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Monday, May 20, 2013

Don't blame Jenny McCarthy

It's not the unvaccinated causing the increase in the incidence of whooping cough, it's the vaccines:
Whooping cough, or pertussis, has exploded in the United States in recent years. A new study confirms what scientists have suspected for some time: The return of the disease is caused by the introduction of new, safer vaccines 2 decades ago. Although they have far fewer side effects, the new shots don't offer long-lived protection the way older vaccines do....

Researchers have long suspected that new vaccines might have something to do with it. Until the 1990s, children routinely received a so-called whole-cell vaccine, made from pertussis bacteria, Bordetella pertussis, that were killed by exposure to formalin or other chemicals. These vaccines were known to contain a toxin that can provoke powerful side effects. Most vaccinated infants had fever and severe pain at the injection site, sometimes accompanied by febrile seizures or fainting fits in which the infant turned pale, unresponsive, and "floppy." 
Strange that while researchers "have long suspected" the new vaccines, the vaccine advocates writing in the media have constantly pointed at Hollywood actresses and vaccine skeptics.

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Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia May 20, 2013 5:44 PM  

Most vaccinated infants had fever and severe pain at the injection site, sometimes accompanied by febrile seizures or fainting fits in which the infant turned pale, unresponsive, and "floppy."

Some people might get the idea that this is a bad thing...

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben May 20, 2013 5:45 PM  

OT: Vox! Where the books I ordered?! I'm going to have to start reading Wheel of Time if I don't get the books soon!

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia May 20, 2013 5:45 PM  

It does not help that Jenny McCarthy is an annoying skank.

Anonymous tinlaw May 20, 2013 5:52 PM  

Some of my children have pertussis right now. The oldest, who is 19 was fully vaccinated. The younger ones, ages 4, 5 and 7 are not vaccinated at all. They were exposed from cousins who attend a government school that is having an outbreak right now. Nearly all of the children at the school who are ill have been vaccinated. Tell me again why we should risk the dangers of the vaccine?

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 20, 2013 6:00 PM  

Are you sure the increase in this disease is not caused by the massive increase in poor unvaccinated mestizo children swarming across our border and infesting our schools?

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 20, 2013 6:03 PM  

OT, (well not entirely, really) but this is just so damn clever and funny it has to be noted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fonSqHNoWkQ

This guy's pretty damn smart, and pretty damn angry, though he does it very subtly. Swift would be proud.



Anonymous BillB May 20, 2013 6:10 PM  

My parents in their 80s had these diseases. I in my 60s and had most of these diseases. And our immunity has persisted unlike the garbage vaccines. Yes, I took the two different polio vaccines but I dealt with measles, german measles, chicken pox, mumps, scarlet fever, etc.

IMO all this is about the love of money and big pharma using the government to foist unsafe, unproven products and do so getting tons of tax dollars and immunity from negative reactions.

May G-d deal with them.

Blogger ajw308 May 20, 2013 6:12 PM  

Tell me again why we should risk the dangers of the vaccine?
Because Big Pharma has paid to appropriate legislators?
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Anonymous Mr Peabody May 20, 2013 6:18 PM  

...pale, unresponsive, and "floppy".

At least rigor mortise hasn't set in yet.

Anonymous Rantor May 20, 2013 6:21 PM  

I guess I'd prefer the ineffective vaccine in lieu of one that made me "pale, unresponsive and floppy." Mrs Rantor would not see that as a good condition.

My Grandfather was an MD and then I was in the military and so I had all the shots, and then some. No worries about Anthrax... Recently I got the Yellow Fever vaccine and a bunch of others in case I have to go to Africa---although it looks like sequestration will prevent that.

Still no explanation from the medical community as to why no Amish children, who get no shots, have no cases of Autism. Of course some of them have genetic issues, too small a population I guess, but no autism. Riddle me that Batman.

Must go and mow the lawn.

Anonymous Dc May 20, 2013 6:38 PM  

"Whole-cell vaccines, still the standard of care in many lower-income countries, provide more lasting immunity in part because they consist of many more antigens—the proteins that trigger the immune system—than acellular vaccines, current versions of which contain three to five antigens, says James Cherry, a pediatrician at the University of California, Los Angeles. There is also some evidence, he adds, that pertussis strains have mutated in response to vaccination campaigns, rendering antibodies less effective."

