). Or if there's more college interest, split up the conferences by division (Nate takes SEC West, I take SEC East, for example)

Anonymous VD May 09, 2013 11:37 AM  

For the NFL, I think one blogger per division could work well. What frequency of posts would you consider workable and on what timeframe/subject/team/division basis?

PFT has about 2x more than I think necessary. I think around 12 posts per day would be suitable. And I concur, one blogger per division should work, which means eight bloggers. I'd blog 3x per week, but I wouldn't be a division guy. I think one daily post, plus one longer weekly column, would be the commitment I'd want people to make.

Anonymous Daniel May 09, 2013 11:39 AM  

Campbell is a Houston Oiler.

Oh, yeah. I should have remembered that from the blue and red cow he had on the side of his helmet.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box May 09, 2013 11:39 AM  

A wise decision.
You're bailing on PFT for the same reason I dumped religion: FAKE asshats "SHOULD"ing all over me are a consistent turn-off!

Blogger Scott May 09, 2013 11:47 AM  

The liberal invasion of football is nearly complete. They've taken over hockey too. If you don't actively support the "You can play" project, you're the most evil person alive. The last thing I want to talk about day to day is fags and everyday the incessant beating down of Christians for believing homosexuality is a sin is quite annoying when the people who bring it up can't even figure out the difference between the new and old testament. "Do you eat shellfish? then gay love isn't a sin" Impeccable logic I manage to hear once a day on sports radio. I only hear it once because the radio gets shut off when it comes up(I'm not religious and I still find it annoying)

Anonymous RINO May 09, 2013 11:51 AM  

They've taken over hockey too.

Pretty much every sport. NBA too. Look at all the media fawning over Collins. Then there's Mark Cuban floating the possibility of drafting that female player in the 2nd round of the draft .. for some reason.

Blogger Scott May 09, 2013 11:53 AM  

Pretty much every sport. Yeah, but basketball makes sense. It is gay.

Anonymous Daniel May 09, 2013 11:53 AM  

Kluwe's career end was wholly unsurprising from a football perspective. He was bad last year regardless of his "ranking."

(punter rankings are stupid in the league - they base it on net distance - yet they can all kick the ball the same distance - what matters is coverage and the punter's ability to move the receiver out of position while placing the ball in a bad spot. There's no real state for that.)

Unless you are Reggie Roby, the most important punter stat would be something like "Average Gross Awkward Placement" but because that stat does not exist, announcers don't ever talk about the "coffin corner" anymore, because Fantasy Football doesn't account for it.

A successful coffin corner should be worth a point in FF, and AGAP should be too. If they were, Kluwe would have been at the back of the pack last year. His head was elsewhere. During one of the Detroit games, I made the comment that he just looked like he was bored with kicking.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 May 09, 2013 11:53 AM  

Dibs on covering the AFC West.
Eh, I'd cover any division really, except the AFC North.
And PAC-Whatever for college.
And spreads/lines if we include that.
That posting schedule would not be difficult to commit to.
Also, if Castricv is still popping around here, we should try to rope him in as one of the bloggers.

Anonymous Josh May 09, 2013 11:59 AM  

Unless you are Reggie Roby, the most important punter stat would be something like "Average Gross Awkward Placement" but because that stat does not exist, announcers don't ever talk about the "coffin corner" anymore, because Fantasy Football doesn't account for it.

I believe you might be looking for something like this:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst2012

Anonymous Stilicho May 09, 2013 12:01 PM  

I'll volunteer for AFC East.

Anonymous Josh May 09, 2013 12:08 PM  

I'll volunteer for AFC South and SEC (or SEC East).

Anonymous Daniel May 09, 2013 12:13 PM  

Thanks, Josh. DVOA is great, but an individual punter can hide out there. I just mean the eyeball test that can't quite be measured in yardage. Within the 20 is an attempt to account for it, but it isn't right either.

I'd love to be able to say: Yes Kluwe's kick teams netted 40 yards last year (or whatever the number is), but he missed 7 cc ops, had 7 shanks, an endzone shank, and about 20 breadbaskets.

