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Wednesday, May 22, 2013

Homeschool or Die vol. XXXLVI

I can't help but notice the difference between the way fatalities are treated depending upon whether the children killed are being educated at home or at public school.  If seven children were killed by a demented homeschool mother, this would spark a national media outcry and demands for more restrictions on homeschooling.

And yet, in the past four months, we have seen multiple incidences of multiple fatalities due to acts of Man and Nature, but the thought that perhaps it is not wise to congregate large numbers of vulnerable children together never seems to enter the national discourse.

According to Wikipedia, there have been 278 tornado-related deaths at school since 1885.  That is nearly 2.2 deaths per year, which is a trivial percentage of the 48 million or so children attending the public schools.  And yet, they are entirely avoidable deaths; under the oft-cited "if just one life can be saved" metric, it cannot be denied that children who are not forced to congregate en masse at school cannot be killed by tornadoes there.

Two tornado-inflicted deaths per year isn't much, but add to them the 26 schoolbus deaths per year, the 600 school-automotive deaths per year, and the 34 violence-related deaths, and it soon becomes readily apparent that school cannot reasonably be considered a safe place for children.

Forget the superior education received by homeschooled children.  Doesn't saving the lives of more than 662 children every year make banning school a moral imperative?

Especially in light of the fact that 119 children under the age of twelve, (and 565 under the age of 18), were killed by guns.  School is literally more lethally dangerous than guns; something you might want to remind your average pro-public school, pro-gun control left-liberal.

Guns secure freedom at a lower cost in children's lives than the public schools manage to deliver inferior educations. We don't need gun control, we need school control.

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Anonymous Toby Temple May 22, 2013 7:02 AM  

Because it is against the Socialist Imperative, under section Children's Rights, subcategory Right to be in School:

- Children must be in school because it is their right to be there.
- Children must not be home schooled because it violates their right to be in school.

Anonymous Clay May 22, 2013 7:09 AM  

I thought it was rather strange that 7 children were supposedly drownded in the basement of that school in Oklahoma City.

Blogger IM2L844 May 22, 2013 7:12 AM  

Where are the children going to learn how to become proper little rabbits if not in the government sanctioned warren factories?

Blogger tz May 22, 2013 7:17 AM  

But how are they going to be socialized? They will never learn to put a condom on a cucumber, or to C that B - for boy or bad - is dissonant whth G - for girl or good? And the grammatical atrocities as well as being incapable in math?

Blogger tz May 22, 2013 7:18 AM  

Oops, B, Boy, bad is dissonant while G, Girl, good is consonant in music class (I should wait till I'm at my desk).

Anonymous MendoScot May 22, 2013 7:20 AM  

XXXLVI?

Anonymous bw May 22, 2013 7:27 AM  

It would cost money to build safe rooms in schools in tornado alley.
That would be money that the Admin and teachers/Unions would not be getting. Can't have that.
The Prussian mandate must go on. For The Children.
Handing children over to these sociopaths is insanity.
God bless J Gatto.

Anonymous Gapeseed May 22, 2013 7:43 AM  

I am not sure that I buy Vox's reasoning here. While homeschooling is no doubt a good thing, are you not increasing the possible number of injurious episodes to children by dispersing the little critters to their homeschools, even if by doing so you are decreasing the likelihood of mass casualties in such incidents?

Blogger njartist May 22, 2013 7:56 AM  

And then there is this article on John Dewey's identifying with the Soviet paradise. As one reads, the real meaning behind the phrase, "socializing the child" becomes apparent.

Anonymous Cail Corishev May 22, 2013 8:04 AM  

I'm sure Vox is aware that millions more kids at home would increase the number deaths there. He's not claiming that homeschooling is perfectly safe.