How much ya wanna guess the old vaccines are cheaper and therefore aren't as profitable and the "new and improved" versions? So much for your futuristic sexy shiny utopia leftards.

On a side note you would be surprised as to the types of prescription drugs you can buy and the savings to be had if you just shop around online.

Anonymous A Concerned Liberal May 20, 2013 6:41 PM  

Are you sure the increase in this disease is not caused by the massive increase in poor unvaccinated mestizo children swarming across our border and infesting our schools?

So you're saying we should be providing more foreign aid to Mexico?

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 20, 2013 7:01 PM  

"So you're saying we should be providing more foreign aid to Mexico?"

How does that follow? When did the US collectively become responsible for the children of Mexico? Isn't that what Mexicans are for?

You call yourself "A Concerned Liberal". What are you concerned about? What are you liberal with? If you're concerned about the children of Mexico, why don't you volunteer to go down there yourself and work in a rural clinic for free or something? If you're "liberal," why don't you start by being liberal with your own money, and donate it liberally to poor mestizo children? Why don't you stop trying to always be liberal with other people's money, which is not yours to be liberal with, or other people's children's welfare, or the collective destiny of this country, which belongs to all Americans, and is not your personal mite-box to give out to the Third World to make yourself feel all mushy and toasty-warm inside.

Anonymous Nah May 20, 2013 7:20 PM  

Are you sure the increase in this disease is not caused by the massive increase in poor unvaccinated mestizo children swarming across our border and infesting our schools?

Apparently they are using a better form of vaccine than we do and have a high level of vaccination.

http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/vaccines/Ulloa-GutierrezHV6-11.pdf

"The capacity of Latin American countries to conduct vaccination programs is high and there is considerable government support. Whole-cell pertussis vaccines are used across Latin America, which appear to be quite effective. A 4-dose schedule is typically used (2, 4, 6 and 18 months) and a booster given at 4 to 6 years of age, with coverage often above 90%."

Anonymous realmatt May 20, 2013 7:30 PM  

tinlaw: Tell me again why we should risk the dangers of the vaccine?

To protect the other children who have been vaccinated with a vaccine that protects them from children who haven't been vaccinated because the unvaccinated children are a danger to the children who have been vaccinated..or something like that.

Anonymous bw May 20, 2013 7:39 PM  

because the unvaccinated children are a danger to the children who have been vaccinated..or something like that

This is always a key psych/training aspect. They have to actually be claiming that the all important meds do not actaully work, or might not. Perfect.

IT'S REALLY HARD TIMES FOR THE TRUEbELIEVERS AND COINCIDENCE THEORISTS, who are still denying the reality that their entire world view has been completely manipulated. They've been lied to and they believe the lies, and the "bad guys" are the very one's they've lifted up as the saviors. Good times.

Que the folks whose children are f*%ked up - but it wasn't the vaccines and I didn't do it to them! - in 3...2...1...

Anonymous Alexander May 20, 2013 7:44 PM  

Heh, full circle. McCarthyism no longer refers to the attacker, it refers to the scapegoat.

Anonymous Vidad May 20, 2013 8:48 PM  

"Starting an Adult/Porn 3D Virtual Reality company, need donations"

And, as if on cue, a vaccine-damaged commenter shows up.

Anonymous The other skeptic May 20, 2013 8:59 PM  

Background checks for tornado purchases up next.

Anonymous FP May 20, 2013 9:03 PM  

"To protect the other children who have been vaccinated with a vaccine that protects them from children who haven't been vaccinated because the unvaccinated children are a danger to the children who have been vaccinated..or something like that."

Can I get a flowchart or powerpoint presentation on that please?

Anonymous Jack Amok May 20, 2013 9:16 PM  

Tell me again why we should risk the dangers of the vaccine?

To protect the other children who have been vaccinated with a vaccine that protects them from...