The problem is that punting is so situational: Kicking it 65 from your own endzone is good football. Kicking it 65 from your 45 seems good, but may not be ideal, considering your coverage team. Kicking it 65 from the opponent's 45 is a botched play.

As isolated as the punter seems, his position is one whose stats are surprisingly clouded by the fact that it is a true team sport.

Anonymous MattN May 09, 2013 12:21 PM  

This is an awesome idea! Profootballtalk is good for news but the editorializing in it has been getting very annoying for a while. It seems like Mike Florio couldn't mention Kurt Warner with out some kind of snide comment. The constant talk about all things gay has become tiresome.

I'd love to take a division, doesn't matter which one I love football! If there's to be college football involved I follow Michigan and the Big Ten very heavily.

Anonymous Josh May 09, 2013 12:23 PM  

As isolated as the punter seems, his position is one whose stats are surprisingly clouded by the fact that it is a true team sport.

Thankfully we have my punter wins stat, which ranks punters by how many games they win, because just win, baby.

Anonymous Josh May 09, 2013 12:25 PM  

If there's to be college football involved I follow Michigan and the Big Ten very heavily.

Hey, remember that time Michigan played South Carolina and Clowney decapitated that running back?


That was awesome.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 May 09, 2013 12:29 PM  

That was awesome

Yes.
Yes it was.

Anonymous Josh May 09, 2013 12:40 PM  

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/5906741/clowney.0_standard_400.0.gif

Anonymous RINO May 09, 2013 1:11 PM  

Eh, I'd cover any division really, except the AFC North.

What's wrong with the AFC North?

Anonymous Josh May 09, 2013 1:18 PM  

What's wrong with the AFC North?

Most people hate the steelers and the ravens, and browns and bengals are usually terrible.

Wouldn't be a fun division to blog about unless you're a fan of one of the teams.

Anonymous RINO May 09, 2013 1:21 PM  

Most people hate the steelers and the ravens, and browns and bengals are usually terrible.

Most people hate the Steelers because they hate greatness. The Ravens hate is legit. Which is why this year will be fun .. everyone will realize Joe Flacco's contract torpedoed that team.

Anonymous YIH May 09, 2013 1:22 PM  

@Josh: I'm glad that was a big .gif so I got to see it in slo-mo as it loaded then full speed once done. That was a trainwreck.
Also: One of the reasons that FO has good comment threads is because of their ruthless enforcement of their rule one: "there's no politics in football".
Wondering what they mean by that, there are times when the two legitimately intersect. See teams wanting new stadiums - and threatening to move.

Anonymous Josh May 09, 2013 1:29 PM  

Wondering what they mean by that, there are times when the two legitimately intersect. See teams wanting new stadiums - and threatening to move.

Those threads tend to be not as political as you might think because almost everyone on both sides is against publicly funded stadia for billionaires.

FO does a good job of nuking political discussion and generally errs on the side of "nuke first."

Anonymous Blaster May 09, 2013 1:35 PM  

My favorite NFL commentator is Brian Burke at Advanced NFL Stats:

http://www.advancednflstats.com/

Anonymous Josh May 09, 2013 1:36 PM  

Most people hate the Steelers because they hate greatness.

No, most people hate the steelers because steelers fans are horrible.

Anonymous Josh May 09, 2013 1:38 PM  

My favorite NFL commentator is Brian Burke at Advanced NFL Stats:

Burke is pretty good. He's gotten significantly better over the years.

The absolute best writer covering the NFL is Mike Tanier at Sports On Earth.

The absolute worst is Greggggggggg TMQ or Peter King.

Anonymous dudemanhey May 09, 2013 1:41 PM  

@Josh

Remember when Appalachian St. (my alma mater) played Michigan that one time in the Big House??

Now ASU has totally shot them selves in the foot by moving to the SunBelt conference (i think)and ditching the I-AA Southern Conference. Now instead of competing for a national championship every season they can maybe get to go to the Depends Adult Diaper LGBT Freedom Bowl! Hooray!

Anonymous dudemanhey May 09, 2013 1:41 PM  

Also, i would be interested in doing a bi-weekly NFC South blog post.