The point is that no one ever even raises the question. School is just assumed to be a societal good and necessity, and the costs are never counted. If a dozen kids were killed in a video arcade (do those still exist?), we'd have a national conversation about the evils of video games and how maybe we should shut down arcades. But when a bunch of kids are killed in a school, no one says, "Hey, maybe storing hundreds of kids in a concrete box all day isn't the best idea we ever had." (Some parents think it, which is why homeschooling is on the rise, but it never enters the public conversation.)

The only thing we're allowed to discuss about schools is how to make them safer and how much more money we should give them.

Anonymous George Pal May 22, 2013 8:07 AM  

Not only would the children be safer from violence, being home schooled, but spared the pansexual assaults, physical and psychic. And spared 'gay' or 'muzzie' for day teaching moments. Put an end to public schooling – do it for the children.

Anonymous Tacitus May 22, 2013 8:11 AM  

I'm sorry, but this argument is ridiculous. Public school is bad because it requires kids to gather in groups where more of them will be killed by tornadoes and gunmen than if they were dispersed? This isn't an argument against public school but against any activity requiring children to meet in groups, including private school, church, and soccer. If we had data on how many children were killed in groups at these other places, the same argument would conclude that these associations are bad because they increase the number of casualties when disaster strikes.

Anonymous wcu May 22, 2013 8:15 AM  

Just like that woah-man on msnbc sez...we hate publik schools because we never, ever, ever give enough $$$...and the kids we have are not ours ...they belong to everyone else...isn't that more sensible and caring and compassionate?!...stop hatin kidz vox. Pay dem scroolz more...stop being old school and let the collective raze dem kids!

Blogger Tank May 22, 2013 8:26 AM  

Even as someone who has no respect for public schools, this argument is weak tea.

Was this a test to see if the ilk are all just followers?

Anonymous wcu May 22, 2013 8:27 AM  

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Blogger IM2L844 May 22, 2013 8:30 AM  

Speaking of the tornado, it was kind of nice to hear, on live television, Brian Williams and Harry Smith admit that Christian organization's and in particular Baptist men's response to the disaster was far superior to the federal government's. And it's also interesting to note that if you re-watch the video from the broadcast, that part has since been edited out.

Anonymous dh May 22, 2013 8:32 AM  

Forget the superior education received by homeschooled children. Doesn't saving the lives of more than 662 children every year make banning school a moral imperative?

No, I don't think so. 662 children is a small number unless it happens to be one your own.

Blogger Christina May 22, 2013 8:49 AM  

This isn't an argument against public school but against any activity requiring children to meet in groups, including private school, church, and soccer.

Public (Elementary) School is about 1-2 adults per 20 children with maybe a couple outliers there to account for administration, janitorial, and specialized staff (librarians, art teachers, etc). And these adults are typically and predictably un-armed.

Where Private School should get the same scrutiny as it follows a similar structural model (though probably with a lower adult to child ratio) and probably just as predictably un-armed, your other examples don't fit.

Church - A large group of people (adults as well as children) with a ratio of adult to children similar to that as a household. Because children typically go to church with mom & dad. On top of that, you don't have the same restrictions on concealed weapons in a church as you do in a school. Large group of people, certainly - but not nearly so predictable in lack of defense.

Soccer, same deal - but also, its not restricted. People can run away. And its probably much more likely that the parent that left their gun at home on the trip to church would have it at a soccer game.

I am under the impression that schools are targeted for the predictable large numbers and predictable lack of security. Churches and Soccer games just don't give you that. I believe previous data given on number of mass shootings occurring in gun-free zones would support that assumption.

Anonymous Sigyn May 22, 2013 8:51 AM  

662 children is a small number unless it happens to be one your own.

But that doesn't even count the kids who are molested, injured by violence or in accidents, or bullied. Why do you hate children, dh? Why?

We must act now, FORRRRRR THE CHILLLLLLLLDREN!

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 22, 2013 9:04 AM  

Should the schools in "tornado alley" not be built with slanted exterior walls, with slide down doors over the windows and entryways?