Well, see, it's to protect the vaccine advocates from the uncomfortable position of explaining why the unvaccinated kids aren't getting the disease at any greater rate than the ones who've had their vaccine, and most especially to avoid explaining why the unvaccinated kids don't have the host of other issues the vaccinated kids do.

So yes, it is very important...

Anonymous tinlaw May 20, 2013 9:35 PM  

The whole cell vaccine is no longer used in the U.S. because it was causing too much brain damage in children and the vaccine damage fund was paying out too many millions of dollars. Those 3rd worlders can't get money from the vaccine compensation fund, so giving brain damage to their children is no problem.

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Anonymous hausfrau May 20, 2013 10:01 PM  

It isn't surprising in the least that physicians groups have know about adverse side affects the whole time. http://theworldlink.com/news/local/article_44a9c0e7-a115-553a-ae72-761f567f02f4.html
The Oregon Pediatric Society opposes presenting parents with the package insert for Hep B vaccinations because ignorant, helpless parents might get the wrong idea and not vaccinate their newborns against a disease spread primarily though promiscuous sex and illicit drug use.
..."The Oregon Pediatrics Society opposes the bill, and plans to testify against the bill Wednesday....She said the evidence connecting hepatitis vaccination with strokes in infants was slim, and that the requirement in the bill might frighten or confuse parents."
SO much for informed consent.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat May 20, 2013 10:21 PM  

I don't know why I posted to Slashdot about this one; I must be brain damaged from vaccines... :)

The local health department was (from what I could tell) actively hiding how bad pertussis was in Lexington last year. Little Miss fought off a cough for weeks, until Milady finally took her to her allergist in desperation. "You have whooping cough; you sound just like I did last week". When I caught it, the nurse contaminated the swab because she didn't know how to do the swab. Milady's doctor at UK had basically been told not to test.

Of course, then I committed the cardinal sin for Slashdot: I told them that I wouldn't dare give Little Miss the HPV vaccines, because she could avoid the virus through behavior, but the vaccine was dangerous. People were quoting Arkansas and "people can't wait" within 5 minutes....

Blogger mmaier2112 May 20, 2013 10:22 PM  

Hausfrau: it's things like that make a person think some folks really need killing.

Anonymous bethyada May 20, 2013 11:00 PM  

It seems that vaccines are not causing the outbreak, rather that inferior vaccines are not preventing an outbreak (though this is not surprising). Note that the inferior vaccine was developed in response to complaints about (real) side-effects to the whole cell vaccine.

One cannot look at numbers of people who get the disease who have been vaccinated, one must look at rates. Unvaccinated have higher rates of disease compared to vaccinated people. This is saying the (accellular) vaccinated people have higher rates than (cellular) vaccinated people. They do not give unvaccinated rates.

Pertussis is a horrible disease and the problems with making an effective but assymptomatic vaccine have been long known.

Blogger Jehu May 20, 2013 11:02 PM  

Most of the benefit of your average vaccine doesn't go to the recipient, but all of the risk of it (obviously) does. This is because very few vaccines give anything like 100% protection. Instead, to use the language of old-school tabletop wargames, they give the recipient a better 'saving throw' for the illness in question with the idea that if a high enough fraction of the susceptible population has a good enough aggregate 'save', outbreaks will be self-limiting and fizzle out like a subcritical nuclear reaction.
To walk a proposal like that requires that the population trust you an awful lot. I for one don't cotton to the notion of utilitarianism---I won't sacrifice the interests of my children for the benefit of others because my duty to them trumps such concerns. Or, you could lie, which is what the public health apparatus does. They imply very strongly that the protection is perfect or nearly so (lie number 1). They lie about the risks, implying that they're very safe and never mention anything like how many children received adverse effects and CERTAINLY not even how many lawsuits were paid off (lie number 2). And they never even hint that most of the benefit of said injection is going to people other than your child or even his extended family.

To get the kind of trust for people to buy in without bullshit, public health would have to stand very strongly against illegal immigration, foursquare for border control enforced with bullets first (which after all, WOULD pass the utilitarian calculus they'd have to convince us that they really believed in), and old-school quarantines for things like AIDS, resistant TB, and resistant clap. But you notice they never do that, don't you?