Anonymous RINO May 09, 2013 1:46 PM  

No, most people hate the steelers because steelers fans are horrible.

Why do people seem to understand that but not understand people hating Tebow because Tebow fans are horrible?

Anonymous Josh May 09, 2013 1:54 PM  

Why do people seem to understand that but not understand people hating Tebow because Tebow fans are horrible?

Are most Tebow fans horrible?

Anonymous Josh May 09, 2013 1:55 PM  

Remember when Appalachian St. (my alma mater) played Michigan that one time in the Big House??


That was awesome

Anonymous VD May 09, 2013 1:58 PM  

NFC North:
NFC South: Dudemanhey
NFC East:
NFC West:

AFC North
AFC East: Stilicho
AFC South: Josh
AFC West: Huckleberry

Anything but AFC North: RINO

We need three more. Anyone else interested? I'd also be interested in finding someone to cover the league office.

Initially, I'll just create a Blogspot blog. If it starts to pick up enough traffic, we'll get more serious about the hosting and all.

Anonymous VD May 09, 2013 1:58 PM  

Wait, I almost forgot! If we're going to compete with PFT, we'll need someone on full time Tebow watch!

Anonymous RINO May 09, 2013 2:05 PM  

Anything but AFC North: RINO

Huckleberry said "anything but AFC north". I wouldn't mind doing AFC North or even Fantasy Football posts, if you can't find anyone else.

Anonymous Daniel May 09, 2013 2:10 PM  

I'll do NFC Central...er, North...if no one else will.

Anonymous VD May 09, 2013 2:12 PM  

Also, anyone have any strong opinions on names? We can't refer to the NFL directly, obviously.

Anonymous Daniel May 09, 2013 2:21 PM  

All my opinions are weak. but for the record they are:

The Shield Bash
Dreadball
Football Ilkorporated
A Throne of Games

Anonymous NateM May 09, 2013 2:22 PM  

I actually like the Browns but hate the Ravens and pity the Bengals, that qualify me for AFC North?

Anonymous GreyS May 09, 2013 2:22 PM  

I'll do the NFC West if I can tread on Huck's territory and pitch in on some Charger stuff. Or maybe I can talk him into switching. Or maybe combo-ing both West divisions?

Anonymous GreyS May 09, 2013 2:25 PM  

What about Football Pop? -- a reference to VP; easy to remember for passers-by.

Anonymous JartStar May 09, 2013 2:27 PM  

Wait, I almost forgot! If we're going to compete with PFT, we'll need someone on full time Tebow watch!

We just need a counter on the side which tallies the number of times "Tim Tebow" is mentioned in the news.

Or to parody PFT, hours since "Tim Tebow" has been mentioned.

Anonymous NateM May 09, 2013 2:27 PM  

Names:
RSHD Ball?

Anonymous JartStar May 09, 2013 2:29 PM  

For instance if you do a google news search Tim Tebow has pops up in 69 news sources in the last 24 hours.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 May 09, 2013 2:40 PM  

Names:

In the Trenches
From the Shotgun
Alpha Gridiron
Fourth and Ilk

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia May 09, 2013 2:44 PM  

Campbell is a Houston Oiler.

Oh, yeah. I should have remembered that from the blue and red cow he had on the side of his helmet.


First, let me begin, by thanking all of Tennessee for taking out our trash and providing Bud Adams a home, and the curse that follows him.

Campbell never played pro football in the state of Tennessee, and his poor knees never will.

The Houston Oilers are now defunct.

So, suck it Titans. Go get some greatness of your own and quit trying to rob some shine from places you ain't.

Anonymous Josh May 09, 2013 2:51 PM  

What about IlkFootballTalk?

Anonymous Stilicho May 09, 2013 2:52 PM  

Names:

The Crew
Sidelines
Chalk Talk (or is this taken?)
Punting Rabbits
Game Plan
Droll Tide

Blogger James Dixon May 09, 2013 2:54 PM  

> ...and providing Bud Adams a home, and the curse that follows him.

A self inflicted curse. It was all downhill from the time they fired Bum Phillips.