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 22, 2013 9:04 AM  

I was an acquaintance of the Yates. My son played t-ball with, I think it was, Noah. Sad enough about Oklahoma, combine it with the remembrance of an event I am still sensitive about, I am definitely sad. I cannot remember all the Yates children names anymore ... I am sad.

Blogger JartStar May 22, 2013 9:07 AM  

Vox,

Can you name three ways you believe your life would currently be better if you had been home-schooled?

Blogger IM2L844 May 22, 2013 9:07 AM  

Was this a test to see if the ilk are all just followers?

One of Vox's hobbies is constructing rabbit traps that probe squishy principles. Draw them in, hand them plenty of rope then watch the festivities.

Anonymous Outlaw X May 22, 2013 9:15 AM  

Someone asked my brother. How can they be socialized, and his answer was, that is what we are trying to prevent. Duhhhh? I never took the tornado effect into account

Blogger James Dixon May 22, 2013 9:24 AM  

> This isn't an argument against public school but against any activity requiring children to meet in groups...

Large groups.

> ...including private school,

What part of home school or die did you miss.

> ...church, and soccer

You must really attend large churches and soccer games.

> ...this argument is weak tea.

Duh. The "if it saves one life" argument didn't originate with Vox.

> ...662 children is a small number...

So is 20, but yet Sandy Hook is grounds for repealing the second amendment. But then, consistency is not a trademark of most liberals. You tend to be an exception, dh.

Anonymous Godfrey May 22, 2013 9:25 AM  

Vox, you know better. The government run labotomy centers don't exist for reasons of safety or education.

Anonymous RINO May 22, 2013 9:38 AM  

I'm sorry, but this argument is ridiculous.

I think the point was to poke liberals with their own lines of thought. They base their gun and vaccine policies, for example, on even fewer child deaths.

Anonymous Josh May 22, 2013 9:41 AM  

Obviously we need mandatory background checks and waiting periods for tornadoes.

Anonymous Toby Temple May 22, 2013 9:51 AM  

Silence, you turds!

God wanted them dead!

Wasn't that right, Mr. Piper?

Blogger JartStar May 22, 2013 9:57 AM  

An interesting comparison will be at home pool drownings vs. public school deaths for school age kids.

Anonymous Outlaw X May 22, 2013 10:07 AM  

An interesting comparison will be at home pool drownings vs. public school deaths for school age kids.

I don't think drownings has much to do with school age children deaths. But we could pretend. I would more readily trust my child with a priest than a school teacher, but it does not make the news does it?.

People are not idiots they are morons.

Blogger JartStar May 22, 2013 10:23 AM  

Outlaw X

Drowning is the second leading cause of accidental injury-related death among children ages 1 to 14. (CDC 2005) For kids 1-4 most drownings happen at home, in a home pool, and of all preschoolers who drown, 70 percent are in the care of one or both parents at the time of the drowning.

But the numbers here really don't matter as this entire post is rhetorical in nature and designed to illicit an emotional response in people who are unmoved by facts and figures.

Anonymous Daniel May 22, 2013 10:30 AM  

Massing and segmenting children for their entire childhood and young adulthood is very deep social engineering, and yes, is dangerous.

From the minor infestations (lice, communicable disease) to the increased likelihood of mass death, injury and trauma; from the false economy of sexual and social currency demanded by one that equalizes ranks based on age to the measurably awful "learnin'" that actually occurs; from the hours per day wasted in transitional activity (standing in line, waiting for other students to cotton, mob activity, inefficient service times) to the hours at night wasted on "home"work that couldn't be completed in the educational environment due to other things of greater urgency; from disciplinary and diversity-based violence and conflict to one-size fits all religious indoctrination; the 19th century factory mob school is a critical engine of the centralized economy...but it isn't a very good place to raise children.

Blogger IM2L844 May 22, 2013 10:38 AM  

For kids 1-4 most drownings happen at home, in a home pool

Source please.