Anonymous bethyada May 20, 2013 11:03 PM  

Of more interest may be this article that claims that 'flu vaccines are less effective than claimed (due to healthy user bias): Influenza: marketing vaccine by marketing disease.

"Closer examination of influenza vaccine policies shows that although proponents employ the rhetoric of science, the studies underlying the policy are often of low quality, and do not substantiate officials’ claims. The vaccine might be less beneficial and less safe than has been claimed, and the threat of influenza appears overstated."

And this

Risk of narcolepsy in children and young people receiving AS03 adjuvanted pandemic A/H1N1 2009 influenza vaccine: retrospective analysis.

"Conclusion: The increased risk of narcolepsy after vaccination with ASO3 adjuvanted pandemic A/H1N1 2009 vaccine indicates a causal association, consistent with findings from Finland. Because of variable delay in diagnosis, however, the risk might be overestimated by more rapid referral of vaccinated children."

Anonymous tinlaw May 20, 2013 11:07 PM  

Pertussis CAN be a horrible disease, but for most of the people who get it, it isn't. Most don't even know that's what they have. Here in Oregon, when my sister-in-law took her daughter to the doctor, he didn't even want to test for it. They don't want to know how common it is. She demanded a test and it came back positive for pertussis. My older child who has it was vaccinated, fully, with the whole cell vaccine. If that vaccine is more effective than the new vaccine... it's a scam, people. The emperor has no clothes.

Anonymous E. PERLINE May 20, 2013 11:30 PM  

Making the right decision about vaccines is serious. Making the right decision about abortion is serious. Making the right decision about gay marriage is serious. Making the right desision about undocumented immigration is serious.

But the over-riding issue of our times is how we can free our enterpreneurs. I don't think the public is aware of what the middle class is capable of. All it needs is freedom from abusive taxes and the straight jacket of regulation.

Blogger Doom May 20, 2013 11:49 PM  

Well, yes and no. The other part of the equation is the flood of diseased people coming across the borders with nary a medical check or vaccine in sight for them, here or where they came from. Disease is going to explode, if it hasn't and is just being hidden.

Can't trust any, and I mean any, numbers from the government, the media, or any of the old school guards. They are all in on pulling as many third-worlders in as they can pull in. Their political base is committing suicide. Fuckers can't, and won't when they can, breed!

Blogger Doom May 20, 2013 11:50 PM  

Yes, and that includes the Republican party. So hush it those who say different. It's just some of us "yahoos" who are screaming bloody murder.

Anonymous Carlotta May 21, 2013 12:19 AM  

I have it on good authority pounded raw garlic in raw honey works wonders on this. So does an easy raw onion in raw honey cough syrup. Followed by gulps of 1 cup leamon juice, 1 cup raw apple cider vinegar, 1 cup real maple syrup mixed with about a gallon of water. Cayenne, ginger and tumeric added in. Very important. So I have heard.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 21, 2013 12:26 AM  

Some vaccines have excellent risk-reward trade-offs, and some others probably would have better trade-offs if they weren't given bundled with several others in a huge assault upon a very young infant.

But of course, how could a bunch of rubes be expected to make those sorts of decisions. Better to leave the decision making to the experts, especially when those experts have such a fabulous track record.

Well, okay, maybe it's not exactly these experts who have such a great track record, but the previous experts, the ones the current experts dismiss and ignore, those experts had a pretty good track record, so we should trust the people who have infiltrated their profession, right?

Anonymous mestizohomeremedies.com May 21, 2013 12:55 AM  

1 cup leamon juice, 1 cup raw apple cider vinegar, 1 cup real maple syrup mixed with about a gallon of water. Cayenne, ginger and tumeric added in.

In Mexico we add the juice from one thermometer and sun-dried armadillo fetus.

Blogger IM2L844 May 21, 2013 1:00 AM  

I have it on good authority pounded raw garlic in raw honey works wonders on this. So does an easy raw onion in raw honey cough syrup. Followed by gulps of 1 cup leamon juice, 1 cup raw apple cider vinegar, 1 cup real maple syrup mixed with about a gallon of water. Cayenne, ginger and tumeric added in. Very important. So I have heard.