Anonymous Josh May 09, 2013 3:00 PM  

We've actually made it to the super bowl, something Houston never did.

Anonymous Daniel May 09, 2013 3:06 PM  

Seriously though, watching Earl Campbell was like watching aliens attack. It was unearthly, as if he was playing against a bunch of jockeys or something. I remember a game against (i think) the bears where it looked like he was just playing leap frog for most of the game, it seemed that easy. And then some defender's head about got ripped off while Campbell went on one of his leisurely 5 yard jogs, which turned into a 15 yard hurricane. He was a nightmare - every game. People talk about how his career was cut short. I'm stunned it went so long.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia May 09, 2013 3:16 PM  

If knee surgery and PT back then were as it is today, Earl may have been the greatest back ever.

I would argue that if injuries had not stopped them, Bo Jackson and Earl Campbell may have been the two best.

Earl destroyed lineman, linebackers, and backs. Power and speed.

Anonymous GreyS May 09, 2013 3:24 PM  

Campbell was wonderful to watch. What I loved about him was his lean. Go back and watch him run and you'll see this beautiful lean where he puts the balance just forward enough to get all that mass moving in such a way that whenever he connects with a defensive player most of the force goes the other way, and he would also use it to deflect attackers and with his stiff-arm. Great to watch. Our Natrone Means had a lot of that.

Anonymous RINO May 09, 2013 3:30 PM  

Are most Tebow fans horrible?

Yes.

Anonymous GreyS May 09, 2013 3:38 PM  

"What about IlkFootballTalk?"

Yes. Or even just Ilk Football.

Anonymous WaterBoy May 09, 2013 3:50 PM  

Pigskin In The Azaleas.

Anonymous WaterBoy May 09, 2013 3:53 PM  

Football Chili.

Anonymous Stilicho May 09, 2013 3:54 PM  

good one

Anonymous Stilicho May 09, 2013 3:54 PM  

the first one

Anonymous WaterBoy May 09, 2013 3:57 PM  

Combine them both: Pigskin Chili.

Though that might sound too much like a website for redneck recipes....

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 May 09, 2013 4:00 PM  

Pigskin In The Azaleas

This.
It has to be this.

Anonymous Josh May 09, 2013 4:26 PM  

Count me in for pigskin in the azaleas.

Blogger James Dixon May 09, 2013 4:37 PM  

> We've actually made it to the super bowl, something Houston never did.

You didn't play in the same division as the 70's Steelers.

Anonymous VD May 09, 2013 5:09 PM  

Count me in for pigskin in the azaleas.

Think about it from an outsider's perspective. No one is ever going to even look at a football blog with a name like that. It should be simple and easy to remember. Chalktalk is the best I've heard yet, but it's taken.

Something more akin to:

Redzone (taken)
Endzoners
Points After Touchdowns
etc

Anonymous Stilicho May 09, 2013 5:15 PM  

Point After is good as well.

Pigskin in the Game might work.

Zone Blitz etc.

Anonymous WaterBoy May 09, 2013 5:24 PM  

Aw, hell, there you go thinking all grand and everything...here I thought this was just for the Ilk.

All right, how about:

AllFootballTalk
HomeTurf Blog
Surf The Turf

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 May 09, 2013 5:25 PM  

I also like Points After Touchdown.

Others to kick around:

Between the Hashes
Three Yards and a Cloud of Dust
Go for Two

Anonymous Josh May 09, 2013 5:27 PM  

Footballing
Footballers
Amateur Football Almanac
Cover Zero
Zone Reads

Anonymous WaterBoy May 09, 2013 5:30 PM  

Pigskinny

Anonymous Clay May 09, 2013 5:39 PM  

End Around Talk

Anonymous SDH May 09, 2013 5:42 PM  

DI Football would work.

Although I'd like You Ain't Got No Chili or Pigskin in the Azaleas.

If the content is good, people will find it.

Anonymous MattN May 09, 2013 5:44 PM  

Appalachian State? I must have missed that game. The Clowney hit is a sight to behold but not that impressive of a football play. One of the offensive lineman didn't hear the call and he went completely unblocked. Clowney is potential #1 pick and a beast, Vincent Smith is 5'6 and weighs 175lbs. It's kind of like watching a monster truck crush a car.