Anonymous Outlaw X May 22, 2013 10:44 AM  

Damn I am sorry I thought it was 3rd graders who drown the most in tornadoes? Of course public schools figure for all those things such as run off. Yet my brother has already figured this out with an underground concrete cellar.

As to my recent work place there tornado safety was to put every one in the hall. When we had drills I went to the CAD room and they couldn't find me and I told their safety officer afterwards there were windows at both ends of the hall and asked him if he knew what the Venturi effect was?

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia May 22, 2013 10:44 AM  

IM2L844: For kids 1-4 most drownings happen at home, in a home pool

Source please.



Jartstar;
Drowning is the second leading cause of accidental injury-related death among children ages 1 to 14.


(CDC 2005)

(CDC 2005)

Blogger IM2L844 May 22, 2013 10:51 AM  

(CDC 2005)

I read the report and that's not what it says.

Anonymous Outlaw X May 22, 2013 10:57 AM  

I don't have kids and don't have a pool, neither do my brothers. So it amounts to nothing, they are more likely to drown in a five gallon bucket of water if they kept five gallon buckets of water just lying around. I say Vox is more accurate. And none of them take a bath, they take showers. So they are more likely to drown in tornadoes at school or be hit in the head with flying debris.

On a more serious note please put football or motorcycle helmets on the kids in a tornado.

Anonymous Sigyn May 22, 2013 11:01 AM  

We need swimming-pool control NOW! It's FOOOOORRRRR THE CHILLLLLLLDREEEEENN!

Anonymous Sigyn May 22, 2013 11:02 AM  

So it amounts to nothing, they are more likely to drown in a five gallon bucket of water if they kept five gallon buckets of water just lying around.

Bucket control NOW!

Anonymous SixtusVIth May 22, 2013 11:04 AM  

Folks, Vox is clearly parodying the rhetoric of gun controllers.

Anonymous VryeDenker May 22, 2013 11:05 AM  

For kids 1-4 most drownings happen at home, in a home pool

Well, yes. If you spend 100 days out of the year in your own swimming pool, and 5 in a public pool or the ocean, the odds are stacked 20:1 in favour of dying at home, whether you are a toddler or an adult.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia May 22, 2013 11:07 AM  

IM2L844:
I read the report and that's not what it says.

OK, just thought you missed his cite.

Anonymous Lana May 22, 2013 11:15 AM  

Not completely off topic, a secret panel of government officials is attempting to block release of records from the Newtown Massacre:

http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-newtown-foi-0522-20130521,0,2316671.story

"The staffs of the state's top prosecutor and the governor's office have been working in secret with General Assembly leaders on legislation to withhold records related to the police investigation into the Dec. 14 Newtown elementary school massacre — including victims' photos, tapes of 911 calls, and possibly more."

Anonymous Gecko May 22, 2013 11:38 AM  

Some of you really need to resist the urge to reveal Vox's hand so quickly. I was hoping to watch the rabbits play with the rope for a while, and now you've gone and spoiled all the fun. I want to see another PZ-style hanging, dangit!

Anonymous ThirdMonkey May 22, 2013 11:43 AM  

This hits close to home. Literally. My children attend Veritas Classical in south Oklahoma City, which is a blended model of homeschool 3x/week and classroom instruction 2x/week. Many of my childrens' schoolmates live in Moore, and the tornado struck on a "homeschool" day. The Grammar School's gym teacher rode out the storm in an interior closet with his wife and children. The only thing left standing is the closet that they were in. Everyone from our "school" is safe and accounted for, primarily because their mothers and fathers protected them. Vox, you're assessment is absolutely right. No one does a better job of educating AND protecting their children than a father and mother. Why didn't these schools have below-ground tornado shelters? Because it costs $$, and it might cut into someone's HR salary. The last two days have clearly demonstrated the strength, heroism, and fortitude of ordinary people. It has also demonstrated some of the ineptitude of some of the various government agencies.