With very little tweaking (no water), that would make a great glaze for baked ham.

Blogger IM2L844 May 21, 2013 1:21 AM  

Background checks for tornado purchases up next.

I can't remember who was trying to tell me a few months ago that devastating and unexpected catastrophic events couldn't be predicted. There are a bunch of dead people that didn't expect to be dead people today, yet I predicted this exact scenario would happen in that area of the country and within this time frame.

Anonymous dh May 21, 2013 1:30 AM  

Well, okay, maybe it's not exactly these experts who have such a great track record, but the previous experts, the ones the current experts dismiss and ignore, those experts had a pretty good track record, so we should trust the people who have infiltrated their profession, right?

The problem with the snark is that, from a raw numbers perspective, given that MPAI, it probably is better to select a few people with above average credentials (boo) and intelligence, and have them make decisions. It is better than the mean.

Of course, there are a LOT of people to the right of the curve that will be able to do better than the slightly above average idiot. That's why numbers are not that useful in this discussion. We ALL believe we are on the good side of the bell curve.

Anonymous TGR White May 21, 2013 2:04 AM  

""Starting an Adult/Porn 3D Virtual Reality company, need donations"

And, as if on cue, a vaccine-damaged commenter shows up."

I've seen this guy spamming other blogs. I wonder if he even looks at the sites he spams.

I wonder how much VR porn/sex bots will hasten the decline of civilization?

Anonymous Jack Amok May 21, 2013 2:11 AM  

given that MPAI, it probably is better to select a few people with above average credentials (boo) and intelligence, and have them make decisions. It is better than the mean.

The problem with your solution however, is the selection process. Given that the majority of people calling the shots these days seem to be either fucking morons, shameless grifters, semi-psychotic bullies, or some combination of the three, we are most certainly not getting better than the mean.

Look, this is a case where linear thinking works perfectly well to understand the problem. You want to force everyone to go with the solution that the MP in MPAI decide on, and disallow anyone choosing a different solution. That means everyone is forced to go with the Idiot solution. Not only that, but no better solution is allowed, so the fraction of people who aren't smart enough to come up with a good solution themselves but are smart enough to recognize someone else's good solution have no good solutions to emulate.

Why do you think that is a good idea?

Anonymous Jack Amok May 21, 2013 2:28 AM  

Besides, dh, you missed the real point of my argument. These experts, the ones we have today, are not those experts, the ones who actually made progress and improved our chances against disease. Our current experts have repudiated a good deal of the methodology and value system of the previous experts. But they want to claim the authority and respect due to the earlier pioneers, and perhaps more importantly, only the successful pioneers, even when their own tactics are closer to the unsuccessful ones.

Like all Leftists, they want to bask in the reflected glow of someone else's success, and claim it for their own.

Anonymous Peter Garstig May 21, 2013 6:22 AM  

We ALL believe we are on the good side of the bell curve.

This does not matter at all if you understand liberty. Because it's you that has to live with the consequences of your choice. The bell curve will laugh at you, no matter which side of it you think you are.

Liberty stops when you are forced to comply to something chosen by someone else. The key word being 'forced'.

Anonymous RedJack May 21, 2013 6:48 AM  

That fits what happened here in Iowa last year.

All the vaccineated kids got sick.

Anonymous Carlotta May 21, 2013 8:44 AM  


With very little tweaking (no water), that would make a great glaze for baked ham.


I am all about multi-tasking my friend ;) Although Grandma made the most amazing ham by simply pouring really good quality root beer all over it and slow roasting.

Anonymous Carlotta May 21, 2013 8:46 AM  

In Mexico we add the juice from one thermometer and sun-dried armadillo fetus.


Armadillos carry leprosy. I don't eat them.

Anonymous Peter Griffith May 21, 2013 9:48 PM  

The only thing Jenny McCarthy is good for is a cum dumpster.


"Are you sure the increase in this disease is not caused by the massive increase in poor unvaccinated mestizo children swarming across our border and infesting our schools?"

No, it is NOT the result of "brownies", fuckface.

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