Anonymous WaterBoy May 09, 2013 5:49 PM  

Although I'd like You Ain't Got No Chili

HA! Too bad it wasn't started last year -- it could have been Zebras Ain't Got No Chili.

Anonymous WaterBoy May 09, 2013 5:57 PM  

MattN: "Appalachian State? I must have missed that game."

Biggest upset in college football history. The Downfall of Lloyd Carr. That, and he couldn't beat Ohio any more.

Anonymous GreyS May 09, 2013 6:29 PM  

Yards After Catch

No Huddle

Pro Huddle

Anonymous Daniel May 09, 2013 6:37 PM  

Idiot Kicker

Anonymous WaterBoy May 09, 2013 6:42 PM  

LACES OUT!

Anonymous Daniel May 09, 2013 6:47 PM  

Huddle House
The Opposite Team
Violence by Committee
3rd and Ten [Quote subheader from Max McGee, Packers: When it is 3rd & Ten, you take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers.]
Football Tyranny
Pocket Presence
Pressure Situation
Ghost to the Post
Wide Right

Anonymous Brian May 09, 2013 7:05 PM  

Outkicking the Coverage

Anonymous JohnR May 09, 2013 7:45 PM  

Whatever you name decide, "You Ain't Got No Chili" should be the motto of the site.

Anonymous freeloader xyz May 09, 2013 7:58 PM  

Shotgun Formation: Firearms and Football

Blogger Primitive Thinker May 09, 2013 9:12 PM  

Football For Men

Anonymous zen0 May 09, 2013 9:37 PM  

Butkus Dick

Blogger James Dixon May 09, 2013 10:13 PM  

> Biggest upset in college football history

Pretty much, yeah. The equivalent of Chaminade beating the Ralph Sampson lead UVa in basketball. I attribute it all to the mascot, of course. :)

Blogger DJ | AMDG May 10, 2013 1:23 AM  

I'd happily write about the NFC North. I figure Vox would want to play in that sandbox, though. If I could write about just a team, it would have to be the Lions, although I guess I could settle for the Chicago Defense...since that's about it for an NFL team here in Chi-town. If the blog spreads to college, I'd love to write a Catholic Football column sans ND.

DJ|AMDG

Blogger DJ | AMDG May 10, 2013 1:28 AM  

I forgot to mention I have a ton of personal interest in the concussion controversy, as well as the medical studies and legal cases surrounding it. The men in my family are...large...and being that I have two boys and my wife is a pediatrician, we want to make the best decisions for them regarding sports. As a result, my blog name suggestion is The Inside Slant. Sorry if someone already took it. I didn't read all the suggestions, although I did see Ghost in the Post and liked it.

DJ|AMDG

Blogger DJ | AMDG May 10, 2013 1:35 AM  

Apparently, Inside Slant is an ESPN podcast...which I don't listen to. Too bad there's not enough early 90s Madden players left. We could go with the name FB Slant In - B and pretend all of Thurman Thomas' best TDs were runs after catches.

DJ|AMDG

Anonymous GreyS May 10, 2013 2:19 AM  

Sorry, but I'll have to de-commit to doing the NFC West. Upon reflection, I realized what I'd rather do is mostly Charger stuff, and I'm sure there are others who mostly want to do their team-- and I'd guess that the ones who picked a division picked that division because their favorite team resides in it.

The problems with blogging about the division with your team in it should be obvious. Bias can get pretty bad, and you end up just arguing with the hometown teams' fans who know better and/or disagree. I've been involved in something similar in the past and I'm often shocked how little other people know about my teams.

A better way might be to let people have their team and then also be responsible for unclaimed teams. This will spread the divisional load around and in case of vacation etc the division news will stand as is with a little subbing.

So, Person A writes about, say, the Bills, the 49ers, Dolphins, and Jags. They then file the stories they write into the respective divisional blogs.

Not that you'd writing only about your favorite team or be doing blatant homerism, but at least it really keeps your own interest up.