If any of the Ilk wish to help, the best way is through Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma Disaster Relief, or the Salvation Army. These two organizations had boots on the ground before anybody else, including most of the government agencies.

Keep your kids' mind, soul, and body safe. Homeschool or Die.

Anonymous Vidad May 22, 2013 12:00 PM  

Toby Temple: " May 22, 2013 9:51 AM

Silence, you turds!

God wanted them dead!

Wasn't that right, Mr. Piper?"

Who's to say? God does whatever He wants.

Blogger JartStar May 22, 2013 12:11 PM  

Well, yes. If you spend 100 days out of the year in your own swimming pool, and 5 in a public pool or the ocean, the odds are stacked 20:1 in favour of dying at home, whether you are a toddler or an adult

Exactly, which is why ultimately the actual numbers scarcely matter in arguments like this. They are a vague reference which grants an air of pseudo-analysis to a previously reached conclusion. Whether it is gun control or public schools the lines are already drawn and the other side is bad! bad! BAD!

I would actually like to know how Vox thinks he could have turned out better had he been home-schooled.

Anonymous VryeDenker May 22, 2013 12:14 PM  

Mind you, on the gun-control thing: we had a boy go ape-shit a few years ago and kill his classmates with a Katana. Nature will find a way.

Anonymous DT May 22, 2013 12:22 PM  

We need swimming-pool control NOW! It's FOOOOORRRRR THE CHILLLLLLLDREEEEENN!

* 90 day waiting period before building a pool.
* 14 day waiting period before visiting a public pool.
* We need to close the loophole on the pools of friends and relatives and require licensing for everyone who uses them.
* Who needs a pool deeper then 2ft? These are "assault pools" and should be banned.

But don't worry, we're not trying to confiscate your pools or fill them with concrete. We respect the right of all Americans to swim in a pool. These are common sense precautions for the protection of the children. And if you oppose them, I have to ask: why do you hate children? Why?

Anonymous Josh May 22, 2013 12:36 PM  

I thought assault pool was a pool that didn't use chlorine...

Blogger JartStar May 22, 2013 12:40 PM  

Ban pools now!

Anonymous Outlaw X May 22, 2013 12:49 PM  

My neighbor has a pool, I am calling the FBI for him having a (WMD). A (weapon of mass drowning.) No, I am calling homeland security under "see something say something". I think he may have guns too. But I don't know, but a pool is probable cause. We need door kickers now!

Blogger James Dixon May 22, 2013 1:27 PM  

> I was hoping to watch the rabbits play with the rope for a while, and now you've gone and spoiled all the fun...

What makes you think they'll bother to read the comments before posting?

Anonymous Sigyn May 22, 2013 1:52 PM  

I thought assault pool was a pool that didn't use chlorine...

No, assault pools use seawater.

*ba-dum PSSSSH*

Anonymous sprach von Teufelhunden May 22, 2013 2:00 PM  

The price for those abridging the 2nd Amendment?

DEATH!

It is treason. Plain and simple. Tell that to your "rabbit friends." Watch with glee, for various Britney Spears iterations...

JB Campbell with Mike Harris (5/20/13)

Blogger Res Ipsa May 22, 2013 2:07 PM  

Vox,

Well Done!

Blogger Good Will May 22, 2013 2:59 PM  

On the other hand, my one-year-old nearly drowned this morning at home. The five-year-old and three-year-old were content to see him wade into the pool...and struggle to swim in vain. They were oblivious to what was happening.

My wife, momentarily distracted by an appliance delivery, went to find Nate in the backyard. He was under water, suspended as it were, between heaven and earth. (My wife is nine-months pregnant.) I heard her screaming "Nate's in the pool! Nate's in the pool!" and I knew our worst fears were realized. I heard her crash into the water as I ran down the stairs.

Remarkably, he wasn't even coughing when she brought him up (despite her pounding on his back!). He was fine. "Delivered" in the nick of time. (A merciful God determined that our next "delivery" would be joyous, not sorrowful.)

I think Vox will have to adjust his figures a little. Having all those children at home will lead to more than a few deaths, as well.

Anonymous Gecko May 22, 2013 3:18 PM  

What makes you think they'll bother to read the comments before posting?

Nothing. Point.

I was just hoping the ilk would play with them a little more before pouncing. Hasenpfeffer seems much more appealing when tenderized.

Also, I second JartStar's homeschooling question to Vox. I've often meditated on it myself. Would like to see where that discussion goes.

Anonymous Vidad May 22, 2013 3:23 PM  

@Good Will

That's scary as anything. I praise God that Nate was okay.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 22, 2013 4:05 PM  

Pools do not kill children, dihydrogen monoxide does. Ban dihydrogen monoxide NOW!

he he he he even snopes has something:
http://www.snopes.com/science/dhmo.asp

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 22, 2013 4:07 PM  

Pools that use chlorine are worse, they are a chemical weapon. pool owners wthat chlorinate are "terrists."

Anonymous Towler May 23, 2013 2:04 AM  

"And yet, in the past four months, we have seen multiple incidences of multiple fatalities due to acts of Man and Nature, but the thought that perhaps it is not wise to congregate large numbers of vulnerable children together never seems to enter the national discourse."

Yes, so let's call for a ban on children at sporting events and in parks too.

My god....what an idiot your are! Use your head, son.

Anonymous Toby Temple May 23, 2013 2:35 AM  

Towler,

YOU AIN"T GOT NO CHILLI!!!

Vidad said... Who's to say?

Calvinists. Duh!

Anonymous Luke May 23, 2013 5:14 PM  

Extremely relevant previous excellent column of Vox's:
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2011/05/homeschool-or-die-vol-7.html#comment-form

Wednesday, May 25, 2011
Homeschool or die vol. 7

If any other activity was this directly connected to increasing the teen mortality rate, it would be illegal:"

Every two hours, a teenager in America takes his or her own life. Suicide is the third leading cause of death among youth, and the rate of teen suicide has roughly tripled since 1960.... Scientists have identified many contributing factors: Discrimination, the number of sexual partners, substance abuse, being dumped by a romantic partner, parental divorce, child physical and sexual abuse, bullying and even excessive video-gaming play a role. Scholars at the University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center have offered a novel contributing factor to teen suicide: high school.

In a careful and persuasive paper released last fall called "Back to School Blues: Seasonality of Youth Suicide and the Academic Calendar," Benjamin Hansen and Matthew Lang point out that suicides for 14- to 18-year-olds drop abruptly during June, July and August.

"The decrease in suicides for 14- to 18-year-olds during the summer months is stark, while the 19- to 25-year-olds see a slight rise in suicide rates during the summer," the authors point out. "The fact that 15- to 18-year-old suicide rates decrease in the summer, but the 19-year-old suicide does not, suggests that the high-school calendar is playing a prominent role in youth suicide," they conclude.

Given that the summer vacation reduces the teen suicide rate from 6.22 per 100,000 to 4.71, this means that banning public school would save 1,092 lives per year. This is far more lives than can be saved by most of the usual actions advocated by the save-the-children crowd. Since we are so often told that various laws are justified if just one child's life is saved, and we also know that homeschooling is an academically superior method of education, how can anyone possibly argue in good conscience that eliminating the public schools is not an imminent moral imperative?

Banning public school will save more children's lives on an annual basis than every vaccination program put together, in fact, it would save more children's lives than seatbelt laws and child safety seats. Banning public school, or at least barring public school attendance after sixth grade, would reduce the third leading cause of youth death by 25 percent. And let's face it, it's not as if they're even learning how to read or do math there anyhow."

Anonymous Dustin Peintner May 27, 2013 11:55 AM  

Glenn Beck just came out with his book "Control" about guns. How bout you come out with a short handy guide about homeschooling vs. gov't screwling facts?

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