Blogger Bogey May 10, 2013 2:29 AM  

I would certainly support a non-PC, no nonsense site about football as a reader and commenter.

pigskin report
pigskin retort
gridiron talk
daily huddle

Anonymous wcu May 10, 2013 10:44 AM  

Bad eagle, a conservative indian has some interesting things to say about white america and its use of indian names, tribes and weaponry...he believed it was a way that white america honored its indian foe. Good read.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 May 10, 2013 10:51 AM  

@GreyS
You raise a decent point about homerism, but I think once everyone finds their bearings it won't be anywhere near the issue it is on sites like Bleacher Report, because the comments I've read on football posts here have been several levels above the adolescent emotionalism of the average fan-board troller.
Although the Chargers are my team as well, I picked the AFC West primarily for two reasons.
1) I'm deep in Chargers territory, meaning on TV and radio, I see, hear and read news that deals mostly with the teams in that division. It's incredibly easy for me to watch those games, hear news and injury reports on the local radio during my commute, etc.
2) Believe it or not, I don't hate any of the AFC West teams. I grew up in a Raiders household and I've never "hated on" the Broncos or the Chiefs. Herm Edwards, yes, but never the Chiefs.
But if you want the AFC West I'll take the NFC West instead.

Anonymous GreyS May 10, 2013 12:35 PM  

Glad to hear you are a Bolt, H. (I'm a North County boy myself). That puts me at ease, because it would drive me crazy reading nothing but generalized USA Today-like analysis and previews about the Chargers coupled with slanted divisional writing.

In my experience, Charger fans don't really get too much into the hate against other teams compared to most other fans. Sometimes it gets that way about the Raiders, but it's more mockery than anything else-- and so much easier to do so the last several years. That stuff is much much worse in other divisions.

It wasn't really you that got me thinking about the format-- it was the back and forth about Tennessee and Houston and the comments about the Steelers. It will be interesting to see how well everyone handles their respective duties.

Thanks very much for the kind offer to give me the AFC West. With your background it is a very generous offer indeed, and doing so marks you as a true gentleman. That gesture shows that the AFCW is in capable hands already and there is no need for a switch.

Blogger James Dixon May 10, 2013 1:35 PM  

> ...and pretend all of Thurman Thomas' best TDs were runs after catches.

I wonder what percentage were? He was a very good receiver for a running back. And one of the more underrated running backs out there.

Blogger DJ | AMDG May 10, 2013 5:19 PM  

JD,

You make a good point. Mine was a joke about Madden Football 92 (I think) when while playing the Buffalo Bills, you could call a FB Slant In, throw to Thomas in mid-field, and nearly always be guaranteed a TD. The play had near similar effects with the Lions and Barry Sanders. It didn't matter who the D was or how effective the D player was at calling defensive plays. You could even call the pass and still get 40, 50, 60, or more yards. About the only thing the opposing D could do is pull a nickle or dime package, select control the proper safety, and contain the play or try for the interception. With Thomas, it was nearly impossible to get the interception. Less so with Sanders. Actually, if you were playing 2 on 2 and one of the D players focused solely on containment, you could stop the play.

That's how I remember it...

DJ|AMDG

P.S. You're right about Thomas. That Bills team back then was easily the best team never to win a SoopperBoal.

Anonymous The CronoLink May 11, 2013 3:18 AM  

BlitZone

The Fumble Yard

Blogger James Dixon May 11, 2013 8:27 AM  

> That Bills team back then was easily the best team never to win a SoopperBoal.

The Vikings would give you an argument, but otherwise, yes.

Anonymous Dan Crisler May 11, 2013 3:14 PM  

PFT is the worst, especially Mike Florio. Every other post is about Tebow or a gay football player coming out. They don't seem to understand they're sports writers, and not even especially good at that, not social engineers.

Anonymous Peter Garstig May 13, 2013 4:42 AM  

'LayTheWood'

Anonymous GreyS May 13, 2013 4:11 PM  

I realized by my previous comment I may have sent mixed signals-- so to be clear: I will not be helping out. Not enough interest there for me to commit. I'll wish you well and stick with reading and with the comment section.

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